endgame-lounge

[hot plover]

what would be above Monk?

SMN/SAM?

[scenic patrol]

nothing, Monk does the most damage in optimized setting

[hot plover]

so it's the highest for personal over everything

[paper torrent]

meta doesn't really matter tbh

for most people

just play what you enjoy or are not shit at

[stable basin]

Yeah, it'll tell you on the piece of gear what job you need to meld

It's the same level to overmeld as to meld normally, you don't need to be higher level (you also don't need to be on the actual crafting job when you do it, just have to have it)

and just to get it out of the way also, no, there is nothing you can do to improve the chances of successful overmelding

the odds are fixed based on what kind of item and number of melds

[steady pebble]

its materia grade + what overmelding slot it is, afaik

[stable basin]

pretty sure left and right side gear have different odds too

[steady pebble]

no

[stable basin]

yeah I might be wrong, left side gear is rarely overmelded outside of DoH gear anyways

[steady pebble]

5th slot with grade 1 materia is 8%

regardless of what item are you melding to

the hardcore/wf types pentameld both sides

[stable basin]

Ah, I forgot about day one when competitive raiders use crafted throughout

I only remembered about DoH gear and tank accessories :p

LOL ... "2 chest, no traps" ... I don't think this person quite understands how the PF life actually works xD

[blazing pelican]

anyone doing serious progression early on is gonna be in crafted as well

as well as tanks, since SE has shown 0 signs of them fixing tank accessories

[paper torrent]

🔫

[stable basin]

You makes your PF and you takes your chances LOL

[stable basin]

I'm actually not even quite sure how you'd successfully "fix" the tank accessories thing given xiv math

[blazing pelican]

take off some vit
add more str

[torn kindle]

they could make the accessories scale better with their native strength

Like seriously, the STR difference between the Lakshmi and the Diamond ring is a measly 4

even though it's an ilvl difference of 50

[wet stag]

You know

All they need to do

Is make the difference 3 str

[torn kindle]

[wet stag]

Between crafted and raid accs

[blazing pelican]

The issue with Tenacity

is that you could fill every slot with it

and it would still be bad

[wet stag]

Nah

You're trading 2% of your dps for a bit of extra mitigation

[blazing pelican]

the mitigation isn't worth it

[wet stag]

If you compare bis and full tenacity sets, it's about a 6-7% mitigation difference

[torn kindle]

You still need to use cooldowns regardless

[blazing pelican]

6% of 40k is still a fuck ton of damage

[wet stag]

Well yeah

And it won't rly make a difference for healers

[paper torrent]

arm and hammer my asshole daddy

[wet stag]

It's good for UwU prog tho

Raffter melded full tenacity

[blazing pelican]

Raffter is also a living meme

[torn kindle]

I feel like sharing the video of the DRK who tanked Creator Savage using only Flash, MP-regen stuff, and parry melds.

[hybrid rapids]

because

ultima AA

is freaking pain

it's like a truck crashed on you

magical AA smh

[steep iris]

oof

[hybrid rapids]

it's a godsent

if you don't want to see this

24k critical

smh

[steep iris]

b o i

[hybrid rapids]

i didn't see it coming

[steep iris]

wait

24k crit WITH vengeance?

holy fucking shit

[hybrid rapids]

he pop

vengeance after

out of panic

[steep iris]

oh ok

[hybrid rapids]

lmao

[steep iris]

did he get healed before the next auto?

[hybrid rapids]

spoiler, we wiped

[steep iris]

F

my static's still on ifrit nails

but we got past it once today

[hybrid rapids]

that's good

keep it up

[thorn bear]

The eternal tank classic

OH GOD 23K AUTO CRIT

pops every cooldown left

[solemn pagoda]

The panic skill pops

[daring berry]

you know it's time to go to bed when after 1st meteor phase in TsukuEX, you went to stand at A as a DPS

i only noticed when one of the JP players was spamming CCCCCCCCC in chat

didnt mess up anymore mechanics after, though i did respond very slowly.

[spring dock]

what food should sch eat

[sour solstice]

Crimson Cider I think

[zinc vortex]

i'd say a hearty meal without enough fibers considering all you're going to do is be absolute shit

[sour solstice]

Lmao

[spring dock]

thanks

[elder lark]

👀

[zinc vortex]

for real though idk probably cider

[paper torrent]

☕

[zinc vortex]

cant go wrong with cider

[spring dock]

drunk as usual again

[paper torrent]

There's like three choices depending on stat iirc

One of them is cider

[zinc vortex]

disconnect yourself from your raid group like you disconnected yourself from lksaar and me

😔

[paper torrent]

O O F

[zinc vortex]

i remember eating food for accuracy

also remember melding an accuracy I materia in my alexandrian greatsword because i cba to eat food

[tropic brook]

[lyric kelp]

Did you say

Alexandrian greatsword

The legendary parry sks sword

[dull radish]

I managed to pick up that one haha

[scenic patrol]

You can feel the rage of a thousand Dark Knight mains as you equip it

[tropic brook]

[sour solstice]

parry sks

That sounds like kms territory

[dull radish]

Was a blessing in disguise because you didn't have to worry about actually getting a raid weapon, you'd just use augmented tome

[zinc vortex]

i remember having 1.2k parry

full parry gear

actually full parry melds

F

[tropic brook]

Is there a difference between parry and block damage?

[sour solstice]

Full parry gear

[scenic patrol]

Yeah

[sour solstice]

that sounds

[scenic patrol]

But first HW or SB?

[zinc vortex]

[scenic patrol]

Parry in HW and Parry in SB are a bit different

[zinc vortex]

the colibri pink dye added to the meme

[sullen sable]

I mean you still wanted the Alex greatsword

That's a top tier glamour

[zinc vortex]

also ^

and yeah parry was basically a shitty version of block

even back when block only blocked physical damage

parry was also always a flat 20% damage reduction, and increasing parry would only increase the chance to parry ever so slightly

it was the most underwhelming and unreliable defensive stat an mmo has ever seen

[dull radish]

It also had to not be a crit, and not be blocked, for parry to come into play

[zinc vortex]

so they removed it and replaced it with tenacity in SB which, albeit also terrible, is already a big improvement over parry

that too

the game has a priority system when it comes to damage types

if an attack crit it would completely overwrite the chance for it to be blocked/parried etcetera

[elder dawn]

diamond weapon is bis for ast right? I just had a ast in my weekly who was using the 370 weapon and then the diamond sextant dropped and he left before everyone finished rolling and I ended up getting it lmfao

[dull radish]

Sucks to be that AST

[elder dawn]

yeah lol.

and I got the mount too. Too bad still no weapon

[dull radish]

That globe is amazing haha

[elder dawn]

yeah crit and det bis

[blissful solstice]

yeah for weapons higher ilvl trumps all because of main stat and weapon damage increases

[lunar carbon]

Does anyone recommend any way to spend allowances after reaching omnicrafting?

[heavy mist]

Omnigathering

If u havent

[lunar carbon]

👀

I don't want to level FSH fffff

[heavy mist]

Otherwise save for 5.0

[craggy gate]

^ besides that, mine've sat at 100 for foreverrrrr

[heavy mist]

Leveling fishing through buying fish

👀

[dull radish]

Honest gillionaire title

[lunar carbon]

like, would turning in leves be a decent way to get crystals, for example?

[heavy mist]

Probably better off just buying em

And making returns through crafting and buying more

[lunar carbon]

!whogatherers @lunar carbon

[storm frost]

Gatherers for <Anarth Chalivier>

Botanist

70

Fisher

29

Miner

70

[heavy mist]

Id assume u were talking about the elemental ones which u use to craft with

[lunar carbon]

I bought 60 of a certain fish to turn in levequests with it

[heavy mist]

Otherwise I'm 🤔

[lunar carbon]

but apparently the FSH levequests are random

rip

[heavy mist]

Rip

[lunar carbon]

as in

[craggy gate]

fisher took me a whole ass total of 9 hours to level barring class quests

[lunar carbon]

there are 4 different leves

and the game picks 2 randomly

[craggy gate]

level fsh *

I sat in one spot for x-y levels til I was outleveled for it, kept the hq fish, then went to see if there were leves for them

if not, I sold them

[lunar carbon]

[craggy gate]

I followed a guide somewhere on which holes to go to

[lunar carbon]

I bought Yugr'am salmon and Dark Bass for lv25 leves

[craggy gate]

it might not be the most efficient thing but it wasn't bad, I just finished off a show

[lunar carbon]

I turned in the salmons once and then got the other two levequests I dont have the items

so I have 57 salmons sitting in my inventory

that reminds me

I have to do my crafter class quests

I have only done CUL and ALC, the rest they are at lv1 lmao

[craggy gate]

I've been omni since a month after SB and-

omg

that is some time

I still have a few that lack their 70 quest, iirc it gives materia and I could def use it

[lunar carbon]

but I'm sure that nothing is more annoying than doing the CUL ones

[craggy gate]

I hated cul in general

[lunar carbon]

Hey, get 1 piece of these 7 different materials

RIP inventory

[craggy gate]

Yep

[lunar carbon]

I also have to do it on my MIN

so...

a good way to get craft materia is to convert 290 craft gear, right?

[steady pebble]

ahahahahahahahaha

if you want to go insane, sure

[lunar carbon]

why insane?

[steady pebble]

spiritbonding is a soul crushing experience

[lunar carbon]

I have been sending my retainers to get twincoons

and quick synth twinthreads

[steady pebble]

either way tho

if you're going to spiritbond

you may as well just find something you can make for yellow scrip turn ins

and farm yellow scrips/red scrips/ixali depending on the grade you need

spiritbonding is the last resort

[lunar carbon]

VIs, of course.

[craggy gate]

it takes a long ass time for the spiritbonding

[lunar carbon]

I haven't checked the correct amount

[craggy gate]

you will get some VIs from your 70 quests and scrip people if you're not full up on hearts with them

[lunar carbon]

but I'd say it takes around 150 twinthreads to 1~100% the 290 set, I think

with the

squadron buff scroll?

and having the items melded

[steady pebble]

still, you're better off farming yellow scrips

than trying to spiritbond for VIs

their drop rate from conversion is pretty low

[craggy gate]

you're more likely to just get Vs out of 290

[lunar carbon]

I see

[steady pebble]

They're like <10%

[craggy gate]

the ala mhigan stuff was pretty nice to me on VIs, but I'm not sure how likely that's supposed to be

[lunar carbon]

inb4 you get craftsmanship VIs

[craggy gate]

since i'm almost done with the 240 stuff

340

[lunar carbon]

according to a reddit post the ilvl didnt matter

290~340

[steady pebble]

but like i said, you can double up on the spiritbonding

[lunar carbon]

they apparently have the same chance to get VIs

[steady pebble]

just find something you can do that gives yellow scrips

[lunar carbon]

I guess

[steady pebble]

that way you're getting the gear bonded while getting scrips to buy it

since you can get VIs now

from yellow

[lunar carbon]

alright, then I suppose what I should do is

spiritbond the leftover crafting gear I have

and turn in stuff for yellow scripts

[craggy gate]

do your quests

[lunar carbon]

....Q_Q

[craggy gate]

;^)

[lunar carbon]

I might aswell do them , yes.

I need manipulation II on my BSM and WVR

...I also need weapon and subweapon for them

[craggy gate]

[lunar carbon]

and I'm in an impasse

like...

I cannot craft weapons on my own yet since I need good tools to make them lol

and due to that...

[craggy gate]

what gear are you in now?

[lunar carbon]

I'm considering getting the 330 one

[craggy gate]

cause the ala mhigan/290 set I legit exclusively melded all IVs

[lunar carbon]

I got the 340 set

left side is full 340 with some poorsman melding

[craggy gate]

I managed not to poorsman this time

[lunar carbon]

right side I have the new accessories with poorsman melds

[craggy gate]

all the VIs I've hoarded for a couple monthd

[lunar carbon]

but I dont have weapon nor secondary weapon

Like

one of my accs is like

[craggy gate]

I haven't tried the MH/oh yet

hold on, let me switch laundry and I'll open my game up

I haven't slept so I need visuals at this point

[lunar carbon]

Control VI
overmelded CP VI
control II
craftsman III

lul

right now I can steadily 1->92% crimson ciders, for example

having a single HQ item makes me 98~100%

[craggy gate]

I'm gonna try to make a weapon right meow

cause I still have the alamhigan stuff

I should do an off hand tbh

what stats are you at currently?

[lunar carbon]

I dont recall the correct amount

wild guess

476 base CP
1700 craftsmanship
1650 control?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/165848684850970624/454049011343818753/unknown.png

This is an old Picture though, I can 15800 now

[craggy gate]

My friend said that nonspec rotation will be around 1770 craftmanship for the mh/oh ilvl 340

[lunar carbon]

The macro rotation mentioned in one of the reddit posts use muscle memory as the first skill

ah wait, of course...that's a non specialist craft rotation

I still rely on specialist, so I use initial preparation

[vital cypress]

oh right

the ornate crafting stuff can take a full deck of VI materia if you're insane enough right

[lunar carbon]

ornate crafting stuff?

[vital cypress]

the five-slot stuff from wondrous tails

[steady pebble]

yes

its 5 assured slots

[vital cypress]

because i do happen to have an ornate crafting top laying around

[lunar carbon]

you can also full VI them, right?

[steady pebble]

yes

[lunar carbon]

something that overmeld doesn't let you to do

[steady pebble]

mhm

You're not overmelding the ornate gear

[lunar carbon]

I think I'm going to do the sacrifice

pop my yellow scripts to get 330 tool and subtool and with them make the crafting tools for the rest of the classes

[white crane]

guys, how long did ur group take to prog titan from spawn -> ultima(estimated hours), and which guide helped you especially if you could link them, my group knows what to do, can get jails, but need more practice after that, im personally liking critthebootshine from elysium's vid guide and clees's text as well

[steep iris]

jfc

that much for 3 crimson ciders?

guess im stuck buying them on the mb forever

[unreal flax]

I have all the items for it except the peppers, but those are easy to get. BUT, I don't really have the stats to make it yet, so I'm basically just filling up my inventory for hopes and dreams lol

[lunar carbon]

:p

[unique wolf]

it took us one night

to wake titan correctly and beat the enrage without using LB

so roughly 5 hours

[pure yoke]

wake me up tiff

[white crane]

[unreal flax]

lol purple on Guardian, blue on train and ghost

[steep iris]

fuck guardian

[boreal edge]

funny how its easy to get purple in o7s

unlike o6s and o5s

cause ppl pay attention to mechanics than dps

[steep iris]

get me an orange in 7s

:(

[torn kindle]

The real orange you should strive for are oranges. Vitamin Deficiency is no joke, yo.

[timber burrow]

I'm gearing up my tanks which is more important tenacity or determination?

[torn kindle]

crit

tenacity if you think you need some extra mitigation but generally crit when you don't need said mitigation.

[scenic patrol]

STR>Crit>DH(unless Warrior) >Det>SkS>Tenacity>DH on Warrior

STR right side melds

Always

Most important meld

[timber burrow]

Thanks

Both of you

[scenic patrol]

!whois @timber burrow

[storm frost]

Brave Desu, Grandmaster of Magic

Miqo'te, Seeker of the Sun
Level 70 Black Mage [Item Level 367]
<The Al Bhed> on Exodus

[scenic patrol]

Hmmm

[timber burrow]

:c it saved my blm

[steep iris]

qt

[torn kindle]

it uses the class you logged off as

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow you can peek at my Lodestone if you want to see proper melds

On Warrior

!whoami

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo, Dark Driver

Hyur, Highlander
Level 70 Warrior [Item Level 363]
<VIth Imperial Legion> on Odin

[scenic patrol]

Just click on the name

[timber burrow]

Ty

[paper torrent]

He's rich boi tho

[lucid karma]

you should change your name to Sell Memes

and profit the memes you got

[paper torrent]

nah

that's when i start selling runs

:^)

[lucid karma]

I expect people selling runs to at least clear O8S, no?

unless you somehow got that clear already and I missed a memo

[paper torrent]

Soon

I will have my o7s clear

[lucid karma]

on another note just won fuckload of loots yesterday

weapon asides I'm pretty much at BiS on NIN

[paper torrent]

O7s axe is cursed tho

I'm going for the diamond booty

[lucid karma]

!item diamond greaves

[storm frost]

**Diamond Greatsword** **:** Dark Knight's Arm **:** ilvl 375

Damage

105

Magic Damage

71

Auto Attack

103.6

Strength

355

Vitality

391

Determination

318

Skill Speed

223

Materia Meldable

Yes

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[lucid karma]

hmmmm'st've'd

oh you mean diamond axe

[paper torrent]

Ye

Mizuaki KAIIII is cursed af

[lucid karma]

granted tome axe not THAT bad

[paper torrent]

U sure

[lucid karma]

you just need richboi to justify it

and ur on poorboi

[steep iris]

!item tsukuyomi's axe

[storm frost]

**Tsukuyomi's Cane** **:** Two-handed Conjurer's Arm **:** ilvl 365

Damage

103

Magic Damage

139

Auto Attack

118.1

Vitality

332

Mind

339

Piety

305

Critical Hit

213

Materia Meldable

Yes

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[steep iris]

WOW

[lucid karma]

with richboi gears you can reach 2.1k crit

[steep iris]

!item tsukuyomi's greataxe

[storm frost]

**Tsukuyomi's Greataxe** **:** Marauder's Arm **:** ilvl 365

Damage

103

Magic Damage

70

Auto Attack

115.36

Strength

339

Vitality

369

Tenacity

305

Critical Hit

213

Materia Meldable

Yes

[steep iris]

not the worst thing I guess

[lucid karma]

with that axe you can have 2.3k crit but lose out main stat and weapon damage

[steep iris]

yea

WD prob worth more

[lucid karma]

again, tome axe not that bad if you're on richboi gears

[paper torrent]

Poorboi tho

[lucid karma]

maybe try dps calculator

[paper torrent]

I think the Wd

Beats it out

[scenic patrol]

Mikazuki Kai is second best Axe

doesn't matter your gear

it's still the best option until you got Diamond

[elder dawn]

what's the command for bring up a gear preview again?

[nimble dove]

alt f4

[elder dawn]

[scenic patrol]

!itemglam absolute slut

[storm frost]

**Table Salt** **:** Ingredient

No image found for this item, Kupo!!

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape. No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[scenic patrol]

👀

[stable basin]

But purple I don't have an Alt key on my phone

[unreal flax]

Also, made it to 4th Graven.

[scenic patrol]

5th is a bit spicy

and requires the most coordination

[unreal flax]

5th is the "hit sprint and smash everyone to dust" Graven, right?

[scenic patrol]

only use sprint as sleep target

actually don't sprint at all

be positioned before

you can use the box strat places

for confuse

[lunar carbon]

@craggy gate Answering your question from before

[unreal flax]

I finally am at or above 470 on most of my classes, but the other stats are low enough to require all HQ mats.

[feral tendon]

@paper torrent I got a chance to clear v7s today ayy

[paper torrent]

Grats

I have midterms

next week

so i can't prog

O O F

summer school hella schoolling ME HAAAAA

[steep iris]

so uhh

is there something that explains the 2nd ifrit charges

like, how do you know where to go beforehand (healer searing) and which direction you run in

clockwise/counterclockwise

[lyric summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453911693442154498/458035434799366144/7wvGGzR.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453911693442154498/458035452361048065/I9BqbdR.png

the order in which you kill nails decides the order of dashes

[vague karma]

Question about SMN and FFLogs

None of my Ruin IV procs are being detected

What's up with that

[wet stag]

What do you mean

Are you looking for the ruin 4 buff

[vague karma]

In my logs that I upload, none of it shows

[steady pebble]

hm you could link the log itself

[hybrid rapids]

@vague karma your Ruin IV proc is the amount of Ruin IV literally

[lyric summit]

it's not a damage buff tho

[hybrid rapids]

check damage done

[lyric summit]

I think it's in stances? or one of the other buff categories

[wet stag]

Yeah it would be in other buffs

[vague karma]

This is someone else's upload but still me

[hybrid rapids]

no

it's in damage buff

further ruin is the name

[vague karma]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/j9NYCXBnmwFHgc42#fight=13&type=auras&source=7

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/mhfBcD81dkRHCNQp#fight=22&type=auras&source=10

Mine is the top link

The other is uploaded by a friend in the same fight

[steady pebble]

look at the damage done tab

[wet stag]

Change it from gained by friendly to cast by friendly

[steady pebble]

you have 34 casts of ruin iv

[wet stag]

Or click self applied

[steep iris]

thanks vis

[vague karma]

So it's an issue with my ACT settings?

[hybrid rapids]

you're the uploader ?

[vague karma]

For the first link, yes

Not the second link

[hybrid rapids]

i didn't see your radiant shield as well or you didn't cast it at all

[vague karma]

I used Garuda-Egi in the first link

Ifrit in the second

[hybrid rapids]

ye

most chances is your settings

[lyric summit]

I mean, no matter what your act setting are, it's still the same log for everyone and fflogs reads it how it needs, no?

[hybrid rapids]

you can check the proc with damage done tho

and i'm not expert in ACT, can't tell which part is wrong

[lyric summit]

if you have pets separate from owners on parser settings, fflogs will combine them anyways

could always try here if it's a bug or something https://discord.gg/udTaqb

[ivory tiger]

I constantly hit 90+ percentile healing as paladin. Am I doing something wrong?

[sour solstice]

Casting Clemency

[ivory tiger]

Maybe wrong isnt the right word, maybe different

[sour solstice]

is what you are doing wrong

[ivory tiger]

Thats the easy answer

[sour solstice]

only time you should really be casting clemency is if you WILL die or if someone isnt procing veil

[ivory tiger]

Sometimes I get it just from veil usage

I wont cast clemency, but my veil I try to use as much as possible and hit everyone

[sour solstice]

thats fine then

using veil to help a raidwide is good

[ivory tiger]

Can you tell me places to use clemency

[scenic patrol]

None

[sour solstice]

Like I said

if you will literally die

[scenic patrol]

You just don't use it ideally

[ivory tiger]

Yeah, ideally im 4k+ using holy spirit and fight or flight rotations

Ive used clemency during o6s to pop my veil during lullaby

do shields work while being hit by apathetic?

[scenic patrol]

That Clemency GCD is a GCD you didn't do damage with

[sullen sable]

Yes shields work

Deploy works anyway. Don't see why DV wouldn't

[wet stag]

i dont have enough buttons for wings of passage omegalul

[scenic patrol]

Wings of cuck

[wet stag]

@sour solstice

[sour solstice]

nice

[lucid karma]

you are free now

[wet stag]

nah

relic time lul

[solemn pagoda]

But are your crafting and gathering classes maxed?

[lucid karma]

he is

[scenic patrol]

They are

!whocrafters @wet stag

[storm frost]

Crafters for <Faye Midpearl>

Alchemist

70

Armorer

70

Blacksmith

70

Carpenter

70

Culinarian

70

Goldsmith

70

Leatherworker

70

Weaver

70

[scenic patrol]

!whogatherers @wet stag

[storm frost]

Gatherers for <Faye Midpearl>

Botanist

70

Fisher

70

Miner

70

[opal hollow]

does a2s have any mechanics unsynced?

[solemn pagoda]

Faye is godlike

[craggy gate]

hey mine are too

can I also be godlike

[paper torrent]

Is that

FAYE Midperal?

Big fan

[sour solstice]

you cant just say big fan without smh dude

its like you dont even brd_discussion

[paper torrent]

I am poor boye

With no balance emotes

[zinc vortex]

dont worry you're forgiven they're not that good anyway

[opal hollow]

how bad is spell speed on rdm/sum?

[paper torrent]

not terrible

but defintely not the greatest

from what i've heard if you're going to caster

omni, you should go crit if you can

with some spell speed melds

[opal hollow]

ah ok

fuck it i'll deal with it when i get there

[paper torrent]

as long as you can double weave with SPS is still pretty okay

I was about to say

Rika would know more about this

literally starts typing

[opal hollow]

LOL

[dull radish]

It's not especially about double weaving haha, but yeah

[opal hollow]

pls dump info on me

give me everything

i'm about to get shafted by my static and forced into caster

instead of tank

LMAO

[paper torrent]

I think sarra has like... 150 ping?

sommething like that?

SMN opener is pretty fucking owke

[dull radish]

Sps isn't really bad, though on SMN you might have issues with very high sps for bahamut timing, and for outpacing Fester cd. At the same time, you don't really want to run absolutely minimum sps, at least for SMN, because then you can run into issues getting ww off without extra ogcd

[opal hollow]

i have 300 LOL

[dull radish]

That's a bit much haha

[last galleon]

that min sps

you won't be able to do no addle no triD 11ww bahamut rotations

[dull radish]

Yeah exactly

[opal hollow]

yeah uh

i'm at 1663 SPS

[dull radish]

That's more than I run on BLM~

[last galleon]

1.6k SMN is terrifble

[opal hollow]

yeah i thought so

[last galleon]

been there done that (1.5k smn)

for smn, the comfy zone for me personally has been anywhere from 800~1000

[normal mesa]

what ballpark for sps DO you want on smn at 70...

[opal hollow]

^

[dull radish]

800-1k sounds about right, give or take

[paper torrent]

just play SAM instead

and go 2.1k memespeed

[zinc vortex]

FAST

[paper torrent]

someone post monday2chest

'cause i'm poor

[zinc vortex]

DID SOMEONE SAY FAST SAM

[normal mesa]

the reason i ask is cuz the uh, what's the word, the bis sheet i was following...

[paper torrent]

@zinc vortex hi

big fan btw

[zinc vortex]

!whoattributes @zinc vortex

[storm frost]

alex ba'kal of moogle

Attributes of Level 70 Samurai

HP

44086

MP

4800

Strength

2795

Dexterity

318

Vitality

2160

Intelligence

174

Mind

145

Critical Hit Rate

457

Determination

1307

Direct Hit Rate

1864

Defense

2991

Magic Defense

2991

Attack Power

2795

Skill Speed

2281

Magic Power

174

Healing Potency

145

Spell Speed

364

Tenacity

364

Piety

292

[zinc vortex]

[paper torrent]

2,281

DEJA VU

[zinc vortex]

planning on bringing it down to 2155 eventually

but for now

[normal mesa]

had like...super low sps

[last galleon]

@normal mesa there's three BIS for SMN with differing spellspeeds

[normal mesa]

is the min sps bad?

[last galleon]

max crit (the one i'm running) ends with 1k, and there's a min sps build too

no

[opal hollow]

hate to ask but what's the 3 sps?

[normal mesa]

that's what i'm getting at

lol

[last galleon]

it just means you can't use a particular bahamut rotation

[opal hollow]

if you know just whereabouts

[last galleon]

and you have to be aware of that

[normal mesa]

ye i'm jut waking up, still drinking my caffiene

[dull radish]

You have to burn oGCD for min sps bahamut

[last galleon]

three sps in BiS are 457, 675, 1074

457 is the min sps one where you'll cant get 11ww bahamut with just three festers

[normal mesa]

ye my net got upgraded so i was like 'i guess i will fiddle with that again'

since my ping fluctuated

[last galleon]

if you don't trust your ping, generally lower sps would feel comfier, but you'll have to experiment a bit with bahamut rotations to see what can net you 11wws consistently

[opal hollow]

jesus

baha scares the fuck out of me

i'm like lvl 63 on my summoner

and rotations are changing already

[paper torrent]

ha

70 rotation

aka: oh crap i forgot addle

[last galleon]

@opal hollow i won't worry about any rotation before 70. SMN is incomplete until you get bahamut lol

[normal mesa]

just like last expac it was incomplete until dwt

like

they do this a lot

[last galleon]

yeah same thing for mch too

[paper torrent]

IR for WAR

requiscat and HS for PLD

[normal mesa]

And yeah I'm still a novice at the job, well aware of that, so it's a tiny bit frustrating to trial and error it all. I have clearable dps rn at least, so like, at least I won't get chewed out for not being able to get the clear done with

Wish my net had stayed the same reee

[last galleon]

RDM is pretty much complete before 70, which i kinda appreciate. they're only lacking combo finishers which doesn't change their general priority that drastically

in the meanwhile smn without baha is like, why do i even play this class

[lunar carbon]

For the Ruin 3 flashiness

of course

[last galleon]

yeah that 120 pot ruin3

s pwoerful

[lunar carbon]

thanks SE

[last galleon]

i still can't believe yoshi says 'sorry we overtuned SMN AOE capability a bit' and then proceeds to nerf ruin3

[dull radish]

I've honestly never liked the advice of, don't worry about rotation until you're max level

like of course it's gonna be incomplete and I wouldn't worry about trying to min-max things

but at the same time, having a decent idea of what you're doing and why, can help out a lot

[last galleon]

for SMN in particular, the flow isn't even complete at that point

whatever you have before 70, i wouldn't really call a proper rotaion

more like balancing priorities the right way

[dull radish]

and that's all I'd be asking for in "learning a rotation"

[last galleon]

yeah fair, i think we just have different terms for the same idea then

[dull radish]

it's basically just learning level 60 rotation and adjusting slightly to some things haha

then learning the flow at 70

[lunar carbon]

Perhaps if we whine as much as some SCH mains we can get some SMN buffs

[opal hollow]

LMAO

[dull radish]

more BLM buffs please <3

[opal hollow]

how big of a dps difference is there between an average SUM and a good SUM in raids?

[dull radish]

SMN is actually really strong where it is haha

[opal hollow]

like with SAM it feels like it isn't huge

[lunar carbon]

I'm an average SMN

I'd say 5500~5999

[dull radish]

it's a pretty vague thing and depends on your definition between average and good

[last galleon]

SMN is really strong

[spice comet]

When u say good the difference is pretty big if u mean in terms of fflogs

Purple vs green

Pretty big

[lunar carbon]

but isnt average blue?

[opal hollow]

REE

[last galleon]

i would like for bahamut to have slightly less abandonment issues though

[spice comet]

I'm nice and counting low avg

[lunar carbon]

green is like 'you can do better'

grey is ⭐ You tried ⭐

[spice comet]

Otherwise I say ur only good at orange

[last galleon]

grey i don't think you even tried

or, you tried but died

[lunar carbon]

but it's okay to be grey

[last galleon]

which is understandable

[lunar carbon]

and sorry

[spice comet]

Grey as a dps is like yeah u die or ur gear

[lunar carbon]

I won't fail O7S mechanics to travel to padding-city

I really like O6S to measure DPS

[last galleon]

you don't have to pad in o7s to not be grey though

[lunar carbon]

since it has 100% uptime and no mobs

and...

I didnt reach god kefka for the same uptime

right ,that's why I'm green I guess

!whologs @lunar carbon

[storm frost]

Anarth Chalivier of Leviathan

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Summoner: (4246/9436) [5245.88 DPS] [61.4 Historical] [7:33]
Red Mage: (4659/10129) [4626.59 DPS] [55.3 Historical] [7:58]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Red Mage: (4262/9070) [5172.32 DPS] [54.4 Historical] [8:35]
Summoner: (3386/8912) [5870.82 DPS] [66.8 Historical] [8:35]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Summoner: (4228/6311) [5426.06 DPS] [37.2 Historical] [11:11]
Red Mage: (4860/5587) [4522.36 DPS] [13.2 Historical] [11:47]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[last galleon]

green isn't terrible. grey is where i'd be looking at severe rotational issues.

or, just deaths.

[lunar carbon]

or damage down

[last galleon]

don't think any damage down this tier will bring you to grey alone

unless you count weakness lulz

[pine beacon]

A singular grey run is understandable. Consistent grey runs is "Hey, you need to fix your shit"

[last galleon]

yeah, first clear greys are like, expected

or the occasional 'i died whoops' greys

[pine beacon]

Ye

[lunar carbon]

I got a grey this week

;-;

[opal hollow]

fuck o7s

i go from orange to green

depending on rng

LMAO

[dull radish]

O7S is fun <3

[pine beacon]

O7S is not too bad

[last galleon]

@lunar carbon it also depends on your gear a bit. at this point you're competing with a lot of BiS summoners.

and especially in 7 and 8, the competition is pretty tight

[lunar carbon]

I'm non-BiS 369 though

[last galleon]

weapon tho?

370?

[lunar carbon]

yes

ryumyaku

wait

[dull radish]

7 is especially annoying since there's a lot of optimizing you can do as far as cleaves

[lunar carbon]

the

mendacity one

[last galleon]

yeah i get u

lol

something something kai

kinyoshu?

[lunar carbon]

and SMNs now are padding the biblio adds for more DPS

[dull radish]

8 you can see gap widen since it's a pure uptime fight, so if you're unable to keep uptime, you're losing a lot compared to the top

[lunar carbon]

disgusting

[last galleon]

you can't pad biblio adds that spawn from portals

[opal hollow]

can't you?

[dull radish]

well, you can

[last galleon]

fflogs discounts it

i'm pretty sure

[dull radish]

but they get ignored

yeah

[opal hollow]

oh wow

[last galleon]

since they're not adds you have to kill

[lunar carbon]

oh, that's good

then

[last galleon]

same thing with the easterlies in o6s

[lunar carbon]

I HATE

when I tab targets

and I accidently use skills on these flying little shites

on O6S

[dull radish]

I uh

[last galleon]

why would u ever need to tab target in o6s tho

[lunar carbon]

I once akh mor'ed one accidently

[dull radish]

might have used a F4 on one of them

[lunar carbon]

I screamed inside

[last galleon]

when you mana shift a bard or something?

[dull radish]

and spooked myself thinking I grabbed aggro from the boss somehow

[lunar carbon]

yes

[last galleon]

i just use focus target

instead of tab target

to get back to boss

[lunar carbon]

I should do that

[dull radish]

yeah I started doing that there specifically haha

[last galleon]

angry BLM destroys innocent wind sprites

[lunar carbon]

lmao

[dull radish]

straight up shows up as a miss on fflogs haha

[last galleon]

oh lmfao

[dull radish]

I remember looking at the log and going, wait how did I miss...oh...

[last galleon]

the comeback of accuracy

[lunar carbon]

I use apocatastasis on that fight

and I do tend to target the sprites

after it

[solemn pagoda]

[last galleon]

can also macro your apoc if you're always giving it to the OT or MT (kiss or busters)

i do that in o8s for double wings

[dull radish]

the one time I did it, it was because I decided to AM back to corner, and I do manual AM haha

[lunar carbon]

regardless, I like O6S for its uptime

Ah, another thing

on O7S

I'm the LB boi

[last galleon]

wtf

as smn?

[lunar carbon]

during biblio, yes

I normally have bahamut about to end on that time

[last galleon]

my condolences

[lunar carbon]

so when it ends I LB

[last galleon]

your group can't kill biblio normally without lb3?

(in time, that is)

[lunar carbon]

I dont think that's the case

we just...got used to doing it

[last galleon]

oh....ok

[dull radish]

It's probably just the "it worked for prog, we'll just keep doing it that way"

[last galleon]

caster LB lock is like...8s?

[lunar carbon]

like what Rika said

[dull radish]

I had to do the same thing in A6S haha

[last galleon]

that feels pretty bad

isn't that cancer as BLM

[dull radish]

It's nice longer

[lunar carbon]

we have reached the point that ...let's say

[dull radish]

Than 8s

[lunar carbon]

if Ultros is the last mechanic we kill guardian before it can spawn the add

we once cleared it while airforce adds were up

or rather

we could have cleared it but we were too scared of messing up the timing and wiping

[dull radish]

caster LB is like

12.6s or something

[last galleon]

geeez

[dull radish]

you just lose everything if you're on BLM

[last galleon]

yeah i was gonna say

isn't that just dropping enochian

lol

[dull radish]

yeah, it's just straight up impossible to keep AF/UI up

even if you refresh stacks or transpose the very last moment before LB

[lunar carbon]

I have a BLM in my party

so I suppose it's better if I just do it

[last galleon]

yeah

[lunar carbon]

[last galleon]

in that case if you need a caster LB...spare the BLM

[lunar carbon]

so he can have his orange

lmao

P R O T E C C the carry comp

[last galleon]

the poor bard with no drg

[spice comet]

That is some shit

[dull radish]

at least tanks still get their STR party bonus

[spice comet]

Sam needs to go drg

Clearly

[lunar carbon]

DRG is just too good, huh

muh crits

muh Pierce debuff

[last galleon]

it's more that bards get screwed over without a DRG

[paper torrent]

that DRK parse tho

[last galleon]

almost unfairly so

[paper torrent]

cursed

[lunar carbon]

on that run

I think the DRK died like

4 times

[last galleon]

like, as a SMN i can live without a DRG. as a BRD say goodbye to any chances of getting a good parse

[lunar carbon]

ah no

twice.

[last galleon]

double weakness

nice

[paper torrent]

Bard refresh

is so powerful

esepecially when people start dropping

[lunar carbon]

the DRK's best dps on guardian is 3600

and the DRK is Always the MT on that fight

[last galleon]

is he pulling when you have a warrior?

[opal hollow]

i swear to god it's impossible to get any decent numbers on DRK

it feels like it's impossible to break 4k on drk

[spice comet]

I know some good drks

And idk wat they do to pull op numbers, think bloodspiller

W.e

[sour solstice]

!whologs @wet stag

[storm frost]

Faye Midpearl of Tonberry

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (2185/15613) [4216.93 DPS] [95.5 Historical] [8:59]
Dark Knight: (340/7989) [4033.21 DPS] [96.4 Historical] [7:50]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Warrior: (6781/14742) [4214.45 DPS] [78.5 Historical] [9:12]
Dark Knight: (1059/8147) [4401.54 DPS] [90.4 Historical] [8:27]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Warrior: (8526/10932) [3656.81 DPS] [33.1 Historical] [11:18]
Dark Knight: (794/4964) [4074.02 DPS] [84.6 Historical] [10:41]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (7033/8577) [3641.99 DPS] [25.6 Historical] [6:48]
Dark Knight: (1080/3601) [3796.18 DPS] [75.0 Historical] [6:25]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Dark Knight: (823/2573) [4161.82 DPS] [71.8 Historical] [10:14]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[opal hollow]

using blood spiller makes me sad after playing WAR

[sour solstice]

take a look at Faye's 6 log

thats probably a good place to start

[opal hollow]

jesus

[spice comet]

Or check raftter

World first uwu drk

[sour solstice]

!charlogs ragnarok raffter senpai

[storm frost]

Raffter Senpai of Ragnarok

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Dark Knight: (94/7989) [4260.45 DPS] [99.5 Historical] [7:08]
Warrior: (1/15613) [7027.51 DPS] [100 Historical] [5:33]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Warrior: (4/14742) [5435.77 DPS] [100 Historical] [6:21]
Dark Knight: (15/8147) [5024.47 DPS] [100 Historical] [6:46]
White Mage: (2526/16840) [2534.64 DPS] [88.0 Historical] [9:12]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Warrior: (133/10932) [4663.93 DPS] [99.5 Historical] [8:13]
Dark Knight: (158/4964) [4302.69 DPS] [99.1 Historical] [8:47]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Dark Knight: (39/3601) [4169.89 DPS] [100.0 Historical] [5:39]
Warrior: (51/8577) [4566.03 DPS] [99.5 Historical] [5:30]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (11/6390) [5058.27 DPS] [99.8 Historical] [7:55]
Dark Knight: (75/2573) [4554.24 DPS] [98.7 Historical] [8:20]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[paper torrent]

powerful rafter

[sour solstice]

the O5s WAR parse gets me every time

[opal hollow]

what in the fuck

WHAT

[paper torrent]

add phase bois

[opal hollow]

IN THE FUCK

LOL

[paper torrent]

IR decimate

[last galleon]

solo adds probably

[spice comet]

Yea he padded 5

[sour solstice]

in the words of Raffter

[spice comet]

But still hes a sicc drk

[sour solstice]

"If you are gonna pad do it right"

[opal hollow]

yeah fuck me that's nuts

[last galleon]

top rankings for o5s are all fucked because of solo adds

[sour solstice]

drk isnt padded tho

so just look at his 6s since thats a stupid high uptime fight

[opal hollow]

holy shit his entire team

[sour solstice]

thats the world first team

for UwU

featuring the powerful aya

and the content respecting scholar

[opal hollow]

god damn

those tank dps got me real fucked up

[sour solstice]

I mean

dont take it too hard

these are the absolute best with BiS

[sullen sable]

and lots of autism practice

[opal hollow]

yeah

it's pretty sick to see though

[sour solstice]

Its not like Raffter is just inherently good

hes got a 9% Arms warrior parse in WoW

[sullen sable]

[pure yoke]

hi

[sour solstice]

himug

[unique wolf]

[heavy mist]

👋 ❓

[sour solstice]

[dull radish]

<3

[pure yoke]

[unreal flax]

Mug, did you see that I got purple on Guardian? Super proud of me lol. (No, I'm not ready to stop mentioning this yet)

[heavy mist]

!whologs @unreal flax

[storm frost]

Gormeus Rowntree of Excalibur

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Dragoon: (5901/12557) [4900.65 DPS] [55.3 Historical] [7:30]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Ninja: (9388/10317) [4446.1 DPS] [10.0 Historical] [9:27]
Dragoon: (5039/12292) [5672.85 DPS] [65.6 Historical] [8:54]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Dragoon: (2234/8938) [5440.37 DPS] [75.8 Historical] [11:10]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[heavy mist]

👏 ? I guess lol

[unreal flax]

YES THANK YOU

[sullen sable]

lol

[lunar carbon]

t h i c c brows

[paper torrent]

Parses as thicc as them brows

[lyric kelp]

Brit you said like 3 weeks ago you'd start getting 8s

[unreal flax]

I'm in it now. Only made it to 4th Graven, tho.

I might be able to get into some PFs for it tonight since wife's D&D thing ain't happening

[white crane]

u gotta join 1st forsaken if u wana prog clown clear

god clear = 1st celestriad

[unreal flax]

strats. I like this idea. Since it's still prog, everyone still has bonus. fuckin amaze

[valid gate]

hm

!whologs @valid gate

[storm frost]

Error!

FFLogs API Error: Invalid character name/server/region specified.

[valid gate]

yeah i thought so

[storm frost]

Nergui Malqir-dalamiq, Of the Silver Lining

Au Ra, Xaela
Level 70 Dark Knight [Item Level 362]
Solo on Gilgamesh

[blazing pelican]

Nice.

[wet stag]

[tropic brook]

[opal hollow]

are there any benefits of having DRK over PLD/WAR

[unique wolf]

yeah if you're doing ultimate

[opal hollow]

oh?

is there a mechanic that calls for it?

i know fuckall about uwu

[unique wolf]

the last phase is all magic damage and dark knight makes it incredibly easy

[opal hollow]

ahhhh

makes sense

[unreal flax]

Kefka enrage observed.

[craggy gate]

big daddy god kefka?

noice

[unreal flax]

Nah, just clown kefka.

[scenic patrol]

Now just don't die

[unreal flax]

Yeah, exactly.

[craggy gate]

honestly he's door kefka for a reason

I feel like god kefka is a bit more forgiving overall

or it was for us

at the initial point

[scenic patrol]

Godka is more forgiving dps check wise

[craggy gate]

yeah

[unreal flax]

I'm A-OK on the first four Gravens now, but sketchy on positioning for stuff after that. As I see it, I'll get closer to clearing it.

[scenic patrol]

Mechs are tougher

[craggy gate]

it'll just make your healers work

I don't even think those are bad

once you see a couple, you've seen them all

[heavy mist]

Make act triggers

No brain needed

[scenic patrol]

The trigger I use for Confuse/Sleep makes it so braindead

[craggy gate]

I knew there was one but I'd focus on the left side, and if I did/nt have it act accordingly

Since left side tether was easiest for me to see at my personal and camera positioning

I used triggers for ta because my ninja did that at fuck all times

[scenic patrol]

I have a trigger that calls out my tether specifically

[craggy gate]

And mentioned we needed to sync up

[scenic patrol]

Well, 2 triggers

Also Ninja generally needs to TA on CD

[craggy gate]

Yes.

[scenic patrol]

Unless there's an opportunity for a re opener

[craggy gate]

But he'd ta way way too late to start.

If it makes any sense

Like it fell so weird

[scenic patrol]

A late TA helps no one

[craggy gate]

Or he'd ta on things like

Right before airforce

Weird shit.

'where's chain?'

Waiting for everyone to be able to hit it

[scenic patrol]

That sounds like a NIN that needs to git gud

[craggy gate]

I have more fun facts but

I love the kid just was kinda ree

[valid gate]

who the fk uses act triggers for sigmascape

just turn your screen

[stable basin]

hmm for non kefka killers ...

moon bun or upgraded tome book for sch in the end?

[valid gate]

doesnt matter

either works

[stable basin]

looks like moon bun has crit pie and tome has sps pie

[craggy gate]

Moon bun

Of you're arguing those stats

She's 365 right?

[stable basin]

Yeah

Apparently the UWU scholar book is also crit pie

[paper torrent]

'cause it's just diamond

[stable basin]

(I can dream, right? xD)

[paper torrent]

with an extra matiera

slot

[craggy gate]

Yeah

So I mean you can go either or, one has crit the other sps

But the tome will have more mind

[stable basin]

I haven't even found a static yet though let alone gotten anywhere near unlocking uwu lol

[craggy gate]

And you can meld 2 crit and be just fine tbh

[paper torrent]

just case ilevel pre 370

chase*

[craggy gate]

I used tome book to clear God Kefka for the pie and mind its a good boom

[stable basin]

I start to wonder if I should try to get away from that thought that a static should always be standard for raiding, though

[craggy gate]

Book* Jesus I have fat fingers.

[stable basin]

It was the case in basically every other MMO though, even SWTOR that also had 8 man raids

[craggy gate]

I pugged for the first time in a year the other day

Turned out quite nice

[stable basin]

If you wanted to raid, you got a guild. Here you don't need a static to be within a FC but ... it still seems like one ought to prefer one.

[grizzled seal]

pug raiding is quite something I'd recommend static raiding unless you know what you're getting into.

being and FC static or non FC static doesn't really matter a lot

[hybrid rapids]

First, you have to learn and know your job

getting into a static without basic knowledge and core idea how gameplay

is basically just wasting everyone's time

Second, find your objective

anyway, PUG is always a good start

to learn the fight

but not your job

there're tons of resources and guides out there to learn your job

and also dummy for practical

[torn kindle]

But that Cure III Mage pays his sub! There's nothing I can do about it!

[elder dawn]

Only dishonest scums look up third party resources which aren’t intended by the devs at all

[torn kindle]

tfw you don't even need FFlogs to tell that people are doing shit

[uncut charm]

When I double pull in dungeon and the mobs are not ded in 20s I roll my eyes

[torn kindle]

The MNK is doing single target on 10 mobs

it physically hurts me when I don't see a BLM using their aoe on big pulls

what do they have against flare

[uncut charm]

Some don't even fire 2

Just single target fire 4

[scenic patrol]

Tried healing dungeons

I don't get zero dps healers even more now

Is it fun to sit on your ass doing nothing?

[torn kindle]

goes healer. dps don't aoe
goes dps. healer doesn't dps

the circle of pain

[scenic patrol]

Holy spam though

[torn kindle]

\o/

[scenic patrol]

[torn kindle]

I bet the party feels like Louisoix when I spam the living hell out of it.

[elder lark]

I pointed out the other day to a no-DPS WHM that Holy is kind of like a heal because stunned mobs don't do damage

they started using it

so ... good

[wet stag]

@torn kindle

you're forgetting

go tank, dps dont aoe and healer doesnt dps

[prime pivot]

You're screwed no matter what you play

Pick one:
Tank doing big pulls
A dps doing aoe
Healer dps