#endgame-lounge

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hybrid rapids
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\O/

scenic patrol
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bled out

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kek

pure yoke
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balance helped me jerk off until the nsfw channel ceased being about porn

unique wolf
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am i the one who is wrong? no it must be literally everyone else who is wrong....

hybrid rapids
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lmao

paper torrent
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You can only block people who PM you on reddit what's up with that

hybrid rapids
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Imagine if ffxiv supports switch

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It will hold everyone back again

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#PS3 2.0

paper torrent
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It's not gonna happen

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Sony is so adamant about not having crossplay

hybrid rapids
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YoshiP said it’s positive

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They aren’t using Sony’s network tho

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SE has their own network

paper torrent
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Makes sense

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Still think it's dumb though

hybrid rapids
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Imagine if SE were using Sony’s network

vital cypress
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the Switch actually has a decent amount of RAM though

paper torrent
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I'd rather they work on stuff like making glamour plates more accessible

hybrid rapids
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Console players have to pay PS plus + Monthly sub

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Lmao

heavy mist
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feelsbad they do?

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rip

elder dawn
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I don't think you need ps plus to play 14 on console

scenic patrol
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you don't

vital cypress
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so it wouldn't be as much of a roadblock as the PS3 having like 256MB

paper torrent
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No tsun was just saying if you had to

heavy mist
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oh

hybrid rapids
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I meant, if they’re using Sony’s network

elder dawn
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if ps4 players are on sony's network then how are they playing with people on the pc

lucid karma
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PSN sucks anyway

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breaks every day or two

hybrid rapids
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The prime number apple jinx not reading

scenic patrol
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I have PS+ just because of MHW

hybrid rapids
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😠

elder dawn
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tsun bullying again

paper torrent
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Conspiracy theory time

elder dawn
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so mean

hybrid rapids
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You didn’t read what I said 😔

paper torrent
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No ultimate is for switch version dev time

vital cypress
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i'd buy the switch version (then complain about not having enough buttons)

torn kindle
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It would have around the same number of buttons as a PS4 controller, minus the touch pad

lyric summit
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no triggers tho

torn kindle
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oh yeah

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f

lyric summit
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aren't like triggers + bumpers the most important ones in the cross hotbar usage

hybrid rapids
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They aren’t using Sony’s network tho
SE has their own network
Imagine if SE were using Sony’s network
Console players have to pay PS plus + Monthly sub
Lmao

@elder dawn I’m a good lala, rephrased it easier to read 🤗

elder dawn
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yeah ps4 version makes use of every button and the touchpad

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omg stop bullying you are hurting my feely

hybrid rapids
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Because you took my last phase

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And attacking me 😑

torn kindle
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Solution: SE will introduce an Official © FFXIV ™ Controller for the Switch version

vital cypress
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pro controller?

torn kindle
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Pro-est Controller

hybrid rapids
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Switch is bad not only for ram

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But also graphic and memory

vital cypress
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eh

elder dawn
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can't wait to lug a pro controller around on the go

vital cypress
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storage maybe

hybrid rapids
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Irony they have few of the best title

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<

vital cypress
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the big thing with the PS3 version was that the PS3 had like 256MB of memory

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256 RAM/256 VRAM i think

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which was hilariously limited when the damn thing released

elder dawn
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also if it does get on the switch any future content would have to take switch limitations in mind instead of ps4 limitations

hybrid rapids
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Ye

vital cypress
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let alone for an MMO developed in 2013

hybrid rapids
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Xbox is fine, just please no switch

elder dawn
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no touchpad on the xbox controller so navigating the mouse would be a pain

torn kindle
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There's the direct mouse option, which lets you control it with the right stick

hybrid rapids
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True

torn kindle
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Touch pad is more used for swapping between the interface windows

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like chat/loot/buff bar

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more

elder dawn
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the touchpad on the dualshock pad is like a tab key on pc, lets you go through different options very quickly. I wonder which button is gonna do that on the xbox

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ye

torn kindle
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I guess the select button does that

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since PS4 controller doesn't have one

elder dawn
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won't that need that for screenshots

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ps4 uses the share button

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for screenshots

torn kindle
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🤷

scenic patrol
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at least setting up streams is easy on the PS4

boreal edge
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select button can work in xbox

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ps4 controller only have share button extra over xbox

hybrid rapids
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We have reset button :)

vital cypress
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zzzzz

boreal edge
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are they seriously thinking of releasing ffxiv on switch?

sour solstice
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Unconfirmed rumors

hybrid rapids
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It isn’t rumor

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It unconfirmed yes

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YoshiP only said very positive

zinc vortex
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i really hope they don't

stable basin
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It can't be out of the realm of possibility.

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It's already controller-friendly and as for system power? I've seen people play it on total potato systems so ... yeah lol

split falcon
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i'd rather them fix the current issues with the game as opposed to porting it to a handheld console and giving us ps3 limitations all over again

frosty sphinx
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I doubt sony would allow the cross platform play with the switch and i doubt people would want to not do cross play

sour solstice
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Ah yes

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the Fortnite special

frosty sphinx
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Yep, that shit show was all about the $$$

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Greedy sony really shit the bed with that one

vital cypress
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yeah if sony won't give in for something like fortnite they aren't going to budge on a relatively small MMO

frosty sphinx
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Indeed and the player base will be tiny on the switch so all servers will be dead. unless SE can get sony to allow cross play between all systems I highly doubt it’ll happen

stable basin
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I don't think they'd consider standalone switch version

scenic patrol
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Imagine world first Switch UwU

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How exciting

hybrid rapids
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The switch screen is so tiny tho

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Unless docked it

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But why don’t buy a PS4 instead if forced to dock

frosty sphinx
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Oh god, I never considered how tiny the action bars would be, how would you see the remaining CDs

lament dawn
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Looks like we're done with reconstruction for the rest of 4.3

normal mesa
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yup, but confirmed 'there will be no further developments until a future update.'

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so we will be getting more

barren grove
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Is there anything practical from it being developed up to date? Spending a couple weeks away from xiv

supple sail
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A material for making Wind-up Sadu

craggy gate
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Fools threshold?

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I wonder if it's as nice as the window.

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Oh oh oh it's the other window. Ree.

normal mesa
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its still NICE tho

craggy gate
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I saw threshold and thought rug

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I do like that one though

normal mesa
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i hoped more like the paper partition doors

boreal edge
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time to sell the loads of the royal ferns i have

steady pebble
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ahhh i need to do this weeks

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victory or death is so good ❤

glad tapir
vital bolt
barren grove
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late but thanks for the answer

stable basin
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also "a later update" could mean at any time they feel like, including ten years from now, I suppose

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kind of like whether we will actually get more housing wards

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(the fact that they mentioned that the FC/relocation moratorium will be in place on future housing ward introductions kinda indicates that there will be, but ... yeah.)

daring berry
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what's a decent dps number for a AST at ilv 352? (with tsukuyomi weapon)

spice comet
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🤔 i wanna say 1.5-2k

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It's weird now cause of the whole dps increase on ast

daring berry
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yeah

spice comet
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Like 370 ast is 3k

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2.5k

daring berry
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i'm pulling 3k on a dummy.

spice comet
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So yeah its rly weird

sour solstice
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I was doin 1.7k on a 340 whm with non aug allagan

daring berry
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so probably 2.5k on regular stuff.

spice comet
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Depends on ur cpm

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Cause more cpm is more heals more dps

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The avg cpm

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23

daring berry
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lightspeed is only good for Gravity i guess

spice comet
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25 etc

sour solstice
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Lightspeed is good to not get fucked by MP as well

spice comet
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Nah ppl say use ligjtspeed when moving

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For example 2nd forsaken

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In o8s

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Ligjtspeed and dps as u run

daring berry
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oh right

stable basin
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hrm, get the healer pants today when I reach 825 menda and keep the anemos book till i get tsukuyomi's

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... or get nothing this week so i can have 1000 for the menda book next week. ponders

lyric summit
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tsuku should be better if you can't get weapon upgrade

stable basin
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yeah I'm not even sure exactly when the weapon upgrade will be added in for coins either

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(mainly because it's not clear if there's gonna be a 4.38 or if because of Eureka all that jazz is going into 4.36)

lyric summit
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just get tsuku and get mendacity left side, try some accesories from o5s

stable basin
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Yeah, I have almost all the O5S healer stuff except the belt and earring already

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A lot of things aren't clear, like if the MHW trial is gonna be an additional bonus trial (eight trials for SB) or if it's just going to be 4.4's (seven trials for SB, which would be expected, but people keep feeling like the MHW event will be before 4.4)

lyric summit
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i doubt it will be a trial if it's a seasonal event

sour solstice
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They implied it would be

stable basin
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It's not a seasonal event, Yoshi's on record that it will not be time limited

lyric summit
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oh huh

sour solstice
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Makes sense

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MoHun is getting a full blown monster out it

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and people dont like removing content

stable basin
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In fact, it might even be part of the reason for people's various salt about this patch cycle, since apparently also this MHW thing is a labor of love that's been exempted from the normal budget constraints

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... which probably means that the rest of XIV's budget gets to bear the brunt LOL

lyric summit
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no ultimate ree

stable basin
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tbh, ultimate would be the first thing I'd cut too Vis

sour solstice
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"3 ultimates would be too many"

stable basin
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what percentage of players will ever play ultimate?

sour solstice
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Thats not entirely fair

stable basin
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I know plenty of people meanwhile who do not touch Savage at all, but who do routinely do EX trials

sour solstice
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What percentage of players are affected by ultimate?

stable basin
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so EX (and front half of savage maybe) seems to be pretty much the mainstream endgame

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Yalia, quite a lot of them probably and really not necessarily positively

sour solstice
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No, I think it is a net positive

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Its a community event

stable basin
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Remember that it's been stated by several people that the biggest resource Ultimate drains is battle designer time

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So all that time that goes into developing mechs for Ultimate is time that can't go into making the more accessible fights more interesting

sour solstice
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The accessible fights will never be interesting

boreal edge
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about 25% of playerbase do Extremes

sour solstice
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simply by their nature

boreal edge
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10% do savage

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4% clear the tier

stable basin
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Yeah, 1 out of 25 players is even in a position to attempt Ultimate when it is current

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Unless you're going to say that Super-HC players are actually the most important part of the playerbase because streaming

sour solstice
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and its not like any mechanic that gets thrown in Ultimate is stuck there

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Ultimate can be used as a testing gorund for really interesting shit

stable basin
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(as in the Super-HC cohort in general, a few specific ones are of course of particular importance like MTQ since most people do use guides)

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we won't say mr happy because mr happy guides are garbage lol

lyric summit
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can it tho, the only new thing in ultimate was like.. uwu enrage

sour solstice
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At least Mr happy can clear the content

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xd

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And heres my problem

boreal edge
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ultimate is exactly following thordan ex design

sour solstice
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If you dont provide enough content for the higher end players

boreal edge
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mix 5 simple mechs to make ultra hard one

sour solstice
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they get bored and frustrated

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they are very vocal, and very powerful in the community

stable basin
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Yalia, I think the idea is, if you don't provide enough content for any tier of player, they tend to get bored and frustrated

sour solstice
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Right

stable basin
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high end players are a much smaller cohort than casual and mid tier players though

sour solstice
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But its a lot easier to throw out more casual content

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The players that benefit from Ultimate are also the guide makers

stable basin
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basically, it seems like more people would be happier in general by adding more mid tier fights than catering to the top 4%

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we don't have a lot of those. mostly EX and maybe the first half of Savage.

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and EX is free farm so ends up having less longevity than most

sour solstice
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using the same logic

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it would be better to cater to the 75% of the playerbase

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that only does normal if that

stable basin
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most content does

sour solstice
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Right

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Most does

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and thats a good thing

stable basin
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but yeah, there's a strong tendency to cater to the super casual and the super HC and kinda leave really limited options for those in between

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(which most people who actually take the time to get into raiding are gonna turn out to be, myself included)

sour solstice
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Well

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the majority of the playerbase falls into the first

boreal edge
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worst pld ( me ) gonna stream weekly o5s - o8s in 15 mins if anyone interested

sour solstice
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and the figureheads fall into the second

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Midcore/hardcore raiders are that 4%

stable basin
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it almost kind of feels like that middle 21% are considered dev/design wise ... actually a drag on the game or something. LOL

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though the intermediate tier might also be harder to dev for

pine beacon
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The 24 man, the ex trials, and the first half of the savage tier fit that description. Which is a decent chunk of the current content

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And progging through the harder stuff is always an option regardless of skill level

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(Doesn't mean everyone will clear, but it's something to do)

scenic patrol
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Instead of ultimate what content will we get?

paper torrent
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More eureka

scenic patrol
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Another dungeon?

paper torrent
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Plz look foward to it

scenic patrol
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More Eureka?

lunar carbon
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in 4.4, you mean?

scenic patrol
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4.4 will have the last raid tier

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4.5 was supposed to be the last Ultimate

lunar carbon
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haha Rebuild Rhalgr's Reach

nimble dove
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rebuild cartenau

chrome spire
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rebuild hauchefrant

lunar carbon
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rebuild ARR

daring berry
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Does construct 7 only ask for Primes if it's ANGERY?

paper torrent
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i think it does

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'cause it says it's increasing diffiuclty the seoncd time around

last galleon
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people who have progged/are progging uwu, how many hours of prog did each phase take you guys approximately?

normal mesa
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eh it only took a couple hours to get garuda down for our babby group but ifrit is gonna take more cuz our shitty smn (me) couldn't figure out eruption timings for 2 hours lol

spice comet
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Garuda was like yea a few hrs, took a week which is rly 8ish hrs to hit ifrit consistently

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And we did like 6 hrs to past ifrit nails consistently n now we're dying to divebombs

normal mesa
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sounds like our fate this week Ravin lol

spice comet
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It's more about consistency then just getting the phase down, u can say we beat ruda with 2 ded, but its diff than now which is smooth as fuck no deaths

normal mesa
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yeah exactly lol

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i kept dying to the phase change charge, like from garuda to ifrit?

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my brain could not wrap around it. then it clicked and the ot started dyin to it lol

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then we got to nails and my weird ping + directional impairment led to bad timing...gettin it tho

dull radish
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a funny issue we run into sometimes is when the SCH gets searing wind, he'll sometimes forget to heal himself

spice comet
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I used to die to just existing in ifrit paissasquint

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Tank cleaves, eruptions, etc

normal mesa
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mood

dull radish
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my team doesn't make me bait eruptions or anything, so ifrit is super cozy for me <3

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and I have manaward as backup if I'm spooked about living for something

last galleon
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oh yeah rika you progging as BLM? makes sense that they'd have a healer bait your eruptions then

dull radish
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Yeah. Though honestly I could probably make do with baiting them, or at least some, via sharp + swift or triple, but is comfy to just chill right under ifrit instead

stable basin
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Yeah Rika that's basically what people were salting about about SMN not too long ago

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SMN is the only DPS that has no "backup" like that

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Physicals have Second Wind, BLM has Manaward, RDM has Vercure, SMN has ... "hope the healer notices I need a little more HP"

dull radish
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I dunno, there's not really a concern

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RDM don't go out of their way to vercure for survivability

last galleon
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i would sometimes during 24 man raids

dull radish
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Nice thing is, most raidwides are magic so casters already have a bit more going for them with higher magic defense

last galleon
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on SMN i just addle and pray

dull radish
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Yeah pretty much, but it's not really a source of salt at all

last galleon
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yeah

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it's more of a 'would've been nice to have' but i'm saltier about bahamut's clinginess than i am about not having survival options

vital cypress
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well this is lovely

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not like i wanted to raid tonight anyways

normal mesa
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my salt @ ifrit eruptions on smn is PURELY my inconsistent ping. adds a layer of variety I could do without lol

stable basin
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well, I can hardly think of a single fight that inconsistent ping is a great thing to have on

dull radish
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Understandable haha, my connection is generally pretty stable but occasionally I'll have those days where it acts up and becomes an annoying mix of thinking/acting ahead and guessing/adjusting to what actually happened

stable basin
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i'm surprised you aren't salty at the fans on tsukuyomi for the same reason miz?

vital cypress
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well at least it's not a targeted DDoS

pure yoke
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Hi friends

dull radish
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Heya

pure yoke
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how are you?

dull radish
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Doing okay, you?

pure yoke
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I am ok

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posted a recruitment thread today

dull radish
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Oh yeah? Good luck <3

pure yoke
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thanks

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I set my standards umm

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pretty sky high

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this time

steep iris
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👀

sour solstice
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is 2 hours a night 3 nights a week soft or mid core?

last galleon
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there's a lot of discussions surrounding this but softcore/midcore can have a lot of overlap, i think the diffrentiator is more on attitudes towards raiding and goals rather than time spent

sour solstice
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Fair enough

last galleon
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6 hours per week can honestly go either way (softcore or midcore) so i'd be more explicit on the goals/attitude portion if you're posting a recruitment

raw oasis
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every person has so different pov what is softcore and hardcore

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some people consider hardcore as people who learn fights faster than majority, others by time they commit to beat boss encounters

hexed meteor
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@pure yoke need your help op woof

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theres any guide or errr anything lmao, to know where to time or help a drg with aetherpact cuz mnk is 90/90/60 but drg is 180/80/120

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so only with dragon sight? idk just trying to learn how drg works better and smn

wet stag
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You use aetherpact in the opener

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Then on cooldown

hexed meteor
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yeh okay but on what gcd

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on 3rd? 5th?

sour solstice
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just

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read the opener

hexed meteor
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to time it with mnk/drg/nin

wet stag
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The opener

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Read the opener

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The opener

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Read it

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The poison for kuzco

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Kuzco's poison

sour solstice
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!faq smnguide

storm frostBOT
last galleon
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I don’t know why that guide has rouse before aehterpact but all of the current openers have it the other way around

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The GCD timing is still correct though

stable basin
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sometimes I wonder how anyone ever figured that out on their own

last galleon
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It’s not a one person effort most of the time

stable basin
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(especially given that what one figures out on one's own is almost always a terrible rotation by comparison)

sour solstice
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Not really

lyric summit
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team effort by the balance math wizards

last galleon
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^

sour solstice
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Doesn't take a genius to figure out drg for example

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Most classes have a baseline rotation that's pretty intuitive

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Openers and some optimization can be galaxy brain but

lyric summit
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I dunno, I overheard an ex drg friend recently saying there's cases where you want to "burn"/get 4th eye instead of going into LotD, I guess it's more fight specific than rotation but there's still cases where ez jobs can get complex af

sour solstice
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Which fight?

lyric summit
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no idea lmao

sour solstice
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Oh rip

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Point stands though

lyric summit
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maybe clown? I'd suspect because of transitions

sour solstice
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Generally speaking anyone who takes the time to think about it can figure out a baseline rotation

lone pebble
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Keffy ka

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Since he has double transitions.

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Lines up with other peeps bursty

last galleon
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Generally want to avoid aetherpact during rouse because when the pet is doing devotion animation it’s not AAing

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The other part is it lets you get triD/DF/festers under devotion easier

vital cypress
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ddos

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then tornado

stable basin
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o.O you near chicago area?

vital cypress
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eastern iowa

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also it’s like 20 miles east of here so who cares

stable basin
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ah

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there was apparently one in the south suburbs in chicago, only a few miles from here not too long ago

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someone said it took out one of the local PDs

dull radish
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for farm I use 1592. For prog, uh I forget where I'm at, probably closer to 1700 or something for now

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lot of folks like a bit more spellspeed, 1930 is a cozy set. But 1592 is where you can be while still having max crit

last galleon
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Don’t have enough pages to just trade in?

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Ah rip 😦

heavy mist
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Did I just read for DRG to burn an eye 🙄

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I'll burn your eye 👀

sour solstice
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Yeah I was weirded out by that

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wouldnt you just delay Nastrond

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and keep dive ready

unreal flax
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For Clown, you should be able to just do the first three Life windows asap and then delay the 4th. The 4th and 5th will be back to back unless your DPS is that hot.

sour solstice
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Ill keep that in mind for if/when my static gets there

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assuming im still playing DRG after the new recruitment

unreal flax
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I can't think of any instance in which it is objectively better to eat an eye. It happens to me sometimes, but it's definitely not better.

sour solstice
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@unreal flax btw if I dont get a new melee or healer by thursday would you mind subbing?

unreal flax
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I don't mind, but everything'll likely be 1-chest. O7S might end up being 2-chest, though.

sour solstice
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I mean

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we only started the group last week

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so we haven't even touched 6s yet xd

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some of us have

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but not all

unreal flax
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Oh shit haha, I'm getting way ahead of myself, then.

sour solstice
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yeah

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it would be at 7 our time

unreal flax
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On Thursday? Shouldn't be a problem.

sour solstice
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kk thanks

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hopefully I get a melee or healer by then

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we basically have 5s down our healer just wasnt getting it but he quit for school reasons so

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we're basically starting 6s

unreal flax
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Keep me posted and if necessary, I can slide in

unique wolf
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feels good to clear both main and alt for the week on ultimate

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😩 👌 💯

hybrid rapids
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stronk umaru

steep iris
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stronk

unique wolf
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big uwu xd fan

sour solstice
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Now you got that Gay Bulge Ultima

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👀

hybrid rapids
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potato skewers....

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tiff have the axe?

unique wolf
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not yet

steep iris
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qt

hybrid rapids
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will pet

hidden iris
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And I'm still stuck on Ifrit because PF died and I don't have a static -_-

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Grats on your shinies tho

unreal flax
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Made it to third Forsaken Monday night. I'll definitely clear this before echo.

dull radish
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nice, nearly there <3

vital cypress
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meanwhile I’m mysteriously getting DDOSed

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still

copper portal
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So, can you sell gear from alexander tokens for company seals?

unreal flax
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Yes.

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Each Alex item ranges in value from like... 1200 to 1400 seals, if I remember correctly.

copper portal
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Cool

unreal flax
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It might actually 1000-1200, but honestly, who cares? It's a lot.

copper portal
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People always leave the alex tokens and more GC seals are always welcome

unreal flax
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I believe you can also desynth them if your stats are high enough.

copper portal
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my highest desynth is 120....

unreal flax
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rippo

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Yeah, I think my highest is BSM at 101 lol

stable basin
#

Estelle, I doubt you're being personally DDoSed, you're suffering what I always called the Burger King effect

vital cypress
#

well I mean it’s definitely a ddos because my ISP said as such

#

probably not a targeted one but who knows

solemn pagoda
#

Remember last september when there was latency issues due to a ddos that wasn't targeting square enix

#

You're a victim of a far greater crime

snow girder
#

What is the burgerking effect?

#

and what is this far greater crime?

solemn pagoda
#

You lose a limb to a bomb meant for someone else

#

IIRC they were attacking an EA service by flooding their isp which is the same isp squeenix servers in NA use

stable basin
#

Once upon a time I worked at a grocery store that had Burger King on the other side of the street

#

But to get out of that BK towards home you had to make a left, and the amount of traffic would never let you go that way, you had to take a right and go miles out of your way

#

... Much like DDoS cross traffic.

sour solstice
#

@scenic patrol yeah if you use assize on the first aero 2 cast (normally you save it for the second) its up by the time head on comes around and that +medica 2 (I normally swiftcast the medica 2 here to avoid clipping) covers it

#

Might as well Planery since the CD will be up by Prey

scenic patrol
#

I am not looking to optimize yet

#

So I don't mind clipping

#

I just want to get that experience in firstly

#

And get comfortable with the job

#

Optimizing will come in naturally once I am used to the job cycles

sour solstice
#

I mean

#

a non swifted medica 2 clips a lot

#

since its got above gcd cast time and you will likely be using 2 ogcds

scenic patrol
#

I will swift that because I'd rather cast while moving

#

Not because of the GCD clip

sour solstice
#

fair enough

#

for movement thats also a good swift tho

#

so you can walk right after the knockback

#

Just gotta hope the pugs dont make you use it for some dumb shit

#

remorse is a hard mechanic feelschromosomeman

scenic patrol
#

Gonna swap out that protect for Surecast

#

I'd rather keep Large and Esuna

#

Can never know if I need Esuna for regular passengers

pine beacon
#

Yeah, if pugging I'll swift --> Med II, plenery then assize when in melee of the train

elder dawn
#

tbh why is there even a limit to the number of role skills you can have on at once

pine beacon
#

Since you can't count on an indom or a good CU before knockback

grizzled seal
#

you don't need esuna

#

you can heal thru it without

pine beacon
#

Whm can for sure

#

Asylum on the add, stand in that, tetra the first hit, assize the 2nd

scenic patrol
#

Regen pre debuff?

pine beacon
#

Sch I think runs either lustrate or fey unio n

#

Ogcd heals aren't affected by it

scenic patrol
#

SCH can just summon Selene

pine beacon
#

Ahhhh true

dull radish
#

get BRD to paean you before you go in~

scenic patrol
#

I'd be lucky to have ranged spot in the first place

pine beacon
#

What server is the alt on?

scenic patrol
#

Omega

#

Hence Odin/Omega in the nickname

#

!whoami

storm frostBOT
stable basin
#

I still haven't found anything where Largesse is absolutely vital yet

#

Not even O6S

#

I don't really swap role skills much.

sour solstice
#

Its never vital

#

just cozy

stable basin
#

Esuna, Lucid, Surecast, Swiftcast, and Protect unless something earth shakingly requires one of the others

lucid karma
#

Largesse helps a lot in healing heavy like O8S

steady pebble
#

ponder esuna for what

elder dawn
#

swap esuna out with largesse

stable basin
#

!whoami

storm frostBOT
stable basin
#

Huh 366, ingame says 365 owo

sour solstice
#

also no cleric

scenic patrol
#

What are you going to use Esuna on this tier?

#

There's absolutely nothing to cleanse

#

I don't even remember dungeons having cleanse mechs

lucid karma
#

Only in leveling dungeons

steady pebble
#

there's a few things you can cleanse in swallow's but nothing game breaking

scenic patrol
#

Cleansing a random dot

#

Big brain

#

The only reason I have Esuna currently is because I am too lazy to swap it out

lucid karma
#

In that swallow dungeon it's your fault of you have to cleanse debuff

#

It's avoidable

steady pebble
#

ya

sour solstice
#

Oh right

#

Morbol

scenic patrol
#

Bad breath?

steady pebble
#

mhm

scenic patrol
#

Yikes

sour solstice
#

if tank eats a bad breath the pull is going to shit anyway

scenic patrol
#

That's 7 GCDs to cleanse the whole debuff pile

sour solstice
#

if its a DPS let em suffer

lucid karma
#

First pull too

scenic patrol
#

I'd rather just pull the Morbol and burst it down

lucid karma
#

That water ball gives shock to everyone

scenic patrol
#

Since later there's the whole thing with knockbacks

sour solstice
#

who gets hit by that

lucid karma
#

When dps never bother to notice

#

It happens

sour solstice
#

Let em suffer

lucid karma
#

Well we all do

#

Is aoe

stable basin
#

Yalia, then you waste your own time too

elder dawn
#

let them die since if they ate that they are probably a liability in the first place

stable basin
#

Nose to spite your face lol

#

And chances are if they're that on your nerves you want to be done with the place sooner than later :P

elder dawn
#

can't wait to get this samurai up again so he can single target in group pull

steady pebble
#

I had a blm that got hit by it

sour solstice
#

My holy cast is likely better than the feelschromosomeman dps getting a gcd or 2 clipped by paralyze

steady pebble
#

because for some reason they aetherial manipulated to the tank

lucid karma
#

Just bring esuna in casual content

#

In raid it's case by case basis anyway when you pick cross class

steady pebble
#

pretty much how i roll

#

generally just keep esuna cos chances are someone's going to fuck up

dull radish
#

I've used AM to the tank there assuming he was just gonna keep pulling haha

#

but obviously not in a way to get hit by the bad breath

scenic patrol
#

Time wasted to get person git gud is time well spent

steady pebble
#

ya, i get that rika

#

but we had firmly stopped at the morbol

#

and the blm was lagging behind so

scenic patrol
#

Should am the Healer

sour solstice
#

Probably an AM macro

lucid karma
#

I don't trust random dps now

#

Gonna stop at morbol all the time

sour solstice
#

same

lucid karma
#

Too many single target heroes

sour solstice
#

I ended up slowpulling the last Swallow's I did as tank

steady pebble
#

it was weird, in that run

sour solstice
#

because I had 2 no song single target bards

steady pebble
#

like trash pulls were fine

#

but for some reason bosses took forever to die

lucid karma
#

Bossws have higher hp than usual

sour solstice
#

2nd boss is kinda tanky

scenic patrol
#

Swallow's last boss

sour solstice
#

first boss felt squishy

scenic patrol
#

Killing before 2nd split

lucid karma
#

First boss sometimes die way too soon

scenic patrol
steady pebble
#

hmm, i've only done swallow a few times tbh so i guess i just haven't gotten a real feel of how fast they can/should be done

#

but first boss died quite slow

lucid karma
#

Like in less than 2 minutes

sour solstice
#

I dont think I've ever had it live to second split

scenic patrol
#

I have done it with an amazing DRG

#

And healer

#

And a decent BRD once

#

Legendary run

elder dawn
#

second split? If you kill them roughly at the same time they won't get to split

sour solstice
#

Yeah

dull radish
#

yeah getting second split just kinda depends on if you're nuking one or not

sour solstice
#

First split is the forced one

lucid karma
#

13 minutes swallows compass was my best record

scenic patrol
#

Don't they cut their HP in half?

elder dawn
#

yeah people too stupid to realize nuking one down is bad idea

scenic patrol
#

Each split?

elder dawn
#

no

scenic patrol
lucid karma
#

Funny how fast dungeon can be with competent team

dull radish
#

the HP does split between the two, from what I can recall. But it's still more efficient to just leave both up and kill more evenly

lucid karma
#

Depends on everyone

dull radish
#

but to be fair I haven't run it in a while haha, and didn't do it that much

sour solstice
#

Bard on that fight is so lovely

lucid karma
#

If they're slow killing one by one is better

sour solstice
#

all the procs in the universe

lucid karma
#

Baiting boss into center all the time

dull radish
#

TC procs <3 and Foul cleaves when they're close

lucid karma
#

So he skips mechanics

scenic patrol
#

I consider myself Midcore and I am at BiS after getting some oranges

last galleon
#

progging o8s in 358 gear

#

i mean it's doable but why at this point of the tier

scenic patrol
#

Like boi

#

You are so late in the tier

#

Are you sure you're not a casual?

lucid karma
#

Soft hardcore involes a lot of handholding and consensual sex

last galleon
scenic patrol
elder dawn
#

you better be on point with that healing in i350s ilvl in godka

scenic patrol
#

I am gonna do savage at 360 ilvl I think

#

Or damn close to it

dull radish
#

usually semi-hardcore

wet stag
#

Yeah semi was my first thought

blissful solstice
#

Yeah at this point in the tier if you aren't 370 (or bis) nobody wants you

scenic patrol
#

You simply can't call yourself anything more than complete casual if you are not BiS at this point

#

And haven't gotten to F3

blissful solstice
#

F3?

scenic patrol
#

Forsaken 3

sour solstice
#

Eh

#

I wouldn't call myself a complete casual

scenic patrol
#

I exaggerated

#

But you get my point

sour solstice
#

yeah

#

its what

#

20 weeks into the tier?

#

21?

#

If you've been progging since week 1 you should've cleared

paper torrent
#

if you haven't cleared by this point since week 1 in a static, MonkaS my dude

sour solstice
#

Pugging is excusable if you have really really shit luck

scenic patrol
#

if you were in a static all this long since the tier started and haven't cleared yet

sour solstice
#

but a 21 week no clear static would just be feelschromosomeman

scenic patrol
#

ooooh boi

#

I am probably gonna look for a fresh static to start at

#

but I know I am gonna coach them hard

#

the Warrior in a static I will join will get a boot camp

#

👀

last galleon
#

i know some statics haven't cleared yet and they've been at the tier since week 1 👀

#

tbh i'm more surprised that the members stayed

true lark
#

wtf do i buy now

vital cypress
#

hi i've been in five statics since 4.2 hit

true lark
vital cypress
#

five

scenic patrol
#

UwU?

vital cypress
#

also, fancy

true lark
#

i already have only weapon i play on my main

scenic patrol
#

oh right

#

Kiri

true lark
#

cuz im in ninja PRISON

scenic patrol
#

didn't recognize you due to the avatar change

#

get DRK weapon

#

I guess

paper torrent
#

Johni just takes over for the

#

WAR

#

and plays two classes at once

#

maximum flexing

scenic patrol
#

man if any Warrior tries to make the argument of I don't play class so I don't know

#

oooh boi

#

he's gonna get schooled

vital cypress
#

multibox

#

like you're playing eve online

blissful solstice
#

Yeah I would say there are some competent players who haven't cleared o8s for whatever reason

sour solstice
#

@last galleon how many hours a week do they raid pepothink

vital cypress
#

i played a free month or something

last galleon
#

like 6-8 i think

vital cypress
#

well, part of a free month before i fell asleep

#

permanently

#

i still get e-mails from them

#

this was a few years ago

sour solstice
#

so uh

#

my bad

#

its closer to 25 weeks into the tier

vital cypress
#

also i found something more annoying than not having a WHM in O8S

#

having two ASTs in anything

sour solstice
#

25 weeks into the tier times 6 hours a week

#

150 hours for no godka kill

last galleon
#

yeah i know i won't be able to take it personally

#

but some people just like the social aspect of it i guess

#

i just want to get things done

sour solstice
#

I lean towards the social side of things a bit

#

but 150 hours for no clear is fucking pushing it

scenic patrol
#

I'll get extremely frustrated if there's no progress for that long

last galleon
#

i got pretty tilted when my static took like...3? weeks on godka when i pug cleared it in three lockouts

#

so yeah i can't imagine spending 25 weeks and not even clearing the tier

sour solstice
#

Just gonna point out

vital cypress
#

i also refuse to pug on general principle

#

🤷

sour solstice
#

that 150 hours is more time than the UwU kill

#

that was 100ish

last galleon
#

UwU kill is done by like, some of the worlds' best players though. if we talking WF.

sour solstice
#

Yeah

last galleon
#

not really a fair comparison

sour solstice
#

Still funny to think about

scenic patrol
#

Virus is the most braindead mechanic in that fight

#

for people who can coordinate

last galleon
#

it was kind of a pain when the ping issues were happening, but once they fixed it

vital cypress
#

anyways double AST is very very bad

last galleon
#

there's no excuse

vital cypress
#

and i've learned to not let that happen

sour solstice
#

@vital cypress did you get the classic tank balance overwritten by bole?

vital cypress
#

it's not even the cards!

sour solstice
vital cypress
#

AST has, like, 1.5 instant heals

sour solstice
#

were they in same sect or did they just... oh

#

they sucked

#

got it

vital cypress
#

(one of them wasn't brilliant to be fair)

dull radish
#

double AST isn't that bad

vital cypress
#

yeah they kept running out of MP by the end of O7S, even with two constant mana shifts incoming 🤷

scenic patrol
#

just let the less competent AST to be shield bitch

vital cypress
#

actually

#

i ran some of those on BRD so they'd have had Refresh too

sour solstice
#

Hmmm

#

check their lightspeed casts

vital cypress
#

to be fair one of them was a sub

#

because our WHM kind of broke their arm a few days ago

sour solstice
#

ah rip

last galleon
#

o u c h

sour solstice
#

wait

#

2 ast in a static

vital cypress
#

AST/WHM normally

sour solstice
#

even with a sub thats kinda weird

blissful solstice
#

meh, a lot of healers play multiple jobs

sour solstice
#

yeah thats why its weird

scenic patrol
#

it's healers, why not play all 3?

#

that's my goal

#

to play all 3 and get dem purples

#

on all 3

sour solstice
#

Im working on getting all 3 to 60 then im gonna level em through HoH

blissful solstice
#

i really couldn't care less about healer parses tbh

sour solstice
#

er

#

Im already maxed whm

elder dawn
#

yeah every good healer I know are good at all three

sour solstice
#

The fundamentals are really really similar

#

only difference is ast/sch have more oGCDs and whm has uh

#

uh

scenic patrol
#

one more dot

vital cypress
#

cure iii

sour solstice
#

Don't even have that

scenic patrol
sour solstice
#

SCH has 2

scenic patrol
#

3*

vital cypress
#

and SCH has 3

sour solstice
#

whats the third

scenic patrol
#

AST 1, WHM 2 and SCH 3

#

Miasma II

sour solstice
#

Oh

#

Miasma 1 and 2 are different or

scenic patrol
#

it's mainly used to weave

#

!action miasma ii

storm frostBOT
#
**Miasma II** : lvl 46 Scholar (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100 to all nearby enemies.
Additional Effect: Unaspected damage over time
Potency: 25
Duration: 12s

scenic patrol
#

also AOE damage

sour solstice
#

but does that stack with 1

scenic patrol
#

the MP cost is way too high to keep up

#

just used for weaving

#

and yes

sour solstice
#

Ah

scenic patrol
#

it stacks

sour solstice
#

I see

#

so functionally you have 2

scenic patrol
#

like finish Broil cast and swap target to Tank

#

Cast Miasma 2 and then a 0GCD heal

#

that's Scholar gameplay in a nutshell

#

Miasma 2 has the same range as Blizzard 2

#

iirc

#

centered around you

sour solstice
scenic patrol
#

instant cast

sour solstice
#

do you stand in melee range?

scenic patrol
#

yeah

sour solstice
#

Huh

#

Never seen a scholar do that

#

Maybe im just not paying enough attention though

scenic patrol
#

why wouldn't you be in melee range anyhow?

#

or at least within range to cast Miasma 2?

sour solstice
#

I guess its a free 10 dps

#

from aas

scenic patrol
#

not AAs

sour solstice
#

Im saying for everyone else

#

So no real reason to leave melee

scenic patrol
#

it's more easy to dodge mechs from melee range usually

sour solstice
#

Outside of certain fights

#

Like I dont wanna sit in melee for 5s

#

at least not when I know head on is coming

scenic patrol
#

just position yourself where Box 2 is

sour solstice
#

could get an extra stone off

#

yeah

#

I guess I should start slidecasting my way to melee range after that

#

Then again I might get prey so its better to just keep sitting at second box

scenic patrol
#

as WHM sure

#

as SCH you'll want to be within range for Miasma at some point

#

for weaving

paper torrent
#

TFW a tsyu farm party doesn't know how blades work

#

goddamn this si why i don't farm ex primals this late anymore

hybrid rapids
#

Auto Attack

near inlet
#

the Tsun special Auto?

hybrid rapids
#

WHM can hits 1xx on critical auto

near inlet
#

@paper torrent yo need me to log in to help you make 1 less shitter person

paper torrent
#

nah it's fine

#

i'm done with farming this shit

#

i'ma have to eat soon anyway

#

i'ma try adn see if i can prog o7s after

vital cypress
#

how far are you in o7

#

and, more importantly, what data center

paper torrent
#

i haven't progged to virus in a month so

#

but i have seen searing

#

Aether

vital cypress
#

what job

#

if my healer is still dead Friday I could probably slot you in somehow

paper torrent
#

WAR rn

vital cypress
#

oh

#

uh, not on that

paper torrent
#

it's okay thank Estelle 👌

vital cypress
#

i have two people that can swing healer/DPS

#

but not so much flexibility for tanks

paper torrent
#

well that was a waste of a healer

#

i mean

#

waste of a cider

#

actually kinda both tbh, tsyu healers that don't know how blade works can bite me

thorn bear
#

VIRUS PROG

#

BADS WILL BE KICKED

vital cypress
#

my talents consist of being a very average SMN/SCH and making people very, very angry

paper torrent
#

Yes

#

it's okay

#

my talent is saying i'm a WAR main

#

and being shit at it anyway

near inlet
#

lmao, you think you and wacih could help me learn o5s?

thorn bear
#

How did people get stuck before virus to begin with

#

maybe before they knew safe spots for chakra

near inlet
#

get some sort of experience before o9-12

#

s

vital cypress
#

shit i'd do a 1 chest on o5s

#

i have nothing better to do on a wednesday night

paper torrent
#

defintely

#

wacih is just coming bcak home

#

So i think he's too tired

#

but i'm willing to help

#

later

thorn bear
#

It's never too late to start raiding :))

paper torrent
#

best part

#

is that ESfar is a SAM main

vital cypress
#

how to beat the phantom train

thorn bear
#

That was me in deltascape

vital cypress
#

step 1: put this song on loop

#

step 2: do not stop looping this song

#

step 3: slot surecast or arm's length you dums

thorn bear
#

Samurai is FUN

paper torrent
#

this is my song of choice

vital cypress
#

is this league of legneds

#

legends

#

there's only one valid way to play LoL

#

besides the uninstaller

#

that, of course, is to stack zeals/phantom dancers on master yi

near inlet
#

lmao

#

but yeah I'm a SAM

#

iunno why but thanks to @paper torrent, he somehow reignited my love for the class

#

and he barely did shit

#

too

#

LOL

scenic patrol
#

he barely does anything anyhow

thorn bear
#

o5s just makes me wish I had a geared bard

#

until someone removes the front ghost

#

😠

scenic patrol
#

to die when you have no boxes?

paper torrent
#

the isreali

#

speaks the truth

#

i don't do anything

#

well besides supply him with materia

near inlet
#

^

#

this man

#

is my go to

#

cuz I actually found legit friend on fairie

thorn bear
#

I have a memory of covering my warrior and looking back

#

and seeing no ghost boxes

stable basin
#

Who ya gonna call, GHOST BOXES

thorn bear
#

I made a macro for covering 7th slot on my party list

#

because it was for some reason

#

always bard

boreal edge
#

brd can just chance it by repelling shot

#

given he is dying either way

#

good for him/her if survived

thorn bear
#

I was wondering how do bards manage aggro?

#

Do they have an aggro dump?

paper torrent
#

ye

#

tact and refresh

thorn bear
#

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#

I was so confused how bards I've played with

#

dropped aggro

scenic patrol
#

I just yelled at my Bard that I need TP of I see him ripping

thorn bear
#

t. Tank/SAM player

boreal edge
#

i always look at tp

#

i mostly always use it after melee rez

thorn bear
#

I wonder if in Chadarnook if I'd run out of TP on sam

#

if we didn't have siren

#

lol

#

my sks is too fast

boreal edge
#

you are underestimating tactician

scenic patrol
#

Go slow boye and you won't have TP issues

boreal edge
#

its 600 tp in 3 mins

thorn bear
#

I'm using full crafted though

near inlet
#

@thorn bear did you go with the memespeed?

thorn bear
#

I literally have no sks materia

boreal edge
#

its not meme speed

thorn bear
#

it's all from gear and weaponi

near inlet
#

I mean on the leggerless chart

boreal edge
#

you need 1200ish sks to make rot flow nicely

thorn bear
#

I forget how much I have

near inlet
#

the 2 sen is literally a memespeed opener

thorn bear
#

but it's enough that's it's comfy

scenic patrol
#

I have SAM geared for Crit

near inlet
#

if you have more

#

sks

thorn bear
#

shout outs to my pld and drk who ahve to deal

scenic patrol
#

Due to using Monk BiS

thorn bear
#

with crit

#

if it can be melded with crit, it gets crit

boreal edge
#

otherwise you will delay hagakure for 5 secs

#

by normal speed

thorn bear
#

I just do classy 3 sen

#

that shit sucked in o3s tho

#

I forget why though I just remember asking if I should do it and got told "yes"

near inlet
thorn bear
#

Ah it was spell blade holy I think

#

If you got marker you couldn't move for a couple seconds

boreal edge
#

not fan of slowboi rot myself

scenic patrol
#

I am already with Crit SAM BiS and I really really don't want to grind Memedacity set to swap it out

hybrid rapids
#

leggerless guide to help new SAM player

#

in-depth one refers to this

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!faq samguide

storm frostBOT
hybrid rapids
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nvm

elder dawn
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tl; dr: job swap to monk

zinc vortex
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you probably won't run out of TP on demon, i can go for about 9 minutes on a dummy without tactician

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if you didn't have the siren thing

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also fuck 2 sen memespeed opener

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use the modified 3 sen memespeed one

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which is basically the 3 sen opener except your last meikyo GCD is yukikaze instead of kasha/gekko

frosty stag
supple sail
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People really need to be told "don't die"?

prime pivot
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You'd be surprised

supple sail
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And get a bonus explanation of the logic behind it?

opal hollow
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is LB1 or 2 a raid dps gain or loss?

elder dawn
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Depends on who’s lbing and what content

frosty stag
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range and melee has different potency with their LB

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but usually no one use LB1 when you can get LB3

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tank LB3 reduce up to 80% dmg
Healer LB3 can revive everyone and put them at max HP

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you can say the same difference for DPS LB3

frosty stag
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There

sour solstice
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tank lb3 is actually 50%

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If the wiki is anything to go by

full wave
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!action last bastion

storm frostBOT
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**Last Bastion** : lvl 0 Adventurer (0 second cooldown)

Reduces damage taken by all party members by 80%.
Duration: 12s

sour solstice
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Alright thats 2 feelschromosomeman moments in less than an hour

full wave
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I think this might be wrong

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Does the tank LB really last 12 seconds?

boreal edge
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it last 7 secs iirc

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or 8

sour solstice
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Gamerescape thinks its 50%

boreal edge
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GE is heretic

heavy mist
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12 seconds is lb2

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roughly

full wave
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Where does Kupo Bot get its info from?

sour solstice
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XIVDB I think

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I wonder

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!ation Berserk

dull radish
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good ole ation

sour solstice
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fuck

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!action Berserk

storm frostBOT
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**Berserk** : lvl 6 Marauder (90 second cooldown)

Guarantees that all attacks are critical and direct hits.
Duration: 10s

sour solstice
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ok thats correct now

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it was wrong for the entirety of 4.3

vital cypress
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remember berserk macros

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Pepperidge Farms does.

unreal flax
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<se.1><se.7><se.1><se.7>
<se.1>Esuna please!<se.7>
<se.6><se.6><se.6><se.6>

prime pivot
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I see your Beserk macro <se.5>
I raise you noises of my own <se.2>

scenic patrol
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Oh God

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That shit would tilt me

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Hardcore

opal hollow
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does <mo> work on the party list

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jk

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it does

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fuck me dead

vital cypress
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Excuse me, my cleanse is called leeches. Are you a white mage supremacist?

steady pebble
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<se.1><se.7><se.1><se.7>
<se.1>Esuna/Leeches/Exalted Detriment please!<se.7>
<se.6><se.6><se.6><se.6>

scenic patrol
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And the macro counts down for when Berserk ends

stable basin
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Don't forget regarding tank LB3 that it's a buff

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Which means you get to figure out server tick fuckery if you're using it in a strategy @@_@@

sour solstice
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no you don't

stable basin
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ah does that one actually take effect as soon as it's casted? owo

sour solstice
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No

spice comet
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A12s for example is a tank lb fight