and continue as normal
#endgame-lounge
quick verge
ornate blade
grizzled seal
dense grail
can someone tell me where should i be spending my poetics on?
glossy musk
Other jobs, cosmetic shit, relic, getting ready for BLU, craft mats, etc
whatever you need
rustic lichen
Oh yeah getting tomestone stuff for BLU Isn't a terrible idea
quick verge
they're gonna use caster gear rite
quaint flower
But didn't they said you won't get wep progression?
quick verge
okay but you got armor n accs rite
normal sable
If you're min maxing level 50 gear
tomestone shit is bad
you get more out of melded stuff
because of how strong melds are at that level
full wave
No one is gonna min max Blue Mage to that degree
Just get poetics or farm Coil
You can solo T13 for the chest piece.
thorn bear
thorn bear
Peoplele minmax all sorts of random shit
quaint flower
Lord of Verminion speedruns when
lyric summit
ok but why would you
normal sable
fringe granite
Get ironworks caster armor and be done
thorn bear
why do anything
why min max savage raids when you can just get your clear and go play other games
zinc vortex
yeah
quick verge
i agree
grizzled seal
fflogs 
zinc vortex
raiding is for the mentally weak anyway
quick verge
ya i agree that ur mentally weak
quick verge
tryharding all day 
quaint flower
how many of these parsers are padded
quick verge
mmmmm
2
the top one and the oct 28
frey won't delete the top one so it's my mission to get a pb higher than it
quaint flower
why would you want to delete top one
quaint flower
i thought you like padding
normal sable
the real end game
is parsing grey
and clearing
the greys were smarter all along
quick verge
ikr
quaint flower
the real end game is clearing the content with all 8 players being grey
can you do that?
high ether
it's mathematically impossible
quaint flower
im gonna check that
yup
the worst run uploaded
rank 2552
vice worst was closer though
quick verge
uhhhh
being all grey and getting a clear is possible
depending on how grey you are
quaint flower
wait
quick verge
grey in final omega for smn is like
quaint flower
if they will balance their dps
quick verge
7k
quaint flower
everybody to be 14th
maximum grey
maybe it is doable
see
this is a true challenge
oh
24*
normal sable
You could probably clear with all mid 20's
quick verge
oh...
lyric summit
it's grey on week 15 but it's like low blues if you look at week1 parses
lyric summit
idk i just compared to my week1 
like 6.4k was 68th
on smn
there was a graph for it somewhere i'm pretty sure
boreal edge
not low
lyric summit
yeah but the smn in that all grey parse was like 6.3
boreal edge
doesnt change still
lyric summit
ye
shit percentiles now were ok percentiles when tier came out
because of gear
so shit people in current gear will get grey and it's enough to clear, cause they're doing same dps as good people with no gear when tier came out
wet stag
Ur washed up
lyric summit
at least you have one
my 96 on chaos and 96 on midgar turned into 91 and 94 after overnight recount
stable basin
My first chaos orange is almost down to current blue
zinc vortex
im washed up ye
stopped gearing up after week 4, stopped raiding after 11 clear
now im just
waiting for my solo content job
stable basin
Actually aren't we close to the point where percentile thresholds actually start getting lower or is that usually on tier unlock
zinc vortex
uh idk
i mean its not like it matters a whole lot its like
week 288 and im still using the same weapon i had on day 1
boreal edge
@stable basin raid unlock allow for many new faces to come to raid
so possible
since raiders wont be limited
to help and get nothing in return
and actually get benefits too
@lyric summit is that supposed to be joke?
boreal edge
ah kk
lyric summit
yeah like every odd patch people would go play legion
at least the people who are responsible for high parses
lyric summit
when PF ruins your galaxy brain plan
3/8 dead, 0 mp on rdm, i'll walk into tank buster and say healer lb3
but then healer lb3s the second i die
never knew PF knows how to use healer lb without someone saying it in party chat
hoary geyser
Every time I'm in PF now all the ranged DPS will use LB3 the moment it pops (if it's not a duty that would require healer LB3 or something later on) even if there's a physical DPS right there that could do more damage with it
So everyone's on top of LB3 nowadays even when they probably shouldn't be
glossy musk
I haven’t seen a pug use LB3 in ages
hoary geyser
Because they're always MNK by the time they get to content that even has LB3
I almost always try to be the one to use LB3 as MNK since physical DPS LB3 is almost always better than ranged DPS LB3
hoary geyser
I always end up in parties where the ranged DPS use LB3 the second it pops, just before I can get to it, and everyone in chat is like "wtf we have physical dps why did blm use it"
hoary geyser
Oh, so roulette parties
glossy musk
Yeah, your random window licker
hoary geyser
I hate roulette parties, especially on endgame duties
There was this one
I had an anti-stack marker, someone else had an anti-stack marker at the same time. So they tried to stack on me.
Then again, I had a stack marker and they had a stack marker. The rule on those is "don't stack 2 stack markers" but they tried to stack on me every time.
hoary geyser
I was like "wtf this is why we died you stacked" and they were like "but you gotta stack" and I'm like "NOT ON ANOTHER STACK PLEASE" and they're like "okay" then they did it again.
torn kindle
I do not enjoy that.
hoary geyser
Wait what
torn kindle
the image
torn kindle
🤢
hoary geyser
What the fuck
torn kindle
"this is what they mean by switching between fire/ice right"
hoary geyser
That's even worse than the one guy I was partied with on the guildhest where you gotta kill all the enemies simultaneously. We kept telling him "you gotta kill em all at the same time" and he kept saying "ok" but he kept trying to kill em off one at a time. We literally ended the duty with seconds to spare, that's how long we were in that shit for.
And it was only because the guy died and no one bothered to rez him so we could get it done.
torn kindle
F
hoary geyser
He was like "rez pls" and we all just pretended not to notice
And that was my first experience with that guildhest. lol
torn kindle
Find it funny how guildhests are supposed to train you for mechanics but i'm 90% that mechanic specifically never got used again
in the context of the enemy coming back to life
hoary geyser
Well good thing because that guy definitely didn't get it
All but one of the other guildhests are basically "beat up the enemy" though and you can ignore mechanics so I have no fuckin' clue what they're teaching
dull radish
oh fun fact about that image with BLM casts up there
he actually came for some help in the balance
and we got him to the point where he cleared the O9S dummy now
quick verge
dull radish
and the day before yeah
lyric summit
bad people looking to improve? in this game? 
inland ore
Honestly the first time I saw the video I thought they were trolling, because they had triggers and xenos was in the party.
Glad they were trying to improve though.
dull radish
yeah they were just very new and unaware
hoary geyser
Question
Is it really funny when someone in Eureka is complaining no one will add them to a challenge log group when they're only level 2
Because I think it is
lyric summit
i mean
they should probably be aware that challenge log mobs need to be close to your level
so maybe they're complaining about there being no low level people doing challenge log
hoary geyser
This is second funniest to the level 6 guy who was trying to find a party doing sprites for challenge log.
Like are there even sprites that low
lyric summit
ye there's like lvl 2 sprites
hoary geyser
There was also a guy in my party constantly asking why he couldn't use his mounts. He was level 18.
He's like "I'm 18 everyone said I could do it at 17"
...which also makes me assume he had no magicite lol
He had no idea where to go because he coudn't remember which Krile quest he was on and the location of the last quest apparently had nothing for him to do
But yeah Eureka's annoying right now
I can finally move on to pagos though so
glossy musk
Not shitting on the BLM guy but how the FUCK do you get to 70 and not know your basic rotation
Like this game needs to fix that
vital cypress
i'm at level 70 and I have no idea how to do anything
glossy musk
If people can get to max and still have zero idea of how to do their basic job there isn’t enough of a difficulty curve leveling (we knew that)
normal sable
i didn't know how to play samurai until I was like
70 for almost 2 weeks
if I never found the balance discord i doubt i'd know how to play it properly even today
you can clear savage content in this game playing suboptimally
glossy musk
vital cypress
we live in a raid tier
lyric summit
creator best tier
boreal edge
@glossy musk what about binding coil raider
analog warren
Why is Zurvan considered ancient?
boreal edge
what im called?
lyric summit
cause it's heavensward
high ether
these noobs don't remember skip soar or disband
analog warren
Let's go a step further.
vital cypress
it's a meme
analog warren
These noobs don't remember the Raven.
lyric summit
thx Behind The Meme
vital cypress
you are welcome
lyric summit
you're bad
lyric summit
hw2 is the only mechanic in o12s
lyric summit
steal momo's spreadsheet he posted a o11s healing analysis like today
vital cypress
my last 4 savage clears are orange, purple, orange, orange
for healing
i don't think that'll work
quick verge
show me those logs
vital cypress
(i also Ruin II too much)
i should use miasma ii to weave more but I'm really nervous about blowing through all my MP on it
zinc vortex
oh wait i think we had this conversation before
have you told your ast to start existing yet
vital cypress
different person
zinc vortex
hm
vital cypress
yeah people were missing 
quick verge
to give you an idea
your pld uses veil more times than the ast uses aspected benefic
quick verge
there's like
several places your ast can use asp benefic
after first tank buster where tank is eating autos for a bit
and u can extend it
lyric summit
my ucob ast gets hate cause he keeps extending regens and therefore also cards on MT
gib me instead
vital cypress
i'm sure i'm undercutting a lot of regens too
fickle tiger
how dare you
golden yacht
I'm lvl 7 in Eureka, how do I start the relic quests?
lyric summit
farm crystals, trade antiquated weapon and crystals to getolt, buy pazuzu feathers from expedition birdwatcher and trade them with more crystals for the anemos weapon
golden yacht
how do I get that first wep?
lyric summit
or if you got rid of it then just buy from a calamity salvager for like 50 gil
golden yacht
ah ty
vital cypress
that's magical damage I assume
dull radish
it is magic damage yeah
quick verge
ya
normal sable
wait till you see ion efflux
vital cypress
oh, like i'm ever getting past O11S
quick verge
i mean you've seen to panto 2, right?
it's just making it past that shitfest then you're done
quick verge
just need minimal deaths if dps is poop
vital cypress
We have a sub healer tonight who's overhealing if anything
quick verge
it's better than being afk
thorn bear
ion efflux is some 
quick verge
everyone surviving with like 3 hp is what keeps me up at night
full wave
If the sub is overhealing doesn't that give your regular healer permission to Chad them?
quick verge
no because u still need shields
gonna dick ur party if u eat the updated flamethrower + ballistic impact + dot raw
unless ur holding indom
and in that case why not just deploy and shake...
lyric summit
if someone dies blame it on addle, reprisal, feint, shake and veil not being up
not a healing issue
ez win
quick verge
veil should be down
you either use it to mitigate the panto 1 laz0rs or for the long needle
u can prob get like a 12% or 16% shake for fuegothrower
quick verge
i miss every melee being able to kill themselves with b4b
full wave
!action Blood for Blood
storm frostBOT
full wave
I swear it use to increase damage taken by 20%
quick verge
drgs can still kill themselves with b4b in henglo world
have short stack and pop b4b
hoo boy
full wave
Perfect for 2.x DRG that had less MDEF than level 50 crafters
lyric summit
i remember my drg dying to b4b on the 2nd wave of a12s adds
quick verge
the ones that cast almost holy?
lyric summit
ye
quick verge
sounds great
when you inevitably lose your will to live
tell us about your experience
vital cypress
I'll go from post-ironic posadist gf to unironic posadist gf
bring nuclear annihilation on
lyric summit
ultimate annihilation?
healer
opal hollow
anyone know what causes all shared macros to be deleted?
friend played on my computer on a different account and now all my shared macros are gone
happened twice now after the same thing
and is there a way to restore them LOL
lyric summit
it's stored locally so the game probably makes a new file when you log in on a different account or something
you can back it up on the server iirc, macros, hud, keybinds etc. in the character menu or just manually make a backup copy from your ffxiv install directory
trim finch
Can you hit 800 GP w/ 711 base?
quaint flower
max gp food is Gameni (42 gp)
vital cypress
800 GP requires some fairly heavy +GP melds and food
(and, by extension, at least some crafted gear bits)
trim finch
yeah I guess
I was hoping i could get it but guess not 😦
maybe I can make a few gear pieces with melded GP just to push it over
for when I do certain activitis if anything
fathom matrix
whats gives more exp dungeon, doma or abania?
lyric summit
abania, it's a higher level dungeon so it'll give more exp
normal sable
Yea but 800 isn't even close to bis
You gotta give up a lot for 800 gp
Ends up being really bad
glossy musk
check out teamcraft if you want crafting
glossy musk
charred sage
tyvm
fathom matrix
Does anyone know how I can farm up to get ilevel 300 so i can do drowned city of skalla?
pastel cobalt
If you have Mendacity Tomestones, go to Rhalgr's Reach and buy a few pieces of ilvl 360 armor. You could also drop some gil on an ilvl 380 crafted piece if you feel like it, and it has good stats for you (maybe the weapon, since they can't be bought with just tomestones)
fathom matrix
what about gensis tomestones?
pastel cobalt
Genesis would be even better, but they are hard to gather until you have at least a few of the level 70 dungeons unlocked
They get you ilvl 390 stuff
fathom matrix
gotcha, ty.
fringe granite
Idk whether that's good or bad
lyric summit
bad
dull radish
95 is orange
94 is woefully just below that metric
(the number is a percentile, based on other uploaded parses for that fight, compared against folks with the same job)
lyric summit
oh it's 84 historical anyways nice meme
quick verge
which fight
lyric summit
m/f
quick verge
tragic
lyric summit
one of them died early i got both akh morns on 2 targets in the end it was sexy
quick verge
akh loaded on their faces
spice willow
hey guys, new to level seventy endgame. Just would like to know if it's possible to dye the omega gear?
dull radish
the versions from savage can be dyed, the ones from normal mode cannot
spice willow
kk thx
grizzled seal
what ilvl is required for o9n?
dull radish
i355, apparently
grizzled seal
alright thanks, 5 more ilvls
open flower
Our RDM is having trouble doing damage during Panto 2, can't cast anything at all according to him.
Shouldn't he just be using the melee combo regardless of his B/W mana?
normal sable
^
boreal edge
move while duelcast up
normal sable
I can get a full midare off during panto 2 aoes
dull radish
Kinda, but it assumes alignment works out for it. You can however just not move with the entire party, and have to move much less
open flower
I'm guessing he's not slide-casting then.
dull radish
mmm you have a bit more movement than just slidecasting since casts are shorter than GCD and you have dualcast, but lemme grab a link
open flower
So he can just trail behind us and narrowly dodge the AoE? The placement of the AoE really doesn't matter as long as someone doesn't run ahead.
open flower
I'll see if I can beat it into him.
dull radish
ignore the bad ley lines and the fact that it's a BLM https://clips.twitch.tv/RockyAnnoyingTrayM4xHeh
of course there's a consideration if you have BRD baiting instead of PLD that you can't stand quite so still like this
but you can still be separate from the group and move around (either on the other side or a bit further out) without having to worry about being clipped by party AoE or baited AoE around the edge
but any which way, there's far better options than just giving up and doing unenchanted melee combo. Of course, unenchanted melee combo is better than nothing, but still
open flower
yh, I'll see if I can whip him into hard casting around the boss until he perfects it.
flat roost
Are these still legit for Scholar?
except the GCD ones.
but anything related to oGCD?
quick verge
ill just post the macros i use for sch
/merror off /ac Excogitation <mo> /micon Excogitation
/merror off /ac Lustrate <mo> /micon Lustrate
/merror off /ac "Shadow Flare" <t> /ac "Shadow Flare" <t> /ac "Shadow Flare" <t> /ac "Shadow Flare" <t> /ac "Shadow Flare" <t> /micon "Shadow Flare"
/merror off /pac Embrace <mo> /micon "Embrace" pet
/ac "Deployment Tactics" <mo> /micon "Deployment Tactics"
/merror off /ac "Resurrection" <mo> /micon "Resurrection
/merror off /ac Aetherpact <mo> /micon Aetherpact
flat roost
wat
whys shadowflare in there so many times? 😔
wait whyd you have Embrace hotkeyd? 🤔
topaz wolf
macros dont queue
putting it in multiple times helps create a pseudo-queue which eliminates part of the "doesnt queue" problem
flat roost
Oh?
topaz wolf
yes, i do the same with aetherial manipulation on black mage.
quick verge
embrace macro so i can embrace a specific target
so they don't embrace somebody else when needed
or to proc
divine veil
and they're mouseover macros
flat roost
I assume mo means mouseover?
I wont use that since I'm going to use a controller
please no judging
quick verge
gl w that
flat roost
thank
steep iris
excog, lustrate, deploy, rez, fey union macros 
cunning spoke
u always want embrace for <mo>
can't begin to cover how useful that is while dps'ing lol
steep iris
literally every sch i've had
doesn't know manual embrace exists
and divine veil just goes to waste
cunning spoke
I'm saying in the sense of those fresh to it but realizing this is endgame discussion so yes bad
lol
quick verge
i do sic selene kappa
flat roost
divine veil?
cunning spoke
reminds me during o4s we had a sch that kept using shadow flare vs sacred soil ( during progression ) for almagest
and kept SWEARING it WAS sacred soil
dull radish
Divine Veil is PLD ability that gives a party shield when they receive healing (by spell, not ability), fairy is notably nice for triggering this without costing a healer a GCD
Eye for an Eye is a healer cross role ability that you can use on a party member. When hit with a physical ability there's a chance it procs and debuffs the attacker, making them deal reduced damage for a short time
dull radish
Yeah. It's a bit unfortunate since you can't guarantee for it to proc, but when it does it can be kinda nice
cunning spoke
oh my bad thought u were piggy backing my troll joke
dull radish
Plus it's pretty free to use so why not
cunning spoke
the TP/MP merge is gonna be interesting for jobs like paladin
dull radish
Potentially, depends on how more precisely it is carried out
rancid hinge
The what
stable basin
They'll probably just remove single target tp costs and keep it for aoe
rancid hinge
There’s a merge coming?
dull radish
They're removing TP, what exactly that means is yet to be fully defined
flat roost
Do I even need Selene? 
flat roost
energy drain is pretty useless at endgame right?
quick verge
no
you dump aetherflow stacks on energy drain if you're not going to use said aetherflow stacks
or in the opener
it's free mp
and damage
at 68 you get a trait which reduces your aetherflow cd by 5 seconds each time you use an aetherflow action
e drain, excog etc
so you get 45 seconds to use 3 aetherflow
cunning spoke
mmm situational but u can activate fey illumination
- largese
for 30% healing buff
cast succort -> swift cast -> ET -> succor
just remember shields don't immediately register
takes a server tick+
that's mainly if indom is down though
if you ever wanna see something beautiful do an 8 man with 7 scholars and 1 tank and set the fairies to follow the tank
flat roost
kek
how do you do that?
Also if I use manually target embrace, will Eos spam it on my target?
Or will I need to tell her to do it again?
cunning spoke
she'll still auto heal if below a threshold
but u'll be manually using her majority of the time anyways
flat roost
Wait what
oh god no, I dont want to double tap my trigger button every 3 seconds
😔
do I need embrace on an easily spamable button?
flat roost
do I actually need to spam it like a ogcd with no cooldown?
cunning spoke
thats for tank 1 / 2 but others have theirs way diff
flat roost
aka every 3 seconds
cunning spoke
if u like OH sure
if the tank takes dmg then u can heal using the fairy while continuing to broil/dot
flat roost
Im still not sure
will she focus fire heal the tank only by a single click for a while?
Or is it only 1 heal per manual click?
cunning spoke
1 heal each time
she should almost always be doing something
its all how u setup ur hotkeys
flat roost
am I expect to hammer my embrace button?
cunning spoke
I don't even notice it
flat roost
To have it manually on a tank constantly if I'm DPSing
wet stag
????
U don't need to spam embrace
She casts it automatically
By manually using her Luna means her abilities
cunning spoke
yeah I mentioned the auto part
cunning spoke
yes
flat roost
When I manually command her to embrace a tank. will she keep focus with embrace?
If I dont press it again
cunning spoke
she'll auto heal the lowest hp iirc
unless they changed something
which is another reason to keep her on obey
because u'll have skills to heal vs spells
flat roost
Hmmm.
cunning spoke
that way she can stay focused on one vs start targetting the lowest HP dps
high ether
eureka really brings out the worst in people
flat roost
asdfg
I did a dungeon as SCH.
I'm not sure when I'd actually want to cast Embrace on Eos.
Maybe I'll make one macro button with Physick and Embrace binded onto it and slap it somewhere
wet stag
Tbh
The only time u wanna embrace someone
Is if everyone just took raidwide damage and there's a tank buster coming up soon
I think
Don't worry about it tbh
Lmao
valid gate
eos will obsessively embrace people below a specific % hp margin no matter how hard you micro her
she does that on obey too
steep iris
@flat roost n o
eos does that automatically
absolutely
do not macro embrace to physick
even on obey eos embraces automatically
the only time you use manual embrace is when the AI is too dumb to do what you want to do
such as popping divine veil, or healing a tank after a raidwide
vital cypress
Here's a SCH question
In serious endgame content, is there ever a reason to touch Physick?
quick verge
if you're progging something
then it'll have its uses
sometimes
but
physick is really shit
it'd be best to let your other healer use a useful tool
vital cypress
I mean, I'm an aggressively mediocre raid scholar and I don't think I've touched it in savage
quick verge
or just use lustrate/excog + aetherpact/embrace spam
vital cypress
But, as noted, mediocre
spring dock
use it if you need to
lyric summit
mind
it used to scale off of int before stormblood technically, but cleric stance used to switch your int with your mind, so it technically scaled off mind anyways
flat roost
Ah. Thank you
indigo fog
ELI5, what is the point of trying to use uptime strats in weekly 2 chest pugs
hybrid rapids
What’s EL 15
indigo fog
explain like i'm 5
hybrid rapids
Because people want good median
I have saw recruitment on PuG with meta job too
On weekly
Also some players only do weekly
So they tried to optimize on weekly
Some is do only uptime strat
indigo fog
am i crazy/stupid if i just think it is so unneccessary?
hybrid rapids
Depends
For people who just want weekly
You can ignore it and join another party
lyric summit
or it's like 6/8 static that pugs 2 people
indigo fog
well, my 6/8 static is wanting to do line strat in 9s
yes
my thinking is, sure lets do line strat when we fill
indigo fog
but since we pug 2 people, i'd rather not waste time on potential wipes by trying to squeeze in 2 more gcds
lyric summit
if the majority is already used to a strat and don't know the other ones
stable basin
Line strat is easier to do anyway
lyric summit
why would 6 people adjust to PF strats instead of 2 people adjusting to a better strat
plus it's line strat its not that hard lmao
indigo fog
the problem is it creates greater potential for those two people to mess up on one of the parts of chaos that uses waymarks for the other strats
i want to 1 shot chaos each week
indigo fog
it takes longer to teach a new strat to new people, and there's a risk that they'll mess up blaze/eq cause they don't know where they're supposed to be
sure, but some wipes are easier to avoid than others
hybrid rapids
You can still one shot...
If good dps
My 9s had 8 deaths
And 3 deaths during crystal
lyric summit
honestly I think cardinal orb is easier to fuck up than line strat
everyone just stands on their marker
you win
stable basin
^
indigo fog
yes, but pugs might forget where they're supposed to stand during blaze without the marker there
lyric summit
i doubt it but ok
hybrid rapids
Well, if you stated there line strat
You should expect players who know line strat joined
stable basin
I get a lot of ppl who want to learn it
indigo fog
sure, but that's extra time spent pugging a new fill
hybrid rapids
2 slots isn’t gonna take long
indigo fog
lol
indigo fog
it has unfortunately
hybrid rapids
Just be patience and watch some anime
stable basin
if you're that concerned give them a 1 and 2 or something
hybrid rapids
How long waited?
hybrid rapids
lyric summit
lul
hybrid rapids
1 hour here....
indigo fog
i guess to me, the benefit is incredibly minimal, and there is SOME risk, even if it's small.
if line strat led to skipping mechs or something, i'd probably feel different
hybrid rapids
Try to convince your leader then if you think so
indigo fog
ha i got the classic "i didn't ask for opinions"
hybrid rapids
Play with others then...
It can’t be helped if he insist
It isn’t that bad...only one simple strat change
Unless o12s uptime unreal
indigo fog
it doesn't improve much either imo, but i see what you're saying
no group is in any danger of failing the orb dps check, so those extra gcds don't do much imo
lyric summit
you have really high expectations for your static if you're demanding o9s oneshots every week, and really low expectations of pugs if you think they don't know where to stand for blaze without markers
hybrid rapids
You can also recruit earlier for players who actually know line strat
indigo fog
i'm not demanding oneshots, i just don't see a reason to add potential complexity when what we're doing currently works just fine
hybrid rapids
PUG here like to recruit 9s to 12s
One shot 9s is pretty simple as said
With many deaths
indigo fog
but yes, i do have low expectations of pugs lol
lyric summit
there's a difference between ex trial pugs who are mostly monkeys and savage pugs who usually have an idea of what they're doing
hybrid rapids
Nvm, I can see the problem now...the group just blindly follows meta but is grey ~ blue performance
And not even cleared 12s yet..
hybrid rapids
I was just curious
indigo fog
to me that's one main area of why i'd rather not worry about it
lyric summit
as an even bigger fflogs stalker, you don't even have a single o9s kill with line strat so what the fuck are you complaining about
indigo fog
let's focus on clearing the tier before we try and optimize earlier fights
lyric summit
you have cardinal orb in all of your kills
hybrid rapids
Big stalker...
lyric summit
big replay fan
indigo fog
i'm not sure why you got so hostile
stable basin
Advanced stalking
lyric summit
i'm not hostile i'm just curious lol
indigo fog
ah
most of my kills were pugs, and they took too many runs. i only joined a static last week
if pugs are failing blaze even with markers
as some of them have
i have good reason not to trust that pugs will do blaze without markers
yes it isn't hard to know where to position
but that doesn't mean people won't mess it up
since we're clearing chaos without line strat, with not even extremely high parses, clearly line strat is NOT neccessary
indigo fog
i guess i only see it as "improvement in name only"
stable basin
I think not spending effort trying new things when the basics still need attention is a strong argument
At the same time, it works to have a tank sit in the corner and invuln during panto 2 and boy am I glad we don't do that any more
indigo fog
yeah, we're progging 11s, and i've told them i'm perfectly willing and interested in learning/doing the Bard uptime strats, such as grabbing the first two tethers, and baiting the big aoe
but in my mind, since I'm the one taking on that risk basically alone
i don't mind doing those strats
i don't have to rely on anyone else, especially pugs, to do those correctly
line strat requires everyone in the group have blaze down without needing any help from waymarks, which is easy to do when you have a full static and you go to the same places every single time
lyric summit
you don't need a static to remember if you're going north or south
and if someone does then they shouldn't be doing savage in the first place
you pugged for weeks so you know it's doable
indigo fog
i hear what you're saying, but i can't control who comes in as a pug
stable basin
people usually mess up on whoops I need to be in/out rn rather than losing their bearing in blaze
lyric summit
yes you do, if someone doesn't know what they're doing then you kick them
indigo fog
but see, to me that's LESS efficient
if that person would have been fine with a waymark and gotten a clear, and trying a different strategy cost the run
that's less efficient that just doing the safe strat that everyone knows cold by now
you waste time kicking someone and repugging
lyric summit
yeah but that's how pugging works
you get people, you kick them, you get more people
if you don't have a full group you just have to deal with it
or recruit beforehand instead of "ok it's raid time, time to only set up a pf now"
you are an average pug, you fucked up blaze yourself, even with a marker, even if it's a mistake then it's a one time mistake cause people don't forget after 5 seconds like goldfish
or just move the markers mid fight
indigo fog
feel free to insult me, that's fine. i feel i've done decently well having only started playing the game at all in June, and only started savage about 6 weeks ago
lyric summit
dude i'm not insulting you
you're insulting like half of this game's players by thinking they don't know where to stand without a marker
indigo fog
i don't think they can't, i do think having the marker makes it less likely that anyone will make a mistake
not sure how that's controversial
especially when it comes to line strat, cause its impact is so minimal
stable basin
I think you're overestimating the risk
lyric summit
and the importance of waymarks
i can assure you than 90% of people check where to go by looking at the boss and not the actual letter floating somewhere around it
indigo fog
perhaps i am. in anycase, it seems it's already decided my group is doing it next week
stable basin
Tiny bit more brain load on blaze but also less brain load on orb
indigo fog
i guess my personal goal with raiding is clearing, not parsing
so i'm happy to do strats that increase my groups chances of clearing, but i don't care at all about strats that increase my groups parse
lyric summit
does your group know that
indigo fog
hmm. i suppose i haven't spelled it out in so many words, however the ad i responded to when i joined stated it was a "casual/MC" static
to be clear, i'm happy to work on personal improvements, that naturally lead to a higher parse, such as focusing on snapshotting dots at the right times etc
stable basin
A lot of casual/mc do spend a lot of effort trying to optimize earlier fights because that's sexier than "learn how to press your buttons better"
indigo fog
yeah i'd rather focus on improving my button pressing i guess
boreal edge
@indigo fog we are casual and we still parse blue -> orange
and yes we killed o9s safely 1st
then we optimized some parts next week
like the cyclone close to chaos + umbra smash uptime and such
O10S we did the same
idk if O11S has any additional optimizations over what we did now except
sending brd to do blaster and panto 2
we didnt optimize M/F yet cause we dont wanna waste time wiping on it rather than progging in final
quick verge
strats that increase uptime also usually increase your chances of clearing
because it they don't trivialize mechanics
then it increases raid dps
or saves utility for needed parts
which decreases chances of fucking up
quick verge
read my sentence again idiot
quick verge
it doesn't have to be an unreal uptime ++ to receive a gain
about forsaken 2
there was a minor strat change that you could do
to the pug standard*
just stack both tanks
dry jackal
which eu server is the most recommended or populated to play?
open flower
Cerberus, Ragnarok and Odin are the most popular servers.
halcyon coyote
Is the "line strat" in o9s where tanks and heals stand in front of the dps?
dull radish
no, the strat you're describing is dps out, line strat is a bit more nuanced and involves melees hitting each other with blaze, caster hitting tanks/healers through orb towards the melee as well as ranged dps, and ranged dps hitting the caster. Dps minus ranged using knockback prevention. Lemme see if I can find a diagram, gimme a min
oh here's a good clip for it https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousCorrectMelonFUNgineer
there's some slight variation for what exactly happens with caster/ranged side of things but it's pretty much this
in this case it's the bard knocking the tanks/healers and the caster just at further range
halcyon coyote
Thanks. Is this the pref pug strat in NA?
dull radish
there seems to be a bit of a shift towards it which is nice, because not only is it more uptime, but it's actually pretty safe
but sometimes you'll also still see dps out, or even the dreaded dps in
halcyon coyote
Gotcha. Thanks for the help.
quick verge
It's quite amazing how rdm/smn have a different bis than blm
opal hollow
Helps blm got infinite mana so sps isn't an issue
dull radish
BLM guide is cozy <3
opal hollow
Just cast as many fire4 as possible
dull radish
in some ways yeah you could make that connection
subtle kiln
So I've been curious, cause I haven't entered O12S yet, those who have, would you say it's easier or harder than O8S? (Kefka/God Kefka)
lyric summit
harder
or at least HW2 is harder than any mechanic in o8s
the filler mechanics inbetween are about as difficult
last galleon
Personally as DPS the ‘main’ mechanic is harder than o8s counterpart but the fillers are easier
Door is definitely much harder in o12s
lyric summit
i think kefka was the easiest door this expansion anyways
last galleon
probably a fair assessment
dull radish
mmm I feel like exdeath was easier, but more annoying
pastel cobalt
Does the last boss of each raid tier always have a transformation like the 3 in Omega?
last galleon
also white hole memes missing like 5HP
lyric summit
only a8s had a final form
savage exclusive
but it was still part of the fight, not a second boss
the extra boss, faust, was a dps check before the first boss of the tier and it lasted like a minute or two max
with almost zero mechanics
dull radish
yeah, in HW the "gatekeeper" was before the first proper boss for each tier, mostly just a dps check with some minor but simple mechanics
in SB they just made it for the final fights
open flower
need to incorporate line strat into my static. our maintank has an awful connection and misses a dps a lot with the water aoe.
is there a guide out there that I can show them? they're a little slow.
quick verge
You have 4 markers
A is north of orb, B south of orb, C a little further south than B, and D is southeast of C
2 melee dps stand at A, tanks and healers at B, brd/mch at C, your caster at D
dull radish
the nice thing is if it's a tank that takes a bit to get used to something, all they have to do for this is stand on the marker and that's it
quick verge
make sure the tanks/healers have enough hp to not die to the blaze aoe
dull radish
since that's all that tanks/healers have to do haha
quick verge
the melee dps and caster hit arm's length/surecast when the blaze aoe has like 3-4 seconds left
or you will die
you can also do this with 1 melee/2 casters/1 range
dull radish
it's also doable with double ranged too but the setup is much more nuanced
loud grove
Is there a place to check what the ideal melds are (stat weights and whatnot)?
pastel cobalt
The Balance discord should have stat priorities and BiS builds in each class section. Just keep in mind your personal needs, like if you need more piety as a healer than what the recommended BiS gives, or Vit melds for progression, etc
dull radish
no such thing as stat weights, but if you want info, the balance discord server in the pins is a good place to go
lyric summit
in like 90% cases it's crit > dh > det
unless you're a tank with pentamelded crafted or some galaxy brain sks build for samurai or dragoon
dull radish
as a rough priority yeah pretty much
the most ideal at BiS isn't going to always adhere to that since stats are tiered and whatnot, but yeah
quick verge
tanks also follow the same on crafted accs
you meld str
then dh for pld/drk
det for war
steep iris
for healers crit>dh=det
pastel cobalt
Piety > all 
pastel cobalt
How do you live
quick verge
by using miasma 2 to weave
inland ore
Just keep using energy drain and chad your co-healer.
quick verge
im missing like 30% of my mp by the time chaos casts umbra smash
inland ore
ASTs are the ones that are weird with mp. One moment they're full and the next they're oom.
inland ore
It's weird though, because I'll mana shift my sch because their mp is lower, but then soon after the ast is asking for refresh.
quick verge
nah don't mana shift your sch
lyric summit
yeah never manashift a sch
inland ore
Well, I guess I shouldn't say "my" sch anymore since I left the static.
quick verge
hey memories you wanna trap o12s tomorrow
inland ore
I'm obligated to do o12s with my static tomorrow one last time.
inland ore
Yup. Although on monday I almost cleared in a pug.
quick verge
almost
inland ore
My new static is going to carry me next week, so...
inland ore
How early is early?
inland ore
Probably like 6 PM or something.
That said, I'm not highly motivated to clear this week, since I'm getting coffer next week anyways.
quick verge
wow but you can get a fat 49% on fflogs.com
get the coffer
and get a 51% the following week
inland ore
Oh yeah, I have to look up spyro strat and learn how to do the tether, since my new static uses it.
quick verge
oh the pug spyro strat
so after you do bulwark
you sit inside the boss to bait aoes yadda yadda
you run out, to the southeast to avoid the first orbs
and move back in after they explode
inland ore
Where does the tether go?
fossil basalt
southwest
quick verge
ya
fossil basalt
or any other corner, really
inland ore
Perpendicular to fireballs?
quick verge
it's static
fossil basalt
well, i guess northwest could cause some problems
perpendicular to the corner the main group runs to
inland ore
Okay. Ezpz
quick verge
if your static does it the same way pugs do it, the movement will be the same 100% of the time
inland ore
I prefer it if the aoes are baited at boss hitbox instead of the corner, since then I don't have to worry about moving in too early.
It ultimately makes little difference to me either way though.
quick verge
i prefer if it's inside the dragon because melee_uptime.css
inland ore
Yes, that's another advantage to it. I think the pug jp strat is to have everyone stack in the very corner.
quick verge
que
stable basin
They also pass bulwark around so tank has it with everyone immune to stealing it back and iirc run through the hitbox 3->1->2
quick verge
sounds like work
i prefer using my superior NA ping to duck and weave through giant balls of fire
and narrowly avoid a tail on fire
spring dock
What specifically?
lyric summit
just press bio miasma broil and indom you win
opal hollow
If sch dots don't line up in 5.0 I'll send an angry letter to yoship personally
quick verge
same
vital cypress
5.0 release notes: All SCH DoT effects now have the same duration (12s, same as Miasma II)
lyric summit
just make them all one dot like astro
regal burrow
i typically always do miasma 2, swiftcast, then miasma 1 as i hate the 2 second wait lol
lyric summit
lyric summit
you're a caster what do you do about the other 20 abilities that have cast times
zinc vortex
glossy musk
wait
what did I just stumble into
what in the fuck
swiftcast miasma okay weird flex
vital cypress
I hit Swiftcast to raise someone
then realize they died to falling off
and stand there for about five seconds like an idiot
that's the one correct use of swiftcast
glossy musk
Honestly I use swiftcast for DPS and if you die I'm like
¯_(ツ)_/¯
hope we didn't need ya
blazing pelican
If you die in the first 60 seconds of the fight, or later during re-openers, I'm leaving you on the floor. Someone else can clean up your corpse.
fervent smelt
will the new gear coming out tuesday be buyable with genesis tomestones?
vital cypress
uh
normal sable
No