#endgame-lounge
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vital cypress
make the SMN do the raising
steep iris
I don't have protect
cleric, large, swiftcast, surecast, lucid
I suppose cleric is prob less dps than if i stood still for a couple of gcds
but i dont run out of mp as often anymore
wet stag
10:20
steep iris
mp without a bard, 2 casters manashift+self ewer
wet stag
sour solstice
steep iris
mp with a bard, my 2nd clear
mp with a bard, 2nd best parse
mp with bard, best parse, ran out of mp cause i rezzed somebody
indigo kraken
What should I do at endgame, completed all of the current main scenario for something to do in FFXIV? I already lvl'd the DPS and tank classes i want to use for now, I did o5s and o6s
doing weekly raids feels too much like a chore without a static
lyric summit
get a static then, prog o7s it's the best fight of the tier
lyric summit
new eureka and 60+ deep dungeon are coming out in like a month, nothing wring with unsubbing until then or even until 4.4 when new omega/dungeons/msq/tome gear comes out
unreal lance
desert ore
steady pebble
I don't think ifrit has a shield
sour solstice
Oh right
steady pebble
the dead hive (ravana crafted) is kind of firey looking?
But you're kind of SoL for shields that have actual flames around them like the anima weapon
opal plank
is there any resource i can look at for the state of top dps atm
lyric summit
opal plank
ty lads
lyric summit
but that doesn't really tell you much
people hate/meme on samurais, ninja is considered a neccesary job in every static, dragoons and bards are a very good combo to have too
opal plank
well i did prefer some sort of pros and cons type of thing, but this fflogs reminds me of the wow logs and im assuming they're the same source
lyric summit
basically if you look at that graph, lower dps = more party utility
sour solstice
We got quite a few experts mixed in with the random jackasses
lyric summit
do you have any specific jobs you're looking to compare or trying to pick a starting class or what
opal plank
I didnt want to bother people with specifics. I was hoping there was a written material so i could study before asking something specific. Im a bit of a dps whore to frank, so I look at top dps when deciding a new class but i look at pros and cons of most of the top classes and then usually accept that devs wont buff the bottom classes to the top
sour solstice
The current highest personal dps class depends on the fight
but it tends to be Black Mage
lyric summit
SMN is a good choice (but i'm biased), the most mobile caster, big af dps, can res in emergencies too, not a meme like samurai and doesn't require studying every fight for hours to know where you can stand for the longest like on BLM
dull radish
I really do wish that latter statement wasn't as propagated as much anymore
fight knowledge helps of course but it's not a huge issue
frosty stag
until you want to kill something fast as a SMN
opal hollow
Lul feels
vital cypress
I have no idea how my BLM hits like 6800 DPS
in a party with shit-all for raid buffs unless the ASTs feeding them every enhanced whatever
which is possible since I’m violating Rule #1 (and 2 and 3)
steep iris
!whologs @vital cypress
storm frostBOT
steep iris
👀
vital cypress
don’t doxx me please
unreal flax
lol
steep iris
hacker voice i'm in
unreal flax
Huh. I did remember how to spell your chars last name. Clearly I love you.
vital cypress
I’m not actually good at this game
solemn pagoda
You're better than me
vital cypress
also it’s a generic in-game last name, so it’s probably not that rare
blazing pelican
Jobs heavy on the personal DPS section are Monk, Samurai, Summoner, and Black Mage. These are all jobs with high skill ceilings, but don't support the party as much as other jobs. Most serious groups avoid Samurai, as its personal DPS doesn't outweigh the loss of support from the other 3 melee. Black Mage is kinda in the same hole, but caster role actions are pretty good.
sour solstice
SAM comment only applies if you are going super hardcore tho
vital cypress
what if you have DRK/PLD :x
normal mesa
...well if you mean 80 hours a week hardcore i'm sure they wouldn't take a sam probs lol
but you know what i mean
paper torrent
Drk PLD is better than WAR DRK
sour solstice
then you say fuck you to the SAM and run a NIN
vital cypress
(though I think we’ll go DRK/WA- oh)
paper torrent
at least imo
opal hollow
Can confirm war drk sucks ass
sour solstice
WAR DRK:
normal mesa
war drk is ehhhhhhhh
sour solstice
Also known as get fucked by knockback
vital cypress
holmgang
normal mesa
man it SUCKS to lose cover for no rason
paper torrent
Cover is super good, DV is the best aoe mitigation that only requires some planning
normal mesa
*reason
blazing pelican
If a fight is mostly busters, PLD DRK is a good pair
On demand personal mitigation is no joke
thorn bear
Yes
Me as warrior when i have no mitigation up for a tank buster
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
paper torrent
Also PLD HG is fucking sick
It cheeses so much crap
Without any further input
O6S wind, Hyperdrive, basically any buster if you want
blazing pelican
Thrill of Battle isn't even used as a CD anymore. It's just "every 2 minutes, make your upheaval bigger"
paper torrent
HG headon
sour solstice
:^)
lucid karma
This make upheaval becomes big upheaval
steep iris
isn't the memeheaval opener actually worth (if you don't have nin)
lucid karma
You mean max aggro opener?
thorn bear
[spoiler]I use ToB as a CD[/spoiler]
hexed meteor
/s
paper torrent
I believe it's used for after heartless to restablish aggro in godka
But don't quote me on that
thorn bear
doesn't Thrill of Battle not give aggro?
steep iris
toma>infuriate>eye combo>thrill+IR>IB>memeheaval+deliverance>FCx4+onslaught
lucid karma
It doesn't
paper torrent
It does
thorn bear
I've asked the balance and they told me it didn't so what's up
before I asked anyway lol
paper torrent
Equi does as well
thorn bear
I know equilibrium does
lucid karma
Easiest way to test is provoke mob on field, let chocobo kick it for a bit then use thrill
See if there's any change to aggro
lucid karma
That's another story
lucid karma
Not everyone use PC
paper torrent
A THIRD PARTY STORY
thorn bear
ya'll mind if I
paper torrent
hexed meteor
ps4 limitations
blazing pelican
I play SCH on controller. Get on my level.
vital cypress
normal mesa
yeah some people, just is better on their hands or shit like that
elder lark
yeah, I can play 12 hours on a controller and only have my shitty wrecked hands go half numb... can't use a mouse for even half that long without stabbing pain
I spend 8hr on a computer at work and it's torture but I can't afford carpal tunnel surgery so
normal mesa
i have nerve issues in ADDITON to carpal tunnel lol
elder lark
fun times
scenic patrol
I saw someone discuss Memeheaval
👀
Anyhow, it's worth for couple reasons, 1st is line up, using Memeheaval can make things line up better
Second is if mechanics can screw Upheaval damage
Like Heartless
Third is that the IB can line up with busters
Which happens in UwU and O6S
@steep iris
glossy musk
Yes thrill causes threat, that's why you use thrill/equip in your opener
equil*
Thrill also because upheaval damage
thorn bear
I play on pad because it's just what I started with 👀
scenic patrol
Thirll is a CD, it does as much aggro as Rampart
elder lark
I feel like I would enjoy healing more with KB/M because I panic when I have to up/down too many times but hey
vital cypress
I joined to mock the game back in beta
and used gamepad because it was going to be bad, then dead
welp
steep iris
o
scenic patrol
lament dawn
Mrhappy just beat ultimate
sour solstice
Nice
blazing pelican
Could he sell me gil too? I have 2 buttons and a ball of yarn, that's good for 500 million right?
hybrid rapids
A clear is a clear
Don’t have to be salty
😏
Ultimate isn’t savage
There’re a lot of phase
Most important is your performance on final phase
No shit given on how much you padded earlier
And it’s fine to play safe
Shitty landslides always got you when you tried to max melee it
sour solstice
im so confused
hybrid rapids
Telling from melee perspective
pure yoke
@hybrid rapids I know a clear is a clear
but is it possible to have a dps player be so bad
they are causing enrages
x.x
pure yoke
I mean at the end of titan
if ONE person dies
we don't meet the dps check
because the RDM is doing such low dps
hybrid rapids
That’s sounds terrible
pure yoke
it's not RDM fault
Howard Moon on his clear was doing dps comparable to DRG
on his RDM
hybrid rapids
My group can kill it with 2 damage dealer down but mostly because we have optimized it
pure yoke
we had time
he is consistently low even though we made it to ultima
a few times
the mch and mnk improved in dps
the rdm just flatlined
hybrid rapids
In ultima ranger and caster have to be good
hybrid rapids
Mug, you can choose phase
pure yoke
no deaths
sour solstice
holy shit I didnt even notice that
hybrid rapids
4th is even worse, something wrong on his core
97% uptime but lowest
Maybe only dot
sour solstice
what kinda fucking mental gymnastics
oh
ok
when you have 200 more dps than the fucking tank
which ones the mnk
hexed meteor
mnk hurts a lot if you die
sour solstice
yeah
dull radish
that sounds a bit much
dull radish
good ole caner
sour solstice
triple combo
dull radish
you don't drop to 4k from 7k off of a death
thorn bear
that's just monk life isn't it
dull radish
you can keep above that with a death
thorn bear
u die and u just drop dps like a cheese wheel down a hill
hexed meteor
k
dull radish
I wanna prog <3 group still having scheduling issues and not able to run very much
dull radish
I'm being stubborn and playign BLM still haha
would offer RDM more but only ahve genji rapier, which doesn't quite cut it
but for garuda/ifrit, doesn't change much
normal mesa
go rika -waves pompoms-
dull radish
wipes haven't been due to me and raises wouldn't have helped recover yet
normal mesa
no sarcasm i wish you the best of best luck
steady pebble
joins in on the pompom waving
dull radish
is real fun on BLM so far <3
normal mesa
i love seeing amazing blms
i am so damn slow to level but one day I'll have it to 70....one day...
normal mesa
sam first tho. cuz i greeded on the stupid katana so it wouldnt hit the floor so I just
HAVE
a fucking diamond katana
hybrid rapids
blm is good for garuda and ifrit i can tell
normal mesa
all my primal fights are droppin katana...its a sign
hybrid rapids
since there isn't a lot movement except nail if baiting as blm
dull radish
ultima might be not great for BLM
titan is a bit eh because some downtime here or there
and unless it's short downtime, it can hhurt BLM more
is especially why it was so bad in ucob, with the trios
not much you could do other than slowly get back into it, then get cut off again
seems a bit better in uwu, but yeah haha
stable basin
yeah I greed on everything in savage, I have NIN gear I can't use yet for another ten levels
though yeah, do you really want stuff to hit the floor
(also it would be so nice if real life floors were like that. xD)
hybrid rapids
really like both ultimate
uwu is like 頼む!頼む!頼む! when going to enrage
since you get locked and can only pray on others
ucob is like heart beating x 10 no matter how many times you cleared
it always making your heart beats very fast
unique wolf
all first clears are like that
pure yoke
hi tiff
fringe ravine
Can anyone confirm is player-sent mail is saved and transferred along with character upon server change?
On the official website it just says mogmail
fading shoal
fresh-baked mentor here, just wanted to ask, is there some sort of abridged guide/cheat-sheet of all of the old extreme trials available in the game for mentors to gloss over in case it's one you have trouble remembering?
stable basin
Yeah mail is one of the methods people use to override the last listed restriction
That and clear demimateria, there is a reason people buy those on MB even though they're useless lol
@fading shoal don't worry, you'll never unlock mentor roulette on aether anyways LOL
... because that last damn guildhest never pops :/
I think I spent about a half hour in queue twice trying to get that one done for mentor roulette unlock and it never popped lol
fading shoal
i already did and i'm on Chaos .-.
stable basin
I swear synced EX primals might pop faster
fading shoal
and that is everything BUT the trials @solemn pagoda
solemn pagoda
Fairly sure that site has a trials sub section
fading shoal
nnope the 8 player section only shows raid stuff like coils and alexander etc
i was looking more for something that briefly explains the mechanics of each of the ex trials
since i still fairly frequently run into ex trials on mentor roulette still
the 43 times i went into mentor roulette anyway :S
stable basin
ex trials in a random DF pug
I believe you're looking for the active help page on "KO" there
xD
ex trial mechs guides are out there but I'm not sure if there's a good one that concentrates them
worse, looks like Death and Taxes' old site was made inactive by Enjin which means we've probably lost a bunch of guides now 😦
solemn pagoda
Oof
stable basin
yeah I was gonna say they have Thordan and Nidhogg and I think Zurvan but then I looked again and "site inactive" comes up on their page now
fading shoal
stable basin
I should get ready for moon bun, friends and I are starting in about an hour and a half
solemn pagoda
Good luck with moon bun
foggy cape
I have a question. Is DRG actually good right now? I think they're fine but I doesn't see them very often. If this is not the place to ask this I'm sorry
dull radish
DRG is in a very good place right now
glossy musk
DRG is meta. Good damage, good buffs, absolutely necessary for your BRD/MCH to not quit
foggy cape
Thanks
solemn pagoda
5% pierce debuff is big
foggy cape
I'm just a WAR main, I'm a simple man
lyric summit
like a second or two after you see the tether on you
dull radish
I use it right after the AoEs show up after you get tether yeah
well surecast, but same thing
stable basin
Also could be that DRG is a highly desired job in statics so a lot of them are already recruited and don't go to PF much
Because I'mma put it this way, I know a few people who do think differently but ... yeah, for the most part PF is something you resort to because you have to, not because you want to. LOL
vital cypress
i mean, BRD+DRG can basically get into a static by being conscious
solemn pagoda
I wanted to DRG but my static told me they needed a BRD
Then they saw my BRD dps and said, "Yeah you're benched."
thorn bear
Holy shit this warrior I'm plying with
his cooldowns are so weird
I told him "Use Shake it off + Raw int for loj"
"I don't have it up for first light of judgement"
"I shake it off the ultima"
I'm so confused he's using so much mitigation
before the first graven
because apparently all the healers he had sucked
popping vengeance in the opener
stable basin
Yeah I wonder how strongly tank playstyle can be long term affected by repeatedly getting subpar pug healers
It's probably affected mine too, because I tend to be very reluctant to adopt the higher DPS but higher vulnerability tanking approach
vital cypress
i need to analyze my SMN logs to see if I can coax more damage out of it
our BLM is making me look bad
in spite of still having an i360 weapon
solemn pagoda
Wish I had i360 stuff
thorn bear
I used to be uber defensive tank back in deltascape
cause it was my first time raiding
mint temple
Am going to meld my gear with materia properly for the first time and wanted to ask if its fine to follow this template
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/16OK0
boreal edge
@thorn bear ppl shake it off ultima?
thorn bear
The tank I had earlier did
boreal edge
regen is more than enough from release til ultima
medica 2
also kefaust loj isnt that scary
godka loj is more dmg
boreal edge
but yeah i get it
ultima doesnt deserve mitigation
unless u seen soft enrage at godka
thorn bear
just had real weird timing for his cooldowns but he was new so it's alright
his gear was even worse than mine
steep iris
kefka be like
use ultima so many times
Lahabrea be like
makes it sound really epic n shit
UNLEASH ULTIMA
boreal edge
@stable basin call it uptick
steep iris
👌
boreal edge
gz
blazing pelican
Ifrit and Titan's entrances are designed to kill you
glossy musk
That's cool timing on the fire's being spawned
Ifrit's entrance is fun cause it's like, run to the safe spot but the right safe spot
pure yoke
Hi
boreal edge
hi
barren grove
hi
pure yoke
how far is uwu
sour solstice
hi
blissful solstice
hi
hot plover
Yo, stupid question but as a ranged DPS for 3rd Forsaken on O8S, if you get confusion, which marker do you go to? The one assigned from box strat in clown or?
thorn bear
u go to the one assigned for box lol
diagonally
doesn't matter
if you are ranged or melee
go to your spot
split falcon
Some people do it differently(lots of PuGs like cardinal directions) just ask the group you’re in what they’re doing
scenic patrol
Intercardinal are so comfy there
blazing pelican
UWU GUIDE
http://clees.me/guides/uwu/
steep iris
Cardinals are easier tbh
intercardinals more annoying
cause one of the healers has to run far to SE
so much easier if you stick to N/E/S/W
same thing for one of the tanks too
hybrid rapids
daring jolt
Who needs a guide for that ? EASY AF. Just kidding.
lyric summit
has anyone tried a8s unsync recently? how many people are needed and what mechanics aren't getting skipped?
how much do I need to know on a scale from a4s where you can even skip the pentacles with shitty dps to a12s where still 90% of the mechanics oneshot you
dull radish
you can clear before gavel if you have enough dps, maybe have to kill the steam regulators but that's about it
generally can plan to skip intermission 1 yeah, intermission 2 is pretty safe from most things
robots phase is a lot cozier, you don't really have to deal with many of their mechanics, they die so quick
unreal flax
We had to kill the regulators, but it dies shortly after that.
The group I farmed it with could kill it with no more than two deaths. Three deaths meant too much HP to kill before Gavel finished casting unless more than half of us used pots lol
which was a waste of pots
dull radish
could just do gavel properly~
lyric summit
I don't even know what gavel is cause creator was my first savage 😬
dull radish
ok so you did neo, right? It's a bit like GCO. You get one of a certain set of debuffs for your role, and you do specific things for the mechanic to resolve properly at the end based on that debuff
for dps you would possibly kill a steam regulator add, soak a certain number of orbs (with healer and/or dps), and I think possibly take a tornado in a corner of the room which reduced your HP to critical level. I forget exactly, it's been a bit haha
unreal flax
I think one of the tanks needs to take the tornado because of minHP debuff
unreal flax
Ah
dull radish
tanks actually give an issue of why gavel can be a bit annoying unsync, both tanks have to take damage to cleanse stacks, usual strategy is to use autos, but you can dodge autos unsync. Can face away to give boss better positional accuracy, and soak orbs with folks, but still a pain
along with the min HP debuff to deal with haha
unreal flax
yeah
inland peak
Is it safe to say that alliance raids are kind of entry level raids while the full party ones are more for the hardcore players?
scenic patrol
Both are easy as shit
Savage is the harder ones
But I would not even say it's for hardcore
It's for people that have a brain
That's the only thing required to do savage
Hardcore is Ultimate raids
stable basin
Yeah, it is true that all midcore/hardcore is for Full Party, but not all Full Party is for midcore/hardcore
Alliance Raids can get surprisingly hectic also, but that's also largely because you're dealing with usually at least 16 random PUGs, and there are frequently mechanics that one competent alliance alone is not enough to save the day on
Traditionally everything is blamed on Alliance C. I'm not sure if there's in practice an actual breakdown as to which alliances tend to be actually at fault, probably not (unless something goes on behind the scenes with group formation algo like premade groups being put as A or B preferentially? shrug)
inland peak
so for the sake of pugs and time commitement alliance is a more casual experiance right?
stable basin
Yeah.
inland peak
been looking into the coils because ive never done them
they seem to be a lot more involvef
stable basin
You spend more time in the actual instance session with Alliance typically (especially if it's the newest one), but also a lot less pre-planning or serious training is generally entailed
inland peak
training is what i meant by time commitement
scenic patrol
Time commitment wise Normal mode raids are quick and easy
stable basin
it's a meme, Yalia
scenic patrol
Allience raids takes up to 2 hours on worst scenarios
Usually around 40 mins
Normal mode raids take 7-15 mins
Each
That excludes Coils
inland peak
so it's kinda just like these are the hard ones and these are not kinda thing?
lunar carbon
one thing is certain
lunar carbon
there will always be one alliance that is complete garbage
stable basin
There seem to be a lot of in-memes on Siren, like newbies in Eureka being "eggs"
tropic brook
The alliance whose healers die
stable basin
And yeah, it does seem like more often you get a single alliance dropping the ball as a group than you see across-the-board failures.
scenic patrol
Anyhow just jump into Omega if you are 70
It's a fun experience
And if you want to take on Savage Omega feel free to ask here
Plenty of raiders here can help you out
tropic brook
Savage omega
sour solstice
As long as you are willing to learn most people around here are pretty forgiving
tropic brook
dull radish
no flaming, only cozy <3
lunar carbon
'rough love'
inland peak
I'm just curious. I don't want to get too heavy into raiding but I want to be able to say I've done blank raid
sour solstice
I said might
stable basin
And yeah Coil is not on the same difficulty grade system as the others
sour solstice
Normal raiding is uh
stable basin
The modern Normal and Savage system actually came out as a result of complaints about Coil
sour solstice
Yeah
lunar carbon
Rabanastre savage when
scenic patrol
But that comes off as elitist
sour solstice
Does it really though
sour solstice
You can turn your brain off
stable basin
Which aren't entirely unjustified, because Coil had a lot of very important lore in it that if you weren't (what would currently be) a Savage tier raider you had little opportunity to take in
sour solstice
for normal
tropic brook
Lol 24 man savage raid
lunar carbon
tropic brook
Good luck with that
lunar carbon
Hashmal Savage
scenic patrol
Actually it's possible to do that
lunar carbon
stable basin
Yeah, I'm not sure it would work so well in XIV
Mostly because of the fact that XIV's raiding community is so much smaller
lunar carbon
make it 12-man
stable basin
You'd probably need a critical mass of raiders to really make it workable thing
12 might do, though. LOTRO's standard raid size is actually that IIRC
lunar carbon
3 small parties 
stable basin
Speaking of critical mass part of me wants to say Yoshi and the gang really should do more to drum up interest in raiding in XIV
Part of me suspects it's more a community thing than anything that can be fixed with game design though (short of gutting the difficulty altogether even in Savage)
inland peak
Ty for the help guys
lunar carbon
or perhaps the fact that you require 8 players to do hard content in the first place
stable basin
well, it should be easier to get together 8 than 20
lunar carbon
the game has no 4-man savage difficulty content, I'd like to see it being a thing
stable basin
although I sometimes feel like that can actually be part of the issue
lunar carbon
:[
stable basin
with 8 it's also a lot easier to get a PUG together than in MMOs that require larger groups, which probably inhibits the formation of long term groups compared to such games
scenic patrol
Have you ever been in a static and cleared the tier?
stable basin
Not yet in XIV, I'm currently in the process of trying to find or get one together
sour solstice
^
Statics are quite valuable
making one this late in the tier is uh
A little difficult
stable basin
Yeah, that's what I mean, and it seems to be pretty unique to XIV as well
spice comet
U can clear in a pug too
stable basin
In other MMOs, it's understood that you normally build a static from the get go
sour solstice
No...
spice comet
I did a static o1s-o2s but we shit on o3s so I started pugging, clear o3s pug, got another semi static, i left tho midway through o4s prog and clear o4s pugging
So yeah u can pug a clear
sour solstice
People pug in WoW all the time
spice comet
Then i got a static to farm o4s
stable basin
Yeah, but after the first week or two you practically need the whole difficulty cleared there to even get a pug raid at all, because "link achievement"
sour solstice
WoW has a lot more shit tier groups
spice comet
Deltascapes experience 
paper torrent
???
spice comet
Eh nah it's no way the first few weeks
stable basin
Imagine if you needed to clear O8S to get a weekly for O5S
rain turret
???
stable basin
With the achievements link requests it's basically like that there.
spice comet
My o4s clear was way the fuck later
sour solstice
Just uh
First of all
no one fucking has AoTC
for those groups
everyone knows that
lunar carbon
I think your comparison is way exagerated
lunar carbon
lol
sour solstice
Second of all
lunar carbon
3rd and 4th fight has a huge difficulty gap compared to the 1st and 2nd
spice comet
yeah i didn't think raiding is that hard
sour solstice
There are PLENTY of pug groups for the first few weeks
Hell
I bet if I resubbed right now
I could find a pug
for Antorus
that doesnt require AOTC
stable basin
Yalia, I was around for Tomb of Sargeras before I came back to XIV, day 2 normal pugs were already quite frequently asking for Deceiver's Fall
spice comet
Like my friend started pugging and got to 8s during uwu release, he stilled pugged a clear during that week so ye, pugs r k
steady pebble
also i think to a few of you with the achievement thing, they're talking about wow not ffxiv for that
paper torrent
U prob dont even need healer privelege
stable basin
To put that in perspective, our guild ran on Wednesday and Friday. We hadn't even had our first guild dip into the instance yet and people already were asking for DF for pugs. LOL
lunar carbon
sour solstice
No one
spice comet
lyric kelp
you mean the achievement you get from beating lfr
stable basin
@lyric kelp you can't get it in LFR until about a month-month and a half in
they stagger boss releases in LFR there, it's not like XIV where you get the whole normal raid from the start
lunar carbon
^ is this wow?
sour solstice
yes
lunar carbon
ah okay
lyric kelp
i hit level cap in wow a little over month ago and i've only seen groups doing coven demand curve
stable basin
I mean, Normal raid in XIV is basically equivalent to LFR
But here you get the normal raid from release (of course, since you have to do it to even touch Savage)
in WoW they release LFR piece by piece
stable basin
Yeah
sour solstice
And if you arent a complete dipshit
stable basin
Sometimes I've thought that might be a solution for XIV as well, but it has other issues
sour solstice
you can beat normal
lyric kelp
normal in wow basically doesn't even have mechanics
sour solstice
before LFR final tier is out
lyric kelp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stable basin
mostly the extreme power creep that results from needing such a large gear spread per tier
sour solstice
...
steady pebble
😭 s'not nice to call us lfr nerds, retards
stable basin
or people who can't find a group, Yalia
steady pebble
yes, thank you
sour solstice
If you cant find a gorup
stable basin
not being available regularly during primetime is a pain in the ass even there
sour solstice
you belong to the first category
most guilds do groups
theres all kinds of pug
you arent looking hard enough
stable basin
and at least on horde and my server when I played, afaik the only night owl guilds were Mythic, there weren't any if you wanted to target Heroic
lyric kelp
you don't need a group unless you're doing mythic in wow
sour solstice
Every day there was a different casual raiding guild shouting in Dalaran
sour solstice
Dalaran
stable basin
And what were their raid times? We're talking from the perspective of someone that needs to raid either in mornings or late nights (actually, I still do) in order to have a static in any MMO
sour solstice
There was every single time under the sun
stable basin
I work 2-11 PM five shifting days a week, so primetime is completely out
sour solstice
I saw everything from mornings to afternoons to 1 in the fucking morning
lyric kelp
i casual raid nights in the us on a eu realm and there's still enough groups pugging
elder lark
when I was working as an EMT, I had to give up having a regular WoW raid group because I would work 12-18hr shifts any random 3-4 days a week, no way to have a normal schedule 😐
It sucked because I liked the people I played with prior to that
stable basin
Yeah, I had a lot of fun with my guild while I was unemployed, then I had to take that retail job to pay the bills
sullen sable
this doesn't seem like it's about xiv anymore 
spice comet
It's full wow
stable basin
Virsath, to me it's seemed to become a thing about raid organization logistics in general rather than the specific gameplay of any particular MMO
sour solstice
No, its kinda zoned in on WoW
stable basin
At least I'm pretty certain that static formation should follow generally the same principles in XIV as in other MMOs, but this does not always seem the case
sullen sable
yeah it went to wow and stayed there
spice comet
Yea it's pretty much wow
stable basin
And yeah much as I've made many wonderful friends on Siren/Aether I do sometimes get the feeling like maybe I should have stayed on Chaos like I had been in ARR if I wanted to have a less stressful time with raiding
spice comet
If we talking raids in general its kinda hard cause diff games differ
sour solstice
I highly doubt Chaos pugs are any better
or statics
fuck, id argue they are worse
stable basin
Yalia, I mean in terms of the time zone difference
sour solstice
Yeah but then you have ping
stable basin
the start of EU primetime is a little before I have to leave for work, instead of being right in the middle of my shift like NA primetime is
spice comet
Theres pugs all 24 hrs of the day if we r looking at primal
elder lark
One of my friends who got me into this game raids on EU servers because of his work schedule even though he lives in New Jersey
spice comet
Salt doesnr decrease either
lyric kelp
there's barely any difference in pugs across all western servers
spice comet
ping is rly w.e
sour solstice
Eh
stable basin
Yeah, forget about playing MCH with high ping pretty much apparently
spice comet
First hand experience,
sullen sable
lol
stable basin
And yeah, high ping leads to twilight zone pre-dodging
spice comet
Well not mch or nin obs
stable basin
I was around in ARR, I've seen all the tales about PS3 people on Titan Ex
lyric kelp
i did 4s with 400ms before i got mudfish
stable basin
having to dodge Weights before they even appeared because there wasn't enough response time after
spice comet
My dps didnt go down cause higher ping it was just I need to move a bit earlier
lyric kelp
just learn to play with the ping you have or get a vpn
spice comet
Yea git gud its that ez
sullen sable
lmao
lunar carbon
doing mechanics before they start
zinc vortex
ive played this game on 300-400ms ping the past few weeks
lunar carbon
my kind of game
spice comet
Yea high ping tilts me faster than ppl messing up mechs
lunar carbon
but it makes pretty impossible for you to do the O7S vírus knockback
spice comet
Its clearable just tilted
lunar carbon
if you are teamed up with a low ping player
split falcon
they fixed that last patch btw
spice comet
Nvr noticed an issue, i think they also fixed that
Before it was just an annoying bug, didn't matter ping
split falcon
yeah ping wasn't what caused it(at least not ping by itself)
spice comet
Like me and the tank r both around 100 normally, we still somehow got hysteria being next to one another during the initial weeks
split falcon
it was moreso wacky server ticks
spice comet
Just ate it and clear feelsbad
lyric kelp
wacky server ticks
lunar carbon
dull radish
It happened more frequently with differing latency in pairs
spice comet
Server ticks is so tilting
lyric kelp
the worst thing that happened to me when i had high ping
is when the swap happens in o3s
but you don't swap
the other guy just swaps to you so you stack and die
lunar carbon
on tentacle sim spawn
I have to either sprint or move before the mechanic happens
otherwise I AM GOING TO get hit by it
zinc vortex
i've had the game like
like i used say, hissatsu shinten
then 2 GCDs later the game decides nope your shinten and those 2 GCDs never happened here's that kenki back and your combo is now broken
lyric kelp
i remember my boi lksaar failing soar and surviving because he got the resistance down debuff after the damage got processed by the server
lunar carbon
LMAO
zinc vortex
yeah that sounds like lksaar
have you ever had your 2nd inception debuffs go off about 3 seconds after they were supposed to
and wipe everyone?
cause i have
unreal flax
I've had rot blow up after it was passed before. That's pretty fun.
lunar carbon
happened to me once
lunar carbon
my tanks pick-up rot
scenic patrol
Someone puts rot on me
And the Healer picks it up off of me
And I don't even need to move
lunar carbon
what happens normally is, the healer passes to MT
the OT takes it off the MT
and brings it to a DPS
zinc vortex
oh my healers usually do a thing
and our ranged DPS
then they put it on me last because im not moving anyway
tropic brook
Muh ley lines
lyric kelp
the answer is to make the monk do it
dull radish
Yep
lyric kelp
if the pld uses hallowed you're ok
shy osprey
monk can go die
lyric kelp
who needs a white mage when you have a black mage
zinc vortex
okay :(
stable basin
yay took my first crack at savage as a healer tonight
also, curses work
probably would have landed a static spot with some really cool people if it wasn't for work
but at least I did get two really good friends who think I'm a good healer out of it 😄
normal mesa
sch if i know nadine at all
grizzled seal
sch best healer anyways 👌
wet stag
Birth of lmao the 2nd
elder dawn
yeah just lemme press my own buttons and not care about anything else as a dps please
wet stag
broke 4.4k on 6s finally
pure yoke
grats
sour solstice
nice
untold oyster
lyric summit
you gotta believe
dull radish
seems like a reasonable strategy
languid shuttle
How would I go about getting my ryumyaku gear augmented without running savage
lyric summit
primal exchange -> wondrous sundries sells upgrades for 24man coins
paper torrent
Snort a shitton of hunts for dyoen logs
sour solstice
wait you can do that
languid shuttle
is it 1 gougan coin for one item?
paper torrent
Yep
languid shuttle
sweet
sour solstice
1 gougan+ 1 raba
languid shuttle
shit
sour solstice
Have fun in Raba
paper torrent
Have fun
languid shuttle
rabAAAAAnastre
limpid ocean
rabanasty isn’t that bad
paper torrent
O O F
lyric summit
i'm praying
it's 97 on the encounter page 😢
vit melds
i think 21 int is the max racial stats for a caster
last galleon
just get into a low dps group for o5s and pad on adds
heavy mist
the true strat
last galleon
kill someone with diabolic wind early on so they have weakness = weaker AOE = you pad more
sour solstice
gg ez
pine beacon
I definitely have the same evil thoughts
Opener didn't go off right?
Rotation got fucked?
Had to lose uptime to something stupid?
The thought crosses my mind to wipe it up lul
pine beacon
"Maybe I won't cd this buster"
sour solstice
Or alternatively
every single group
that doesnt want to do corner
for the prey on the MT
pine beacon
The most tempting is in Kefaust, if someone early pulls, since even being a second behind on the GCD will mess up squeezing in that extra upheaval
Oh, yeah. Not wanting to do corner preys
"It's too hard on the healers!!"
spice comet
That's only true in 340
sour solstice
spice comet
And even then i did it
pine beacon
Like. DV or SiO will be available in every comp
Indom, assize, asylum, earthly star
They all exist
spice comet
So even less reason to complain, corner prey is dps
In 340 corner prey was all shields, heals and must use indom before rain or we all die fun days
lyric summit
how does one get the augumented crafted gear
mm what about the thavnairian rain thingy
creation got it
pine beacon
Yeah. With current gear, the question isn't corner prey anymore. Now it's head on cheese
spice comet
Head on cheese, pad adds, true dps gain
lyric summit
oh you can't overmeld augumented crafted accesories goddamnit
ye 😬
oh well, still better than a genji
stable basin
Yeah don't be scared of corner prey
I was handling it fine my very first time in there as sch and even if I was the marked healer (it's usually harder when it's the shield healer apparently)
pseudo valley
i hate how on ps4 you rely on party memebers for fflogs
steep iris
go pc then
steep iris
feelsbadman
pseudo valley
yeah, but my o5s run wasnt uploaded
pseudo valley
Been one for 4 years XD'
boreal edge
5 years here
pseudo valley
i came with ps4 ver launch
vital cypress
hmm
how much health does a melee DPS need for kefka anyways
roughly
mine seem to be going splat a lot during the third graven image set
hot plover
is DRG stronger than BRD
supple sail
Optimal party composition is about how various different classes synergise with each other.
hot plover
yes I know
supple sail
DRG and BRD are both desirable.
sour solstice
But I dunno if you can strictly say one is stronger than the other
hot plover
BRD without DRG is a ton of lost potential
supple sail
BRD doesn't require DRG to be viable
compositions with BRD and no DRG are being seen a lot more often lately
hot plover
sadly
supple sail
It's fine.
supple sail
You'll live.
scenic patrol
the worst is not having a BRD/MCH
supple sail
Mhm
hot plover
I know
supple sail
If you know all of this then what's the purpose of your question "is DRG stronger than BRD"?
hot plover
on personal dps
supple sail
DRG has higher personal DPS.
hot plover
Hmm it's kinda hard to predict it for BRD, since it's heavily proc dependent
some pulls you'll get no RA/Pitch perfects
would you say DRG is more consistent in that sense?
because it kinda has a set rotation yes?
hot plover
that's what i thought
supple sail
There's no big mystery.
hot plover
hmm
scenic patrol
BRD is the lowest personal DPS job
hot plover
I feel RDM is stronger lol
hot plover
yes
scenic patrol
BRD is much much much more valuable though
supple sail
You shouldn't use "stronger"
because high personal DPS isn't that big a strength lol
hot plover
when it comes to raiding, i agree utility > personal dps
but it was just a question
what would be above DRG in terms of personal? maybe SMN ?
scenic patrol
MNK
scenic patrol
!classlogs aya liz mnk
storm frostBOT
hot plover
yes the famous aya liz
scenic patrol
!classlogs ragnarok aya liz mnk
storm frostBOT
scenic patrol
8K DPS
scenic patrol
elder dawn
powerful uwu world first aya liz
opal hollow
can you be any DoH to overmeld any piece of gear?
torn kindle
you also need to have your crafter be the same level as the gear you want to overmeld
torn kindle
so level 70 stuff requires the right level 70 crafter to overmeld
opal hollow
tyty