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Its na
Its just trap
all the same
damn
Cause if u suck
i've noticed you guyshave waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more people at o8s though
what's with that
Any party required i370 is a trap because whoever is running it is a moron
The party wipes anyways
Pt has rng clear rate from 0-100
So item level ain't gonna do squat now
O8s is the new meme
Since most people can be i360+
Since o7s is clear by gear
new PF filter pls
do it by parse :^)
So actually its either traps or memes
But seriously, most parties don't have ilvl requirements because gear doesn't make you good.
The parse runners r also donr
It did before 4.3
4.2 u can filter out scrubs
Cause if u didn't clear a certain floor u don't have certain equips early on
Etc
It used to be u can use gear like week 8 its still relevant
o9s i420 min only thanks
Gear still doesn't make you good though.
No duh
It makes everyone more trap
But its easier to tell early on in 4.2
Gear used to be able to use as filter
Yeah cause u needed actual skill to clear where u did
Then the casuals got the same ilvl is what happened
Then you can't tell by squat
Still not the best filter, plenty of skilled players who don't clear early.
Well yeah obviously
But its something
Plus parses aren't all that good early either
Better than nothing is the point
O7s used to be use to trap bads
So at least for o8s if u put ilvl 355 it worked well
Then people started to clear and here we are
Cause u know the ppl who got past 7 has to have contribute to the tight dps
Yeah then gear became op, 7 wasnt a gate, 8 is a meme
And by then u get bis to stop raiding till next tier
Probably not
Sometimes you get a few more back but usually we're just mostly taking a break or doing uwu
I'll start raiding again when I don't need to farm weekly tomes :^)
I feel like for most people who cleared early on
There's no real incentive created by unlocking
Last tier I would practice alt jobs in unlocked savage
Easy to find groups
Can kill an afternoon just doing that
If you want to go really hard when 4.4 drops it would be a good idea to get BiS for a few different jobs.
So you can adjust to the content
Yeah but most people would already have that
Only real reason unlocked tier would matter
Depends on how early they cleared 5-8 and how long the group continued to run it after that.
fk it feels good to not mess up rotation
π
Iβm waiting for unlock so I can reprog the tier on healer
Donβt feel like trapping weekly parties even though I can probably one shot heal 5 and 6
I'm waiting for it to unlock so I can finally get my fucking weapons.
Inb4 we are all trolled and unlock is 4.4....
They wouldn't dare

ifrit-egi
he has
I hope youβre proud of your fellow excaliburian
no not really
fuck i kept telling my friends we should carry yo han
and now we cant have that honor
You got so many opportunities my dude
I literally see him trying for o8s clear every night
Wow you can carry me instead
cant
!classlogs Odin Johni Bravo SCH
Scholar: (4350/16733) [2297.47 DPS] [74 Historical] [7:45]
Scholar: (5211/16812) [2327.24 DPS] [69 Historical] [8:15]
Scholar: (5566/12652) [2119.37 DPS] [56 Historical] [11:54]
Scholar: (5648/10270) [2154.01 DPS] [45 Historical] [6:39]
What are good numbers for a Healer?
Will God Kefka lockout be unlocked next week?
if not do you have any idea when?
a healer capable of doing 2k-2.5k in current fights without letting anyone die should be plenty of enough for you to clear the fights
as far as we know, savage won't be unlocked next patch
its possible it'll be unlocked in a later patch but we can't say with certainity
like i said, it might be or it might not be unlocked until 4.4
oh I see, we have no idea about it yet
next live letter is during the rising correct?
yes, i believe there's a live letter during the 14hr broadcast for the anniversary
roger, thank you kaelwryn
np
hello gamers especailly those who want to raid give this a read and tell me if theres anything missing you want to know
thinking to add Bok one too
maybe later
it's a frequent question from new players who wanted to start raiding
working on raid training discord but its a slow process
i wanted to get that document out first
looks fine
π
I read it. Definitely would've saved me a couple of time looking for info when I decided to start raiding
a good healer stop healing at 5% boss life xD good parses always needs a sacrifice tank
even with healer limitbreak i never saw enrage in godka
the dps check seems to be easier than kefaust
Pre pull spread Lo
FC + WD for Heartless
Succ after Ultima if I got crit
If not I'll also Indom
If there was a spread critlo I'll delay indo to after Celestriad
Succ before Forsaken
safe spread adlo for forsaken, souccer is enough pre pull
Eh I don't need it for Forsaken
Plus it heals up everyone to full before cast
And I like the occasional LB cheese
you do this that you dont have to heal much after forsaken
I only cast Succ after Forsaken
spread adlo on forsaken worth gold

after forsaken succour
just a waste
Is it
its much more usefull on forsaken
Is it....
on first forsaken you do spread adlo on all next forsaken you do spread adlo directly after
No thanks I'd rather stick to something that currently works and was recommended by a very good Scholar
fair enough
pre pull deploy is good, if crit don't have to heal for heartless and free LB gauge

if it will last that long
it doesn't really matter if deploy off fairy on succor
and you have to know
ultima and forsaken damage fairy?

pet deaths are annoying
i would guess pet has a really high magical defense
so it just take little damage on aoe
saw that 6.1k? 
it does take lower damage
doesn't mean it won't break or weaken the shield
deploy off a succor and pretending you're doing some healer job is a no no
well never had issues with a dead pet xD as SCH
unless you have fairy adjusted
like being the farthest one from boss
and deploy right after took damage
pet doesn't dead
but shield
does weaken or break
also, you will have issue of pet dead if doing UwU
it would be cool when the fairy wouldnt take any damage at all so it could more focus on heal group instat of always heal her self
I lose Eos to Ultima's cleavebuster after Annihilation all the time
homing laser
well thats just bad posions
nah that's me placing her incase I get searing during annihilation and forgetting to hit 'heel'
I been hit by homing missile several times today

titan aggro generation + godka wings π€
shirk eos, send away from party
that'd be such a weird cheese too
only played WHM at this time 
sam has a high skill ceiling at a top level
but its not hard to do well with
nin is more difficult than drg
DRG is by far the easiest
Anyone who tells you otherwise is crazy
They have the most static rotation
MNK is prob the hardest
Because TK optimization is big brain shit
mnk looks monkaS
Lmao rdm is still lowest skill to learn, but that doesn't mean its easier to be good
U can be an rdm and raise some pt mems then complain ur dps dropped thats not good :V
In the end, still viable in raid depending on the player
mmh so SAM/MNK > NIN > DRG in terms of skill ceiling/cap ?
I mean tbh I played sam and nin, I felt it went nin was harder than sam, idk mnk/drg
Sam is more about knowing when to click the ogcd past the initial rotation, nin sometimes the opener depended on the fight also ninja leylines
ninja is literally hardest job to play now
sam is easier than mnk
drg and blm fight over 2nd hardest
it has alot of doubleweaving and watching cds
i see
your sks need to be on certain spot
so many different opinions , i guess SE did a great job in balancing the game xD
to line up ogcds with your buffs
was a bit dissapointed with the lack of customizability of classes at first
but it does really help well with balancing
which make big difference on drg dps
DRG rotation is very simple to execute
yea i dunno what you're talking about man
Monk is actually the hardest rotation to perform optimally
drg rotato is full potato
at the top end
its not like you want to delay it
or that they have only one way to be played?
it just happens
and you delay ta
no it doesnt man
and delay kassatsu
you dont really have different builds
classes are designed and balanced to play 1 way
and delay ninki stuff
i see
TA on time is like priority #1 lmao
how about
and then getting mentally flamed by everyone

you play ninja
wut
ive seen ninjas miss trick
you make it sound like its impossible
ppl do it even in logs runs
it's literally like, oh hey trick is up, lemme suiton -> trick
it's not like it's rocket science
yea you have noi dea what you're talking about
or anything difficult
if it's delayed on a log run
it's just, using trick on time
it's probab done for a reason
yeah
also ironically SAM is the most flexible of all classes
they can function well stacking 3 stats
not really ironic
coz it's hard?
no because people will exclude you
oh ye
if ppl exclude you
they are shit
this is not uwu
^^
i'm talkin about uwu
i didn't understand the TA thingy does that mean ninja hard skill ceiling or not or just one precise point that doesn't mean much
you can pug that shit np
fuck these filters
god damn
i hope you die in a fire mug
It doesn't matter if you're a sam/blm now becusee no one is progging and most are overgeared
are you the guy with the triple craftsmanship melds
?
But In very early prog sam/blm is a liability because of no raid utility.
I should meld triple vit
BLM once you learn the fight is ez
in honor of the best samurai
im a blm in an ultima group and im doing fine
!whoami
fuck
yea nobody discriminates BLM
it changed back to goon
You CAN clear with anything. That doesn't mean one party comp won't have an easier time than others
"You have one job as BLM/SAM, and it's to do sick nasty dps"
well, blms are either absolutely awful or somewhat good, theres no inbetween in pf from my expirience haha
and most BLM and SAM can't even accomplish that
yes
you can triple cast and swift the titan plume + landslide

There is a reason there are 494 UwU parses for nin and only 14 for blm.
because people are biased against blm and sam
im progging fine
no issues with movement
lol
im doing more than my fair share of dps
No, because taking a smn instead is objectively better in just about every way
494 vs 14 that's a huge difference xD
you can clear uwu just fine on samurai
I already said you can.
getting fed his 100s 
But its a fact nin instead of Sam will help the party more
Same with smn instead of blm.
its because pugs dosent parse
^
pugs also haven't cleared
But this difference only matters in bleeding edge content where you can assume approximate equal levels if player skill
yea i tihnk you guys are fundamentally misunderstanding the argument
nobody cares if you're doing uwu on a non meta class
the fact is non meta classes will get discriminated against heavily
and should be taken into consideration
I just looked at O3S guide and I don't feel like pugging that at all 
why are you even doing o3s
and they want to start from O1S up
going to be the world first
Raid is only fun if you're wiping
instead of O4S
raid is only fun if you're getting a good parse
Both Eyes Open for Dragoon
4 7k dps
I still rmb that 1 RDM when I pug O1S
Kappa
now we can see all aoes
π
yes


wow
double the eyes
run 3 dragoons and really pad your lone ranged dps
give him the primo pad
srsly tho who think of this o3s hell
+15% tho

O3S is pretty easy once you seen the whole fight
just bash your head in for a few nights
Wish you could go back in time to when Alexander 1-4 savage dropped
how much harder/annoying is it compared to 7s
Hali is prolly more annoying than Guardian imo because her randomness later isn't telegraphed
I'm watching MTQ
I never bothered doing o3s cause it sounded really annoying to do
I don't give a crap about mrhappy when I saw that overlength guide
Yeah you don't know which panel tho
I've had her jump to the platform she's already on or the one across the fucking arena
but you know when she is going to jump
you may not know which platform it is exactly
but she is going to jump
I did it with my group yesterday and it's not as bad, you can have a few deaths and be "okay"
Fucked up probably every mechanic but gear bloat and echo makes the adds trivial unless too many dead
Neo Exdeath is hiliarious today
can have like
10 deaths
and still kill it before the 9th minute
Echo 
I had enough of deltascape
you know
I had people carry me through o4s last month 

Okay but the thing is those black holes are actual bullshit
Not the cape thing but I've had times where the holes just block my way out and I'm like welp

Were black holes really that hard? i didn't have a problem with it but it was prob cause my whole party was full 370 + had echo
When it was relevant
It was relevant the problem is more ppl were spread out
And u had to heal before the stack while running around urself
The kiting part also made it so if tanks and healers were a bit too close, ur dps would eat ur ball then rip
It was hard cause we were at 320 not even 340, had to mitigate for dps fire then again heal and mitigate for stack pain in the ass mech enough for me to go ast just for o4s
Oh and the cape, it's not even the sides when u run in
U can also eat a hole under his cape, happened so many times
lmaooo
Gotta love when holes were so bad that I had like a pixel of safe spot
Did some ninja moves over here
But yeah, with Rathalos and Eureka next week I don't think anyone is gonna wanna go back lol
Plus I already offered a "who can kill EX Rath the faster"
you should stop listening to reddit
about class difficulty
Seeing as how they keep saying DRG is hard
A monkey could play DRG
Tbh the best is experience for urself
They said sch was harder than whm meanwhile i can't play whm, raid on sch
I have a hard time on Whm and I also main scholar.
Same
I can't play WHM for shit
astro is fun
Sch is bae 
the real question is why does difficulty matter
So fast
DRG is has a complete potato rotato but is one of the most meta melee dps
Aint nobody gonna turn down piercing, sight and litany
sorry was in raid
ye i think i'll stop searching on reddit xD
btw did you get my DMs? @normal sable
astro gets so big brain it hurts
earthly starring a position based on which constellations appear that night
Wut

LOL
can't wait to level a ninja
and experience the impossibility of hitting trick attack every 60 seconds
I uh... failed Forsaken 1 by going in for the trick on CD. I don't remember why it came off CD during the Paths, but it did and I fucked us up hahah
fair enough haha
You should be able to during F1 
as WHM I only spam stone and let the SCH do the work

why don't we get 2 SCH and let the fairies do all the healing 
ok main healer

Oh, I can definitely trick during F1, but for some reason, everything aligned earlier or later than it should have. And also, I was stupid lol. Didn't miss trick, though.
mans never miss trick
I was so fuckin mad one time in O8S. I don't know if they were circle shirking or now, but the boss turned right as I hit the button and server ticks or whatever happened cuz I hit the fuckin thing in the flank with the entire reason I exist in the raid
I miss a positional a lot during first heartless
Since he can sometimes turn
Because we run WHM withno NIN
Every time it happens I die inside
Good bye 60 potency
I should unmute this channel. It's actually relevant to me now 
yeah haha
but mm, what weapon are you using? And roughly what numbers are you seeing?
it's hard to say dps for a specific ilvl, since I haven't especially done 3m parses at various ilvl
but I can tell if you're around where you should be or not
Empyrean wep (crit meld Im sure), I kill with about 5 secs to spare
Using the sss calculator, it's about 6.1?

6.1 sounds reasonable
Thatβs pretty high
What job? BLM?
Ye
Yeah
Oh okay
I'm sitting here like, "I can beat this dummy on DRG and NIN and MNK and WAR with 10s+ and none of them even come 6.1" lol

The fact that you said CDs line up nicely wasn't something I'd noticed or thought about so that's handy (basic stuff ;;)
CDs is the funniest thing, tbh. Like, when you're not a raider, you literally use things on CD. Once you start raiding, you start thinking to yourself, "I can save this for one GCD and suddenly, it's in a buff window. Better save this" and now you're DPS is up.
unless you're a BLM
Haha yeah I could imagine
you just kinda do your own thing and hope you catch raid buffs

For example, the third Steel Peak for MNK. Save it one GCD and it's in Riddle of Fire.
Greed them casts
Since I've experienced only 2 jobs I really don't know what buffs do what from other jobs, besides the obvs Protect
See, that's where my DPS falls off, tbh. I barely know what other people's buffs do or what their timings are, so I'll do things that would line up with the group's buffs better, but I don't know that before I do it.
So I tend to do my own thing until I need heals, at which point I AM to healer and wait for next heal 
I tend to see and know the things, but there's not much I can really do to adjust for buffs haha
I do position myself close to party but them rare instances where everyone's running around and I'm still standing in the same spot yaknow?
I wanna get into savages but it's that very reason I'm worried about
Better just do your rotation normally
Powerful mentor mug
!action embolden
generally yes, when actually used on cd
generally buff alignment is pretty much use on CD after opener
unless there's downtime fuckery
in which case you save it for later
the best part about this game is getting like 13 raid buffs simultaneously
is there a way to make xivanalysis lookat bio1/2 and miasma 1/2?
im testing a rotation on a dummy, but the site says i have 0% uptime on my dots
it looks like it only analysis bio3/miasma3
what job?
summoner
It's suited to level 70 jobs in general only, especially for the time being
since it's expecting to look at certain constraints, lower levels will be missing a lot of the key components
now it could be expanded to account for earlier dots, though the need right now isn't as pressing as some of the other general smn module changes that are planned
i see, thanks for the reply :)
using high threat opener on DRK but still not enough to keep aggro 
I don't watch aggro on none Godka fights
if you take aggro
it's 100% your fault
and I won't even notice until you'll die
the bard and sam fighting over who's top on aggro
π
I just realize I can use TBN on every tank buster in o6S tho
It barely break my TBN
tbn ot poggers
congrats <3
<3 <3 <3
I really wanted the spear and the coffer to drop lol so I could need both and finish the tier entirely.
gratz brit!
Now learn brd and raid with me
dang is that the rising superstar drg
I'm probably gonna main DRG again next tier and just fuck about on NIN until midway through again lol
Now to look for a static/wait for one to contact me :(
You'll get one your a great player
I wish
You'll get one, for sure.
Also, I think I've figured it out.
DRG dying doesn't guarantee they'll roll high. It just guarantees they'll role higher than everyone else. I won my coffer with a 45 lol. But, I died twice so it's my worst God clear lol
welp, time to learn DRG then π
tfw you get kicked from o8s cause i died to double hit pushback graven + auto even while i used 2 cds
while they kept the ninja that died to soak 3 times
no they didnt
i checked
i just joined to help em
not looking for anything as i cleared already
no NIN is worth keeping someone that is multiple times dead there
there is also the brd
aka grp leader
died 3 times to pushback
but no
im the binch here
cause i died once and wasnt even my mistake there
i will get 3 hits in same time that deal 30k of my hp
at least keep me topped or close to it
Damn ppl
should i go smn or brd in eureka solo(atm) challenge log ? i'm lvl 17
@boreal edge the rot in o7s everyone can just stack up and it'll still pass nicely right?
@frosty stag yes
then these ppl refused to listen to me
it doesn't pass too fast with that?
nope
I'd think it would
since it passes pretty much right away
and you can't pick it back up if you had it
I'm pretty certain we've had a wipe once for something like that
where we accidentally passed it to a bunch of folks too quick
and then it exploded since we were out of folks to pass it to
well, i seen a vid of a grp stood on top of each other
and passed nicely
not saying ppl should do it
doong it that way means ppl cant land positionals
it just sounds very much not a thing, unless you can link the video haha
I know you can outmitigate the virus explosion
but this is the first time I've ever heard of stacking for virus
isnt it 99k aoe?
and um, if it was a thing, pretty sure it would be widespread usage in PF
it's powerful raidwide damage yeah but some combination of tank LB and strong mitigation
that's some giant brain stuff
passing virus to a new target based on call order
passing virus with no call order
stacking on each other to pass virus
using tank lb3 to mitigate virus explosion and not pass it
skipping virus in 6.0
galaxy brain shit right there
mech is trivial no matter the method you use
its not as bad as T2
where it last whole fight

if you stack for virus
you're going to kill everyone lmao
wtf
it'll just pass through all your guys and you'll end up with 7 people with rot immunity
and 1 guy with rot
yeah exactly haha
it's not like it auto times passes for you
and unless I would see like, a video saying otherwise
dude like what the actual fuck kind of advice is that
yeahhh
i have 3000 ping
but new mechanic tho, lb3 rot explosion
what next
i wonder if you can survive rot with spread critlo/shake it off/veil etc
my current kill everyone strategy: forgetting what βfourβ is and dropping the circle of filth on all of the DPS
my current kill everyone strategy is to watch everyone kill themselves
smash like if you can relate
nah
i have a long proud tradition of being the crappiest player in any group i'm in
speaking of being bad and dumb
on a scale of 1/kill me now how obnoxious is AST+SCH going to be on O8S
the first forsaken makes me nervous
after that it looks reasonably smooth
how good is your ast's star placement
they're quite honest but pretty good at doing the healings
and who are your tanks
i'm guessing the trick is going to be not using both Earthly Star and Indom for the same thing
and then being left to mash succor and cry
WAR+DRK
oh
respect content and pull out the Emergency Tactics succ
idk what schs do in o8s
(i've been DPSing so far so iono)
no
pass virus to someone thats being raised so it gets deleted
i really dunno what im doing wrong as pld in kefaust
i just looked on orange pld parse
and im doing same shit as he do
yet he do 200 more dps than me for some odd reason
are you using pots
no
idk if he got the close mana aoes

cause i got blue in my all far mana
duration of the fight?
maybe he's just DH and crit more
idk
and you got the same comp?

than his comp
nice rng
just throw your face at the fight a few times i guess
If multiple runs then dunno
i cant do logs runs
and you got the same gear?
as i cant parse
i363 bis
so yes
so finding logs pf is rare enough
let alone having kefaust do mana like i wanted

Hi
carry me then
force enrage sequence instantly
Suppression is the easy part
if you done stuff like GCO
it's mainly do your own role
it's a simple flowchart
If Eruption -> Kite until behind sister, you don't stutter step -> If you have jail, just stay behind the sister -> If no jail, run sideways to the left and dodge both featherrains then kill jail
If no Eruption, run the same way up until mid, if you have sister, run behind one of the tanks, wait for screech, then proceed to break jail while avoiding the second one too
if you have none of those, you have light pillars
and you kite light pillars on the empty half of the arena, but do not be too far edge
I just made it sound much more complicated than it actually is
I wish I had a good flowchart
also don't use the Wheelchair Emoji racecar strat for Suppression
even they don't do that anymore
Nah, you broke it down pretty well
It just looks complicated with no context and you have to do the whole thing in about 20s
you do not need to stutter step eruptions if you are in the right positions
just hold W forward
until you are behind sister
Annihilation can be harder in retrospect
since you have to keep uptime too
and you got to be quick to avoid crimson cyclone
We're pushing into suppression at 47-48%
We actually got past it the other day, but potatoed at Ultima
on one of my reclear weeks
we cleared literally by the dottick
as in the boss died while in the fading out screen
Kek
suppression is on a brain dead level with mario kart strat, but I do admit healing can be a bit tricky with healer taking mesohigh
Proper execution is more satisfying since you know your job and role
But it might take some practices to make it works
Mario kart is one person might kills all
I do spread out
Spread out you have to understand what to do with different role
Role as in mechanic
yeah but if you treat it like
Grand Cross Omega
it's pretty easy to decipher
because like GCO
you ever only have one option
For example an eruption / gaol / green marker / light pillar
You need to know all 4
Ye
Close to GCO
Itβs fun and satisfying
Because youβre actually executing the mechanic
could always just cheese GCO due to no follow up stack mechanic
o8s is just lame light of judgement
the only thing I didn't like about o4s was that you were done with prog at half the fight cause alpha and delta just repeated again, but 3rd/4th forsaken is kinda similar
Lol mad heads. I was so excited to see them. And then people walk into them for me.
How long is a speedrun of HoH 21-100 considered? I know it can vary
why would you speedrun it, at 80+ every step matters and cap wipe you any second so it's better to be safe than Speedy
but 21-50 are like 20-25 mins each probably
then you should probably start being more careful, or at least 61+
Iβve cleared twice and I was just wondering. Never cleared POTD and Iβm trying to learn how the point system works. Is it more points for kills or speed or both?
Congrats π
where do I get the avatar title
oh just from beating it or do I need to do it x amount of times?
t8? Not t9?
T9S is domitrix
okay cool
oh jeez every floor of second coil savage gives you a title wew
yup
how braindead is unsync
like the whole point of savage was for the challenge back then
make a PF, it dies in like 20 seconds with like 4 70s
T6S, T7S, T8S are pretty braindead
T9S still requires doing mechs tho
just like T9
if you need people inv me to your party π
guess I'll have something to do in 4.5 then π
spin strat? maybe? π€
nah don't feel like doing that now. Still gotta kill behemoth
still gotta know how to do the spin strat lol
very strong opener
How much does the tank stat affect damage reduction?
Tenacity that is.
if I went ham on it, would it reduce 15k attacks by 2k?
there's a doc to show the damage reduction on tenacity based on stat tiers
out somewhere
not worth it either way
its 200 per 1%
@blazing pelican gl in clearing uwu
mario kart suppression is as bad as T9 mario kart
6/8 uwu kill pug on chaos wish me Luck 
Godspeed
god bless











