endgame-lounge

[valid gate]

[quick verge]

is that an uwu weapon

[valid gate]

ye

3 days of prog and clear

pog

[lyric summit]

didn't even fill this is so sad

any chaos legends need a caster for uwu reclear hmu 😗

[opal hollow]

wtf 3 days of prog

[boreal edge]

i wiped at 6% enrage and dont feel like going in again

[valid gate]

:^)

[vital cypress]

not again

also congrats

[golden zenith]

does anyone here use a tunneling service or vpn to play?

i was wondering what different programs people used

[boreal edge]

most ppl use mudfish

cause its decent and cheap

[golden zenith]

i was using mudfish, but it's pretty bad right now

a lot of nodes are dying left and right, and the actual tunelling isnt that good for me

i tried NoPing and PingZapper so far, and they've done a much better job at tunelling

[boreal edge]

idk then

not pc player so cant comment

[sullen sable]

I used Battleping and it worked pretty well

[dull radish]

I use pingzapper, been treating me pretty fine

[eternal mirage]

I was going to use wtfast but my router firmware no longer supports it

[zinc vortex]

i live 30 minutes away from the server :)

[stable basin]

@zinc vortex

[quick verge]

progging is so shit when you have to redo something

[heavy mist]

i just wanna prog ultimate....

sigh

[normal mesa]

same. lost my group and have no leads for a new one

i was at titannnnn -sobs-

[quick verge]

just pug

haha

[normal mesa]

can never find parties up when I'm online

plus I've got a kiddo so i sorta gotta plan my time explicitly for prog?

hard to focus on shit with a loud I WANT A SANDDDDWICHHHH behind me

[quick verge]

me but with a cat scaring the shit out of me

[heavy mist]

if there was a pug for ult

id join by now

[hybrid rapids]

!faq GoRaid

[storm frost]

1. Get Started to Raiding in SB By Kiri Kotone 🐣 2. An Intro to Raiding by Bokchoy 🥗

Info

1.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q8sKFJjv0mvh1pI0ji28M7PG0B0AIjMz6CxuIH6eBCo
2.https://bokchoykn.wordpress.com/2018/04/23/taking-the-savage-plunge-a-primer-for-starting-end-game-content/

[true lark]

working on RAID TRAINING DSICORD ™

[regal halo]

Reido Toreiningu Deesukoodo?

[true lark]

🏯

[steep iris]

💪

[glad tapir]

💪

[unreal lance]

[opaque temple]

How much gill would it be to buy crafted gear for one job at the begining of alphascape?

[quick verge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

a lot

depends on your server

and the population of crafters/gatherers

[opaque temple]

Does 55 million sound enough? Or it's back to going to normal raids each week to fill in the gaps

[heavy mist]

really depends how fast they come out

and the server you on

[scenic patrol]

Wait a day

[heavy mist]

it does take some time for the crafting people to get the mats

[scenic patrol]

And you'll be able to buy a set for like 20 mil

Or 30

Depends

Save up Mendacity for mats anyhow

[heavy mist]

also depends on if people wanna craft for your job

:/

[scenic patrol]

And farm em like mad

[heavy mist]

should be 2k mend to 500 of the new one

iirc?

oh right u can spend mednacity for mats 💤

[scenic patrol]

Well convert creation into Mendacity

In 4.4

4/1 ratio

[heavy mist]

yeh thats what i was trying to sya

was like

its 5 weeks to max mendacity?

hmm doing math yes

[scenic patrol]

2 weeks and a half

When cap is raised

[spice comet]

If ur going for world first

U prob want a personal crafter

For week 1 if u raid normal mc hrs, u can get away in actually 370

[stable basin]

why can't you be your own personal crafter?

[spice comet]

I raided 5 and 6 in 340 and got one piece crafted for 7 to start

Or u can but world first, gotta compete and prog

[opaque temple]

Plan is to go as fast as possible that pf allows, and there probably won't be a reason to save gil, plenty of time to make it up before the next expansion

[spice comet]

Pf.....is most likely a shit show, if u wanna go fast I recommend a static if possible

[opaque temple]

Finished week 3 in pf during sigma, see plenty of statics take months to clear so no reason to join someone when some random people will get the job done earlier

[spice comet]

thats true too...

[quick verge]

find a hc static then

finish week 1

[heavy mist]

you can finish week 2

ive seen some PFs do it

really just depends on o11s 💤

[quick verge]

o11s is gonna be the real bahamut

[boreal edge]

already paid 40 mil

for a crafter

to craft for 7 players

[opaque temple]

Choas is lame for finding people, one third are french, another third germans so many statics recruit people from there and not speak english

[spice comet]

Yeah go hc, one week prog

[opaque temple]

Not sure anyone is prepared for that much hardcore samurai action

[pure yoke]

I'll show you hc samurai

https://puu.sh/B8Xj5/2a0edf894a.png

[steady pebble]

._.

[normal mesa]

w h y

[quick verge]

that's not the craftsmanship one tho

cease scum

[boreal edge]

finally o6s orange on rankings

[unreal flax]

vit melds are important, Mug. Don't make fun of people thinking of the group

[quick verge]

they should've melded determination instead

😡

[unreal flax]

Tenacity so they can survive bigger hits.

!whoequip @pure yoke

[storm frost]

Equipment for Espresso Mug of Balmung [item level 370]

Lancer's Arm

Gae Bolg Ultima

Head

Dai-ryumyaku Hachiga
ne of Maiming

Body

Dai-ryumyaku Jufuku
of Maiming

Hands

Diamond Gauntlets of
Maiming

Waist

Diamond Tassets of M
aiming

Legs

Diamond Trousers of
Maiming

Feet

Diamond Greaves of M
aiming

Earrings

Dai-ryumyaku Earring
of Slaying

Necklace

Dai-ryumyaku Necklac
e of Slaying

Bracelets

Diamond Bracelet of
Slaying

Ring

Diamond Ring of Slay
ing

Ring

Dai-ryumyaku Ring of
Slaying

Soul Crystal

Soul of the Dragoon

[quick verge]

aha a dragon main

[unreal flax]

Same, except one of us is good

[quick verge]

tOxic

[unreal flax]

I'm trying to decide if I want to use the Diamond bracelet or the Dai-Ryumyaku bracelet. Mug, weren't you using the crafted ring for a while in your BiS or was that just a temp thing?

[heavy mist]

he still is

2.46 is super comfy due to things lining up for the first couple LOTDs

or u can be 2.44 making it easier to get 9 GCD inside B4B

[unreal flax]

Yeah, I'm using the 2.44s set right now. Switching one piece brings me to the 2.46s and it feels nice, but I have to be more mindful of when I use B4B due to the difficult to get 9GCDs consistently.

[pure yoke]

I am wearing the wrong ring

[opal hollow]

Damn I'm hyped for sigma uncap

Can finally gear my alts

[opal hollow]

Damn

Did not consider mendacity

FK me why do some classes use so much mendacity

[heavy mist]

eh thats how it is

[opal hollow]

did act triggers die this patch?

[glad tapir]

[quick verge]

damn

I gotta look at the tower now?

[glad tapir]

hope its not otherwise rip netflix while raid

[shrewd badger]

Anyone know how to enter the EX Rath solo?

[glad tapir]

👇
🚨

[opal hollow]

4min rath normal kill

ezpz

[glad tapir]

does normal mode and EX drop the same tokens? or diffrent one

[steady pebble]

different

[opal hollow]

ooft

we speed running bois

[glad tapir]

wait the ex fight takes only 4 min? xD

[thorn bear]

SAVAGE unlock

Time to get that FUCKKNG DIAMOND COFFER

Not just one, but many

[glad tapir]

you will need do a lot of ERP for many diamond coffers 😌☝

[opal hollow]

no

that was normal

turns out you can do 8 dps for like 3 min runs lol

but you just need an 8 man for it

[stable basin]

so how do you do lvling in the new zone ?

same as anemos

NM

but from 20 to 21 ?

same as anemos. NM

[steady pebble]

do your challenge log

[stable basin]

can I use anemos to lvl up ?

[steady pebble]

not sure

have you tried?

[stable basin]

w

well f

just got delevel cause no one want to go pass the lv 40 dragon

[opal hollow]

OH WAIT woops

i misread

mbmb

ignore what i said LMAO

[stable basin]

damn here I thought playing on the JP server will be easy

but there seem to be missing the res team like in anemos

[steady pebble]

ppl might be a bit leery at the start

cos no mount

[stable basin]

ya I think I wait for the a map on reddit before I carry on

and I need to re level back in anemos

[steady pebble]

you can get the lvl back in pagos

[stable basin]

it safer in anemos

not much risk

and well I don't trust people to res outside of their lvl

get in a rath ex clear party
first pull goes well so far
get to transition
healer get on back without so much a word and i dies cuz i didn't know he was on him
wipe because they failed it later
2nd pull healer doesn't esuna dots

needless to say i left that party

[boreal edge]

reading skill is rare to find

[stable basin]

nah it was a thing him and the two dps decided

and they said nothing to me

the fault was on them

[boreal edge]

ppl still do it with 2 dps

after ppl found rathalos meta

pld drk war sch

[stable basin]

it've been only two hours, there is no meta

[boreal edge]

[stable basin]

why sch?

ast can do it better

[boreal edge]

selene esuna

[stable basin]

oh she has it?

[boreal edge]

yes

aoe

[stable basin]

cool

[boreal edge]

you dont get one shot by stuff as tank

[stable basin]

the healer was a whm if you were curious

[boreal edge]

making it simple

and idk if it has dps check

[stable basin]

seems like every healer like that i run into are all WHM

[boreal edge]

but if 3 tanks 1 healer can do it

i dont think its tough one to do

[stable basin]

it's not

but when the other people beside you are a full tard

it's tough

[frosty stag]

Tbh SCH and AST will have an easier time in there

[delicate cove]

i get the SCH

why AST?

[glad tapir]

because he get cool looking cards

[stable basin]

How do you guys find rathlos ?

Have yet to try him out

[frosty stag]

Synastry

[opal hollow]

rathlos quest is in kugane

[stable basin]

synastry works with esuna?

[opal hollow]

fuck me

[unreal flax]

lol wtf

So, you can cleanse the tether target and yourself at the same time?

[stable basin]

it says on yourself or a party member will affect the esuna to yourself and your bond target

so you can esuna 3 for the price of one

assuming it's right

[opal hollow]

damn finally cleared o8s with my static

i swear we're getting progressively worse

[scenic patrol]

Sounds like Godka prog

[quick verge]

the fuck is this

relearning godka because a drk wants to do big brain strats

[unreal flax]

Congrats Sarra <3

[dull radish]

how big of a brain are these strats?

[quick verge]

they want me to drag kefka to off-center for big trine

mt drags kefka nw for small trine

different order for taking embraces

[dull radish]

mm uptime stuff for trines yeah

not especially important if you're just looking for the clear yeah haha

[opal hollow]

nah we've cleared it like

7 weeks in a row now

it's jsut getting harder and harder

we used to be able to one shot kefaust and godka

lol

[quick verge]

and then i got kicked because healers can't keep me alive

is there a list of pug strats for kefka

[stable basin]

yay got L22 and finished challenge log

Now what :V

does anyone know what level is needed for the anthernet shard in pagos ?

[craggy gate]

the one I got to I was 21 when I attuned to

[stable basin]

You can attune at 21?

Why didn't I try >.<

[craggy gate]

we were surprised lol

[primal belfry]

is this the place where you discuss rathlos

[fossil basalt]

sure why not

[primal belfry]

My roommate is PFing EX right now

Relying on other people to not make mistakes 3 times or else you wipe is raising his blood pressure lol

Is Bardam's Mettle training for this

[delicate kestrel]

anyone know why i suddenly couldn't donate anything

i did the subquest and was able to donate weeks ago

[opal hollow]

whast's peoples opinion of rath ex?

[azure hill]

It caps out when the reconstruction is done

[opal hollow]

only finally getting it

[still inlet]

It's fun, some things to be mindful of, but you can definitely polish the encounter off. Making the most of the windows when he's prone for massive damage

[primal belfry]

It's more fun with people you know than randos due to the 3 deaths rule

[stable basin]

so any have problem staying in pagos ?

keep having network problem

[craggy gate]

I mean I dc'd but it was completely my end

otherwise it was smooth

anemos gave me lots of trouble when I did that

[stable basin]

btw is pagos using a new crystal ?

[ornate blade]

magia? no

the 5 from anemos carry over, and i think 5 is still max?

[opal hollow]

holy shit i love how drk can tank all of the stack markers when they get it

living dead is fucking sick

in rath ex

[hybrid rapids]

the stack doesn't matter tbh

stack around and hit together

is best

4~5 mins per kill

[opal hollow]

holy shit

finally cleared

[limpid ocean]

@stable basin new pagos crystals, and icy protean crystals

[stable basin]

@limpid ocean oh no cheesing the weapon then thx for the info

[opal hollow]

cleared rath in first person mode

ama

also almost threw up cuz it's terrible

[stable basin]

yeah

i played as tank in fpm once

it was hilariously awful

[opal hollow]

it's a refreshing change though

[stable basin]

the movement was SO off

[opal hollow]

RIGHT

[stable basin]

it's like

they switched back to camera based movement

over character movement

for fpm

[opal hollow]

yeah lol

it annoys me that you can run backwards

can't*

[last galleon]

works for me

is the site not loading at all for you or just having trouble reaching fflogs?

ah, i always just do encounter by ID

yeah i get an error with character search too.

[quick verge]

that's a lot of dupes

[stable basin]

quadrating dupe

[last galleon]

but did you both have garuda out at some point or does the app just split contagion regardless

though with that level of dps idk if they'd know to do a petswap opener

huh

you got robbed

lol

that's hilarious

[stable basin]

can i get an explantion on that?

[last galleon]

half of Memories rdps contribution from a mag vuln up got wrongfully attributed to other SMN due to how xivrdps treats dupes, even though they never summoned the pet that actually applied the debuff in question. assuming that's what you were asking about?

[stable basin]

ahhh

so just parsing derp

not game derp

ok good

[last galleon]

yeah

just attribution derp

[stable basin]

o5s farm with 366 required

lol

[quick verge]

you ever have a revelation and understand everything you've ever done wrong

[last galleon]

Yeah, when I realized I could right click->turn in on quest items instead of dragging them from my inventory.

[stable basin]

yeah

that was a find discovery for me

[eternal mirage]

I found that out 2 days ago

So much of my life has been spent randomly looking through my inv

[frosty stag]

dem these bitchy PF

[near inlet]

you know he's in the server right

[frosty stag]

nope

[near inlet]

uh he's in the kupo supporters

role

[frosty stag]

[stable basin]

he is

6633

kek

first-timers welcome

^

war skip and 2 mistakes kick

welcoming newbs

[frosty stag]

1st timers welcome but be i370

idk how to feel

[glossy musk]

@outer ridge 👀

[last galleon]

that has to be trolling right

given the locked slots

[stable basin]

idk

ask the guy here

he's available

i dare ya

[frosty stag]

[rustic lichen]

Can you deploy off your fairy in Rath ex?

[weary jolt]

apparently yes

[normal sable]

Yes

And it's amazing to fairy the mounter

[rustic lichen]

Yeah, my scholar was saying they couldn't press their healing buttons at all when we went in the first time to the no heals phase, but that doesn't make any sense. Not that I don't believe em

[vital cypress]

the long, proud tradition of going into a farm, clearing in like two pulls, then exploding over and over again

[frosty stag]

synastry the mounter

[normal mesa]

@rustic lichen i mean they can hit the buttons but the debuff you get LITERALLY says that you can't get healed by anything but the mega potion things

[frosty stag]

yea

even benediction resulted in a 0 heal

you can shield tho

[dark compass]

Lol got my rath mount on my 4th try

[opal hollow]

wait

it drops from the boss?

[steady pebble]

its a possible drop, yes

[opal hollow]

omg good to know

[opal hollow]

what's the telegraph for rathalos' jump fire attack

and how do you dodge it

LOL

[heavy mist]

Its the double stomp using its feet

You literally just move away towards to the sides

@opal hollow

Or move back towards where he's gonna move

[boreal edge]

@heavy mist he meant fire jump

he literally look at you for 2 sec

if he rotated to you and just stared

move from his face

@opal hollow

[outer ridge]

oh hey

[opal hollow]

aight

i'll try that

it's the only shit hitting me at this point

[fading shoal]

so taking the regen potion ito consideration, what is the best solo class for eureka?

[opal hollow]

probs rdm?

or smn

[fading shoal]

oh i thought it would be one of the tanks but oh well, rdm still uncontested soloer I guess

[faint temple]

Um excuse me, does regen or any HoTs work in the later phase of Rathalos trial?

[boreal edge]

no

you can say

its o8s incurable

that last you whole last phase

[fading shoal]

except the duty action heals you

[faint temple]

Thanks!

[boreal edge]

boss should die before you use half your pots

[fading shoal]

people take sch with slene for the mass cleanse of the dots afaik

[boreal edge]

as long only thing you eat is soak

[opal hollow]

does the mount drop from carving him/

[boreal edge]

it does drop

but dunno if a chest or skinning him

[opal hollow]

ok just making sure im not missing anything LOL

oh

[glad tapir]

yeah 10 pots more than enough ppl use them way to rare

dying all time because they afraid to use pots

was yesterday with pugs there ppl have longer reactiontimes like my grandmother x.x

[opal hollow]

if it's incomplete parties then sure

but duty complete

i expect you to know how to dodge it

lol

[weary jolt]

people have been getting mount drop from the chest, carving only gives scales/scales+ afaik

[boreal edge]

i wonder if kihra will add rathalos EX in fflogs

[stable basin]

anyone know how to unlock the smith in pagos ?

[merry wadi]

Gotta complete pagos story line

[stable basin]

o_o

...................... why

[merry wadi]

Don't know to lock us behind what is probably a week of grinding

People already lvl25 in 24 hours

While I'm stuck at 21 cause every instance I'm in is dysfunctional and not working to spawn the 4 nms it can clear and making it hard to farm normal mobs to get 2 through 5k exp a pop

But ya not that bad of a grind

Also apparently if your lvl 20+ anemos nms still give you their normal exp value upon death

[stable basin]

but we can't use anemos to level grind right ?

[merry wadi]

You can use anemos though the highest value exp comes from paz and that's like 35k or something

[stable basin]

if only pagos NM spawn rate is as high as anemos

or that the rabbit fate give exp >.<

[merry wadi]

Give it a day or 2 for people to get higher level once people are able to kill mobs at a fast enough rate nms should spawn more frequent, problem is being level 20 in pagos is like being level 1 in anemos. So it's going slow as all hell. I just sort of hope we get daily quest that we can do for exp in pagos hopefully

[steady pebble]

it was pretty slow for anemos originally

until ppl figured out what spawned what nms, etc

like better to just wait for ppl to figure shit out if you're not keen on grinding on mobs and just want to do the afk fate train

[stable basin]

isn't the current thought is that SE slow down NM spawn rate ?

[steady pebble]

i'm sure there are ppl who believe that

but its been a day

[merry wadi]

Hmmm... it seems like the same rate I sat around and watched people killed the furbies to spawn snow queen and they took forever to kill those snowrunts

So it's just people are not killing mobs at a frequent rate

[stable basin]

that can't be help when the kill team are lvl 21 or 22

[merry wadi]

Aye

It also doesn't help when people drag you to fight the worms and demons but your level 21 you'll just get one shot

[stable basin]

ya still why lock the smith behind a wall when you need the crystal for say wall

seem odd

[merry wadi]

I'm wondering why their doing Crystal's again cause I though in a interview someone asked if the relic quest would be crystal farming in pagos and he said no. I might have read wrong though

[hoary socket]

It's not the same as it was before

You need crystals and light

[stable basin]

like letting people see their weapon upgrade is better system to put people on the ground fighting then locking it behind a wall

wait................... did you say "LIGHT !!?!?!" 0o0

[hoary socket]

Get to lvl 25 and you'll see, you can grind light while killing mobs

[stable basin]

oh boy getting a PTSD with last light step for HW relic

[hoary socket]

You need light to operate the forges, which let you compress your crystals into stronger 'frozen' ones. You need 5 frozen pagos crystals for a weapon

Forges are located in northern parts of the map around the lvl 35 mobs

[stable basin]

pagos max is 40 right ?

[hoary socket]

As far as I know no one has farmed enough light/normal crystals yet to test the forges.

[steady pebble]

35

[hoary socket]

Max is 35

But you might not need to be 35 to get the first weapon.

[stable basin]

oh ok only 21 right now so it's going to take some time

[merry wadi]

The purple wep part might be locked behind the ice paz of pagos louhi I think his name is. I've just been calling him luigi

[hoary socket]

I made it to 25 with about 12 hours of grinding. But there is no NM train yet.

Even when there is an NM train it won't be like it was. NMs take a lot longer to pop

So unless you're level 35 trying to pop NMs for materials, you'll want to be in a group of 8 grinding mobs 5 levels higher than you

[stable basin]

so they killing off the easiest and fastest way to farm if only I have more time on my hand for a full day grind

[merry wadi]

I still dont think the spawn rate of nms in pagos is lower, I still think it's just cause its opening week and everyone is being dysfunctional causing everything to take longer. As well as were still freshly new to the zone

[stable basin]

true but info seem really slow on pagos compact to anemos

[steady pebble]

not really

this is pretty much how anemos went for the first week

[hybrid rapids]

And also there’re a lot more active players during anemos

At least in my data center, players are a lot lesser

[eternal mirage]

Everybody be doin rath

[hybrid rapids]

More like people unsubbed the game

[steady pebble]

ye

lots of ppl trying to catch up to pagos

so anemos is fairly active right now, pagos not so much

so its probably going to be a bit of slow going

[hybrid rapids]

EL 17 yes? To enter pagos

[steady pebble]

ye

just gotta complete the story for anemos

personally, i think it might be better to just push to 20

in anemos

[hybrid rapids]

Even they managed to hit 17 but recruitment only finding EL 20 xD

[steady pebble]

cos the first story requires 21

so may as well start pagos at 20

[hybrid rapids]

To unlock another crystal right?

[steady pebble]

newp

[stable basin]

the dev should have push pagos out before rathalos just to keep the playerbase playing a bit longer

then again the 4.4 is a month away and there two event this month

[steady pebble]

So people could complain about staggered content more?

[stable basin]

people already complain about relic weapon being put near to the next big patch may as well give them their bone early

[hoary socket]

Idk what you mean that pagos isn't as active. Every instance I entered was 144/144 all day

[steady pebble]

i've been in a few that were like 30-40ppl

but probably didnt help it was late night

[hoary socket]

They were either super fresh or super old.

[steady pebble]

could be

[hoary socket]

Even a few weeks ago you could from a 144/144 anemos. It just sends everyone entering eureka to the same instance until it's full. Then makes a new one.

[quick verge]

pretty sure anemos is still packed

since people are finishing their challenge logs

[steady pebble]

challenge log works in both

[outer ridge]

Yeah I got 90% of my log in pagos, the only thing I need is more ice move I think.

[hoary socket]

I was a few hours late to getting into pagos so people already knew some of the np spawn mobs so I did my logs while grinding lvl 25 mobs.

But I was lucky

[outer ridge]

Same, I got in after doing rath for a bit

But yeah when I got there we were farming the 26 novs to spawn the Tguy

[opal hollow]

THE IDEAL RATH EX GROUP

i think people are blowing the effectiveness of tanks out of the water

[hoary socket]

No sch

[opal hollow]

wow that was so smooth

[glad tapir]

miss old shake it off effect

[opal hollow]

the only problem was

nobody got hit

by anything

except the stack marker lol...

melee dps probs woulda been better

or just dps in general

[glad tapir]

i am just image the burst on the last phase 4x inner release when rathalos is on the ground

[quick verge]

hell yeah brother

the tail kinda just

dies

[glad tapir]

tail instant dead xD

[opal hollow]

you'd think so

but that one war

basicallyt was afk

[quick verge]

sad

[opal hollow]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

got targetted for every stack aoe

fuck me

rath hates me

[quick verge]

when you see people you recognize on pf

feelsGREAT

[unreal flax]

I see one of my friends from ultros every now and then I just send her a /tell that says something like "Good luck in your farm! <3" or something along those lines.

[ornate blade]

week 300, BiS drg, still dying to kefaust mechanics

living the dream

😎

[quick verge]

left/right puddles are so hard to see in f3/f4

[opal hollow]

fucking oath

[opal hollow]

autotranslate

feature is the best shit

what's the easiest melee dps?

[boreal edge]

@opal hollow this

[quick verge]

69

[boreal edge]

@quick verge hey im pure

no lewd stuff

[opal hollow]

is SAM actually the easiest?

it seems hard to maximise dps

[unreal flax]

It's very hard to maximize DPS. DRG is the easiest.

[opal hollow]

sick

levelling my drg rn as well

[boreal edge]

@opal hollow i got 6300 in my 1st o6s kill

could get 6500

if with didnt get plane twice

and get prey twice

[opal hollow]

as SAM?

[boreal edge]

yes

[opal hollow]

it has a high skill ceiling but low skill floor imo

[boreal edge]

low skill floor

oh and im i365

not even bis

idk why ppl spread nonsense about sam being hard

its literally easiest melee dps

the so called maximization

requires using seigan

which is barely an increase

[opal hollow]

hmm

i'll try both then

i guess i could use diamond coffer on both

waddafak

rath has an enrage

[normal sable]

DRG is easier

Esp if you know the fight

[scenic patrol]

All arguments of difficulty of jobs is mostly subjective

Tbh

[quick verge]

Hardest job is being a yo han cultist

[normal sable]

hey you watch ur mouth

our boy yo han now has 4 godka clears

[quick verge]

people try to slander him

[quick verge]

does anyone know the rdps requirement for god kefka

[rustic lichen]

32k i think

[unreal flax]

From my own clears, I'd say it's 32k+

[rustic lichen]

around that

[quick verge]

hm

seems pretty lenient

with all the cheesing for lbs you can do

[dull radish]

yeah it's relatively lenient, especially with current ilvls

[unreal flax]

Like, aren't these fights basically designed to be tight for the minimum ilevel? Once you're past that, each ilevel makes it easier and easier. At this point, everyone should be i370 even with crap stats/weapons but enough main stat to make up the difference.

And, if you've made it that far, your DPS should be plenty to beat enrage.

[quick verge]

we had like...

5 deaths maybe

[unreal flax]

My first clear, we had three deaths at around the 4min mark which led to a healer LB3, then another death around 7:30 and my only death at the first tower/wing mechanic lol

[ornate blade]

what the fuck

ur clear was one of my highest godkefkas

i thoguht it was a shitshow

[pure yoke]

SAM does have a high ceiling

I am kinda hardstuck at 7250 dps on SAM on o6s

.>

[ornate blade]

[quick verge]

what percentile is 7250

[normal sable]

Probably like barely orange

[quick verge]

trash

jajajaja

just find people to pad your parses

[steep iris]

fairly sure it's high orange

[lyric summit]

7216 is 99th

[normal sable]

[lyric summit]

(over last 2 weeks)

[steep iris]

my friend got 97 with 7168 dps

[pure yoke]

I don't really take Samurai too seriously

I just play it in trap party

[quick verge]

oh...

[lucid karma]

I don't really take Samurai too seriously
to be fair no one does

not even memeing lots of ppl just expect the worst when there's SAM in party

[quick verge]

i instantly tilt if the samurai doesn't use diversion

[lucid karma]

as tank, please don't use diversion

free cooldown for me

:^)

[quick verge]

oof

[torn kindle]

Everyone knows that the hardest job is RDM with 300+ Ping.

^ That's the face of pain you make.

[lucid karma]

at 300+ ping even crafting becomes tiresome

[torn kindle]

Makes all your macros have a 5 second wait timer

cries in lower food efficiency.

[lucid karma]

nah more like this

[torn kindle]

OOF

[lucid karma]

iconic duo

[torn kindle]

I always have a miniature freak-out when I am about to finish a craft but I see that red ball of doom.

Sometimes I'm lucky and the game refunds the materials

other times though...

[lucid karma]

always expect the worst

DC on first day of big patch trying to craft new gears is big OOF tho

millions gil gone

[quick verge]

yikes

spontaneous suicide

[lucid karma]

made back more but still left very sour taste on my life

even video games can cause trust issue

[heavy mist]

That's why I trust no one

[crystal mulch]

50 mn in queue for the aery

so much harder to level up with dps ./

lvl 58 stuck

[quick verge]

do potd

[heavy mist]

ask FC to run the vault with u

healer or tank

or potd for the 💤

[crystal mulch]

everybody sleeping

i don't mind hard grinding potd if it gives noice esp

exp

[steep iris]

tfw almost 3k dps in kefaust

2955 feelsbad

[quick verge]

as dps?

:)

[steep iris]

naw

ast

[crystal mulch]

what should my weapon lvl be for hoh floors 21-30 farm?

[quick verge]

anything

you'll get to +55/+55 eventually

when it starts syncing your aetherpool gear

[crystal mulch]

is it the same weapon as potd? or it resets to +1 ?

[elder lark]

woohoo I can finally kill the O8S dummy in SSS

yes I'm terrible I know but this was a goal lmao

[elder lark]

Bard

lol, yeah, no way could I play this job on KB/M

but I'm used to my hands being half numb anyway so I can play for 4-5 hours until they go completely numb and then for another hour before they start to ache

BLM was much better for my hands and wrists but I was so bad at it 😦

[crystal mulch]

i just got lvl 60 and hoh is lvl 61

do i go potd again for lvl 61 ?

[lyric summit]

i thought you start at 60 in hoh 🤔

[steady pebble]

you have to be 61 to enter hoh

[lyric summit]

but no, definitely not potd, do some gubal story mode, alliance roulettes

[crystal mulch]

damn wished potd would still be best for 61

[steady pebble]

eh, you can still do potd to 61 but its going to take a bit longer

[heavy mist]

60 the weird level

[lyric summit]

you'll have to run it like 10 times for a full level but I guess add an alliance + leveling roulette and you're left with like 25-35% tops

[crystal mulch]

dam

and HoH would become very fast again ? in terms of exp / time

[steady pebble]

if you're dps, sorta

its going to be slower than potd, just because the armory bonus from 61-70 is 50% vs 1-59

100%

[crystal mulch]

ye i red somewhere it was 42 runs for 61-70 while potd 51-60 is 35 runs

i got pretty lucky now all my potd runs were 10-15 mn

if HoH 21-30 is the same would be greatt

[steady pebble]

most of them will be around that long, ye

unless you have a bad group

[lyric summit]

51-60 still has the +100% armory bonus so yeah

and after that it's just +50%

in 5.0 it'll probably be like 35 for 61-70 too

[steady pebble]

yeah

[crystal mulch]

nice

btw when was eureka anemos released? 4.0 ?

[steady pebble]

4.25

[crystal mulch]

then that'd mean there is 2 more zones after pagos? one in 4.4x and one if 4.5x ?

[heavy mist]

yes

presumably

[steady pebble]

that's our assumption

[crystal mulch]

damn ./

it's very fast to get relics for alts

but for the main job it's long

[steady pebble]

kind of how the previous ones went

easier to do it on alt jobs cos you've got most of the requirements unlocked so you can gathering up some items in advanced

[crystal mulch]

was arr and hw relics on main class that long to get ?

i only did challenge long for 4 weeks to get 20 nothing else

i mean fate farm on the end as well

[steady pebble]

yeah zodiac was and tbh still is quite long to go thru

anima was shorter than zodiac but still a bit of a grind

sb's relic tho is by far the quickest, imo

[crystal mulch]

damn

[lost mulch]

Do we have a list of magic damagr

For dark mind mitigation?

[heavy mist]

what fight u wanna know

@lost mulch

there isnt a set list but depending on the fight we can give u info

[lost mulch]

Damn no excel..uhh 05s and 06s

Is the doom strike is magical

Forgot to science it last night

[heavy mist]

o6s literally everything is magical

o5s the physical stuff is only head on iirc

everyone else is magical

everythign else*

adds should be physical iirc

[lost mulch]

Ok tq.Time to science it

[heavy mist]

np

as a tank

best to plan your CDs

[lost mulch]

I never use dark mind before

And now I feel like retard

[heavy mist]

np

its really good

[crystal mulch]

btw if i get satasha at level 69, as levleing roulette, will i get a massive bonus when completing it ? because satashata is like 150 k exp only

[dull radish]

yeah leveling roulette bonus scales to your level

[crystal mulch]

i know

but does it scale as well off of which dungeon i get?

because if i get as leveling roulettes Doma Castle and Satasha and they both give same bonus exp then doma castle is way better

[boreal edge]

@crystal mulch idk where i read this but

the bonus is fixed value to your level

[dull radish]

lower level dungeons get more roulette bonus to compensate for you getting less exp from the instance

[boreal edge]

and every exp you get deducted from bonus exp value

til you hit a minimum amount set

[dull radish]

I dunno how much I'd trust "idk where I read this" kind of stuff

very frequently how misinformation ends up being spread

[boreal edge]

well, his post hold some truth in someway

if i got doma castle i get for example 2 mil roulette bonus

if i get sastasha i get 5 mil exp bonus

[dull radish]

that doesn't especially give any proof towards anything other than lower level dungeons get higher exp roulette bonus than higher level dungeons

which is all that was needed to answer the question haha

it still makes roulette very worth

even if you get lower level dungeon

[crystal mulch]

so that means whatever the dungeon i get i'll get the same X amount of exp in the end ?

only getting dungenons matter and not trial?

[dull radish]

it's not exactly the same, no

like if you get like one of those trials in leveling roulette yeah, you still get a pretty good bonus but you get less exp than if you got a proper dungeon

but it's also very quick

the scaling is a bit weird and you won't always get the same exp from leveling roulette but it'll always be worth it for leveling once a day with the bonus

regardless of which instance you get

[crystal mulch]

ok

since the bonus is only once daily and leveling roulette is one of the best exp/time , i should really get a dungeon and no trial

what about roulette 50 60 ? do i bother doing it or just hoh spam?

[dull radish]

I usually like doing trials roulette too for exp since it's also very quick, you don't get as much exp but it's a very small time investment. 50/60 isn't quite as good for the sake of leveling

[boreal edge]

regardless

it will be far better

than regular dungeon run

time wise

levelling or trial

kudos if u get steps of faith

[dull radish]

alliance roulette is pretty great too for exp if you have it

[boreal edge]

that give double exp

[dull radish]

and msq is pretty good too but only if you can spare the time investment

[boreal edge]

than normal trials

[steep iris]

i only do levelling/trial/alliance maybe

[dull radish]

yeah same

[steep iris]

50/60 is absolute dogshit

[crystal mulch]

so i shouldn't do roulette 50/60 once a day and just do HoH ?

[steep iris]

has the absolute worst players I swear

[boreal edge]

mix of 3 get you a level and some

[crystal mulch]

and the other roulettes alliance and leveling

[steep iris]

on another note

fuck any lv 50 dungeon with (hard) on it

[boreal edge]

idk how raid roulette play

normal alex

exp wise i mean

[dull radish]

the exp is pretty ok for it, not as good as alliance roulette, and queues can take a good bit longer

it's usually not as worth it unless you feel like doing an instance like that for a change of pace, that you haven't run in a bit

[junior basin]

Should be pretty easy to test out.

[crystal mulch]

i see

btw are every sightseeing thingy giving the same amount of exp? or like SB ones give more?

and also are they dynamic exp or just a fixed amount ,

[dull radish]

these questions are probably a bit more suited for #questions-and-help by the way. I don't quite know how exp works for sightseeing log stuff, myself

[steady pebble]

sightseeing log is a fixed amount

its a very small xp amount

so if you see one, i would pick it up but its not something to go out of your way for

[crystal mulch]

ah right sorry

ok thank you

[fossil basalt]

sightseeing log seems to be a scaled amount, but only like ~1% of a level

[misty dock]

friends, got a question about minimum item level sync

does it give drop bonus for rathalose ex?

ive ran 5 runs with min ilvl and we got 1 chest with Poogie + Song scroll

[lyric summit]

pretty sure min ilvl for bonus loot only affects music scrolls, and i'm pretty sure it only affects coil as well

[quick verge]

i spent all morning in a kefka party

my head is pounding

i think the arena is starting to kill me

[gritty tide]

hey.. you guys think i should put all skill speed gems in for samurai

[dull radish]

stacking skillspeed on SAM is pretty legit, if I recall correctly the highest estimated performing set has a good amount of it

[stable basin]

is it's bad that i'm bored of pagos mob farming and went back to killing a few mob then wait for the NM train

then again I can't stand maplestory before the xp boost update

[thorn bear]

no eureka is some of the worst content in the game

[hoary socket]

Speak for yourself, lots of people love it

[thorn bear]

I don't know how people can enjoy the worst part of runescape in ffxiv lol

outside of people shouting random shit in chat

[hoary socket]

The same people who played FFXI for a decade?

[thorn bear]

and you know why FFXI isn't popular anymore? cause grinding mobs for hours on end or sitting afk in a train watching netflix isn't good game design

[hoary socket]

Casually grinding in chain party while chatting with friends is awesome.

OR because its been out for 15 years and isn't getting updates anymore. And you couldn't afk in FFXI and you can't afk in pagos. The train is dead, you need to chain as a party to level

[unreal lance]

Still bad game design.

Best way to do anemos was to not do anything cuz low levels can't contribute for shit. Only reason pagos isn't like this yet is cuz people are still leveling/figuring things out.

[thorn bear]

yeah people will figure out how to do it

pagos has only been out for what, 2 days?

[hoary socket]

Train is dead in pagos. NM spawn rate is so low that you cant just run around zerking mobs to pop NMs

In fact NM spawn rate seems to get EVEN LOWER the more people you have spamming the same mobs

[unreal lance]

It's low cuz levels are low

[hoary socket]

False

[unreal lance]

[thorn bear]

if the NM train is dead than pagos will actually be worse than anemos lol

[hoary socket]

The way to level in pagos will be to form a party and chain kill mobs 5 levels higher. If NM window is open, chain NM mobs. If it's not, chain non NM mobs 5 levels higher for adaptation/mutation bonuses on top of chain bonus. Run to other NMs if another group of a different level pops an NM

[thorn bear]

instead of making the grinding engaging they just cut out the most efficient method

[steep iris]

chaining is boring

cause things take forever to kill

[hoary socket]

Yeah 45-60 seconds sure is an eternity

[steep iris]

and you don't even know whether the dps are even decent cause of elemental level

[thorn bear]

more like literal hours getting to the new max level

because I have to sit there with a dedicated group to kill the same mobs

[hoary socket]

If you can reach chain 30 killing mobs 5 levels higher your dps are decent

If you lose chain before 30 someone sucks

[thorn bear]

I tried chain killing in anemos and I couldn't believe that was my other option outside of hoping a party takes me in the NM train

[unreal lance]

It will devolve into NM fate train once people are getting higher levels

[hoary socket]

Getting to 35 takes about 72 hours of nonstop chaining with NM pops mixed in.

And no it wont.

[unreal lance]

It will.

[thorn bear]

72 hours of chain killing mobs

lmfao

so I can get a glowy weapon

[steep iris]

wep doesnt even glow

[unreal lance]

Explain why it won't, when people don't need exp anymore

[steep iris]

and i still stand by chaining is boring as fuck

[hoary socket]

Except that it won't. Because the spawnrate for NMs is a lot lower

[unreal lance]

Yeah and?

If someone doesn't need exp then who cares what mob it is, spawning the NM is the objective

[hoary socket]

And if peiple don't need exp then they must be farming light for extra weapims. You get MORE light chain farming mutations than you do from NM

So again, no train

[unreal lance]

So actually worse than before.

[thorn bear]

which comes back to my first point that pagos is actually just flat out worse

lmfao

[unreal lance]

Ok then.

[hoary socket]

Train is dead.

[steep iris]

anemos was way more fun week 1

[hoary socket]

Sorry you actually need to participate in content

[steep iris]

fite me

i could mass pull mobs

[thorn bear]

sorry I gotta do the most boring content in the game

[steep iris]

in pagos i have to pull 1 by 1 or else im dead

[thorn bear]

for garbage rewards

😂

[hoary socket]

Actually, you dont

If you don't like it, don't do it.

[thorn bear]

that's a shit excuse to defend bad content

[hoary socket]

It's like magic, if you don't enter eureka, suddenly the fact that you don't like chaining DISAPPEARS. Amazing, truely.

I think it's great content. I love chaining with friends

[unreal lance]

Everything becomes good with friends

[thorn bear]

^

lol

[hoary socket]

Getting the next level is rewarding becuswr it was hard

[steep iris]

mass pulling is fun

[thorn bear]

what was hard about it

[unreal lance]

It's not hard though

[thorn bear]

you killed mobs for 1 hour

[steep iris]

going 1 by 1 is snooze fest

[hoary socket]

Instead of just handed over afking near train

[thorn bear]

and got a level

[hoary socket]

Literally every mmo on earth, ever.

Not sure what you're trying to argue here.

[thorn bear]

yeah I forgot that time in FFXIV

where I was grinding fates

to get a glowy weapon

[hoary socket]

The element changing aspect is fun, mutations keep it interesting. NMs are rare but rewarding.

[unreal lance]

You mean the "set and forget wheel with zero choice"?

[steep iris]

well tbh id actually argue against element changing

[hoary socket]

Can do other fates for loot instead if you want, plenty to do in there.

Mutations change element

[steep iris]

It feels like it's tacked on

cause you can have 5 magicites

And literally all you do

is dump em all into 1 element

[hoary socket]

If you want to solo chain you need to change up your magicite to 4/1 or 3/2

To be efficient

[steep iris]

ew solo chaining

[hoary socket]

Also the pagos relic doesn't glow

[thorn bear]

that's even sadder

lol

[gusty lotus]

so how do i get my first crystals?

in pagos

i just got the kettle

[hoary socket]

Chain mobs 5 levels higher and you will occasionally get feeble light

[gusty lotus]

what comparative level do mobs have to be to me to charge it and wheres the lab thing

[hoary socket]

Chaining non NM mobs gives light faster because of more frequent mutations/adaptations but since you are still leveling it's better to chain NM mobs unless another party is already at that camp

Red dot is the forge but it's surrounded by level 35 death, and you need to follow a path littered with level 31+ death and occasional level 40 sleeping death

[gusty lotus]

i see

and i need to go to the forge to turn kettle into crystals?

[hoary socket]

Yes, but you can stack 9 crystals worth of light

So no rush

[gusty lotus]

how hard is it to get light?

also just out of curiosity

[hoary socket]

I got 4.5 crystals worth of light in 8 hours of chaining

[gusty lotus]

if i level rogue just high enough to unlock stealth, can i just switch to rogue and walk around stealthed

[hoary socket]

Nope, rogue gets fucked just like everyone else

[gusty lotus]

dang

[hoary socket]

You can stealth by mobs of equal level to you or below, not above

[gusty lotus]

i see

[gusty lotus]

is it 1 crystal for every full bar?

[hoary socket]

Yeah

[copper whale]

anyone know what this buff is ? Is it always there ? Is this proof that NMs can also have "adaptation" transformations ?

[quick verge]

It's their form change

morph into another monsters of a different element

also gives more exp

[copper whale]

yeah but this is an NM with the buff, I wasn't sure if NM could transform like that or not

it's the "Brothers" NM fight

[quick verge]

dunno

[torn kindle]

I haven't done that FATE yet, but if I had to make a wild guess maybe one of the brothers morph once the other dies?

[gusty lotus]

ive heard people say that doing voretooth increases fate spawn rate. legit or rumor?

[torn kindle]

Sounds fake. NM FATEs have a timer.

Either way, the time you spend doing that FATE means time not spent grinding the monsters needed to spawn NMs

[stable basin]

Wheres the lvl 23 confluence ?

[torn kindle]

in the tiny alcove to the southeast of the level 21 aetheryte.

[stable basin]

i see, ok ty

[gusty lotus]

what level do you need to attune the hot water aetheryte?

[torn kindle]

I think that one is level 30? not too sure.

[gusty lotus]

do higher level mobs fill kettle faster?

like im killing 30s as a 25, will it fill more killing 31s as a 26?

[waxen wagon]

quick question about tsukuyomi ex. is it fine to constantly switch between the light and dark side and not have to worry about the debuff stacks?

[quick verge]

are you alive at the end of the phase

[waxen wagon]

i've never done it before. i just watched the video.

[gusty lotus]

what are you playing?

if you're a ranged class then yea it'd be fine

you dont need to keep your stacks at a specific range as long as you switch just before the floor disappears

just make sure that right before the large eats the small, you're in the small

so that when the whole floor is the big color you're able to switch into other color

[daring berry]

that's what i do as a RDM

i prefer to keep the moon at 1 stack

[quick verge]

tfw you find a good o7s party

less than clean

but at least we're clearing it

[stuck wigeon]

im never gonna do that fight again

[crystal mulch]

if i were to choose between ninja and black mage which one should i go? (looking for the one that's the hardest to master / constantly playing good )

now that i got melee monk i'm free to go another melee/ranged

[thorn bear]

doesn't really matter

could play blm just to have a ranged

[crystal mulch]

i have a ranged (main bard)

next alt will either be second melee or second ranged i'm fine with both , just looking for the more complex

i heard ninja and their Trick attack thingy can be hard to maximize

[unreal flax]

Well it depends. Do you want a job that's hard to do good numbers on or a job that just requires a ton of awareness?

[dull radish]

trick attack isn't really complex

it's just, put it up every minute on the dot, unless there's a transition or something

[unreal flax]

Cuz, MNK is harder to make big numbers happen than NIN, but NIN has to monitor creeping aggro a bit and YOU CANNOT MISS TRICK EVER.

[dull radish]

too used to typing DoT instead of dot haha

[unreal flax]

that's what I thought happened lmao

<3

Like, NIN's actual rotation is super simple and only has two actual positionals. It's difficulty comes from the other stuff in the kit.

[crystal mulch]

a job that requires a ton of awareness

[unreal flax]

NIN

[crystal mulch]

numbers can be changed

[unreal flax]

MNK is just a lot of planning around keeping stacks and keeping uptime and not ever missing positionals

[crystal mulch]

bard has low numbers but i think it's still a very good class (maybe biased coz my main tho)

wait

i have monk

the comparison was between ninja and black mage

[dull radish]

on a very surface level, NIN is much more complex than BLM, by a good margin

[unreal flax]

Yeah

[dull radish]

when you get into more optimization both have very different types of complexity that are introduced

[unreal flax]

Right. With NIN, it's like you're optimizing for the whole team, while BLM is optimizing for itself primarily. And optimizing BLM is fuckin tough unless you're Rika

[crystal mulch]

you're talking of skill floor or skill ceiling ?

[unreal flax]

Ceiling, mostly

[crystal mulch]

when you said nin is much more complex than blm

ok

[dull radish]

I meant as far as floor, NIN is more complex than BLM

[crystal mulch]

damn i heard people saying blm mistakes are unforgiving and stuff i was like this should be high skill cap

[dull radish]

BLM rotation itself is super easy and straightforward

[haughty tree]

when nin screws Trick Attack it hurts everyone super bad, whereas BLM trips and falls and destroys their own dps but no one else would notice

[dull radish]

but at the top end of optimization there's a lot of little things you can do

[crystal mulch]

i'm not looking for skill floor only skill ceiling sorry ^^'

so blm do have a skill ceiling

[dull radish]

it's very much a different kind of complexity

[crystal mulch]

<

[dull radish]

absolutely haha