Brute Justice also had build up
#endgame-lounge
unreal flax
Yeah
dull radish
Acted kinda like an easier version of ultimates we get now
unreal flax
That's a good way of putting it
dull radish
Bunch of stuff you've seen before, sometimes with slight twists, then a bit convoluted final phase with a bunch of stuff combined
shadow pollen
scenic patrol
I think that Omega has limited them in boss design considerably
unreal flax
Hmmm. I thinking about something
Which of the bosses from Coil were in previous FF games? Only Bahamut and Twin, right? Maybe even Phoenix?
The rest were original creations for XIV, right?
Same with Alexander. With the exception of Alexander itself, everything was original creations. Cruise Chaser counts (I think) because it was only in name and appearance, not moveset.
But Omega is using actual fights from the old games. Which means most of, if not all of, the mechanics are based on mechanics from the fights in the game they were in, right? (I have to ask because I never fought any of these bosses in FFV or VI)
lyric summit
i mean, the most you can base a mechanic on an old ff game is like.. heartless angel where everyone goes to 1hp
junior basin
They're only losely based on them.
I mean, sure, kefka would cast thunder/ice/fire 3 at you.
thorn bear
hyperdrive is kinda similar isn't it?
junior basin
The animation is.
thorn bear
like it just does a lots of damage in ff6
junior basin
It's a big single target hit.
vale folio
Does anyone know if there are any end game content cross-world linkshells?
junior basin
But in ff6 so's thunder/ice/fire 3 aswell. You could single or multitarget them, them being cirles/crosses/aoes centered on you is a 14 thing.
lyric summit
people mostly keep their CWLS for statics
stable basin
I wonder if Ultimate is why we don't still get things like Brute Justice :/
lyric summit
elaborate
unreal flax
I think SE just has this overwhelming desire to make savage raiding more accessible while also retaining some of the difficulty of what it's meant to be a raider.
glossy musk
Yeah
unreal flax
So, now we have our difficulties: Dungeons/trials > NM raids > Ex Trials > Savage > Ultimate.
glossy musk
They were trying to emulate WoW
WoW took normal and heroic and made normal, heroic and Mythic to be more accessible
vital cypress
just split the game into two separate games really
normal mesa
wha
unreal flax
EH!?
No, absolutely do not listen to Estelle. Return to the difficulty of Midas at least. Difficult, but well-designed fights. Ultimate should be near impossible, not the meme version of impossible.
scenic patrol
Imagine if UwU had a more threatening DPS check
vital cypress
(not really)
vital cypress
though there's something to be said for the fact that the casual and hardcore scenes never touch each other and are mutually toxic
sour solstice
mhm
scenic patrol
define Casual and define Hardcore
vital cypress
raiders:not raiders
vital cypress
toxic isn't the right word, but what each group of people wants is completely different
sour solstice
And yeah I agree Miz
scenic patrol
yes, but then I look up and I see people like Jaren, Raffter and etc
sour solstice
true
but like
look at the amount of people that have cleared even fucking 5s
and compare that to general population estimates
sour solstice
theres a line between the people on the OF
and the people who would frequent places like this chat or the balance
sour solstice
both groups want immensely different things
scenic patrol
some Elysium members I saw on the OF
sour solstice
and both are very important for the health of the game
scenic patrol
scenic patrol
game needs a balance between casual and hardcore
normal mesa
i mean what
sour solstice
mhm
scenic patrol
Casual are the life and blood of the game
sour solstice
but currently imo its too shifted towards casual
scenic patrol
but hardcore is what draws in new subs
shit like UwU
on Twitch
that's some wonderful publicity
sour solstice
and the way to fix it from my point of view
is return savage to HW
and make current savage its own difficulty
maybe slightly toned down for the last couple of fights
normal mesa
give us hard mode back
normal mesa
normal, hard, extreme, savage, ultimate!
sour solstice
sounds good to me
normal mesa
normal is default
normal mesa
hm for hard dungeons and trials
savage for the raid-trials
keep ultimate the same as ucob n shit
paper torrent
also ultimate every tier please
normal mesa
extreme at like shinryu ish level
sour solstice
quit with the bullshit excuse
theres room for 3 ultimates
maybe hire another fight designer or 2
stable basin
Going through some of the old L50 dungeons I'm liking their design direction. Room to pull whatever you can handle and at least halfheared dps/mechanics checks on bosses
Stuff like Swallow's Compass is so... curated
sour solstice
mhm
vital cypress
make an MMO for the raiders onl-
-is crushed to death under a pile of unsold Wildstar boxes-
stable basin
Time to fight exactly this many mobs with no option for more
vital cypress
you know what's a good idea
every time you fail to clear a raid tier you have to unlock it again
normal mesa
omfg no
sour solstice
reeeeeeeeee
vital cypress
and the unlock takes hours and hours
normal mesa
wanna know what i want?
sour solstice
Crafter raids?
vital cypress
normal mesa
potd floor 150+ difficulty dungeons but also yes group crafter content would be rad
doing big crafting projects with my fc is fun and so like crafter gatherer fates with long timers sounds great
vital cypress
some MMO fairly recently had the bright idea to do that didn't they
to punish people for failing at a hardcore-level raid by making them attune to it again
normal mesa
oof no ty
sour solstice
unreal flax
We already have group crafter content. it's called going into the company workshop lol
sour solstice
Thats like saying we have group overworld content because Eureka exists
normal mesa
coordinated
unreal flax
Hey! FATEs are a thing!
sour solstice
FATEs 
unreal flax
loooool
hot plover
How do you keep enmity when you're in deliverance after a reset aggro list?
hot plover
sometimes I even switch to Defiance, 3 hit enmity combo and voke, still doesn't do enough
sour solstice
@scenic patrol this correct
scenic patrol
there's no aggro reset there
hot plover
you sure?
sour solstice
oh
hot plover
should I be in defiance for that?
hot plover
cause BLM/MNK keep ripping hate like crazy
scenic patrol
swap to Defiance if you lose all the enmity
hot plover
even using their cooldowns
unreal flax
The person who gets grabbed loses all agro. Since the OT is taking aggro, they are whatever your aggro was + 1. Then, when they get grabbed, you voke back and now you have whatever their aggro was + 1.
You have to voke and hit at about the same time
hot plover
so I should just switch to defiance, 3 enmity combo/voke
hot plover
Oh, i'll be in defiance for that then
boreal edge
@scenic patrol i once was mting byakko
got grabbed 1st
happened normally
then when i was about to get aggro be4 ot get grabbed
it grabbed me again
opal hollow
THIS HAPPENED TO ME YESTERDAY
what the fuck is that
Is it just voking before he casts the grab?
scenic patrol
provoke too early
opal hollow
I wasn't paying attention when it happened
boreal edge
grab has no cast
opal hollow
Ahh
opal hollow
LOL aight
glossy musk
@hot plover You only lose threat if you don't provoke prior to the grab. Just as the stun goes out voke and you're fine. You should really never have any reason to ever butcher's combo these days
stable basin
Leo, there's always "the rdm/sam won't use diversion" for that last one :p
split falcon
just provoke during the cast, and if you’re MT just provoke after 1 GCD after the stack
It’s super simple
vital cypress
twofold is his wrath
sour solstice
twice cursed his foes
glossy musk
I mean if you don't use diversion you just get to die
sour solstice
yep
split falcon
and then watch bards who don’t know what tactician is bitch and moan about getting aggro
sour solstice
Took me too long to realize tactician/refresh reduce aggro
never took it anyway because refresh is enough for me
light wagon
anyone know what the best video guide for o7s is?
lyric summit
mizzteq's alright
vital cypress
hi im mrhappy
welcome to my guide to cape westwind
first off, this fight consists of 7895 distinct phases
which is why this video is 27 hours long
thorn bear
the best guide for o7s is a friend who knows the fight and can tell you exactly what to do
vital cypress
also that
lyric summit
mtqcapture and mrhappy are like the only ones, pick one you like more, make sure the whole group is following one guide though so that you don't end up with people doing different strats for different mechanics @light wagon
amber scarab
Yep pick the one easiest for you and your team
lyric summit
not really, but things like vertical vs horizontal virus
thorn bear
the only strat that matters is what mechanic your pf gets stuck on
biblio?
airforce?
boreal edge
etc
boreal edge
the fight isnt hard
it just punish mistakes
almost all mistakes in handling o7s mechanics lead to wipe
thorn bear
all my clears i've seen enrage
boreal edge
ppl still see enrage?
boreal edge
still 2 months to go
thorn bear
the static I clear it with isn't world first material but they do good enough
thorn bear
ey mane I don't know what to tell you lol
vital cypress
we get carried by a...DRK?
boreal edge
mobile fflogs is retarded
lyric summit
cause you have it set to desktop view
boreal edge
had to minimize too much to show kill time
mobile view doesnt show last 2 weeks percentiles and crit dh uptime
so i set it desktop only
its stupid
blazing pelican
overall 95th percentile dps is mediocre 
lyric summit
it was week 3 issok
boreal edge
is that uwu?
lyric summit
nah o7s lmao
boreal edge
ah
lyric summit
i wish
glossy musk
holy shit that drg carried
pure yoke
Alyx is good drg
sour solstice
week three and a death
lyric summit
idk them it was a weekly pug
sour solstice
ok thats fine
glossy musk
Aw
Ember's my friend from BG days, she dates Xeno now and I'm always fucking with her
she kept screwing up in UWU and I'm like
"mnk too heavy" and she's like YOU KNOW WHAT LEO
lyric summit
me and bard were on 1% enrage so they let us in
glossy musk
and banned me and was like
omg
I'm sorry I just wanted to ban for 1s and it automatically did 10m
boreal edge
i seen o7s enrage way too much ugh
always thst guy fucking up missiles or last chakra
and we dont meet dps check
once run became flawless
we skipped ultros
in our 1st kill
pure yoke
I legit only seen o7s enrage once in my life
stone acorn
Hi hi everyone! Smn trainee here. I have been working hard and trying to push my casters as far as I can push them. my Blm seems to be steadily rising more and more even with a 355 weapon... but my Smn seems to be hitting quite a wall >.< which is sad because its the one I wanted to main as a caster! I feel like I know the rotations well enough but I dont know what I am doing wrong or what I can do batter to get past this wall I am hitting >.<
normal mesa
Gonna need a bit more info than that to know what's wrong!
scenic patrol
!faq smnguide
storm frostBOT
regal halo
First, @stone acorn might need a log and you might be wrong jn rotations
Follow the guide just posted
Or if you have videos we can point it out
scenic patrol
aye a parse is the best option to tell what you are doing wrong
but I can only do that with Warriors
lyric summit
that's a wonky link it goes to page 5
stone acorn
I just had a friend parse me a moment ago... they logged off and I am not sure they saved that
lyric summit
kupo bot people gotta fix that
stone acorn
I would have to go again and make sure to save it next time
stone acorn
Yeah dummy parse
scenic patrol
oh
stone acorn
but I cant seem to get past 5500 as my smn
regal halo
But need logs
scenic patrol
5.5K doesn't sound too bad
regal halo
Your ilvl?
scenic patrol
considering your gear
lyric summit
you can't really compare blm to smn on a dummy
stone acorn
My current ilv is 369
lyric summit
blm will win in 99% cases
regal halo
5.5 is low
stone acorn
right, but I dont know why my smn is so low
scenic patrol
Byakko or Anemos?
stone acorn
my blm has a 355 weapon my smn has the mendacity 370 weapon
stone acorn
Yeah... I dont get it
regal halo
i370 Mendacity aside it's still quite low
Therefore, don't mind me asking
- How often do you refresh DoTs?
lyric summit
do you know how to optimize bahamut wyrmwaves
or at least, keep them coming consistently
stone acorn
when he was parsing me I had to refresh maybe 2 or 3 times manually
scenic patrol
how long was the parse?
stone acorn
use ruin 2 and use oGCDs every .5 seconds right?
regal halo
Generally
stone acorn
Ummm.. not sure.. I think 3 minutes?
regal halo
You only need to refresh once throughout your entire rotation
stone acorn
Hmmm
regal halo
if 8 minutes, that means roughly 3 - 4 times of a pair.
stone acorn
might be doing something wrong there then
stone acorn
I didnt let the dots drop, and always use tri disaster for them unless its right before going into Bahumut
Then I refresh them manually at 2 seconds
Ill have to get the parse log for it and show for more info
regal halo
Yeah
regal halo
You need to ensure your Dots go up almost 100% of the time
2nd, please watch this video
And tell me the difference
If you have some memory of what you did, then you might see where you did wrong
stone acorn
...huuuh
stone acorn
do wyrmwave doesnt work during the akhmorn animation?
regal halo
Akh Morn usually will , by right cancel WW in order to unleash it
Well
A pet cannot do two actions at once, you see. So it has a priority system
pure yoke
hi iluna
regal halo
While there are some ways left and right to do different Bahamut rotation
hi Mug
but what I usually do is R2 -> Summon Bahamut -> R2 -> Fester -> Akh Morn -> R2 -> R2 -> Fester -> R2 -> Addle -> R2 -> r2 -> Fester -> Swiftcast -> akh Morn -> R3 -> r2 until Bahamut's gone
If doing it right, there will be 10 to 11 WW depending on mechanic intensity that happens throughout.
stone acorn
oooooh using swiftcast there if pretty smart
regal halo
That only assumes if your party member doesn't die
And even if they do
Forget them, Healers do their jobs.
sour solstice
regal halo
The key goal to Bahamut rotation is 2 Akh Morns, 3 Festers, 10-11 WW
scenic patrol
stone acorn
what I usually do during that part is R2 > Summon > R2 > Fester > R2 > Akh Morn > R2 > R2 > Fester > R2 > Addle > R2 > Tridisaster > R2 > Fester > R2 > Akh Morn > R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 until hes gone
regal halo
So you're using the delayed opener
Tri-D is not necessarily required but your rotation isn't wrong per se.
stone acorn
I am unsure on the differences on openers sadly
regal halo
But regardless there is always a possibility that your WW will ghost because of the short time frame given
All of them are good
the key difference is what you prefer
stone acorn
That can happen?
stone acorn
Cause I have an absurd amount of Ping bringing lag with me
regal halo
Then Nemekh's high ping Takoyaki opener might suit you
- Do you do the pet swap opener?
I assume you do.
stone acorn
Yes
regal halo
Then let's see
Since you're hitting dummy, group buffs cannot be counted in
Did you let Contagion drop before your first Deathflare?
stone acorn
Thaaaat I am unsure
regal halo
That might contribute to the drop
stone acorn
But sadly I have to get going now ;-; Thank you for the feedback everyone! <3 Il be sure to check back here later when I have a parse with me
regal halo
Generally you want to fit that Deathflare
into your contagion timing
No worries, post us videos or logs, I'll look into it.
Have fun!
scenic patrol
at the end I decided to apply to a sHC static from a decent raiding FC to do UwU progression
we'll see how it goes
scenic patrol
end of the tier funnnnn times
sour solstice
1 more person quits and LMAO wins the bet
scenic patrol
and apparently I know my supposed co tank from convos in The Balance tank channels
sour solstice
who
sour solstice
mm
scenic patrol
scenic patrol
understandable
unique wolf
sour solstice
unique wolf
sometimes u gotta know when to abandon ship
sour solstice
But I built the ship
we haven't even stared 7 yet
its not like 5/6 went horribly either
unique wolf
the quality of players ur gonna get at this point in the tier will be highly questionable
sour solstice
I have no fucking clue what the problem is
unique wolf
well
sour solstice
true
unique wolf
the main issue is that when you pick up players, they dont have the same goal in mind
so when it deviates too much from it they will either leave or put no effort to meet that goal
so you need to be very thorough on who you pick up and know exactly what they are looking for
worthy vigil
So what are he chances that Sephiroth will be the 012s boss?! One can dream I suppose 😔
lyric summit
something something omega weapon was in ff5 and ff6 but not ff7
sour solstice
I'll be a little but less uh
Casual
in my recruitment process for next tier
Still not planning on going super hardcore
but I'd like people dedicated to actually clearing the tier and focusing on self improvement and synergy
But you right
might be time to jump the ship I built
worthy vigil
I had the same issue when I recruited a static.....
scenic patrol
My static had issues
rugged crag
it's like willingly eating shit and then complain about it
regal halo
(Meaning Early prog)
worthy vigil
I was new to Savage raiding but apparently not as new as I thought because the people I recruited that claimed to have Alex Savage expierence and some even said Savage Coil expierence we’re getting out parsed consistently by the newer membwrs
regal halo
Then set a goal.
sour solstice
I'll try that
worthy vigil
Long behold, I found myself in an arguement with them where they were so sure that SCH wasn’t raid meta and that we had no need for one.....
sour solstice
worthy vigil
They opted AST/WHM as the healing meta combo.....
scenic patrol
Oh lawd
worthy vigil
I invited a irl life friend to the Discord we created just so he could get a laugh at all the nonsense they were spewing
These guys literally had no idea what they were talking about and swore they were raid gods
unique wolf
thats like someone saying on a resume they have C++ experience but the only thing they know how to do is hello world
unique wolf
^
lyric summit
it's difficult getting out of the (casual static -> you're better -> static holds you down -> can't clear -> can't get parses -> can't get a better static -> get another casual static -> they still hold you down) loop
unique wolf
even if your static is shit i dont see how you can't get purple parses
lyric summit
tru
scenic patrol
Aye
lyric summit
unless you don't clear
sour solstice
Im a blue shitter
lyric summit
at all
worthy vigil
Yeah I know. I was on PS4 and I hadn’t polished my own logs at the time so I felt like I couldn’t ask for logs as some of mine were shit
sour solstice
but this is also my first tier
unique wolf
and if u have full purple parses, you can definitely get into a better group
scenic patrol
Purples are achievable
sour solstice
So I dont feel too bad about it
scenic patrol
I think I can qualify to decent statics now
worthy vigil
Got on PC this past Saturday actually, and I’ll be fixing the shit out of my logs lol
scenic patrol
After beating the tier and getting my parses
Which is why I applied to one of the raid teams from Ensemble
worthy vigil
Started with Susano and got 94 percentile the second clear lol. It sucked being in the dark about my DPS for a year + aside from whatever pug groups uploaded me
sour solstice
!whologs @worthy vigil
storm frostBOT
sour solstice
worthy vigil
I’m on Gilgamesh as of this morning. Not sure if that matters
scenic patrol
Oh your logs will go to shit
thorn bear
mfw finally got green parse on chadarnook 💪
scenic patrol
Logs don't tend to get carried over after a transfer
thorn bear
sour solstice
Ragnar Talon NA-GIlgamesh
worthy vigil
Yeah my terrible 05s and 06s logs. I’m embarrassed lol
thorn bear
guardian is too galaxy brain
scenic patrol
!whologs @scenic patrol
storm frostBOT
scenic patrol
Overall it's 93.4
worthy vigil
It was the first savage raid tier I started grinding ever in this game so I’ll take the progress
thorn bear
I haven't done guardian enough with pugs i'm too spoiled by the static I clear it with
scenic patrol
Wut
sour solstice
!whologs @sour solstice
storm frostBOT
sour solstice
maybe the API changes helped
valid gate
hexed meteor
grats
scenic patrol
Grats
lyric summit
nice
thorn bear
eyyyy
worthy vigil
What sucks for me is that I spent a month with a static that never even cleared 05s and I had cleared 05s and 06s since week 1 and 2 when I started with them
scenic patrol
Now time to do UwU
thorn bear
https://puu.sh/AQ0oU/f335da5b83.png my best parse in deltascape
solely because I had 340 weapon
sour solstice
Static not clearing 6s
worthy vigil
Week in and week out, 2 hours progging and no clear. I think one of the guys was drunk all the time
thorn bear
alte roite what a well designed fight
worthy vigil
They couldn’t clear 05s....
sour solstice
and we are shitters
worthy vigil
After almost 5 weeks of trying 2 nights a week for 2 hours
worthy vigil
I mean 05s and 06s are not hard at all in my humble opinion.
hybrid rapids
@valid gate grats to kill it before reset
worthy vigil
I could understand for 07s and 08s but 05s is technically the first savage content I ever cleared in this game while relevant and I did it in less than 10 attempts. I’m sure the group I pugged with were all stars though
scenic patrol
My first savage content was Alte snooze
pure yoke
mines was A9S
lyric summit
same
pure yoke
A9S was easier than O1S
worthy vigil
I cleared that after the loot lockout was removed. I still haven’t done 02-04s yet
lyric summit
week 2 
thorn bear
i could've prob finished deltascape if I wasn't casual as FUG back then
thorn bear
i like just hit level 70 a week before savage got released
worthy vigil
I was heavy into crafting for a while and never even thought of raiding. Now its the opposite
scenic patrol
I'd rather raid than craft
worthy vigil
Started playing mid HW I think. January of 2016 it was
unique wolf
so many babbies...
thorn bear
I wish I could've played back in HW, or at least a higher level...
worthy vigil
A buddy of mine was an omnicrafter making 7-15 mil for one piece of HQ Ironworks gear. He showed me how to craft and I got sucked in for a while
unique wolf
worthy vigil
But I definitely enjoy the raiding side of it more
regal halo
Mug
pure yoke
worthy vigil
They are both games within the game that are awesome
hexed meteor
lmao world prog
pure yoke
hi
unique wolf
making money in this game is almost useless
regal halo
@pure yoke Going to.....do UCoB soon. Wish me luck.
scenic patrol
So is raiding
worthy vigil
I mean it bought me a mansion
scenic patrol
pure yoke
I want to like
thorn bear
u could be in the illuminati on your server
pure yoke
get full penta week 1 of next tier
regal halo
sigh...again
thorn bear
the big cheeses with max gil stacks
hexed meteor
I been saving materia like crazy for next gear
uncut charm
Quiant dress sold for 20m on week 1
unique wolf
💸
uncut charm
ObamaSweat
unique wolf
i got the dress day 1
pure yoke
like 4.2
hybrid rapids
for free?
pure yoke
my raid fc is kinda dead
unique wolf
yes
lyric summit
why not just join some hc raid fc that provides that for free only to claim the WF for their fc brand or whatever
hybrid rapids
tiff got sugar daddy?
unique wolf
only a retard would've bought it for 50m
uncut charm
dude
hexed meteor
kek
unique wolf
i dont think a single one sold until it was like less than 10m
hexed meteor
but maps are super cheap
uncut charm
we have retards here who bought the Ornate crafting chest for 50m
NoKapp
another for 45m
hexed meteor
or just stack them and send them to the mail of your friends
and friends send you maps
unique wolf
i'm in a server where people aren't retarded so nothing extremely overpriced will sell
hybrid rapids
i heard EU market is worst
especially shiva
too many bots
flooded the market
gils become value-less
things selling for mils to mils
unique wolf
storm frostBOT
unique wolf
i am cute everyday
storm frostBOT
unique wolf
sour solstice
not potato
hybrid rapids
hmm....that's rather sexy and bold
scenic patrol
!lodestone Omega Johni Bravo
storm frostBOT
hybrid rapids
highlander better
midlander looks better in white
but that's subjective of course
hybrid rapids
ye, i meant their skin
highlander is strong and bold with darker skin
midlander is soft and gentle with white skin
hybrid rapids
👀
scenic patrol
Also Middi has lighter skin tone
scenic patrol
Compared to my Highlander
thorn bear
I miss good old days of alte roite when you every dps could die for like 30 seconds adn you could still kill him before enrage
now I gotta rely on pugs in phantom train 👀
hybrid rapids
good old days is HW time
but PF was suck then
i was pugging goardias and midas and couldn't kill it
got recruited to a static on creator and killed it week 3
was so happy
anyway alte roite was really an easy one
most group had it killed first few pull
it's more like "an entry" to savage
in HW, most group can't kill faust
until overgeared
pine beacon
Faust was big mood
pine beacon
I think A3S was the point that held people back, as far as gear goes.
Most groups didn't get past it, until Thordan was available.
wheat garnet
Is it an impression or is healing on O7s much harder and key than before ?
I'm starting to run practices on it and the difference seems so huge
Between groups
The first one, getting the bleed essentially meant death
And in the other I felt.... Safe
pine beacon
It's variable. A lot of it has to do with comp (BRD using Troubador? Addle being used for Diffractives?) and good cooldowns from tanks.
wheat garnet
Well the PLD sure helped with cover whenever possible
pine beacon
Ye. Cover for preys is nice
wheat garnet
I'm just surprised how much of a difference there was
It felt like it wasn't even the same boss
I mean, sure we died a bunch later on
Especially on virus
hybrid rapids
wheat garnet
I wasn't healing on that
That's actually one of the reasons I was asking
Because I may get into healing for Savage too if it is so random
At least if I heal and fail it's my fault and I have ways to improve rather than just pray to get a better one in the next PF
lyric summit
it's not random, if no one's standing in the fire then you can plan out a healing "rotation" just as much as you can plan out tank cooldowns or raid buffs
if there's good group communication, reliable mitigation, all that
wheat garnet
No I meant random for the quality of healers and their ability to do their job
For O7s
lyric summit
oh, in PF yeah it's pretty random
3rd and 4th floor usually require more healing than the first two
almagest gave me ptsd
but if you get a static, it's way easier if you talk with your co-heal about who's doing what when
wheat garnet
It would surely help a great deal
But I play on Chaos while living in NA
So it's tough timezones wise
heavy mist
Rip
lyric summit
there's a few weird chaos times statics like on crc and stuff, late night, mid-day, you can always try to form one if you can't find one
lyric summit
garbage general, good for recruitment 🤷
regal halo
Blast to the past
the only argument you'll have here is "But they cleared in JP server before!"
the rest? Enjoy the argument
heavy mist
Well didn't they also have higher I level gear too
I remember reading something
Or maybe it was korea
regal halo
by how many?
heavy mist
Like 2 weeks
regal halo
5? 10 ilvls?
heavy mist
So not much
But something
Small factor
But just saying
Not taking away anything from the accomplishment
lyric summit
sooo 4 days for a min ilvl re-clear? somehow doesn't sound super impressive
heavy mist
Idk I was just reading the reddit post about it before
No knowledge of anything for me at the time
stable basin
Heh, the ironic thing is if I'd stayed on Chaos while living in NA in my case it would have actually made raiding easier
I wouldn't give up my Aether/Siren friends for the world though
glossy musk
The main thing for that Chinese group is that they knew all the mechanics before having to do it. That's a huuuuuuuuuuuge leg up
Most of the time during progression 75% of the work is learning how to handle shit at minimum ilvl, 25% perfecting it. Note that's most, there were some that were very challenging even knowing what to do
wheat garnet
What is this CRC you talk about by the way ?
scenic patrol
Chaos Raiding Central
boreal edge
@heavy mist savage unlocked 4 weeks after normal unlocked in china
so they were almost i190
compared to us we started at i180
heavy mist
oh
wheat garnet
Thank you Johni
boreal edge
so they were almost 10 ilvls ahead for us
add to it
the knowledge they gained from playing HW in jp servers
opal hollow
can you put byakko's tiger next to byakko for aoe damage
like have him east of byakko, facing east and having everybody west of him
lyric summit
if the OT can make it to the south of the arena when he casts the donut, sure
opal hollow
oh yeah why does it matter that he's south of the arena?
lyric summit
cause he does the triangle impact marker on the OT
like the fires(?) in exdeath or ga-11 in a11
hybrid rapids
The tiger do cleave, you just have to put him aside of byakko and it's fine
then it will jump to south shortly
and cast G-11 on OT
so OT have to sprint to south
to not kill the whole party
instead of pulling it to south at the first place
but 2nd tiger you can do tank LB3 cheese
not sure if it's even possible to have LB3 now
considering ilvl is higher than before
lyric summit
but still the only job I can see profiting from 2 target aoe is like, blm with foul or the flare rotation or smn, but you can just multidot on smn
hybrid rapids
now i'm ilvl 370....
lusty oak
i guess u can cheese LB3 with wind phase
hybrid rapids
basically you don't want your party to be good to have lb3
lusty oak
will give nice boost to LB gauge
hybrid rapids
skip 2nd tiger or disband
hybrid rapids
it's based on distant damage
OT take the full
then damage varies on the distant to him
closer = more damage
opal hollow
interesting
lusty oak
dunno if OT press any cd now
hybrid rapids
OT can survive without CDs
but must have like at least 80~90% HP
tiger auto attack cleave is kinda painful
so eh
hexed meteor
hybrid rapids
zinc vortex
junior basin
No its the OT with his red orb of melee dps murder
native hound
for HoH you have to stun the doors for trembling epigraph or everyone dies
stable basin
OTing Byakko in a nutshell: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/e5/a7/4ee5a7cd61474b0ead1a4cbe89c8bfc5.jpg
aaaaanyway
HoH SCH book or Moon Bun one?
(I was told hoh weapons are 365 also?)
high ether
oh yes I remember back when my FC did Byakko EX and I was OT
that damn cat hits like a bloody truck
even in Grit
I had to shriek for heals a few times
sour solstice
Empyrean Codex MND 339 VIT 332 Pie 305 Spd 213
this is the HoH one
so uh
probably Tsuku
steady pebble
tsuku is pie/crit so
dull radish
yeahh
spring dock
why they gotta do us like this
stable basin
just don't meld piety lol
stable basin
hells no
i'm crit/det/a touch of ss on left side (because one piece wouldn't take either crit or det vi fully, and then i needed to find a second ss meld to meet breakpoint), vit right side
sullen sable
Good to see they keep giving sch weapons without crit 👌
stable basin
Hey, they do that to Bards too LOL
stable basin
I guess they had to hand bards a bone after "oh hey, here's your byakko bow with no crit and here's o5s where unlike every other dps except for those gun guys nobody plays, you alone have your life in the hands of your teammates!"
sullen sable
You make some strange assumptions when you say things
Makes it really obnoxious to tackle your statements
steady pebble
I'm not entirely sure why anyone would expect them to always put "main" secondary on the weapons
like i know there's not that much variety in secondary choice in the game
but not every item is going to have the secondaries a class wants all the time
also what is this 'throwing' brd bone nonsense? there's 3 options for brd at end game now with the HoH bow
sullen sable
Wait what's the ilvl on HoH bow? 365?
steady pebble
yah
sullen sable
oic
dull radish
BRD bows are pretty nice at the top end right now
diamond bow is crit/det, tome is dh/crit, tsuku is sks/crit, hoh is crit/det
steady pebble
only one i'd go a bet 'eh' at it tsuku but even so
like...dunno what nadine is on tbh
dull radish
I'd take sks on a poverty bow that still has crit anyways
steady pebble
true, true
spring dock
in guardian when biblio comes up assuming I don't have any ogcds to use
do I just shield lob for uptime?
thorn bear
fast biblio or first one?
cause i usually just pop sprint
and get a fast blade/whatever in on guardian
stable basin
I think people got salty because neither the Byakko nor the Anemos bow has any crit
steady pebble
??
You're the one who made the dumb comment that they had to throw bards a bone after byakko
sour solstice
Weapon is the one of the few slots bard is happy with
vital cypress
hello not to interrupt an argument but I have a real quick question
before I forget about it
last galleon
what is it dear child
vital cypress
assuming you have a 2 melee/2 ranged comp, do the lava puddles during second forsaken automatically target the ranged
or do they just target whoever’s farthest out
lusty oak
gotta stand away from everybody
stable basin
Yeah, do any mechanics have any more specific "classism" in terms of specifically targeting job types than simply "healer" "tank" or "dps"?
lyric summit
or just not in the hitbox, and melees inside the boss
there's mechanics that target second in aggro, usually designed for OTs which don't always stay second in aggro
but that's about it
stable basin
yeah, role mechanics are common
but pretty sure there aren't any that specifically look for a melee, ranged, or caster to kill
vital cypress
I thought searing would always target ranged peeps regardless of distance
(assuming 2/2)
pine beacon
No
lusty oak
nope
pine beacon
It's distance based
unreal flax
Aether Rot is distance based as well.
vital cypress
but I always backed off for it anyways because I learned it in a triple-ranged static so 🤷
lyric summit
maaaybe a7 normal jails? you have to pass the prey in savage iirc but in normal mode it usually matches the role? no idea honestly
lusty oak
only thing that really checks roles are debuffs on mechanics like timestop/inception
so DPS will not get tank nuke
steady pebble
a7n was based on role ya
unreal flax
I wonder, is the TsukEx spear a DPS increase over the i370 one?
lyric summit
do they have the same WD?
unreal flax
Nah, -1.
unreal flax
stable basin
Yeah, it takes an absurd amount of other stats to compensate for one point of WD
dull radish
at least the diamond one is lovely
unreal flax
Yeee
I think I might get the TsukEx weapon just to learn the timings since I will get the Diamond spear.
ornate blade
vital cypress
are there any exceptions to that rule this tier?
the only thing I can think of that might come close is the byakko codex versus the un-upgraded mendacity one
pine beacon
Anemos Axe vs unupgraded Mendacity Axe
last galleon
I also heard dragoon anemos wep is better than their unupgraded mendacity
I think in general anemos with excellent substats might pull ahead of 360 if the 360 has absolute garbage substats, not sure how many weapons that is
dull radish
there's a lot of bias that goes along with that though, since a lot of people place a zero or even negative value on speed for a lot of jobs, when that's simply incorrect
there are certainly cases where it's close, and some where it may be very marginally better, but usually it's not much a difference, at the best case
unreal flax
Right. SkS works fine for DRG, it just makes us really uncomfortable.
dull radish
MCH is probably the one job where speed is about as close to an actually bad stat as you can be, but you still do gain ever so slightly on it, it can just feel awful
solemn pagoda
Too much SKS introduces more clipping?
dull radish
yeah it's a clipping issue, having a good bit of excess can occasionally lead to some misalignment issues
some of which can be accommodated for, but it's not always the easiest or best feeling thing to do
half pivot
my static monk argues about 370 fist (crit/DH) vs diamond 375 (det/ss)
hot plover
when is catch up patch for savage/tomes?
dull radish
well we're currently in catch-up phase, but if you mean savage unlock it's probably 4.38 or whatever. Mendacity unlock won't be until next tier, 4.4
also, MNK tome weapons are dang solid, was pretty good consideration compared to diamond weapons initially, but after the buff to weapon damage on the 375, it's pretty much a consensus for diamond
scenic patrol
!charlogs omega johni bravo
storm frostBOT
scenic patrol
god I am trash
sour solstice
Oof
scenic patrol
mint badger
Anyone have the DRK HoH stats they could share?
last galleon
needs more stone 4
mint badger
Yeah, and we tanks force you to compensate by REFUSING to move during prey
sour solstice
@mint badger search for messages from me in the #general-discussion channel
scenic patrol
prey is not a tank mech
sour solstice
I posted the stats earlier
