Yea I'm starting to get the good ol anxiety about being new 👻
#endgame-lounge
solemn crow
last galleon
O5S might be unironically the hardest sigma fight right now since unlock
last galleon
^
quick verge
you'll only worry about it if the person who has the tether dies and it transfers to you
lime otter
But you don't die if you have a ghost tethered to you, at least I never did in a lot of o5s runs (haven't been subbed in a while)
torn kindle
maybe if you run off accidentally
last galleon
Can always jump off.
torn kindle
or grab aggro somehow
lime otter
Only whiped there if people failed too much, the DPS check is very soft I thought you only needed around 20-22k total raid wide DPS.
last galleon
Sub 4K PF DPS + can’t do mechanics = o5s enrage on week 1635
last galleon
Those are really common in 24 mans along with their friend, the 1.5k SAM
lucid karma
Yes but in savage COMPLETE
Not even first timer
What in the goddamn
And that was before savage unlock mind you
Some ppl who play this game I swear
lime otter
Idk how you get 4k DPS as a DPS player on o5s with full 370 gear.
you're doing something very wrong in that case.
lucid karma
By dying a lot
lime otter
It's not even a fight you should really die a lot in lol.
lucid karma
Half of the time it isn't your fault
Ppl sure love to stack diabolic wind
And this is from my observation as tank
lime otter
True. I mainly played tanks and would die mostly to healer's faults. O5s wasn't that bad with it but OTing O6S as paladin sure was.
lucid karma
I can suck SCH dick if they put Faye Union on me, a PLD
lime otter
I guess a problem with that raid atm is also that nobody who's good really farms it anymore, people got their clears and parses and are done with it.
lucid karma
Suck for ppl who just gearing other classes
torn kindle
Most of the time when people are doing 4k or sub-4k the general answers are "they're not pressing the right buttons", "they're not using their cooldowns as much as possible", or "they aren't doing their ABCs"
Like, they'll manage to do their opener somewhat-okay and then they'll completely forget about half of their cooldowns for the next 5-6 minutes.
quick verge
they aren't pressing buttons or are pressing buttons in a very poor order
lucid karma
when tank doing less than 3k without tank stance something is wrong
torn kindle
*uses DPS stance*
*still uses aggro combo*
quick verge
o7 in a nutshell
in an ideal world you could disrespect content and go straight into dps
lucid karma
Less than 3k is acceptable if you're in 24 man and have to MT
quick verge
1 aggro combo then dps stance
quick verge
lucid, diversion
lucid karma
No I mean the goddamn tank sometimes
quick verge
amazing how people use their aggro control tools when they get aggro and nobody takes it back
😏
lucid karma
Not my fucking fault if you lose aggro to me, off tank in 24 man
I never use aggro combo yet still snatch aggro time to time
torn kindle
TFW you grab aggro in Ridorana as an offtank doing your normal rotation
Inner Release is too much aggro
lucid karma
It kinda like this
First minute my aggro is green
Then yellow, okay that's normal
Then orange, uh oh
Oops it red
Guess I'm MT now
torn kindle
Shirks the SAM to lose aggro
lucid karma
And too many ppl not using aggro tool ever
So in 24 man I do fuckall dps cuz I be spamming aggro combo when possible
Trying to salvage shit is worse than losing personal dps
pine beacon
You're too nice, it sounds like.
Let the aggro fly to the wind, and be free for whichever shitter can't diversion/lucid/elusive jump
lucid karma
Nah I just hate trying to salvage bads in 24 man
I don't take 24 man seriously anyway so might as well aggro combo all the way as MT then sleep
torn kindle
only doing ten
you need to have more respect for the content
mix some Flash spam in there too to make sure your DPS isn't too disrespectful
uncut charm
hey I am still doing autos
gritty lagoon
glad tapir
even at the last content i had more dps as tank with ilvl 333 gear
elder dawn
Tfw no enrage in raid nms so you are doomed to suffer for 20 years in a fight with low dps
hybrid rapids
i want to cry from Pagos leveling too
like, 5 EL gaps mob i get it
but 900~1000 DPS as a damage dealer
is not acceptable
and can't even make a 20 chain plus
standard one is 1600 DPS
then 1800 DPS is good one
regal halo
uncut charm
me, cos i havne't reinstall ACT after reinstialling OS
maybe I should reinstall ACT soon
eternal mirage
Parse in general and its just there when you Eureka 
lost mulch
Parse guildheist
😏
hybrid rapids
i don't
but it's weird
when you can't get a 20+ chain
tank pulled at good timing
and full group hitting
yet failed to kill it
turned out 3/5 damage dealer doing healer level DPS
uncut charm
Well my FC mate raiding with JP statics told me a lot of JP RDMs don't know their rotations
Like just spam jolt
Some other dps class also like that one
frosty stag
glad tapir
skip soar or disband!
torn kindle
One could only imagine what their hotbar looks like.
hybrid rapids
the problem is they don't play RDM
doing RDM just for the raise meme
never learned the rotation
quick verge
"rotation"
hybrid rapids
the respect content level is too great
quick verge
so they leveled rdm to 70 without having a clue of how the class works
uncut charm
Problem of FATE産
People who level through fates/potd/hoh won't learn basic rotations
uncut charm
Ye but same idea bro
hybrid rapids
but starting from SB
i get it
means people only level it
but don't bother to learn it
still
chain stopped at 20
is
disgusting
uncut charm
Thankfully I never got into such parties
hybrid rapids
ye
early bird used to be good and hardcore
i just don't bother and this is the consequences
uncut charm
Kinda
hybrid rapids
usually i left after 2 x 20 chain end
hybrid rapids
siao
uncut charm
Doesn't seem like want to do 2nd
hybrid rapids
i am yet to see
uncut charm
Wtf last night
hybrid rapids
the pagos pazuzu
hybrid rapids
i had 28 chain
killing the goat
then spawn the NM
and everyone lure all the fck tons of mobs in
uncut charm
Always like that
uncut charm
PepeRIP
uncut charm
JP or what
hybrid rapids
JP
uncut charm
That one who raids with JP static one
Got once time his party doing +6
Then he healing, he say can solo heal
Then the JP fierce like
If we wipe will you take responsibility?
hybrid rapids
heh, we spawn the NM for train and ノの民 yet all we got was a wipe and end of 28 chain
and some people used /comfort on him haha
uncut charm
To give my FC mate credit he wearing ultimate legend title and using ultima healer weapon
This guy balls sia
hybrid rapids
lmao
ye
might accidentally
pulled 2
even an ultimate legend can't simply handle
uncut charm
True
Then it's noob tank or whoever who aggro extra noob
Kappa
But anyways these kind of party stress only
My group derp and pull extra alot and sometimes I tank until sleep, OK one
Maybe they say bad things behind me only
hybrid rapids
No, I meant sometimes during night it might spawn one next to you
A legend title might prove your skill in game and on certain job but level gaps isn’t something player skill can fix
uncut charm
The pulling thing tho. There's always a safe spot where the tank fish the mobs and kill there one, so should aggro extra due to new spawn or respawn
*shouldn't
Fml can't type with one hand (the other eating mac
quick verge
the other doing
hybrid rapids
I wiped twice in safe spot, safe kill and chain, but once wiped to night spawn, another wipe to sprite spawn close to us and got pulled aggro on cast
uncut charm
Then that's not safe spot liao
uncut charm
It isn't, there's always a spot where it's absolutely safe even it mean u have to pull further back. Those type tank just stun mob during the end and go pull another
quick verge
is blm top tier in pagos chaining
uncut charm
That works also
Sometimes blm or healer help to pull one when current one left 30%
Then sleep mob
So the tank grab easier and faster
Provided mob is not ranged attack tho
hybrid rapids
No kidding, most players have no common sense at all
uncut charm
Those Val Corpse will insta kill any non tanks
uncut charm
FeelsBadMan
hybrid rapids
Until you have to tell them
uncut charm
Can't trust pugs to be good
hybrid rapids
Hey, don’t hit the sleeping one
They are like robots
Give commands then they will follow
uncut charm
JPs in general
But at least they follow command you know
Like sometimes my grp ask the campers to help kill usagi (they believe it helps)
They mostly will help
Ask E players do things
You don't pay my sub
Fuck *** mind your own business
FeelsBadMan
uncut charm
installed back ACT and parse 31 usagi monkaS
unreal lance
daring berry
parse in Eureka for dat high deeps
uncut charm
just chceking what tsunchan says about people in eureka earlier
JP RDMs really monkaS
IDK whats that warrior doing either
stable basin
watching his favorite tv show most likely
reading a book
playing another videogame
uncut charm
no this is an entire party of EL35
lyric summit
if you're tanking then you should have all the magicite in defense
who analyzes a eureka parse lmfao
dull radish
Also log file sizes can get pretty astronomical in size for eureka haha, generally do not recommend even parsing in there in the first place
frosty stag
unreal lance
Same
unreal lance
Good 
eternal mirage
Pretty chuffed with that being my first clear
pine beacon
That's pretty decent for train
It's tough to get a great parse with the downtime in there
Without getting to go ham on adds
quick verge
Pad CITY on adds
quick verge
sch knows how to pad
solemn crow
I didn't realize you can wipe on adds in train, the vid guide didn't mention this...
last galleon
yeah it's a dps check
solemn crow
Yike
lyric summit
is it? I thought it only reduces the amount of time you have to kill the chimney, which isn't a wipe on its own anyways
quick verge
If you don't kill the zombies in time
You wipe
If you can't kill the chimney in time then you should consider leaving the party
solemn crow
We didn't kill the zombies fast enough
last galleon
yeah the zombies explode after a set time and wipes your party
solemn crow
And everyone exploded
last galleon
i've only seen it happen in learning parties, and only because i wasn't on SMN
solemn crow
I mean it's probably partly my fault so I ...should stay and learn as much as I can lol
Feels hella bad walking into a party and being bad so 😰
last galleon
if you feel bad about that then you're already better than the majority of the playerbase
steep iris
knowing that you need to improve makes you better than most people on pf
steep iris
a lot of people in 7s clear parties just do unacceptable dps and they don't realize that they need to improve
last galleon
'i'm doing 3k as SAM, so what?'
steep iris
their mindset is just doing mechanics right
steep iris
"if x didn't die we could've cleared before enrage"
solemn crow
What's considered acceptable dps for ast?
steep iris
yeah but if the party had good dps you wouldn't even see enrage
last galleon
depends on prog vs farm tbh
no one's gonna yell at you for being more conservative during prog
solemn crow
Prog cause I'm hella slow lmao
quick verge
1.5kish
steep iris
yeah, as a healer you won't be doing too much in prog
solemn crow
Nice
last galleon
hell if you're even doing 1k i'd say you're pulling your weight
during prog
ideally you'd want to aim for higher numbers once you're more familiar with the fight and your party members aren't derp
steep iris
the mindset for healers is basically to keep dpsing until you need to heal
and also if you're an ast, wiping to add phase is NOT your fault
sure you can do a lot of dps with cleric+lightspeed+copp and gravity spam
but you have 4 dps too
quick verge
Cleric/Surecast/Lucid/Swiftcast/Largesse
last galleon
you technically don't need esuna for healer ghost right
quick verge
if you're feeling confident
last galleon
since ability based healing isn't affected, and you can pre-regen/shield
quick verge
Not sure how ast would heal through the damage + infirmity
last galleon
i guess AST only has dignity and lady
might be riskier for them, i haven't done it myself
quick verge
sch is cozy af
steep iris
you have earthly star and collective unconscious
but i'd prefer the former for emergencies
solemn crow
Ty 🙏 I'll hopefully clear it tn and then stare at my logs to check uptime I guess
I'm pretty sure I'm not using everything efficiently
steep iris
I've done it a couple of times as ast
pre debuff regen, dignity and lady is usually enough
quick verge
if you wanna keep uptime up
steep iris
and spamming benefic 2 a little
solemn crow
The tethered ghosts spook me a lot so I don't dps while running from it
That probably can be fixed
steep iris
if it's the tethered ghosts that's fair
last galleon
it also depends on if your party drops lights in a sensible position...
quick verge
respect tethered ghosts in pugs
last galleon
sometimes you're forced to do weird movements, and it's fine to stop DPSing a bit at the cost of not getting kidnapped
steep iris
if it's the side to side ones you should have no problem
yea, this is a pretty small dps gain for you anyway
solemn crow
Oh that would work too, ty
steep iris
most likely (and hopefully) won't be the deciding factor in enrage
last galleon
if AST DPS is the deciding factor in enrage you have bigger problems
quick verge
The main thing on o5 is staying on the arena alive since the dps check is so lax
steep iris
"lax"
steep iris
A lot of people who are trying to clear now are trappy
Ofc not all
But ive seen a lot
Joined some clear parties for 5s and 7s and you have dps doing 3k
And they continue trapping other parties
steep iris
Till they luck out with a clear
quick verge
a deceptively tight dps check
boreal edge
as sam
boreal edge
hmm?
quick verge
art thine summoner in the act of being extremely skillful
boreal edge
and he got pissed cause he ranked 89
in whole rankings
also godka died on wrong time
but np
could do better if he died 20 secs slower or faster
i was this before i died to kefaust
vital cypress
i have no idea how it is that every kefaust clear I've ever seen kills him during the first or second Ultima Upsurge
before he gets mad
grey parsing group that's still stuck on first forsaken SECOND ULTIMA UPSURGE bunch of purple-to-orange average people SECOND ULTIMA UPSURGE "how did you con a world firster into running with us tonight estelle" FIRST ULTIMA UPSURGE INSTEAD
it's uncanny
quick verge
the earliest i've seen him killed was right before the final mana release
vital cypress
my best guess is that it's because it's a pain to optimize and, honestly, you're probably only hitting him for 5 minutes tops
if that
so it probably condenses the range of possible clear times some? 🤷
quick verge
there's a bunch of spots where phase change doesn't happen because of mechanics
vital cypress
that actually makes sense
quick verge
during his whole mana release thing you can't force the phase change until after he finishes
and the blizzard/thunder pop*
vital cypress
if he starts doing the final upsurges he won’t change until he’s done/hits enrage?
quick verge
he won't phase change until he finishes his current cast
vital cypress
I think I’ve seen phase change after one but o could be wrong
quick verge
but you can phase change between the ultima casts
mana charge is no until he can move towards the mt iirc
got him to 57% once doing that
pine beacon
@lost mulch Dragging it here. But, hell. Orange on that run is still below 5k
!whologs @pine beacon
storm frostBOT
torpid sinew
lots of monks in end-game huh?
lost mulch
who need sam when you can punch stuff
torpid sinew
i'm a weeb so.. sam i am.
pine beacon
I just don't have SAM leveled.
But working on it!
I don't play at a level where having a SAM would hold anything back
But 70 mnk is hella fun
torpid sinew
I just.. want to fulfill my destiny as Auron. (fem type lulz)
vital cypress
also
can i ask something that's been bugging me for years
why are there two area transitions right before you get to forgall in Mhach
where is the second one
unreal flax
Forgall is second boss of Weeping City
and I don't remember two transitions for him
there's the waterfall to the two platforms followed by a zone transition into his arena, then a zone transition out of his arena into the Headstone/Ozma section
vital cypress
i'll take a screenshot of what i'm talking about in a sec
have to beat up haircuts
torn kindle
Waterfall transition and then the circle staircase transition
arctic field
Oh, the part with the mobs?
torn kindle
I blame PS3
lyric summit
pretty sure one is the entrance and one is the exit
vital cypress
...that actually makes sense
i guess it's not loading in an entirely different area is it
they probably just got lazy with lining them up properly
torn kindle
Still makes you wonder why they had to add in a transition
Maybe they didn't want people to just run in a circle repeatedly
lyric summit
most likely, camera always hugs the wall behind the character if there is one, so a narrow staircase would be like almost literally first person mode
lyric summit
st. valentione's or whatever
vital cypress
i was going to go for PS3 limitations
mhach is a pretty big area so it probably has to unload some crap from around the beginning
torn kindle
I think I count 3 catgirls in that picture
hard to tell if miyu is a catgirl or au ra
eternal mirage
Does anyone know if there's a spell speed threshold where blm can cast 4x F4 before F1?
Lazy to math
torn kindle
yeah it's basically impossible without a reduction from somewhere else like Ley Lines and/or Arrow
smoky tiger
I read so much talk abt how blm and sam is "not meta"
but yet I see them performing among top teams where ppl get their "meta" from I presume
Or am I reading it wrong
lyric summit
that's just dps rankings
you can press the arrow next to the static name to see the comp
that's for speed which is basically what the airqoutes meta is about
comp and raid dps is what's important, not personal dps
smoky tiger
There are blms and sam in those teams though
at least half?
or perhaps this is updated
maybe weeks ago there isnt
I think less, more nin for sure
but I do see the sam and blm more than 3 - 4 times as I skim through
torn kindle
Meta is used in the terms of speed kills, where you stack a bunch of group DPS buffs and maximize your Trick Attack windows
Usually consists of DRG/NIN/BRD with the 4th DPS being either MNK or MCH, i'm not too up to date on which one is better.
Tanks are PLD/WAR and healers are SCH/AST
smoky tiger
I see that paragraph alot. However the fflog shows otherwise. It is also dependent on which boss. I did not see this stated meta team dominating every single boss in terms of speed kill.
right?
lyric summit
i don't see a single sam or blm in top 10 speed for all of savage
or drk, or whm
so i'd say there definitely is a meta comp
with one flexible spot for smn/mch/mnk
but literally 99% of the community shouldn't care since like 1% is interested in speedrunning anyways
but people try to enforce a meta comp to prog o6s on week 27 or some shit instead of letting people play what they're good at
lost mulch
Is speedrunning fun?
smoky tiger
Huh? there is
lyric summit
it's all about LB generation nowadays so not really
lyric summit
that's static execution, not sure what i linked there tbh but 9:11 o7s and 7:19 o6s is nowhere near top 10 static speed
eternal mirage
Ah man sucks about the spell speed
Just gonna keep stacking and see how far I get before it fucks with my rotation 😃
2050 or 2117 next I guess
solemn crow
When I upload a ff log is there a certain setting I gotta click? I uploaded one but it didn't look like it's matching my train kill against other people so I can't compare it
Right now it's showing as a bunch of wipes + the clear combined...
dull radish
like, all combined as one continuous run, kind of thing? Or just, all uploaded as part of the same log?
the latter being expected behavior
dull radish
no problem <3
sleek karma
Guys, does the Potion of Harmony effect gone if I died in Eureka?
stable basin
People seem to throw friendship out windows when entering pagos
maybe it's too cold for everyone
sleek karma
Friendship? This is PAGOS. There's no such thing as friendship, there is only grind and death.
stable basin
become HARD COLD killer or death 😛
eternal mirage
@dull radish Quick question if I may
In general, is it a good idea to precast swift as blm?
By doing that I prevent clipping with enochian but not sure if its worth the gcd tradeoff
dull radish
precast swift is horrible idea on any fight but O6S
clipping enochian costs you less than a second
precast swiftcast sets you back an entire GCD
dull radish
it's a pretty cozy fight <3
eternal mirage
Cozier than o5s?
dull radish
yeah
eternal mirage
Excellent
fossil basalt
it's practically a training dummy
eternal mirage
Ooh
wbt the painting mechanic as in o6n?
Actaully I'll just watch the guide now
While I'm in prae
steep iris
6s is braindead as dps
heavy mist
6s is just dps
eternal mirage
Well that looks pleasant
vapid tangle
As meele DPS all you gotta do is like 2 mechanics.
Everything else is following the group.
quick verge
paint airplane and water when necessary
stable basin
And pass kiss
stable basin
On clown you don't tank swap on the third LoJ right?
quick verge
you can
quick verge
you can swap or not swap at any point
just depends on if the tank has cds to not get clapped
scenic patrol
heck if kill time is long I try to do 4 swaps
got Vengeance and rampart off CD after 4th buster
so I take back the boss
until enrage
gotta get em counters
stable basin
I hear the strat is invuln 3/4 frying pans so that would be MT takes first, swaps at LoJ, OT invulns second, swaps at next LoJ, MT CDs third, holds the boss, and invulns fourth?
quick verge
what are your tanks
firstly
because in pld/war
war holms first
pld hallows second
war holms 3rd
pld stacks rampart + sentinel + bulwark/sheltron for 4th
stable basin
I'm playing DRK rn so WAR/DRK and DRK/PLD are most relevant to me
quick verge
war holms first, drk living dead second, war holm 3rd, 4th just stack cds
not sure if living dead is up by then
stable basin
It's not
stable basin
Yeah tbh it seems like it shouldn't be much fuss to like rampart+dark mind+tbn the first, shadow wall+dark mind+tbn the second, etc
If I'm pulling
quick verge
living dead first, hg second, stack cds on 3rd
stable basin
mm
Mostly just concerned like if I'm pugging is there a certain way people expect or you just chat it out before you pull every time
quick verge
pug strat is swap after loj
you have cds to comfortably live for 2 tankbusters even if you don't swap
stable basin
Sounds good
solemn crow
for o6s, are the auto attacks magic too?
torn kindle
Think so. all of O6S is magic damage to my knowledge.
solemn crow
wow dang, eye for an eye truly useless
rugged crag
why do ppl hold DPS in UWU ?
heavy mist
in Garuda so buffs are up in Ifrit
like Battle Litany
and i know u hold dps in Ultima before suppression if u are at 50% until homing lasers
since homing lasers is animation lock thus giving u more time to do dmg and bring Ultima down to a lower %
Else i dunno where u hold
@rugged crag
boreal edge
you only hold after suppression
better if you make it hit below 50% during primals ultimates
so you have as much time as possible
we had ultima at 57% by primals ultimates
wiped to 6% enrage
lyric summit
i thought supression gets casted when it hits 49% + possible homing laser animation
rugged crag
ooh
pure yoke
Suppression gets casted when below 50% and after his current mechanic
if he is casting a mechanic
if he is casting suppression at over 50%
you aren't doing enough dps
lyric summit
oh so that's more like a "be at this % or you're dead" cast %, i thought it's like kefka/exfaust where they only end the fight at 59%
valid gate
war holms first pld hallows second war holms 3rd pld stacks rampart + sentinel + bulwark/sheltron for 4th
or cover fourth and use more cds on autoattack damage
👀
boreal edge
@lyric summit iirc he skip to suppression as soon he get 49%
ppl make him hit 50% then get him 49% when he do something with long cast/animation lock
aka homing laser
to get extra secs at enrage sequence
quick verge
or you can stack cds on hyperdrive because that's literally the only damage you take
bright plinth
is this true? someone told me that in o7s the arm n hammer tank buster will randomly crit
bright plinth
lol got sold some sauce
boreal edge
only 2 tank busters can crit
quick verge
the auto attacks after can crit though
boreal edge
1- 100% crit based busters
bright plinth
how finnicky is raw intuition for angle then? i pop ven + raw or ramp + raw to mitigate arm n hammer
sometimes i eat like not even half dmg
othertimes i explode
torn kindle
Can't Shinryu's tankbuster in the last phase crit?
quick verge
!action raw intuition
storm frostBOT
boreal edge
@torn kindle read above
quick verge
yes tera slash can crit
boreal edge
unless a buster guaranteed to crit
it wont crit
a7s is the only special case
it can crit
cause it replaces boss autos
for 5 secs
supple sail
Raw Intuition is front 90 degrees.
ivory tiger
parry is 20%?
steep iris
ye
rustic lichen
Tera Slash is a forced Crit iirc
thorn bear
full wave
Trailer is probably in 2 weeks
coarse radish
what are the two best secondary stats for a whm?
i know crit is one, what about teh second?
direct hit, determination, piety, or spell speed?
dull radish
pretty much to preference, in general
piety generally suggested until your'e comfy with your MP level to the content you're running
notably direct hit only affects damage, not healing, and it's not a huge difference other other options
spellspeed is decent but you need to stack more of it to get more of an overall effect
det is pretty safe choice, small difference but consistent
coarse radish
kk, thats what others said too
pure yoke
@dull radish I would argue in favor of full piety
unless you are speedrunning
going OOM at any point pretty much
negates any benefit from extra substats
and if your party has the refreshes and stuff to accomdate you
you can take some piety out
lucid karma
so if I keep casting like crazy for AST, going piety makes more sense eh
zinc vortex
lucid karma
I always run into MP problem as AST because I cannot stop casting malefic
quick verge
get you a pocket mana shift and mch thot
blazing pelican
gib mana pls 
lucid karma
I hope they reduce all healer cast time like AST on 4.4
blazing pelican
Our log is gonna look kinda weird when we beat uwu. Our AST and BRD kill themselves so they can get ressed by the healer lb3, with full mana
lucid karma
I need to weave ogcd on SCH naturally
quick verge
what other classes would commit die to refresh mana in uwu
lucid karma
PLD
lucid karma
you mean all healer in general
quick verge
would pld really need to refresh mana in that transition
blazing pelican
unfortunately I am the lb person, so I have to actually be responsible with my mana
hybrid rapids
The only healer has issue on UwU is an AST
The other won’t have MP problem unless low PIE and forced to raise several times
blazing pelican
it's only an issue during the first three primals for us
then primary duties flip over to me because a fuck-ton of stuff has to be shielded
late badger
Hey, im a Azurik from Adamantoise and i'm looking for a team to grind Rathalos 50 kills for the mount. Im also a MHW player so i know the mechanic pretty well. I'll play Paladin for this fight 😃
hybrid rapids
50 kills as in, not yet cleared the fight?
I think it’s pretty hard to find a group now, mostly pray for PuG
late badger
i cleared it, i just need a good team who can handle the fight 50 times in row with some Coffee 😄 ahaha and idk what is PuG? i just return into XIV twas a while
dull radish
pug = pick up group. Basically random folks you recruit to run content on a temp basis. Different from like a static, which is more of a fixed, longer term group of people you can trust to play and execute properly
late badger
ohhh okay, then its because im french canadian, there are some "gaming term or expression" that i dont know or dont understand if its not in-game, or proper to a particular game
thank you for the explanation @dull radish 😃
dull radish
No problem <3
hazy crypt
Is it a bad idea to just build Crit on AST now? Since it's so viable it's not even funny.
hybrid rapids
Crit is always love
hazy crypt
Since you got the passive that gives an auto-crit.
hazy crypt
Spear.
hybrid rapids
it boost based on your current %
if you have low stat on crit, it doesn't benefit much
hazy crypt
How do you convert your Crit into % what's the modifier for it?
dull radish
Should be on one of those spreadsheets floating around
dull radish
I'll see if I can find it
hybrid rapids
it has big brows, but it's kind and gentle
hazy crypt
Like Balmung after dark? 😉
dull radish
this is a good document with all sorts of tiers for secondary stats https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6wP1rq0b-3Oh45Oo1slFQGyKUqrkfGYk5TjNandLqE/edit#gid=782468133
there's a page for crit that shows crit rate and multiplier both with and without party crit buffs
steep iris
@hazy crypt are you talking about the crit benefic 👀
hazy crypt
Yes.
steep iris
don't ever spam benefic 1 just to fish for that
like free cure, it's a trap for newbie players
dull radish
oh right, I was going to ask about that haha, but yeah
crit benefic isn't something you rely on or plan to use
and so you don't build crit around it, either
freecure is at least a pretty decent idea for lower levels
but crit benefic 2 is pretty ehh
you can take care of most healing with regens and oGCD like essential
steep iris
yeah, fishing for the procs is also a waste of mp and dps
dull radish
mhmm
mortal dust
ok so can anyone help me out with gathering, im still pretty confused, im wroking towards getting my miner to 70 , what gear should i get at 70. this is what i have now plus my stats
azure hill
If you do weekly deliveries, you can buy a yellow scrip left side pretty quickly
And augment that to 330
For right side, the yellow scrip stuff is actually pretty bad
So best bet is to get someone to craft them for you, or buy them if that's not an option
mortal dust
@azure hill and what accesorys?
azure hill
Crafted 350 ones if that's an option to you
mortal dust
gotta check if they are expensive
azure hill
The yellow scrip ones aren't much better than the level 60 scrip stuff 
And unmeldable
mortal dust
why not 😛
vital cypress
the 345 main hands are drastically better than the scrip ones though
mortal dust
ill get those then
vital cypress
it's also quite possible they'll roll out another gear tier
azure hill
Crafted will always be better than yellow scrip
vital cypress
actually, probably not
azure hill
But with the yellow scrip stuff and food, you can gather anything current
vital cypress
oh
OH
gatherers
yeah you can go cheap on DoL gear
going cheap on gathering gear means that you don't get as good of a rate on Leaf Turn III or Impulsive Appraisal II, and maybe have to spend 50-100 GP to get a 100% gathering rate on top-end nodes, and the worst case scenario in that is that you don't make money
going too cheap on crafting gear means half a million gil in ingredients going poof
azure hill
!item augmented landmaster's ring
storm frostBOT
azure hill
!item landking's ring
storm frostBOT
azure hill
As you see, there isn't really a huge gain
vital cypress
700 GP is nice to have
(assuming we're talking BTN/MIN, I have no idea how FSH works)
anything above that winds up being mostly overkill
azure hill
Yeah, but you don't need the yellow scrip stuff for that iirc
vital cypress
i'm still using i290 accessories because I don't want to redo my melds
azure hill
It's just an overall disappointing way to spend ~1200 yellow scrip
quick verge
how much did it cost to do melds
vital cypress
no idea
i just melded to 700 (well, 702) GP then threw whatever random gathering/perception materia i had at them
because effort
they aren't even fully-overmelded
this reminds me, i need to get back to leveling MIN
i stalled out around 30 because I refuse to do the South Shroud levequests
they offend me greatly
mortal dust
lmao
vital cypress
"hey bulldoze all these duskwight ruins for us we'll pay you in racial epithets"
long depot
I'm starting to get my 370 gear for SMN. What's more important? Ensuring CRIT is maxed and then Direct Hit? Someone said Vitality should also been considered. Is that true?
lyric summit
no, you always want to prioritize ilvl because of the int, if you have a i360 +300 crit or a i370 0crit det/sps, you always want i370
crit is good to have, but a 370 is the most important thing
long depot
I meant like .. do I always put Crit into the 370 gear until the Critical Hit is maxed/no overflow, and then go for like Direct Hit/Determination?
lyric summit
yeah, https://tinyurl.com/SMNBiSGearAdvice goes into more detail on gearing
long depot
Okay, perfect. Thanks a ton, appreciate it. ❤ 😄
soft grove
I've been a level 70 for ages but I haven't really fucked with raids. What gear level should I be before I look for a group for sigma savage?
vital cypress
350 is kind of the baseline
soft grove
Should I just get to the recommended or should I get higher because people will yell at me
vital cypress
i think you can technically get into the lower tiers at i340 but it's not a great idea
vital cypress
the other problem is that if you're using Party Finder, a lot of groups will pick an arbitrary number between i350 and i370 and block anyone below that
quick verge
get carborundum gear/ridorana gear
vital cypress
which is fucking lol when you see an O5S learning party that demands i365 or something
lyric summit
just get full mendacity gear and find a casual no-experience static for 4.4, new raid tier is always the best time to start raiding, and there's one coming in like 3-4 weeks
soft grove
You're speaking Greek tbh
I think I'm about 50% 330 and 50% 360 on my gear
Cant remember my ilvl rn but its probably close to 350
Corborundum?
Ridorana
lyric summit
sigmascape normal
lyric summit
ridorana is the 24man
normal sable
if you're sub 360 without clears, expect a long uphill battle
soft grove
Oh like the lighthouse?
lyric summit
also gives you coins to exchange for 360 gear upgrades
yeah exactly like the lighthouse
like.. ridorana. lighthouse
soft grove
But I'm a pld that means fast queues... right? 
soft grove
Sorry I didnt remember the name
normal sable
everyone uses party finder
soft grove
Yea I know. It was a joke
lyric summit
well, 24mans only have 3 tank slots so it's usually longer for tanks than dps or healers but still shouldn't be bad
soft grove
What is the preferred tank for end game?
lyric summit
they're all good
soft grove
Wait drk is good? I haven't played in a while
lyric summit
yeah it's good, focuses more on single target mitigation than raidwide which is why people usually prefer the other two, but it's still good in all of savage if you're good at it
soft grove
My class preference has always been pld>drk>war but people made me play war haha
Okay thanks man. Now I just gotta hope people want a noob tank 
lyric summit
make a post on /r/ffxivrecruitment that you're a total savage noob who wants to get into savage, that's how I got into raiding and now i'm 3 minutes of the fight away from clearing ultimate 😎
lyric summit
never too early to start looking for a group 🤷
do some o5s memes, bond and shit
and go into o9s at least knowing how to tank swap and minimize tank stance usage
or whatever tanking savage consists of
wheat garnet
Is that really an option when a new tier just came out ? In non-static at least ?
quick verge
yes
tank stance >aggro combo >turn off tank stance >wipe until you know what cds to use and when
wheat garnet
I see. Thanks.
quick verge
damage reduction
quick verge
you avoid it unless absolutely necessary
vital cypress
I still want to learn raid tanking but PERFORMANCE ANXIETY
lost mulch
Tank is another word for dps but with mitigation ability
stable basin
I got over tank anxiety by playing DPS and realizing how bad they usually are at dodging stuff
Usually you're the last one alive if stuff goes sideways unless you forget a tb because tank privelege
Or unless you're OT in O6S because lol
vital cypress
I was TOTALLY GOING TO DO IT YOU GUYS in O7S earlier tonight
then my usual sub tank popped in and saved us from it
vital cypress
i'd rather heal it
O7S is a nice relaxing healer fight
if you're a scholar
if you're running AST+WHM then rip
of coure I'm terrible at healing O6S for some reason
stable basin
One kind of annoying thing about tanking is learning the fight as MT/OT but not the other
Whenever my static MT dies in 7 I end up doing panic LD vs the TBs
vital cypress
I was doing O6S on SCH Friday night and it was a mess
5 and 7, no problem
could probably do 8 if I ever had reason to
6 is like thanks i hate it, the fight
stable basin
Definitely my least favorite to OT
Basically the one fight where the OT is first to die instead of last when something goes wrong
vital cypress
i should look up a guide on WAR sometime
or DRK
though I get the impression that WAR is basically hit the GET REALLY MAD button then hit the FELL CLEAVE button a bunch
stable basin
Yeah pretty much
DRK is like I don't 
Dark Arts 
understand Dark Arts your accent Dark Arts
stable basin
It's mostly just the one button
vital cypress
PLD's ridiculous to fit onto a controller nicely, and I say that as a part-time Scholar
stable basin
But srsly it does have quite a few
vital cypress
(SCH would be the worst except that it splits very nicely into Killing Stuff buttons, Healing Stuff buttons, and off-GCD heals/faerie stuff which goes into the XHB)
stable basin
Sidenote leveling WAR in HoH is super fun, you can just gather whole floors and angery button+decimate them
lost mulch
War op
eternal minnow
When will they remove the ability in PF to put a PF with Duty Complete and Duty Completion, which is basically saying : "Hey carry me" ?
Should it be stopped?
eternal minnow
Too many to ignore
I'm just throwing the subject onto the chat and see the opinions that's all
I?m interested in hearing various points of view
eternal minnow
selling runs?
5 mil seems cheap but I'm fine with it as long as it's ok by the ToS
but 5mil seems reall cheap
It's a good trade off for people who focus on crafting instead of taking the time to raid
Also there you know what you are getting into, and it's agreed by all parties involve
which does not occur in duty complete duty completion case
besides since duty complete and duty completion are different why can you put them together?
hybrid rapids
then how about
carry me, but allowed to join as trap?
as in non-main job?
is it a fair trade off as well?
lucid karma
some ppl really do know what they're doing but they can't find decent group that doesn't disappoint them
such is life of pugging
eternal mirage
Probably more relevent to #questions-and-help but relevant to above - I've usually avoided duty completion duty complete groups but what do they mean exactly? The leader hasn't completed the duty and it locks out all first timers?
dull radish
For PF it's just indicators for the type of party. It doesn't actually block out people from joining
daring berry
No. It's an indication that the party is "attempt to clear" type of party
quick verge
Yes
daring berry
Which usually has the whole party already seen enrage and is preparing to clear.
dull radish
It only matters when actually queueing up with those options
quick verge
But people who make duty completion duty complete group tag their parties weirdly sometimes
Some have completed, some haven't
dull radish
Duty completion = aim to clear, not practice. Duty complete = can't queue if someone hasn't completed the instance before
daring berry
People who haven't clear but put Duty Complete deserves their own Hell
dull radish
It varies for that but yeah
eternal mirage
Oh I see
dull radish
Like, duty complete for a first time clear party is saying, hey I haven't cleared yet but I want everyone else that joins to have gotten their clear already
Which, you'll often have folks doing that, where there's a reason they haven't gotten the clear, and then you're wasting other folks' time
eternal mirage
Must suck for the latter
Changing the subject, is there anyway to fflogs analyse a dummy run?
Or can ACT show that (i must be looking in the wrong place if it is possible)
dull radish
Yeah you can upload a dummy run just fine
eternal mirage
Ooh okay
dull radish
You'll have to enable overkill on fflogs page when you look at it though
Otherwise it'll stop parsing once you "kill" it the first time
eternal mirage
Ah alright
dull radish
Well, not stop parsing, but consider the rest as overkill
eternal mirage
I gotcha
frosty stag
eternal mirage
Sucks as a drk not being able to use tbn against a dummy
frosty stag
You don’t need TBN for anything else besides Opener anw
eternal mirage
True
frosty stag
It’s not a DPS gain even if you spam it
eternal mirage
It's just useful for gauge generation against tank busters 
Also the protection but yeah
frosty stag
It’s only useful for mitigate huge dmg tank buster
Else rather use the MP for dark art
eternal mirage
What does that do?
untold oyster
Remember when shield swipe used to be a gcd
frosty stag
Raw pot
untold oyster
Good times
eternal mirage
!action shield swipe
storm frostBOT
quick verge
woke gaming
grim crypt
guys i got a burning question, which is better, Diamond weapon or Elemental weapon ?
dull radish
Diamond
mortal dust
does anyone here have his crafting classes leveled up?
grim crypt
was just checking, the stats outweigh the extra 3 materia?
grim crypt
so what are you saying ?