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Mhmm
It looks like they had M2 already up
They did, yeah
the people running from the group sure didnt help
yeah i'm wondering if there was a particular reason they weren't stacked afterwards
or just 'idk what we're doing cuz first time'
!action whispering wind
Oh, did that have WD up too?
Dang
Well, still shouldn't be bad if they are more prepared
Prolly didn't have Indom + Assize, etc.
time to swiftcast 
Basically White Hole.
WHM regen bubble
Yeah, there's plenty of other things that can be added in to try
possibly having it up before doom starts
so it ticks during the stun
what if
Cover one of the healers
assuming it will nullify the 'stun'
it wont
then nevermind.
it's not a heal check, another elysium group topped off and still wiped
Or run into the wall. Or some real weird answer haha
holy shit imagine running into the wall to survive
but then what happens, Lahabrea ressurects you?
Maybe it's like beyond death
if that was the answer
maybe doom is like living dead sorta
Maybe it's just Beyond Death but disguised as d-- GODDAMMIT RIKA
<3
<3_<3
Ok
Well, mass suicide and edge and spreading out are wrong
You have to use Caster LB seems like
Yeah you do, unless there's something weird with that too
It does
People have gotten past that
And haven't figured out the next thing
Well, at least among groups streaming prog
i mean if it can't hit all of them you can have everyone else burn down the one bit not hit
Chill and await their literal doom
to figuring out how doom works
Yeah
yeah
Just keep spiny plume alive all that time, certainly the answer~
Maybe you have to use playdead emote, lahabrea assumes you're already dead and won't give you doom
Not realistically
A heck of a lot
You can like, burn down maybe 2 bits manually
Maybe 3 but that's really pushing it
Probably just some weird slightly cryptic thing, possibly involving other parts of the fight
Yeah you can't kill all of them without LB
So Lahabrea just shows up and kills you after you kill the bits
Nice
you need lb
wait, when the bits spawn, a healer walks into the wall and dies, the other healer casts raise on them. The bits explode, just as the other healer is coming back, and that healer lb3s....?
γ6 bars of lb
lb3 is used by the healer, not the caster
Explosion likely goes through rez immunity
what if you're in the animation for being ressed
never know until u try
You can't really healer LB3 cheese to try to get around both bits and doom
I dunno haha
Actual answer is probably more interesting anyways
/pray
What if its a tertiary DPS check?
lol
People are theorizing giving previous primals stacks
Did someone actually try /pray?
It wouldn't be anything that involves keyboard
They don't want to screw console players
You can bind that
does ifrit and titan give any stacks?
Its an emote
The fact that doom has a timer instead of just insta death makes me think thereβs still something to be done at that point, but it could also be a misdirection
Ifrit, you can hit nails with eruption
got an orange Godka log
Hit one nail with all eruptions

π€
"Die less than x times or get doomed"
what if you need to arf before you zone in to get a quest item
Zero aether stacks or max stacks are pretty interesting theories
What aether stack?
wind stack from garuda...?
On Garuda it's like, taking the tether with 2 stacks, ifrit it's hitting nails with eruptions or whatever
O
Bombing gaols on titan?
Idk why it would be to not do those things
That would be a big brain red herring out of SE
maybe they need to get https://xivdb.com/status/1591/woken
Folks apparently are trying for it haha

lol hiromu's joking about using yol dance to remove doom now
suddenly need a 60+ crafter/gatherer to do ultimate
eh
people are stuck rn
too early to say
people still haven't seen ultima yet afaik
^
well none of the streamers at least
i would withold judgment on difficulty until people actually clear it day 3 or something
people got too tilted by leaked golden bahamut vid last time 
I was kidding
Happy is trying to force woken stacks on Garuda atm.
But I feel people are progressing faster on this one
Did we see 3 bosses day one last time?
i'm sure wf groups saw to trios
well trios were the major block for a lot of groups
because this seems retarded
this uwu prog sounds fuckin weird
so people need to screw up for all three primal ?
yeah idk
You have to screw up while surviving.
oh wow the Dev team are evil
Crazy
punch urself in the gut while u fight
You have to do mechanics precisely to get woken stacks while not dying in the process.
^
so people getting to the bits and dying have been doing the fight wrong the entire time, gotta start over from scratch now π
It completely changes the primal fights
just send a catgirl to each of the primal to awake them then >.<
this is some galaxy brain shit
But also lets you progress and see all 3 primals mechanics.
Itβs genius. Evil genius.
yeap π
top 10 anime betrayals?
its pretty funny imo lol
so how did people even find out about that !?
What a twist
oh is the woke buff thing confirmed?
Mrhappy seems to have pieced it together?
not confirmed
yeah but has his group gone ahead and executed it
they are trying it
World first just got alot more crazy
uwu has owoken
Everyone have to throw away what they learn over the years and play like a newbie
Neo Ultima is too woke for ff raiders
the Dev just like to watch the world burn
Feels like an extended gavel, but gavel actually had a tooltip
it's mostly confirmed atm
@stable basin combination of datamining and guessing what to do to trigger the effects seen from datamining
yeah, it's possible that they're doing it all for nothing
but
supposedly Woke Garuda leaves behind a puddle when she dies
and someone running into it gets some kind of buff and it disappears
so.. that's definitely a new mechanic
and given how much harder it is than the 'normal' way theyve been doing the fight, people are thinking its intended
Yeah tbh I was thinking it was way easy as it was before
Didn't seemed that ultimate lol
yea lmao, that's the other thing... "I KNEW this fight seemed too easy before, it all makes sense now!@"
Yeah legit like some friends wanted to do that today at morning and I joined em for a bit we reached like 60% first pull. We were like naah
This isn't the fight xD
lmao, maybe
i believe in u
yay!
Yoshi-P playing the loooong game
W O K E
A G A R U D A A W O K E N I N G
just went and checked all my train logs
Sooo
WHM
im still like
high green
blue historic
with that low cpm
which is extra 
healer parses are weird anyway
garuda = cleanse stacks of 2. Ifrit = grow nails by hitting them with eruptions. Titan = ??? maybe something to do with sludge left behind when you blow up gaols
Mr Happy theory:
Breaking Limits allows a person to use an LB3 after an LB3 is used. So:
'Normal LB3' Magitek bits
'Awoken LB3 #1' Healer LB3 after magitek bits
'Awoken LB3 #2' Tank LB3 for Ultima entrance similar to Bahamut
that would be an interesting solution to the mechanic
and pretty fittingly epic tbh
yea, its only a theory for now though T_T
so i guess the idea behind that is one tank, healer and caster get one of each of the puddles left behind by the awoken primals
and chain lb3
only 2 buffs for that in the dats, so Garuda and Ifrit only
yea :3
lol metagaming the prog too
#1529 and #1591
hm i wonder how titan fits in all this then
1526,"Thermal High","The wind has died. Resistance to wind damage is increased."
1527,"Accursed Flame","Sustaining fire damage over time."
1528,"Aetherially Charged","Charged with aether."
1529,"Woken","Overcharged with aether."
1530,"Beyond Limits","Hypercharged with aether."
1578,"Searing Wind","Ignited by white-hot embers and scorching those nearby. Sustaining fire damage over time."
there's also this, which was added in 4.3 (not 4.31)
1547,"True Self","Maximum HP, damage dealt, and HP recovered via healing magic are increased."
I think that's part of the fight though, and it was just added a patch early (SE does that sometimes)
but yeah, this whole thing has me laughing XD it's awesome
Breaking Limits restores LB3
maybe now you need everyone to be full hp?
Specifically for this fight
now we starting the prog guys

exept titan he is a bitch doesn't awake
always sleeping
Kappa
is it confirmed that beyond limit only restores lb bars when the person with the buff uses lb?
Titan's always been Woke
Under the Woke
@last galleon all we know is that Happy's group had the SMN with the buff, and they had him use LB3 to kill the Magitek Bits. Then they had their LB3's refill (and the SMN kept his buff) after the bits died
so they could've healer LB3'd there if they'd been paying close attention
yea o.o
I'm thinking that it'll transform into a different buff later on in the Weapon phase, but i'm just purely guessing
I was thinking that since the tentacles hit twice
there might be a scripted thing where you go DPS LB3 on Bits > Healer LB3 on Doom > Tank LB3 on Post Doom Lahabrea bullshit
thats possible yea
yeah, that seems likely at this point
and maybe the 3s of doom before it goes off is for lb3?
like he gets hella mad you somehow survived that
then after.. we'll see!
i wondered for a while why they even bothered to give a timer instead of just insta kill at that point
and then just drops Ultima Weapon with a raid wide AOE that insta wipes without Tank LB3
like divine judgement
in the meanwhile ranged LB3 cries in distance
I'm gonna die laughing if Ultima appears before a 2s cast of Ultima
Like, "You thought you'd pre-cast? NOT THIS TIME, NERDS"
So I was told if 40k or more hp was restored Doom automatically clenses
so lb3
topping off tanks probably takes more than 40k and they still died in that one clip
huh i guess in that clip they had a shield and tanks didn't quite lose 40k. i still kidna doubt normal healing would be able to cleanse it though.
Yeah, it drops you to 1hp, not a portion of HP, so to top of nearly anyone, you should be above 40k
At least, that's what Happy was saying
and with the beyond limit buff people have discovered it seems unlikely that normal healing is the solution to that doom mechanic
in that case you won't need to wake both garuda and ifrit if you only need one lb3 recharge
guys
what if this is meant to train you the way the fight works
and Ultima will every rotation check his aether levels
and if they are too charged or under charged he wipes you
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Under charged means you get Doomed
Over charged means his Ultima will kill everyone
Ifrit = hit his nails with eruptions, then kill the nails lol
what if Beyond Limits
Hey Hez, is there a HQ of this icon?
is a call out to the skill Limit Break
Which drastically pushed the cap of a character's damage (9999 -> 99999)
someone linked the xivdb page earlier https://xivdb.com/status/1591/woken
Ah
yea, there's that too
https://i.imgur.com/61CzJnr.jpg Yoshida to all Ultimate raiders when they realized they've wasted the last 12 hours doing the entire fight wrong
kek.
I think he'd be grinning instead
lol, probably
just grinning.
Oh dear. You mean if you do it what seems like the right way you actually screw yourself and don't find out till a later phase?
yeah
because I feel like I have cancer now
that's what they found out nadine
Not that that really surprises me come to think of it
you have to fail in garuda and ifrit in the CORRECT way
JRPGs have always loved screwball mechanics like that, I'm surprised it took this long for xiv to get them
nah we've had em
Now I'm thinking of things like Demifiend from DDS1 :D
How much does determination have an impact on BRD DPS?
sitting at 2300 crit, 660 det, 1400 DH, 1400 SKS
Not doing the DPS i'd like to
having a SCH and DRG in your comp will matter much more than any kind of determination you stack
I had both of them
you are missing like 300-400 det if we consider current bard BiS, but it depends on what you mean by the DPS you'd like to be doing. that missing det won't magically give you 10 percentile perf increase, for example.
Idk my SkS is pretty high, I need more mendacity gear cause half of the savage gear ain't doing me too good
5.2-5.5K in O6S
what wep?
Tsuku
6k is 90 perf for bard lol. i wouldn't use that as the standard.
but yeah, i agree with your point. det won't get you a noticeable increase.
crit is king on brd
Yeah don't do that
I just need the mendacity restriction to be lifted
cause half of the savage gear for BRD is shit
not gonna happen until like one month before 4.4
tbf i don't go bard this tier so i can't tell if 50 perf with tsuku weapon is fine or not, but if you're looking to improve your dps substats is not where i'd start looking
what main are you @last galleon
smn
@wet stag i tried 6
they get blasted by goddess the whole time
Yeah
Usually healers and ranged are paint bitch just depends on what paint
rip typhoon bitch
"No CDs"
Whenever he died
Like
Do you need those cds bud
Last time i checked the only thing you have to fucking do
they do need to save some for last kiss
Is kiss
What tank was the ot
I'm assuming pld?
If it's the ot
Just sheltron sentinel
Actually I'm fairly certain sheltron rampart is enough
2 WAR
pf LUL
like im 99% sure I couldve played that way better
yeah im sitting there with my usual 16 cpm
because im retarded
Double warrior is actually one of the only times that fucks you up
RIP
And yes, can confirm that Rapmart/Sheltron is enough. But it's spooky as fuck
1 rampart 
After the first spawn of goddess
You literally just use Rampart on cooldown
Gale --> Rampart after
Ez
Pz
Akso
I should get my exdad clear so I can enter ucob
It sounds like you're probably trying to anticipate mechanics.
Which is just
Learning when things actually go out
casting the suboptimal thing is better than not casting anything
dummy fight aint got nothin to do with it
Ah
I found the problem
my MO macro casted regen on the wrong target twice

coincidentally right where he died
I click the party list
same
im too used to hover healing
I havent healed savage or ex bc frankly that shit terrifies me
But that's what I do in roulettes
i'm too distrusting of macros
Maybe I should just swap to tank main tho
im finding it kinda hard to focus on 4 things
Tanking is pretty 
Rdm main
ah
sounds perfect
but seriously tho
that felt harder than 5
by a substantial amount
from a healing perspective
like god
the fight looks so easy from a tank/dps side of things
but the healing just felt crushing
yeah o6s is a striking dummy for dps
DRK is pretty comfy in o6s
!whoclasses @sour solstice
im almost there
I remember seeing an aoe destroying gaols instantly even though they still had hp by an aoe, maybe that's how you awaken titan, but only after awakening garuda and ifrit before getting titan
lol that arcanist 6
its my "potd and shoot the shit with my bud" class
See I can handle AoE healing
for some reason healing both tanks is just 
Its probably because I played Holy in wow
so I didnt have to heal both tanks
I just healed one and they were magically both full HP

o8s prog is basically wait for healers to figure out healing rotation prog
My o8s prog was wait for Faye to stop fucking up prog
im gonna keep tryin tho
maybe someday ill even hit 1 cast every 3 fucking seconds

just spam that stone button just do it
Ahk stone 4 
savage is bad
Autohotkey
Verstoned

So do we know how to wake titan yet
it may not be possible since there is no woke buff for titan
according to the dataminers
i'm so confused rn
about titan woke status
someone speaking on twitch chat that there is a dialogue after all
according to reddit post
idk my life anymore in ff14
full of lies

and if the theory about lb3 chain is correct, you don't need three people to have beyond limit status
So the theory is like
Caster LB3 to kill adds -> Healer LB3 to cleanse Doom -> Tank LB3 to not die
Or smth?
Iβd love for someone to skip woke ifrit and just find out if healer lb 3 cleanses doom. And maybe see what wipes you afterwards.
same
just to find out
but inb4 you have to have them both or it doesn't matter
as in, the doom is not cleansed without both
seems like they found out what the buff does it gives the person the opportunity to use lb3 without using up the bars
but also means that a caster needs to eat one buff too right? for the magitek bits
my theory is that anyone in the pt having it will reset the LB after its used, it doesn't have to be a specific job.. but we'll see
@wet stag I agree. But when it comes to certain people and certain mechanics, you have to be pedantic and accurate. Someone will watch the video or do the fight and see their LB bar disappear, then come around bitching that "YOU GUYS LIED MY LB BARS GOT USED UP!" before they realize they refilled..
Saves a headache letter from idiots, to be pedantic now :\
yeah I can totally see that happen lmao
They shouldnt be in uwu in the first place 
Though, if itβs any job I wonder why they donβt make it a party wide stacking buff
Itβs a single target buff right now so it makes you wonder
I think people are going to give it to caster and healer to be safe
yea, probably
if it would be party wide stacking buff you couldn't gather two tho? o3o
we'll see if the Weapon phase at the end does anything with the buff later, so we'll see
For all we know, you'll get done with these three, get into the Ultima part of the fight
and then have all three out again and ultima
for all we know gaius/lahabrea/etc could come into it
when folks were on nael, other than when the datamines happened, we couldn't have known about the transition with phoenix ye?
we knew
because of the datamines
we just didnt know like how it was done
yeah
we knew about the phoenix buff
Nobody knows if we will be fighting ultima or laha yet
yeah there was a buff
On phase 4
i'm just saying if they aren't using new NAMES
there's nothing to be found in datamine ye?
theres buffs
no i mean
-rubs temples-
I mean we can't disprove until the fight is done that there won't be weird shit like having to fight laha or something yeah?
is this correct?
Someone was saying
What if you need to use ranged lb3 to hit oob laha
Which would be hilarious ngl
That actually seems like a genius mechanic
this woke mechanic is genius
they literallly baited all of the world first teams
Iβm a filthy casual waiting for guides
Late is good
So you wonβt read those guides released earlier just for the sake of gaining views
An actual guide have to confirm and verify each mechanic
Back in a11s, a good guide have to know hp % to skip certain mechanic
Bad guide just record what they have seen
I love graehl guides too but I think his o5s came out like two months into the tier or something
Yeah
but ur lala is ugly
MTQ has generally been pretty good balance between speed and non cancer strat
Your ugly
Tsun have you seen grael's guides
ur ugly
They're actually so good
I didnβt said itβs bad
what's the current status btw on ultimate ?
@last galleon "mitigate and heal and necessary"
anyone got past the doom ?
I just said text guide is faster
"mitigate and heal as necessary"
A good guide is fine to be late
MTQ guide is short and missing details
More like an overview of the fight
Rather than an actual guide

I think the most lethal one was a12s
Omg
The tether
She only mentioned one set of pattern
But there were more patterns that she missed
I just use powerful JP overlord guides these days
I do respect her added them back later when received criticizing
But yes, you canβt just take footages of players who actually cleared it
And make it as your part of guide
Instead of doing it yourself
Mrhappy just beat Woke Ifrit
and then titan RIP
titan can be woke fml
yea, fml
this changes what I know about Status effects then, lmao
coulda sworn on my life that every single effect was tied to one enemy/boss, but apparently they can share.
good job dataminers
Mrhappy just figured out how to awaken Titan
he thinks he has lmao, he's gotta put it into practice though
to me it looks like killing the Gaol does it, but eh
I think he would've gotten woke stacks in earlier attempts if it was simply from killing gaols near him
yea.. true
Is that last gaol supposed to drop a puddle?
something about 'chain it to the far side and walk him through it'
yeah I thought I had seen it earlier on a stream
but a gaol exploded via one of those bombs, can explode another gaol near it
so you can kinda chain them in a line
and make a line of those puddles
"we need him standing in an aoe"
The last gaol doesn't spawn a puddle and kinda glows. But I may just be seeing things
"chain the bomb explosions to the other side of the room"
Happy's doing his final pull of the night
yea
How far did Xeno get? I didn't get to watch much of his progression
"GOD THEY DID SUCH A GOOD JOB! WE THOUGHT THEY WERE SHIT BUT WE WERE WRONG!"
ultimate making people rethink SQEX's minds
yarp
would be hilarious in the future
if they redid some of these fights again
and had the woken status as a bait
It's almost like sqex generally knows what they're doing
lmao yea
Bruh
I'd like to know who did this fight
π£
I'll bet it was Mr Ozma
yeh i know lemme see if i can find it
\o/
Mr Ozma is a man to be feared
I wonder who did Construct 7.
Probably a math teacher.
F
yea he's done for the day lol
I wonder how much regression will happen tomorrow 
hmm guess we dont have a source yet, but people are believing its him π€
probably gotta wait for yoshi to confirm
Get woke
fug
anyone know of another good eng stream
or do I need to just learn to speak weeb
speak weeb
sheeeet
This is making me wanna learn ucob tbh
have you done exdad
I'm kinda hoping I can get carried through
I doubt it
I'll see if my static wants to run exdad
Since a couple other people haven't cleared it either
kek doesn't give you ucob
but you can get carried through exdad with current gear levels
also whew, i wonder what you need three beyond limit buffs for then, assuming that woke titan also gives a beyond limit
also would be hilarious if they did something to the status effects to deliberately troll dataminers
lawl
SE playing this troll game on too many dimensions
Tot just got his views increased 6-fold
hosted yea
tot is the one getting world first on this
tbh I though he was some kind of troller player
he is actually working out on titan awake
π€
He's pretty funny, but he has beaten UCoB
The power of memes /s
lol, they were talking about needing to work on Ifrit earlier.. then a minute later they're working on Titan's enrage?
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
@blazing pelican yes
that dab tho
lmao yea
nou
I feel like the woke mechanics feel like a nod to when you get the crystals froom garuda ifrit and titan in ARR
O4s looks like a fuckin mess
GRAND CROSS OMEGA
Exfaust seems ok tho
yea @lament dawn I agree π
O4S isn't bad
Exdad is easy if nobody screws up but if one person goofs everything dies instantly
I mean isn't exdad p much clearable even if a dps dies
Since you just burn through the dps check now anyway
i mean now i'm sure the fight is a joke in 370 gear
if a healer dies you might still wipe though

you still have to do GCO
it isn't a joke
you still wipe to it
but much much more forgiving
or healer lb3 it
neo is so braindead easy it's almost o6s level
big omnipositional fucker that doesn't even auto iirc
Famous Apple jinx
yes that's me
π€€

ugh trying to get a 04s party together or finding one is brutal
i just wanna unlock ult raids already lol
If you donβt have a group, it will be terrible to progress ucob
ikr
your data center?
hyperion
no i meant are u looking through data center
and yeah o4s gonna be hard to find clears nowadays
what, the party finder?
it used to be locked to world-only
now it's datacenter-wide
yeah because of that, you can try to find a static group for that
its on you to find one
because that's current
you'll see more interest in ucob statics but
you need to clear 4s and that's where you're at
you'll simply just have to have patience.
well perhaps tackle sigma first? then convince the group to do delta + ucob?
Either party disbands after 3-4 or ppl leave before party is fully formed
And no haven't tried that yet
@heady widget what data center are you on
Hyperion
Oh
eg primal/aether
oh hyperion is primal yeah
i can help you with o4s if you need a dps at some point, just ping me
I made a cross world linkshell
So I could add ppl who'd be down for raids anytime
I'll make sure to hit you up
Would anyone else be willing to help me out?
Anybody know what BIS for SAM?
why?
well happen to pop royal city for roulette
they annoying af
all the bosses lol
but ridorana
oh boy
construct 7 and yiaz
quickmaths
ok correct me if i'm wrong but uh....a monk should be doing bootshine more than
twice
in lakshmi right?
cuz man this monk.... with 52 dragon kicks, is that....is that using it instantly?
yep
should be alternating between dragon kick and bootshine if they're doing the rotations right
as far as my knowledge goes about monk
Aye
as a monk
this just....doesn't look right, is it right?
They used one ilm punch
Kek
4 wind tackles and only one Riddle of Wind

That Monk is horrible
so is it as bad as I think it is? lol
I KNEW IT WASN'T JUST ME
LMFAO
he didn't even die
he didn't even die yall
One Ilm punch shouldn't even be on your hotbars
needless to say we left that 'farm' party
the drk's best attack was an auto during confusion, too, so
it was hilarious tho
Wondering when that "advanced" tutorial is coming
To at least teach what a basic rotation is to lvl 70 players
i would like to learn lool
Read a guide
There are guides for almost every job
Partied with a PLD who used all defense cooldowns before a pull 
yea im trying to become more flexible with other classes
so even as a 52 pld im still a noob
cuz i recently started trying lvl up my tank class
so getting used to playing tank again
tho im a dps main
52 pld
Goring halone halone repeat
That's your rotation
When you get royal authority replace halone with that
Also press your defensives
Also used Cover on random party members
Gotta give credit for that at least

Many forget it exists in general
i replaced cover since i thought i didnt really need it atm
Exhibit a
I guess it's only very slightly useful while leveling
But it's so good in raids lol
raid means something very specific in the NA ffxiv community
"alliance raids" and "normal mode raid" are not "raiding"
*no
they're casual content
most advanced knowledge about this game only applies to savage raiding
extreme primals are midcore
and then "raiding" is savage and ultimate
i only got 1 lvl 70 class which is mnk
my main is Warrior and my off job is Monk
so ive done most of alexander savage
most as in??
I wouldn't take savage so far down as being casual content
midas and gordias?
when relevant?
*left
Savage is midcore now
then you're good enough


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