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quick verge
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๐Ÿ˜”

paper solstice
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Should I use the blackest night on cooldown?

heavy mist
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no

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if u dont know how to use it well

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just use it on tank busters

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@paper solstice

scenic patrol
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Using it on CD is a bad habit

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Using it only on busters is also a bad habit

torn kindle
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Use it when you know it will break.

scenic patrol
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Nah

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Still falls under using on CD

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And will make for shit blood management

paper solstice
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My current thought is use it when blood is <50, rampart for auto, dark mind and shadow wall for tankbuster, reprisal for aoe

scenic patrol
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TBN should be paired with CDs for busters

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It's a freaking free Thrill of Battle ffs

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Also you need to know which damage type the buster is for DM

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Since it only mitigates magical

paper solstice
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Ye the magical part always get me, if it look like an elemental attack i just assume its magical

scenic patrol
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Yeah judging by visuals is fine

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Most of the time it's correct

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A buster where the boss physically smacks you is physical

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But Byakko does it with a ball of energy

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So it's magical

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Godka does some weird shit with UE though

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Visually it should be magical but it's physical

torn kindle
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It gets even messier when you find out that Darkness damage exists.

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AKA damage that ignores most mitigation

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unless it's generic damage mitigation

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Or was it generic damage reduction on the boss?

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it's not very clear.

quick verge
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what

scenic patrol
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Darkness ignore damage type mitigation

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Generic mitigation is fine

quick verge
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so what attacks are darkness

torn kindle
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seemingly random

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or it's not clear at all

scenic patrol
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In Sigma?

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Only Prey from O7S

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Iirc

torn kindle
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There's also some split damage that completely ignores mitigation like Rampart unless it makes you immune.

boreal edge
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its random which is darkness attack

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need act to track

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ifrit cleave breath for example is darkness
despite it looks fire

scenic patrol
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I dunno if to say it's random is correct

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But there are no guiding visuals

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For it

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Need parsing

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Wonder how long will act be broken for in this patch?

boreal edge
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its not easy to fight a damage is darkness or not without depth testing or just ACT

scenic patrol
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My guess is 2 days

torn kindle
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it usually gets updated within the week of patch

boreal edge
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it was down for almost 1 week in 4.2

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wait nvm

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thats fflogs

scenic patrol
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Feels like being blind when act is fucked

boreal edge
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parseless suzaku

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ugh

paper solstice
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Is it easy for endgame healer to heal from 1% to 100%?

boreal edge
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its easy

scenic patrol
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Depends

boreal edge
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but most endgame healers dont like it

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topping ppl means overhealing

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and overhealing mean less dps

scenic patrol
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You can heal that amount in a single GCD

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If it crits with some healing buffs

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But normally

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It requires some CDs

torn kindle
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!action benediction

storm frostBOT
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**Benediction** : lvl 50 White Mage (180 second cooldown)

Restores all of a target's HP.

torn kindle
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:P

quick verge
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just coordinate healing

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๐Ÿ˜

boreal edge
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@torn kindle instantly kills the target - 4.0

paper solstice
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I get nervous and I pop living dead

boreal edge
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wait bene is 3 mins cd now?

paper solstice
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when

torn kindle
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since 4.0 ๐Ÿ˜›

scenic patrol
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During trash pulls

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You can heal yourself out of LD

torn kindle
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Most healers panic the instant you pop it and don't even let you hit 1 HP

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...Me included. >.>

scenic patrol
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I only panic when it comes unannounced

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LD is a shit emergency CD

boreal edge
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unless its pre planned

scenic patrol
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No shit Sherlock

paper solstice
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I usually have a wait macro about about 7 second to let them know im in walking dead

quick verge
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ld GWmythiFeelsBadMan

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have a macro to announce i use it

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healer seemingly pops every cd before it activates

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epic

scenic patrol
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Pug healers are not to be trusted with LD

boreal edge
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@quick verge is it ( fuck healers im dying in 10 secs stop dpsing shitters and heal me ffs im seriously dying and we will wipe if i die )

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i dont macro my cds

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hey i provoked kefka pop in chat

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other tank shirk

quick verge
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the only cds i macro are hg ld and shirk

boreal edge
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the tank still has aggro

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look in provoke not activated

scenic patrol
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I don't see the point of a Provoke macro

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Just look at the boss, the Provoke visual is extremely easy to see

boreal edge
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had tanks complain about me not macro provoke

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told em look at aggro bar shitters

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or see provoke animation

heavy mist
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then u kick em

boreal edge
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not my party

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so i can leave

heavy mist
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then leave

boreal edge
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shirk macro is needed

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not sure what should i use of the rest of role actions

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anticipation

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convalscense

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and maybe ultimatum

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!action anticipation

storm frostBOT
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**Anticipation** : lvl 24 None (60 second cooldown)

Increases parry rate by 30%.
Duration: 20s

boreal edge
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!action clutch

storm frostBOT
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**Clutch** : lvl 0 None (0 second cooldown)
boreal edge
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hmm

scenic patrol
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Antic, Ultimatum, Conva, Silence and Stun are what I am adding

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To my usual CC

quick verge
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mts having no excuse to not bring conva for the 90k crit adlo prepull

scenic patrol
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22K

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Can only get up to 35K I think this tier

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22K is the usual Critlo

boreal edge
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idk what i will stun in savage

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but so far only ultros needed silence

quick verge
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you're going to stun the actual boss

boreal edge
scenic patrol
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For Dungeons

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Not only savage

normal mesa
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So if I can afford just ONE piece of crafted gear to start my prog on alphascape savage....weapon?

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or would it be more beneficial to get a chest or legs and get the primal weapon?

dull radish
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the latter yeah

normal mesa
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It'll be a slow start for me regardless due to tfw no static this time around so I'm not in a ridiculous rush

dull radish
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yeah, it's not a big deal

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especially the first two fights, ilvl requirement and difficulty is usually lax enough

normal mesa
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and then plan my normal mode tokens around whichever crafted chest/leg i don't get

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I mean i managed the first two fights in worse gear last tier, so I hope that with current bis it'll make the first two fights even easier than the last two were

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just....pf tho lol

scenic patrol
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Skip crafted then if you are pugging tbh, just get the suzaku weapon and try to beat O9 and O10 first week

dull radish
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yeah pretty much

normal mesa
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I just figure like, IF I went with that

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like...I'm not particularly confident in pf lol

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'every little bit helps' feeling idk

quick verge
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throw your face at pf until you clear

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and make sure to learn every jank strat you see

normal mesa
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i just hope i can

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my schedule this week is also jank lol

quick verge
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quit job

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pf until you lose your home

normal mesa
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not job stuff lol

heavy mist
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quit job for world prog

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just like some wow players

quick verge
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what the fuck

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i don't have any of those classes leveled

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primal

torn kindle
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Not double DRK

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shame

quick verge
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yeah make it double drk ๐Ÿ˜ก

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then you'd have to make it double pld ๐Ÿ˜

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when do servers go down

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o

pure yoke
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9 hours

scenic patrol
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Should be double DRK

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I agree

normal mesa
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@heavy mist if it was just a job that could be planned around lol but it's fam stuff

heavy mist
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oh

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rip

quick verge
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that is so sad

scenic patrol
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Wew

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You need to get up to 4.2 before you can start four lords

steady pebble
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ye

scenic patrol
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I think my static will either do O9S and O10S or Suzaku

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No idea which

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But I'll probably need to farm it on my own

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Anyhow

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At least I am already over geared for it due to previous tier BiS

quick verge
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can't wait for the day 1 trap parties

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๐Ÿ˜”

scenic patrol
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I am shit at progging blind

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So hopefully someone will be able to make sense out of Suzaku quickly

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But world first statics probably won't even touch that trial

quick verge
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they'll 1 shot suzaku

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and then world first o12s

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๐Ÿ˜

pure yoke
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they didn't touch the primals last tier

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since you have crafted 350

scenic patrol
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They have no reason to

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Heck some statics progged so fast they cleared most of the tier without the crafted sets

fossil basalt
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do we know what ilvl suzaku's weapon will/might be?

scenic patrol
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Yes

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Like usual

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385

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10 above previous BiS

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Same WD as crafted

quick verge
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so like

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while they're in raid

scenic patrol
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Depends on the formula

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But probably not higher WD

quick verge
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do they just have their crafter/gather monkeys melding/gathering shit

scenic patrol
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Pretty much

pure yoke
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yes

vital cypress
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I think Ballon was +1?

scenic patrol
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My FC lead just quit the FC to help a world prog team

vital cypress
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Byakko

scenic patrol
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While he crafts this shit

pure yoke
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only if you are a caster

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if you are physical

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it's no WD increase

vital cypress
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thanks autocorrect

scenic patrol
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He's going to make some bank before coming back

paper solstice
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how hard is dun scaith?

elder lark
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depends on how dumb your group is

lyric summit
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definitely the hardest out of the lvl 60 24mans

quick verge
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deathgaze is pretty deadly

paper solstice
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I'm going to go in blind

scenic patrol
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Probably gonna die to a lot of mechs

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Especially first boss fight

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And scathach

lyric summit
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and diabolos

paper solstice
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I'll just follow what everyone is doing

scenic patrol
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Death glaze and Scathach will be the fights he is most likely to die in my opinion

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Diablos Hollow in 3rd place

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Dying to clown though

vital cypress
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IM A DPS IM HELPING

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-flips a bunch of the element circles to the wrong color-

heavy mist
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dont get me started

fossil basalt
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Death Glaze

vital cypress
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see also: belias

fossil basalt
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but is it a tasty glaze?

heavy mist
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at least for belias theres like 4 options

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for the 4

fossil basalt
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and 3 of them are correct

torn kindle
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one of them hurts a ton of people

fossil basalt
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so it's easier for the morons to get it right, bless them

paper solstice
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An hour later still queing ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

blissful solstice
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@paper solstice for what? And what data center

paper solstice
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lamia, finally completed it though

steep iris
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how many materia V do I need for pentamelding accs on average?

torn kindle
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wildly depends on RNG

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is this just for one slot or all 5 accessories?

stable basin
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About 250 expected for all 5

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idk what the variance is

torn kindle
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If it's all 5 slots then I would say 200+ for average luck

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more if your unlucky

steep iris
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5 accs

torn kindle
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200-300+ is probably enough

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depends a lot on how lucky you are.

silver skiff
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i know that people probably wont be bothering with sigma savage after this patch, but is there a chance i could even do kefka savage even after this patch even tho people will be focused on alphascape?

torn kindle
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not much of a reason to do Sigmascape savage once Alphascape comes out

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except for glamour

full wave
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There will be a content lull at some point. I'm sure there will be groups then.

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Pre Expansion blues drives people to all sorts of things

stable basin
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Can't wait for door kefka enrage with i400 gear

silver skiff
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ok got it

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yeah that would be great

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should i attempt to do alphascape savage or hold off until the first clears and a strat's been established?

full wave
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Go for it

fossil basalt
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do what you want

full wave
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Jump right in if you want and learn with everyone else

silver skiff
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im sure they'll be party finders for this kind of stuff starting patch

fossil basalt
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the pf is gonna be completely flooded for the first few weeks

stable basin
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I hope hot birb ex gets a consistent pug strat nailed down sooner than moonbitch

silver skiff
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holy tsuki i cant even clear with some parties

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is it true that a lot of people are getting a mixed bag of parties rushing to get ilvl 370 for patch?

lost mulch
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people are unsubbed

stable basin
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I haven't pugged it super recently but that wouldn't surprise me

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Post savage unlock there were still plenty of good parties though

silver skiff
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i think i pugged most of my savages but it took hecka long cause bad groups

stable basin
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In 4.4 they'll probably all be good because people will just be going for doggos

silver skiff
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alright!

stable basin
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Well, pf

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so not all

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But most?

silver skiff
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most?

stable basin
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Not every tsuku ex party will be good because it's party finder, but the rate of good parties will be significantly higher

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probably

steady pebble
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pf is always going to run the risk of a bad group

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but generally the earlier it is in the tier/content, the better the groups are likely to be

silver skiff
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im sure reddit will keep track of any possible strats that show up in other groups while people are progging

stable basin
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Worst comes to worst, make your own pf with your preferred strat listed or join the ones with the strat you like

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And hope it becomes the dominant one

silver skiff
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alphascape is gonna be great and i really hope pagos starts to pick up

stable basin
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hope u meant to say pyros there

cursive spear
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pagos will pick up if pyros is any good paissasquint

fossil basalt
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ugh i've pretty much ignored eureka entirely in favor of getting everything to 70

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not looking forward to grinding through three locations in a row

cursive spear
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i'm willing to do it if pyros is actually good, but i'm not betting on that being the case. it's supposed to be more anemos-like than pagos, but not quite anemos

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logos could be cool

lost mulch
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i betting pyros have tankier enemy

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and 100 dragon placed everywhere

boreal edge
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quality of tsuki EX in pug meanwhile

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since you guys talked about it

scenic patrol
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That looks like a party that barely cleared O1S

boreal edge
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o1s need 19k rdps

heavy mist
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and practically dummy fight

blazing pelican
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Literally all the DPS doing 3k and one of the tanks parked comfortably in tank stance could clear that check

boreal edge
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well tsuki dps check is around 23k iirc

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that clear we were 16 secs away from enrage

kindred merlin
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I can't even clear Tsuku EX since most of the pugs can't do the meteors correctly lmao

scenic patrol
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I just hope that Suzaku is puggable

boreal edge
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suzaku will be as puggable as byakko was

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cleared in 6 - 7 pulls

scenic patrol
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When does maint end?

boreal edge
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i forgot

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24 hours

scenic patrol
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7 am ST?

boreal edge
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same time it starts

scenic patrol
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Wednesday?

stable basin
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26 hours from now

scenic patrol
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Oh

boreal edge
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10 am gmt

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idk whats that in st

scenic patrol
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So 12 am

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Hmmmmm

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ST is the same as GMT iirc

boreal edge
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heard its gmt+1

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but i cant confirm that

scenic patrol
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I have two hours difference with st

boreal edge
plain axle
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Server time is for some bizarre reason Europe/London so it changes twice a year

nocturne badger
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Unrelated, isn't Europe going to stop the time change and go with one time zone?

fossil basalt
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it's been proposed

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nothing's been confirmed yet

azure hill
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Considering the logistics of it, I would expect to see it implemented within the next decade either

brittle turtle
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wait, so this isn't actually real?

versed hound
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What i have heard its pretty much fix.

azure hill
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Woah

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If they can pull it off that fast, that's impressive

brittle turtle
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the earliest it'll come into play is probably 2020 isn't it

nocturne badger
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Software will have to make adjustments to this update as well. We're in a tech world now

brittle turtle
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after all it says till april for states to decide and the clocks change come march

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anyway going to stop since anymore discussion will derail

fringe granite
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It already has

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This is a general chat topic

fossil basalt
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ur mum's a general chat topic

fringe granite
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And you're 30

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Your mom jokes are dead

fossil basalt
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jokes can't die

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they aren't alive

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just like ur mum

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boom, roasted

paper solstice
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Should I use clemency to assist my healer friends?

fossil basalt
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kinda depends

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usually no, unless they're having a lot of trouble with a specific mechanic

steep iris
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no

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it might help in prog, but ideally you want 0 clemency casts

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it's just not worth it in 99% of cases

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trust your healer

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if you clemency yourself when your healer can 100% handle it you're losing dps and less dps=takes longer to kill

wise basalt
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I wonder if the RDM changes really makes the AOE as potent as SMN ๐Ÿค”

lyric summit
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there's no way that could happen lmao

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the aoe changes were so tiny

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all rdm changes were pretty insignificant

dull radish
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yeahh

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it's still a cozy little buff, but it's not a whole lot, and it was coming pretty far behind in dps beforehand

lyric summit
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you can get moulinet faster by some 0.5% than before

last galleon
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RDM is a pretty solid rock bottom in terms of caster AOE potential

wise basalt
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If only acceleration also worked for enhanced scatter and that the proc would actually improve potency. Plus getting a bit more mana at base would help too

last galleon
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only time where i felt adds were dying at an acceptable speed is if i got 5x enchanted moulinets in short succession

wise basalt
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that's 100/100 mana too T_T

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Kinda makes me want to have a spell that just does more damage than scatter and doesn't rely on mana. Scatter feels like AOE jolt so shouldn't there be an AOE verthunder/veraero too?

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5.0 pls

lyric summit
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i feel like a rework into a complex job would be more useful than 4 more aoe spells and idk, verfoul for a 3 moulinet combo finisher soulsurrender

valid gate
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always clemency in prog

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it's so insanely useful

last galleon
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i feel like part of the appeal of RDM (for me at least) is the simple rotation, perfect for a turn-my-brain-off farm party kind of thing

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i have other complex jobs i can turn to if i wanted to optimize more

lyric summit
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movement's fun too

dull radish
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BLM is more fun <3

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And you get a good amount of movement on BLM

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Yeah it's not bad

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You can also just pop triple though and it's fine

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Yeah they're not that big haha

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The coziest strat is really to slidecast first one then triple after

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The worst bit often actually ends up being the movement back south after stack

shadow pollen
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MNK main foreveeer

dull radish
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Yes and no. The danger is you AM to tank and risk taking tower, or you AM to dps and still have to move a bit after the AM

wise basalt
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if you have a whm you kinda have to get back quickly for cure 3. otherwise you can go into helios range and slowly slidecast back or AM after the meteors drop

dull radish
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Yeah

lyric summit
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radiant dps wasn't added to smn pdps on fflogs anyways

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and it still applies the phys vuln so it's ok for triple melee comps

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triple physical*

dull radish
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Garuda better in an optimized fight though <3

lyric summit
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i'm too lazy to even try interacting with the pet ai outside of opener soulsurrender

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i'm good with sicfrit and low purples

dull radish
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You would still sic Garuda a good deal, if I recall correctly

vast locust
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Not before Obsidian egi. :x

quick verge
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what does summoner even do

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500 hp physick

fossil basalt
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just meld Mind in exchange for 2% of your dps

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start landing those sick 7k physicks

quick verge
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just make physick like vercure/clemency

wise basalt
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They can't just have it scale off of INT for SMN like vercure does (right?)

fossil basalt
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just play tank

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auto-max vit

vast locust
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I'm assuming materia prices are going to be crazy for a little while?

thorn bear
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how about

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don't make physick better

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don't need another + to summoner

quick verge
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add 50 potency to rdm skils

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๐Ÿ˜

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and don't let embolden have its buff degrade

fossil basalt
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what is even the point of that

pure yoke
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Should had bought your materia a month in advance

quick verge
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not for pentamelding

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hehexd

stable basin
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stock up on crit 5s for 1.5k and then dump them for 20k on patch day

quick verge
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oh cracked cluster is materia vi

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iunno

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good money though

pure yoke
quick verge
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wtf

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who are you

stable basin
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wew

pure yoke
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Someone who planned things out

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For 4.4

quick verge
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nice gil cap

steep iris
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i spent 5 mil on materia

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not even for myself

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oof

pure yoke
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I spent the last day of 4.3

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Doing God kefka

steep iris
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y

pure yoke
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For parses

steep iris
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oh

pure yoke
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!bosslogs Balmung Espresso Mug

storm frostBOT
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FFLogs Data (Boss Damage)
**Phantom Train**

Dragoon: (1/17318) [5821 DPS] [100 Historical] [5:38]
Samurai: (51/13286) [5594 DPS] [99 Historical] [6:46]
Red Mage: (2877/15147) [4311 DPS] [81 Historical] [8:06]
Warrior: (3754/20859) [3511 DPS] [82 Historical] [6:31]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Samurai: (167/11988) [7262 DPS] [99 Historical] [7:27]
Dragoon: (26/16679) [7022 DPS] [99 Historical] [6:39]
Machinist: (1829/6098) [5731 DPS] [70 Historical] [8:40]
Warrior: (2142/19475) [4778 DPS] [89 Historical] [8:47]

**Guardian**

Dragoon: (3/11543) [5956 DPS] [99 Historical] [7:56]
Samurai: (38/7495) [5896 DPS] [99 Historical] [10:36]

**Kefka**

Dragoon: (20/10311) [5968 DPS] [99 Historical] [5:57]
Samurai: (615/6156) [5944 DPS] [91 Historical] [6:40]

**God Kefka**

Samurai: (553/4610) [6681 DPS] [90 Historical] [10:52]
Dragoon: (16/8311) [6599 DPS] [99 Historical] [8:23]

**Weapon's Refrain (Ultimate)**

Dragoon: (492/758) [4623 DPS] [35 Historical] [15:22]

steep iris
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that reminds me i forgot to pad you in 6s biscuit

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oof

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8:23 killtime ๐Ÿ‘€

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is that like

pure yoke
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Had an 8:14

thorn bear
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I spent basically 3 weeks in PF

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lol

pure yoke
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As my fastest

steep iris
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before thicc trines after 3rd

thorn bear
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cause I didn't have anything else to do but do some kek runs

steep iris
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or reg trines

pure yoke
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Big tribes

steep iris
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nice ๐Ÿ‘€

thorn bear
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can't wait to pus savage as a healer

quick verge
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can't wait to pug savage

steep iris
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my fastest was 9:12 where me and nin died

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that was also my best parse

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i hate myself

thorn bear
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the most experience I have playing healer in savage is like one or two trap parties on whm and sch

pure yoke
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I did some speed this tier

quick verge
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my fastest was 9:08

steep iris
#

we had a healer lb3 too (to rez me)

#

good call cause i would've run out of mp

#

still tho soulsurrender

quick verge
#

i hope o11s isn't hard tbh

#

otherwise i'll literally die

pure yoke
#

I still expect roughly the same difficulty

#

If it turns out to be harder

#

Cool

#

But I ain't setting myself up for disappointment

quick verge
#

was midas pugged

#

or gordias

pure yoke
#

It's on a server to server basis

#

Since no cross world pf

#

Until 3.5

quick verge
#

epic

pure yoke
#

If say you were on Chocobo

#

Absolutely yes

#

If say Goblin

#

Hell no

thorn bear
#

if no cross server pf

#

I'd not be on zalera

normal mesa
#

exactly

#

cross server pf opened a lotta doors

quick verge
#

i hope not

#

makes everything harder

#

3 melee wow you got no raise/refresh

#

most people don't actually use their role actions

#

I've seen one caster

#

period

#

use apoc

#

i see feints on shit like light of judgment

#

epic

#

bards are on woke shit where they use palisade on cd for some reason

last galleon
#

casters get ready to spam erase on CD

quick verge
#

casters get ready to apoc on cd

#

esketit

#

melees too

#

conva + awareness + anticipation is gonna be fun times too

dull radish
#

It's all about that CPM padding

#

Yeah

#

Pretty sure

#

I know we did meme runs on Saturday and the BRD was doing that a bit haha

quick verge
#

pog

#

100 cpm bard

#

are you willing to acquiesce carpal tunnel

dull radish
wise basalt
#

wait, they used iron jaws more times than straight shot? Something went wrong there

lyric summit
#

doesn't even matter as long as it's not pink

dull radish
#

The BRD does the rock yeah

#

Also you should expect more Iron Jaws than Straight Shot

#

If they're snapshotting buffs properly

lyric summit
#

yeah, you should refresh dots under trick, litany, chain, everything

thorn bear
#

I never even thought of that

quick verge
#

!action straight shot

storm frostBOT
#
**Straight Shot** : lvl 2 Archer (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 140.
Additional Effect: Increases critical hit rate by 10%
Duration: 30s

thorn bear
#

using iron jaws reapplies the buff

#

like you did them normally?

#

doesn't jsut extend?

dull radish
#

It's like a reapplication

#

Not an extension

wise basalt
#

I do snapshot them to my own buffs, but I haven't given it much thought to that of others

dull radish
#

Yeah it's important for other buffs too

#

But even if it's just to your own, you'd have more Iron Jaws than Straight Shot

#

Since both the DoTs and Straight shot buff are 30s

#

But you resnapshot with IJ under buffs, so more uses

wise basalt
#

I've been timing them together so far, paying the most attention to whenever my raging strikes comes back up under wanderer's, but I guess it's gonna be even more managing handling all three timers separately

#

I also thought that when it came to debuffs on the boss the dots would automatically do more damage, but judging from what you've said that doesn't seem to be the case

lyric summit
#

if you refresh before trick and after it falls off, the dots won't get any benefit

last galleon
#

debuffs snapshot at time of application unless it's a ground effect

dull radish
#

Yeah everything needs to be applied under buffs/debuffs to take advantage

#

Yeah ground effects are dumb haha

last galleon
#

it kind of "makes sense" in that the damage isn't from an effect on the boss, but yeah the inconsistency is pretty meh

wise basalt
#

every class should have a ground effect kappa

last galleon
#

bards don't always want to double refresh under buffs but a few of them are no brainer, like double snapping battle litany + chain

wheat garnet
#

How hard would you guys rate being a good enough SCH for savage content ? (never going to do ultimate stuff)

#

Playing on Chaos while in NA is really starting to show its limits but I really don't want to stop playing with my friends during weekends.

#

So I was starting to think about making an alt

quick verge
#

not hard

#

to be passable

wheat garnet
#

TBH that's the goal I'm aiming for

#

Hopefully I'll go past that

#

But for now I'd rather aim for something relatively safe

quick verge
#

remember that your fairy has skills

#

don't instantly burn all 3 aetherflow stacks

wheat garnet
#

Since I would pay for the boost

#

Yeah. That's the biggest part I was worried about.

#

I have SCH leveled to 70 on my current char. And did a bunch of dungeons with it. But that's not really what you would call challenging content.

#

And beside the healing lazor, I always left the fairy to its own devices

#

Hmm. Is the mogstation sale supposed to end when 4.4 lauches ?

steady pebble
#

sept 24th

wheat garnet
#

Yay.

#

Because I'm not doing MSQ and SCH all over again

#

By the way, any difference between Aether and Primal one should be aware of ?

quick verge
#

one has balmung and mateus while the other doesn't

#

idk

wheat garnet
#

Being on Chaos I never really paid attention to NA servers

#

But if they're mostly the same I suppose it doesn't matter too much. Apparently they are both located in the same place

steady pebble
#

yeah, the servers are located in the same place

#

there's not much difference between the two really

#

except that it might be a bit easier to find late night parties in party finder on aether

wheat garnet
#

Why is that ? Did it become the de facto west coast server ?

steady pebble
#

balmung being the unofficial RP server and gilgamesh being touted as the 'hardcore' raiding server back in the day before cross server party finder

wheat garnet
#

Oh thanks.

torn kindle
#

Gilgamesh isn't that big anymore due to cross server PF

steady pebble
#

mhm

#

imo, having played on both datacenters i personally kind of prefer primal a bit more

#

You still get your fair share of jerks, but idk df groups seem a bit more relaxed on primal than when i was on aether ๐Ÿคท

fringe granite
#

We tend to be fairly laid back

vital cypress
#

Counterpoint: try tanking the bone dragon in LotA in the center of the room

#

Nuclear meltdowns will ensue

quick verge
#

nobody's gonna kill the adds anyway

#

no point when healers have buttons

vital cypress
#

people on primal get mad about thay

#

like really mad

steady pebble
#

I've not seen that

#

but like i said, both have their fair share of jerks

fringe granite
#

I personally stay away from the HC elitists

paper solstice
#

I notice that revive is not limited to just healers, dps (summoner) can get it to, which was surprising. What if in the next expansion paladin get a revive? It go well with their role as holy warriors and protector.

normal mesa
#

rdm and smn can raise

#

and pld (or was it gladiator?) USE TO be able to cross-class it, but only use it out of battle

steady pebble
#

i think pld could cross class it, ye

#

cos pld could also cross class protect

vital cypress
#

it'd work thematically

#

in game play terms iono

#

a revive on a particularly beefy job would be a pain to balance

quick verge
#

2.5 second raise

#

now that's epic

steady pebble
#

I don't really see it being useful on a tank, tbh

#

its always going to be a hardcast raise unless they give them some kind of swiftcast ability ponder

quick verge
#

pld swiftcast

#

how to break requiescat

paper solstice
#

Nothing wrong with extra dps ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

steady pebble
#

not really extra dps tho

#

if you're having a tank hard raise

vital cypress
#

true, I've salvaged a few runs with slow cast SMN raises though

#

and PLD is a lot more durable than SMN if it's not actively tanking

normal mesa
#

it's not a wipe until there's nobody alive who can rez

quick verge
#

it's not a wipe until the pld runs out of mp

pure yoke
#

Paladin raise aka

#

Rip req window

quick verge
#

paladin raise aka

#

instant blacklist if used

heavy mist
#

Paladin raising during req = 2x as fast

quick verge
#

that's so sad

#

not too late to swap back to smn

#

don't worry new tier

#

just blame it on fight mechanics

#

while you scream internally

vital cypress
#

uh

#

if it's the buff/nerf it's honestly like a 4% swing, mostly Fire IV being buffed

#

the SMN nerf is more annoying because it's the most half-assed bugfix in history than anything

#

๐Ÿ‘Œ

#

how much is the buff worth

#

I thought it was like a couple percent buff for BLM and a couple percent nerf to SMN

heavy mist
#

3.5% for BLM

#

2-3% rdps (not pdps) nerf

#

or so

#

maybe less?

vital cypress
#

probably towards the less

#

well, radiant is an odd ability to begin with

dull radish
#

You keep calling it a bug fix but I've never heard of there being a bug

vital cypress
#

It was in the interview a few days ago

heavy mist
#

trusting the interview

#

hardest part about this game

#

trusting YoshiP

whole kestrel
#

Hey guys, I'm torn between BRD and MCH to level, I main NIN and I have my WHM on the side but I wanna enjoy some range DPS. How do you feel about those 2 ?

vital cypress
#

basically on some bosses where abilities come from copies of the boss it wasn't applying consistently

dull radish
#

That's not a bug, that's just fight design

vital cypress
#

apparently in O4S it wasn't working at all

dull radish
#

It makes it weaker on those occasions. It does not make it a bug

paper solstice
#

@whole kestrel MCH rotation look too complicated to me at least

whole kestrel
#

@wheat gate Right

heavy mist
#

BRD is press things that light up

#

MCH is every 60seconds press similar buttons quickly

#

they both are fun in their own right

whole kestrel
#

I've checked FFLogs and I can see MCH has better DPS but BRD is more played, probably due to skill ceiling

#

I see*

#

Will 4.4 change anything ? I saw a Flamethrower buff for example

heavy mist
#

no

whole kestrel
#

Potency up from 500 to 1000

heavy mist
#

PVP

whole kestrel
#

Oups

#

I need to check some videos if you're saying it feels clunky

paper solstice
#

Is a dragoon hard to play if coming from a tank? Asking for 24 man raid and extreme primal.

elder lark
#

DRG isn't hard to play at all really

last galleon
#

As a dps youโ€™re going to have more complicated rotations than a tank tho

shadow pollen
#

^

last galleon
#

DRGโ€™s is pretty rigid so the most of the challenge comes from optimizing uptime

shadow pollen
#

especially for boss bursts

steep iris
#

all healers have to do is press 1 namazupog

last galleon
#

And occasionally 2

steep iris
#

and maybe 3

last galleon
#

Sometimes, once in a blue moon, you press 4

vital cypress
#

melee jobs are hard

shadow pollen
#

Thatโ€™s why I love melee jobs

quick verge
#

play drg

#

easy job

fossil basalt
#

do one combo

#

do the other combo

#

heavy thrust

#

repeat

quick verge
#

you hit the ctrlq ctrla 4 ctrlt ctrl1 5 6 ctrlw ctrlz ctrls ctrlf ctrld ctrle 1 ctrlr 2 ctrl2 ctrlf 3 ctrld ctrlz

fossil basalt
#

congrats, you can now drg

tardy ginkgo
#

Nonono you got it all wrong, you press elusive jump off a cliff.

#

I did this so many times on train during knockback haha

pure yoke
#

Dragoon is good

unreal flax
#

Dragoon is the best job in the game

paper solstice
#

People who MT in alliance raid, do you stay in your tank stance since there are 15 dps attacking and 6 healer dps/healing?

tired ruin
#

I usually do, yeah.

#

But I also am watching Netflix or playing my Switch.

#

So, it doesn't really matter.

paper solstice
#

Don't gotta worry about hp if there are 6 healers paissasquint

tired ruin
#

correct, and they made sure the MT didn't have to do shit for any of the bosses except for Yiazmat's slap the ground

paper solstice
#

ozma ๐Ÿ˜ฉ

stable basin
#

If you don't stay in tank stance you'll lose aggro to one of the other tanks

#

Also healers usually suck so that helps

wheat garnet
#

Yeah healers can be reaaaaaally bad

#

They watch anime too you know

#

Plus, generally speaking, alliance raids tend to be where people don't care because they don't stand out if they do nothing

tender cove
#

It's true, I alliance raid when on remote desktop because it's easier to do bad dps than a 4-man.

wheat garnet
#

RDP raiding ๐Ÿ‘Œ

lucid karma
#

MT in 24 man always assume ppl trying to take your aggro

#

So you pretty much disregard your own dps for aggro combo over and over

#

Unless you're in JP data center where half of ppl at least know what is aggro

pallid kraken
#

Iโ€™ve been in a party on jp where the mt was running on dps stance

#

A poor random brd got nuked by destroy after the construct 7 add phase

stable basin
#

when i get into new patch what's best way to get as high ilvl possible? I'm sitting at 345. I'm guessing dungeon spam for mendacity and hunts?

heavy mist
#

sell mendacity mats

#

make money

#

you might be high level enough for the 4.4 dungeon not sure

#

then yeah its pretty much farm mendacity to i355

#

and lighthouse and royal city for upgrade mats

#

so u get to i355 for alphscape

#

@stable basin

stable basin
#

unfortuantely I didn't msq to 4.3, so my dungeons are locked

heavy mist
#

oh

stable basin
#

lighthouse is still once a week?

heavy mist
#

should be lifted now

stable basin
#

nice

heavy mist
#

yeah they are

stable basin
#

im still trying to figure out how to best fill my acc...mendacity?

#

im still rocking creation which is ew

heavy mist
#

yeah mendacity probably

#

its cheap

#

u just wanna push to i355 which is hopefully alphascape minimum ilevel

#

so u get access to the weekly lockout for i380

stable basin
#

yeah i want alpha asap

heavy mist
#

did u do sigmascape already

stable basin
#

yeah

heavy mist
#

mkay good

stable basin
#

ok so hunts will be reset so i shud hunt train As and Ss for mendacity Acc?

#

and then alpha?

heavy mist
#

if people are doing em

#

most will be doing alpha

#

or duneon

#

dungeon*

#

or new primal

stable basin
#

my server has pretty active hunt trains

heavy mist
#

probably best to run roulettes

#

since roulettes give mendacity + genesis

stable basin
#

but ur rite ppl may not do it

heavy mist
#

Roulettes while doing MSQ

stable basin
#

dailies you mean?

heavy mist
#

yeah

stable basin
#

okay cool

heavy mist
#

should give u ample amount of tomes

#

hopefully

stable basin
#

haha thanks

heavy mist
#

np

stable basin
#

๐Ÿ˜ƒ

coral epoch
#

anyone have a spreadsheet for the crafting reqs of the new recipes?

rapid sapphire
#

380 weapons/equipment: Difficulty: 3728 Quality: 29591 Durability: 70

#

new ingots and the grade 4 mats: Difficulty: 2485 Quality: 21137 Dur 35

#

required Craftsmanship: 1650 Control: 1600

#

g4's are almost the same as g3 recipe wise but different water mat (new in ruby sea) and different aethersand

muted plaza
#

suzaku daggers ponder

heavy mist
#

still better than crafted

#

๐Ÿ‘€

quick verge
#

so it looks like tanks are gonna use a mix of crafted/raid gear?

normal mesa
#

always

quick verge
#

for right

#

side**

fading kite
#

Grade 6

#

Wow I wonder if the great six market for Materia will go down now

tender cove
#

Probably

fading kite
#

Well yeah probably a bit

#

Cuz that price tag just got a huge discount from yellow Scripts

coral epoch
#

Thank you! @rapid sapphire

rapid sapphire
#

for some of the new stuff it's mendacity mats

#

creation mats are still there for now

#

not sure why

inland meteor
#

Whats the gathering stats needed for new stuff ;o

stable basin
#

anyone knows where is azim spring water from xD

outer garden
#

azim steppe 23,36 8am/pm

stable basin
#

thanks Mia much apreciated

crystal mulch
#

you don't have to update ACT do you?
i'm in alphascape and it's not working

dull radish
#

Yeah you have to wait until they make an update for the new patch, not gonna work until then

fading kite
#

I'm stuck

eternal mirage
#

Rika how is the new BLM?

lyric summit
#

act patch when

dull radish
#

taken from elsewhere:

#

[02:34] Ravahn: Looks like maintenance for patch 4.4 is happening Tuesday, unfortunately Iโ€™ll be driving all day, wonโ€™t have time to start fixing anything until the evening. Apologies for the extra day of delay to the usual fixing of the ffxiv plugin.
[02:35] Ravahn: I wouldnโ€™t expect it to work until the following afternoon on the 19th.

eternal mirage
#

Ravahn is act Dec?

#

Dev

dull radish
#

yeah

eternal mirage
#

Ic

dull radish
#

also I can't play until like 9-10 hours from now

lyric summit
#

no spoilerino

eternal mirage
#

Rip

#

So you're in the same boat as me ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

unborn coyote
#

oh oops! Meant to post in lore spoilers LMAO.

opal hollow
#

i lost 4 materia doing this

#

literally

#

20s to meld this

#

lol

eternal mirage
#

Wtf

#

Jesus

opal hollow
#

yeah lol

#

took 2 tried for 5th slot

#

tries*

#

reeeeeeeeeeei went to exchange materia

eternal mirage
untold furnace
#

hi, I was wondering if there's any list of the alphasacape bosses' abilities yet or some kind of guide ?

eternal mirage
#

Unlikely for the latter

#

Think only o9s has been cleared so fat

#

Far

untold furnace
#

yeah but I mean just for the normal ones

#

to have an idea of what the fight looks like

paper solstice
#

I currently have intervention and cover macro to target <2> for mt when I ot, should I have a separate non macro for my other members? Im running out of room with all these additional role skills lol

steep iris
#

no

#

if you think you will have cases where you're gonna use intervention on a party member

#

just put the skill on the hotbar

quick verge
#

make a mouse over macro

#

<mo>

#

hover over their name with your mouse

#

hit the skill

paper solstice
#

I'm playing on console

quick verge
#

gl

winged iron
#

Anyone knows where procoptodon skins drop from?

lyric summit
#

it's a mendacity material

winged iron
#

ah thx

glossy musk
#

ACT is down everyone get Grey parses

#

Nobody will know

thorn bear
#

If someone gonna die cause I didn't intervention them

#

Then rip

#

My pld hotbar on console is already full

glossy musk
#

Add more bars, intervention is good shit

#

Intervention/TBN lets healers solo soak O4S stack marker

cursive spear
#

what's the prime mendy material to sell rn?

#

also cowboy emoji's wrecking leaderboards for world first

lyric summit
#

check your server's marketboard? it's 6 materials not that hard to check lul

cursive spear
#

oh

#

u right

thorn bear
#

๐Ÿค 

lyric summit
#

are they streaming?

thorn bear
#

No

#

Actual competitors in world race don't stream pretty sure

#

But folks like xeno will stream their prog

fossil basalt
#

they on't want to leak their strats and give other teams an edge by doing the work for them

eternal mirage
#

Makes sense

wraith spire
#

I think they video it and put it up after their clear

quick verge
#

after the race ends

blazing pelican
#

Does anyone know how the winds work outside of Cyclone

#

cause the game is not clear about it at all

stable basin
#

got a friend that has having issues with crafting macros, get an error saying "<muscle memory> is not a valid target name", anyone having macro crafting issues??

dull radish
#

Try without quotation marks or without auto-translate for the ability name, if it's being used

#

correct

stable basin
#

Ty Rika said to friend to try that

desert igloo
#

Hi, anyone have an efficient loot guide for alpha??

lyric summit
#

it's the same as all previous raid drops

#

you can look up drops from Alex gordias or sigmascape

#

it's the same for alphascape

desert igloo
#

Excellent, thanks

opal hollow
#

where do i unlock suzaku?

#

finished msq

#

went to tamamizu

#

no quests

scenic patrol
#

Four lords

#

Did you stop that quest somewhere?

opal hollow
#

no

#

hmm

scenic patrol
#

Also did you finish all the quest up to Swallow's Compass?

#

And the solo instance

#

Anyhow for duties within that quest line

#

Hell's Lid

#

Byakko

#

Swallow's Compass

opal hollow
#

yes

scenic patrol
#

Solo instance

#

Go inside Hells Lid and check

#

Through that fox

opal hollow
#

ok relogginmg

scenic patrol
#

If you have stopped the quest chain there

opal hollow
#

.

#

ok found it

#

LOL

#

dunno it just wasn't there before

lyric summit
#

dead game

stable basin
#

lmao

#

I just came to say

#

Omega is fucking beautiful

#

that is all

severe notch
#

anyone know how to get new gc rank?

leaden lava
#

@stable basin are you on the final savage floor already? ๐Ÿค”

severe notch
#

no reported 11 kills yet

leaden lava
#

oh right

#

was gonna say

#

it's a fair jump up from last tier

#

I think people are gonna be gated on 9S a lot harder than Train

severe notch
#

9 was killed faster this teir iirc

leaden lava
#

It wasn't killed faster than 5?

#

That would be nuts, its so much harder lol

#

or maybe we're just bad

severe notch
#

nope i was wrong

leaden lava
#

it has more relative HP, and harder mechanics

severe notch
#

train took an hour 20 9 took 2 hours 16

leaden lava
#

I still think pf is gonna find it a lot harder

stable basin
#

lmao im not even home yet@leaden lava

leaden lava
#

it requires you to be a bit more switched on

severe notch
#

if i clear two fights this week i'll be happy

stable basin
#

A friend showed me though

leaden lava
#

also 10 vs 6 is SO much more of a jump

severe notch
#

yea

leaden lava
#

6 was a fucking retardedly easy fight compared to this

severe notch
#

6 took an hour

#

9 took 2

leaden lava
#

6 vs 10

severe notch
#

opps

leaden lava
#

tho XD

severe notch
#

10

#

my bad

leaden lava
#

again, pf are gonna find it a lot harder

severe notch
#

it is

leaden lava
#

so far so good

shadow pollen
#

Yeah looks like it

#

Canโ€™t wait for Monday Part Farming Hell

severe notch
#

i got all my parts in 4 runs today

#

i'm happy

scenic patrol
#

O9 is basically Guardian

#

But first fight

#

Excellent gate keeper

severe notch
#

yea it is

scenic patrol
#

The tier is fantastic tbh so far

#

Aside from right and left laser swords from O11

leaden lava
#

did you get the minion tho? XD

scenic patrol
#

Not yet

#

I'll get eventually

#

No rush

#

Heck it should drop in savage as well

severe notch
#

no i didn't get minion

leaden lava
#

for prog? no

opal hollow
#

can anyone explain the first mechanic of suzaku ex to me

#

im seriously lost

lyric summit
#

which one

#

the raid aoe or the tank buster

scenic patrol
#

Probably the feathers

#

Basically you get 4 dps players targeted by purple markers

#

Those revive the birbs

#

Whole there are feathers in the entire arena

#

Clear small feathers

#

To create safe spots

#

And then each dps will be assigned to a single add

#

To bait into the safe spot and kill it there outside the feather explosion

lyric summit
#

why does the bird skip some of the lanterns soulsurrender

opal hollow
#

oooh i see

scenic patrol
#

Also they tether into each other

#

So each dps needs to take the add into a seperate safe spot

#

Safe spots are either cardinal or inter cardinal

opal hollow
#

oh what

#

so like they can be picked up

#

by other people?

scenic patrol
#

Nah

#

Tether to each other

#

And getting buffed

#

Not aggro

opal hollow
#

oooh

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okay gotcha

waxen ether
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Should I stay as SAM or do I just go for an another class for mid core raiding?

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Cuz even if I dps well, I feel that I don't contribute as much in the team

dull radish
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you'll be fine on SAM

burnt bay
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just ask the rest of the group

dull radish
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especially in more midcore groups, if you know what you're doing, you can end up being very valuable

burnt bay
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if you are set on utility (raises or what not), you should be fine

dull radish
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since as you move further down in skill, buff alignment and synergy isn't as good in groups, and personal dps can carry more

waxen ether
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We do have an RDM and a SMN for raising so we just need a buffer and my friend is lvling his BRD as we speak

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Overall I am a good SAM, just that I feel that I don't contribute as much as like a good MNK and stuff LOL

dull radish
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I dunno if you're better at SAM, especially in a double caster comp, you're probably better off staying as SAM than MNK

waxen ether
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Decent is what I was looking for LOL

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Yeah true, I am willing to learn other classes though

dull radish
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well, it doesn't hurt to try other stuff if you want. It's not going to make a real big difference either way. Just preferably don't swap off of a STR dps if you don't have another one in your group. DRG would benefit your group most with that comp, but you can clear content fine with you staying on SAM

scenic patrol
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Heck if they don't have a war staying on SAM is ideal

dull radish
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true

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I forget that's a thing that can happen haa

waxen ether
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We do have a WAR actually, just a new person willing to learn it

scenic patrol
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I am always happy to help coach Warriors

waxen ether
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Was thinking of going being a goon actually, I heard its much slower than SAM is

dull radish
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well, no haste buff, you don't stack sks

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so yeah it's gonna be a bit slower

scenic patrol
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Goon also avoids SkS like the Plague

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So yeah

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Overall it's much slower

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On the GCD front

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2.45 vs 1.89

waxen ether
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OOF, I do like big numbers soo

scenic patrol
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Extreme case scenario

waxen ether
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I see, they prefer Crit over SkS

scenic patrol
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Most jobs don't prefer SkS

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And goon especially

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Since it fucks up the rotation

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When it comes to SkS its almost always about how the rotation lines up

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Not how much of a gain it is

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Currently on the tank front our gear is fucking loaded with SkS

odd violet
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Is this the right place to talk about SuzakuEX?

scenic patrol
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To a stupid degree

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Sure I guess

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I know the fight up to DDR electric Boogaloo

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So I can help a bit

elder lark
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how different is it from normal?

odd violet
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We're having issues in EX with the color patterns

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I think it's latency, because the speed doesn't seem consistant and sometimes she'll go through a color and it wont go off until later

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And Im just curious if anyone else is suffering issues with the speed in which the colors are going off for that phase

scenic patrol
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Something is fucky there

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The Phoenix seems to skip certain colors

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At random

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Shit's weird

waxen ether
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Must be a missing line of code or just some bug perhaps

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3rd day hotfix coming up!

scenic patrol
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Still clearable

waxen ether
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Yeah, they are just some minor bugs but can be cleared like you said

scenic patrol
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Gonna continue with some of the folks I did it today with tomorrow

steep iris
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hopefully i clear suzaku ex before raid

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got any run down of the mechs rn?

scenic patrol
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Until feathers it's very straight forward