#endgame-lounge

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sour solstice
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its just that you are given 7000 years for every case it matters in

spice comet
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Its fine cause u notice long the fuck before it hits

scenic patrol
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A12 has a literal count down

spice comet
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Ucob bahamut gives u time to lb then he rips u a new one

scenic patrol
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To when you need tank LB3

spice comet
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Yea fights that need tank lb give a long ass time

sour solstice
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Judgement protocol in 5

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4

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3

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2

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1

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its longer than that but you get the gist

scenic patrol
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Server tick fuckery is only when you are greedy

stable basin
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Oh right, Byakko is an exception because they never intended for it to actually be a tank LB fight

scenic patrol
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Same applies to pre shielding

spice comet
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How can u even greed when the boss is untargetable

sour solstice
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Uh

spice comet
sour solstice
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I dont think it is

spice comet
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Oh byakko is just byakko

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Bahamut entrance is?

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Judgement? Think so

sour solstice
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Isnt the thing you need to lb3 the add enrage?

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Which has a long ass cast time anyway

spice comet
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Oh byakko

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Yea it's just byakko theres a cast bar

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U can still greed I guess but who parses that

sour solstice
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So I dont think theres any case where you should fuck up due to server tick

steady pebble
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no no no, you don't understand

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its clearly server tick

spice comet
steady pebble
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And not someone simply not paying attention

spice comet
steady pebble
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server tick

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is to blame

spice comet
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Right

steady pebble
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Not me

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for not paying attention

spice comet
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server tick

sour solstice
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and Ravin Judgement Protocol is A12s

stable basin
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Yeah, I think the reason people get irritated at the server tick is because it usually chops 3 seconds off your reaction time to all kinds of stuff

spice comet
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Yea I thought judgement alex is invi

steady pebble
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server tick

stable basin
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So things look comfortable and then turn out to be a lot more hectic when you take out the 3 seconds

steady pebble
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Totally not the player's fault

stable basin
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e.g., people first go into a fight thinking "oh I have 4 seconds to react to this"

sour solstice
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Server tick is only relevant on tsuku really

steady pebble
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server tick

spice comet
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Yea totally not the players fault

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Its just server tick

stable basin
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Turns out you really only have 1 second because you have to react 3 seconds in advance for server side

sour solstice
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Server tick is a complete non issue

spice comet
steady pebble
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No Yalia, you don't understand

stable basin
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You'd actually be surprised how often PUGs get caught out on it on O5S remorse

steady pebble
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Its the server's fault

spice comet
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Lmao

sour solstice
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Thats not server tick

spice comet
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I agree its the servers fault :V

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πŸ˜‚

steady pebble
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Say it with me, Yalia

stable basin
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Yalia, it is in the sense that you need to have Surecast etc. cast quite a bit sooner than the cast bar would make it appear you need

steady pebble
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Server Tick

sour solstice
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No, thats not server tick

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Thats called being retarded

spice comet
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server tick

daring berry
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It's not the server's fault if you guys cant afford a direct line to the datacenter so you get 1ms ping XD

sour solstice
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Or as I like to call it

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Brain Lag

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which is also the reason im a garbage blue parser

paper torrent
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Same

pine beacon
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Remorse fuckery is less server ticks and more animation/buff timing. Doesn't have to do with when the server registers surecast, etc. It has to do with when, in the animation, the buff actually goes off

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You'll see it with damage rolls. Sometimes the damage goes out before the animation finishes, sometimes after. Stuff like that

thorn bear
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Don't you just literally always cast when the ghost puts up his arms lol

scenic patrol
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Yes

zinc vortex
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i just hit it the GCD after remorse appears on the enemy list

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lulWut turning your camera

paper torrent
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2 hard

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Me go face

unreal flax
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I hit the button with Chaos Thrust lol

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Depending on ... stuff, it's sometimes before, sometimes after.

scenic patrol
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Started searching for a group now

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As a healer

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I just hope that I will get a decent group

zinc vortex
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pray your co-healer is good

spice comet
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Actually true ^

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If cohealer sucks, leave static, such is how it goes

scenic patrol
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At least the tanks will have someone to coach them

paper torrent
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A johni walks into an o7s

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He clears it in a week cause healer dps

scenic patrol
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I literally can join any static at any prog point and do fine

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Clearing the tier in less than a week with a decent static

stable basin
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RDMs that tunnel DPS and don't rez. Yea or nay?

scenic patrol
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Yay

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I'd rather a RDM that knows how to do his rotation over a rezbot

pine beacon
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Depends. If healers blew swiftcast, yeah. Go for the rez. If not, fuck it.

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BLM gets its own tools

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People get pissy if any other job gets something they don't have

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Psh. Swiftcast is for Ruin III

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πŸ‘Œ

scenic patrol
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As a DPS I don't notice anyone's HP other than my own

pine beacon
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^

scenic patrol
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Same as a tank

dull radish
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I kinda uh

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just pay attention to everything

scenic patrol
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If a Medica can't reach you

dull radish
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would be bored otherwise

scenic patrol
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And I am in melee

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Range

dull radish
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plus it's fun to tease people about making dumb mistakes

scenic patrol
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I pay attention to my rotation and mechanics as a tank

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Not much else

dull radish
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I've saved a lot of runs by paying more attention

scenic patrol
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Only when I am comfortable with a fight do I start to open up to seeing everything

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Like my DRG dying to Ink

unreal flax
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How ya DRG die to ink? There shouldn't even be a jump available when any inks happen.

scenic patrol
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He just does

dull radish
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people being dumb

scenic patrol
unreal flax
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lol I like it

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WAIT

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WAIT WAIT. I think I did it!

scenic patrol
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DRG dying to random mechs is a way of life

unreal flax
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I have raider brain now

dull radish
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oh yeah?

unreal flax
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I know that there are never jumps available for inks unless you've been holding something

zinc vortex
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atta boy pogslide

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you're learning!

dull radish
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real question is

scenic patrol
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It's not about the jumps

dull radish
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is there a B4B up when it's diffractive -> ink

scenic patrol
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It's about him being a derp

stable basin
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People are almost OCD about their DPS in this game, I've noticed owo

unreal flax
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lmao maybe, cuz I'm still gonna use that shit lmao

dull radish
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that's probably the one that they'd die to, potentially from that extra damage and not popping second wind or bloodbath

scenic patrol
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Because it's the only thing that actually matters

unreal flax
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I use B4B before Light of Judgement hahaha

scenic patrol
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Doing mechs is not that hard

stable basin
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Yeah, that does seem a weakness in design in MMOs

dull radish
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I've used convert during very spooky parts haha

scenic patrol
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Doing mechs while pumping out high dps is the goal

stable basin
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Mechanical weaknesses can usually be substituted for by DPS, if only because higher DPS means you don't have to deal with as many mechs overall

dull radish
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diffractive spam during virus? I want those two extra F4, I'll be fine

zinc vortex
stable basin
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DPS weakness is deliberately not made able to be substituted for by better mechanical and survival skills

scenic patrol
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People that do mechanics better also do better DPS Nadine

zinc vortex
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i'm not using addle during biblio for the defractive spam unless i have an instant cast because im greedy

dull radish
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I've nearly converted before heartless finished casting haha. Same with stuff like white hole

zinc vortex
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yet i dont have the logs to show for it

stable basin
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(Which is like, every MMO, mind you, except for the very early days of WoW when you had things like two-man Onyxia because enrage timers didn't really start being a thing for the most part till AQ40 and Naxxramas)

zinc vortex
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converting before heartless is a rite of passage

scenic patrol
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Just let the tanks eat your skull

zinc vortex
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we do vertical skullboys because our tanks are lazy

scenic patrol
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I did Cross

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It's decent

dull radish
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cross skulls are so cozy

zinc vortex
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longboyes allows me to stand still

paper torrent
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Hahaha yeah guys

zinc vortex
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fully

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100%

stable basin
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And Memories we can always give you mutation meds that slowly turn you into a morbol

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Then you won't have trouble with hotkeys anymore πŸ˜„

zinc vortex
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verticalboyes force me to move

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bad

paper torrent
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I love getting small trine too

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πŸ‘Œ πŸ˜‚

zinc vortex
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haha

scenic patrol
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Small trine is so fucking annoying

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As a melee

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Agreed

zinc vortex
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agreed

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not the deadliest but definitely the hardest

dull radish
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and then there's triple cast and I run around more for small trine just because I can

paper torrent
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Truly

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BLM is the Chadest dps

scenic patrol
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The potential of not having 1-3 on the safe side is so annoying

stable basin
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(As a related thing to the DPS matter - when in heck did speed become the gold standard of how good you are as a gamer? That seems everywhere now owo)

scenic patrol
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And needing to do 2-3

dull radish
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the trick is to get cozy with 2-1, or 3-2 I guess

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both are easy when you get used to them

zinc vortex
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BLM super cozy for godka

scenic patrol
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Nadine if you want to be called a good raider do Ultimate

zinc vortex
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all CDs line up all the time

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megacomfy

scenic patrol
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Savage is too easy to not start optimizing

zinc vortex
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please play BLM guys

paper torrent
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Big fan

zinc vortex
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also yeah i mean if speed is an issue for you you can always try your hand at ultimate raids

scenic patrol
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Nobody really cares about Ultimate parses

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It's more about if you clear or not

zinc vortex
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exactly

scenic patrol
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My opinion of you as a raider won't be lessened if you parsed grey in Ultimate

dull radish
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unless it's a sale

scenic patrol
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Sales are super obvious

stable basin
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people who buy sales ... @@_@@

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what's the point

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:/

dull radish
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well usually they don't get uploaded, but some people are dumb

scenic patrol
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E-Dick

stable basin
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WHY DID YOU BUY THE GAME IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE GAME

unique wolf
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what kind of retarded group would upload a sales run

stable basin
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lol

dull radish
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RIP did for a while haha

zinc vortex
dull radish
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and some other dumb really bad sales group that was on Levi would too

scenic patrol
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It doesn't matter if the run is uploaded or not

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Cursory look at any fflogs profile can reveal buyers really quickly

unique wolf
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primate server..

scenic patrol
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Risking accounts

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Kek

unique wolf
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no

scenic patrol
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EM are very much still active

unique wolf
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people have been selling content since the beginning of time

zinc vortex
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the most ive heard was 1 guy getting a warning slap on the wrist

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and that's just 1 of 30 guys over 2 sale linkshells im in

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basically nothing ever happens

scenic patrol
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SE's policy against RMT is to just ban spam bots

stable basin
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Yeah, you have to do something actually in game as a rule before they action

zinc vortex
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content sales have existed in all MMOs and will continue to exist until the end of time

stable basin
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Which is how the sellers have got away with it for so long

zinc vortex
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well yeah

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we use mostly discord for sales

stable basin
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because it's always just a discord link in the PF ad

scenic patrol
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Which server?

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I know of a group of content sellers on Odin

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So far

zinc vortex
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its a moogle group

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called oopsie daisy

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were active during HW but died 2 weeks after SB

sour solstice
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And nadine, about the speed comment

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What other metrics are there?

scenic patrol
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Deaths per clear

unique wolf
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moogle

zinc vortex
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salut

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πŸ₯–

unique wolf
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i wasn't aware anyone was able to do content in that server

sour solstice
zinc vortex
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yeah we're all trash

scenic patrol
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EU is more spread out but most raiders are either on Odin or Ragnarok as far as I noticed

zinc vortex
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ye

unique wolf
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1 moogle grp has cleared ultimate

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thats better than i expected

grizzled seal
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yea, the other servers doesn't buy people with amazon vouchers

zinc vortex
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πŸ˜”

sour solstice
scenic patrol
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Shabib did nothing wrong

unique wolf
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if u were good enough to get paid by some saudi prince to play ffxiv you would join that team too

stable basin
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I'm not sure how/if other MMOs have a culture of content sales

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Not sure I ever saw them in LOTRO or SWTOR

sour solstice
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They all do

unique wolf
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don't complain just b/c ur not good enough to join it

sour solstice
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Every single one of them

stable basin
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Never played ESO, and WoW kind of has actually legitimized it

unique wolf
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all mmos have sales

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just go to PA

stable basin
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... as mainly you pay Blizzard the real money, in practicality LOL

unique wolf
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you will see sales for every game

zinc vortex
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they are

sour solstice
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I remember seeing ads while I was playing swtor for sales

zinc vortex
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πŸ‘πŸ» in πŸ‘πŸ» every πŸ‘πŸ» single πŸ‘πŸ» game πŸ‘πŸ»

stable basin
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(direct RMT sell at your peril, one WF competitor guild got a dish of ripperoni last tier that way)

scenic patrol
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Disliking buyers I understand

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Disliking sellers though is a foreign concept to me

zinc vortex
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i hate sellers because they're better at the game than i am ban them blobangery

grizzled seal
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the people filling pf with spam?

sour solstice
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Hating the spam I can get

scenic patrol
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I did dislike it initially then I just forgot the expert tab exists

pine beacon
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Even then, who is actually looking for PF Expert Roulettes?

unique wolf
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nobody

sour solstice
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Hey man

pine beacon
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Exactly

sour solstice
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Df is hard no bulli

grizzled seal
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it's not in expert roulette tho, i saw it quite often in raids or endgame raids

sour solstice
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I see it in high end duties a bit

paper torrent
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I see them advertising in tsyu

sour solstice
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Mostly 5s

scenic patrol
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I forgot it existed tbh until you brought it up

paper torrent
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And 5s ye

pine beacon
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Until there's actually a space for groups to advertise openings, those PF groups and pf groups for sales won't go away. But they're also not hard to parse through

scenic patrol
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The PF sales that is

pine beacon
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Like: Oh, they sure got me. I was gonna join that i999 party. Woweee

stable basin
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I just wish there was a way to filter them out

pine beacon
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Oh gee

stable basin
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Or if SE would automatically kick any PF with "selling" in the desc to the bottom

scenic patrol
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That would be nice

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Too bad SE are too sacred to get us an API

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So we could have add ons for that shit

grizzled seal
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lmao do you think sellers would honor that

zinc vortex
pine beacon
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🀷 Until that point, there's really no issue. It's just a complaint because it's visible.

zinc vortex
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fuck do i care if you like the party finders or not

pine beacon
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YEET

zinc vortex
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i dont think the people that sell content are concerned with the feelings of players that dont intend to buy

stable basin
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I think people may just dislike the entire idea of cash for carries

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It's kind of logical in a way, remember that one of the reasons people play a subscription MMO is because they're trying to get away from pay to winners

sour solstice
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I... I have never heard that argument

stable basin
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It's kind of a corollary to the fact that whenever games go F2P, the first concern is P2W

pine beacon
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Yes, people dislike the idea of carries in general, cash or not. And it has nothing to do with the sub.

sour solstice
zinc vortex
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i play a subscription MMO because this is one of the better MMOs on the market

pine beacon
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The frustration is with the buyer, not the seller

daring berry
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also sub games tend to keep out "i fuked ur mom" kids that frequent F2P games because they are free.

stable basin
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That too TBN, it has negative consequences for PF in the long run

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hells, even unintended carries have such

sour solstice
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If people stopped buying people would stop selling

pine beacon
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πŸ€”

stable basin
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it's part of why people make a point to rush to complete content fast when it drops

sour solstice
pine beacon
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You can't eliminate unintended carries

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Because shitters exist

stable basin
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the first people that clear are generally particularly good at it, the later folks are a mixed bag

sour solstice
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Just trying to imagine the kind of system you would need

stable basin
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I dislike the notion that people who clear late are always crap, but

sour solstice
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To stop unintentionally carrying bads

stable basin
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on the other hand, it's easy enough usually for a crap person to get a clear with 7 good ones

zinc vortex
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oh god not this argument again

stable basin
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Then before long, you ask for Duty Complete and you get 7 people who got carried

pine beacon
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That's hardly what the general impression is, though. πŸ€”

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Late clear == shitter

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Shitter = shitter

zinc vortex
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ding ding ding

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winner

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i couldnt give two shits if you hit cleared tsukuyomi ex yesterday

stable basin
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@pine beacon usually it's couched in "it's week X why haven't you cleared it yet"

zinc vortex
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as long as you cleared it you're good in my book

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almost nobody uses that argument

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cmon man

pine beacon
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I mean. I haven't cleared godka, and I'm not having shit talked about me.

zinc vortex
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and even then 90% of the people that use that argument are just fucking with you

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i've told you this before but

sour solstice
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It applies to statics though

pine beacon
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Mountain > Molehill

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Is what I'm seeing

zinc vortex
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πŸ‘πŸ» stop πŸ‘πŸ» worrying πŸ‘πŸ» about πŸ‘πŸ» what πŸ‘πŸ» other πŸ‘πŸ» people πŸ‘πŸ» think πŸ‘πŸ» of πŸ‘πŸ» you πŸ‘πŸ»

paper torrent
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I must hit purple nurple

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So I can sleep at night

zinc vortex
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you can do it my dude

paper torrent
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My uptime on my PBs

sour solstice
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!whologs @paper torrent

storm frostBOT
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FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (5954/16093) [3722.57 DPS] [64.1 Historical] [8:46]
Paladin: (10830/17755) [3079.42 DPS] [39.5 Historical] [7:51]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Paladin: (11020/17493) [3578.71 DPS] [47.9 Historical] [9:45]
Warrior: (5174/15219) [4392.33 DPS] [67.0 Historical] [8:12]

paper torrent
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Y I K E S

zinc vortex
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only 10 percentiles off

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cmon my man

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go for it

pine beacon
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^

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The logs are a true addiction

paper torrent
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I had a 89% Eye uptime in that o5s

sour solstice
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Pad harder

paper torrent
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My addiction is diamond axe

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@sour solstice that was with skip too

pine beacon
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!whologs @pine beacon

storm frostBOT
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FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Summoner: (4606/9802) [5211.52 DPS] [65.4 Historical] [9:02]
Dark Knight: (58/8322) [4342.61 DPS] [99.1 Historical] [6:53]
Paladin: (2308/17755) [3946.77 DPS] [88.4 Historical] [6:43]
Warrior: (1126/16093) [4448.86 DPS] [93.7 Historical] [6:33]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Paladin: (5597/17493) [4108.63 DPS] [78.1 Historical] [8:46]
Summoner: (3327/9244) [5925.38 DPS] [73.7 Historical] [7:17]
Monk: (5744/7460) [5269.1 DPS] [24.9 Historical] [10:25]
Warrior: (1978/15219) [4726.9 DPS] [88.5 Historical] [8:04]
Dark Knight: (348/8487) [4632.14 DPS] [95.7 Historical] [7:30]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Summoner: (4130/6556) [5491.6 DPS] [56.5 Historical] [11:30]
Paladin: (2483/12415) [4012.1 DPS] [81.0 Historical] [10:55]
Dark Knight: (374/5171) [4199.62 DPS] [92.6 Historical] [9:59]
Warrior: (2705/11272) [4271.88 DPS] [76.5 Historical] [11:20]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Summoner: (4404/5307) [5120.67 DPS] [17.8 Historical] [6:49]
Paladin: (6165/9945) [3666.39 DPS] [38.9 Historical] [6:38]

grizzled seal
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lmao caring about fflogs this much

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just clear content

paper torrent
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@wheat gate thank

pine beacon
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It's fun to try to do more

scenic patrol
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After you clear content you have to have another goal

pine beacon
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It's not fun to do poorly

scenic patrol
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In this case is doing the content better

paper torrent
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I need to fix my pld parses

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Cursed greens

zinc vortex
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my goal is to

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literally do weeklies in less than 2 hours

scenic patrol
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!charlogs Odin Johni Bravo

storm frostBOT
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A critical API Error has occured, Kupo!

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (804/16093) [4581.24 DPS] [95.9 Historical] [7:19]

zinc vortex
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so i can play actually good games

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there's my goal

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😀

paper torrent
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@zinc vortex Stardew valley?

zinc vortex
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better than ff14

stable basin
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so your goal in xiv is to as much as possible not play xiv

paper torrent
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MULTIPLAYER?

zinc vortex
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exactly

paper torrent
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POGGERS

zinc vortex
grizzled seal
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it's week 25

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still doing sigmascape πŸ˜”

pine beacon
zinc vortex
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next week we'll get our RDM his 8th book and then we'll quit

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just in time for bfa

sour solstice
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Reee it's week X memes

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Reee bulli for clearing late

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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

paper torrent
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@sour solstice good luck today

scenic patrol
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I am not sure if Iksaar cleared beyond O7S

grizzled seal
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i didn't clear o7s

paper torrent
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Stream you slut

grizzled seal
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i didn't play this tier

sour solstice
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We will

grizzled seal
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if i bothered i could

paper torrent
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I want my weekly dose of laughs

zinc vortex
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i don't bully for clearing late pepehands

scenic patrol
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Why are you trash talking then?

grizzled seal
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πŸ˜”

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cause people are focused this much about their shitty parses

paper torrent
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Excuse you

zinc vortex
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trash talking

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you really think im trash talking right now

paper torrent
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My parses will finally VALIDATE ME

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AS A LIVING PERSON WITH A BRAIN

scenic patrol
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I just want to be gud at the game

paper torrent
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😀

sour solstice
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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

zinc vortex
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it wasn't even directed at you my dude

scenic patrol
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But currently I don't want to do Ultimate

zinc vortex
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im just taking the piss at people that focus on their parses too much

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nothing wrong with wanting to improve

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some people just overdo it

paper torrent
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Should I have put a ./s

zinc vortex
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πŸ˜”

#

is this the balance culture

paper torrent
#

Or is it so ironic that I've become serious

sour solstice
paper torrent
#

Holla at your boi

#

Trying to prog o7s

scenic patrol
#

I'd rather The Balance than people who are okay with being gray

zinc vortex
#

then you and i are just going to have to agree to disagree 😌

grizzled seal
#

ah yes, the balance

zinc vortex
#

any reason you don't want to do ultimate now though?

scenic patrol
#

Schedule

zinc vortex
#

ah i see i see

scenic patrol
#

It will limit me

stable basin
#

I guess it's differing playstyles Johni, some people are just okay with clearing content and having reliable weeklies as their goal

zinc vortex
#

one of the primary reasons i stuck to a casual group since deltascape and onwards

scenic patrol
#

Sigmascape I can take at a casual pace

stable basin
#

Some are competitive parsers

zinc vortex
#

i just dont have the time anymore pepehands

paper torrent
#

I still want clears tho

#

I play on safe side

zinc vortex
#

well i mean, those two dont have to be mutually exclusive

paper torrent
#

Just to clear

stable basin
#

I often feel like PvE has got over competitive lately though

scenic patrol
#

Having reliable clears and parsing high are not mutually exclusive

zinc vortex
#

my group does consistent weeklies but still has some people that want to improve

sour solstice
#

You can't clear very reliably if you are grey train

zinc vortex
#

like my DRK/PLD, my RDM

#

and uh that's pretty much it

#

i let my RDM pad on adds in o5s because he wants to

#

makes him happy

scenic patrol
#

Heck people who parse low are a handicap in Kefaust

sour solstice
#

It's one thing to get a grey on a clear

#

It's another to do it consistently

scenic patrol
#

Clearing Kefaust after the last Ultimate is sweat worthy

#

I had a 60% Kefaust wipe

paper torrent
#

OOF

zinc vortex
#

ive had these

grizzled seal
#

if did damage these won't have happend πŸ˜‰

zinc vortex
#

ive had these during weeklies more often than i want to imagine

#

even with only a single death

#

we get kinda fucked there

paper torrent
#

Yeah that is true Johni

#

But when your healers aloha snackbar themselves from remorse

zinc vortex
#

should've just played an actual good class and we wouldn't have any issues at all

#

then your group does better than mine :p

paper torrent
#

Sometimes we have to make sacrifices to not do another pull

zinc vortex
#

thank god we're very consistent and deaths only happen once every blue moon

#

except for phantom train

grizzled seal
#

tell the drg to not tether the war πŸ˜ƒ

zinc vortex
#

fuck phantom train

paper torrent
#

@grizzled seal no gimme tether

zinc vortex
#

hardest fight in the raid tier

unreal flax
#

I only tether the war if A: I like them, and B: if they ask. Both conditions must be met.

paper torrent
#

@unreal flax please give me tether daddy

unreal flax
#

Alternately, they get the tether if any other melee or in-range DPS are dead.

stable basin
#

phantom train has certain issues though?

#

probably actually can be a bit more troublesome with high gear/dps

#

though that's only if you're not doing the WAR cheese

grizzled seal
#

higher dps almost always makes stuff easier

stable basin
#

problem is it shortens the tank and dps ghost time but the healer can't really shorten theirs at all

scenic patrol
#

This is not Creator

stable basin
#

(does your healer have 9600 DPS? I sure don't)

scenic patrol
#

Also tanks can kill their ghost before tank buster

grizzled seal
#

high dps in creator made stuff easier aswell, even with strange pushes

scenic patrol
grizzled seal
#

skipping 2nd puddles is a big one

paper torrent
#

the last 2 minutes of train tho

#

Holy shit

zinc vortex
#

a11s

paper torrent
#

winds EVERYWHERE

lusty oak
zinc vortex
#

i dont even see winds anymore

#

checkmate

#

i literally dont know how to do phantom train post 9 minutes

#

7*

scenic patrol
#

High dps in choo choo makes P3 of the fight easy as heck

#

So again what was your point Nadine?

#

Also ghost cheese is easy as fuck

lusty oak
#

send RDM haha

scenic patrol
#

RDM, Ninja, Dragoon, Samurai and I think MCH as well can skip

#

Some classes get less fucked from skipping compared to others

stable basin
#

@scenic patrol when you're not using the WAR cheese, the delay between DPS/tanks and healers leaving ghosts increases

#

because healers really can't shorten their ghost time

scenic patrol
#

I know

unique wolf
#

doing phantom train past 5:45 bigthink

stable basin
#

and mechanics tend to line up like shit after that

scenic patrol
#

Again, tanks can kill their ghosts before buster

#

Hence solving the Healer issue

#

Also delaying exit

stable basin
#

Yeah I think a lot of our clashes might be explained by PUG vs. static differences

#

A lot of the tactics you mention are things that would be de rigeur for a well-oiled static, but you have like 0% chance of expecting in a PUG

scenic patrol
#

Well oiled

#

Good one

stable basin
#

Oh lawd, I just realized the implications of that phrasing and I'm on Siren for godssakes

scenic patrol
#

My static was never anything more than decent

spice comet
#

paissasquint it's tbh, having pug before, just git gud for u and know when a pug is failing n quit while ur ahead

paper torrent
#

especially that last part holy shit

sullen sable
#

Isn't the war ghost just

#

Pop inner release and push fell cleave?

paper torrent
#

it's basically an IR window

#

just cut off after the 2nd FC

#

'cause by then ghost is donezo

sullen sable
#

Yea so like

paper torrent
#

or if you do it a certain way just a modified IR window with onsalught first

sullen sable
#

There's no coordinating

#

Or brain power

#

Other than don't use IR right before ghost

spice comet
#

Nope u just need fast load

#

Push button

#

Our war who used to be blm main for the tier, got it like instantly its pretty simple

sullen sable
#

Do they still need IR with 370 gear?

scenic patrol
#

Yes

sullen sable
#

Shame

zinc vortex
#

its like what

#

50k HP?

scenic patrol
#

Unless you are relying on Crits

#

You'd need both FCs to crit

#

With Infuriate off CD

#

As well

sullen sable
#

Can drk take it down easily?

scenic patrol
#

Before buster yes

#

Cheesing

#

No

sullen sable
#

Ah

scenic patrol
#

Burst isn't high enough to do that

opal hollow
#

Is there really that big of a dps difference between diamond and tsukuyomi weapons

#

Had a BiS pld and could barely outdps him as war

scenic patrol
#

200 meh thinks

opal hollow
#

Jesus guess I suck LMAO

thorn bear
#

I wonder if it's my byakko weapon or some shit in kefaust

#

cause I never parsed above 3500 on warrior

#

even tho I swear I have that fight down so well

normal mesa
#

upgrade your weap omg

thorn bear
#

but then I'd have to learn tsukuyomi

spice comet
#

Mendacity

thorn bear
#

the mendacity weapon for war blows dick tho

spice comet
#

Ur gonna have fun in god paissasquint

normal mesa
#

ilvl above all

thorn bear
#

i do have fun in god πŸ‘€

spice comet
#

Yea tbh its ilvl

sour solstice
#

I mean

normal mesa
#

at least in the MEANTIME

spice comet
#

Dps is higher in 370 also if ur whm had bis u be fucked with them just dpsing boss

normal mesa
#

before you get your diamond one

sour solstice
#

Anemos is technically better than unaug yellow

normal mesa
#

get moon bun or mendacity upgraded

#

like

#

it's

#

yeah

spice comet
#

We had a war in 355 wep whm was even under healing n they had aggro issues

#

once they got 370 they were fine in dps stance doing full dps, 355 they had to aggro combo so much

#

And bunny is ez

thorn bear
#

I've never had aggro issues outside of the healing that takes place during the time around first forsaken

spice comet
#

I blind run, 1 hr clear paissasquint

#

Altho at this point theres no excuse to not have 370

thorn bear
#

I just have the shitty excuse of I didn't play for a while πŸ‘€

#

which is my fault

normal mesa
#

but no for real

#

uh

#

weapon

scenic patrol
#

Dude the augmented Mendacity Axe is the literal second best Warrior weapon in the game

#

Get it

#

You'll gain around 300 dps easily

#

With that

#

Heck Mendacity Axe is 60-80 more dps than Tsuku

#

370 vs 365

light flame
#

Hi anyone on?

#

Ah! Wait wrong topic

unreal flax
#

I think people are too stuck in sub stats lol

#

I had a WAR in O8S with Farsha Anemos lol

scenic patrol
#

Aye

stable basin
#

Eh. Could be an off job, you can only get so many mendacity weapons

scenic patrol
#

Substats are barely a thing

stable basin
#

And actually a fair number of savage raiders apparently don't do ex primals

sour solstice
stable basin
#

Which then leaves Anemos or upgraded crafted HQ for >350 until diamond

dull radish
#

That's a pretty bold assumption to make

sour solstice
#

Why are you progging on an alt job A

#

and B what Rika said

stable basin
#

Or they could just be newish to raiding

sour solstice
#

If you can't take the time to get a Tsuku clear

#

you probably aren't gonna be clearing 7s

normal mesa
#

^this unfortunately

meager walrus
#

Will our AF gear continued to be upgraded in the next cycle of eureka content?

scenic patrol
#

Pagos is only weapons

#

Next Eureka installment after that is all

meager walrus
#

that's a shame. I like eureka as a means to gear out alt jobs but the 350 ilvl is kinda weak

boreal edge
#

i cleared O4S on my brd alt i323

#

i dont see clearing o8s impossible on i355

scenic patrol
#

Next tier will probably have 380 Eureka

stable basin
#

henlo all

#

should i raid

dull radish
#

Yes, it's fun <3

pure yoke
#

raiding is for the big gay

boreal edge
#

the biggest gay spoken

stable basin
#

i actually wanted to raid this expansion

heavy mist
#

Raiding is for people without brain who think they have brain

#

Unless u do ultimate

sour solstice
#

@heavy mist no thats what Reddit is for

heavy mist
#

Then if u clear then u have brain

sour solstice
stable basin
#

but job first

heavy mist
#

Hmm Sept for 4.4 most likely

#

Ready to stay up and pug all night πŸ‘€

sour solstice
#

Can't wait for 9s to be some bullshit

heavy mist
#

Cause they already doing 4.4 preview for LL....

meager walrus
#

So here's a question

#

why does my vercure heal me for 4k and I get a dualcast proc

#

but in the SAME gear, my physick heals me for six hundred

#

six hundred HP

#

why do I even have this on my bars

normal mesa
#

because smn is smn and rdm is rdm

heavy mist
#

Doesn't rdm calculate on attack magi power

#

Smn uses uh healing magic potency?

#

Or something

normal mesa
#

physick is based on mind like normal heals

sour solstice
#

Int scaling for rdm

normal mesa
#

and int-- yes that

lyric summit
#

physick scales of mind yea

sour solstice
#

Mind scaling for smn heal

heavy mist
#

Just take off physick lol

#

Smn doesn't need that stuff

normal mesa
#

fun fact when i was on my super undergeared alt and doing the last smn quest i equipped all my sch gear right side so i could physick myself lol

meager walrus
#

I guess what I mean to ask is why the fuck do we even have it

heavy mist
#

Cause its from ACN

#

Its just leftover garbage

meager walrus
#

G A R B A G E

normal mesa
#

this is why they won't do another double-job lol

heavy mist
#

P much

#

At least smn gets rez out of it

#

So there's that at least

stable basin
#

You can clear o8s in i350, isn't what's really being kvetched about the fact that when you get a lower geared tank "oh no muh dps" because of aggro issues?

#

... Meanwhile these same folks probably also salt about how long it takes to pf tanks

meager walrus
#

is BLM damage really that it's cracked up to be

dull radish
#

It's not that you can't clear, it's that there's no reason to not get a better weapon by O8S at this point in the patch cycle

unreal flax
#

My problem with people getting hung up on sub stats and choosing to use inferior weapons is they're legitimately handicapping themselves.

dull radish
#

And yeah BLM damage is pretty good. In consideration with rDPS gains it falls behind meta at the very top end. But lower than that, can carry hard

blazing pelican
#

Meta doesn't matter if half the party is fucking mediocre

unreal flax
#

Like, if a DRG could do 5100dps with a Weathered Spear, that's wonderful! Now, put on a real weapon and let's kill the thing.

near inlet
#

^

#

then again I'm actually bad

#

but for real tho I really don't see why ppl would take the eureka weapon over the tsu/med weapon

meager walrus
#

sparkly

heavy mist
#

Well some eureka used be better than some i360 depending on class iirc

near inlet
#

keyword in that is used be, right?

heavy mist
#

But tsuk is now obv better

#

Yeh

#

2 WD/MD gain plus main stat

#

πŸ’¦

near inlet
#

lol

sour solstice
#

If pagos is 365 it will be better than tsuku though

#

Which I dunno why it wouldn't be

#

inb4 370

paper torrent
#

i would be 100% on board with that

heavy mist
#

Hope it would be i370 but I dunno what sqex wants

torn kindle
#

Another question is what the Steep Dungeon weapon ilvl will be

near inlet
#

inb4 they all just 370

boreal edge
#

put it i375 but i doubt it

torn kindle
#

I doubt that they would match savage weapons already

boreal edge
#

let ppl have easier time meeting godka dps check

#

they did it in ARR and half HW

torn kindle
#

For ARR it only matched 2nd Coil weapons in 2.38 and technically Zenith before they buffed coil weapons to i95
For HW they never matched Alexander in ilvl except for the last step.

pine beacon
#

365 this time around, amd it'll match whatever the ex primal is, after that. My guess at least

torn kindle
#

365 or 370 to be better than the HoH weapon, which would comparably be much easier to get if they were the same ilvl

#

assuming HoH is 365

boreal edge
#

its about time o8s lose their BIS

torn kindle
#

Since Padjali weapons matched Nidhogg weapons

boreal edge
#

they will be i365

torn kindle
#

so I'd like to assume that HoH will match Tsuku

boreal edge
#

so tsuku will be irrelevant

torn kindle
#

glamour never stops being relevant \o/

#

that BLM rod is πŸ’―

pine beacon
#

Tsuku would have been relevant to people that are progging, and had not cleared 7

#

And/or alts

#

Hell, I'm farming tsuku for an alt char, because I'm not going through Eureka, again

boreal edge
#

is why eureka need to give better carrot

#

so ppl do the grind

#

eureka takes far more than it takes to clear savage tier

pine beacon
#

Eureka has the benefit of:
A. guaranteed progression.
B. Likely end of expansion BiS
C. Good stopgap weapons

#

It serves its purpose

#

And opens multiple avenues for gear progression

boreal edge
#

af3 wont get upgrades

#

only weps will upgrade

pine beacon
#

True

#

Although that's likely the biggest draw to it.

boreal edge
#

idk why not upgrade af3 if not gonna continue it

pine beacon
#

But, ye. I definitely don't diagree that it'd be nice to see the gear go on

boreal edge
#

just make it craftable like ARR AF1

pine beacon
#

See that shit get transformed, like the weapons

boreal edge
#

rather that locking dyable ver behind killing loads of NMs

pine beacon
#

They did that with AF1

#

Was kind of a pita to get the parts for it

boreal edge
#

not really

#

AF2 is even easier

#

the piece of gear + upgrade cost 200 poetics

#

for dyable ver

#

eureka soon will die if it didnt die already

#

i barely see full instances nowadays

stable basin
#

I usually stay the lockout when I go

normal mesa
#

lol dead this dead that

#

such pessimism

#

it'll spring back up with Pagos

boreal edge
#

anemos

#

will die

scenic patrol
#

probably

#

Anemos needs to be forever relevant for future relic steps or people will just continue on

solemn pagoda
#

Make it and let it die like diadem?

normal mesa
#

you have to hit 20 for pagos y'all

scenic patrol
#

people that leveled in Eureka and got what they came for have no reason to return there

heavy mist
#

I mean since its relic technically it would never die just be p empty

stable basin
#

Yeah I'm actually already starting to see it

scenic patrol
#

and slowly but surely the high level population of Eureka will vaporize from Anemos

elder dawn
#

I still don't have the t rex mount after like 5000 lootboxes but fuck it. It's ugly anyway

stable basin
#

People seem less interested lately in the higher level nms

#

And actually want to pop Sabo lol

normal mesa
#

we don't know that anemos won't be used for the next step

heavy mist
#

I mean most people have a bunch of stuff saved up anyways

#

So shouldn't be too much of an issue. Plus its just weapons this time too

elder dawn
#

get ready to open lootboxes one by one again

#

fun times

stable basin
#

Lol I have 3000+ anemos boxes on my retainer

pure yoke
#

you can autoclick the shit out of lootboxes now

#

it's actually pretty fast to mass open boxes

stable basin
#

Yeah my main issue is how quick bags fill up lol

thorn bear
#

Just got past 3rd forsaken I am so close to clearing this dood

#

I am so surprised that people were dying to kefaust mechanics in the party

#

and then stuff that killed all my other pfs for godka didn't even do anything

heavy mist
#

lul

#

@pure yoke what autoclicker u use

wet stag
#

Ahk is great dude

#

I afk farmed in 13-2 with it

heavy mist
#

13-2? πŸ€”

#

oh FF

pure yoke
#

I don't use an autoclicker

scenic patrol
#

just use a macro

sour solstice
#

I use a mouse macro

scenic patrol
#

I had a macro that pressed Num 0 repeatedly on my keyboard

heavy mist
#

guess i need to mpty my inventory

#

πŸ’€

sour solstice
#

just dump all of it on a retainer

heavy mist
#

need to empty retainers too

#

πŸ’€

#

getting lazy to organize

#

where my app

wet stag
#

Yeah I'm waiting for the app lol

#

Cbf with inventory rn

thorn bear
#

is it possible to click off skills on ps4

#

or shouls I just cover earlier

#

on godka

wet stag
#

For hyperdrive?

heavy mist
#

dont think u can click off cover iirc

#

just cover earlier

scenic patrol
#

Cover functions like a debuff

#

πŸ‘€

#

you can't click it off

thorn bear
#

Yeah I'm just using cooldowns n shit

#

learning learning

#

Just hit enrage

#

time 2 clear

sour solstice
scenic patrol
vital cypress
#

So, the best tank accessories are the i350 ones with Strength VI in the first slot then Direct Hit all the way down, correct?

scenic patrol
#

Not entirely correct

#

First of all what's the tank in question?

vital cypress
#

idiot omnitank

#

i'm like our fourth-line PLD

#

or DRK depending

#

so honestly I'm not sure why I'm bothering to overmeld besides OCD

scenic patrol
#

Don't Overmeld

#

Git gud first

#

And maybe then think about overmelding

vital cypress
#

(i usually DPS and sometimes flip over to healer as needed)

scenic patrol
#

Again, this is a very limited dps gain

#

But that assumes that you are going to actually optimize your rotation

#

Save yourself the Gil and just git gud at the classes at hand

boreal edge
#

my alt cleared o8s at last

#

270ms suffering

shadow pollen
boreal edge
#

gz

scenic patrol
#

Grats

boreal edge
#

@stable basin there u go cleared o8s as i355 brd alt + 270ms

hybrid rapids
#

πŸ‘€

#

@shadow pollen how many PUG attemps? also, how many cleared in the group

shadow pollen
#

too many

#

i've been going hard for

#

lemme check

hybrid rapids
#

people been helping?

#

or is it 8 man first clear?

shadow pollen
#

8-man 1st clear

paper torrent
#

grats fam

hybrid rapids
#

man, that's sounds rough

shadow pollen
#

cleared O7S on June 2nd

hybrid rapids
#

grats anyway !

#

even JP PUG now

primal belfry
#

he's bout to get 06s too

hybrid rapids
#

is hard to have any o8s clear

primal belfry
#

chad isnt bad

hybrid rapids
#

the PUG is now NA quality

primal belfry
#

in fact isnt he easier than pt

vital cypress
#

i mean overmelds are probably silly anyways

#

like i said I don't really tank savage :x

wet stag
#

Yeah just go with diamond accs then

boreal edge
#

the increase is minimal

stable basin
#

So apparently live letter is gonna talk about the mhw thing

#

Guessing most likely it is part of 4.4 then and not 4.3x as some suggest

hexed meteor
#

Then it’s gonna be

#

Next eureka > mhw

normal mesa
#

nadine ya gotta stop making assumptions like that lol

steady pebble
#

the announcement post for it says 4.4 preview

#

Patch 4.4 Preview Part 1
Special Guest
In the second half of the show, we will be speaking with two of the key people behind Monster Hunter: World─Executive Director and Art Director Kaname Fujioka, and Director Yuya Tokuda─about the collaboration announced at E3!
Miscellaneous Announcements

#

but doesn't necessarily mean they won't talk about pagos

normal mesa
#

MHW event is still set for summer

#

so

#

it won't be 4.4?

steady pebble
#

oh i misread

scenic patrol
steady pebble
#

ya there's still a chance it will fall in 4.3

scenic patrol
#

This is fucking awful

normal mesa
#

so on that merit alone its covering 4.3x shit

sour solstice
#

O O F

#

15s from IR

scenic patrol
#

Nah

#

1 second

sour solstice
#

wait

#

I cant math

scenic patrol
#

It's like the epitome of getting cucked by kill time

#

Holy shit I feel sorry for him

heavy mist
#

that is a feelsbad

regal halo
#

@hybrid rapids It's not so bad...not so bad....not...

stable basin
#

there's still no date on mhw event i'm presuming?

#

I mean, I'm gonna make a prediction on that one. I predict it will happen on Tuesday. ducks

frosty stag
#

I wonder if PLD can skil ghost in O5S

#

with pre-pop FoF

elder dawn
#

not at the current ilvl

wet stag
#

Drk can if they get super lucky

#

Drk can kill before the buster but not fast enough to skip

paper torrent
#

double BS DH Crit

scenic patrol
#

that's a lot of RNG

#

but yeah

#

DRK can pre load burst to make the buster disappear

hybrid rapids
#

use infusion 2 POT

#

and ask for enhanced balance

scenic patrol
#

DRK is also the tank that suffers least from actually taking the buster on

wet stag
#

But why take damage when you can not take damage

hybrid rapids
#

you 2 drk fans

scenic patrol
#

"fan"

hybrid rapids
#

just shirk SAM will do

#

so you take 0 damage

scenic patrol
#

bitch I mained Warrior this tier

wet stag
#

Yes

#

Agony

#

Shirk sam

paper torrent
#

Cover the SAM

#

sam wasn't gonna walk or use arm's legnth anyway

scenic patrol
#

WoD/CT/LotA/VA?

#

what do you think I got?

paper torrent
#

LOTA

#

🌼

wet stag
#

Ah yes

scenic patrol
#

CT

paper torrent
#

...

#

i was close

wet stag
#

The second raid in the crystal tower series: crystal tower

steady pebble
#

but its not CT

#

its Syrcus Tower

wet stag
#

Cyrcus tower

scenic patrol
#

fine

#

ST

paper torrent
#

Don't argue with them

#

we're tank mains

#

shirk is our anger

supple sail
#

Circus Tower

paper torrent
#

the people who die to amon's curtain call

#

are so special

hazy narwhal
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FLARE ANTIQUA

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You can see the panic in their eyes as they run for the barrier... and then get exploded 2 yalms in front of it

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Or was it Ancient Flare? Not sure.

steady pebble
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ancient flare

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if you're talking LOTA

scenic patrol
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got the best trait in the game now

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oooh boi

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!action secret of the meh II

storm frostBOT
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**Secret Of The Lily II** : lvl 68 White Mage (None second cooldown)

Grants a 20% chance that Asylum or Assize recast time is reduced by 5 seconds upon healing critical HP with Cure or Cure II.

prime pivot
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Woo build job gauge for playing badly

paper torrent
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It's like SE hates whm

hazy narwhal
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I suppose they were going for the "Rewarding clutch moments" kinda deal but since that's not really supposed to happen anyway...

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I didn't know the bot could approximate skills... that's funny as heck

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!action Royal Bullshit

storm frostBOT
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**Royal Authority** : lvl 60 Paladin (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Riot Blade
Combo Potency: 360

hazy narwhal
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lel

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Wait, that was not funny ENOUGH

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!action Royal AUTORITAH

storm frostBOT
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**Royal Authority** : lvl 60 Paladin (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Riot Blade
Combo Potency: 360

hazy narwhal
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Yes.

frosty stag
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that passive

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I hardly get a use out of that thing.. for WHM

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they should really do something about WHM passive skills... cause I hardly find myself using much anything cure related

lucid karma
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SE are coward that don't want to give WHM more DPS

hybrid rapids
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Just don’t be bad

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Learn the job, timeline of fight

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WHM is strong af

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If you know how to play

frosty stag
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I mostly use my oGCD for healing

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cast cure like 2-3 times each phase only

hybrid rapids
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Know the concept of weaving

frosty stag
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most of the time I use cure3/medica1&2 to heal rarely touch cure 1&2

hybrid rapids
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And keeping HoT

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Regen is a good tool

frosty stag
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yea I put Regen on the tank all the time

hybrid rapids
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Against Auto Attack

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These are all the general knowledge

frosty stag
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so I can just spam stone through out the fight

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rarely touch the 3 passive on cure 1&2

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I've been using my WHM in tsuyu and O5S for awhile and most of the time Regen + Medica2 regen is enough for most dmg the MT is taking

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tank buster rarely pass divine benison

hybrid rapids
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Ability isn’t enough for savage

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And dungeon run

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But tsuku ex yes

frosty stag
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even in swallow now

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I can just put regen on tank and spam Dmg skills

steep iris
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medica 2 just for mt regen πŸ‘€

hybrid rapids
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Swallow can’t do big big pulls

frosty stag
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boss is spamming raid wide AoE

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tank automatically get that regen

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ponder guess so

sharp spruce
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Just to wonder, if I were to start raiding with a couple of casual players that have 3 caster DPS, which melee dps should I learn? I would like to play mnk but I feel like I should either play drg or nin for them

lyric summit
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if it's a casual group then just play what you enjoy 🀷

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but as monk you'll get like no chakra from them

hybrid rapids
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NIN is better if you have 3 casters

lyric summit
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ninja would be the best choice if you can trick reliably

hybrid rapids
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But as vis said, any will do

sharp spruce
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Well we have intentions of going into ucob/uwu if we ever clear o4/o8s and beyond

hybrid rapids
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No

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Disband or change job

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3 casters doesn’t work for ultimate

sharp spruce
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lul, well okay.

hybrid rapids
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Savage is fine

sharp spruce
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I did figure nin was better, so I can learn how to do it's 70 rotation. tcj looks like cancer

lyric summit
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just worry about savage for now, try clearing it before the next tier and then focus on that when it comes

hybrid rapids
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You can join balance discord

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And have NIN mentor to help

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On rotation and tips

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On how to improve

sharp spruce
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I am in the discord, but I personally worry bout it after I get a log or two if I need help

hybrid rapids
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Ye, you have to show log