endgame-lounge

[hybrid rapids]

So people can analyse

And give advices

[blazing pelican]

Standard group comp is
2 tanks, 2 healers, 1 melee, 1 ranged, 1 caster, and 1 spare

you get a full coverage of most of what you might need mitigation wise and some wiggle room

[copper halo]

most people do melee melee ranged (ranged)caster

[sharp spruce]

Well I do know a standard comp lol, I am in a static already but I really want to also play with some friends who just got into static raiding, we got up to a o6s clear with drk/pld/ast/blm x2/smn and I may need to fill for them a dps spot if one of our newer plds comes in (and if we also get a dps I'll probably have to go on sch)

[blazing pelican]

double jobs in savage

[sharp spruce]

yeah lul

he did show interest in possibly gearing and levelling a rdm or whm instead for that kinda content, just let him know it's up to him if he wanna do it

[copper halo]

blm/rdm is better than blm/blm for lb

but

play what you have fun with

[lyric summit]

if no one else is adjusting to have anywhere near normal comp then why should you lol

[blazing pelican]

double caster isn't bad this tier

[lyric summit]

just have fun

[sharp spruce]

I mean I could at least help them a bit with a class that could at least synergize with having 2 selfish dps? lol

[blazing pelican]

lots of magic raid damage

[copper halo]

double caster is less good in prog

because muh refresh

[blazing pelican]

just bring a bard

and cap off with a ninja

if you ever need to fill a dps slot and you don't have a ninja, get a ninja

you can play whatever you want, but some jobs are just objectively better

[frosty stag]

ninja is everyone's babe

[sharp spruce]

alrighty, I'll give ninja a shot for them then

[frosty stag]

that Trick Attack is just too good

[hexed meteor]

ninja is spooky

cuz ping

then you miss trick

and every one bullys like : ''why are you even here''

[hybrid rapids]

You should just play SAM instead 👀

[sour solstice]

[full wave]

That sounds like a bit of a downgrade

[solemn pagoda]

D=

[sleek belfry]

Nin is good not just for trick attack tbh

And trick is shit for the majority of parties anyway

Cos what's buff alignment

[blissful solstice]

Nin is just obscenely good

In every way

[unreal flax]

NIN is the other best job in the game.

[split falcon]

shadewalker, smokescreen, gr8 burst damage, trick attack

[frosty stag]

free slashing debuff

[opal hollow]

do healer shielding generate LB?

i heard it does but idk

[lyric summit]

yeah it does i'm pretty sure

[unreal flax]

It does.

[lyric summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53FJoicceI

[unreal flax]

It still counts as damage taken.

lmao wtf

[dull radish]

yeah so it's a difference between critical shielding and other mitigation

if you're in a position where you live with the shield, and die without it, you get a ton of LB, proportional to how many people fall under this condition

however, take the same run, but toss a bunch of things like addle, reprisal, etc, where the shields aren't the only thing stopping you from death

and you don't get that critical shielding element

and so you don't get that crazy LB generation

[heavy mist]

O8S lb gen potential 💦

[opal hollow]

yeah doing o8s right now

so how should sch go about the opener

for the LB?

[shadow pollen]

isn't the speedrun meta centered completely around that atm

[dull radish]

a bit yeah, you hold back on mitigation and just shield through a bunch, and don't heal people up fully so more damage is considered lethal without the shield

[pure yoke]

@dull radish to add that note

only mitigation based on debuff negatively impact mitigation

stuff like Sacred Soil does not ruin LB generation

but stuff like Reprisal and Addle can potentially do it

due to them being a debuff

[dull radish]

yeah good point

[unreal flax]

OH WORD?

Time to tell casters to take addle off their bars for Light of Judgement lol

[scenic patrol]

Not really

Saving healer GCDs is still valuable

[unreal flax]

Man, I survived LoJ with 600HP one time. I was hype.

Healer was terrified

[dull radish]

you don't necessarily save a healer GCD with addle

we strictly took addle off of mitigation for those

just from all that LB gen we would get otherwise

[scenic patrol]

I heard that you could heal the Ultima post Celestriad with only ET with Addle

[pure yoke]

this is only for speed

[scenic patrol]

[pure yoke]

you better not hold off addle in ultimate prog

[dull radish]

of course haha

[pure yoke]

unless your healer tell you to use it somewhere else

[dull radish]

rather overmitigate stuff if it's available for prog

[unreal flax]

I miss Mantra.

[paper torrent]

My favorite

Right behind boss

Mantras

Realize I'm out of range from casters

AAAAA

[unreal flax]

I was on NIN being bad and something big was coming and I was like, "Man, this is the only time I'm useless"

and we took big damage and heals

I was looking at my hotbars like, "What utility do I have for incoming damage? None. Well, okay."

[scenic patrol]

Feint

[unreal flax]

Only physical

Head On, Arm & Hammer, that's it lol

[scenic patrol]

Embrace

And AAs

[unreal flax]

THAT'S PHYSICAL?

[scenic patrol]

From Kefka

[sour solstice]

Not AAs on 5/6 though

Actual garbage there

[boreal edge]

ultimate embrace

found out too late

that ultimate embrace is phys

[unreal flax]

Lmao that's awesome. I can put Feint back on my DRG bar.

[scenic patrol]

For physical mitigation in O8S

Kefaust just use it on heavy AA phases

Like after mechs

Into Graven one

For Godka first feint is at after the Ultima after Celestriad

That phase has 3/4 auto attacks

[shadow pollen]

...I actually have a reason to have feint on

wtf

[pure yoke]

how did you think people cheese train headon

[boreal edge]

whm+ast cant cheese it

we tried

[scenic patrol]

Need WAR + PLD

👀

And a shield based healer

And feint

[stable basin]

O5S is so straightforward these days I'm not even sure why people even bother with cheese anymore tbh

[boreal edge]

extra uptime

[scenic patrol]

Because it's more uptime

[boreal edge]

ppl pay alot for uptime

[scenic patrol]

Some people actually care about their performance Nadine

[stable basin]

Yay you might save a minute or three a week lol

[pure yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zHPYOqQy-U

if you learn it

you can do it like

every week

[boreal edge]

maybe we can do it as vit melds

lowest we dropped head on

was 49k

[scenic patrol]

How many stuff did you throw at it?

[boreal edge]

everything

even passage

[scenic patrol]

You should be able to get a double/ triple buffed SiO

[pure yoke]

when we speedrun it

[scenic patrol]

As well

[pure yoke]

we didn't use passage

[scenic patrol]

Conva

On one tank as well

For SCH delay

[boreal edge]

deployment is op

[pure yoke]

pallisade was thrown on the dragoon

since ninja has shadeshift

for headon

[scenic patrol]

And ranged players can stay farther

[pure yoke]

see how low I get in headon?

compared to everyone else

[scenic patrol]

Do you have B4B running there?

[pure yoke]

no

https://puu.sh/AOcJs/7609dcbf8d.png

[scenic patrol]

Wew

[elder dawn]

are you getting carried by tiff?

lucky

[pure yoke]

I am just the triple melee guy

for when we do o5s/o6s

[elder dawn]

ye but that's uwu isn't it

[pure yoke]

no

that's o5s

I don't have a group for uwu

[elder dawn]

oh that picture looks like you are on titan in uwu

[boreal edge]

thats o5s

[glossy musk]

had a mentor yesterday telling people that macros are just fine and there's no reason you shouldn't use them if you want

and "who cares lmao xD" when we pointed out it lowered dps

[pure yoke]

I use macro for dragon sight

[unreal flax]

loool the mug macro

[sour solstice]

I do as well

[pure yoke]

/merror off
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
/micon "Dragon Sight"

[unreal flax]

I don't use a macro, but I do use a deliberately sorted party list so that I can pre-select the tether bro without clipping. Even while doubleweaving.

[unique wolf]

https://my.mixtape.moe/aazdto.png

u think 600 is close

how about 84 during aetheric boom

[unreal flax]

That is fucking terrifying.

[unique wolf]

the last mechanic b4 u clear

basically

[glossy musk]

I lived by 1 HP on NIN during A12S and was like

nin holmgang

👀

[sour solstice]

1 hp

That random damage variation though

👀

[scenic patrol]

I sure hope that SCH is using Indom

[unique wolf]

why

[unreal flax]

Indom? Nah bro. We Physick each player individually.

[pure yoke]

this is why vit melds are important

[unique wolf]

theres no damage after that

for like 15s

[pure yoke]

that moment when your hp is so low

it is within race vit bonus range

[sour solstice]

what race

actually

[scenic patrol]

Oh

[sour solstice]

Rindo is a Xaela

which IIRC have 21 base vit

[unique wolf]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ArborealColdGrassRuleFive

[sour solstice]

mb

22

would've died if he was a popoto

[stable basin]

What’s the DPS requirement for uwu?

[lucid karma]

afaik higher than god kefka

by 1-2k

[stable basin]

If I’m doing 6k dps as a BRD is that alright I guess?

[lucid karma]

that's more than fine providing all DPS on same level

dps check isn't that tight

but still

[boreal edge]

our rdm

had 1 hp at light of judgement

in o8s

rdm holmgang

maybe i still have the pic

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/118084982311747585/442221657080201227/IMG_20180505_101045.png

[sour solstice]

what race

[lyric summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Xktc-ugQI

[boreal edge]

@sour solstice lala

[sour solstice]

dunesfolk or the other one

[boreal edge]

dune iirc

[sour solstice]

oh

thats the literal lowest possible vit

[boreal edge]

tfw that 1 vit matters

[lucid karma]

imagine playtest as dune lala just to make sure it has same survival rate as other races

[boreal edge]

[meager walrus]

How gated behind 360+ gear am I exactly? I get a 360 piece from Lighthouse and roughly one 370 piece a week through mendacity tokens. What's my alternatives for gear at around that level?

[sour solstice]

Savage

which is also weekly

or augmented crafted which is 360

[scenic patrol]

If you are not doing Savage why do you care?

350 is more than enough for all content

Currently available

[meager walrus]

Even Tsuku? I'm interesting in giving the first few Savages a shot

[shadow pollen]

even tsuku

[meager walrus]

Huh neat

Is it worth it getting the full eureka set for the melds? I've got countless crystals

At least for pieces that I know I won't replace soon

[shadow pollen]

nah

it's faster to get tome gear and weekly Lighthouse

[sour solstice]

i have one piece of anemos on my whm

since I didn't want to buy tome

But thats generally not worth

[meager walrus]

Isn't tome gated? How could that be faster

[shadow pollen]

immediate 360

[sour solstice]

Anemos is 350

And it uh

takes a while

[scenic patrol]

A long fucking while

[meager walrus]

Does it? I have like 2000 crystals and I've only been in there for like 5 hours

[scenic patrol]

Especially if you just started in Eureka

Lel

Are you level 20

?

[meager walrus]

I am

[sour solstice]

oh

[scenic patrol]

Oh

[sour solstice]

if you are already level 20

then yeah go for it

[scenic patrol]

You already did most of the Grinding

[shadow pollen]

yeah then that's a good way to get i350

[scenic patrol]

We usually assume people are level 1 when they ask that

[meager walrus]

It wasn't that bad of a grind tbh. I just did all the challenge logs twice and then afked with the train for a few hours

i'm used to grinds taking like 30 hours

[scenic patrol]

I did it pre challenge log

[meager walrus]

that sounds like hell

[scenic patrol]

👀

[sour solstice]

im level 17

Haven't touch it this week tho

[scenic patrol]

It's just more AFK time at the train

[sour solstice]

should be ez

[scenic patrol]

I just watched Anime

[meager walrus]

Alright cleared v1 and v2 savage. It's pretty fun stuff. I have one other question UHHHHH are the datalogs also on a weekly cd?

[sour solstice]

yeah

[pure yoke]

yes

[scenic patrol]

V1S?

We usually call those O5S and O6S

Ya know consistent name scheme

[sour solstice]

!whologs @sour solstice

[storm frost]

Yalia Sagewhisper of Famfrit

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

White Mage: (6256/18402) [2106.36 DPS] [66.7 Historical] [7:39]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

White Mage: (11668/17416) [1536.12 DPS] [33.5 Historical] [10:10]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[pure yoke]

Square calls it O

not V

[sour solstice]

Got our 6s clear

im trash

[pure yoke]

grats

[boreal edge]

gz

wait

wacih on primal

rip

cant help by 270ms i355 brd

[sour solstice]

now the real game begins

[scenic patrol]

Who will clear O8S faster on healer

Me or you Yalia?

[boreal edge]

@scenic patrol you are cheater

[scenic patrol]

Cheat how?

[boreal edge]

you know mechs beforehand

[scenic patrol]

Kek

I know all the fights this tier

[boreal edge]

yalia will see 1st forsaken

and say wut happened

[scenic patrol]

No, second Forsaken is worse

Second Forsaken has so much shit happening at the same time

[boreal edge]

not much from healing stand point

[scenic patrol]

He will Cleave the party with a clone

I guarantee it

[boreal edge]

past face him in

otherwise wait it out

[scenic patrol]

Or just use a trigger

[boreal edge]

now you are even worse cheater

[scenic patrol]

[boreal edge]

i killed both o7s and o8s in same day on my i355 brd 270ms am i gudboi?

[stable basin]

You know what's gonna be fun lol

If 4.4 raid is "Omegascape" (which really isn't too unlikely) when people try to abbreviate

[boreal edge]

i feel we wont even fight omega

and he will change his mind about how he view the star as we beat O12

figuring out last boss before u even fight him is getting old

at least to me

[stable basin]

I've also done way too much Shinryu

My phone hits 44% and i think dark matter lol

[sour solstice]

@scenic patrol my bets on you clearing first

[scenic patrol]

You are making this bet into a lose lose situation for me

[hybrid rapids]

You haven’t clear 7s yet

And he has better gear of course

[sour solstice]

He hasn't cleared 5s yet

[scenic patrol]

Yalia does

[sour solstice]

and doesn;t have better gear

[scenic patrol]

Than me

[sour solstice]

hes doing it on an alt

[hybrid rapids]

He’s easier to gear up tho

[scenic patrol]

I don't even have a single Mendacity on my healer

[hybrid rapids]

Ohh

[scenic patrol]

Tsun

It's an alt

[hybrid rapids]

Both pugging?

[sour solstice]

no

I got a uh

[scenic patrol]

He's in a static I am pugging

[sour solstice]

Well its a static

[hybrid rapids]

Recently started?

Or a static since 4.2

[scenic patrol]

I have the advantage of clearing the tier

As a tank

[sour solstice]

No

My static is like

2 weeks old

[hybrid rapids]

Ohh

[scenic patrol]

!lodestone Omega Johni Bravo

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo, Stargazer

Hyur, Midlander
Level 68 White Mage [Item Level 279]
<One Punch Mog> on Omega

[sour solstice]

I formed it

[scenic patrol]

Highest level job

I have plenty of handicaps

[sour solstice]

But im trash

!whologs @sour solstice

[storm frost]

Yalia Sagewhisper of Famfrit

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

White Mage: (6257/18403) [2106.36 DPS] [66.7 Historical] [7:39]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

White Mage: (11670/17419) [1536.12 DPS] [33.5 Historical] [10:10]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[hybrid rapids]

I want to say you both not going to clear it before 4.4 hits but depends on time dedicated. Yalia might clear first because he has a group

[scenic patrol]

Tsun

I know the mechs

I just need a decent group and getting used to healing

[hybrid rapids]

It isn’t going to help if you haven’t gear up

[elder dawn]

tsun stop bullying you got to believe

[hybrid rapids]

At most you can have full 360 crafted

[scenic patrol]

350 set

[hybrid rapids]

And healing is different than tank

And as you mentioned

You have no group

[scenic patrol]

Should be more than enough for O5S to O7S

[hybrid rapids]

Healing in o8s godka is much brutal

[meager walrus]

is OS5 and 6 actually supposed to hard content

because we kinda facerolled it

[sour solstice]

Eh

its pretty meh

7 is where the game begins

[hybrid rapids]

Just saying o5s - o8s just faceroll compared to HW or ARR :P

[meager walrus]

i am a stormbabby so i wouldn't know

[hybrid rapids]

Basically the difficulty lowered a ton

And mechanic is pretty much fixed to role

[meager walrus]

i actually am surprised by how easy they were

[hybrid rapids]

HW has more variance and randoms

[meager walrus]

like i just have crafted gear

the fights aren't so difficult but theyre fun

[hybrid rapids]

I do agree they are fun

[sour solstice]

5s is pretty meh

I dont find it fun

[hybrid rapids]

It’s a first fight

So special

With a train

I like it

5s is annoying for optimizing only

But if you’re just clearing it

It’s darn easy

[boreal edge]

i was dps and i tanked

took me 2 weeks to clear whole tier as tank

[meager walrus]

i hated 5s normal but savage is cool as shit i think

[scenic patrol]

opposite

actually

[meager walrus]

or wait is 5s savage redundant

[scenic patrol]

in the beginning

[sour solstice]

redundant

s stands for savage

[opal hollow]

what's the reasoning for pulling kefka north for trine?

the first trine

[hybrid rapids]

You meant before of after

[boreal edge]

ppl keep him in mid

[hybrid rapids]

There’s no reason to pull it before trine 👀

After is because double wing

[boreal edge]

unless there is special strat im unaware of

[opal hollow]

interesting

yeah had a few pugs telling me to pull it north before trine

[boreal edge]

galaxybrain strat

we just face him north

not take him north

[opal hollow]

LMAO

[blissful solstice]

my static always has at least 3 deaths during our weekly clear of o5s

[boreal edge]

there is always that guy who fell in all in the mind

[opal hollow]

dude

i swear o5s is the hardest one to get clean out of o5-8s

dps check is so goddamn low that you barely ever get to practice it

[boreal edge]

only seen enrage like 3 times in 1st week

then never seen it again

1st week on tier

but we had like 8 deaths in those enrage kills

[lucid karma]

O5S is fucking wild

I don't think I ever had clean clear once, there's always someone's death or some problem

[unique wolf]

o5s is pretty free

[heavy mist]

not as free as o1s

[steep iris]

o5s gets pretty painful if rdps is bad

[waxen wagon]

i just go to level 70 and finished the msq. i read that eureka is a good place to increase my gear level, but i have no idea what i am suppose to do here. the "eureka expedition" also quest is locked for me. may someone give me a quick explanation?

[stable basin]

endgame discussion but can't find talks about glamor 🤔 damnit i got the game wrong

[hexed meteor]

nah here's meta, here or on general lmao

[sage stag]

How do I display the pet action icons in macros?

[glossy musk]

o5s is cancer when you get people who are like

Tank and healer go to back

Everyone do your ghost

[steady pebble]

think its /micon "ability" pet

[vital cypress]

yeah i had to grumble at my tank to get him to stop running to the back

[glossy musk]

Like why would a tank willingly do that

Boggles the mind

[vital cypress]

his last static was really really insistent on it

I assume none of their healers had heard of, like, Succor, or Deployment Tactics, or Nocturnal Aspected Benefic

[glossy musk]

From what I’ve seen in pugs, yes

[sour solstice]

You uh

Dont even need to preshield

Reprisal, Addle

all kinds of ways to live

but nope thats too hard for people

[stable basin]

Yeah even in pugs we usually do front and back

Of course as healer it's always back for me anyways

as for "everyone do their ghost" every time I've had a PUG attempt the WAR strat we always die soo ... LOL

[pure yoke]

but war strat is really easy

you ir before going into ghost

you mash fell cleave two times

while double weaving upheaval and onslaught

[scenic patrol]

People who can't do WAR skip

[hybrid rapids]

my static MT has long load time

so he can't do it

same as ifrit first 3 breathe

can't take 3

only 2

[stable basin]

Well Johni, for starters, I main SCH lately and I don't even have WAR, in fact the only job I even have at 70 that can theoretically do it is RDM and I'm a shit RDM

[scenic patrol]

It wasn't pointed at you

[stable basin]

Which means it's up to the appropriate persons in the raid to be able to or not

[scenic patrol]

For a change

[hybrid rapids]

just respect content :P

[stable basin]

I'm kind of surprised they haven't adjusted things to nerf that cheese, and for other reasons

[sour solstice]

Why would they

[stable basin]

imo, I'd have the tank ghost come out at the same time as the dps ghosts now, which not only would nerf that as a side effect but also might help smooth out the healer delay

(and healer delay only gets more marked as people get better/more geared)

[hybrid rapids]

it doesn't matter for early content

same as UwU garuda woke

[frosty stag]

or 2 WHM

[thorn bear]

so what do melee dps do during star strafe?

they just like run around a circle around kefka

and then run north for the tower?

[dull radish]

pretty much

[lyric summit]

or a slightly-easier-but-no-uptime version, you can run from south to north just in a line

[hot plover]

when is the next tier coming out

[scenic patrol]

2 months

Ish

[hybrid rapids]

Isn’t 4 months interval?

It’s like only 5~6 weeks since 3.5 hits?

[scenic patrol]

3 months

For every major patch

As far as I know

[stable basin]

hmm do we have preliminary patch notes yet?

I and a lot of people I know are particularly curious about savage unlock timeframe

[pine beacon]

No

Unlock will happen after eureka/HoH, towards the end of this patch

Like a few weeks before next tier

[lyric summit]

deltscape got uncapped in 4.18 which was exactly 8 weeks after 4.1 iirc

but who knows

[stable basin]

hmmm

how many weeks are we into 4.3?

[sour solstice]

about halfway

[stable basin]

Yeah, there probably won't be a 4.38

I'm predicting we either get savage unlock tuesday (maybe) or otherwise it's gonna be 4.36 with eureka

we're far enough in that having a separate patch for it seems silly

unless they drag out this tier longer than normal

[lyric summit]

i think it's week 6 now starting tuesday

[boreal edge]

@lyric summit actually 10 weeks in

not 8

[stable basin]

Yeah, we may very well get savage free farm Tuesday then

almost certainly in 4.36 if not

4.38 very unlikely this far in

hell I wouldn't even be surprised if 4.36 is week after next

[boreal edge]

not bad pld parse

[pure yoke]

what is the actual %

[boreal edge]

90

[steep iris]

nah

it's 1 month before 4.4 most likely @stable basin

also i just realized i was late

[sour solstice]

@scenic patrol my static officially is running the monday 2 chest combo

[dull radish]

nice <3

it's been a while since I've joined any traps

[scenic patrol]

Grats

[dull radish]

I can do monday night two chests for fun haha

haven't done weeklies in so long

[sour solstice]

DRK/WAR/AST/WHM/SAM/NIN/BRD/BLM

sounds like a trap to me

[dull radish]

selfish dps party <3 at least you have slashing and STR party buff

[scenic patrol]

Replace the NIN with MNK

[sour solstice]

oh true

[steep iris]

god tier combo

[sour solstice]

not a real trap since we have aggro mitigation

[steep iris]

poor brd tho

No deg

drg

[sour solstice]

he doesn't care

[steep iris]

not caring about your dps

👀

[sour solstice]

or rather

given the choice between not running a NIN and not running a DRG

we agreed that the nin would be a bigger loss

especially since im the DRG in this scenario and im trash

[unreal flax]

You're going into O7S on DRG?

[sour solstice]

no

like I said

its better to lose DRG when its me

vs losing our NIN who is not like fantastic

but also not me

[stable basin]

queues as adventurer in need
Average Wait Time: 10m13m

[vital cypress]

70DR?

[stable basin]

Yeah, it's alliance roulette

[pure yoke]

are you tank?

if so, that is your first mistake

and even if dps is in need

you still need

15 dps

[stable basin]

hmm I also wonder if adventurer in need assumes a lv70 with all stuff unlocked

[elder dawn]

love playing tanks in alliance roulette. I can pull without waiting 200 years at every room and have other tanks rip aggro off me immediately afterwards

[vital cypress]

imagine three tanks at the entryway to Angra Mainyu's room

standing there for all of eternity

when one finally gets the nerve to pull him, someone else provokes it and spins him around so that everyone gets hit by the death ray

[elder dawn]

"I've played wow for 200 million years I know how provoke works"

[sour solstice]

Muh aggro multiplier

[regal halo]

Ugh SCH dots....

Got too@used to SMN/BRD dots

That refreshing dots is going to take another reminder

[hybrid rapids]

don't clip the DoT

you might lose a GCD by doing so

[regal halo]

Yeah

[blazing pelican]

I'll clip Miasma if I know the upcoming mech is gonna make it fall off and I won't have a chance to renew it

[hybrid rapids]

do you refresh DoT before target become un-target-able?

[regal halo]

It's more like the timing on Bio II and Miasma (Miasma II) are all different so I need to adjust myself again

SMN's Bio III and Miasma III are both 30 seconds, so it's a lot streamlined

[blazing pelican]

It's more for situations where I'm about to do a lot of running around

[regal halo]

Nothing wrong with SCH's dots though, so it's on my own.

[blazing pelican]

Prey marker in O5S, doing Typhon in 6, Starstrafe in 8

[regal halo]

Ok, probably need to stop fat fingering and refresh Bio II after Miasma X_x

If I bring SCH to end game I'd clip dots so hard it won't be funny.

[blazing pelican]

the messed up part is that Bio II has and extra 6s duration over Miasma

[regal halo]

Ugh, yeah

[blazing pelican]

They get misaligned immediately

[regal halo]

It's HW system, I've gotten way too comfy with 4.0 SMN

So basically Physick is what I've read, situational?

Use it for low cost, but most of the time it's Adlo?

[blazing pelican]

pretty much

[regal halo]

Hmm

Because of the barrier it comes with it huh

MP cost...

[blazing pelican]

Rouse and Union are pretty reliable now

since you don't have to save rouse for WD anymore

[regal halo]

So sic or obey for Eos?

Obey?

[blazing pelican]

and Union actually kicks in faster now

Obey

always Obey

[regal halo]

Okay

Oh wait

Succor for single target, Adlo for AoE...

Names @@

[blazing pelican]

you have that backwards

[regal halo]

oh wait

Ok

[steady pebble]

Adlo is single

[blazing pelican]

Succor is the AOE, Adlo is the single target

[steady pebble]

succor is aoe

[regal halo]

How often do you Succor?

[blazing pelican]

also, Adlo is something different in JP

[regal halo]

AoE wise.

[blazing pelican]

Encouragement Tactics

[regal halo]

I'm not going to bother, it's really long.

[blazing pelican]

or something like that

I avoid casting Succor as much as possible

[regal halo]

Shikikouyou no Saku

[blazing pelican]

the MP is ruinous, no pun intended

[regal halo]

So basically it's Indom for AoE

[blazing pelican]

Successive aoes is a good place

[regal halo]

Indom is insanely good, ngl

[blazing pelican]

Barring that, ET Succor for when you have no Indom

[regal halo]

I see.

[steady pebble]

isn't deployment tactics + adlo generally better than succor anyway?

[blazing pelican]

For shielding

Don't always have the luxury of 'just' shielding

[regal halo]

Nah, I just wanna know more options in effective AoE healing besides Indom

Making it easier to remember

[blazing pelican]

Whispering Dawn is always nice if it has time to tick

[regal halo]

So for pet actions, WD is a must?

[blazing pelican]

they're all good

Eos is your primary, Selene is really only used in the opener

[regal halo]

Yeah

for Fey Wind

I read.

[blazing pelican]

During UWU Garuda, when we have to pop some of our stacks, I hit Illumination

If I don't, we're probably gonna lose someone

[regal halo]

also

[blazing pelican]

Covenant gets used there too

[regal halo]

CS is not really needed?

Cleric Stance that is

[blazing pelican]

free damage o_o

[regal halo]

hmm

[scenic patrol]

it's free damage but if you need something more than drop it

[regal halo]

That Balance FAQ said it's not really worth it for the payback being so low

[scenic patrol]

[regal halo]

and only niche in speedruns >_>

[split falcon]

ye use esuna instead

[blazing pelican]

for most content my cc looks like this
Protect/esuna/surecast
Cleric
Lucid
Largesse
Swiftcast

[hybrid rapids]

balance FQ saying it's not worthy

but all of them taking cleric stance

[blazing pelican]

the best way to ensure no one competes with your parse is to sabotage the competition

[hybrid rapids]

theoretically yes, it's not worthy compared to necessary role action

[blazing pelican]

The best tip I got to increase healer dps was "be a better black mage"

[hybrid rapids]

but practically, everyone still taking it

oh...o5s needs esuna? have WAR skip it or just brute force healing it

[blazing pelican]

you only need offglobals for the ghost

[hybrid rapids]

first week tho

[blazing pelican]

don't need esuna

didn't bring it then either

[hybrid rapids]

SE should increase the DoT damage

and force healer taking esuna

wait, there isn't DoT

[blazing pelican]

wasn't a dot

[hybrid rapids]

just lowered heal

[blazing pelican]

was a healing debuff

[hybrid rapids]

make it incurable then

[blazing pelican]

only affected magic

[lusty oak]

add sever damage output debuff to force healers bring esuna

randomly throw 3 at the same time to ensure fun times for bards as well

[blazing pelican]

add sever damage output debuff to force healers bring esuna
Bring a warrior or rdm, I ain't dealing with that shit

[regal halo]

Gotta learn more...crash course time.

[split falcon]

nin can skip too

[regal halo]

Oh

Emergency Tactics cooldown is pretty short

Sweeet

[heavy mist]

Yeah its p nice

[paper torrent]

The S u c c

[craggy gate]

if you have to do the ghost, I just heal myself

get buffed up before it puts the debuff on you and heal

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fading shoal]

Do people even use infusions of vitality for anything?

[sour solstice]

Uh

don't think so

[fading shoal]

then why are people still buying em?

[sour solstice]

Leves maybe I dunno

[fading shoal]

grade 2 ones

hq

[stable basin]

I dunno, why do people buy mainstat materia that aren't str/vit?

[zinc vortex]

conversion probably

[sour solstice]

Dex 6s are very cheap so I buy a bunch and make some some good money

[stable basin]

Mutamix? But you get so much useless v and vi from eureka now

[zinc vortex]

sometimes people want more i guess

not everybody does eureka though

[boreal edge]

conversion

crafting materia 200k now

but later it might hit 750k

the good ppl didnt meld their stuff yet

til ppl figure out 4 star rot

[opal hollow]

right now my healers are struggling to keep people topped up for godka

what should they be doing to improve?

right now it's SCH/WHM

idk what i should be lookingat in fflogs etc.

[sour solstice]

If I were you I'd link your furthest prog in healer general and maybe SCH/WHM questions on the balance

and ask for help

Maybe ping one of the mentors or something idk

[opal hollow]

aight cheers

[lyric summit]

make sure to precast heals, that's probably the key to being a good healer

don't wait for the damage, know when it'll appear and time your heals before appropriately

[stable basin]

arrggghhhhh this is making me @@_@@

in the groups I've been in before we've just run to the back for head on

but now I have to learn an entirely new strat that actually affects sch lol

server tick keeps eating my deploys :/

"Deployment Tactics ... has no effect!" I JUST CAST ADLO DAMN YOU SQUARE AND YOUR SERVERS

[lyric summit]

you're going to fast

[stable basin]

seriously square. stop spending money on FFXV DLC dev and make the XIV servers more fluid instead

yeah, it's like 5 years in and they still keep to this clunky slow ticks system

why lol

(lemme guess, "because WoW makes enough money that they can exponentially increase server power to make the heartbeat not noticeable, SE has to make do")

[boreal edge]

overhual of the server/graphics if game lived for 10 years

so after 2 more expacs

[sour solstice]

the delay is pretty consistent though

[last galleon]

yeah just wait until you see the shield buff icon appear before casting deploy...no need to second guess server ticks

[boreal edge]

but yeah

i was playing on 150ms be4 relocation

had nothing like deployment delay

before

i seen it on swiftcast more

swiftcast

hard cast rez

gj

or

cleric stance

why my aero do 200 dmg

sorry you didnt press it it seems

or drop cleric

why i heal for 500

sorry it seems server didnt detect u dropping cleric

[hot plover]

the 4 man dungeon meta

WAR/WHM/SMN/BLM

don't @ me

[thorn bear]

that meme hurts my soul

[shadow pollen]

that hurts so true

[lyric summit]

wait.. johni and johnathon bravo aren't the same person?

[scenic patrol]

I took the last name Bravo after he joined this server

Also we play on different DCs

!whoami

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo, Stargazer

Hyur, Midlander
Level 69 White Mage [Item Level 279]
<One Punch Mog> on Omega

[scenic patrol]

!whois @thorn bear

[storm frost]

Johnathon Bravo, The Mythril Heart

Lalafell, Dunesfolk
Level 70 Bard [Item Level 344]
<ArchAnglers> on Zalera

[scenic patrol]

Also Lalafell

[thorn bear]

Swapped to potato recently to get a different perspective

Normally gecko and roe

[elder lark]

I love that outfit

[thorn bear]

the brd 70 outfit is sick

[frosty stag]

ikr

[sour solstice]

So I was reading up on 7s

and it seems to me that its kinda like train

where you see all the mechanics (except for diffractive and the biblio add) in the first few minutes

and post virus its all just remixes

[scenic patrol]

post Virus has additional mechs

like radar

[stable basin]

Yeah there are less mechs than it seems like

[sour solstice]

Yeah

[thorn bear]

when you have to pop HG before the biblio add spawns

😩

[sour solstice]

Diffractive laser

but that seems to be it

[scenic patrol]

it's the same mechs but the order is different

[sour solstice]

ok

also we dont have a pld

so Biblio will be fun

[scenic patrol]

DRK + WAR is fine

just let the DRK LD after the Diffractive spamn

also let him pick the add

[thorn bear]

yeah I do the fight as DRK when I raid with my static

[scenic patrol]

basically SW + DM for spam

with TBN on CD

then LD

to zero

until he dies

[sour solstice]

Ok

This doesn't look as bad as I originally thought

LMAO might lose this one

:^)

[thorn bear]

I don't think it's that bad but we always see enrage

[sour solstice]

whats the rdps req

[scenic patrol]

29K

[sour solstice]

oh

[scenic patrol]

[sour solstice]

thats not that bad

so long as no one dies

[thorn bear]

never parsed it myself always did the fight on ps4

[paper torrent]

:^)

[scenic patrol]

you can just check slowest Guardian clear

[sour solstice]

my RDM needs to get himself a fucking tsuku weapon though

[lyric summit]

https://gyazo.com/a2d1a75aa19a4e73bbeb55f06bfe15c7

is it prog if everyone was Dead

[vital cypress]

the rudest thing on guardian is the atomic ray + chakra combo

because no one ever wants to plan where to go pre-pull because "the explosions are so small you can just wing it"

then inevitably two DPS explode or drop the things where they block a chakra circle

[sour solstice]

just corners

zzzz

[unreal flax]

DPS get N corners, ranged/healer get S corners. Please don't be bads lol

[frosty stag]

I join a virus practice party and we wipe at Dada somehow

[unreal flax]

S E X Y

[frosty stag]

the War told me to provoke shirk him so he can do more DPS

then he stand in Dada's beam

and complain that I pulled Dada right under the boss

I start to feel like it's impossible to clear with pug

[vital cypress]

I don’t bother with pugs

[unreal flax]

It's not impossible. Just unfun.

[vital cypress]

though it might be hard to get a static this late without some clears

[unreal flax]

I've mostly cleared with pugs.

[frosty stag]

and range DPS always attack Dada ASAP

before I can even pull him to safe spot

[unreal flax]

Yeah, I don't know why they do that. They know what's about to happen.

[vital cypress]

i whip out my bahamut and immediately akh morn him

[thorn bear]

I remember joining an o7s party

where the dps would try to do his pushback

to place atomic

and it always ended up right next to the boss

[heavy mist]

lol

[normal mesa]

man our sam still does that on occasion

greed

[thorn bear]

I actually died to greed just now

tried to get 2nd holy sporot off

and the head which wasn't close to me (but on the server it was prob) killed me

https://puu.sh/APjwJ/a78ccf3e04.png

how do I achieve such high holy spirit damage jesus

What I think i'm going to start doing for godka is voke shirk during first forsaken

and then take aggro on 2nd forsaken

and trade back for 3rd forsaken

[heavy mist]

i mean req + HS is 💦

[unreal flax]

Maybe you have to do the physical version of the opener first?

For alignment

[unique wolf]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/aNCTtJxW3PLkcpwV/#fight=last&type=damage-done

taxed 100+ dps

[hybrid rapids]

did you remeld?

VIT

[unique wolf]

i'm on drg

never had VIT to begin with

[hybrid rapids]

oh

parse job

👀

[heavy mist]

VIT all the time

[boreal edge]

@thorn bear 3 requiscats and 21 holy spirits?

something not right here

[stable basin]

hey friends

how accurate is this? got it from a 4.2 reddit thread about BiS http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14X8S

says it's from The Balance server

[heavy mist]

Slowboye, 2.42 GCD, 2.17 Blood Weapon
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14X7F

Fastboye, 2.37 GCD, 2.13 Blood Weapon
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14X38

Sanicboye, 2.34 GCD, 2.10 Blood Weapon
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/14X8S

Poorboye, 2.40 GCD, 2.16 Blood Weapon
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/16JGX

you have these 4 options

[stable basin]

yeah i'm following sanicboye

[heavy mist]

so yeh its legit if u want that

[stable basin]

but the accessories are the ilvl 350 crafted

[heavy mist]

yeah

[stable basin]

is the 3 extra meld slots worth the 10 ilvl loss?

[heavy mist]

it is

[stable basin]

o ok

[heavy mist]

since u get dmg from STR

and u dont get much STR from higher ilevels

its liek 1-2 difference

[stable basin]

guess i'll go craft a right side then

[heavy mist]

if u would like

4.4 is coming uh what roughly 2 months ish

so u can decide whether to spend the money and get i350 or wait for new tier

[stable basin]

i can craft it all myself

and gather everything myself

so not really any cost

other than time

[heavy mist]

aight

just letting u know

[stable basin]

yeye

ty

[heavy mist]

and materia costs money too

so care of tht too

and its not guaranteed

[stable basin]

i've got like 50+ of the VI materia token thingy

[heavy mist]

well Vs

u can only put VIs in the 1st 2 slots

then 3rd 4th adn 5th have to be Vs

[stable basin]

i should be ok for a bit https://i.imgur.com/DqIayd3.png

[heavy mist]

hmm maybe, but u gonna need a lot depending on the luck

people have used up 300+

[stable basin]

ye i know

combat materia isn't too expensive anyway

[heavy mist]

okay, just letting u know beforehand since people dont understand the cost til later

and yeah its cheap now

[stable basin]

i can make gil kinda easy since i'm an omnicrafter/gatherer at current max ilvl and pentamelded

[heavy mist]

👌

[scenic patrol]

crafted pentamelded is BiS due to gaining substats while losing 5 STR

and that STR likely doesn't push a tier

hence completely useless

[stable basin]

is that augmented crafted or just crafted?

[scenic patrol]

augmented can't be overmelded

[stable basin]

o ok

[scenic patrol]

worse than both poorboye and actual BiS

also doesn't gain STR

0 STR difference between 350 and 360

[torn kindle]

Give accessories better str scaling pls

[lusty oak]

370 acc really shall have more str to destroy patch day materia market

[heavy mist]

but it wont cause of them not wanting tanks to be too strong

[glad tapir]

tank biceps

[waxen wagon]

is there a way to speed up leveling in eureka? even with the challenge log, it still feels extremely grindy.

[sour solstice]

log is the fastest way unfortunately

[last galleon]

no, it's just log + afk in the train once you're done

it does get considerably better around level...13-14ish? where you'll be getting full exp for most of the NMs

[waxen wagon]

at what level can i join the groups of people running around together?

[last galleon]

i'd say solo up until 5 or so

[sour solstice]

the train?

solo to between 5-7

[last galleon]

if you start too early you're not actually getting much exp from NMs

[waxen wagon]

i'm new to eureka, so i'm not sure what they're doing exactly.

i see.

[last galleon]

they're running around killing mobs to spawn notorious monsters, which is the main source of exp and crystals in eureka

[waxen wagon]

ah ok.

[last galleon]

most people just afk with the big group because the mobs don't respawn fast enough to warrant everyone going at it

it's technically more efficient to split the train up to spawn multiple notorious monsters, but eh, have fun coordinating that in a rando group

you'll be mostly fine if you just tag along.

[waxen wagon]

alright, thank you very much!

[raw oasis]

so how do you guys think they can outdo sigmascape?

Kefka Palazzo already was quite enjoyable boss

[scenic patrol]

They released Brute Justice and Alexander Prime

They can release better bosses

Judgement protocol in 5

4

3

2

1

[raw oasis]

i meant is there any hints or anything about the last tier?

something we missed?

[sour solstice]

Nope

No hints yet

[raw oasis]

considering how good the music has been in deltascape and sigmascape, final fantasy 4 with zeromus battle theme would be really cool

[stable basin]

Yeah the only going theory is a lot of people feel it's gonna be FFVII themed

but that's just going off the fact that Deltascape was V themed and Sigmascape was VI

It'll most likely center around some or other single FF game, I'm guessing

And I don't think they've really touched upon VII much yet

IX was heavily leaned on in Heavensward, XII is already pretty much the central calling of the Alliance Raids in Stormblood

[raw oasis]

final fantasy 7 just feels like a bit too much, considering the game would just be too much to tease for the remake that we havent heard for 2+ ears now

[stable basin]

V is Deltascape, VI is Sigmascape, III was the ARR alliance raids

[raw oasis]

what about 8 and ultimecia's castle?

[stable basin]

yeah VIII hasn't really been touched on much either

that's part of why there's been that persistent suggestion of a 4.6 and 4.7

(especially since VII, which would be logically next omega tier, has no Omega Weapon but VIII does, which vaguely suggests a fourth tier along with the whole "might go past 4.5" vibe but that doesn't really seem all that realistically likely)

[raw oasis]

ff2 could use some love with emperor Mateus and hell/heaven emperor

[stable basin]

besides like I said a lot of the ff9 stuff was brought in in HW

[raw oasis]

ff8 had omega weapon didnt it?

[stable basin]

yes, VIII did

the fourth tier theory doesn't really seem that likely though

[raw oasis]

i can imagine like 4 bosses with 5th boss in savage for omega himself for mount/title/weapon, while 4 is legs/chests

or no omega as boss at all and is just there to observe

[scenic patrol]

I hope we'll get better music

So far Omega has been a disappointment

In that department

Sorry to not have drank the nostalgia kool-aid

[raw oasis]

i liked dancing mad and final battle in deltascape and sigmascape

but that probably is because i fanboy ff6 religiously and enjoyed playing ff5 too

[scenic patrol]

I liked Dancing Mad

And I am glad I got the mount

But the rest of the tier is super generic

At least Locus was fun to listen to

[paper torrent]

SEEKING THE PEACE OF REASON

[thorn bear]

It's very hard to beat Alexander Prime

although I don't get the appreciation for Brute Justice, if only because I wasn't around when it was relevant

I think cruise chaser is way cooler

[unreal flax]

I wanted to experience Brute Justice because I really liked the NM version but all the "it's too hard" talk dissuaded me from it

[dull radish]

Brute Justice was so fun back when relevant

Overall extremely enjoyable fight