endgame-lounge

[copper portal]

Is this enough to craft IW HQ gear?

Or do I need more stats? (If so, how many of them)

I don'y have food in effect BTW

[torn kindle]

You need 870 Craftsmanship and 835 Control.

for the bare minimum, that is.

[copper portal]

More control then. I still need to buy some HQ IW, so it should't be a problem

What about CP?

[torn kindle]

I'd say 400+

honestly, it would be more cost effective to make the level 65 gear, which has better stats if HQ

unless you're making it for glamour

[copper portal]

I need it to level up my DoH without problems, and they still sell quite well on my server, so...

[unreal lance]

Max CP

Is best CP

[bright plinth]

so I just got my first crafter and gatherer to 70. been peeping guides but they seem to cover 4.1 onwards. how does end game progression work for this?

i see mastercraft V and VI, but i need to get the older mastercrafts before right? what about gearing the gatherer

[steady pebble]

no, you're not required to get the previous mastercraft books

[bright plinth]

oh swell. so i could focus only on V and VI, or even directly into VI?

[steady pebble]

mastercraft 1 and 2 have ARR stuff, 3 and 4 are hw

[bright plinth]

hmm okay they are recipe specific

so V would still be valid

[steady pebble]

eh, yes technically

[bright plinth]

perhaps not truly worth it?

[steady pebble]

5 has 320 stuff so

either you can get it and progress "normally" or you can skip it and go to 6 which has the latest

[bright plinth]

mmk depends what im aiming to make. anyways this is for cul so i wont be making anything BiS with this dude but yeah

so i guess both of these classes (craft & gathering) are geared via scripts?

[steady pebble]

if you're lazy/need to be cheap yeah

BiS is going to be crafted

[bright plinth]

best is crafted huh

[steady pebble]

but that requires overmelds as well

[bright plinth]

ill need to find out how to make gil then with either or

cause i certainly cant make those crafts and im quite broke for buying the gear off mb

[spice comet]

If u can find a friend who can craft for u

Gathering mats and giving it to them to hq is overall cheaper

[bright plinth]

yeah i thought of that since i almost have both bot and miner to 70 real soon, but arent some mats like 2-3 star? will i even be able to get those without having to get script gear at the minimum?

also speaking of how important is it for me to farm the base mats in HQ for someone to craft the HQ version of the gear piece

i know it helps faster HQ, but it is it an absolute must for end-game stuff?

[spice comet]

Depends on the person

If they're omni crafter, base mats r all they need

U can buy those off mb, use scripts, basically instead of buying ur gear crafted as is, the point is to save money since buying base mats r cheaper

Prob wanna make sure u have someone who can do it before u start to throw gil

[bright plinth]

Cool gives me a starting point for that. Any website i can check the bis for craft and gatherers at?

[spice comet]

It's rly just the 340 gear

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8lohzy/ffxiv_crafter_gatherer_endgame_progression_guide/

Multiple links on there on what to meld, gears the same

[bright plinth]

thanks man

[boreal edge]

wanna know minimum stats of 4 stars

[stable basin]

What’s the endgame bard rotation

[boreal edge]

!faq brd

[storm frost]

Did you mean:
brdguide

[boreal edge]

!faq brdguide

[storm frost]

4.x Bard Guide

Info

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XAkAyAEwMr50wtfQTz-Vk1U4tdgfdfWg5nRIbKNNJk4/

[dull radish]

you should be able to do that with a variety of BiS for BLM

any of the high or max crit sets will do

lot of folks run at the 1650ss high crit set, I'm partial to the 1592ss max crit set

those sets shouldn't cause conflict

it's only when you hit the 1930 set where that ends up being more of an issue

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/154H1 for example

[rustic lichen]

Does anyone here know how to go about melding gatherers?

[last galleon]

generally meld until you hit breakpoints

1595 Gathering for +3 Bountiful Yield on 2* nodes
1450 Gathering for 95% success rate on 2* nodes
1350 Perception for HQ chance on 2* nodes
1450 Perception for 15% HQ chance on 2* nodes
785 GP for maximum yield at 95%
830 GP (post food, cap is 798) for maximum yield at 100%
from the balance server

here's a sample budget build w/o V or VI overmelds that will hit all of the above: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/16HMC

it'll probably be good enough for 4.4 gathering as well.

(can probably drop some of the 4th or 5th slot overmelds if you're reaaally tight on budget. likely if you have >1.5k perception you'll have HQ chance on 3* nodes)

[rustic lichen]

Thanks, I have a weird mix of crafted + scrip gear so knowing the assured slots helps me at least hit stat numbers and plan around that

[last galleon]

you can also just play around with the set, replace some of the crafted stuff with your scrip gear and see if you can still hit the breakpoints

i'm using scrip tools myself since i haven't gotten around to crafting them yet, but in general gathering meld reqs are laxer than crafting reqs

[fading kite]

Here's a good question do Noob still Q4 EXs

[cloud bluff]

Q4?

[boreal edge]

q4?

[elder lark]

queue for

[boreal edge]

[elder lark]

I'm like 99% sure

lol

[boreal edge]

queue in exs?

aside from raid finder

nobody df extremes

but pf em instead

[junior quartz]

Will it be right to try delta savage on iL327?

or am I gonna be spit on

[heavy mist]

why u wanna do it

[last galleon]

deltascape..? i'm..not sure if people are doing much of it anymore

[heavy mist]

theres no reaso to

@junior quartz

the item level from it is trash and you can farm sigma for better gear

if you wanan do it for the experience might as well get higher ilevel beforehand

[junior quartz]

because progression

it's either that or spend the next months farming mendacity till i get something out of it

[lyric summit]

deltascape savage drops i340 there's literally no reason to do it for gear

[junior quartz]

and idk if people will spit on me if I try sigma under 340

[heavy mist]

farm sigma normal

🤔

nobody cares about your ilevel

you just need to be i325

[lyric summit]

farm mendacity for i360 when 4.4 drops, get 24man coins now, get full i370 for alphascape savage

if you want to get into raiding

[last galleon]

ilvl bump is happening in a little bit over a week anyways

and even 370 will be obsolete

VIs suggestion is a good one if you want to catch up

[lyric summit]

obsolete is kinda an exageration

[junior quartz]

even then, afaik they're not uncapping mendacity any day now

[lyric summit]

still ok for alts you do expert and 24mans with

[last galleon]

they are

on 9/18

[junior quartz]

huh

[last galleon]

and if you're rich

you can buy crafted i380

[lyric summit]

yeah 18th mendacity is uncapped, creation is exchangable 4:1 for mendacity and genesis will be a new capped tome

[last galleon]

i guess at the very least you'd want to have enough ilvl to do alpha normal when it comes out

[lyric summit]

that's like i355ish

[junior quartz]

*all i want to do is to catch up to the iL minimum

[last galleon]

which would be like uhhh 355 maybe? if sigma was 325

[junior quartz]

so i don't need to worry about that later on

[lyric summit]

just spam lvl 70 dungeons on 4.4 release day then

i360, enough until 5.0

[boreal edge]

farm gil

buy full i380 set with 10 mil gil

in 4.4

[junior quartz]

too boring

in any case, still need to clear normal delta 2 to 4 for it but since nobody else's playing it. . .

[heavy mist]

just put up a Party finder

and say its 1st time clear

[junior quartz]

i did

[heavy mist]

rip 😦

[junior quartz]

30 minutes, 2 dps no healers no tanks whatsoever qq

[cloud bluff]

Yeah, no one’s really running it. Did you just want the cleats for the story or?

[heavy mist]

if u in aether i wouldve helped

😦

[junior quartz]

well if I want to access sigma and omega i'm supposed to clear delta first

and i'm in primal cri

how come half of this server is in aether qq

[normal mesa]

cuz na is two datacenters and the rp is bigger on aether

and gilga use to be The Raid Hub and it is also aether

maybe

[last galleon]

Well delta normal is also in raid roulette so you might have a better chance in 4.4 when the player base becomes more active

[cloud bluff]

Oh right, you still have to clear them in normal mode sequentially to unlock everything. >.< I don’t know why I assumed everything was unlocked when they removed the weekly restrictions for Delta and Sigma.

I would have offered help if I was on Primal. :<

[bright plinth]

where can i get a baseline of gear for my miner 70? i probably cant farm those yellow script collectables for crap with my 63 namazu gear atm lol

[fossil basalt]

you can buy super basic level 70 gear from the vendors inKugane

also, do Custom Deliveries, they give tons of scrips

[bright plinth]

gotcha thanks

[smoky tiger]

does the delta/sigmas normal gives any creation/mendacity tombs?

[burnt bay]

just what it says on duty finder, afaik

the only drops are still the components

[boreal edge]

@smoky tiger it doesnt drop graveyard components

its tomestones

not tomb

[smoky tiger]

lmao

so it doesnt give tomestone? Noted, thanks

[steady pebble]

eh? you get tomestones from doing the 8 man raids

[smoky tiger]

oh

hmmm

do the delta/sigmas fall under the raid finder

im kinda worried I cant clear in time when I hit 70

becoz no body is doing

the normal mode

i mean like roulette*

like the msq/leveling

[steady pebble]

it might take a bit to get a party for delta/sigma right now because of the content lul but once 4.4 hits, it should be a bit easier. people will be back and doing instances again

iirc they are part of the 8 man raid roulette

[smoky tiger]

oh

[steady pebble]

you can also try putting up a party finder, and advertising first time bonus

[smoky tiger]

ah

ill do that

thanks

[boreal edge]

@smoky tiger it drop tomestones but not tombstones was just making a joke

[smoky tiger]

[vital cypress]

oh right

What job adjustments did they wind up semi-officially announcing?

(if any)

just some SAM and maybe RDM tweaks

and SMN nerfs?

[dull radish]

SAM, RDM, BLM

[indigo fog]

ok i just finished SB, and now i can spend my 2K creations. is the i330 gear what i should be spending them on? or is there something better? or should i wait until next week and exchange them for mendacities and get that gear?

[vital cypress]

also

woah woah woah

hold the damn phone for a second

they're making pyros weapons better than Savage ones now?

something about equalizing RDM and SMN damage

EXTREMELY CONCERNED.

[pine summit]

they can buff sam all they want they still dont have raid utility

[vital cypress]

um

excuse me

[pine summit]

xD

jk

[vital cypress]

what do you call that then

[craggy gate]

looks like raid utility to me

[vital cypress]

exactly

[pine summit]

.1 difference from smn but damn that guy can play the job.

is slowly leveling sam anyway because mnk, might get replaced with dancer

where is MNK on this specrtum anyway?

i dont looks a these often

[vital cypress]

also, slashing debuff?

there's your utility

[pine summit]

mantra

[vital cypress]

(for SAM)

[pine summit]

oh

[eternal mirage]

Wow

Tsuku ex is horrible as blm

D:

[dull radish]

it's not too bad

[dull radish]

heh, it's really not too rough, though to be fair I haven't done it much at all

would be coziest getting PLD there to cover you for transition into adds phase though

[boreal edge]

@vital cypress if you are doing same dps as sam then there indeed an issue

[vital cypress]

eh

SAM and SMN are very close on logs?

[heavy mist]

but SAM doesnt bring any utility besides maybe the slashing if u dont have WAR or NIN

SMN still has devotion

[quick verge]

and ifrit

[heavy mist]

if SAM isnt topping the charts

its a waste

[lyric summit]

ifrit has some meme% phys vuln doesn't he

[heavy mist]

i dunno

[lyric summit]

smn main btw

2% for 4s to entities that hit radiant shield

[heavy mist]

right radiant shield

[lyric summit]

utility king

[quick verge]

when's frey luna gonna PAD my guardian and chadarnook charts

[lyric summit]

who cares about parses 2 weeks before the end of the tier

[quick verge]

you

[lyric summit]

nah I'm busy wiping to suppression

doing relevant content

[quick verge]

I'm busy wiping to phantom train

so that means I'm cooler than you 😎

[lyric summit]

this is so sad alexa play Get Started to Raiding in SB by Kiri Kotone

[quick verge]

this is so sad Suzaku play Dragonsong

[pure yoke]

these logs won't matter in a week

[vital cypress]

all these parses will be lost in time

like balances in rain

time

to die

[pure yoke]

remember those o7s adds that spawn if you fail the bilbio pad?

[quick verge]

next level padding

[pure yoke]

yeah they count

[quick verge]

would it be possible to pad on them without getting yoted on

[pure yoke]

yeah

[quick verge]

:|

[scenic patrol]

Just need PLD to grab them all and HG

[pure yoke]

you need more than one PLD

and you need everyone doing good aoe damage

[scenic patrol]

Eh, you can delay dps so you can on second set of Biblio pads

Just as HG ends

Won't be possible to pad more than one person

I think

[pure yoke]

they have

500k hp

you need to kill them in like

18 seconds or less

[scenic patrol]

I mean kill Guardian after 10 seconds while AOE padding

[quick verge]

you also need the dada add for maximum padding

[vital cypress]

this is all far too avant-garde for me

[valid gate]

i joined an fflogs party

that was doing

no-gear prepulls

and i was like

nah

miss me with this shit

[glossy musk]

No gear prepulls? For what reason

[scenic patrol]

fflogs parse party
speed run strats that fuck the melee and healers

[vital cypress]

healers adjust

[pure yoke]

why are they speedrunning in a pug?

[heavy mist]

cause why not

[glossy musk]

speedrunning in a pug sounds like a bad time waiting to happen

[dull radish]

what if they're just really bad, and looking for ways to skip 2nd plane because they're that bad

[scenic patrol]

it is also counter intuitive for the melee

[dull radish]

and so they need that lb cheese

[scenic patrol]

every LB cheese is more time the melee doesn't DPS personally the boss

[dull radish]

I dunno, I just always find parse parties to be such meme

hmm?

I don't get that comment

especially in regards to LB cheese 6, which I assume is what this is about

[pure yoke]

imo

trying to do lb cheese in pug

is asking for a disaster

[dull radish]

oh, it is

[scenic patrol]

Generating LB artificially and using that will make the melees have less uptime due to casting LB in the first place

[pure yoke]

this is coming from someone who did that in every fight this tier

it is 0 fun to do

[glossy musk]

You also often don't want to finish it fast if you're looking for logs

You want maximum uptime, not maximum speed

[scenic patrol]

targeted kill times

[pure yoke]

that isn't always true Leo

if you are a monk

you need a 6:30 killtime

[glossy musk]

Like I said, often, not always

[pure yoke]

for o6s

[scenic patrol]

Monk shares targeted kill times with Warrior

so yeah

6:30

is ideal

[pure yoke]

and o7s is another good example, gimme a sec

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/PQwFndWrVk4Z7y1a#fight=4&type=damage-done

this parse was only possible for me

because the boss died faster

aka I killed the boss before 3rd downtime

aka I got more uptime

[scenic patrol]

killing Kefaust before 3rd downtime will also have a similar effect

but that shit is really really cancer

[pure yoke]

O7S for book first rotation

you can skip 2nd ultros add with only 1 LB3

assuming everyone is doing work

[junior quartz]

tfw

someone instapulls kefka

[heavy mist]

ez

[paper solstice]

Is alliance raid roulette easy? thinking of unlocking it to try it.

[stable basin]

yes

[torn kindle]

the hardest part about 24-man content is the other 23 people.

[paper solstice]

There not actually 24 people on screen right?

[stable basin]

There are indeed

[torn kindle]

it's 3 parties with 1:1:6 Tank:Healer:DPS per party

[stable basin]

It's 1:2:5

[paper solstice]

That's a lot of damage

[quick verge]

24 man content monkaS

[blazing pelican]

healing 24 man

everytime I do rabanastre I want to cry

[torn kindle]

I take rescue for the 2nd and 4th boss due to dummies.

[outer garden]

9 man with 15 afk fucks getting dragged along
-- @quiet scroll

[quick verge]

healing ridorana is fun tbh

[torn kindle]

until 8 people somehow die to the first tsunami

[quick verge]

I don't res people because I have to pad my parse 😏

[torn kindle]

Parse padding in 24-man content
InfinityBrain.jpg

[quick verge]

yeah dude

need to get 23 homies to pad you

[paper solstice]

How's tanking in 24 man?

[quick verge]

easy

can straight up ignore mechanics

with minimal consequence

[paper solstice]

I'm a tank 😃

[torn kindle]

The hardest things you have to do as a tank in terms of tank mechanics are "don't have tethered adds together" and "think of pressing those mitigation buttons"

[stable basin]

Tryharding in 24man is fun sometimes

It's like turning on cheat codes

[torn kindle]

It's funny to see your Party-specific add die twice as fast as the slowest party.

maybe even more

[quick verge]

I got 4 commendations for chadding my ast once

[paper solstice]

I should probably turn off all party effects since theres 24 person on screen.

[stable basin]

People get weird about tanking in 24mans

A lot of tanks just like randomly provoke the boss in the middle of the fight

[quick verge]

24 mans are actually ultimate content

[lost mulch]

still waiting for 24man (savage)

[stable basin]

Trying to MT an entire 24man raid is true PvP

[paper solstice]

I thought someone mention it was easy

[stable basin]

nah it's easy

[lost mulch]

its easy

players just make it hard

[stable basin]

2nd/3rd L60 ones are a bit harder

[valid gate]

people who pull after a wipe

with no ready check

and with a non-macro countdown

make me want to just wall

on the spot

[lost mulch]

macro countdown?

[quick verge]

chat spam shit

[lost mulch]

why would you macro countdown

the numbers literally appear in the middle in your screen

[stable basin]

tbh who cares about countdown in 24man anyway

[valid gate]

so that the countdown isn't dead silent

before 5 seconds

[lost mulch]

nah i just pull

and then shirk my afk dps

[stable basin]

Why does the countdown have to be loud

[quick verge]

E

[stable basin]

Like are you tabbing out of the game

[lost mulch]

alt tab during 5 second left

during countdown

9000 iq thonk plays

[quick verge]

I alt tab during the pull

[valid gate]

who doesn't tab out between raid pulls

what are you gonna do

sit there and stare at the screen while waiting for AF?

lol

[quick verge]

watch anime cartoons

[lost mulch]

watch porn

get on my level

[quick verge]

sometimes I cast Holy Spirit when the countdown is at 3 to get a shield swipe proc

[lost mulch]

tbh if i can mod

i just put tidus laugh in every <se.>

[quick verge]

people whom pull at 3

[heavy mist]

i pull at 20

👀

[boreal edge]

i pull as countdown start

[quick verge]

I pull then set a countdown

[junior quartz]

k so got to 340

can i try o5s now

[pure yoke]

I would aim for 350 min tbh

340 was day 0 prog gear

when your crafters are behind

[junior quartz]

it can't be that bad, it's just 10iL of difference. . . can it?

[pure yoke]

10 ilvls is alot

my old group had issues passing the dps check for kefka week 1

even with multiple people have 355 weapons

and a couple 350/340 pieces

also gives you more hp too

[torn kindle]

especially since said 350 gear could be pentamelded

while the 340 could only have 1/2 slots

[junior quartz]

wait which 350 gear

[dull radish]

mm crafted gear

like

!item true linen robe of casting

[storm frost]

**True Linen Robe of Casting** **:** Body **:** ilvl 350

Defense

392

Magic Defense

686

Vitality

254 (282 hq)

Intelligence

264 (293 hq)

Direct Hit Rate

167 (186 hq)

Spell Speed

239 (265 hq)

Materia Meldable

Yes

[dull radish]

always a new set of crafted gear at the start of a tier, that can be pentamelded if desired

[steady pebble]

there's also the eureka gear

[junior quartz]

i can see why no one does those on the finder ( ._.)

my head hurts

[vital cypress]

speaking of crafted gear

does anyone have a rough idea of how much craftsmanship/control/CP you'll need to reliably make the new ones?

[quick verge]

yes

skill required

[fossil basalt]

who needs skill when you have an ast cramming Balances down your throat?

[vital cypress]

how do you think i got an orange parse in spite of being bad

"hey give me an enhanced balance before zombies thanks"

[quick verge]

pad city with a bad party

[quick verge]

WHEN YOU GET A STURDY WINDOW

caps

[lyric summit]

does eureka light have bonus windows

[native pagoda]

No one knows how to get higher tier light in eureka yet. Devs also keeping their mouths shut

Only thing dev’s hv said is current method of farming light isn’t optimal

[stable basin]

They never said that

Yoshi just said people weren't leveling optimally

[stable basin]

^

Being about light was a mistranslation

[paper solstice]

What class have good aoe damage?

[scenic patrol]

Que?

Sustained, burst or overall?

[paper solstice]

dungeons

[scenic patrol]

Healer, tank or DPS?

[paper solstice]

dps

[scenic patrol]

Summoner for burst and BLM in general

SMN shines more in raid setting

Anyhow

[lyric summit]

BLM has the most consistent unlimited aoe, SMN is basically limited to some ogcds with longish cooldowns

[scenic patrol]

Don't choose a job based on aoe

Choose what's fun

[paper solstice]

I was asking because I am tank, and I just wanted to know so that I can adjust my pulls based on what my group consist of.

[scenic patrol]

Lol

Don't

The dps difference between jobs is not enough to warrant different pulls

Outside of low level shit

[steady pebble]

about the only time you should worry about that is like low level dungeons

because there's several classes that don't get their aoes until late

[scenic patrol]

Party comp does not in fact matter for casual content

[steady pebble]

and trying to do big pulls with a pug and lancer without their aoes is...

not fun

[scenic patrol]

It matters millions times more that your party is competent

Over what job they bring

An ice mage won't do half of what a good Ninja will

[placid jungle]

Hi.

I need guidance, people.

Can't prioritize what to do @ lvl 58. Dunno what content to explore.

@ this point. I'm semi lost.

[dull radish]

probably better for you to scoot up a channel, but

MSQ

[steady pebble]

continue with the msq

[placid jungle]

Alright, thanx.

Lvl 58 = new player?

Lmao. Well, thanx.

I am new, I suppose

[steady pebble]

endgame is more for lvl 70 content

savage/ultimate, etc

[placid jungle]

I asked in main, but they were popping off about mouse click macros & shit.

TY.

[scenic patrol]

Just continue the MSQ

Not much to do besides old content in your level

[quick verge]

so in a8s

When brute justice disassembles

you have tanks go close and far to bait something?

[boreal edge]

@quick verge double drills

its basically double wings but stun anyone close to it + knockback

[zinc vortex]

uh not quite

functionally double drills is the same as wings of destruction

except WoD is a double tank buster

[copper portal]

A quicky: what iLV are we expecting for alphascape (NM and Savage)

[lyric summit]

335 for nm and 370 for savage i'm pretty sure

[boreal edge]

@copper portal 370 375 380 380

355 for nm

[lyric summit]

but then full party ignores ilvl req blah blah

[copper portal]

alright, 370 por NM gear, 380 for normal tome gear and 390 for final tome/raid gear, right?

[boreal edge]

no

380 nm

[lyric summit]

370 is current tome gear

[boreal edge]

390 tome

400 upgraded tome and savage

[bright plinth]

do i need to unlock HW stone sea sky to unlock the stormblood one?

[boreal edge]

@bright plinth yes

[bright plinth]

ok so, why cant i find the quest for the old one too

do i need to clear HW normal mode raids for it to unlock too?

[boreal edge]

its in idyllshire iirc

no

[bright plinth]

its not in my sidequests completed, hes not there, and its not in my journal atm

so im lost

[boreal edge]

1 moment

@bright plinth https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/A_Striking_Opportunity

then after it

a lv70 quest pop in rhalgrs reach

[bright plinth]

alright, well the npc isnt there lol

[boreal edge]

have you beaten hw?

[bright plinth]

its like i unlocked it already but i dont see the quest as completed

yeah all MSQ up to Stormblood

[lyric summit]

the quest npc or the sss npc isn't there

[bright plinth]

npc isnt there

[boreal edge]

the sss npc is outside

[bright plinth]

outside of idyl?

[boreal edge]

yes

[lyric summit]

and outside of reach

[boreal edge]

the west exit

[bright plinth]

west exit of idyllshire theres no one

i dont have that quest as completed on my side quests

unless its under another tab

yeah it was under another tab

ill be able to find the stormblood one from there thanks

[boreal edge]

i mean east lol

forgot shitty hinterlands map

there is npc just out of reach and idyll

[elder marsh]

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[hybrid rapids]

when you planned to start raid

[elder marsh]

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[lyric summit]

you can retrieve like 40% of the materia you put in plus it's cheap af, so just meld your current gear and whatever you replace it with in the future

[hybrid rapids]

CRIT > DET for now

not sure Patch 4.4 yet

i guess same if no major changes on WAR

[dull radish]

yeah pretty much

[elder marsh]

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[dull radish]

right side, meld strength on vitality accessories

left side, meld crit where it's not capped, det otherwise

[elder marsh]

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[dull radish]

on a given piece of gear, you generally have two secondaries (e.g. crit, det, skillspeed, direct hit, tenacity)

one of these secondaries will be higher on the piece of gear, compared to the other

say like +10 crit, +5 det, for example

the piece is maxed out on crit, or capped. You can meld more, but you wont' get any benefit from it (it'll also tell you in the melding window if you try, in big red letters)

you can meld det though, since it's the lower number

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

@hybrid rapids sks til 2.38 then crit > det

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[dull radish]

skillspeed, but mm

[boreal edge]

skillspeed

[dull radish]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're not max level yet?

[elder marsh]

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[dull radish]

oh, alright

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

2.38 gcd make rot not feel like shit

[dull radish]

yeah, you want a certain amount of skillspeed so you can execute inner release windows properly

[boreal edge]

and eases 5 fell cleaves

[dull radish]

strength still takes priority on accessories

[boreal edge]

strength in accs then sks til like 1118?

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[dull radish]

GCD timer

[boreal edge]

around 1118

sks

[dull radish]

~1118 skillspeed = 2.38s GCD. I don't know the numbers, I'm trusting a bit here haha, would have to look it up myself

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

1118 is my set

but i dont remember how lower can u go before 2.39

dont meld now

if you arent doing savage

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

raid content

[dull radish]

well, can meld cheaper, lower grade materia, since you can retrieve it for free hah

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

basically the challenge aspect of the game

[elder marsh]

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[dull radish]

like don't go out of your way to meld everything until you've worked your way along the gear treadmill a bit longer, since you'll be replacing gear as you gather endgame tomes and work your way through instances

but light melding doesn't hurt

especially STR on accessories, that can be real cozy

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

no one does RM much lately

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

also with almost 1 week til 4.4

[elder marsh]

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[dull radish]

it's in trials roulette so you'll get some folks

but depending on your data center it can be very off-hours currently

[boreal edge]

are you in eu or na?

[elder marsh]

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[boreal edge]

na

so yeah

its morning

[elder marsh]

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[dull radish]

yeah it's early morning on a monday haha

[tardy ginkgo]

: o I can queue up I like me a bonus.

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[boreal edge]

@tardy ginkgo where your pic from

sorry for off topic

[tardy ginkgo]

It's an OC @boreal edge let me find it and pm you.

[boreal edge]

its noon in eu now

but it will affect your ping greatly

depending on where you are

[paper solstice]

I beat stormblood, what's next?

[heavy mist]

You beat the msq quest stormblood?

[paper solstice]

ye

[heavy mist]

Then keep doing msq

There's still 3 more patches of msq left

[stable basin]

You can chase after a chicken into some hole a mecha cockroach dived into

Punch a few animals

[scenic patrol]

Do whatever you want muh dude, end game is what you make out of it

[paper solstice]

So I read that in upcoming patch 4.4, some tomes were being remove with mendacity and the new genesi being the new tome. Will that mean that I can jump straight to i360 since verity and creation will be obsolete?

[normal mesa]

verity was already obsolete/in hunt seals

[scenic patrol]

You'll get Mendacity like candy

So yes

[paper solstice]

I just reach level 70 today with my job gear i270

[scenic patrol]

Verity was obsolete for 6 months already

Most efficient way to farm tomes is by the roulettes

So you'll need to gear up in order to gear up faster

[quick verge]

rip verity

best tomestone

[torn kindle]

I loved the look of Esoterics and Scripture

Vote for the prettiest one of them all

[stable basin]

We went from USB to Graphic Cards and now we Floppy

[torn kindle]

interesting that Mendacity have a different description from the others.

[stable basin]

Do they specifically say how big those tomestones are

Are they like potato chips or size of books

[torn kindle]

I've always assumed them being the size of USBs

Not sure if they have a stated size anywhere in the lorebook

or somewhere in the game

[steady pebble]

personally like law and lore the most

[stable basin]

Imagine digging 500 usb

Throw at merchant

GIMME A GLOVE

[fossil basalt]

i like poetics tbh

[stable basin]

Poetics is where i started so 👌 ❤

[quick verge]

esoterics and verity make me UwU

[dawn sedge]

"mendacity" means lies or something iirc so the description says untruths rather then information

[junior quartz]

been 3 hours trying to get a single o5s clear ;;

party finder people is ugly

[scenic patrol]

You are dealing with the bottom of the barrel

[junior quartz]

i cri

i'm to stubborn to get into a fc

the one i'm in is pretty dead lol

[scenic patrol]

What does an FC has to do with anything?

[junior quartz]

idk some already told me to do savages with FCs instead

[scenic patrol]

[steady pebble]

thats probably cos they assumed you were in an fc with people to play with

[scenic patrol]

Maybe they meant statics

[steady pebble]

you don't need an fc for it

[scenic patrol]

Most FCs don't even raid

!lodestone Odin Derok Ka

[storm frost]

Derok Ka

Miqo'te, Keeper of the Moon
Level 70 White Mage [Item Level 370]
Solo on Odin

[steady pebble]

but...like you're either going to have to have a lot of patience or give up on sigmascape savages

[scenic patrol]

This guy used to be in a static with me

[steady pebble]

cos you're getting the absolute late of the late comers

[scenic patrol]

Give up on the tier

Look for an Alphascape group

Possibly

And get ilvl as high as possible before 4.4 drops

So you'll be able to start pugging as soon as possible

[paper solstice]

Do people still do extreme susasno and lakshmi?

[torn kindle]

For Dogs, yeah.

You can always make a party yourself, people usually join.

[scenic patrol]

Sure

But you'll need to learn the fights still

Get geared for current savage before you do em at least

Otherwise you'll look like a dead weight

[paper solstice]

How come drk doesn't have a party wide shield like the other two tanks? or knockback prevention?

[scenic patrol]

It doesn't need party wide shield at all

And giving it will just homogenize the tanks further

For Knockback

Well only PLD really has one

Warrior is tied to Holmgang which is the invuln

[sonic olive]

plunge :^)

[scenic patrol]

But yeah

For Knockbacks you use Plunge

[paper solstice]

I think the black night is my favorite skill

blackest

[scenic patrol]

TBN is incredibly powerful

Designed very well overall

After the changes at least

Up to 4.2

Well, 4.3

DRK was in a bit of a rough spot

[paper solstice]

against magic boss i can't decide what cooldown to use cause they are always up.

[scenic patrol]

2 of em

If you are on O6 for example

Rotate Rampart and Shadow Wall for busters

With DM and TBN as a cherry on top

[junior quartz]

what are statics?

[paper solstice]

For endgame boss should rampart be use for auto attack or tank buster?

[scenic patrol]

Depends

There's no straight answer to that

[steady pebble]

statics are just a group of people who regularly meet up to do raids together

[scenic patrol]

^

You'll find a lot of advertisements in #reddit-recruitment-feed

For example

For chaos you'll probably want to join CRC

@paper solstice anyhow it's encounter specific

Best way to know is to talk to fellow tanks

And how they do fights

Which is basically how I got to my current skill/knowledge level

[junior quartz]

tfw can't do shit because capped at 347

it's not easy to reach endgame just to realize there'll be another level cap increase in 2 weeks qq

[paper solstice]

I'm still 270

[junior quartz]

finished story just a couple days ago and i've been farming as much as i've could

also i really want to fight godka just for the sake of fun

and i know everyone will just ditch sigma once alpha comes out cri

[scenic patrol]

Sorry but you won't clear Godka anytime soon

You'll need a straight up carry of a 7 person stack

To clear it

Anyhow if you have a schedule suitable for a static

Aim to find a group for 4.4

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/9eoj79/efficient_ilvl_gear_up_table_patch_44_edition @junior quartz

[junior quartz]

i mean theoretically all i have to do is to reach at least to 360 then start practicing godka before alpha releases

right?

;;

[scenic patrol]

Gear isn't the only issue

It's skill, experience

And luck

[junior quartz]

that's why i mentioned practice

[scenic patrol]

You'll need some very solid luck to clear Godka with how PF currently is

You currently simply don't have the time to prog and clear Godka at the usual pace

[junior quartz]

stop discouraiging me i'm trying to find a reason to keep on playing before the next patch comes out qq

[scenic patrol]

Before 4.4 is out

Try to clear O5S at least

[junior quartz]

i did

o/

[scenic patrol]

O6S and O7S?

[junior quartz]

just 5s

[scenic patrol]

Hmmmmm

[junior quartz]

i just reached endgame last week don't expect me to bring you the moon

[scenic patrol]

Well, at least you know how the difficulty bump works

But again

[vital cypress]

I mean

new raid tiers come out next week too

[scenic patrol]

The difficulty bump from O5S to O8S is the same as Normie to savage

And the bump from O8S to UwU is also the same

[junior quartz]

so hit your head against it on practice till it works out?

[scenic patrol]

Yeah

[paper solstice]

How hard is normal compare to savage?

[junior quartz]

uh

[blazing pelican]

The bump from O8S to UWU is upgrading from a pocket knife to an anti-tank rifle

[scenic patrol]

Yeah

[junior quartz]

everything kills you if you don't know what you're doing with your life

[scenic patrol]

UwU is fucking intense

[junior quartz]

basically

[scenic patrol]

And I have only seen Garuda

[blazing pelican]

Garuda is very healing intensive.

[scenic patrol]

Normal mode raids can be done with half the party eating crayons

[blazing pelican]

You can go OOM if you're careless

[scenic patrol]

With how easy they are

[junior quartz]

hey don't crayonshame

[scenic patrol]

[junior quartz]

and uh

i've seen plenty of people wipe then leaving on o7

just the normal o7

[quick verge]

o7n haha

[scenic patrol]

I don't want to touch that instance

[quick verge]

I'd rather drink paint

[scenic patrol]

I'd rather run O7S

With pugs

[quick verge]

o7n is harder than o7s

that is a fact

[scenic patrol]

Probably

The type of people who still need to run O7N

Are

[junior quartz]

but o7n is pretty easy what are you talking about

[quick verge]

you ever get like 5 biblio adds

[scenic patrol]

It is easy

The problem is that the avarage FFXIV player is pretty damn bad

[quick verge]

people make it not easy

[junior quartz]

oh, that

then yeah lol

i once stood out for 1 hour trying to help some random guy clear the quest on the duty finder

people can be bad

[scenic patrol]

Bad is not even beginning to describe it

[sonic olive]

o7 just isn't a fun fight on both modes I hope what ever the next one turns out to be is at least fun

But I got my pants and have never gone into it again

[quick verge]

bibliotaph sequence boogaloo

[scenic patrol]

O7 is an interesting fight aye

But it's too much of a shit show to pug

[quick verge]

savage should've thrown two loads simultaneously

completely randomized

[sonic olive]

Should have spawned all adds at once

[pure yoke]

fail all the bilibio add pads

the ultimate dps check

[quick verge]

smiles in summoner

[scenic patrol]

You'll still need to kill the boss in 10 seconds after pads

Because once that HG is over

You all die

One by one

[quick verge]

no you just need to kill the adds in 10 seconds

[scenic patrol]

Well, make it 18 seconds with PLD + DRK

[junior quartz]

http://prntscr.com/ksygr0

[steep iris]

what's wrong about that

[split falcon]

o7s triggers me so hard

[scenic patrol]

Delete your triggers then

[split falcon]

i wish i could

at least i dont have act triggers tho

because those are ILLEGAL

[scenic patrol]

[split falcon]

johni you better be doing titan gaols legit

and not cheating

or else i'm gonna come and hunt you down

[scenic patrol]

I am not doing UwU though

[split falcon]

i thought earlier you said you were doing garuda

my bad

[scenic patrol]

And yeah, relying on triggernometery is a too much

[split falcon]

the only act trigger i support is for the nael callouts in ucob since those are actually beyond big brain

[junior quartz]

you're all making me want to skip o7s and go straight to godka

[split falcon]

gotta get past clown kefka first

[junior quartz]

can't be that hard

. . . can it?

[scenic patrol]

You basically have no idea how the fight works in savage

Clearing clown alone will take you 2 to 3 lockouts

In my opinion

[split falcon]

in pf that's like, 5 days

[junior quartz]

so it has no mechanics at all and kefka just does as he pleases?

[split falcon]

because people leave after 3-4 wipes

[scenic patrol]

It has mechs

[split falcon]

it has mechanics, that's why it'll take you time to learn

[scenic patrol]

It's a very comfortable fight once you are used to it

I can brain AFK through it

But I have 38 Kefka kills

[junior quartz]

confirmed kills?

[steep iris]

I wish i could auto pilot the thunders and blizzards

[split falcon]

i have 51 but my median is hot garbage because all i do is stalk crc and sub for people learning the fight

[lucid karma]

I use ACT trigger when I get every mech down or on point

since I'm already on farm state

just a layer of convenience

[split falcon]

i jsut don't like them when they can be used to the point like in uwu where it can completely neuter an otherwise challenging mechanic

[lucid karma]

I don't too but guess what, I don't blame them

in the end only result matters

which is clear

[split falcon]

i can and will blame them for taking an easy way out instead of properly learning and executing the mechanic

respect contentz

[paper solstice]

Do people run nidhogg extreme anymore?

[split falcon]

yes, in PF, unsynced

you can usually find a bird farm or a wondrous tails party or two up during primetime

[scenic patrol]

Usually previous expansion EX content is quite easy to do unsync unless there's some troublesome mechs

Like Sephirot

[paper solstice]

I'm pretty late to the party lol just started last month

I'm thinking of trying out paladin since I have a lv 60 warrior and drk, does it play any different? I mostly like the shield.

Lv70 drk

[junior quartz]

http://prntscr.com/ksynv0

[scenic patrol]

Yeah it plays differently, it's also my least favorite tank

[junior quartz]

this is how sadness look like

[scenic patrol]

But it's all subjective

[paper solstice]

I like drk but it give my hand a seizure with all the button presses lol

[scenic patrol]

PLD has a separate issue

Buttons

Tons of fucking buttons

[fossil basalt]

fix yer hotbars scrub

[scenic patrol]

Or just don't play PLD

[paper solstice]

I was deciding either going back to warrior or lv my paladin, warrior make me too aggressive I just want to fell cleave and not worry about tanking.

[scenic patrol]

You sound like a Warrior main already

!whologs @scenic patrol

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo of Odin

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train**

Warrior: (1027/20547) [4581 DPS] [95 Historical] [7:48]
Scholar: (5237/20145) [2297 DPS] [74 Historical] [7:45]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Warrior: (959/19192) [4952 DPS] [95 Historical] [7:58]
Dark Knight: (5204/11315) [3820 DPS] [84 Historical] [10:09]
Scholar: (5763/18591) [2327 DPS] [69 Historical] [8:15]

**Guardian**

Warrior: (1348/13482) [4449 DPS] [90 Historical] [10:31]
Scholar: (5959/13544) [2119 DPS] [56 Historical] [11:54]

**Kefka**

Warrior: (792/11326) [4309 DPS] [93 Historical] [6:41]
Scholar: (6454/11526) [2154 DPS] [45 Historical] [6:39]

**God Kefka**

Warrior: (233/8661) [4792 DPS] [96 Historical] [10:08]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[scenic patrol]

Fell Cleave harder baby

Anyhow when it comes to tanking optimally it's all Fell Cleaves

You have CDs for tank stuff

[pure yoke]

nice logs

[scenic patrol]

only my Warrior logs are decent

😔

the rest is garbage

[pure yoke]

same

[junior quartz]

Well got to 350 already

Just a little further before 355

[blazing pelican]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/hXzNPfF7CKjZn4Dq/#fight=last&type=damage-done

mfw I turn retarded during predation and get a bad parse

[quick verge]

citadel yeet

[blazing pelican]

AST and BRD suicide during transition so that healer lb gives them full mp

luckily my weakness fell off before I needed to do serious shielding

[lyric summit]

you get full mp after 50 year long transition anyways

[blazing pelican]

(shhh I like watching them die)

[lyric summit]

waste of repair money honestly

[blazing pelican]

also more of a group thing, it removes my coheals ability to "accidentally" hit lb instead of me

because that's happened

[glad tapir]

btw did you guys know that lalafells resist against enrage timer, if you arnt belive me here is the proof 😏 so PLAY lalafell when you want survive endgame safely https://youtu.be/2PWCtEb9A4c?t=746

[quick verge]

okay i don't know what to do at level 70 with my miner

[obtuse sundial]

Hit rock

[fossil basalt]

hit big rock, get small rock, use crfter to turn into shiny rock

or sell to crafters that want to make shiny rock

[paper solstice]

I mostly play lalafell to block Susano sword

[obtuse sundial]

Really? For susano?

Not the byakko stack?

[vital cypress]

oh boy I'm probably missing the first week of the new tier

[heavy mist]

😦

Truly the feelsbad

[vital cypress]

stupid hurricane

I'm not in the path of it but I'll probably get volunteered to go for work

which granted is a small complaint compared to, like, having my house swept out to sea

[paper solstice]

I love the trial in stormblood very fun 😃

[fringe granite]

Which one?

[paper solstice]

4.0 one susano, lak, and final boss

[fringe granite]

Last one can burn

[fossil basalt]

Royal Menagerie is great

[paper solstice]

Its pretty fun though

[fringe granite]

It's fun now

4.0 version is awful

[steady pebble]

how is it fun now vs 4.0

[quick verge]

nah release shinryu was fun as fuck

[steady pebble]

pretty much nothing has changed in regards to rm

[fringe granite]

Better gear that makes it more survivable

[quick verge]

remember failing the dps check for phase 1

[fringe granite]

All too well

[pure yoke]

there was a dps check?

[quick verge]

yes

you had to be at like

80.x%

or 79.9% before the corrupted aether gauge filled a second time

otherwise when shinryu casted protostar you'd get oofed

and the worst part is that tanks could survive

[blissful solstice]

I think Shin EX is super fun

[pure yoke]

it's ok

[steady pebble]

mug, what fight(s) have you liked the most so far in stormblood

[pure yoke]

idk

[steady pebble]

no clear favorites?

[blissful solstice]

@steady pebble what's your favorite stormblood fight(s)

[pure yoke]

I just do all the fights

[quick verge]

posers will say susano ex

the woke will say lakshmi ex

the ascended will say tsukuyomi ex

or uptime hell

[blissful solstice]

mine are shin ex and o3s probably

i love susano ex flavor wise

[pure yoke]

I just like playing with friends

it doesn't matter what content

[steady pebble]

tsukuyomi was a pretty good fight, ex is kind of stressful for me since i don't really do ex/savage in general

[pure yoke]

I hardly do primals

[steady pebble]

kefka's pretty fun

and hali is another good one, imo

getting first thru the sand puzzle is always nice

[pure yoke]

kinda hoping next tier will be good

[blissful solstice]

the ultimate fights are awesome but i haven't cleared either

[quick verge]

o3s was ruined because no tea time

[pure yoke]

got a really good static now atm

[fringe granite]

Susaku looks interesting

[pure yoke]

I didn'

I didn't spend much time in ultimate

I think I progged uwu for about

40 hours?

[quick verge]

wow that's like 3 days

😔

[pure yoke]

static wants to do ucob

after alpha clear

half the static already cleared ucob at one point

[quick verge]

nael hell

[blissful solstice]

@pure yoke lemme sub for your static i want to do ucob

[pure yoke]

I am in aether

and we are already filled

[glossy musk]

Wish I could get a group to do UWU, I want that shit done

It looks so fun

[dull radish]

uwu is pretty fun <3

[glossy musk]

only groups on primal that want to do it want to be WURLD FIRST and shit too

and it's like

ain't got time for that anymore

just give me a group that raids 3-4 days a week and can farm uwu/ucob

[pure yoke]

did you clear Rika?

[dull radish]

nah, lots of scheduling problems and a few performance problems here and there

[pure yoke]

I'm trying to be fflogs super star before Sigmascape ends

[glossy musk]

I don't even have a drg or nin

[dull radish]

never cleanly made it through annihilation, but saw it a few times and the very start of suppression

[glossy musk]

or ast

[pure yoke]

oh nice

[glossy musk]

Nice

[pure yoke]

I made a point that

[dull radish]

doubtful to clear before 4.4 at this point haha, but probably loop back around to it after alpha I guess

[pure yoke]

Boss Damage can get padded too

and padded HARD

[dull radish]

it sure can haha

[quick verge]

are you a pro dragoon

[pure yoke]

I am ok dragoon

going to do UCOB after UWU? @dull radish

[dull radish]

potentially, I dunno