SAM and RDM have very high ceilings and very, very low floors. They're so basic and stripped down that getting anything above average DPS is an investment.
#endgame-lounge
unreal flax
Just mashing Shinten more is not gonna magically make your SAM DPS hit 90th.
But you don't even have to have a brain in your head to hit 75th most of the time.
light wagon
how hard is o7s in comparison to o5s/o6s?
unreal flax
Considerably harder.
light wagon
so o7s is a leap from the previous ones then o8s is another giant leap huh
unreal flax
O6S is actually easier than O5S. Both are easier than O3S. O7S is almost as hard as O4S. Possibly slightly harder.
light wagon
oh dear
unreal flax
BUT
While it's kinda wild, O7S becomes super easy once you see the variations and how the mechanics work.
light wagon
so it's not 100% scripted like o6s?
unreal flax
Invisible Ink and Stealth Planes are the two things that'll fuck you up the most, but even that becomes pretty easy with callouts.
Oh, it's scripted for sure, but there's a pair of scripts.
Instead of one specific flow 100% of the time, when you pull, there's a 50/50 until virus. Virus is always the same. Then, it picks up where it left off for one set of mechanics, before another 50/50, then enrage.
light wagon
that sounds complicated
light wagon
time to wipe until i get the variations
unreal flax
So, your fight will be one of these two columns.
The green bar is Virus.
The same mechanics, just in a different order depending on whether the first set of mechanics is Dadaluma or Biblio.
unreal flax
No problem. Yeah, there are a lot of resources available on this fight. Safe spots for missiles (they're safe at all times), specific mechanics timelines, different ways of handling virus/rot, etc. Lots and lots of information on this fight.
paper torrent
Statics have this fight way easier with good callouts
Most wipes are from someone forgetting which mech it is
unreal flax
Yup.
Good callouts in this fight will seriously improve your chances of clearing, so someone is gonna have to spend some time in there and take it seriously lol
paper torrent
This fight is where timelines become a fucking godsend too
paper torrent
Learning tho
unreal flax
Sorry. Can't afford to do that. I have to remember where I catch which fish at what times and with which baits.
unreal flax
That's actually not really true at all.
heavy mist
i had to memorize since the beginning of the tier people couldnt memorize the fights
unreal flax
My brain is full of glamour stuff and there's now a lot of stuff I don't recognize right away and it's bothering me.
paper torrent
Have you seen spearfishing
paper torrent
Fucking shit FSH is literally just overcomplicating shit the claas
unreal flax
lmao
unreal flax
For the first time since I started running with them, I had to correct two of of my raid leader's calls on O7S. I think that was some of the groups' first clears, too.
opal hollow
is o7s actually similar in difficulty to o8s?
currently progging it and doesn't feel like it is LOL
opal hollow
yeah we're consistent at getting to enrage
but uh inconsistent in not dying
it'll happen
only has been a few tries
heavy mist
depending on the dps, u should nowadays get away with even 1-2 deaths
opal hollow
yeah that's what i feel like
but dunno
havne't really looked into what problems we're having
are there any exceptionally hard parts in godka?
heavy mist
its just can u do the mechanics
theres plenty of guides so its just practice
if u can beat kefka, u have the dps for god
barren grove
abandonment latency issues have been completely fixed? Haven't had it since the patch, but it was annoying to put up with on prog
boreal edge
kefka dps check is far harder
mechanics wise is simpler
godka is harder from both sides
lament stone
godka dps check is easier than kefka, i even get a kill one time with 17x deaths and 2x healer LB 3
boreal edge
@elder dawn compared to o7s i mean
sleek belfry
Kekfaust at min ilvl pretty much requires deathless and people to press buttons 🤔
At 370 it's a bit of a joke 👀
hybrid rapids
I did it 350 mix and match with 340
sleek belfry
But you're good 😉
hybrid rapids
o7s is ilvl 340
If you’re talking of bads
Even 370 bis they might hit enrage
No point on putting bad as a standard
Difficulty of it mostly on establishing strategies and rotations for uptime etc
Instead of dps check solely
Bad strategy = Low uptime = Lower dps
But with the rich resources of guides and optimized strategy for now, it isn’t hard at all
sleek belfry
Eh you're not wrong
But vast majority of players in the game can't do min ilvl on higher turns of a tier
boreal edge
@sleek belfry i did meet o7s dps check on i340 its not tough
kefaust was near impossible to us due no i360 weps
sleek belfry
It's not tough but require you not to fuck up is what I'm saying
boreal edge
the moment we got i360 weps it became semi possible
we did not fuck up
still 62% enrage
sleek belfry
I meant o7 
boreal edge
o7s it depends on where u fuck it up
sleek belfry
To min ilvl kekfaust you need to actually press buttons correctly 👀
dull radish
you don't need i360 weapons for kefka haha
topaz wolf
kefaust enrage is simple if you do not suck
elder lark
I know "bad at math" is the new meme for Lighthouse but the math is legit the only thing in the whole raid I'm consistently good at
I'm so fucking terrible ugh
elder lark
yeah I always get all my damage up stacks from math time and then die to that
stable basin
hmm, do any of the stormblood fights at min ilvl work without being pretty much deathless and pushing buttons?
maybe lakshmi, but even then people hit enrage a lot when it was new
unreal flax
Susano can work with like 5 deaths at min-iLevel.
lyric kelp
my ninja died 3 times in my o7s clear and everyone was still using deltascape gear with byakko weapons
dull radish
pretty much everything has a bit of leeway at min ilvl
unreal flax
Man. Byakko weapons. I remember those minutes.
dull radish
especially ex primals haha
you can have a lot of deaths and poor performance at min ilvl and still clear
unreal flax
Every time I see someone legit using those weapons today I'm just confused as to what point they're trying to prove.
unreal flax
Just do more runs of O8S.
lyric kelp
i only did 10 runs of it because i was still using genji on my bard
hello
8 weeks
unreal flax
lol
lyric kelp
i play casual games now with your good friend lksaar
unreal flax
I've finally temporarily exhausted side bullshit to prevent me from learning kefka so, after I get my O7S clear this week, I'm gonna be trying to learn that shit.
unreal flax
RIPLO. I didn't have competent friends to go through O7S with like I did for O3S lol. I was in prog with pugglers for SEVEN WEEKS before my first clear.
That shit is demoralizing.
sour solstice
PLD 
unreal flax
My hope is that this week, the stupid DRG headpiece will drop along with the DRG pants, so I can spend my books on NIN.
stable basin
Raba this week: You know the DPS is good when you skip the DPS check altogther. xD
stable basin
also time to see how many more wipes happen in ridorana now that need is back
are we actually on week four already btw?
it doesn't seem like it's been that long
unreal flax
I don't think there'll be any more wipes than usual. Ridorana's pretty easy.
stable basin
I'm thinking more because there will now suddenly be a lot of people on alt jobs now that they have to in order to Need
(which is exactly what Yoshi was trying to cure, but the cure was not necessarily any better than the disease)
like here I am attempting to heal it for the first time
because there are actually three upgrades I can get here for SCH and zero for RDM
dull radish
It's more the people than the jobs
stable basin
And I end up with a DRG piece go figure and my lancer is like level 1
just because I can't really stomach doing Ridorana more than once in a week LOL
elder lark
I ended up with a healing piece this week that really wasn't much of an upgrade for my healers but I rolled a 11 greed roll so I have to assume nobody actually wanted it lmao
fringe ravine
what's you gys opinion into upgrading into the yamashi set from the HQ ala mihgan?
blissful solstice
@unreal flax if you need help with O8S i can probably come with you
unreal flax
I prolly will lol. I won't even really be thinking about it until prolly tomorrow night at the earliest.
dull radish
I can help out too if I'm not raiding/working or whatever when you give it a go haha
sturdy lynx
Any link to Sam Meta :O?
unreal flax
I don't understand the question
unreal flax
Has to be.
glossy musk
unreal flax
loooool
indigo kraken
suggestion of what to require from players in a party finder for sigmascape 1 savage?
for clearing it
because ughhh..
unreal flax
Nothing, really. I guess make sure they know mechanics. it's an easy, easy fight, with some annoyances.
indigo kraken
parses?
dull radish
you can get a bit of history of someone's raid experience and performance by checking uploaded combat parses of them on fflogs.com
can look for this tier, last tier, ex primals, whatever
indigo kraken
oooooh
dull radish
it's not the perfect thing to judge, but it can give you some info on folks that try to join
very helpful especially after you clear and you're looking for weeklies
topaz wolf
"but muh parsur exclusionnn" - the community 😄
dull radish
usefulness can vary a bit since not everyone parses or uploads (and it's not an option for PS4 users unless someone else in the party uploads)
but it's a decent consideration to start with
unreal flax
One of my friends has his parses hidden lol. Which I don't understand because he always does really well
paper torrent
For some people it is just an internal thing
They think cause they ain't 99 or 100 they trash
elder lark
I went and set mine to hidden after someone decided to harass me about them while I was healing fucking Praetorium lol
last galleon
did you report them
elder lark
yeah
last galleon
good
if someone's dumb enough to bring that shit up in game for harassment, then lol.
in prae of all places.
elder lark
Dude was mad because he kept pulling shit ahead of the tanks and we let him die so he started shit talking the tanks and healers lol
last galleon
classic
elder lark
the tanks were doing the standard pull the whole dungeon so idk why he was so impatient anyhow but whatevs
last galleon
i personally woudln't set my parses to hidden for that alone, it has some bad connotations if you want to actively participate in savage 🤔
but that must've been a very special dps
elder lark
I have no desire to do savage so I don't care
last galleon
ah k, then yeah it's whatever
paper torrent
yeah some people are dicks about it
i find that shit gets banned REAL freaking quick
last galleon
usually the people that are dicks about it also tend to have garbo parses themselves
elder lark
My eyesight is too bad for super hard content, and I don't learn fights really quickly, so
last galleon
but yeah, report and move on
paper torrent
wait
elder lark
I'm better off with regular stuff lol
paper torrent
was just curious
'cause there's a guy advertising that a couple of nights ago
and he said it's 'cause he was mostly blind or osmehtin'
elder lark
the colors of the fan AOEs on Tsuyu are so hard to see x_x
the black/white moon floor mechanic actually makes it easier lol
paper torrent
W E W L A D
it's okay
i had 3 straight weeks of 11's
on o5s once
those runs were absolute dog shit
plus i had to war skip
rip my dps
lyric summit
i stepped into wings of destruction cause tanks weren't marked ree
unreal flax
O6S on my NIN lol.
opal hollow
i swear dpsing in o6s is so easy that it's fucking hard to parse high
unique wolf
how does that make any sense
opal hollow
it's easier for people who are better than you/with better gear to parse higher
there's less leeway compared to other dungeons
sour solstice
elder dawn
if you pressed the same buttons in the same order then you will get similar percentiles too
lyric summit
if it's easier for good people then it's easier for you too
unless you for some reason don't know mechanics and expect to get a high parse
elder dawn
only thing that could fuck you over in that fight is if you are melee and get stone but even then it's not that big of a deal
paper torrent
Yell at your PLD to use cover
unique wolf
its not harder to get better parses
paper torrent
Something something
unique wolf
sour solstice
thanks im stealing that Tiff
unique wolf
sour solstice
topaz wolf
i have better parses on o7s-o8s than o6s 
sour solstice
7 kinda makes sense I guess but 8?
opal hollow
lol the more accessible something is
sour solstice
wat
sour solstice
thats
sour solstice
sour solstice
ok
sour solstice
alright
so by that logic
a 50% percentile player in O5s
would have more DPS than a 50th in O8s?
50%, O5s
opal hollow
lol you can't compare the two
it's not an apples to apples comparison
there's different amount of uptime
opal hollow
different amount of mobs
opal hollow
lol it's never going to be fair if it's not exactly the same two raids
topaz wolf
GDI kupo
paper torrent
storm frostBOT
topaz wolf
you can deal the same in o8s as in o6s, since both are dummy fights if you are good enough.
sour solstice
Actually, no Phantom train parse at all
topaz wolf
its kupo being drunk
sour solstice
oh
weird
so uh
now that we have established that o8s and o6s are both dummy fights
and o6s has more competition, since there are more clears
lets look at the average parse
topaz wolf
its easier to get orange in o6s, than o8s.
sour solstice
Which is my point, Sarra is arguing the opposite
topaz wolf
because there are a LOT more trash players clearing o6s.
dull radish
The harder something is, the more disparity you'll have in dps for different levels of play
paper torrent
7k lost never lucky
opal hollow
im talking about the difference in variance
you're going to have more people at the top
unreal flax
Man, my life. I got 44-something in O6S on my NIN. 9th. 47-something is 50th. THREE HUNDRED DPS separates 9th from 50th. D:
sour solstice
the more people there are
sour solstice
the more people there are at the top
opal hollow
purely because the fight is harder in o5s
dull radish
You'll have a bigger difference in between good and bad people in hard fights than easy ones
opal hollow
^ that
if there's smaaller variance
it's gonna be inherently harder to get a higher parse
sour solstice
dull radish
So it's easier to get good parses on easier fights
dull radish
I completely disagree with you haha
topaz wolf
hardness 💦
dull radish
You actually have to be good to parse well in 8, because if you don't know what you're doing, you're falling further behind compared to the competition
dull radish
In an easy fight like 6, it's all just easy uptime, no having to worry about uptime during mechanics, it just hands it to you
So it's easier for everyone to parse well, you included, even if you're not great
unreal flax
I think what Sarra is trying to say, and I could be wrong, is that the more people run an easy fight, the higher the numbers are for each percentile. For example, I'm sure at one point, 50th percntile on NIN was 4400 DPS. But, now it's 4700 DPS. Again, I could be wrong, but I tink that's what they were trying to say.
opal hollow
yeah that's what i mean
dull radish
It's like, if you wanna get a 95, that metric is higher out of reach for a hard fight than an easy one
Because there's a big jump in skill
Between the average and the top
Whereas the curve is smoother for 6
dull radish
That's also a thing haha
unreal flax
yup
sour solstice
random note
topaz wolf
i cleared godka way late :<
topaz wolf
then i regressed hard in the fight due to stupid static shit
sour solstice
thats 50th
topaz wolf
then jumped to orange cause i joined a prog group and had a lot more time with each forsaken and mechanic
weird stuff
unreal flax
lmao look at the leap at the end on SAM lol
spice comet
R sams on par to mnk now or still meh 🤔
unreal flax
SAMs used MNK to get their Diamond swords and then smoked shit
spice comet
Lmao, mnk mains were secretly sams
sour solstice
that monk graph
spice comet
I confirm my theory, mnk mains secretly sams
unreal flax
Lol how did everyone regress?
spice comet
Swap off when sams were buff ez answer
unreal flax
Everyone except SAM has a decrease at the end lol
spice comet
More like ppl stopped doing o8s upon uwu
spice comet
Like my group is donezo for the tier, we in uwu
sour solstice
I wonder what shitterland looks like
10th pecentile right here
one pattern stays the same
BRD always surpasses RDM
its because the class is so that if they practice at all they are really good
unreal flax
I've only ever been in savage with really solid RDMs. A couple that just couldn't get to raid, but usually, they're good.
dull radish
I've never actually been in a party with a particularly good RDM before haha
Though taking a caster slot is gonna introduce some bias there
lyric summit
day1 clear
sour solstice
that SAM graph
unreal flax
lol busted ass parse that Kihra hasn't purged.
tropic brook
grizzled seal
nah it actually makes sense
since this is 10%
early clears where likely only sam that could play their job very well
steady pebble
Hm..I guess that's for like ps4 players maybe?
grizzled seal
no, it still needs a pc
steady pebble
hm
wet stag
If ur playing a dps and getting >140% of the average dps, you get the 👼 if you're getting <80%< you get the 😈
80% and <50% for tanks
60% and <30% for healers
grizzled seal
whew
steady pebble
so it tells you if you suck or not?
grizzled seal
depends on your group I guess?
wet stag
Then there's an example
grizzled seal
or does it pull from fflogs
grizzled seal
wow, <10% OH is pretty low
wet stag
If your dps over the last 10 seconds is > 120% your 60s dps, you get an up arrow
If it's less than 80% you get a down arrow
Depends on your group
grizzled seal
even the top speedkills have somewhere between 15-35% OH
paper torrent
that's some hivemind shit
wet stag
OH WHAT THE FUCK THATS RETARDED
paper torrent
have you seen a tank in PF when they get TB'd?
i see a bene, a fucking ED, and a stellar explosion
wet stag
The average dps it takes
grizzled seal
is party dps yea
steady pebble
it seems like a useless feature, imo
unreal flax
Lol, I was healing something. I threw a regen up on a tank when they were under 50%. I ended up with like 50% OH lol.
wet stag
Yep
wet stag
True
grizzled seal
tbh healers do like 40-60% of a dps
grizzled seal
nah even in pugs you can prob do it
sour solstice
so do you just download it or what
paper torrent
ofc you're a pichu main
sour solstice
paper torrent
ofc you don't understand
sour solstice
do i just put it in the URL or...?
paper torrent
act websocket is something else entirely iirc
grizzled seal
unreal flax
if you follow the instructions for the setup of mopimopi, you can use this as well
grizzled seal
ACTWebSocket_1.3.3.9_actv3_3.3.1.255.zip should be the last one
install it like you installed overlay plugin
swift shard
it works with overlayplugin too with far less effort for what thats worth, just copy/paste the url in thats referenced at the bottom
sour solstice
hopefully the weeb speak isnt a huge problem
swift shard
can change the language
sour solstice
ah
heavy mist
kagerou ftw
swift shard
right click the timer/dps at the top -> first setting after the line in the middle (fifth one down total)
wet stag
It's not real weeb
It's knock off weeb
But weeb is technically knock off Chinese so 
sour solstice
Ok
so if you just use overlay plugin
its buggy as shit
ill stick with Kagerou
thank you very much
stable basin
O8S is 350
UWU I can only assume is 370, although it will never be formally checked because no one is insane enough to queue UWU through Raid Finder, if you're even able to do that at all
you need 370 to have a hope of getting through it in one piece, though
stable basin
or rather, BiS, yeah
(tbh I'm not even sure if BiS tank works there because fending accessories have VIT on them and you might actually need that HP in UWU)
it sounds like HP is very precious there, like actually having to meld vit right side on non tanks precious, I'd be very surprised if you can get away with trading HP for DPS on tank (which is afaik what the pentameld BiS setup is about)
blissful solstice
hmm good question
stable basin
but yeah uwu is the only content in the game for which you even formally need an ilvl higher than 350
blissful solstice
I thought new EX primal was 355?
stable basin
nope, moon bunny EX is 350
blissful solstice
o
stable basin
though a lot of PUGs want 355/360
an ilvl buffer is a fairly frequently desired thing in pugs though, pugging high end duty at min ilvl is usually an exercise in pain
wet stag
Can't queue for UwU if you don't have a full party
stable basin
Yeah, that means any ilvl "requirement" for uwu is a mere formality, since it will never actually be checked by the game
normal mesa
we had to chew out our sam for not going max vit, he was like 'but i'm geared up i'm good right?'
torn kindle
reeeee
normal mesa
we're like 'my friend, go full vit or we find a sam who will' lol
torn kindle
or better yet, find a not-samurai /s
paper torrent
he's right you konw
normal mesa
eh we know the pros and the many, many cons
primal belfry
Who was less than 5 actual DPS away from purple.
wet stag
Then no
primal belfry
storm frostBOT
primal belfry
I'm proud of him, finally got 91% Goring Uptime
grizzled seal
👏 😌
primal belfry
Despite his healers forcing him into Shield Oats
primal belfry
Shield Oats
wet stag
Trying to optimise is actually aids
wet stag
As jn
grizzled seal
🤔
wet stag
He goes shield for adds?
wet stag
Yes I know what biblio is
Thanks
Fuckin
Sentinel
Shield oath and rampart are both 20% mitigation who fuckin knew
primal belfry
He has successfully pulled in Sword before
however his team outvoted him on this
and he doesn't have the best faith in the healers so he complied and went Shield
wet stag
No reason to not be successfully pulling in sword
wet stag
I mean
primal belfry
The healers are learning
wet stag
DPS aren't doing that great
Idk man ur really patting his back for succeeding at pretty basic shit
It's a good thing sure but like
¯_(ツ)_/¯
primal belfry
I mean sure it is, just happy my friend finally got there after noticing his flaws
wet stag
Ye
primal belfry
One of the healers is the spouse of the team's leader, the DRG, so he's kinda scared of even bringing up a single critique
Plus his SCH isn't 70 so he isn't gonna throw stones criticisms he can't back up
wet stag
I mean
primal belfry
!equip DIabolos Ja'ni Al'ista
wet stag
Toss an excog on the pld during biblio
storm frostBOT
wet stag
The war sucks
wet stag
No excog?
primal belfry
Did I, Tsun?
Like not even Sarcasm
Because the other screen says 4 Excogs and this says 3 Excogs
primal belfry
does anyone have a normal scholar parse I could look at for Guardian
So I can see in comparison what heal percents for moves are normal
when Bib is pulled towards center by Paladin
Should a Scholar preemptively Galvanize the Paladin
hybrid rapids
bib alone isn't what affected his major dps
and also pld can hallowed ground + CDs after
torn kindle
Was one of them pre-pull? I remember FFlogs not accurately tracking stuff that happens before the boss was pulled.
hybrid rapids
it isn't like you have CDs to use on else way
some sch do adlo and deploy during that
but that's isn't the point if you looking to improve overall dps as a PLD
primal belfry
No, it was Chad he was borderline purple
Not Guardian
Guardian he's 3704 with a 57
Once you start getting 90% Goring uptime and have been hitting your Holy Sprits, whats next besides fine tuning, Tsun?
grizzled seal
hitting as many gcds as possible
stable basin
owo
are mounts and craft mats now going to people randomly as well as being rollable loot?
i'm hearing people say they've seen it both on EX primals now
(also that moon bun's craft cloth is at least sometimes random straight to your bag a la A4/A8 rather than rolled?)
grizzled seal
no mounts and craft mats still don't go to your back, some bosses drop additional stuff straigth to back
blissful solstice
Hi I'm bad
stable basin
is 90th percentile good for rdm at i369 (Upgraded 370 tome weapon not diamond) - this was O5S.
I got 83% on o6s =/, still working on getting an actual good clear for o7s..
lucid karma
of parse, not players
normal mesa
I said parses
lucid karma
yeah just to clarify
normal mesa
Yeah
lucid karma
only few percentage of players do parse
normal mesa
so it depends on your goals! that would be great progress for me.
to some that would be child's play
stable basin
O7S just bugs me so much
my highest was 48% on April 21. I havent had any good clears since then
I almost had a good one until the healers ignored my burns and let me die >.<
theres literally always something with that fight
uncut charm
when trials were difficult they used to mean something
stable basin
i know
uncut charm
like titan extreme ages ago
stable basin
now it aint worth anythin
normal mesa
they're lovely ego boost if nothing else lol
stable basin
i cant do o8s
normal mesa
why not
hybrid rapids
color blind?
stable basin
Pugs are a nightmare and nobody is progging it anymore
normal mesa
it's super fun!
normal mesa
plenty are!
stable basin
noo
stable basin
&& everytime i do theres always someone that holds the rest of the group back
normal mesa
I still help friends who are in prog for it!
stable basin
ive only seen 2nd graven image on normal kefka
normal mesa
it takes persistence without a group sure but
stable basin
parties cant get past that
lucid karma
I wish they do some AoE market like they do in Eureka
normal mesa
if I can clear in pugs i think anyone can
lucid karma
it is so easy to see
stable basin
maybe u got lucky
stable basin
i did o5-o7 in all pugs but o8s its like talking to a wall with pug people >.<
normal mesa
I'd like to think luck played only a small role and that persistence won the game there.
if you try long enough you're bound to bump into some decent players yes?
16 hours
stable basin
I dont think so at this point of the tier
im with all tthe scraps
tier will end soon
normal mesa
i literally dreamed about second forsaken after. this was right before 4.3 too
tier ends in the FALL
normal mesa
when gear lock comes off it'll be worse
but
...I know cuz its always at least 3 months between patches and we JUST got 4.3?
stable basin
sigma wasnt released in 4.3 was it
hybrid rapids
4.2
stable basin
LMAO
hybrid rapids
while we only have GCO
normal mesa
autocorrect is a beautiful thing
stable basin
worst part is I mainly do these things for the mount
normal mesa
I'm on mobile lol its right before bed
stable basin
but ive lost motivation
normal mesa
if its not fun then don't do it, I'd say
hybrid rapids
you can do it after with echo
normal mesa
or rather if you take no enjoyment
stable basin
mounts are my life
hybrid rapids
i do it for the challenge and fun
stable basin
but echo wont save people from mechs
hybrid rapids
you can brute force it
with echo and over gear
if there isn't any instant wipe if one party member failed mechanic
stable basin
in o7s it is x)
hybrid rapids
o7s doesn't give mount :)
stable basin
i know
hybrid rapids
but yea
stable basin
i hate these insta wipe mechs
hybrid rapids
i meant o8s can brute force
stable basin
one person just torture the whole pt
stable basin
I just have a wacky work schedule so I Cant dedicate myself to a static =/
hybrid rapids
rip
normal mesa
unfortunate
elder dawn
https://twitter.com/Raruku_FF14/status/1006802895197614080?s=19 jp down grats uwu
wet stag
That's world 5th?
elder dawn
I think 4th
torn kindle
And 3rd is Shaggy Fusion Ultra Instinct.
Some of these raid team names are top notch
like ♿
blazing pelican
uncut charm
yeah happy for them
apparently they wiped at 1% 5 times
and 10k HP was one of them
can't imagine that heartpain
lol
dull radish
pretty sure 10k enrage on uwu is much worse than 3k enrage on O3S
both could very well be a GCD of time, but one's in a completely different league of time investment and difficulty
vapid tangle
Tonight I will try O7S for the first time
was too lazy to learn it yet
but given that I'm at 368 ilvl I should really start trying it xD
stable basin
eh, nobody has an obligation to do savage, only if you want to
I still only do my O5S weeklies, I haven't really felt that much drive to push further this tier
(I mean uwu weapons are pretty af but eh unless I get a group that's as patient and ass kicking as my old Icecrown Citadel guild I doubt I'm gonna be seeing it LOL)
vapid tangle
but O6S is so much easier than O5S
blissful solstice
@stable basin i can help you with o6s-o8s if you want, they're fun fights and not super challenging so if you like moderately hard content i would definitely go for it
sour solstice
Siren is on Aether
blissful solstice
goddamit
sour solstice
I disagree
vapid tangle
I'm on shiva
dull radish
Primal <3
scenic patrol
Chaos <3
And no, I am not open to help right now
Might be in 8 hours
Depending on mood, I don't have anything cleared and my static doesn't care for 2 chests anymore outside of O8S mostly
So I might be able to help later with O7S
unreal flax
Primal <3
dull radish
Brit gets it <3
sour solstice
Hi Brit
unreal flax
Hiii
sturdy lynx
would people mind farming A12S with me for a bit 😊 ? i would like to get my Alexandrian Metal Katana :/ (Hope it drops in the runs otherwise i need 6 more books)
unique wolf
why use that when u can get the gordian katana
indigo kraken
Any tips for finding weekly raid parties other than random party finders? Like people to setup organized raids with?
organized/scheduled
zinc vortex
gordian katana is fucking radical
spice comet
Uh weekly raid parties? U mean savage? If so that sounds like a static?
indigo kraken
savage
spice comet
So a static
indigo kraken
im a noob to these savage things. 
spice comet
U can try recruitment, ppl r asking all the time or make ur own post, either or
indigo kraken
i did savage o5, just practicing o6
spice comet
For 5-6 u can pug those
Pf is fine since they're not too bad, 7s u can keep using pf while also looking for a static to make ur life easier
Also if u do weeklies tuesday is best day
For clearing
indigo kraken
suggestions on where/how to find statics?
spice comet
spice comet
Literally lol, or even party finder ppl also post stuff like looking for certain class for static w.e
scenic patrol
@sour solstice saw your recruitment post, add raid times next time, super important
scenic patrol
It's like the third thing I check when hunting for statics
DC>Role needed>Raid times
stable basin
Yeah compatible raid times are like the most important thing usually owo
stable basin
Also wow it looks like Chaos has much more laid back progression
In NA you barely see statics at all before Godka at this point in the tier, let alone just starting 7
grizzled seal
low dps, inconsistent, mentality/attitude issues, attendance issues
pick your poison
stable basin
I have noticed activity is usually a lot more spiky in xiv too though
You don't see nearly as many savage statics form mid tier than raid guilds in other MMOs
Activity lulls seem much more marked here too
grizzled seal
the tier is short, most people just clear early
i know people who cleared in pugs week 3
stable basin
And usually people who start late are told they're actually better off pugging
grizzled seal
well yes
as i told you
statics that are stuck on 7s for so long are bad
if they form late into the tier they should still clear quite fast
since you are overgeared
sour solstice
I cant wait to get hardstuck on 7s 
scenic patrol
Aye
Godka requires much more to clear
Kefka enrage is brutal
Compared to Guardian
blissful solstice
Eh
If people are actively working to get better they can do anything
If they aren't trying to get better and they're stuck on 7 that's bad news bears
kind schooner
its generally agreed warr > drk when it comes to just rolling through dungeons right
wet stag
Only if the dungeon allows fuckin huge pulls
kind schooner
Do most of the level 70 dungeons allow this? Havent tanked any
wet stag
Playing war on swallows compass makes me wanna kill myself
paper torrent
Fract hard makes me hard
kind schooner
Hmm, ok. I just want a tank that can casually/autopilot daily dungeons to skip the dps queue (+ dps in dungeons is mega boring) and both my drk and war are about the same level
Not gonna raid with them
paper torrent
Swallows compass is just a less shitty hells lid
If you want true autopilot
Play PLD
kind schooner
Nah warr was my main for a patch in HW, its fresh 62. My DRK is 50% into lv 60
paper torrent
Holy shit so ez
kind schooner
My pld is 57 and don't really want to level any more than I have to
Also super boring
both DRK and WAR are decently interesting
kind schooner
Lmao fair point
heavy mist
it allows u practice uptime
kind schooner
Only bad thing about DRK so far is that I feel like blood price is so weak, that big pulls are a mess of me trying not to die between struggling for mana because DA Abyssal is so ruinous
kind schooner
WAR you just spam Overpower
heavy mist
at lesat for bosses*
kind schooner
Ah ok. So never use DA on trash pulls besides DA+Passenger, and just spam Abyssal for the damage. What else do you DA
kind schooner
Oh yeah I dont have blood gauge yet
Is that easy to cap out on?
I guess thats a total game changer because that and Bloodspiller have DA interaction
wet stag
Dungeons become 10x better
kind schooner
Awesome, I guess dungeon DRK totally changes at 70 where warr just gets 6 free beast gauge abilities every minute
paper torrent
Small packs at 70 should be illegal
kind schooner
I did because otherwise I just spam DA Souleater lol
sour solstice
healer aint gonna do it
kind schooner
With tab targeting
kind schooner
Now knowing not to DA my abyssal drain tho should make mana management on trash pulls much easier... that's like 20% of my mana I was throwing out right at the start
I'd go to DA Passenger and have 300 mp shy for passenger and use my DA on syphon strike...
Many times...
boreal edge
da cost almost 2 extra ADs alone
kind schooner
While eating every hit because no blind
boreal edge
for hp and 100 more pot
kind schooner
True, when I have 27.6k HP, regaining 3.5k isnt gonna do much
I'll keep at DRK then, besides my mana issues on trash pulls when I forget just how much DA costs I like it overall more than WAR
Esp unleash
boreal edge
i used to do it in hw til i seen i do 900 more pot without DA
then said fuck it
15 secs faster kill > 7000 hp
kind schooner
And I've also learned, never use C&S unless grit is down and it's DAd. Wow its bad otherwise
Well at least non-artsed it is
That mana regain is pitiful
wet stag
Didn't realise it scaled weirdly
kind schooner
Yeah CandS not artsed either got nerfed or its bad at my level
kind schooner
Ill test again after this dung
wet stag
¯_(ツ)_/¯
kind schooner
That bad in raids?/trials
heavy mist
its fine in raids to me
kind schooner
I can see why youd think DRK is boring, as OT I imagine you just do the soul eater combo over and over and over again
I agree, thats pretty lame compared to laying down them FELL CLEAVES
I just love the aesthetic of DRK so much more than WAR, WAR animations are soo boooooring
Ok so non-arts C&S gave me 884 MP at level 60, and Abyssal Drain costs 972. Dark Arts costs 1768
boreal edge
yeah i said almost 900 mp
kind schooner
Ah ok. Yeah definitely not 20% though, cant see why I'd ever use this as a mana gain tool unless adds spawn and I dont have enough mana to use Unleash
full wave
scenic patrol
Using Abyssal for the pull sounds icky
indigo kraken
Do you get one item from the chest per week in savage raids? (for o5s,o6s,o7s,o8s) or one chest per week?
wet stag
You get one "page" which you can use to buy gear
But all the other drops you gotta roll for
So it's possible you come out of a 2 chest run with all 4 drops or nothing but the page
indigo kraken
So you can re-do one for items from a chest if you didnt get one in the last?
swift shard
once you have cleared you cannot get gear for the week, also the number of chests decreases the more people in the party that have cleared
hybrid rapids
0 cleared current week = 2 chest
1~4 cleared current week = 1 chest
5~8 cleared current week = 0 chest
opal hollow
what are the most useful retainers?
hybrid rapids
the most useful one is the one can gather you materials
you required to craft
if you don't craft just do whatever
quick venture for dyes etc
opal hollow
do the DoL retainers even get that much materials for crafting?
torn kindle
depends on what crafting class specifically.
LTW and a bit of WVR/ALC benefit from a battle retainer due to monster drops.
My current retainers are BLM/MIN/BTN
opal hollow
wait holy shit do the BTN retainers give up to 30 pieces?
opal hollow
ahhh
i was just worried it was just a kind of useless amount like 5-10 for easy to gather stuff
torn kindle
It definitely helps for when you need a ton of something or multiple things at once.
or something that's bothersome to grind for
Like Spoken Blood from a battle retainer
opal hollow
yeah i've been abusing my retainers for that kind of stuff
sounds like DoL retainers are pretty good then
boreal edge
DoL retainers are best
but they are capped on your char lv
so u gotta hate yourself before u start getting juicy stuff
opal hollow
yeah true
paper torrent
I would say DoLs as well, even without crafters
sometimes you can get stupid people to buy shit for way more than it's worth
torn kindle
Humus can sometimes sell really well for being something a level 11 Botanist can gather.
A decent amount of BTN's items are used in furnitures or sometimes in cross-breeding
feral tendon
Question about Eureka!
I am level 1, haven't started it at all
But I have BiS everything except weapon, and don't see diamond weapon as being a possibility
So I figure I should do Eureka, but is it possible to even do now? Are there still people starting at level 1? I want to minimize time
I don't like grinding
paper torrent
Eurkea is no longer time efficent
farm sigma savage + Ex trials for weapons insteads
feral tendon
unfortunately the EX has skill speed
paper torrent
doesn't matter
feral tendon
or else i'd stick with that and be happy
paper torrent
has more WD.
feral tendon
truth, it's definitely better but not quite as good as i was hoping
paper torrent
365 > 355 in every scenario
only certain classes could aruge for anemos
compared to ONLY 360.
feral tendon
well i heard they are improving it in a weeek
to be 365 or 370 or something
or a couple weeks?
paper torrent
probalby not a week
it's coming in 4.38
we just got 4.31
it's probably at least a month out