#endgame-lounge

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unreal flax
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I love being in a job crisis lol. I can play MNK at a blue/purple level. I can play DRG at a blue/purple level. I can play NIN at a green/blue level (but I hate it). I can probably play SAM at a blue level. The problem is I don't actually know which one I want to play.

woeful island
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whats the best to spend genesis and alphascape on first? i feel like spending them on hard to get gear aka chest, legs etc first is best since its gona take some time to get them in alphascape savage

unreal flax
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Prolly just play MNK/SAM since MNK is my favorite and NIN is my least favorite lol.

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Honestly, that's what I did the last two tiers. Cleared Delta on MNK, immediately switched to DRG. Cleared Sigma and considered switching to NIN.

junior quartz
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I can land trick attack on suzaku, is that good enough? ;;

unreal flax
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pretty fuckin beefy

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Good NIN players made me think I could join their ranks.

junior quartz
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Save for 3rd round

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where everything becomes a clusterfuck

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nin is fun save for the positionals GWnanamiWhenGachaGetsAtU

unreal flax
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My biggest problem with playing NIN is that, when learning NIN back during HW, I focused too much on micromanaging aggro that I didn't make trick timing second nature. Also, fuck TCJ.

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So, I can almost make sure no one ever has extra aggro, but also, I end up delaying Trick if anything in the raid catches me off guard, like a player being somewhere they shouldn't.

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Because I reflexively use Fuma on CD when my brain goes somewhere else.

junior quartz
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it's uh, not that hard to keep on a track of trick attack GWakkoWhenlifegetsatyou

unreal flax
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it's really not.

junior quartz
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unless you're actively focusing smokes on other dps

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then it becomes kind of a hassle at times

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And TCJ isn't that bad, but it really fucks up the mudra timing yeah.

unreal flax
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I smoke people proactively. But if someone is about to fail a mechanic (myself included), and Trick isn't gonna be up for a few seconds, my shitty brain is gonna push the buttons and then my eyes are gonna look down and the rest of me is like, "OH. IT WAS TIME FOR THAT. WELL MIGHT AS WELL JUST DIE INSIDE"

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I'm legit a bad nin, but a big part of it is because I don't really enjoy playing the job.

junior quartz
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tbh I play the selfish way and only shade tanks as much because muh dps

unreal flax
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Yup.

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MNK/DRG is so fun. MNK because punching things is fun. DRG because Nastrond is fun and the flow of the GCDs is really rigid.

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I don't really have any real complaints about SAM. I just don't play it that often, but I know how to play it.

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I'm like you in that regard, actually.

stable basin
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Why is sometimes suzu birds impossible to kill at beginning?

wet stag
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Bc they're too close together

eternal mirage
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Or they get revived by the large feather aoe rather than player aoes

wet stag
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Yeah

copper portal
glad tapir
spare karma
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can someone link me to the latest overlay plugin for ACT? can't seem to find any that have been updated this year

eternal mirage
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Googled act ffxiv plugin and the first result was a plugin committed 5 days ago?

spare karma
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thats not the overlay though?

eternal mirage
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Oh right

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I dont think overlays need to be updated often though, I could be wrong

lyric summit
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yeah i'm pretty sure 0.3.4.0 is the latest version

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even if it's not recent

spare karma
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yeah im not sure. github is confusing for a casual like me. not sure which ones are old or not working anymore

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thanks

lyric summit
wet stag
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kagerou โค

eternal mirage
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Kagerou is bae

quick verge
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So looking at o12s

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Those sound effects on Omega's abilities are arousing

dull radish
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yeah I really like the sound effects from 12, and from 11 as well, especially during pantokrator

wet stag
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wow 10s is FUN

elder lark
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doing my first 'learning party' in PF... half the group leaves after 3 pulls

normal mesa
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mood

blissful solstice
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What fight @elder lark

elder lark
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Suzaku EX

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trying to learn my very first extreme fight

blissful solstice
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Nice

fringe granite
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That shouldn't be your first

elder lark
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lol nobody does actual learning/practice for anything old so...

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and I didn't even bother trying to do Tsukuyomi because of how shit I was at the normal mode

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this one I can do well on normal so I figured I could probably learn the EX

scenic patrol
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It's one of the harder EX trials

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This expansion

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Harder then Tsuku

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At the least

elder lark
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everyone seems to have a different opinion of that lol

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I've seen people say it's harder than everything but Shinryu and people saying it's almost as easy as Byakko and Lakshmi

scenic patrol
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I dunno

elder lark
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I've not found it that hard? the only big issue I've had is learning the colors (symbols for me since I can't see all the colors right) and I've managed to do it right several times now lol

scenic patrol
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Byakko didn't require anything special outside of timely Provoke out of tanks

heavy mist
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Really it was just one tank who had to. The 2nd voke u could mess up and spam aggro combo lol

wet stag
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uh

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no

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not really

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since it reset your aggro

unreal flax
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Gonna try to pug punch my way through O9S tonight.

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That's unfortunately gonna be my sole focus from 4-11pm lol.

quick verge
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you voke during the cast and after you get down

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aggro maintained

wet stag
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but only like

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one gcd after

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i voked immediately once and got grabbed again

dull radish
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@unreal flax good luck <3 I gotta try to cap on tomes for my alt for the week, then might try to sneak in an O9S clear on there as well, maybe O10S if things go surprisingly well

unreal flax
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I really like O9S, man. It's such a nice fight. It has the features of O7S that made it my favorite fight in the tier, but also it's almost 100% uptime lol

wet stag
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i mean

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if you want 7s

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10s is basically a reboot of 7s

unreal flax
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L I K E

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I really like hyper-scripted fights that don't have the most rotate their targeting ring to select random players. Give me my positionals, pls.

wet stag
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7s had that

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10s has that

vital cypress
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2 lockouts of O9S and we haven't cleared

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I quit I hate everything

wet stag
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also LARBOARD AND STARBOARD

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2 lockouts is nothing

scenic patrol
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I like O9S

wet stag
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try 13.5 hours

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101 PULLS

vital cypress
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well 3?

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about 4 hours I guess

scenic patrol
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I have only been like 3 or 4 hours in there

unreal flax
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I figured out a foolproof trick for me to Lar/Star. Check this out: Watch the first cast (or use ACT Triggers. Whatever), then rotate the camera also so that there's 0 confusion as to which side has become Lar/Star.

wet stag
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i just move if its the same

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stay if its different

unreal flax
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Whoa. Even easier.

scenic patrol
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I am just gonna use triggers like a bitch

vital cypress
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honestly the hardest part is an in-group language gap

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which can lead to confusion

wet stag
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@scenic patrol install dbm bitch

scenic patrol
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On what?

vital cypress
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but eh

scenic patrol
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I have cactbot

unreal flax
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I like triggers, tbh. I like triggers because they make it so that I don't have to listen to seven people breath into their headsets and not actually do callouts lol

scenic patrol
wet stag
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yeah same

scenic patrol
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Not updated for Savage yet though

vital cypress
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also if I'm installing triggers it's for goddamn suzaku

scenic patrol
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So need to install triggers

wet stag
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timeline is updated up to 11 i believe

unreal flax
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I have a bunch of custom triggers, some of which I made up.

vital cypress
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because that fight gives me crippling sensory overload

wet stag
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but 11 is untested

scenic patrol
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I'll download it when at home

wet stag
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tbh idk how to download individual files from githim

scenic patrol
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Doesn't the master file have the time lines?

wet stag
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wait

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im an idiot

unreal flax
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I created a few for some debuffs you get like Tailwind/Headwind or uh... Primordial Crust/Accretion. Granted, DPS should only ever get one and tanks/heals get the other, but if someone is dead and I get their shit, I wanna know about it lol

scenic patrol
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Or do I need ti download them individually?

wet stag
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lemme just send you my files

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ezpz

scenic patrol
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Don't need trigger for tailwind

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Tbh

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Or head wind

unreal flax
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Unless a tank is dead and you get their debuff instead of tailwind

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HOWEVER

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I don't actually know if that happens.

eternal mirage
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What is cactbot

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Looks very useful

vital cypress
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I don't think so

unreal flax
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Some fights give the dead person's debuff to a living person

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I don't know if this fight does that

vital cypress
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the debuffs seem to be hard-locked to roles

unreal flax
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Oh nice

vital cypress
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I can't promise though

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๐Ÿ‘€

eternal mirage
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I can has some files? ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

lemme just send you my files
ezpz

scenic patrol
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Cactbot is basically an act plugin that works like dbm

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Installing it feels like installing act for the first time

unreal flax
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I should change my callout for Primordial Crust sound to "Beyond Death" since it's practically identical

eternal mirage
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Ooh

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I've never used something like that before but it looks really useful

unreal flax
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I did the same thing with Magitek Ray in O7S lol. I had it say to say "Mega Beam" since that's functionally what the mechanic is and I'm a sucker for Alex lol

wet stag
scenic patrol
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It usually reads a timeline and based on that does call outs

eternal mirage
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tyty

eternal mirage
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Wow default cactbot is really in your face huh

unreal flax
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It can be, yeah. I have mine tucked off to the side above my Focus Target element.

eternal mirage
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I'm gonna keep it in my face then adjust if its too annoying haha

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Is there any real way to test it?

unreal flax
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Go to that farm aetheryte in Middle La Noscea and find one of the dummies.

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/bow at it and it'll start a test

vital cypress
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Actually, now that I think about it, I'm guessing stormshade could be used to turn effects/color saturation down as well as up thinkernetExplorer

unreal flax
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Summerford Farm is the teleport

eternal mirage
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Ahh

unreal flax
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to end the test early, just hit /farewell

eternal mirage
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And here I thought summerford farms was something specific to the devs server hahah

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Oh god these sound effects are horrible

unreal flax
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Yeah

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They really are

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They're basically just there to get you to look at the screen instead of your hotbars lol

eternal mirage
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That's fair

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I'm trying to find out how to enable TTS so it reads out casts

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Think that's a manual thing

scenic patrol
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I don't use the job thingies

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Only raid thingie, oppsie daisy and that's it

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I think

eternal mirage
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oopsy raidsy looks interesting but I think I'll stick with raidboss for now

scenic patrol
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I put oopsy daisy on my other monitor

paper solstice
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How to get "seeing" horde weapon? I like the glow

lyric summit
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it's a craft

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and requires the rare scale drop from nidhogg ex

paper solstice
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Is the weapon sellable or can only be crafted?

fossil basalt
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sellable

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but it's gonna be expensive for a while, since it's new and the mats are rare

scenic patrol
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Market Board

elder lark
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now I'm being forced to learn Suzaku as RDM since someone joined this party after me as BRD and demanded I switch jobs ;-;

stable basin
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Don't negotiate with terrorists

scenic patrol
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It's an ex trial

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Why the fuck do you need LB for?

stable basin
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So the healers can turn it into a 14 death clear

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Then everyone can go infest [duty complete] parties with their 100% solid fight knowledge

unreal flax
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Never let someone tell you to change your job lol.

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I would rather that person leave than force me to play something I don't feel like playing.

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I don't care if they're trying to direct me to my main. If I'm on WAR right now and a WAR joins, welp, looks like we're both beefy boys

elder lark
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eh everyone's leaving the party anyway

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I've gotten past the meteors exactly once

paper solstice
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Ok, so I reach my cap for genesis this wk, should I save it for chest, legs slot or spend it?

fringe granite
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Save it

scenic patrol
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Depends on your BiS

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Save it for a BiS piece anyhow

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Bigger pieces first

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Like chest and pants

stable basin
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you know what'd be funny?

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if they lied about ultimate being limited to 2

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and making 4.5 the 3rd ultimate

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and it's Omega.

fringe granite
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That's what O11S is

stable basin
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no it's not

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cuz there's 3 form of Omega

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Omega, Omega M Omega F and Omega Weapon

topaz wolf
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whats with the dumb snapshotting on o10s hot tail with the balls

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i was miles out and still got hit

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ive never seen snapshotting this terrible b4 haha

stable basin
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well what do you expect

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it's middy

dull radish
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snapshotting for that actually feels pretty good, it's just easy to underestimate the widths of the explosions/tail

vital cypress
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yay

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Apparently stormshade will take negative (or less than 1) values for stuff. toot

quick verge
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stormshade?

vital cypress
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As long as I'm in here, for O9S's intermission, you just have the tanks/healers position a bit outside of their DPS partners, get knocked back, then move in a bit to tag the one DPS with dynamic fluid?

quick verge
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that's one strat yeah

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most common too

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healers/tanks can get like 1/2 gcds before turning around

vital cypress
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stormshade/reshade

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oh, do they have to be facing away from the DPS?

quick verge
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yes

vital cypress
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that would explain a lot

quick verge
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they need to have their backs facing the dps

dull radish
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it's same as the wind debuff from elsewhere

vital cypress
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I'm guessing you could get a bit more uptime by having them get knocked across instead?

quick verge
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yes

dull radish
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yeah

vital cypress
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though ๐Ÿคท

dull radish
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most strictly you'd ideally push the tanks through and the healers away haha

vital cypress
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I have to do some drawings for my group

dull radish
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we just were lazy and didn't bother cleansing wind

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since the dps check was so lax and the damage down not super strong

vital cypress
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one of our members has some language processing issues so MS Paint helps a lot

dull radish
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so avoided clipping folks with fire and then all cleansed on water

vital cypress
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or photoshop if I'm feeling fancy

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either way

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they're great but sometimes text/voice instructions don't click

quick verge
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make a super shit ms paint illustration and then post it on r/ffxiv for easy internet points

elder lark
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yeah I give up on PF

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I'm not used to NOT being the slowest person in a group

scenic patrol
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Anyone saw this?

stable basin
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no

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nor do i care

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but that explains why this healer was spamming collective unconscious the entire Burn dungeon on patch day

scenic patrol
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CU and wings are now stupidly strong

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Why wouldn't you care about it?

stable basin
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MUH DPS

scenic patrol
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You don't even need to interrupt your rotation on PLD to apply wings

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Anymore

topaz wolf
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i swear all statics i join are cursed

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bah

quick verge
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yeah wings is super broken

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i didn't realize the buff would make it this broken

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i thought it'd last for like 1 server tick

steep iris
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@topaz wolf patpat

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you'll find a blessed one eventually umaru

quick verge
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if all of your statics are cursed

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then you might be the one cursing them

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therefore

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you have to uncurse yourself

topaz wolf
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this current one

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dies to mechanics

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and refuses to meld vit

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previous one was my fault that i left

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the one before that disbanded mid-uwu

quick verge
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vit meld is for BITCHES

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need MAXIMUM deeps

steep iris
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pentameld vit

quick verge
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that's how you get blacklisted highkey

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1 vit meld is fine

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5 is ponder

steep iris
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max hp memes

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can you get to 100k hp in defiance without tob with that

quick verge
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i saw someone selling quad/pentamelded tank accs on the mb with no str melded

steep iris
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actually nah

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im dumb

quick verge
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can't meld vit on tank accs iirc

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also war can get 100k without that

steep iris
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ik

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defiance+tob

quick verge
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can we get 200k war hp in 5.0

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while other tanks have 100k

steep iris
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Maybe late expac

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people had 20k hp in creator i think?

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idk

scenic patrol
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Can't meld VIT on tank gear

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.

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Unless it's NQ

steep iris
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F

scenic patrol
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In which case

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Fuck off with that gear out of savage

quick verge
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can't you technically meld vit

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but it'd just be a waste

scenic patrol
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You can

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It will do nothing

quick verge
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tank gear with only vit melded

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can't do damage now

scenic patrol
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It's like melding INT on Warrior

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It's a fruitless endeavor

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We won't get smarter

quick verge
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the fruit is watching the person who inspects your gear have a spontaneous stroke

steep iris
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+0

normal sable
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What do you need vit melds for

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If you're anywhere above 370 vit melds aren't too useful for current savage imo

scenic patrol
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Progging past O10S

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I assume

normal sable
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Really?

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Previous bis w/ some 380 mix isn't enough?

scenic patrol
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Raid wides fucking hurts

normal sable
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Seen SAM breaking or approaching 50k

pure yoke
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I have 55k hp as dragoon

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With food and party bonus

quick verge
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nice tank stats

normal sable
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Yea I only have 2 380 pieces

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And w/ cider and party bonus I'm at like 49k now

scenic patrol
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I have 8 380 pieces

normal sable
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If I had like 2 more 380, I'd be at like 51kish

shadow pollen
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does all the monk stuff have SkS jesus

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why is BiS with a crafted earring + bracelet

scenic patrol
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Dunno

shadow pollen
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tanks are free

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but at what cost

fossil basalt
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wait, tank bis doesn't require crafted anymore?

shadow pollen
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nop

scenic patrol
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Where did you find that shit?

fossil basalt
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yeah, i'll trade monk happiness for that

scenic patrol
shadow pollen
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Balance simmed out BiS already

scenic patrol
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I am very much wearing 4 crafted accs that are BiS for me

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Warrior is either 3 or 4

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Crafted accessories

quick verge
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and pld is like 2 or 3 crafted accs

scenic patrol
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PLD is 3

quick verge
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neck and 2 ring

scenic patrol
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DRK is also 3

fossil basalt
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got the one for WAR?

scenic patrol
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4.4 Best in Slot edition - Updated 9/19/2018
These sets are simulated with the "HW Meta" composition. Due to the lack of Crit and the surplus of Skillspeed, building a Slowboye BIS is impossible. Get ready for an update when the RNG Relictm comes out.

Party comp plays heavily into WAR BIS this tier, and the highest DPS is achieved through Comfy Triple Crafted in a proper WAR Padding Grouptm (NIN, MNK, RDM, BRD, AST, SCH), making the AvgDPS reach 6112.xx.

2.38 - Comfy Triple Crafted - One Tnc meld for a tier upgrade
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17BCT

2.37 - Greed For Speed
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/176LI

2.38 - Poorboye
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/175A3

2.42 - What Is Coffer?
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17C9I
2.38 - Can't Clear - +19 dps compared to the set above.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/17D0G

BONUS - Week 1 Crafted, to be removed in Week 2
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/176UO

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I am using the 2.37 set personally

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Which is Quadra crafted

fossil basalt
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poorboye
i'm assuming this means no crafted?

quick verge
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correct

scenic patrol
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Yes

fossil basalt
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...and it does, sweet

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thanks for the link, bookmarked

quick verge
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bookmarking not porn

normal sable
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MNK is a dead class

fossil basalt
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don't tell anyone but i'm secretly a robot

normal sable
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New gear literally gimped em lmao

scenic patrol
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Bookmarking anything but Bear hand Doujins

thorn bear
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People will still never take Sam so don't worry fola

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๐Ÿ˜ข

fossil basalt
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my static has a sam

scenic patrol
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Same

quick verge
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just play mch/brd ayy lmao

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easy life

scenic patrol
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But we are trying to convert him to Ninja

quick verge
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everyone loves you

thorn bear
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Will ERP for refresh

quick verge
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ninja is overrated

scenic patrol
quick verge
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best comp is drk/pld/whm/ast/drg/mnk/rdm/blm

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don't @ me

scenic patrol
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No Slashing and refresh

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Wonderful

quick verge
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yup

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peak performance

scenic patrol
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That comp is literally impossible to clear week one with

quick verge
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that's the point

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make everyone in the party tilt a full 360 degrees

fossil basalt
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Poorboye BiS actually melds Tenacity

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this is the best timeline

scenic patrol
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probably to hit a tier

thorn bear
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WHAT

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I'm done

scenic patrol
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stats that don't hit tiers are useless stats

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after all

quick verge
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how many tenacity melds though

fossil basalt
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i think exactly one

scenic patrol
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probably a single one

quick verge
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alright then

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tenacity is obviously bis

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see you on reddit boys

fossil basalt
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but that's more than the zero for the entire expansion thus far haha

quick verge
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just go on pf

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you'll see a nonzero amount of tenacity melds

thorn bear
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Check out my i370 redmage

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Full diamond gear

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Bis

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Like 1200 sps

quick verge
steep iris
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what a god

eternal mirage
quick verge
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tell everyone to stop dying

fossil basalt
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how the fuck did that WAR hit a 25k Upheaval

eternal mirage
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Aha those 1 deaths are from the enrage death

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He's pretty damn good saitamaface

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also full i380

topaz wolf
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-sprinted to safespot
-hot tail happens ages later and still kills me

boreal edge
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@fossil basalt he did it under defiance

fossil basalt
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Defiance + Unchained + Thrill of Battle?

boreal edge
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yes

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also your whymaige need to do more dps

fossil basalt
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sorta figured it was something like that. still surprising tho

boreal edge
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700 dps is what i did in susanoo ex at i300

dull radish
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If you're getting hit by hot tail then you're inside the bosses' hitbox for some reason haha

boreal edge
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hot tail is as big as boss hitbox

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so get out of it

dull radish
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Well, not quite

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It's slightly narrower

quick verge
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respect content

vital cypress
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okay

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time to fire up PowerPoint Google Slides OpenOffice Impress Apple Pages??? I guess

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unless someone's made an O9S visual guide already in which case i'll take a nap instead

quick verge
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there's a text guide with pictures for the strats

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illustrations*

scenic patrol
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There's two text guides

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One by Balance

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And one by don't remember the name

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Kennel fox or something

quick verge
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o10's music is highkey a bop tbh

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i guess i like it more after keeper of the lake

unreal flax
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I wonder why Shinryu's theme has a motif from the Azys Lla theme.

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It's like... Azys Lla -> Shinryu P1 -> O11.

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The connection between Shinryu and Omega is obvious, but what connection does Shinryu have to Azys Lla?

eternal mirage
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Finally cleared o9s \o/

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And got the drop ablobparty

unreal flax
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Congrats! And congrats!

eternal mirage
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Ty!

unreal flax
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I'mma be in that hoe all night tonight myself. I have the utmost confidence in me that I can clear it tonight. PF may have other plans which will be wildly frustrating, but luck of the draw is the name of this game.

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You know how I give it up lol.

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Gon be on SAM, too. Best case scenario, tbh lmao

verbal trout
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what are ninja stat weights? Crit > DH > Det > SS?

unreal flax
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You can uhhh take SkS off that list entirely. This tier's BiS already gives you more SkS than you need without any melds.

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But otherwise yeah

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http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/175M2 <- this was a quick BiS idea I threw together as soon as Ariyala was updated. Whether or not every single piece and meld is how things are actually going to shake out once the simulations are run is yet to be seen (by me), but I don't think I'm super far off.

verbal trout
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a lot of stuff for nin seems to give Crit/Det, do I just meld DH on to everything?

unreal flax
#

I think I actually went Crit > Det > DH, now that I'm looking at it again

verbal trout
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yeah the gear just sorta naturally goes that way

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I assume in a perfect world, Crit/DH on everything is great for NIN

unreal flax
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Lmao yeah, it looks like almost every meld in that list is DH and anything that isn't DH is Crit.

verbal trout
#

ok, I've got the right idea then

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do you also know what SAM would be?

wet stag
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Skill speed out the ass

unreal flax
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I also chose a couple of pieces that might be interchangeable, so there's that as well.

wet stag
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Unless you also wanna play monk

verbal trout
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yeah there's a couple where tome = omega

wet stag
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Then as little sks as possible

verbal trout
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SAM onry

wet stag
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And as much crit as possible

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Ok

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Sks out the ass

scenic patrol
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This tier is a bit retarded on the SkS front

verbal trout
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does SAM have a SkS cap?

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soft cap/break point

wet stag
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GOTTA GO FAST

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GOTTA GO FAST

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GOTTA GO FASTER FASTER FASTER FASTER SONIC X

scenic patrol
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I don't think it has anything

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It doesn't have any burst phase that I know of

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Or anything to lock it into a specific GCD

unreal flax
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before this tier, 1633 was where the normal 3-Sen opener falls apart, but people have found a higher speed 3-Sen opener, so at this point, I don't think there's a hard limit to how fast you can go besides not clipping the piss out of yourself.

scenic patrol
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^Basically

verbal trout
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so SkS > Crit > DH?

unreal flax
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Pretty much, yeah.

scenic patrol
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Depends on crit values

verbal trout
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should melds aim to max crit if not already maxed?

scenic patrol
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Past around 1400 is a safe bet that Crit out scales DH

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Not too sure

unreal flax
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Yeah, I think the Balance is still running sims on stuff, so everything that I'M saying is based on my assumptions.

verbal trout
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it's not completely rocket science, and I don't think anyone is going to get turned away in any 380+ ilvl average to a normal group eh

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but in the interest of not wasting any weeks' loot or tomes for the next 4 months...

scenic patrol
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Just use Tomes on safe bets

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Things that are 90% going to be BiS

verbal trout
#

yeah, for nin I'm pretty sure chest is a good bet

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and usually a ring

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so that's a good 3 weeks to bank on

scenic patrol
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For tanks we knew that pants and chest were BiS

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Before BiS lists were out

verbal trout
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NIN tome body is Crit/DH ๐Ÿ˜„

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Omega is Crit/Det

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I'm not gonna lose sleep over that choice when I probably won't be at Alpha v3 savage for awhile

scenic patrol
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I only have 4 Tome purchases this tier

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As a tank

verbal trout
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I worked mine out to 4 too

scenic patrol
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Chest, pants, belt and bracelet

wet stag
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It feels really strange buying tome accs

scenic patrol
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Literally the only accs that is not crafted

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Same as last tier

verbal trout
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if we're not counting Omega, HQ 380 crafted gear is good stuff to invest in to get into Alpha Savage right?

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I worked it out to 4 tome/4 Alpha norm/4 hq 380 pieces for my bis not counting omega

scenic patrol
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Crafted gear is a good placeholder aye

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!whoami

storm frostBOT
frigid crest
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Have a question for BLMs, as a non-BLM

scenic patrol
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8 crafted pieces

verbal trout
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dios mio

scenic patrol
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On me

frigid crest
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does it help at all if I Mana Shift you during your fire phase

dull radish
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"yes" it "can"

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can mean an extra F4 cast

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but not always the most convenient to adjust to

scenic patrol
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Save mana shifts for healers anyhow

dull radish
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use it on the BRD~

scenic patrol
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Unless you are padding the BLM

frigid crest
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use it on the DRK with Darkside

dull radish
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had potential in O5S for padding memes

scenic patrol
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Mana shifting DRK can be legit

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But requires downtime

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To be worth

unreal flax
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Prolly not enough SkS, but man that's a fuckin ton of Crit

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Again, as Johni already showed, this is all anecdotal. Until the sims are done, this is not the BiS. This is just me fuckin around on Ariyala.

pure yoke
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my BiS is whatever I want it to be

unreal flax
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That said, I can't wait to equip this bullshit on my MNK lol

pure yoke
normal sable
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You shouldn't be spending tomes week 1 anyway

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Right side items are good for memeing ilvl

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But in the grand scheme of things is actually worse for making you do fatty deeps than leftside

verbal trout
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tome ring can't be that bad

stable basin
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uhhh

verbal trout
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so how do they sim it out?

stable basin
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tanks don't want sks

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Tanks are goin fast this tier whether they want to or not

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Theoretical DRK BiS is pointing at 2.32 GCD rn but most people seem to be going for the 2.37 setup because lol

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Buying tome accesories doesn't actually seem that bad

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saving for chest tho

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which is tomorrow

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:C

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Going off the drg crafted vs tome the gain is 7 mainstat 0 vit 5/4 substat for acc vs 16 mainstat 22 vit 12/8 substat for chest

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worth 20ilv amirite

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Main benefit for left side is extra vit

quick verge
#

so what are the pug strats for o10s

stable basin
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Pug strats I've seen so far are get hit by everything and die

full wave
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Why can't NA use macros for pf

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It would make pugging a lot easier.

fringe granite
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Bc were lazy and that's all we would do

quick verge
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if the macro exceeds my chat window length im not reading it

stable basin
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NA needs their special snowflake individual strats

scenic patrol
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NA ink strat still weirds me out

wet stag
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Chakra spots?

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Was it?

stable basin
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Yeah

quick verge
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the ascended NA strat is to tank the boss far north and have everyone do whatever the fuck for ink

scenic patrol
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it's not hard to have different spots for different mechanics

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but apparently NA are too special for that

quick verge
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i don't see what's bad about it

stable basin
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I like reusing spots

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If melee take inner circles you don't lose uptime so ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

quick verge
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it's very easy to move to chakra if you don't know what's next if you're intoxicated or sleep deprived

scenic patrol
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spinning the boss while it can be kept in place, tanks not taking south melee chakras

heavy mist
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still not as bad as JP forsaken 2

scenic patrol
heavy mist
scenic patrol
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JP Forsaken 2 is literally respect the content strat

normal mesa
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oh god

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im afraid to ask

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what's jp strat for forsaken 2

scenic patrol
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Imagine a strat made to make melees and tanks have the least uptime on F2

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it's worse

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and if i linked Arthars

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time to link the old gem

normal mesa
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omg

wet stag
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I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT CLIP YESTERDAY

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The forsaken 2 one

scenic patrol
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I searched through his clips to find it

full wave
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I learned why JP has so many more clears watching Arthars

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It has fuck all to do with being better players. They just carry so hard. It's fucking insane.

scenic patrol
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they can follow the most obscure and weird strats to the perfection

full wave
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It doesn't matter how shit someone is. They just stick it out to the end.

quick verge
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what a bunch of betas

full wave
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But in NA people are more willing to leave if people don't pull their weight

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He was doing O9S with the worst ninja in history

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Held Trick Attack for 4 minutes to use it on the crystal

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Pulled about 3.8-4k dps

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If there was a single death they wouldn't meet the dps check

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They carried that ninja to clear somehow

quick verge
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yikes

full wave
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Arthars looked back at the server the ninja was from

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5 of them were from the same server

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The ninja was getting carried by friends

scenic patrol
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I don't get why shitty players choose to play Ninja

full wave
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Literally the 2nd worst job to play badly

scenic patrol
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I am scared of playing Ninja because of how demanding the Job is

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and I am able to parse Purple as a tank consistently

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so i have some level of play

normal mesa
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ninja and my ping are not friends

full wave
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Like jfc just play a monk or something

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"But it has too many positionals!"

scenic patrol
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just forget that TK exists

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and you'll be an alright Monk

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forget that Trick Exists on Ninja and I'll come to murder ya

full wave
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HELD TRICK ATTACK FOR 4 MINUTES JUST FOR AN ADD

coarse radish
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Dont use trick attack at all, that makes everyone else's dps higher and that makes you look bad yoshigasm

scenic patrol
quick verge
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here's some galaxy brain shit

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how is this allowed

stable basin
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plunge?

steady pebble
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nice timing

dull radish
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it's not something I'd generally advise haha

scenic patrol
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yeah

dull radish
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because if the game decides you're in the wind, well

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have fun with that DoT

scenic patrol
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ticks can make you take the DoT

dull radish
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and hope your healers love you

quick verge
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ok so you can get the dot

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depending on how the server feels

dull radish
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yeah it's a movement through there

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it's a fast movement so sometimes you get lucky

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but I've went through it once and it got me

wet stag
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I did that on my clear

dull radish
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and once is enough

wet stag
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It's more likely you don't get windburn though

dull radish
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even if it's more likely, it's still a thing that can pretty easily happen

wet stag
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Yeah

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Healers adjust

scenic patrol
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it is also opposite sides chaos jump

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cardinal to intercardinal jump has less risk

lyric summit
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he always jumps to the farthest corner

quick verge
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we need a galaxy brain strat for tsunami

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for 100% uptime

vital cypress
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held

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trick attack

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for four minutes

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held trick attack for four minutes held trick attack for four minutes held trick attack for four minutes held trick attack for four minutes held trick attack for four minutes held trick attack for four minutes

quick verge
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did your brain explode

fossil basalt
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why trick attack three times and risk messing up the fourth

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when you can trick attack once exactly when you need to?

wet stag
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...

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Best part is

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It comes up during orb anyway

quick verge
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they'd probably miss trick on the orb too

wet stag
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Missing trick on the orb which has no positionals

quick verge
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yes

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that's what i implied

wet stag
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Yeah

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I know

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Galaxy brain shit

quick verge
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universe brain

fossil basalt
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Normal Brain: Use Trick on cooldown
Big Brain: Save Trick for just the right moment
Galaxy Brain: Never use Trick to encourage your party to git gud

vital cypress
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don't doxx me please

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also

wet stag
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Universe brain: use trick attack on your tank

vital cypress
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am i going crazy or was there an editor to make fancy positioning diagrams

wet stag
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There was

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But idk the link

vital cypress
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besides Paintbrush

glossy musk
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I wish trick required you in front

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That would be fun

wet stag
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Sneak attack

stable basin
#

You can plunge on tsunami too but people have reported wiping their party with the donut aoe lol

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I want to try it but my static doesn't want me to try it

wet stag
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I wanna try it tonight lol

scenic patrol
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Gonna try it when I come back to doing Chaos

coarse radish
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Still no laptop so cant play

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QQ

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Well, I can, but 5 fps lol

scenic patrol
coarse radish
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Tfw normal mode is savage

quick verge
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midgardsormr hell

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the snapshotting in that fight is pretty yikes my dude

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can't wait for exaflare prog

stable basin
#

That circle aoe after first akh morn is spotlights all over again

junior quartz
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tfw getting more enmity than sam and blm on birb ex even with shade and diversion

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i cri

quick verge
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using enmity as an indicator of anything

junior quartz
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I'd normally expect a sam to be the next on the boss's kill list because it's what usually happens on my side GWakkoWhenlifegetsatyou

quick verge
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spoiler sams and blms have diversion

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and blm has lucid

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and sam has an enmity splitting skill im p sure

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idk

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!action open eyes

storm frostBOT
#
Error!

Action not found, Kupo!

junior quartz
fossil basalt
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!action merciful eyes

storm frostBOT
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**Merciful Eyes** : lvl 58 samurai (1.0 second cooldown)

Instantly restores own HP.
<span style="color:#cc22ff;">Cure Potency:</span> 200
Cure potency varies with current attack power.
<span style="color:#cc22ff;">Additional Effect:</span> Reduces enmity by 20%
Can only be executed while under the effect of <span style="color:#ffff66;">Open Eyes</span>.
Shares a recast timer with <span style="color:#ff7b1a;">Hissatsu: Seigan</span>.

junior quartz
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I thought shade + diversion would do more than enough tbh

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haven't actively tested it though so eh

wet stag
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Wait

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You are the nin?

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Why the heck are you using shade and diversion?

vapid tangle
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It's bad to use merciful eyes tho

wet stag
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Use diversion after shade

vapid tangle
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It's a big DPS waste.

wet stag
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Itโ€™s not really

blazing pelican
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!physick

quick verge
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generate negative aggro

wet stag
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Just use shinten instead

blazing pelican
#

!action physick

storm frostBOT
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**Physick** : lvl 0 scholar (2.3 second cooldown)

Restores target's HP.
<span style="color:#cc22ff;">Cure Potency:</span> 2,500
<span style="color:#cc22ff;">Additional Effect:</span> Increases <span style="color:#ff7b1a;">Faerie Gauge</span> by 5 when action restores HP of self or party member while in combat

wet stag
#

Very minor dps loss

vapid tangle
#

Shinten is worse.

blazing pelican
#

sigh

wet stag
#

Barely

scenic patrol
#

It's like 0.5 dps

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Loss

vapid tangle
#

Every merciful eyes is DPS lose so the only reason to use it is when A) there is no one to attack in the next 15 seconds B) the boss starts hurting you with his auto hits.

scenic patrol
#

Less

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Actually

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It's what?

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15 potency

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More efficient

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Or something

vapid tangle
#

It's also the cost difference.

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15 instead of 25 Kenki can go very high in a Boss Fight

scenic patrol
#

It can also cause you to lose potency if your Kenki management gets fucked out of Trick

junior quartz
#

uh, I am using diversion after shade

vapid tangle
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That's your own fault then.

junior quartz
#

but right after shade so Idk if it stacks in some way

scenic patrol
#

I don't play SAM

vapid tangle
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While you used merciful eyes I studied the Kenki bar.

scenic patrol
vapid tangle
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I only play SAM in raids.

quick verge
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i play pld

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ama

vapid tangle
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Pld are always useful.

scenic patrol
#

How is it surviving brain cancer from running dungeons on this job?

quick verge
#

i play drk in dungeons now

scenic patrol
#

Good boi

vapid tangle
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I don't.

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Oh you meant him

quick verge
#

pld in dungeons is a magical experience

vapid tangle
#

I only go into dungeons as DPS when I got a tank friend with me.

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Else I go warrior.

scenic patrol
#

Dungeon PLD is legitimately the worst thing

#

So boring

vapid tangle
#

Got better things to do then waiting 25 minutes in DPS Q

scenic patrol
#

Marginally better at defensive play

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Complete shit tier AOE

vapid tangle
#

Just go in as PLD, tell the healer to tank and become a Holy spirit spamming DPS.

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Now you are a mage.

quick verge
#

holy spirit spamming

wet stag
#

@vapid tangle just did some math using this log

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If all the seigans were shintens it would be at most a 22 dps loss

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If he had less than 20 kenki at the end of the fight

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7 seigans = 105 kenki = 4, potentially 5 shintens

vapid tangle
#

Look at how often he uses merciful eyes.

wet stag
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No how many times he used merciful eyes is irrelevant

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Since it doesnโ€™t cost any kenki

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...

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Right?

steady pebble
#

correct, merciful eyes doesn't cost anything

wet stag
#

Iโ€™m saying if he used 0 seigans and pumped all he kenki into shintens instead

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If he used merciful eyes every third eye

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It would be at most a 20 dps loss

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22*

vapid tangle
#

Doesn't cost anything Kenki but like I said, dmg. It's all about damage optimization, so even if it would be 1 dmg you would do it for optimization sake.

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We talking orange parses.

wet stag
#

You said big dps waste

vapid tangle
#

Also I'm pretty sure even with "just one" merciful eyes he didn't steal aggro.

wet stag
#

Iโ€™m saying itโ€™s not a huge dps loss

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Again, Iโ€™m talking about the extreme

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if he didnโ€™t seigan at all

quick verge
#

nerds lol

vapid tangle
#

You also can't do the math like that because there are other important factors.

wet stag
#

I took the average non-crit shinten damage vs the average seigan damage

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So raid buffs are accounted for already

vapid tangle
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First the damage time on the boss. For example O5S for when the train is leaving and the Kenki you have at each step. You need to remember that every time he uses shinten he uses 10 more Kenki, which can be critical in many situations.

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You can look at the Kenki he got overall in the entire fight but the most important situations are for example when you are supposed to Middare Setsugekka but you got only 10 instead of 20 Kenki.

wet stag
#

Thatโ€™s why I used a chad parse ponderpaissa

vapid tangle
#

Forcing him to use two more GCD before using Middare. Situations where you use shinten forces you to plan ahead a higher Kenki production at certain points of your GCD

steady pebble
#

I mean when you do calculations like that you do it in a vacuum fight where there's pretty much 100% uptime

#

While it may not necessarily be accurate for all fights, it is the best cast scenario

wet stag
#

You can look at the Kenki he got overall in the entire fight but the most important situations are for example when you are supposed to Middare Setsugekka but you got only 10 instead of 20 Kenki.

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Isnโ€™t this just bad play

vapid tangle
#

Not necessarily. There are fights which allow you to meditate in the middle of it. Suzuka ex is a good example. When she flies away you can meditate for exactly 20 Kenki before you attack her again. You can then use third eye on her first aoe and gain sweet bonus dmg and lose only 15 Kenki.

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You do shinten instead you may lose 5 Kenki which were already needed a bit deeper into your rotiation.

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It depends from fight to fight, but the less optimal the fight is for uptime the more important it can become to have the ability to use lower costing Kenki abilities.

wet stag
#

Alright lemme recalculate using the average non-raid buff shinten then

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That should compensate slightly

vapid tangle
#

It's 5:30 am so I Wana sleep, let's just end with the fact that Shinten isn't as good as seigan but that the difference isn't big enough for any non parse heavy guy to care about. Should be good enough.

wet stag
#

Fuck it

#

Fuck it

#

Gonna take the lowest value

vapid tangle
#

Someone loves numbers.

wet stag
#

25.3 dps loss

#

As a maximum possible loss from that log

#

Which should go even lower in fights with Long downtime

#

ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

#

I do lol

vapid tangle
#

Guess my statement about those two abilities remains fitting then.

#

If there are no questions left I say now good night.

wet stag
#

Night

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I mean itโ€™s still not a huge dps loss

#

Crit chance can fuck you over more lol

vapid tangle
#

playing crit SAM

wet stag
#

Unless youโ€™re going for ayaparse it really doesnโ€™t matter

vapid tangle
#

4.3 BiS Sam had 450 crit. Long live skill speed.

wet stag
#

Yeah as a drk I agree

scenic patrol
#

Shouldn't SAM be SkS>Crit this tier?

wet stag
#

Yeah sam didnโ€™t change much

scenic patrol
#

Well, it was SkS>DH last tier

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Or Crit>DH

#

For the special people

wet stag
#

Ah yes

#

The mnks

normal sable
#

I played crit sam

#

Crit sam is a better build if you're looking for big dick parses

scenic patrol
#

Your name betrays you

normal sable
#

I had decent enough parses for non parse teamsetups ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

The diff between crit and non crit was like on average

#

50 dps or something lmao

#

And high roll crit will always be better than high roll sks builds

#

with raid buffs diff between crit and sks was literally 4 dps

#

also seigan is +1.05 DPS per cast

#

Assuming you budget 15 kenki properly so that you don't fuck up your kaitens

unreal flax
#

Finally saw enrage on O9S. This shit's DPS check is fuckin wild lol

normal mesa
#

how fucked am i for not having been able to go into 9s this week?

#

i won't lie, i feel like i'm already screwed for not having cleared it week one

#

I had a group for sigma and did fine then, but I lack a group this time /shrug

boreal edge
#

wild

#

as hard or easy

unreal flax
#

It's not the worst thing in the world.

#

It's really tight, in my experience.

#

BUT

boreal edge
unreal flax
#

for other people (like people who's statics are on it), it's easier

#

but pugging it has been rough.

boreal edge
#

middy dps check is harder

unreal flax
#

I can imagine.

boreal edge
#

we needed max 4 deaths

#

or we wont kill it before enrage

#

healer lb also made us skip weakness

#

so there is that

unreal flax
#

This group I've been running with. I don't think we can have more than a single death and it can't be the first or second DPS

boreal edge
#

chaos dps check was easy to us

#

we had like 1 min to spare

#

with 1 death

unreal flax
#

We've finished the orb consistely over 80% lol

#

our highest was 97%

boreal edge
#

our clear we finished it 88

unreal flax
#

I think our lowest was 90% lol

boreal edge
#

orb pop with most our burst on cd

#

so it was rough

#

to certain degree

#

or close call

#

to be exact

unreal flax
#

Man. FFLogs is showing me some painful things lmao.

#

75th percentile for MNK on O9S is 6323. I haven't hit that outside of my opener yet lol

torn kindle
#

They're probably using full crafted, maybe with Suzaku weapon too. That may be the reason if you aren't using that stuff

normal sable
#

6.3k should be possible in 370

unreal flax
#

At 95th percentile, sure.

#

Even on dummy-ass Chardanook, 75th percentile was 6230.

#

And that's taking into account that you literally can't miss a positional in O6S.

inner tangle
#

99 percentile is 7.1k

#

for o9s

unreal flax
#

yeah, I saw that

#

I'm referring to when i370 was the cap, which was the last tier.

normal sable
#

I don't understand

#

Monk has done over 7k in 370 gear

#

๐Ÿค”

unreal flax
#

I'm not concerned with 100th percentile MNKs because I've never been a 100th percentile MNK and I don't have any aspirations to be a 100th percentile MNK. I just want to clear the fight.

high ether
#

i tried to clear o9s first week but i just didn't have the bloody time

#

i didn't even clear suzaku ex

#

the even patches always drop at the worst possible moments

normal mesa
#

i cleared suzaku ex, but no weapon

#

too much bullshit happened this last week -sigh-

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one day I even got locked out of my house, it's been insane.

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

stable basin
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Half my O9S clear party would've been 99th percentile on Godka and we killed during earth cast of enrage or something

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Granted one of the dps would... not have been 99th

normal mesa
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snrk

stable basin
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But yeah, new tier new dps

normal mesa
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like if i didn't clear this week, i'll...like i'm still gonna be able to find okay learning parties aren't I? D:

wet stag
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It's okay to be grey

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***as long as you're willing to improve

normal mesa
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i mean i'm Nothing atm cuz no clear lol

unreal flax
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Honestly, if I clear the fight, I'd be perfectly fine being mega grey for the first couple of clears. But if I'm 1st or 2nd DPS and I'm looking at a grey, I'm also not looking at a clear.

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I feel like, if I'm doing 5600-5800dps and I'm top DPS, we're not clearing. And that's been my night.

inner tangle
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o9?

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the check is 35k

unreal flax
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yeah, O9S.

stable basin
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Yeah dps should be averaging over 6k

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If dps do 6k, tanks do 4k, and healers do 2k you're still a bit under

last galleon
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don't forget LB3

stable basin
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Tru

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If you get 2 LB3 that would put you right at 35k

boreal edge
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if my smn can hit 6700 in o9s idk how mnk cant and he is i375 @unreal flax

half surge
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I discarded my o9s page by mistake. Would FFXIV support give a damn if I submit a request?

last galleon
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you have a one time restore, but its' not worth using on a page.

boreal edge
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if not happened before yes

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you can retrieve it

half surge
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I see. Thanks

steep iris
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dps don't have to be 6k in 9s

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any decent tank can do 4.5k+ with full uptime

last galleon
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healers can also hit combined 5k pretty easily

boreal edge
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im 4770 as tank

wet stag
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Tfw 4.1k :(

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:((((((

steep iris
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full uptime

wet stag
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:((((((((((((

boreal edge
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aiming to 4900 this reset

steep iris
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if you can't do 4.5k with full uptime (dummy for example) it's usually an ilvl problem

boreal edge
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as i was playing it safe

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as fuck

steep iris
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Aiming for 2600+ dps as ast

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on 9s

boreal edge
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our ast outdpsed our whm in o9s

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we kept memeing about that

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to this day

steep iris
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that's fine

boreal edge
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he said fuck you all

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now wait today i will do 3300 dps

steep iris
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i can outdps my cos pretty easily

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as long as im not being hella chadded

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cough

high ether
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oh shit

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35k for o9s?

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i was lucky to get 24k in o6s

pure yoke
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it's 42k for Omega Prime

uncut charm
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4.5k full uptime with party buff/pots? GWfroggyBlobThonk

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My PLD is about 4.4k on dummy 3mins+ no food/pot/party

boreal edge
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@uncut charm 10% slash res provided by your fellow war/nin/sam

drifting beacon
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how accepted is full vit meld

pure yoke
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use it on prog

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100%

lyric summit
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for every i400 left side you can unmeld one vit from an accesory i'd say

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for savage prog

drifting beacon
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well I hope Vit VI isn't too expensive then

uncut charm
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It's usually dirt cheap

eternal mirage
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How does the weekly lockout work for alpha savage?

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Even if you miss loot you can roll for the rest of the week?

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Or you just cant roll if you get something?

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I assumed it was the latter but a friend is saying the former

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This is the first tier I'm properly starting while relevant so not too sure tbh

dull radish
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You get one try at loot per floor per week. Any chests that are there on your weekly clear, you can roll and win

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If you join any parties for that floor after you clear, you count against the number of people that cleared for the week for the group, making it either 1 or 0 chests that show up upon clear, depending on how many other people have already gotten their weekly

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If it's a 1-chest party in that situation, you don't get a page, you don't even get to see the loot that is in the chest

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Just the one page, and the one chance at rolling per week, regardless of if you try rolling out or win/don't win any loot

eternal mirage
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Jesus that is intense monkaS

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The rng is real

dull radish
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Another nuance too--if you don't get your clear for 9 for the week for example, but even enter 10 with another party, you are flagged as having cleared 9 for the week, and can't get any page/loot from it until next week

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It's not too bad

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At least there's pages now so you can eventually get your gear

eternal mirage
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Damn getting my drop yesterday was a godsend then!

boreal edge
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for 1st time

eternal mirage
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I didn't realise it'd be that intense, that would explain the lack of farm parties

boreal edge
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we arent fucked and got healing only loot for 1 month

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we got dps stuff in week 1

dull radish
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Yeah you can't really "farm" while there's weekly lockout going

steady pebble
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mh farm parties are more once the lockout is removed

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page runs is what you'll see for now

eternal mirage
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Right noted

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Thanks for the detailed response! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

wet stag
unreal flax
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Man, I was leaned really far back in my chair and I thought that was the DRG icon. I was dumbfounded like, "HOW IS 4.48k a PURPLE???" and then I sat up lol

eternal mirage
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Gratz Faye!

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I had a sad parse

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My target is around 6.7-6.8 and will attempt that in my page run later

wet stag
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nice

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good luck

glossy musk
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Farm for durability damage

eternal mirage
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Thank you!