endgame-lounge

[waxen ether]

Oh I'm unlocking it tonight so that tomorrow I'll raid with some of my friends

[scenic patrol]

During feathers get each dps to revive an add

And bait into a place with a small feather

Preferably dead

The purple puddles that you get earlier can also awaken the adds

So use em

[odd violet]

Im glad it's not just us experencing something werid. We just keep getting stuck at the orbs that make you run in a direction

[scenic patrol]

Second set of puddles

I figured you need to bait those orbs into a place where you won't fall off

Anyhow I has a clear vod I plan to study

[lyric summit]

is suzaku ex legit bugged

[scenic patrol]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/311619731

Can't say for sure yet

[lyric summit]

i think i figured it out but it's galaxy brain

the first two with two 8symbol patterns

it's clockwise/anti

and then a mirror 12344321

it only skips on the mirror, so you know which one you can't dodge into from the safe 1

nevermind this fight's impossible

[fringe granite]

Normal is impossible?

[lyric summit]

ex

[fringe granite]

Oh

I'd expect nothing less

[lyric summit]

it's either bugged or the most difficult ex mechanic

[fringe granite]

Maybe both

[quasi mesa]

Ex is doable, just the server tick issue and latency makes it very difficult

Like titan in 2.0, latency is the killer

[glossy musk]

Nice!

I'm hyped to try then

been dying for something to sell to shitters play with

[scenic patrol]

Eh the fight ain't that hard, just unique mechs

[whole kestrel]

What's the hardest boss as a tank in Stormblood ?

I mean, in terms of strategy

[fringe granite]

It's going to be an extreme or a savage

[glossy musk]

Ultimate

[fringe granite]

That too

[whole kestrel]

Oh right, forgot about Ultima and Bahamut

[fringe granite]

Most people would

Most never see them

[glossy musk]

Only good content in the game, feelsbad

oh and E U R E K A

[scenic patrol]

Tanking Alpha seems much more involved than previously

Frequent forced swaps on O9

For example

So that's good

[glossy musk]

Nice

I'm glad to hear

[quick verge]

poggers

hard respecting content

[shadow pollen]

yup

Gotta Respect Content

[hexed iris]

has anyone completed the latest MSQs yet? Any clues to what the next jobs will be?

I barely caught up to the MSQs like 2 days ago to get ready for this patch and I see what some of you mean by gunblade being possible next job since the new guy weilds one

[lyric summit]

a leaker with confirmed predictions said it'd be dancer blue mage and gunblade but who knows 🤷

[hexed iris]

omg those are all perfect!

but I wonder what jobs they will mix with them 😦

[vapid tangle]

Is it just me

Or does alpha 4.0 hurt a lot even on normal.

I remember kefka normal and that was easy peasy

Suddenly alpha comes and shit goes down

[lyric summit]

when did you do kefka normal? it hit about as hard, everyone's undergeared

[scenic patrol]

eh

Kefka Normie was pretty easy

[lyric summit]

when every casual is in i400, it'll be piss easy too

[vapid tangle]

Feels like tons more mechanics and things to care aboht

[thin wedge]

the double meteors is the big killer

[scenic patrol]

compared to O12

[vapid tangle]

Than any other normal fight.

[lyric summit]

it's just aoes

and a knockback

[scenic patrol]

I dunno, this tier on Normal mode feels tighter

which is a welcome change

tbh

[lyric summit]

o11 has more actual mechanics that aren't "dodge this"

[vapid tangle]

I mean sigma normal was a no brainer even on normal

I don't say alpha is extremely difficult.

[scenic patrol]

O9S is gonna be some real bitch ass pug killer

[vapid tangle]

Just way harder than sigma.

[lyric summit]

o7n was hell with DF on release too

[thin wedge]

it might just be because of the ilvl increase but all the normal stuff in this patch feels harder than usual, even the dungeons

[lyric summit]

o3n too, exdeath as well

[vapid tangle]

It was the first time in stormblood that I wiped Ina dungeon.

[quick verge]

😏

can't wait to pug o11s

[scenic patrol]

I just recommended a Warrior to go to 1583 SkS

[quick verge]

is that good

[scenic patrol]

it's the next tier

after 2.38

[junior quartz]

i keep on confusing spoiler discussion and endgame discussion, i really should get glasses by now

on a related now, pf people already asking for alpha raid mechanics

[quick verge]

[junior quartz]

[scenic patrol]

2.43 is 37 GCDs per 90 secs

2.38 is 38 GCDs per 90 secs

2.31 is 39 GCDs per 90 secs

anyhow full crafted apparently has you at 1.5K already

so you might as well go faster

to line up

[mild granite]

is there a crafting mat with the old tomes that is recommended to buy in order to make money?

like the one with highest demand

[fringe granite]

Any of them

[lyric summit]

it's different on every server, check your marketboard

[quick verge]

trying to get the hot 0 sks

[scenic patrol]

literally impossible to escape some SkS this tier on tanks

you'll go fast

and you'll like it

[lyric summit]

and on casters

and on ranged

it's the sonic tier

[quick verge]

i didn't want to play mch anyway tbh

:')

[lyric summit]

i wanted to, but not after i saw the gear

sks on sigma gun

[quick verge]

yoinks

[scenic patrol]

BRD is having chain orgasms over their gear

so much fucking crit

[quick verge]

ill just stick to pld where sks doesn't negate my class

[scenic patrol]

PLD usually goes slowboi though

[quick verge]

fastboi doesn't negate pld's existence tho

just unfun to play

[stable basin]

anyone where Indigo Whale is from?

[fossil basalt]

hey so let's say i managed to accidentally acquire two of an item you're not supposed to be able to get two of - a master crafting book - by putting the first one into the saddlebag

how do i get rid of the extra copy?

[scenic patrol]

you don't

use a copy and only then

you'll be able to drop the dupe

[fossil basalt]

it will let me discard it if i use one?

[scenic patrol]

yeah

[fossil basalt]

alright, i guess i'll just keep leveling ltw

[scenic patrol]

there is protection in place to prevent people from discarding unlearned books

[thin wedge]

Alright, is there any way to tell where the mist dragon's aoe will be when it goes foggy? Because this is ridiculous for a dungeon boss

[scenic patrol]

ooo

sounds fun

[whole kestrel]

i didn't find anything to know where it's spawning

Just have everyone spread out and free from ice when you leave the phase

Last bosses of both dungeons are fun and a bit challenging for a change, that was good

[thin wedge]

wasting 40 minutes wiping and having to abandon duty on expert roulette because you just have to guess where an aoe will be isn't much fun

[whole kestrel]

My party only wiped once

We got all iced the first time and wiped

[lyric summit]

the dashes in the burn? they appear when you're close, like the fog bird in neverreap

[whole kestrel]

Second time 2 people were iced and it was ok

[lyric summit]

i think

[scenic patrol]

This tier has me very satisfied with the overall increase in difficulty

[whole kestrel]

Haven't touched new trial and raid yet but dungeons were nice

[scenic patrol]

some fights are close to Extreme

[whole kestrel]

In normal raid ?

[scenic patrol]

from the normal raids

Suzaku

[whole kestrel]

I see, that's good

[scenic patrol]

is below Shinryu EX

[whole kestrel]

Did they talk about difficulty increase before releasing the patch ?

[scenic patrol]

in terms of difficulty

[whole kestrel]

I've never done Shinryu EX, stopped a bit before it released

[scenic patrol]

Shin EX was harder than some Savage fights

at the time

[whole kestrel]

So how is Suzaku EX difficulty wise ?

[scenic patrol]

overall I am very satisfied with the increase in difficulty

I was talking EX

[lyric summit]

difficult

[whole kestrel]

Ok

[lyric summit]

either bugged, dependent af on latency, or really difficult

[scenic patrol]

Normal is pug nightmare

[whole kestrel]

Which ilvl is recommended for Suzaku EX ?

[scenic patrol]

360 should be enough

[lyric summit]

370 is minimal, the higher the better

[whole kestrel]

Ok i'm a bit behind then, still 355

[scenic patrol]

I am 364

but I am using Sigmascape BiS

[junior quartz]

I didn't even make it to sigma BiS

got stuck at 358 qq

[full wave]

I have come to the conclusion that pugs won't make it past O11s

[scenic patrol]

O11S?

lul

[full wave]

That shit is crazy

[scenic patrol]

they won't get passed O9S

that shit is a pug killer

at the level of Guardian

[pure yoke]

O9S ain't that bad

it's a shorter fight

that people realize

the two rotation actually helps

since after his dps check

he just does the rotation he didn't do before

[stable basin]

synchronized Chaos’s dissidia theme transition with his phase transition/ultimate attack and it’s amazing. Transition timestamp: 3:17
https://youtu.be/E4Z3_9ub2tU

[inner tangle]

i agree on o11s part

that will be this tiers guardian

[sterile temple]

random little tip for o11 (normal at least, no clue about savage)

going into program loop you should already have a bar and a half of lb, and storage violation gives another bar and a half

the first storage violation will put you at lb3, so melee dps should lb as soon as it hits

[scenic patrol]

you need tank LB3 in savage

[sterile temple]

the second storage violation will give another bar and a half, which will let delta attack give you lb3 again

[scenic patrol]

[full wave]

Omega is worse than Guardian. That fucking last phase is so nuts.

[scenic patrol]

I saw

[full wave]

Just watching makes me sweat

He just fires everything

[scenic patrol]

optimizing O11N is not a concern to me

[sterile temple]

just figured i'd point it out since literally none of my pugs for o11n seemed to notice the lb bar going up

[scenic patrol]

yeah

[full wave]

No wonder he made Shinryu his bitch

[scenic patrol]

DF people tend to be

[sterile temple]

truth

[vapid tangle]

The biggest pain of patch day

Are clear parties.

I mean if you break down the handful of clear parties i was in for suzuka ex it fails because people are too stupid to run in circles and use one button to get knock back immunity / move correctly.

Those things aren't hard people.

[blazing pelican]

These are the same people that die to slow moving missiles

[scenic patrol]

I have seen people fail to revive their adds for the tenth fucking time

[vapid tangle]

I have seen people reviving four.

[trail zealot]

anyone have a video of o11s?

of people doing it

[scenic patrol]

MrHappy I think is the only streamer

That did it and cleared

Maybe Xeno cleared as well

But not while I was watching

[stable basin]

Arthars is doing it rn

[crisp marten]

so does anyone know where to get the indigo whale mount yet

[torn kindle]

unknown

I think it's originally from Chinese servers

so it will probably be on the mogstation eventually

[stable basin]

What would be the best way for me to get level 310 gear? my gear is level 300 since I haven't done much of the endgame.

[scenic patrol]

Dungeons

[wheat garnet]

Mendacity isn't capped anymore. Just doing roulettes with your lvl 70 job will give plenty to buy ilvl 360 gear

[scenic patrol]

And shoot higher than 310 lol

Leveling roulette with a capped job

Same for Alliance and raid roulettes

Should net you Tomes while you are still undergeared

After that spam highest dungeon

With a set of 360 gear

You should be able to do Alpha

Alphascape

Newest raid tier

Which gives tokens for 380 gear

Capped weekly

[stable basin]

Ah, alright

Thanks

[frigid crest]

so uh

where exactly am I supposed to get a military-grade tomestone

Alphascape?

[boreal edge]

genesis?

[frigid crest]

nvm just found it

[boreal edge]

can be gotten everywhere

[frigid crest]

next question

where exactly am I supposed to get 7 Alphascape crystalloids

...probably Alphascape

[civic bear]

alpha 4.0 and 7 weeks of patience

[frigid crest]

your name is a 11/10 obscure reference btw

[proven pilot]

ok, i dont know where to post this, but i have been melding + gathering in increments and using food, and at 1718 i finally get the full +3 yield off the 100GP gathering buff, so I am assuming its 1715 for the new softcap. If anyone is interested or know a good place to share that information. and likewise 1717 in perception was giving me +35% HQ off the 30-100% HQ chance buff.

its kinda "endgame" in a DoL sense

[solemn crow]

umm in alphascape 2.0, what does the circle arrow mean? like a dive bomb but sequential?

[wet stag]

For exaflare?

Basically there will be sequential aoes in that direction

It’s the same Mechanic on byakko ex, or the 1st boss in soma castle lol

[blazing pelican]

Me, a professional raider: oh hey exaflare

Others, complete scrubs: OH GOD A MOVING AOE gets hit by every blast

Randos in O10N are not fun

[inner tangle]

@proven pilot ill pass it on thanks!

[solemn crow]

yea exaflare

it's my first time seeing it since I haven't got to byakko yet @_@ thanks

[wet stag]

But it’s not your first time seeing it is what I’m saying lol

It was in Doma castle as well

1st boss

Except that boss also had the subsequent aoes marked

[solemn crow]

ah

[opal hollow]

any news on act dps getting updated?

[boreal edge]

not yet

[proven pilot]

@inner tangle my info was incomplete, 1715 will cap you on gathering the Azimm Water, but not the Gyr Alb ore. It requires MORE than 1715 for that. Gonna make food and figure out where it caps, ill get back with ya

[inner tangle]

join the balance

i just posted it there

[quick verge]

okay wow...

o12n lowkey fucked me up

[normal mesa]

same

[atomic maple]

09 regular was fun enough for me tonight

I did not expect a normal mode to be that crazy right off the bat. I'm not as numb to savage content as some of my friends, but our pug got destroyed on a bunch of mechanics, leaving me and my buddy standing around like "alright it's gonna be one of those!"

[azure hill]

O9 is great

[atomic maple]

enjoyed it thoroughly

[azure hill]

Probably the most fun floor for me

[normal mesa]

i wanted to kill the blm i had in 10 and 11

and i'm glad the friend i'm helping had to take a small break so we don't get him again

[atomic maple]

I stopped after 9. The pug we got only succeeded from two top-class SMNs who got brought in and brute forced us through

[azure hill]

Ran into some god tier healers last night 😅

On O10 there was a point where only a healer and tank was left alive

And both dipped to 10%

[atomic maple]

I'm kinda glad meters are taboo, because I don't want to see how badly the other dps were doing lol

[azure hill]

Somehow they made a miraculous recovery though and we made it 🎉

[atomic maple]

\o/ Those are always the best

[azure hill]

Expert roulette is going to be a ride

[quick verge]

time to actually do suzaku and the story content

and get yoted on by el brun

[azure hill]

Or as Hien would say

ZA BAAAANO

Go for it, the music is great

[atomic maple]

yes! Was really happy with the Burn's soundtrack

hell, hearing that reprise of the FF1 battle theme was great too. Such a throwback

[languid night]

hey where can i find the spreadsheet for world first progress? been lookin around a lot

Nvm found it lol

[quick verge]

is mustard bomb physical or magical

[boreal edge]

magic

@quick verge

@quick verge the whole tier has magical busters except
tailend o10
optimized bladedance o12

[warm vessel]

has the final form of o12s been seen?

[boreal edge]

no one got there among streamers

[warm vessel]

ahh

[boreal edge]

but silent raiders might be

[warm vessel]

I'm pretty sure it's Seph, just hoping to see

[boreal edge]

huh?

boss design is already available

savage ver

[warm vessel]

is it?

never saw

[boreal edge]

wanna dm it to you

?

[warm vessel]

sure

[barren ember]

Does the os11 use the fore and stern naticals with the other 2 it uses in normal?

[torn kindle]

no front/back lasers from the kill video I watched

[quick verge]

only left right

[cunning eagle]

Is 012s down?

Nvm. Just caught up with chat here lol

[barren ember]

Thank god I mean once you got what each means and could tell on the fly its not hell like it was at start but still naticals suck

[stable basin]

also want the DN

dm

[lusty oak]

se did op tier, no clear in 24 hours

[opal hollow]

is there confirmation that colours get skipped in suzaku ex

[boreal edge]

@opal hollow yes source me

unless we missing some detail

which i highly doubt it

[kindred merlin]

Do someone know how Omega's Starboard Wave Cannon works? I still can't find out how to avoid it

[quick verge]

starboard hits the right of omega

larboard the left

[dull radish]

and when he shoots, it spins him 180 degrees

so you have to keep that in mind for the second shot

[steady pebble]

should be able to stand on his left side for both and be fine

left of when he does the initial starboard

and then don't move for larboard

[dull radish]

well it can be starboard -> starboard

[steady pebble]

oh?

well shit

[dull radish]

yeah

[steady pebble]

hm is that for savage then?

cos so far for nm its just been starboard > larboard

[dull radish]

pretty sure I got that in normal too haha

[quick verge]

it can be either

yeah

[steady pebble]

guess i just got lucky on my runs then

[kindred merlin]

Thank you!

[fossil basalt]

in normal he can do both

we wiped a couple times to it

[steady pebble]

can he do larboard > larboard then as well?

or is it always starboard first

[azure hill]

I thought it's random

[fossil basalt]

it is

[azure hill]

Saw most combinations last night

[fossil basalt]

he can do either one at either time

[dull radish]

well, there might be like some overarching combinations but that's so nuanced and complicates it further to try to figure out and remember

just gotta remember left and right compared to his facing, that's all

[fossil basalt]

it's easy as main tank, because you get to run in the direction it actually says 😄

instead of having to remember to reverse it

[steady pebble]

just gotta remember star is right, lar is left. v_v can't even remember port and star for the temple boss

damn you se and your nautical term usages !!1

[fossil basalt]

Larboard = L = Left

[quick verge]

put a note on your screen

full diagram of omega and the arena

[pure yoke]

hello

how is prog?

[quick verge]

using lameboard and starbread

[steady pebble]

nah

i'll just die

[pure yoke]

Lar for left

[cursive spear]

Friendly reminder that the JP move names are simply “left” and “right”

[azure hill]

Localization team

[steady pebble]

ok but...JP doesn't have a dude who's got burning loins like dalamud in limsa so it balances things out

[azure hill]

Haha yep

[lost mulch]

eng localization pls

change left and right

[azure hill]

The hard mode boss has a pretty horrifying attack name

[lost mulch]

and also whole drk quest tq

[azure hill]

And I saw something on O9 as well that made me raise eyebrows

[fringe granite]

The difficulty?

[azure hill]

Haha

That too

But there was an attack that had an... interesting name

[fringe granite]

And that was?

[azure hill]

I can't remember 😦

[dull radish]

hmm, was looking at a skill list, maybe you are talking about "bowels of agony"?

[azure hill]

Yes!

That's the one

Sounds like something that would be worse for the boss than for the raid

[dull radish]

I suppose haha

seems to be a pretty literal translation in this case though

[pure yoke]

feels weird progging o1s

o11s

didn't 10

[dull radish]

oh yeah?

[pure yoke]

yeah

skipped 9 and 10

due to an emgerency

[dull radish]

mmm that's unfortunate

our BRD couldn't make it last night to raid either, so we only went in for about a lockout with a pug BRD, then we had to call it because folks had to go

[smoky tiger]

is it possible to get the warrior of darkness armor?

[pure yoke]

just dye your af armor black

[shadow smelt]

"just dye your af armor black"

mood

[quick verge]

LMAO

mood

[shadow smelt]

true definition of 'i can be your angle or yuor devil'

[quick verge]

agnle

[steady pebble]

well...the warrior(s) of darkness' armors are all just af1 dyed black

so....mug isn't wrong

[smoky tiger]

i can't dye my AF1 armor tho

[fringe granite]

You can if you augment it

[pure yoke]

you can dye augmented AF armor

[smoky tiger]

oh

[azure hill]

There's one part in The Burn I didn't get

After the add phase, it felt like two people would always get iceblocked

Is it possible to dodge that?

[quick verge]

2.45 gcd

hell yeah brother

unplayable class

[vague pollen]

@azure hill If you attack the swirling mist in the middle, you get iceblocked. When all the adds are dead, people have a bad habit of attacking that without thinking and getting frozen

[azure hill]

Ahh, so pretty much press z when the last add is dead to be safe

Thanks! 😄

[pure yoke]

5% wipe on O11S

x.x

[dull radish]

oof, almost there

[azure hill]

Good luck

[steady pebble]

\o/ you've got this mug!

[vital cypress]

I am so not looking forward to actually doing alphascape

[steep iris]

go mug go

[vital cypress]

also good luck 💪

[steep iris]

meanwhile tfw no day 1 o9s clear

[vital cypress]

my static failed to clear suzaku ex last night if it makes you feel better

[steep iris]

we started o9s 1 hour late cause people couldn't get normals done in time (they had work, i don't blame them)

and then i got tilted and cause a couple of wipes halfway through O O F

[dull radish]

we had a late start and had to find a pug since our BRD had an emergency and couldn't make it haha

were gonna try staying a bit later to make up a bit but folks had to go

feels like such a long wait until next raid day

[pure yoke]

I actually never cleared o9s or o10s

I skipped to o11s

[fossil basalt]

meanwhile my static only cleared alpha normal and went over time to do it 😄

[pure yoke]

I spent o9s and o10s umm

making the timelines

for the fight

but o11s, our drg left because he hates the game

[steep iris]

rip loot

[azure hill]

Wait

I thought you were the drg

[pure yoke]

for speed

and fun stuff

but not for prog

but now I am in the frontlines

[azure hill]

Uh oh

What is your progression class?

[steep iris]

i think he meant that he's only the drg for speed

[pure yoke]

Dragoon

I am Dragoon for everything

I mean that

[steep iris]

otherwise he's just progging at his own pace

[pure yoke]

I wasn't in the instance

I just was writing down what every boss does

I pretty much have a full timeline of O9S, O10S, and O11S right now

[azure hill]

Oh, I see

[stable basin]

What are tank accessories goin for on the mb for everyone else rn

Wondering if Malboro is particularly dumb or if the crafters are being dragged kicking and screaming to reasonable prices everywhere else

[fossil basalt]

is it cheap on malboro rn?

[stable basin]

4m for rings and 7-8m for the rest

[heavy mist]

Bless

[quick verge]

they're pretty expensive rn

yeah

[stable basin]

is there any late patch data on lolorito npc lol? Garland bells has him having grey hair

[scenic patrol]

2.8 mil cheapest

5 mil pentamelded

on Odin

[steady pebble]

@stable basin click on the 'alternate instances' and then select the 'other ???' option

that one has the correct hair colour

[stable basin]

@steady pebble YES! thank you

but no voice data 😦

[steady pebble]

unfortunately, you're probably not going to find that info

i don't think they bother to give npcs those kind of player voices

[stable basin]

oh so npc's emote but don't have voices? I want to get lore friendly Lolorito 😃

[pure yoke]

also the final dance of O11S

where Omega just literally starts firing everything

Missiles, Lasers, Flamethrowers

[dull radish]

sounds fun <3

[lyric summit]

o12s has a12s tethers?

Fun

[pure yoke]

his Flamethrower is basically

Heavensfall

in the final dance

[shadow pollen]

FUN

[heavy mist]

Omega is like good luck

[smoky swift]

Ayone know what to meld for crafted tank gear? DH or Crit?

[fossil basalt]

dh for pld and drk

for war, skill speed until you hit the threshold you want, then crit

[ruby timber]

notes that the answer still isn't Tenacity and wonders if it will ever be desired

[quick verge]

suzaku ex is kinda messed up

had to zoom my camera in for the ddr phase

[stable basin]

Meld crit for drk/pld

And if you plan on playing WAR at all go det second

[fossil basalt]

i've seen some people saying suzaku ex might be bugged, what' that avout?

[lyric summit]

it has 8 lanterns in a row and they go fast, faster than in normal mode

and sometimes it skips one

[unreal flax]

THE FUCK YOU MEAN IT SKIPS ONE?

[lyric summit]

so you're thinking "go into yellow as soon as it explides" but then it skips yellow

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/14af484a4b9363a9c7ba6423564a395bc159f9fc

[quick verge]

sounds bugged

[lyric summit]

it is bugged

[unreal flax]

rofl

[lyric summit]

wait is that even suzaku

[unreal flax]

Aiight. The way you said that, I thought it was intended and started to panic.

[lyric summit]

instanced battle “The Scarlet Bloodletter”

[unreal flax]

Most likely.

[lyric summit]

not the azim duty?

[unreal flax]

wait

you're probably right, Vis.

[lyric summit]

the skipping loos bugged

[unreal flax]

I remember hearing day one that one NPC's HP doesn't drop or something

[lyric summit]

it's completely random with the skipping in suzaku

if that's not intended, it really fucks with you

[unreal flax]

Even if it is intended, not having any tells would make the fight near impossible if it can skip any of the symbols at random

Well

Near impossible is a very, very strong way of putting it

[lyric summit]

some kills i haven't had a single skip, some there's one every time the platform changes

[unreal flax]

How do you strategize for that lol

[heavy mist]

U dont

[unreal flax]

You can't. You literally just hope it doesn't.

[quick verge]

yup

o9s seems pretty easy...

[dull radish]

It's pretty straightforward yeah

[quick verge]

i do like the randomized phases

[dull radish]

Yeah it's kinda neat how it works, where it's just two halves of the fight, and you can learn both halves along the way

[fossil basalt]

so it's kinda like o7?

[heavy mist]

in a sense

[steep iris]

o9s pugging prob is gonna be hell

[quick verge]

nah

it'll be super easy

i can tell

[heavy mist]

10s is gonna be trash

if u pug it

[fossil basalt]

pugging

[steep iris]

lol people can't even do 5s and 6s correctly

[heavy mist]

dont even get started on 11 and 12 😓

[steep iris]

let alone 7s

[quick verge]

12 unpuggable

btw

[heavy mist]

u cant carry people

[fossil basalt]

im willing to accept the idea of pugging 11 if only because that means i'd get more time to listen to the music

[heavy mist]

if one boss dies too fast its gg

[steep iris]

you can carry people in 5s and 6s ez

[fossil basalt]

which is 🔥 🔥 🔥

[steep iris]

if someone fucks up blaze in 9s

heh

[heavy mist]

u can murder with tsunami

[steep iris]

yea

even earthquake

[heavy mist]

suzaku ex i dunno either man

even if it gets bug fixed people still die

[steep iris]

9s is gonna be like

7s pugs

only worse cause it's the first fight of savage

[dull radish]

At least 9 is more streamlined than 7 on that regard

[steep iris]

and there will be dps that did 3k in sigma monkaS

[dull radish]

It's half the fight, halfway point, second half the fight, end of the fight

[heavy mist]

if they make it to 10

[dull radish]

And you just rotate those two chunks depending on the first mechanic

[heavy mist]

they dying to exaflare

even normal people panic at exaflare

[steep iris]

was there any changes to exaflare in savage?

[fossil basalt]

my group was planning to farm suzaku for weapons before trying 9. is that a mistake?

[heavy mist]

looks like its coupled with extra mechs

and possibly faster? i duno

[quick verge]

it's not a mistake

[heavy mist]

gl farming suzaku

[dull radish]

Farming primal first is only a mistake if it means not clearing a fight this week that you would have otherwise

[heavy mist]

if u havent cleared

[steep iris]

i think im just gonna do suzaku on weekend

[dull radish]

I might try to get it done tonight or tomorrow night, myself

Would be nice to have weapon by next raid day on Friday

[steep iris]

i suck at the simon says mech

well, pretty much every mech this tier

latitudinal? longitudinal? starboard? larboard?

those things are like my biggest weakness

[heavy mist]

lol

ACT triggers bby

[steep iris]

only reason why i could do it in tsukuyomi was cause bRIGHT blade

[heavy mist]

CACTBOT 😛

[steep iris]

but act doesnt work Q_Q

[heavy mist]

yeah lol

[steep iris]

that being said im def gonna get it

cause i literally can't figure out whether it's left or right quick enough

WHY DO THEY USE WEIRD TERMS

[dull radish]

Unfortunate haha. It is a bit dumb, at least on the larboard/starboard part, but it's generally not too bad

I just remember it as Larboard = L = Left

[steep iris]

ooo that's a good way to go about it

[dull radish]

Yeah haha

And the other one is decidedly just "not left"

[quick verge]

when omega has to use outdated phrases to win

omega weapon my ass

[dull radish]

Longitude/latitude I just think about it like on a map haha

[steep iris]

ffxiv is an educational game

first math now vocab

[dull radish]

But I could come to with stuff like that for it too

[steep iris]

yeah, i can kinda remember latitude with lateral

but when it's longitude it takes a while for my dumb brain to process

[quick verge]

l
o
o
o

ngitude

[dull radish]

Long like tall person so vertical. Lat like fat so wide so horizontal. But generally if you remember one, most think of the other as not the one you remember

That usually works for me

[heavy mist]

just make some flash cards

and study

[last galleon]

in JP client it's just

horizontal and vertical

LOL

[steep iris]

yoshida is my teacher

[quick verge]

jp is cheating tbh

[last galleon]

decrease difficulty of mechanics, just play on JP

same deal with tsuku's swords

just left and right

and temple of fist with port and starboard

[heavy mist]

everything is easy when u have cactbot

and act triggers

[dull radish]

I haven't used triggers in so long

Well I've never personally used them

Just someone in my group has

But that was like, ucob for nael

Was the last time

[steep iris]

how about a stone sky sea type of instance but only for practicing starboard/larboard + flips

[heavy mist]

thats probably when u need to

unless u can read JP

[quick verge]

ucob nael is cheating

[last galleon]

i never use act triggers since >PS4 inferior race< but JP client makes things a lot easier

also i think the main addition to exaflare in savage is that you need to stack for ahk morn when exaflares are going off

[junior quartz]

o11s doesn't look as. . . hard as I thought he would've been ( ._.)

[heavy mist]

u mean 11n?

[quick verge]

can we do # strat for fists

[junior quartz]

no, savage one

haven't done it myself yet but he doesn't look as hard as 7s

[fast dagger]

Is there a link of discord invites to class specific discords somewhere?

[last galleon]

i dunno if there are class specific discords...the balance has class channels if you want resources/advice specific to your job

[junior quartz]

. . . actually nvm o11s 2nd phase is quite messed up near the end.

holy shit lol

[quick verge]

2nd pancreas?

[fast dagger]

The balance I forgot about that discord , thank you for reminding me!

[heavy mist]

was gonna kiten

like have u seen that part 👀

[junior quartz]

seen

not played

as you said

pretty much everyone playing savage right now is people who can afford crafted gears

[dull radish]

You'd be surprised

Most folks doing Savage right now probably have little to no crafted gear. It's more folks that are more serious about prog for later floors that you start to see more of it. Or those with crafter friends or can craft their own stuff

[junior quartz]

well you first have to get to 370 in order to even fight 9s

pretty sure the iL is even higher for 11 onwards

what I have yet to know is, how many people have got to more than 370 since the release of 4.4

[dull radish]

You don't need 370

Premades ignore min ilvl requirement

[junior quartz]

wut

now i didn't know that

[quick verge]

having previous tier bis is a nice start for o9s

[fossil basalt]

nobody uses Raid Finder outside of Japan

[junior quartz]

because asians actually know how to be as organized as an ant colony so they don't need to depend on statics qq

[quick verge]

ok but have you seen jp strats

[junior quartz]

no

[quick verge]

ok then

keep it that way

[junior quartz]

that's what the inline implies

[heavy mist]

theres people who ran 9s with i360 wpns....

not that theyve cleared but its p sad 👀

[quick verge]

i saw somebody with swallow's compass and 350 crafted gear in my o9s practice party

[fossil basalt]

i mean, at least it was a practice party

[junior quartz]

you mean pfs aren't restricting players below 365?

[fossil basalt]

i had a guy join our clear attempt pary for godka

without having ever even cleared clown

[steep iris]

i mean you can try to pug it below i370

[quick verge]

damn

[dull radish]

You'll ideally want 370 or higher yeah, but I'm just saying it's not a strict requirement. It's also not hard to hit even without crafted gear

[steep iris]

chances are you won't make the dps check

because ilvl is a big part of dps

[normal mesa]

So, for pugging 9s, goin' in at 370, how Bad is that for a DPS tho

like just to get some experience tho

[steep iris]

that's fine

it's the rec ilvl

[normal mesa]

I've brokered a deal with a buddy to get some gear for some indentured servitude to her lol

but that'll be later this week

[quick verge]

you can get like 373 this week without crafted

without savouge

[normal mesa]

ye already snagged my drops from normal mode, almost got capped on genesis etc

[quick verge]

just make sure u got food n melds

[normal mesa]

will cider + melds from last tier suffice? like my uwu stuff?

for now?

for 9s i mean?

[heavy mist]

thats fine

people cleared in i370 anyways using BIS from sigma

with time to spare

[normal mesa]

sweet

im average at best so my goal for this week is simply 9s

[heavy mist]

yeah should be good

[normal mesa]

that and wifebirb

stats on that book are yummy

[vapid tangle]

I cleared the bird ex o3o

[heavy mist]

grats

now farm it

[quick verge]

get 7 more runs without getting yeeted on

[vapid tangle]

but my weapon dropped first run

[quick verge]

get 98 runs for the mount in 5.0

😏

[junior quartz]

is eureka maxed weapon already obsolete compared 380 crafted weapons?

[steep iris]

higher ilvl is almost always better

[heavy mist]

yes

[steep iris]

but it's not unusable

[heavy mist]

it was obsolete last patch anyways

if u had diamond

excluding WHM

[dull radish]

Nah including WHM

[junior quartz]

But what about that 5 slot meldable materia? ( ._.)

[heavy mist]

well cause WHM used uh tome

[dull radish]

Some sets did, most didn't

[heavy mist]

guide lied to me

[dull radish]

But pagos WHM weapon is poorly statted too, if I recall correctly

[steep iris]

low piety set is tome, high piety is diamond

but the difference was minimal anyway

[vapid tangle]

We talking about wiping at 0.2%

That's where the weapon difference would have mattered.

[dull radish]

Likely wouldn't even have mattered at 0.2% either

[steep iris]

yeah

we're talking about like under 10 dps increase

[vapid tangle]

It's all about the 99 parse.

[dull radish]

It's not even about 99 parse haha

[vapid tangle]

In happy with my 75 parse.

[lyric summit]

act patch up endgame legends

[quick verge]

poggers

TIME TO GET MY GREY PARSES

i can finally ascend

[whole kestrel]

Does someone have the recommended loot order for normal raid for each week ? I returned recently and don't really know what I should roll on

[stable basin]

I did chain-bolt-crank-crank for belt acc and hands

[azure hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/54khen/alexander_the_creator_weekly_loot_order/

This should still apply

[whole kestrel]

Ok I see there are a lot of options, is Ninja Crit / Direct Hit oriented still ?

[heavy mist]

yes

[whole kestrel]

Ok thanks

Sad, no crit / direct hit on any normal gear 😦

[quick verge]

i do like how i can use ultimatum instead of provoke

because im a pld main btw

special bitch coming through

[quick verge]

what the fuck was that

[pine summit]

?

[south dagger]

does anyone have the 4.4 crafting info of rotation and min needed yet?

[hexed iris]

speaking of PLD , they are beast, healer left at last boss in Saint Mocianne's Arboretum (Hard) and we DPS died at like 80% and PLD solod it

[fringe granite]

You need 1650 craftsmanship and 1600 control

[last galleon]

@south dagger this doc has everything you need https://docs.google.com/document/d/15FwMSCEhQg9042NqUtptJ8XW_iLHtU--lhld410tqrI/preview#

[south dagger]

ty

[junior quartz]

I swear to god I've never felt the need of lowering the effects outside alliance raids

till suzaku

everything's so damn shiny it hurts

[quick verge]

having to change camera for ddr.phase

[unreal flax]

Has anyone acquired the SSS Dummy HP?

NVM. I forgot I could do it lol

MAN WTF. NIN is fucked on dummies. O8S dummy DPS requirement: 5311dps. O9S: 5626dps. Literally a 300dps increase. Meanwhile, going from O4S to O5S: 4506 vs 4675.

[wet stag]

@unreal flax can you help me get the drk one?

[unreal flax]

I can't. I don't have DRK at 70 yet. I just turned on the ACT overlay that shows enemy HP lol

Went to SSS and actually activated the dummy lol

[wet stag]

Ah damn

[unreal flax]

As an aside, for NIN, the final dummy has a 6371dps requirement lol

[wet stag]

Time to git gud

[quick verge]

6371

[unreal flax]

Pretttty much

[quick verge]

um?

excuse me what the fuck

[unreal flax]

Yeah. It has 1,146,717HP. 180s to kill it.

Basically, if you're NIN, forget about that dummy until you're i400 lol

Like, I know NINs can hit that much already, but when NINs hit that much, they're usually in a party, which often grants Dex bonus, using food, using pots, and raid buffs. Solo? I haven't seen it lol

[rapid sapphire]

I don't want to know the caster dummy dps requirement. I can barely sustain 5k (rdm) FeelsBadMan

[quick verge]

are we gonna be pulling tank 6k dps and blm/sam 9k dps

[lyric summit]

i got the smn o12s dummy to 3% in i370 with some lucky akh morn direct crits

[wet stag]

Purple tanks are gonna be doing almost 5k this patch

The gods like raffter and mox might get to 6k

Also don't forget raffter got 7k on 5s on war lul

[quick verge]

padding

[wet stag]

Well yeah

[quick verge]

war aoe is a special type of fucked

[wet stag]

But it's funny

[lyric summit]

smn sss is 6885

[quick verge]

anyone know pld

[lyric summit]

4424

[wet stag]

Drk?

[quick verge]

4424 for o12?

[steep iris]

6885?

wtf?

[lyric summit]

4430 for drk o12s

[wet stag]

Oh

That's doable with gear

What's 9s?

[lyric summit]

idk check yourself i'm too lazy to change job, reload, memorize 6 digits, do the math and report back 😬

[wet stag]

I cant

I'm at work lol

That's why I'm askin

[quick verge]

op class

just gotta discover how to not get your uptime screwed in o12s

looks like the game wants you dead when you fail mechanics

999999 damage btw

[normal mesa]

i'm pleased to see it being so difficult

it means that me, a rather casual raider, will have to put a lot of time and effort into it over the next few months

and while i sit and struggle with it, I'll hear less of the really amazing hardcore people whinging about how easy it was. A small balm for my admittedly fragile self confidence lmfao

[quick verge]

don't worry if the wf doesn't take 35 days minimum it'll be too easy

/s

[normal mesa]

lmfao

but yeah

regardless, from what i've seen, it looks challenging and that makes me happy

nope not yet

none REPORTED at least yeah

the fights look gorgeous....

-cough- chaos excluded

[stable basin]

Are there new mechanics

By that I mean no Alexander + argath thadalfus

[unreal flax]

There are some interesting mechanics, but very little I'd say is outright new. O10S has some interesting cast animations for the mechanics, but ultimately, the mechanics are all handled the same as they have been since time immemorial. You know, inside the boss, outside max melee, spread for targeted AoEs, etc. From what I've seen of O11S, there are definitely some new mechanics as well.

[wet stag]

O9 seems alright

The orbs bit reminds me of maimai lmao

[unreal flax]

I've only done O9-12N and O9 looks like a really fun fight, so I'm looking forward to sticking my toes into savage

[quick verge]

o10 exaflare made me sweat tbh

was expecting 30 puddles

[unreal flax]

Nah, I usually go in weeks late, but I won't be doing that this time around.

[lyric summit]

mine's stuck in uwu until we clear

everyone's bored to death of it but we're past suppression so almost there, got to enrage with 1 tank alive today

[quick verge]

just clear it then

[lyric summit]

hopefully tomorrow 💪

[quick verge]

scream at your screen

new bard tech

[junior quartz]

about to explode on a suzaku ex practice party

wat to expecc

[wet stag]

Death

[junior quartz]

i cri

tfw

plenty of people are still pf'ing o8s

there's even a couple practice ones in there lol

[wet stag]

Gratz uwu JP down

[junior quartz]

how do I deal with the birds?

they don't seem to be beatable . -.

[wet stag]

Idk I haven't done it yet lol

[junior quartz]

nvm got it

[vapid tangle]

Today I cleared suzuka ex, got my weapon and cleared O9S

With the most fun and best raid group I ever got from PF

We took like 2 and a half hour to get him down but instead of ragequitting after 2,3 wipes like normal pf parties do we motivated each other.

[wet stag]

Hopefully I can get my weapon soon lol

[vapid tangle]

Haven't had that much fun with a random group before.

[wet stag]

Gonna try for first clear of suzaku today

[vapid tangle]

Yea i dies suzuka First too.

[wet stag]

Then farm on weekends probs

[vapid tangle]

Mechanic wise suzuka is harder.

[wet stag]

Damn seriously?

[vapid tangle]

But enrage is way tighter in O9S

[wet stag]

Time to carry w my tank dps

Lmao

[vapid tangle]

So right now I would say suzuka is easier.

[lyric summit]

suzaku's not super hard once you see the patterns

[vapid tangle]

But once you got the new good gear

O9s will be easier by a longshot

You literally need to make either 2 or 3 steps for the colors

[junior quartz]

http://prntscr.com/kwgvvs

[[[chong intensifies]]]

[lyric summit]

it's just clockwise

[junior quartz]

. . .

this shit screams

NO DPS ALLOWED

b0rd goes through the kanji pretty damn quickly

[wet stag]

What job?

[crystal mulch]

but

during this mech there isn't any other mech is there

i didn't do ex yet o.o

[lyric summit]

sometimes there's knockback and once there's tether forced march

[junior quartz]

nin

so no tcj spam

qq

[crystal mulch]

ah i see

servers are in ottawa right? or is it frankfurt

[lyric summit]

EU servers are probably in frankfurt, NA on the west coast

[vapid tangle]

Later on you get mechanics while colors

Big laser attack and 4 people marked for aoe dmg + colors then forced March + colors then knockback + colors then Tank Buster which takes half the map + colors.

All happening in one run.

Bird does 2 instead of one circle in that phase.

[junior quartz]

got to it

actually just got to the 2nd bird trigger

she does a raid wide attack in the middle of the first

but just how many times does she use that move

[lucid karma]

EU should be frankfurt

NA is in CA, USA

[vapid tangle]

Germany fuck yes!

[lucid karma]

JP is.. I dunno prob Japan

[vapid tangle]

Maybe Tokio.

Sounds like a possibility.

The headquarter of square is there, after all

[lucid karma]

Location doesn't matter that much in Japan unless its in tiny island cluster

[lyric summit]

@junior quartz how many bird patterns? it's double 8pattern - double 8pattern - double 4pattern - i think a double 8pattern, but if you see a 4th one your party dps really sucks

[vapid tangle]

That's wrong

Double 8 double 8 four times 4 double 8

[pure yoke]

18 hours of raiding today

[junior quartz]

i haven't made it past the 2nd one

qq

[regal halo]

@pure yoke How was it?

Up to?

[pure yoke]

O12S Gatekeeper enrage

[regal halo]

That's good

[vapid tangle]

Sounds like they actually want you to get the gear from the content before completely clearing the content.

[pure yoke]

tier been cleared

[vapid tangle]

I'm happy that I managed to clear O9S today .-.

Don't scare me with O12S already.

I will come back to it in....4 months

[junior quartz]

k so i'm starting to understand how ex works

patterns are the same, but the colors change nonetheless

or rather, they change per round

[pure yoke]

but yeah

fun tier so far

[pseudo valley]

is it just me or is suzuki harder tha tsyuki

an hour in and we only got to phase 3

[stable basin]

Feels harder to execute

[lyric summit]

it is harder, tsuku is like the 2nd easiest extreme after byakko

[boreal edge]

@pseudo valley easy to do mistakes there

[lyric summit]

doesn't mean they're hard hard tho

[boreal edge]

mechanics are simple

but too punishing

[pseudo valley]

nah, I am just saying I had tsyuki cleared in like 2 hours of prog

[boreal edge]

suzaku is almost HW EX level difficulty

[pseudo valley]

from pugs

[boreal edge]

HW EX usually took 3+ hours

ofc depending on party

[lyric summit]

zurvan ex world first on 4th pull

[boreal edge]

they were i270

in i250 content

[lyric summit]

ye but there's like 2 mechanics in that fight

like in tsuku

[pseudo valley]

so you are saying dont get discouraged at only getting to phase 3 in an hour?

[boreal edge]

also zurvan was stupid easy

yes

you skip half zurvan

with good dps

[lyric summit]

it's easy once you figure out the patterns and how to handle them @pseudo valley

[stable basin]

Phase 3 is after color wheel?

[lyric summit]

it's hard if server takes a shit on you and the bird skips a colour for no reason

[pseudo valley]

its color wheel

p1 is bird, 2 is human, 3 is color wheel

[boreal edge]

its always same order

just

changes where bird spawn

[lyric summit]

it's clockwise, anticlockwise, or 12344321

[stable basin]

Yeah I wouldn't be disappointed not passing color wheel in an hour

[pseudo valley]

ok

once you get order down its easy?

[boreal edge]

dont do merry go round at clockwise/anticlockwise

like many baddies doing it

just learn the timing to move to fire area

stand on 4th color

go to 3rd fire color

[lyric summit]

i don't get how to do forced march + colours still

[boreal edge]

then go to 5th

@lyric summit edge of 4th

[pseudo valley]

so 345?

[boreal edge]

you will go to 2nd

as 3rd explode

@pseudo valley yes

you wont get fire again on 5th

so you barely move

@pseudo valley 2nd set can change

depending on where the mt faces phantom flurry

its better to bait phantom flurry at 2nd color

but most mts block that side by it

as they go there before it

you can go to 4th still tho

as u got 3 - 4 secs?

before 1st color explode

[pseudo valley]

ok, thanks

[junior quartz]

explaining colors is hard

someone had to put a marker on me lol

and someone stole my afk spot at rhalgr

[boreal edge]

fight is easy just its too punishing to mistakes

[outer flame]

Omnicron gear is the same visually as Omega gear right? Its just that Omega Gear is dyable?

[junior quartz]

it's uh

[boreal edge]

yes

[junior quartz]

fairly hard i'd say

[outer flame]

oh ok good

Cause I absolutely love the look of the gear this tier

[junior quartz]

tiresome to get used to but pretty fun once you do

[boreal edge]

i had to beg to join farm pf

cause all kill pfs are fake