endgame-lounge

[unreal flax]

BLM mistakes take a huge bite out of your personal DPS. Similar to MCH. Mistiming something with MCH is basically "just go ahead and kick me out of the raid" punishing

[crystal mulch]

so back at the original question xD are they totally uncomparable? or can we overall say that Skill ceiling wise , BLM or NIN is higher?

[unreal flax]

Someone said once that a NIN missing trick attack turns them into a weaker SAM.

[haughty tree]

I think as long as you're careful with mudras, nin is pretty forgiving with its rotation for a melee job with few positionals, other than trick attack being a huge button you have to hit ever 60s

every*

[unreal flax]

They're apples and oranges

Like, every job gets plenty complex at a top level, even easy-modo DRG. Choosing when to enter Life of the Dragon based on the fight, etc.

BLM requires planning your positioning for the whole fight, so you really have to know the job before the pull even starts because you're gonna be looking at your rotation based on the boss' jump timing and their AoE timing. Meanwhile, the NIN is watching the aggro meters so they can Smokescreen people who are creeping and Shade the tank who currently has aggro, etc. While also maintaining their DPS.

They're both really complicated jobs, but it depends on what you want your focus to be. Some people find it really, really easy to manage the aggro of other people so NIN would be a cakewalk for them. Meanwhile, those same people can't fathom the idea of finishing your cast while a one-shot AoE is under you when you're on BLM.

[crystal mulch]

i see

[haughty tree]

honestly even though the number of buttons on BLM is limited, it's one of the hardest jobs to be good at in the game because of that

[unreal flax]

Personally, while I understand BLM, I do not have a ranged brain so NIN is pretty straightforward to me. Plus, I come into the job wanting to manage aggro, so it is, again, straightforward to me.

[haughty tree]

funnily enough, I used to be decent at HW BLM but the changes to basing enochian solely on AF/UI completely destroyed my ability to play because the timer becomes really tight

[dull radish]

have you played BLM since 4.0?

they've changed timers and such and it's a lot more lenient again now

[haughty tree]

yes, the UI part of the rotation is still pretty tight

[dull radish]

it shouldn't be

unless you're running like, base spellspeed

but even then it's not very tight

[haughty tree]

I kind of am because i'm sharing gear with rdm

[dull radish]

well for point of reference

at like 1500ss or so, I can fit in 4 GCD in UI

3 being the more standard

so even at base spellspeed that's a decent bit of leeway

[haughty tree]

yeah, I know, you sit and cast your 3, just if you're not good at managing movement during UI, you can still end up dropping, which I am bad at 😭

[dull radish]

it's less a matter of a tight timer and more a matter of unfamiliarity, then

the timer isn't all that tight

[unreal flax]

When do you use T3 if you haven't gotten any procs?

[haughty tree]

during UI

[dull radish]

2nd cast in UI

[unreal flax]

That's what I thought.

[dull radish]

B3 B4 T3 Foul or B3 Foul T3 B4

[unreal flax]

B3, B4, T3, F-- OOOH okay

[dull radish]

never as first or last cast unless you get a proc

[unreal flax]

I totally forgot Foul exists because I'm not 70 lol

[dull radish]

Foul makes everything better

[unreal flax]

I was gonna go straight back to AF just now lol

[dull radish]

with the change of T1 becoming T3 they kinda screwed up MP in UI

until you get Foul at 70

[unreal flax]

Cuz the extra tick during Foul cast?

[dull radish]

because you don't have enough MP to start T3 cast as first cast in UI unless you get super early tick

and casting it as last cast in UI very frequently means you enter AF with too little MP and lose out on a F4

[unreal flax]

I totally understand. I know BLM now.

Ultimate BLM Primer Course: Take a few minutes out of your day and chat with Rika 😍

[crystal mulch]

btw why couldn't you make a ninja as first job and only at level 10 ?

was it releasing mid extansion ?

[haughty tree]

nin was added in 2.3

rogue/nin

[steady pebble]

2.4 actually

[haughty tree]

oh right

[steady pebble]

but yeah because it wasn't initially released at launch

[unreal flax]

It was fuckin broke back then, too

[steady pebble]

that's why you can't select it from the character creation menu

[unreal flax]

apparently

[haughty tree]

iirc the playerbase rotation was a lot stronger than the developer's rotation

[steady pebble]

mhm

[haughty tree]

I don't know the details though, I wasn't playing very much back then due to school things

[dull radish]

yeah I never quite got that statement, but that's what they were going with haha

also NIN didn't have any positionals or anything either

[haughty tree]

yeah I remember them having to add a positional to aeolian edge

I can't recall if trick ever had one from the start or not

[dull radish]

it didn't

you could just hit from anywhere and get full damage

along with just a lot of potency along with trick attack

it was just dumb haha

[fossil basalt]

yeah they both nerfed Trick's potency and added the positional

[crystal mulch]

is there some websites in where i have the entire list of spells / role skills / passive traits of a class ?

[fossil basalt]

the official website

[crystal mulch]

oh

lol mb

[fossil basalt]

nw o3ob

[steady pebble]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

[crystal mulch]

ye

sorry i was searching in gamer escape lol ..

so much better on tyhe official website

[dreamy oar]

So what is endgame to yall?

[scenic patrol]

Raiding mostly

[past hamlet]

Getting up to date gear, to learn and farm Extreme Trails

And leveling other jobs for story and to use in said extreme trials

[scenic patrol]

I just gear up alt jobs with raid gear

[quick verge]

finding the ugliest glamours

[unreal flax]

That's easy. Just look at anyone who isn't me and you win

[stable basin]

end game?

having a happy family with blessed childrens and living ever after.

[pine beacon]

The catastrophic failure of modern society is the true endgame

[dreamy oar]

i miss novice chat

[stable basin]

Wheres the “ashkin”

[steady pebble]

ashkin are night time monster spawns, like demons and zombies

[steep iris]

https://compa.s-ul.eu/kN6QnOT4.png

best dps almost by 100

still 95 orz

[unreal lance]

[smoky tiger]

what class

[frosty stag]

There’s an Astro icon right there

How about you had never got invited to novice chat

[vapid tangle]

So I grinded pagos.

70 minutes of killing lvl 29 mobs, 90 in total.

They gave me about 65% lvl up.

But those 70 minutes were exhausting as hell.

Since you spammed the same shit all the time.

All pagos does is getting my annoyed and bored about FFXIV battle system.

Which is something a normal gaming company shouldn't aim to do.

[crystal mulch]

is it possible to have one chat log not be shining in blue ? just like the Battle log

[vital bolt]

@vapid tangle people tend to fall into the semi afk fate train later on for that reason lol

much slower overall but less mind numbing in the long run

[unreal lance]

both are just as bad, only solution I can think of is to add small goals each time you go in or dailies

[heavy mist]

semi afk nm hype

slow leveling but i can do other stuff at the same time

[quick verge]

finally

cleared o8s

god damn

and i got a 99 on the coffer

[lyric summit]

gz

time for uwu now

[quick verge]

pugging uwu

poggers dude

[quick verge]

hey guys it's me

[fossil basalt]

why do i even bother

[crystal mulch]

111.2 what's that 😮

[scenic patrol]

All star Points

[crystal mulch]

eeeh

ok

[fringe yarrow]

how do you go about finding people to do older raid content? I regularly play with a group of 3 (healer tank dps) but we started playing after people moved on from binding coil and the HW stuff like alexander

i just want to see everything once atleast

[steady pebble]

you can do most of the old content unsync with 3 ppl

with a few exceptions

[fringe yarrow]

oh?

[steady pebble]

mhm

[fringe yarrow]

dark knight, astrologian and red mage would be ok you think?

[steady pebble]

generally tho if you want to find ppl, put up a party finder

should be

but like i said tho, there are some fights that will kick your face in. namely turn 4 of the second coil of bahamut. that fight still requires you to have some idea of what you're doing and can't be steam rolled over

[fringe yarrow]

i just figured there would be mechanics requiring tank swaps / multiple healers due to people being jailed or whatever

[steady pebble]

when you get into alex's territory

you might need more bodies

but coil can be trio'd

for the most part

[fringe yarrow]

thanks a ton 😃

[blazing pelican]

Recommend that doing Savage Alexander, you bring 8 people

[stable basin]

25 conflu location?

[thorn bear]

!classlogs zalera johnathon bravo war

[storm frost]

**FFLogs Data For Johnathon Bravo of Zalera on WAR**

**Phantom Train**

Warrior: (5222/18652) [3895.83 DPS] [72 Historical] [7:42]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Warrior: (6521/17627) [4369.84 DPS] [63 Historical] [8:54]

**Guardian**

Warrior: (8249/12131) [3811.17 DPS] [32 Historical] [10:56]

**Kefka**

Warrior: (5382/9968) [3905.55 DPS] [46 Historical] [6:05]

**God Kefka**

Warrior: (4596/7071) [4130.71 DPS] [35 Historical] [10:14]

[thorn bear]

ONE DAY I WILL GIT GUD

I fucked up so much in my chad run

overcapping

dropping eye

clipping

[scenic patrol]

[thorn bear]

I love warrior

I spent two pots on that run and I don't regret it

[scenic patrol]

Push for oranges my young clone

[thorn bear]

[scenic patrol]

[thorn bear]

I need to like

actually plan ahead my gcds

and beast gauge

not like plan deep into the fight but

a few gcds ahead

[scenic patrol]

4 GCDs ahead is the rule

[blazing pelican]

[boreal edge]

i didnt know im that good in godka

[hybrid rapids]

Purple

SAM

[quick verge]

mch :(

[steep iris]

oof

[quick verge]

or don't plan your gcds and always chad

[trail skiff]

Poor machinist

[vapid tangle]

Never plan your GCD

Click the first ability and then follow whatever looks shiny.

That's the only right tactic.

Also as a warrior I always plan 7 GCs ahead.

[vital cypress]

i'm surprised ~80th percentile on SAM is that high

[vapid tangle]

Inner release -> fell Cleave 7x

[ivory tiger]

isnt sam the highest dps tho

[vital cypress]

for a long time it was basically tied with SMN

or slightly behind

i guess it and BLM have pulled ahead a bit?

[vapid tangle]

Nope

The highest is BLM

Then SMN

Then SAM

[ivory tiger]

what numbers do they pull

[vapid tangle]

I think like low 7k

Don't quote me on that tho.

[boreal edge]

@vital cypress could be higher if i370 and bis

i was i365 with just random shit aside from diamond katana

[ivory tiger]

that edit tho

LOL

[steep iris]

and god has pretty much like

full uptime if you get good trines

not too sure about 2nd forsaken

[boreal edge]

you dont need good trines

just know when to move

[vital cypress]

one of my bahamuts always comes on right when second forsaken starts

and it makes me slightly sad

[boreal edge]

if its 2nd to 1st

[steep iris]

but yea barely any downtime is why the dps check is so easy

and also why dps is higher

[vapid tangle]

I have done O7S so often with SAM that I know which mechanic is next just by looking at where I am in my ability rotation.

[boreal edge]

only issue is 3rd and 4th forsaken

[steep iris]

sleep/confuse

[boreal edge]

if confuse

[steep iris]

o o f

[boreal edge]

you lose not only your uptime if confuse

[ivory tiger]

Just use kaiken and midare the healer

[boreal edge]

you also lose uptime moving to edge

[vapid tangle]

Also next week is Gamescom. They want us to do byakko and tsukuyomi ex there.

That will be damn easy.

[vital cypress]

as compared to kefaust spending half the fight untargetable

[ivory tiger]

you underestimate the power of this great community

[boreal edge]

but yeah

[vapid tangle]

I feel like communities in PvE games are always way better than communities of PvP games.

[boreal edge]

its easy to do high dps as sam

[vapid tangle]

Yea but people still prefer MNK and NIN

Less dmg but more team utility.

As long as SAM isn't number one dmg dealer it won't see too much use in the best parties.

[boreal edge]

o5s

[steep iris]

tbh sams are fine

[vapid tangle]

Are you playing SKS

Or crit?

[ivory tiger]

sks

[steep iris]

but so many pf sams are shit

[boreal edge]

its random shit

idk whats either

[vapid tangle]

I played crit Sam with like 2.3 crit and 1.3 SKS for a long time

[boreal edge]

but seems sks

[vapid tangle]

And recently switched to full SKS

[boreal edge]

hagakure comes 2 secs late

guess i have excessive sks

[vapid tangle]

SkS is more consistent and it's way more fun.

[boreal edge]

by 2 secs late

i mean

[vapid tangle]

1.99 GCD

[boreal edge]

i do 3 combo rot

that 2 hit combo

[steep iris]

wait

isn't that like

[boreal edge]

than*

[steep iris]

faster than nin

[ivory tiger]

yeet

[vapid tangle]

IDK I don't play Nin

[boreal edge]

ninja is 2.05

[steep iris]

fastboi

[vapid tangle]

I think MNK is faster tho.

[ivory tiger]

mnk is faster

[boreal edge]

mnk is 2.16

[ivory tiger]

meme monk

[vapid tangle]

Well my base GCD is 2.20

But I have my buff on me ofc

Which reduces it to 1.99

[boreal edge]

!myglam

[steep iris]

wow

i want to put

[boreal edge]

!myglamour

[steep iris]

enhanced arrows on sks sam and meme mnk

[boreal edge]

huh?

[vapid tangle]

Oh God no.

[boreal edge]

hello kupo?

[vapid tangle]

It throws you out of your rotation so hard.

[steep iris]

F A S T

[storm frost]

Glamour for Spearya Ashford of Omega

[boreal edge]

hey

[vital cypress]

note to self

[boreal edge]

it fuck up my hagakure

[vapid tangle]

It will do more harm than it does good xD

[rustic lichen]

Kupo is trying their best to best

[vital cypress]

tell our AST to throw enhanced arrows on the NIN

and nothing else

[boreal edge]

i say mnk

[vital cypress]

how 2 draw sanic hegehog

[boreal edge]

ninja still clip shit

[ivory tiger]

is there a way to use an arrow though

[vapid tangle]

Also now that I play SKS SAM I realized that I can get out of tp

[rustic lichen]

Arrows during Riddle of fire are neat

[vapid tangle]

Arrows are alright on war

[boreal edge]

@vapid tangle oh yes i drop below 400 tp 3 mins in o6s

[vapid tangle]

Gotta spam that +400 tp

[vital cypress]

i mean

i'll take an arrow if you have it i guess

[boreal edge]

siren give you free tp

[vapid tangle]

You will take it to your knee?

[boreal edge]

dont

[steep iris]

arrows are always a dps increase

[ivory tiger]

oo f

[vital cypress]

for uh

an extra ruin iii

[vapid tangle]

Don't ruin it now.

[ivory tiger]

oOf

[vapid tangle]

Also I gave up on eureka.

[boreal edge]

i didnt

[vapid tangle]

2 hours mindless grinding were enough to make me quit.

[boreal edge]

will try more next reset

[vapid tangle]

Yea i will wait for next reset.

Then do challenge log for easy 1 and a half lvl up

Then I will see if pagos is getting NM trains.

[ivory tiger]

train should start soon

[vapid tangle]

I'm a big fan of trains because fuck this is so boring I don't even wanna play it.

[steep iris]

chaining is boring period

[vapid tangle]

If people complain about trains then SE should just make it enjoyable enough to not train.

[boreal edge]

chaining is annoying

[steep iris]

i liked anemos

but pagos is just so boring

[vapid tangle]

Anemos was more relaxing since the first lvl ups came quite fast.

30k exp didn't seem so bad.

But now we start with 600k needed immediately.

[steep iris]

and week 1 of pagos i could mass pull enemies

instead of 1 by 1 chaining

[ivory tiger]

pagos more like anemos 2: electric boogaloo

[vapid tangle]

I prefer anemos any day.

Let's play a guess game.

How many people would go into pagos if we wouldn't get such a good weapon out of it?

[boreal edge]

now i got that decent godka parse

[quick verge]

a few thousand

[boreal edge]

i wanna try o7s as sam

[vapid tangle]

I cleared O7S as Sam.

[quick verge]

wipe if biblio first

[vapid tangle]

No?

[boreal edge]

why?

[steep iris]

basically everyone doing pagos rn

[vapid tangle]

I think biblio first is easier.

[steep iris]

well, almost everyone

[boreal edge]

bilbio 1st means ultros

[steep iris]

you can get 370 weps through gougan and rabanasty coins now

[vapid tangle]

I killed him both routes but in biblio Sam's abilities line up better.

[boreal edge]

3 flies are less rdps

because he is untargettable

[vital cypress]

the virgin melee vs the chad ranged/caster

[steep iris]

and a lot of the people who are hardcore into pagos have already cleared uwu

[quick verge]

the virgin ranged/caster

dies to mechanics even though they're ranged

[vapid tangle]

Hey my Statik is me as SAM and a BLM in it.

[thorn bear]

there's legit no reason to do pagos

[vapid tangle]

And I beat him often enough

In O7S

[steep iris]

yes there is

but pagos is boring

[vapid tangle]

There is.

[thorn bear]

unless you for some reason haven't spent the time farming for a 370 weap in the last several months

[vapid tangle]

The weapon.

Else no one would play it.

[steep iris]

that's why i dont do it

[quick verge]

i wanna see the glowy versions of the weapons

[vapid tangle]

Also the 370 weapon isn't as good as the pagos one

For some classes

[steep iris]

people want glam and they have to do it eventually for next relic

[vital cypress]

the virgin ranged/caster dies to mechanics even though they're ranged

don't doxx me please

[boreal edge]

o7s blm

[vital cypress]

what's a trine

[quick verge]

trine more like

im color blind rescue me please

[boreal edge]

its funny

[thorn bear]

aren't diamond weapons +1 weapon damage

so they would just flat out be better?

lol

same with ultima?

[boreal edge]

how trine is easier as melee dps than as ranger

[quick verge]

where'm the uwu weapons

[boreal edge]

[dull radish]

Trine is definitely easier as ranged though?

[boreal edge]

idk

felt easier to me as sam

[dull radish]

You have the same movement but aren't confined to trying to follow boss

[boreal edge]

than as brd/mch

[dull radish]

You can go wherever and it doesn't matter

[rustic lichen]

Trine is easier as ranged yeah

[dull radish]

You might find it easier on melee for some reason

But it's definitely simpler on ranged

[boreal edge]

maybe cause brd/mch press more buttons during trines

unlike sam

[rustic lichen]

And considering ranged, you just go where the boss goes and really that ends up hoping the tank knows where to go

Melee*

[boreal edge]

i raining procs as brd in trines

and overheating as mch

as sam

i got do my combo

[dull radish]

sounds more like a difficulty you have with the job during the mechanic

[boreal edge]

with occasional shintens

[dull radish]

than the actual difficulty of the mechanic itself

[boreal edge]

im not saying its hard as ranged

im saying

i have to focus on fewer things aside from trine as sam than as brd/mch is all

[dull radish]

sure, and that's fine

just, qualify it as, you find trine easier on melee than ranged

not that the mechanic itself is easier on melee over ranged

because just how it is, it's easier as ranged

but if you have problems thinking and dealing with procs and whatnot while you dodge trine, of course it's gonna be harder for you that way

[dull radish]

but it doesn't make it that way for everyone

yes

after I called you out

for generalizing

[scenic patrol]

Trine felt infinitely easier as a healer to me than as a tank

[thorn bear]

I think trine is easy cause I haven't tried to optimize godka that hard

👀

[quick verge]

As a Melee if you really want

[scenic patrol]

That's you're a shitty clone

[quick verge]

just use sprint so you don't get clipped by bullshit hitboxes

[thorn bear]

I used to instantly run to safe spot

instead of sitting in center cause I didn't know explosion time

is primal data center smaller/worse than aether?

or does it not matter at all

[quick verge]

what do you mean

[thorn bear]

I shouldn't say worse I guess

but smaller in raiding population

compared to aether

[quick verge]

prob yeah

[thorn bear]

I have an alt on primal I want to gear up on warrior so I can raid alphascape on off days

without cucking the static I am with rn

[nocturne pine]

o5s dropps so much stuff i need, jesus, thatll take a while

[cunning eagle]

anybody has a proper rotation guide for gathering collectables? google isnt being too nice

[fossil basalt]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L1aDMxZOjhdmzsilToDvsrwqfcUOs6NKxhsCBa1IwVQ/edit

check the table of contents

[cunning eagle]

thanks!

[rustic flax]

Hello, our group is currently finding a rep for UWU tonight, needing a MT if anyone can help? We are on Aether

[hybrid rapids]

try #reddit-recruitment-feed

or finding a sub from The balance

good luck

[crystal mulch]

i heard parsing on low level training dummy can result in lower results because ACT doesn't count overkill damage
is there a way to make ACT count overkill damage?

[wheat garnet]

Maybe try the dummies from Stone sky sea ?

Or the circle of answering depending on your level

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Stone,_Sky,_Sea

They are way tougher. So overkill shouldn't be a problem

[crystal mulch]

oh i meant housing striking dummies

for voidrake seeds what is the best Soil ?

[outer garden]

are you trying to cross them with something or just grow them as is?

[crystal mulch]

i'm begining in gardening i just want to get voidrakes, best would be the highest amount / time

[outer garden]

shroud soil increases yield, fertilizer reduces time

actually nvm, voidrake grow time is too short for fertilizer

[crystal mulch]

so shroud soil best?

[haughty tree]

yes

[outer garden]

g3 will give you a yield of 3

[haughty tree]

you can even get grade 3 shroud soil for poetics if you buy unidentified shells and trade them in at Idyllshire

under the special arms category from the middle NPC for the shells, then talk to the girl on the right and Wondrous Sundries to get soil from shells iirc

[crystal mulch]

shit i used poetics to sell my thanalan soils

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[outer garden]

do you have miner at 50?

[crystal mulch]

no

42

it's ok i'll get less voidrake but i'll get them

[outer garden]

can always see if g2 is cheap

you'll get 2 per yield at least

[crystal mulch]

wait i can't plant anything without soil

i must put a soil

[outer garden]

yes

[crystal mulch]

but

if grade 2 = yeild 2

what i sgrade 1

[cursive spear]

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but is it possible to avoid Tsukuyomi's soft enrage? I've seen 2-6% wipes where we wiped to the stack, but if the person with the stack marker just dies, and then the healer rezzes the tank who gets executed immediately afterwards, that should make enough time to finish the fight...? I think?

[crystal mulch]

i only need miner lvl 30 for shroud soil grade 1

is it easily farmable?

or random ?

[haughty tree]

sucks without the SB miner skills

[outer garden]

oh hm looks like g1 yields 2 as well, the diff only matters for elemental shards

it's pops up randomly

if you have a min retainer that's probably an easier way to get it

[crystal mulch]

i have lvl 40

i don't mind getting slowly voidrakes

but i need soils to even plant the seeds ^^' i'll ask retainer

btw is it true that the Oriental Striking Dummy hp is fixed to 1/1 ?

[outer garden]

no idea sorry

[crystal mulch]

np

oh wait

i can just buy normal soils for 120 gil from the merchant

perfect lol

when it says "The crop is doing well" i don't have to tend right?

also how many times do i have to come back and check if everything is fight?

[steep iris]

you can fertilize every hour

only need to tend to it every 24 hours

[crystal mulch]

but

voidrake is 13 hours

so i don't even need to tend ? 😮 !

[steep iris]

if it's like that then prob not

[junior basin]

No. Tending doesn't really matter for such quick growing plants.

[crystal mulch]

i see

Do high level crafters have clusters in abundance or they have to snipe the special nodes?

need 2 fire 1 earth clusters for summoning bell to be crafted by fc member

[outer garden]

if you just need a few you can gather them at lvl 50

it's from a timed node tho

otherwise aetherial reduction or mb is the way to go

[crystal mulch]

i'm only lvl 42 but i'm sure he'll have some to spare

i heard they're not hard to farm so all good

i can't rotate my striking dummy it keeps resetting ><

just had to relog it works now

[junior basin]

At higher levels you'll get access to something called aetherial reduction. You can get a lot of clusters very quickly that way.

So running out of clusters isn't really a big problem at 60+.

[quick verge]

i got 2 damage downs from trine

poggers

...and it's my best run

heck yeah dude

[steep iris]

first set of trines?

[boreal edge]

@quick verge better than me got 6 stacks

[steep iris]

wtf lmao

[boreal edge]

on my best pld parse

[steep iris]

total?

[boreal edge]

6 stacks in 1 go

[dull radish]

luckily trine is super baby damage down

[steep iris]

WTF lmao

[dull radish]

if you take like a GCD to dodge trine that you would get otherwise by eating a stack

[boreal edge]

got 2 at 1st by ppl failing pillars

[dull radish]

it comes out about even

[boreal edge]

then 4 because heads exploded

so 6 total

[quick verge]

no i get one from first trine

another from 2nd small trine

[boreal edge]

healer used lb3

and it kept going to kill

[quick verge]

and at the very end our brd dc'd so i got 2 more but it didn't matter

[dull radish]

should have gone for legendary 12 stack of damage down

that's the max for it

[quick verge]

how is that even possible

invuln then eat them?

[dull radish]

I dunno but that's where the cap is

and probably why the damage down is so slight

[boreal edge]

the annoying thing in the 8 stacks run i had

[dull radish]

because it can be stacked so much

[boreal edge]

is

[unreal lance]

How low is damage at 12 stacks even

[boreal edge]

i was 4 dps away from godka purple

each stack is 5% less dps

so 60%

[quick verge]

nice

[unreal lance]

Nice

[boreal edge]

i jad 30 for 43 secs

[dull radish]

is it 5%? I thought it was even lower

[boreal edge]

thats 5% more than weakness

5%

[quick verge]

yoinks dude

i should fix these today

[boreal edge]

i was 4 dps away from godka purple

in that kill

[quick verge]

god kefka purple doesn't seem that hard to get tbh

don't die

[steep iris]

i need another 200 dps

[quick verge]

don't get too many damage downs

[steep iris]

to increase my 90% to 95%

in god as a healer

wtf

[boreal edge]

@quick verge as pld?

[quick verge]

yeah

[boreal edge]

well

it depends abit

if your party doesnt tell you

do wings far

[quick verge]

oh that too

sleep instead of confuse on f3/4 is also nice

[boreal edge]

which was in all my pld kills

except that 8 stacks kill

[quick verge]

kek

[quick verge]

kefka kinda hurts when your healers are chads

[ivory tiger]

i recently hit 70 on phantom train pld

and I was all

eeeeeeeeeeeeEEE

you know

[nocturne pine]

i have some wipes below 10% on o5s ;w; just want kills

[unreal flax]

Mechanics wipes or enrage wipes?

[nocturne pine]

mech wipe

[lyric summit]

it gets pretty hectic near the end

you'll get it soon

[frosty stag]

Bring 2 chests weekly back

[heavy mist]

ikr

[thorn bear]

next time I go into o5s party

gonna tell a dps to lb the tank ghost

so I can decimate the adds

[dull radish]

just make the RDM or NIN do it~

[thorn bear]

I don't get those people in parties ;_;

everytime I bring up a dps doing the skip they are like

"wha-"

[wheat garnet]

Wha-

[thorn bear]

pf already can't do war skip

[vital cypress]

our WAR is on PS4

r i p

[thorn bear]

u can do it on ps4 ;))

[vital cypress]

allegedly not

[thorn bear]

ur friend has a slow ps4

because i do it all the time

on ps4

lol

[vital cypress]

and it's not like they do badly on DPS in the fights otherwise

also i finally have an orange parse

now, no one do better than 95th percentile on O5S for the rest of the tier

[lucid karma]

I'm done with O5S for good

and luckily last run was decent pug

[vital cypress]

don't tell anyone that I had a NIN, MCH, and a pocket AST

shh

[lucid karma]

before you're confused this is in JP

using duty finder is normal around here especially after savage unlock

gotta abuse that tank privilege somehow

[vital cypress]

[thorn bear]

FOREVER GREEN PARSE

omg

!classlogs zalera johnathon bravo pld

[storm frost]

**FFLogs Data For Johnathon Bravo of Zalera on PLD**

**Phantom Train**

Paladin: (9525/17319) [3170.03 DPS] [45 Historical] [7:51]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Paladin: (10116/18393) [3726.15 DPS] [45 Historical] [9:44]

**Guardian**

Paladin: (9631/13958) [3414.97 DPS] [31 Historical] [11:44]

**Kefka**

Paladin: (6372/11801) [3727.3 DPS] [46 Historical] [6:57]

**God Kefka**

Paladin: (7120/7825) [3246.96 DPS] [9 Historical] [10:42]

[thorn bear]

46

I just can't fucking

get blue

on kefaust

[vital cypress]

!classlogs balmung estelle auberlaint smn

[storm frost]

**FFLogs Data For Estelle Auberlaint of Balmung on SMN**

**Phantom Train**

Summoner: (603/12062) [6334.07 DPS] [95 Historical] [8:00]

**Demon Chadarnook**

Summoner: (2477/10324) [6179.65 DPS] [76 Historical] [8:31]

**Guardian**

Summoner: (2337/7082) [5937.36 DPS] [67 Historical] [10:30]

**Kefka**

Summoner: (1889/6515) [5742.81 DPS] [71 Historical] [6:40]

**God Kefka**

Summoner: (1537/4660) [6281.97 DPS] [67 Historical] [10:13]

[thorn bear]

i could get a better parse in o5 and o6 now

but kefka is so fucking hard

to get good numbers in

[hybrid rapids]

parse is a meme

what important is killing it

[normal sable]

nah

parses are more important than clears

if i fuck up on chad

you bet your ass i'm not passing kiss

[hybrid rapids]

i will just kill it

and proceed to next

[normal sable]

i'll drop it on both healers reee

[hybrid rapids]

last time I said I have life for other stuff like sporting and/or other video games

and got a fu in return

the person thought i was implying he has no life

[stable basin]

What tank is good for mt and ot?

[lyric summit]

warrior is the best for pulling since it generates the most aggro, drk and pld benefit off of getting hit so logically they'd be better mts, but warrior is a good mt as well, my uwu group has warrior tank most of the fight so I'm no tank expert, you have to adjust to tank swap mechanics and to plan out cooldowns anyways, can't just assign a mt for the whole fight just because of the job

or if you meant like, which tank is good as both mt and ot then the answer is all of them

[stable basin]

I’m stuck on pld or war

Not sure which to lvl

[lyric summit]

pld can be kinda boring but way easier to learn for endgame content

all tanks are good for everything though so just play what you like the looks of more

[elder lark]

I picked PLD to learn eventually because I liked the aesthetics better lol

[stable basin]

Yeah leaning more to them

If you like to MT and OT play DRK and it's a coinflip which one you end up doing xd

[hybrid rapids]

MT usually is WAR > DRK > PLD

generally on current tier

but any is fine

what important is understanding your co tank

for example, intervention/cover from PLD, the blackest night from DRK

can be part of mitigation helping on you

and all tanks have reprisal

[stable basin]

Nicee !

Which one would be easier mt or ot?

@hybrid rapids

[thorn bear]

clear is easy

[hybrid rapids]

PLD is a good tank to pick up to

[thorn bear]

I can get clear whenever I want

[hybrid rapids]

generally

[thorn bear]

all I can do now is improve my performance

[hybrid rapids]

learning curve is easier

imo

[stable basin]

Ahhh I see

[hybrid rapids]

all tanks can be either MT or OT

it's more on optimizing issue, that WAR > DRK > PLD applies to most cases

on MT

[stable basin]

Is ot the same ?

[thorn bear]

depends entirely on the fight

[hybrid rapids]

^

varies on fight, yes

[thorn bear]

in a fight like kefka it isn't mt and ot

it's more of two co tanks

😃

[stable basin]

Oh nice !

[hybrid rapids]

but most non extreme / savage / ultimate fight don't required a tank switch

basically just 1 tank

[stable basin]

Most videos I see has pld and war

[hybrid rapids]

co tank just a DPS

[stable basin]

I’ll try both out

[uncut charm]

well

for non extreme....

your 1 tank is also just a DPS...

Kappa

[lucid karma]

just use your common sense in term of who's to tank in casual content

since it doesn't really matter

[stable basin]

Since I’m new I’ll go with pld to learn it

Then go to war

[hybrid rapids]

it might feels boring on leveling but keep it up

passage of arms and sheltron are both good screenshot skill

:P

[fading slate]

Is the general RDM stat priority still CRIT > DH >= DET > SpS?

[dull radish]

Roughly yeah

[fading slate]

👍

[thorn bear]

could a melee LB1 the tank ghost in o5s to kill it quick enough?

[lyric summit]

that's kinda overkill and a waste of LB, pretty sure you'll have at least lb2 at that point, a rdm or a nin can do it too with just their burst

[thorn bear]

I wanna do it on dps but I don't have the weapons to do it

can't do it on my ninja cause I don't have a 370 weapon

[lyric summit]

what are you saving for it? warriors can do it without a 370 i'm pretty sure

[spice comet]

Nin can do it in 350

Iirc all of them can without 370

Our rdm did it in 350, war was around the same

[lyric summit]

https://youtu.be/ZGY_FjOKsk4?t=24

[thorn bear]

I'm the dps I just said

and I asked the balance and they said it isn't consistent on ninja if you don't have a 365 weapon

like if I don't crit I'm gonna kill everyone

lol

[dull radish]

yeah NIN is a bit sketchy for it without good gear

the others can be a bit overkill for it

RDM at lower ilvl I think you just like toss in a cac for good measure for it

[thorn bear]

on rdm you just go in with dual cast ready

and then like veraero swiftcast verthunder?

or some shit

?

[dull radish]

pretty sure it's like, prep dualcast and swift before going in -> veraero -> fleche + contre -> verthunder -> cac if needed/for safety

[eternal mirage]

Does i340 gathering gear exist?

[last galleon]

Isn’t that the new gear released with 4.3? Onishi?

[eternal mirage]

I'm not sure, that's what I thought but my fc mates didn't think i340 existed?

[last galleon]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Yamashi_Dogi

Gathering variant is yamashi but yeah it’s 340

[eternal mirage]

Oh okay, thank you!

[last galleon]

330 is the ilvl that doesn’t exist I believe

[unreal flax]

I finally got my last piece of blue crafting gear I needed lol. Now my ARM can make 2* stuff without too much thought.

[nocturne pine]

one more o5s kill for my 1st item woo cries bcuz did the dungeon for 3 days

[nocturne pine]

woo, 1st item down

[mortal dust]

ok i was thinking, i saw you can buy ilvl 350 gear on the marketboard, is it worth buying or grinding the tomes of creation for ilvl 330

im kinda doubting what to do next really

btw im ilvl 303 atm

[lyric summit]

i350 can be expensive, nq ones are useless trash, especially weapons, and i330 is free and upgradable to 340, you get a ton of creation anyways

[solemn crow]

Is it too late in the tier to make pf rooms for o5s practices/ clears? Should I just wait until alphascape?

[eternal mirage]

In my server full i350 set costs 5.5m

[solemn crow]

I'm at 358 ilvl rn

[eternal mirage]

Costs about 2m to craft if you buy all mats from mb

Which is strange

[steep iris]

it's never too late

but a lot of people attempting to clear 5s rn are uhh

let's just say not very good

[last galleon]

i still see o5s learning parties every now and then, but the quality of players still doing savage atm can be...inconsistent

ironically o5s is now the hardest fight in the tier since savage unlock...

[steep iris]

of course there are people who started the tier late

[eternal mirage]

I'm one of those plebs wanting to learn o5s atm

[steep iris]

or are new to savage (i was the same in deltascape)

[quick verge]

it's better to do sigmascape savage now rather than later

[steep iris]

wat dc @eternal mirage

if you're a primal bro ill help

[quick verge]

since people will still make learning parties

[eternal mirage]

chaos

D:

[last galleon]

rip

[quick verge]

press F for Chaos hamster

[steep iris]

rip

[eternal mirage]

F

I have a bunch of friends who are offering to help but its just a matter of finding time

Since I recently started FT work

[steep iris]

clear parties rn are pretty big traps tbh

even in 8s you'll have people that can't pull their weight

because they were p much carried through 7s

don't lose hope tho

[eternal mirage]

Damn

[steep iris]

8s pugs were much better when i was attempting to get my clear back in april

[nocturne pine]

took me at least 7 or 8 hrs to get 4 kills on o5s, even when it isnt that hard, some groups are horrible

[eternal mirage]

I mean I still find hw ex farm parties horrible let alone savages

[steep iris]

most recently tried to help my friends get their 8s clear and it was really hard

ended up having to call my static and other friends for a favor

[eternal mirage]

Damn

[quick verge]

8s parties are either complete dick or wtf why are you so good

[eternal mirage]

[quick verge]

wipe to first ultima upsurge but oneshot god

[steep iris]

It's gonna be tough but you'll get there if you wanna put the time into it

imo i'd prob do what i did last tier

just clear first 2 fights, plan to clear next tier

then have friends help me clear previous tier just so i can say i did it

[eternal mirage]

In an ideal world, I'd be able to raid with my whole fc as we clear

We're all competent enough for mechanics

Also will be easier as we're all irl friends and can discord ez

But there's also the matter of full fc = 7 people

[steep iris]

ah if you've got people you know doing it together then it's easier

cause the main problem is finding 7 other people who are decent

[eternal mirage]

In general cases are savages doable with 1-2 less mechanically adept members?

[steep iris]

for 5s and 6s yes even if they're dead for the whole fight

[quick verge]

depends on if they know how to learn

[steep iris]

7s and 8s they at least have to know how to do mechanics

[eternal mirage]

but 7s and 8s?

[steep iris]

but uhh in all cases i stated

[eternal mirage]

Oh

[steep iris]

you'll have to have 7 other people that can carry the deadweight

[eternal mirage]

I see

[steep iris]

which means good dps by everybody

[eternal mirage]

[last galleon]

it's easier to carry DPS than it is to carry failed mechanics

7 and 8 have a couple of places where everyone needs to be on point or it's a group wipe

[solemn crow]

Belated but I see! Guess I'll give it a go when I have time, tyty 🙏 maybe after studying these guides a lot

[eternal mirage]

Learn by doing

[thorn bear]

damn pf is some real shit this late

haven't had a single good o8s run

train runs are sus as heck like usual

chadarnook is ol reliable at least

[nocturne pine]

i never did o6s, but watched a few guides, maybe i should try that one tomorrow

[quick verge]

fuck chadarnook

[thorn bear]

chadarnook is the only fight that if pf fucks up, u found some real geniuses

[lyric summit]

it's the easiest fight this tier

[quick verge]

dies to auto attacks

someone eats an easterly

healer gets cleaved by scythe ghost

people can't spread for demonic pain

someone gets demonic stoned

[lyric summit]

it's like the alte roite of this tier

[lucid karma]

vote abandon after 2nd wipe because PLD keeps dying to autoattack in O6S

haha yes

just fucking cast regen bruh is it that hard

[quick verge]

i have a panic attack when my hp goes under 50% in o6s

[lucid karma]

I'm eh

if I die that's on healers

I already use cooldowns

WAR has plenty of cooldowns to deal with constant tank buster

while PLD have to save for last kiss

why in the goddamn sentinel CD so long tho

[quick verge]

pld cds

rampart

sentinel

sheltron

[lucid karma]

sheltron is silly because you can't even preemptive use it for last kiss

gotta time it real right to have it activate for buster, not AA

[quick verge]

fucking goddess

[lucid karma]

I agree

but fucking chad is fine too

[quick verge]

overall o6s is a very wholesome experience

i have trust issues for life

[lyric summit]

i saw enrage in a pug today, for the first time ever

[thorn bear]

I actually hate playing tank in o6s

because I can't trust my healers to not let me die

aggro is one thing but just dying to autos

chimon brew

[lyric summit]

by 2nd tornado stack i was like "hold up what is this"

[lucid karma]

I play tank because I fucking suck as DPS

[thorn bear]

play dragoon

ezpz

most static rotation in the game

[lucid karma]

can't beat PLD tho

[quick verge]

o6s as pld stresses me out more than the entirety of o8s

good job yoship

[lucid karma]

quite chill for me tho asides from being hallowed ground bitch

because in pug no one does stacking properly

[thorn bear]

o8s stresses me cause I haven't seen enrage in 4ever

I'm never gonna get a diamond weap outside of pld

unless I join a static

[lucid karma]

I just give up for O8S

not really gonna bother other than during static hours

[quick verge]

o8s is woke when kefka is at 2% and you're at knockback towers in forsaken 4

[lucid karma]

because somehow my new static has 2-3 ppl

that is way better than pug

even though they're returners

[thorn bear]

I'm in a static as a sub and they legit do about as well as your average pf right now

actually better because they one shot clown

[lucid karma]

I mean they can reach God Kefka in 6 wipes

I think?

[thorn bear]

meanwhile aether pf, someone leaves if you die once on clown

[lucid karma]

returner guys' dps quite good

they just don't understand mechanics (duh)

[cyan patio]

does anyone know who titan targets for landslides on ultima ultimate?

is it a completely random target, the tank, or anything related to enmity at all?

[thorn bear]

nael

[cyan patio]

whats that mean?

[thorn bear]

you said titan

in ultimate bahamut

lol

[cyan patio]

good point

fixed

[lyric summit]

during ultima in uwu? I'm 99% sure all titan landslides there are fixed

during titan in uwu, that's just a random player I think

the ultima landslides are on a random player, like after predation, but that's why you always stay stacked when they're about to go out, and titan does his own thing in the background with no target

although the landslides during mid bombs might have some aggro targeting priority, we/most(?) groups stack on mt, dodge clockwise, then one tank goes back and the rest of the party continues clockwise, and we seem to always have the same landslide pattern there, but I'm not sure if it's because there's 7 people always stacked or because he's always targeting a tank, but I have no idea about tank things

but the ones during gaols/healer gaol are random

[hybrid rapids]

Titan landslide during ultima suppression phase is targeting a random player

[lyric summit]

oh yeah huh

but everyone's like stacked at/close to the gaol anyways

[hybrid rapids]

no

varies on strat

and the mesohigh person had to move earlier

if you meant spread strat

[lyric summit]

mario kart strat 🏎

but yeah tru

still don't even know which landslides he meant

[hybrid rapids]

most likely Titan phase

[cyan patio]

was woken titan ty for the answers

[glad tapir]

Lalafell Simulator 1.0

Tamagotchi's are back

[quick verge]

what are you talking about

[glad tapir]

wait what you dont know whats a Tamagotchi? 😁

you can feed him, you can take him for a walk, you can play with him and you can put him to bed! hahahaha

[quick verge]

and this app does neither of those things

[glad tapir]

well i guess you are not from the generation who was playing with tamagochi's otherwise you would get the joke, with the lalafell simulator

[dull radish]

I grew up with tamagochi and I don't really get the connection

like little character on screen, is about it

[glad tapir]

look at the smart phone looks like a tamagochi egg

[dull radish]

not really

it looks like a smartphone with a tomestone design on the back of it

[quick verge]

looks like a tomestone of poetics

[dull radish]

yeah

[glad tapir]

i mean the smart phone screen. a pet (lalafell) with few buttons, for play, feed, take a walk, sleep the lalafell

[cunning eagle]

I would play that

[cunning eagle]

If I can poke my pet's imaginary kneecaps

[glad tapir]

this looks like a tamagochi

[dull radish]

I still think it's quite a bit of a stretch

[glad tapir]

ok what ever i give up 😒

[craggy gate]

I thought it looked like a pokedex

[vapid tangle]

haven't really used the marketboard in forever

and from what I heard it's the main reason for that app.

at some point you just craft your shit yourself.

[kindred otter]

I just registered on it for the free teleport point 😛

might as well get something out of this waste of resources

[vital cypress]

monetize everything

[coarse radish]

https://xivdb.com/item/5438/buffalo+horn

Buffalo Horn

The colossal horn of a giant buffalo.

Wtf is this used for and how do you get it

[vapid tangle]

I would guess from a Buffalo

[coarse radish]

It says it came out in 2.0

[vapid tangle]

2.0 is vanilla

[coarse radish]

But its a couple mil on the mb with 0 purchases

Only 3 of them

So like, only 3 on the mb over the past few years and never bought

Hence my question

No website has info

Ah, found out why

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3ob5xx/tricorns_and_fish_that_dont_exist/

A bunch of these out there

TIL

Thank you companion app for making me bored enough to browse the items sections of the mb

[unreal lance]

Nice

[quick verge]

another day in o6s

another day of dying to auto attacks

[unreal lance]

Sounds like me healing

Gotta cast that broil 2

[quick verge]

when your o8s farm dies before it even starts because of people dcing during pulls

is anyone on primal having dc issues rn

[unreal lance]

Probably

[quick verge]

farm party monkaS

[normal mesa]

what's the issue

[quick verge]

it feels surreal that everyone is doing their thing

[normal mesa]

o

lmfao

yeah i was gonna say holy shit how dare you complain

my last group said farm and had tanks almost doing less than healers

[vapid tangle]

To this day, I was too lazy even trying kefka.

But I cleared O7S a handful of times so good enough.

[eternal mirage]

Did probably 20 o5s runs today

Still no clear

Hopefully tomorrow's a better day for pf

[stable basin]

[eternal mirage]

Two parties, generally failing DPS checks and boss enrage

People dying left right centre results in such I guess

[stable basin]

am i missing something?

[quick verge]

prob not

probably a meme comp

[eternal mirage]

I mean uh

2 Rez mages and a tank

Is there a resident drk expert around?

[ivory tiger]

yes. turn offmonitor for maximum darkness.

[steep iris]

tfw you get a healer in 6s that heals everything

yeaboi.png

but

I got too greedy

so I had to hardcast rez 2 times

feelsbadman

[quick verge]

was it a tank

[steep iris]

https://compa.s-ul.eu/fcwIL4Zt.png

LOOOOOOL

like

I chadded pretty hard

[quick verge]

understatement of the century

how'd you even beat enrage

[steep iris]

cause only my cohealer was a pug

so we had pretty good dps to begin with

[quick verge]

oh right this is alte roite 2

you could afk and still beat enrage

[steep iris]

i'm honestly

never chadding this hard again

it's not worth the pain

[quick verge]

how many times did you use succor/adlo

[steep iris]

i was an ast

and uhh

6 times

[quick verge]

monakS

[solemn crow]

quesiton - for o5s, the tethered ghost only affects the player being tethered right? It won't affect another player who also has a ghost on them?

[lyric summit]

correct

[solemn crow]

oh ok that's a lot less spooky

ty

[lyric summit]

I dunno it's still pretty spooky 👻

[lime otter]

@eternal mirage wait are people actually still failing o5s when they have 370 gear? Jezus.