endgame-lounge

[steep iris]

was that a clear party?

[royal granite]

loot/farm

[steep iris]

oh

[languid shuttle]

ah yes, the farm group that can't even get one clear

[glossy musk]

Farm parties that wipe at 80%

True endgame

[royal granite]

so, cleared byakko again still no RDM weapon... and the lead disbanned the farm party, after our first clear. :/

[glossy musk]

Nice

[royal granite]

probably because he got what he wanted, the DRK weapon.

[sour solstice]

well

at most it takes you 10 pulls

thanks totems

[royal granite]

10 clears,

[grizzled seal]

you can join duty complete now

should be too bad

[royal granite]

i am doing duty complete

deels like i had fewer wipes in duty incomplete/practice groups though

[grizzled seal]

i thought you cleared just a few minutes ago

[royal granite]

my second clear

[grizzled seal]

ah

[glossy musk]

He’s like

Farm successful nigga

I got mine

[royal granite]

looks like people still cant reliably clear byakko... one clear in.... 6 hours. thought it would be alot easier after my first clear.

[steep iris]

yeah, pf sucks

[glossy musk]

Jesus

[stable basin]

actually it's not uncommon for farm groups to be unreliable

especially compared to clear and even practice groups, and also Savage weekly groups

there's a couple reasons for that

mostly boiling down to "people are impatient af"

the thing the clear and Savage groups have in common, of course, is that you're only looking to get the one kill eventually (unless it's clear then farm; in the case of Savage, you don't get anything but tomestones for spam farming it), so people frequently stay together unless it's clearly hopeless

farm groups are thinking about how long it's going to take to get a series that way, so they tend to be less patient, also a lot of people get a rickety skin of the teeth clear and instead of doing another clear or two so they've really got it down pat they rush straight to farms

get several people with such clears, and suddenly your farm group is very shaky

[sullen sable]

[normal mesa]

no the reason farms are unreliable is cuz people join before they actually have it on farm. Could call it impatience sure but...

[royal granite]

i mean, how could they not have it on farm when the ones i'm joining are duty complete?

[dull radish]

you can be carried to a clear

especially on easier content

get that clear, get rid of that bonus

but still have little to no idea of what you're doing

[opal hollow]

It disappoints me everytime I see someone who clearly did not deserve to clear queue up with duty complete/farm

Why would anybody carry these people especially in savage

[high ether]

galaxy brain: buy a clear for Ultimate, then join an Ultimate farm party

[royal granite]

so, in 8 hours, i've cleared byakko twice.. this is gonna be a horrible grind.

[sour solstice]

I mean

Eureka is still an option

[royal granite]

last i heard, eureka wasnt implemented yet.

[steady pebble]

Eureka's been in since 4.25

[sour solstice]

who the fuck said that

[steady pebble]

we're getting the second zone in 4.36

[royal granite]

let me rephrase that, eureka is shit and needs to be removed.

[wet stag]

There it is

[steady pebble]

ahhh

[wet stag]

The "eureka is shit" comment

[steady pebble]

big difference between

"I don't like this content"

and "this content isn't in the game yet"

[wet stag]

I mean

[outer garden]

as in, one is opinion and one is a damn lie? lol

[wet stag]

The paissasquint implies he was being facetious

[steady pebble]

Emojis dont mean anything to me >.>

[wet stag]

[royal granite]

[steady pebble]

SPEAK IN ENGLISH, CHILD

[wet stag]

[steady pebble]

goddamn kids these days

[sour solstice]

[steady pebble]

and their emojis

[sour solstice]

you're less than 30 you cant say that

[steady pebble]

fk u im old as shit phyiscally

[sour solstice]

[steady pebble]

while simultaneously looking like im 13 yrs old

while sounding like im a 12 yr old boy

[sour solstice]

IIRC you said you were twenty.... seven?

[steady pebble]

somewhere around there

I dont count because I didnt pass 3rd grade math

[outer garden]

get off my lawn youngin

[sour solstice]

Girl 27 aint old as shit

[steady pebble]

27 is the new 60

[wet stag]

Having issues with construct 7, grandma?

[steady pebble]

yes

always

[sour solstice]

FUCK

I forgot to do Ridorana

now I gotta do the monday crew

[steady pebble]

if you need trash side kick, can just yell at me

[royal granite]

well, lala's compared to other races are smaller so theoretically can fit in smaller aoe gaps.

[sour solstice]

[paper torrent]

Um

[blazing pelican]

Everyone has the same size hitbox. It's in the dead center of your target circle when you select yourself

[royal granite]

that's why i said thoretically, if the model size was taken into accoumt

[torn kindle]

All statics composed entirely of lalafells
A dream come true.

[sullen sable]

Bless

[sour solstice]

dream this

[torn kindle]

You'd have PFs saying "No Male Roes allowed"

which is also a good thing

[barren grove]

I want the lalafell to do their marketboard emote routine as they blatantly fail mechanics.

[hybrid rapids]

@royal granite

What happened next?

[torn kindle]

I've seen a lalafell get closer to a twister without it exploding.

nearly on top of it

[wet stag]

[royal granite]

dont know what fight that is so dont know whats going on.

[wet stag]

If the lalafells touches either one of the swirly things it's instance death

[hybrid rapids]

He didn’t touched It visually

The target circle did

[high ether]

twisters

[royal granite]

why are people suddenly excluding RDM's from byakko ex?

[wet stag]

Bc rdm has shit dps eks dee

[royal granite]

[wet stag]

I mean it's true that it's at the bottom out of all dps

But it's not like it's detrimental or anything

[royal granite]

i have never once heard that

[wet stag]

If you're not clearing BC you're bringing a rdm it's probably a party you don't wanna join

[high ether]

what

when has dps been an issue in byakko ex

[wet stag]

Like week 1

[high ether]

people are so bad

[royal granite]

theres like 6 groups up for byakko right now, all but one are duty complete, i can only join the single practice oen cause they dont have RDM removed

[sour solstice]

and pfs

[high ether]

yeah skip any group that has RDM removed

they are bad

they think the meta is their only hope

[barren grove]

i thought practice liked their dc raises

Have you sent a /tell

[royal granite]

doesnt really matter now, already in byakko with this practice group

[steep iris]

dont even know why you'd lock out an rdm unless it's a parse run/there's already an rdm/caster

I don't trust pugs to not die

[glossy musk]

RDM is gross

[hybrid rapids]

No bulli rdm

I never see any party filtered rdm except speed/parse run

[sour solstice]

[barren grove]

Help some practice group on the current primal. Oneshot it. Meanwhile in "clear for a friend"...

[hybrid rapids]

Just leave

I don’t even know what’s the point of saying clear for a friend

Same to bonus party

[barren grove]

I know, tried it a week ago

[hybrid rapids]

If it’s a completion party the say it’s a completion but recruiter cleared

Not sure if it’s influenced by NA/EU

JP PUG starting to abuse players who cleared

completion part but locked to complete duty only
I’ve reached enrage, players who cleared can join but only 4 allowed since I want the chest.

There isn’t any thank you

If you helped them

Also

Speed run party, only players with high dps. Players who reached enrage can join as well. (ps: recruiter haven’t clear)

[lucid karma]

🔥 ♿ 🔥

[stable basin]

Learning party must have UCOB title

[hybrid rapids]

Those are cancerous and there is a lot

Some bunny ex party recruit only players with 370/375 weapon

They got enough of shitter

Waiting to get carry

[barren grove]

The decent players probably all went to that practice party because it was the only non-Cfof entry

only saw like.. 2 achievements?

[hybrid rapids]

Learning party with ucob title is fine if the recruiter has the title as well

That’s fair

[torn kindle]

This is where I would insert the PF picture of "Clear for a friend" and it only has the PL

[scenic patrol]

PL....

KURWA!

[blazing pelican]

You can be good at this game and still be bad

Source: me.

[true lark]

kurwa..

[scenic patrol]

Hi kiwi

🥝

[cunning forum]

anyone got a link to the "accepted" moon primal strategy/method

[true lark]

/p ■ Nightfall
/p 　GUN: Behind Boss (Stack)
/p 　Spear: Spread by roles
/p 　　　 
/p 　　 ＼ T ／　(Front:North) 
/p 　Ｈ ☆ Ｈ　
/p 　　 ／ D ＼ 
/p 　　　 
/p ■ Adds
/p  Ranged:MT　Melee:ST
/p ■ Meteors
/p 　Ｔ: （Smaller Area）
/p 　Ｈ:  or （Larger Area）
/p 　Ｄ:  （Smaller Area）
/micon "Lunar Totem" item

wait lemme put that in code

[cunning forum]

❤

[blissful solstice]

Okay I'm confused about Eureka

I'm elemental level 5 because I've just been killing weak mobs and doing challenge log

What am I supposed to be moving towards

[hybrid rapids]

@blissful solstice group up to farm while waiting for NM spawn

[silver kindle]

Eureka is a fake spam fuckfest best way to levels to join the train, have fun

[sour solstice]

... no?

log is faster

for early levels

[wet stag]

Log is p fast for late levels too

[steep iris]

1% wipe on a possibly 95% historical for me

on o7s

😭 😭 😭

[frosty stag]

what's the ilvl for Tsukuyomi EX?

[steep iris]

350 @frosty stag

[frosty stag]

okay ty

[silver kindle]

Maybe your group member should die less

Maybe your tanks and healers should DPS more

I give these tips for free

[stable basin]

... owo

someone's claiming this on reddit "Byakko EX is no longer in the Raid Finder, therefore LB is no longer penalized for duplicate jobs. Only content under the Raid Finder has an LB penalty for duplicate jobs."

... is that even actually the case that only RF content has the LB penalty for duplicates and DF does not?

I find that hard to believe.

[wet stag]

Byakko RF always allowed dupe jobs

I rmb getting double whm once

But idk if lb gen is still affected

[stable basin]

yeah, that's not what they meant, they're claiming that whether the duplicate job penalty is in effect on LBs is dependent on whether or not the instance is a High-End (RF) Duty or a normal (DF) one

I've actually never heard of anything about that before. I kind of have a gut feeling it might be the case (since it didn't seem to matter the comp we bring to A12N, the one fight in the game where you absolutely must have LB3 by design), but I'm not sure

[blazing pelican]

@stable basin the mobs in A12N are programmed to give you huge chunks of LB when you kill them. Comp doesn't matter at all. Same for 12S, to the extent that you could possibly use ranged LB2 on the adds if you played your cards right

[lyric summit]

you get LB penalty for double jobs in all content i'm pretty sure

[supple sail]

only in premades I'm pretty sure

which is probably where the confusion comes in.

[dark hull]

what DPS should I be doing as an i350 smn with an anemos weapon? wanna know exactly how far off I am

[wet stag]

Seems like that could be quite a bit higher

Aim for 5k

Check blue parse on fflogs

[dark hull]

what fight?

[wet stag]

O6s

[dark hull]

this?

[trim cloak]

Do the percentiles assume BiS?

Or are they broken down into gear ranges?

[wet stag]

They're not broken down

[dark hull]

I'm pretty sure that's just all people who cleared

[hybrid rapids]

you don't compare actual fight wtih your dummy

[wet stag]

But they don't assume bis either

They just clump it

@hybrid rapids that's why I told him to check blue

And not purple/orange

[hybrid rapids]

fflog is bad

just beat dummy

and you're good

there're a lot variance on fflog

[dark hull]

I didn't :(

then again I tried to kill the god kefka one

[hybrid rapids]

you can't just take it and compare

[scenic patrol]

Why is fflogs bad?

[wet stag]

[hybrid rapids]

ilvl 350 as in?

full equipment 350?

[scenic patrol]

Blue parses for O6S are perfect to compare to

O6S is a dummy fight after all

[hybrid rapids]

[scenic patrol]

With full uptime

[hybrid rapids]

i can do blue with 370

no?

[wet stag]

If his skill level is purple he'd be parsing blue with shit gear

[hybrid rapids]

i can do blue with 350 too

[wet stag]

Yeah but it's not what you should aim for

[hybrid rapids]

my first o6s clear was purple as a 340 sch

[wet stag]

Aiming for blue with 350 is fine

Tsun that's not the point I'm making

[hybrid rapids]

you can't just take it as a "standard"

[scenic patrol]

Healer dps is a whole nother topic

[hybrid rapids]

to compare with a dummy

dummy is dummy

[scenic patrol]

But it's the closest to it

[hybrid rapids]

actual fight is actual fight

[scenic patrol]

Not disproving that

But O6S is a great benchmark this tier

[hybrid rapids]

party synergy and comp etc all affecting the variance

yes, agree

[wet stag]

Yeah but it provides a good number for him to work towards on a dummy

[hybrid rapids]

but that's when you're doing o6s

not a dummy fight

[wet stag]

With party buffs he'd could be pushed up to a purple

[hybrid rapids]

in short, dummy is good to practice rotation

actual fight is good to practical

[wet stag]

Yeah but you can practice all you want, but what's the point if you don't know where you goal is?

[hybrid rapids]

ilvl 350 can be some part 360 and some 320

[wet stag]

That's why I told him to check blue for o6s, so he knows what numbers he should be putting out on a dummy to get purple on o6s

[hybrid rapids]

it would be better to know the gear

[dark hull]

I'm still shit at SMN

I keep dropping DoTs

[hybrid rapids]

anyway, 4.4k is quite low on dummy

[dark hull]

just want some kind of marker of what to aim for

[hybrid rapids]

basically you want to wait for aetherflow to CD even you have bahamut ready

[dark hull]

gear's trash. relic armor is +1, weapon is anemos, only accessories are melded

yeah, know that

cause wyrmwaves

[hybrid rapids]

correct

[wet stag]

Aim for 5.7k

But don't get too discouraged if you can't get it

5.3-5.5k is acceptable

As long as you keep improving

[dark hull]

fair enough

[hybrid rapids]

you can't beat a dummy with ilvl 350....

i meant godka...

maybe 360/365

definitely not 350

maybe with a chocobo

😂

[dark hull]

yeah, makes sense

[hybrid rapids]

practice you rotations

is more important

up to muscle memory

[dark hull]

got o6s one to 10% though

[hybrid rapids]

actual fight you have to move a lot

[dark hull]

yeah, still working on it

[hybrid rapids]

and use role action

such as addle, diversion, surecast, apoc

etc

[dark hull]

I only recently started practicing SMN, mostly played RDM before that

is there much point to Surecast on SMN?

[hybrid rapids]

not on rotation

[dark hull]

no knockback is nice I guess, but otherwise, casting ruin 2 isn't that much of a potency loss

[hybrid rapids]

it's more fight dependent

more on pre-positioning

you really don't want to simply move

when summoned bahamut

small step is fine

big move is a no no

[dark hull]

yeah, makes sense

and I guess getting knocked back with bahamut out is not a good idea either

[hybrid rapids]

correct

so it's not about ruin II only

theory and practical is both important in an actual fight

[daring berry]

my RDM is ilv357 and i barely beat the o8s dummy

barely as in kill it just as timer hits 0

so some times i fail, sometimes i pass because it may hit 0 before i get the last hit in lol

[hybrid rapids]

personally i do dummy to practice rotations...

instead to actually beat it...

maybe you need to use meal and/or pot

then summon a chocobo

[daring berry]

tbh RDM's dps isnt that great so im surprised i can even kill it.

even though it's on the dot.

[supple sail]

dummy is balanced for your job.

get better gear and lern rotashun

[daring berry]

yeah i have the rotation

just dont really have the gear

i should really go clear rabanestre

and get the coins to upgrade my 360

[lyric summit]

the RDM dummy is pretty tight, plus the job is really proc dependent so you can't really improve in any way other than praying, after you get the rotation down

[stable basin]

f i n a l l y https://i.imgur.com/aZmfxww.jpg

can't believe it took me 3 days to find a competent group

i did the mechanisc flawlessly but dropped dots/song a couple times due to focusing so hard on making sure people were doing it right

[vital cypress]

can’t believe it only took 3 days

[stable basin]

only? are you telling me you've had a worse time?

[daring berry]

it took me like 5 days (starting from patch day) to get a run where i finally cleared

and funnily enough it was from Duty Finder no less.

[stable basin]

i was waaaay too busy crafting and whatnot

and i also hadn't done any high-end duties since lakshmi/susano

so i was uh

a bit out of practice

[daring berry]

this is my 1st extreme lol.

havent done savage before

[stable basin]

i did O1S and O2S when they first came out

but other than that

no savage for me either

[daring berry]

the probable reason why we cleared is because the JP datacenter i'm in all uses the same strat.

hell, even without macros we can clear now.

[stable basin]

yeah there's like 4 different strats goign around on EU

[boreal edge]

@stable basin spoiler filing report

[stable basin]

wait hwat

[boreal edge]

you posted primal pic

[stable basin]

i-is that not allowed

[boreal edge]

time to report you to FBI and CIA

[stable basin]

i'm english

they have no jurisdiction over me

[boreal edge]

they have right to arrest you anywhere in the world

anyway was joking

[stable basin]

only if the country extradites them

[boreal edge]

gz on kill tho

[stable basin]

ty

got monk weapons too

had a monk in the party but he didn't need em and i won the greed roll by 5

[boreal edge]

[stable basin]

time to level monk i guess xd

[boreal edge]

why

[stable basin]

well i was gonna get around to it anyway

[boreal edge]

its shit wep after all

sks

[daring berry]

Thanks Obama WHM

[boreal edge]

🤢

[stable basin]

don't you wanna go fast?

[boreal edge]

nope

[stable basin]

why is it always the WHM that are shit

[boreal edge]

cause its easiest healer

all baddies are playing it

[daring berry]

basically the WHM went to safe spot too early and got all the dps hit by nightfall.

at least the one that wasnt dropping the meteor

[boreal edge]

@daring berry u guys shouldnt die if 5 ppl soaking it

its barely 200k hit

[daring berry]

he didnt heal the 1st one

[outer garden]

@boreal edge hey, i resemble that comment

i'm offended at the truth

[boreal edge]

thats your problem then

[outer garden]

rude

whatever happened to safe spaces

[boreal edge]

but meeting bad ast/sch is somewhat uncommon to me

[daring berry]

it's always the whm mang

[boreal edge]

bad whms are common

[outer garden]

yeah, usually you have to kind of have your shit together to do the other 2 healers

whm you can get away with oh shit buttons

[daring berry]

died before meteor phase end and accepted raise when meteor phase end and immediately dies again to AOE.

[boreal edge]

they need to put that invulnerable buff tbh

few ppl know that doing any action remove invulnerability

[daring berry]

mfw people accepts raise during meteor phase

[boreal edge]

even if u did

should do 0 dmg

[dull radish]

some things do still go through, especially debuffs

[boreal edge]

not like 3 stacks thats last 1 min of vulnerabilty will make fight alot harder than it is

only certain few mechanics goes through that invisible buff

enrage is top one

followed by 1 hp mechanics

tethered mechanics goes through invulnerability

like mad heads

[dull radish]

there's a decent number of things that just go through just because

[stable basin]

Yeah my quip is usually that hallowed was designed by the guys that wrote extended warranty terms for retailers lol

Invulnerability in this game is so conditional :p

[wet stag]

the only 2 things that go though invulns are mechanics and enrages

idk what you mean by conditional

[lavish cobalt]

Why is the skillspeed stat less impactful for some roles like drg?

[stable basin]

Sometimes too much skill speed messes up GCD timings

[sour solstice]

well, for DRG specifically it has a bit to do with clipping, and a bit to do with buff timings

[dull radish]

It's mostly just that the other stats scale better for them

[sour solstice]

• crit is better on them due to Battle Litany

[dull radish]

Even disregarding buffs, the other stats will give more value than speed

[sour solstice]

yeah

SKS/PS is only good for certain thresholds on some classes

and I think theres some meme SAM builds that use a lot of it

[stable basin]

Apparently DRG frequently double weave OGCDs as well which makes sks a pain

[dull radish]

It's not really a big deal

[sour solstice]

trying to double weave with jump tho

[stable basin]

PLD doesn't like too much sks either because some PLD actions don't benefit from it so optimal timing gets skewed

[dull radish]

You're really overthinking things

[stable basin]

But yeah in general there's almost always a better stat to meld (we can't really help that a lot of gear this tier seems intentionally designed with non optimal stats)

[wet stag]

sam would disagree

[sour solstice]

thats some meme shit

[wet stag]

i mean its not really tho

speed sam is bis

mainly because sam gets most of its damage from its gcds rather than ogcds

[sour solstice]

fair enough

wonder why it doesnt function that way for BLM then

[dull radish]

it works similarly

[sour solstice]

I meant why sps is not bis for BLM

[dull radish]

it's a BiS

[zinc vortex]

DUDE I LOVE

[dull radish]

in a non crit comp it's really good

[zinc vortex]

MY 2.2K SKILLSPEED SAM

VERY FAST

[sour solstice]

ah

I see

[wet stag]

fuck im stealing that wheelchair

[sour solstice]

same

[dull radish]

like in balance we have a document in the pins, comparing different sets

vastly different builds

[sour solstice]

ah

[zinc vortex]

crit build 🤢

sks build 😌

[sour solstice]

im not in the BLM channel

[dull radish]

all within less than a percent difference

well, estimated difference

top are unmelded diamond and tome, no itemization, just full set of both gear

the rest are various combination of melds

and expected improvement

[sour solstice]

.51% between best on the list and worst

waow

[zinc vortex]

yikes

[sour solstice]

thats like

A whole 35 dps or something

[dull radish]

alternatively get another F4 in there somewhere

bonus points if you get more than one

[zinc vortex]

its week 18ish and i still dont have a bis set for blm completed

[dull radish]

colorful <3

[sour solstice]

stealling it

[zinc vortex]

[wet stag]

its week 18 ish and i dont have bis for drk

[zinc vortex]

lol haha this guy

plays drk

[sour solstice]

time to bulli

[zinc vortex]

looool wheelchair amirite fellow raiders

[sour solstice]

actually I play WHM

[stable basin]

It's week 18 ish and I haven't really bothered to push savage other than doing my weekly 5

[sour solstice]

So I cant bully

[zinc vortex]

i fully expected an essay considering how long you were typing for nadine

[stable basin]

nadine has gone super casual this tier lol

[dull radish]

this tier?

[zinc vortex]

[wet stag]

Oof

[zinc vortex]

that sounds like bullying

being a casual is relative to your own level of skill and performance

😌

[stable basin]

heh, "is typing" is a weird thing in discord

[zinc vortex]

bully averted

you can continue typing fellow ff14 friends

[stable basin]

@dull radish i love u

[dull radish]

<3

[stable basin]

then there's the times i forget to click back into my xiv monitor and my push to talk key gets spammed into the entry box in discord

[steady pebble]

i share foodie's sentiment

[stable basin]

@steady pebble hi

[steady pebble]

herro

[stable basin]

i got some good news

[zinc vortex]

[stable basin]

to #not-ffxiv-discussion

[sour solstice]

big foodie fan

[zinc vortex]

[vague karma]

Heyo, I can't do O8S yet, but how does this look for MCH? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/16KH9

I'm only going to play this job as a backup so I'm not too fussed about going full 370

[boreal edge]

@vague karma avoid sks as mch

even if it means playing with i350 chest

and i365 wep

[vague karma]

I'm slow asf, boi

This has no SKS

[boreal edge]

if u arent going to raid

get rid of those i370 rings

get i360 aug

[vague karma]

It's more of a backup for Savage incase I can't go SMN

My SMN is fully geared, but this is sort of what I'm after

[boreal edge]

u just want 1 sks thingy

just to pass 1 tier

to 2.49

if u gonna do savage get those 2 rings

2.47 gcd is needed there

also why would you no go smn?

[vague karma]

SMN would be my primary choice lmao

I'm also planning on joining a causal static that also has a SMN, so if I can avoid double classing, that'd be great as well

[boreal edge]

ah

have u played mch much tho?

[vague karma]

Only in causal content, but I tend to practise it a lot on a dummy.

My ilevel is only 348 for it right and I'm getting 19k wildfires and 4.7k on it with no party buffs

So hopefully if I get it geared, that 4.7k will be much higher

I can always go BRD if I fail badly at MCH

so it's no big deal

[boreal edge]

should be closer to 5k as i348

but np

good enough

[vague karma]

Yeah, it's not melded lmao

[boreal edge]

melds are 2-3% extra dps at best

[vague karma]

ty dude

[daring berry]

i have a question that i hope won't make me realise that im a scrub. Does Mana Shift remove the invul on someone who got raised?

[dull radish]

No

It's only actions done by the person that accepted the raise

Excluding movement

[daring berry]

oh thank god.

cause i thought i killed multiple healers with mana shift in tsukuEX

[pastel drift]

I wish people knew to make use of their rez invuln 😔

[daring berry]

after they came back from dead.

cause the times i mana shifted them they die after meteor when Tsukuyomi AOEs the map

[dull radish]

Healers have a tendency to pop lucid asap when they get raised, if it's up

[daring berry]

and sometimes they dont and that's when i didnt mana shift them

[dull radish]

Or to try to heal themselves quickly

[opal hollow]

anyobdy have the macro for o8s?

[sour solstice]

how long does the invuln last anyway

[daring berry]

apparently 10 seconds?

[sour solstice]

10 seconds

[boreal edge]

@opal hollow macro fo o8s?

@sour solstice it last like 7 secs

[opal hollow]

yeah

[dull radish]

10s sounds closer to correct

it's definitely longer than 7

[boreal edge]

i died between 9 - 12

[dull radish]

and I've not died at around that 10s mark

[boreal edge]

they said they gonna make that invulnerability visible

but it been a talk since 3.3

[paper torrent]

Grand memes omega tho

[kind schooner]

does sam really get all the hate reddit says it gets in endgame trials and raids? At least during peak hours. I hear it gets straight up role-removed from PF groups

[sour solstice]

thats bullshit

[kind schooner]

every time I play yasuo in league I think of playing the ol' sam but remember about that

[sour solstice]

if a pt locks out SAM

99% of the time its a dumpster tier pf

[kind schooner]

Ah ok. I'll check myself as I gear up (skipping eureka to grind out tomes from daily roulettes, since I'm only level 1 in Eur) so I'll have a few days of info

Just can't enjoy dragoon even at 70, it just feels bulky

[royal granite]

welp, time to spend all day getting another 2-3 byakko tokens.

[kind schooner]

After scouting the high-end duty tab, seems like only a small select groups limit sam. One group limited half the dps classes lol

[sour solstice]

sounds about right

[stable basin]

SAM/RDM aren't hated so much as it's just really hard to find parties I feel

10% of parties don't have slots for them and 90% of parties already have them sitting in there

[kind schooner]

Ah yeah thats hard for me, my only two dps jobs are sam and rdm... haha

I just hit drg to 70 as my only other non-60 (or lower) dps job but its not fun

[steep iris]

@kind schooner half is usually cause they want to do 2 melee 2 ranged

that's really normal

[royal granite]

are people just not doing byakko ex today? there no PF groups,, yesterday there was always at least 3.

[steep iris]

barring 1 dps class or more for other reasons is kinda abnormal, usually only happens when someone doesn't want dupes/parse runs

[lyric summit]

you can always make a PF @royal granite

[steep iris]

byakko ex is last patch's content

wont be as many now

[kind schooner]

I think I'll keep trying dragoon but not worrying about anything but hitting the same 1-2-3 combo with wheeling/F&C when jumps are on CD is eh

[royal granite]

k, all day yesterday though there was 3-4 at all times, even after finishing a roun

[kind schooner]

I guess those windows are only every 15 seconds between nastrond phases though

[steep iris]

also today is monday

[sour solstice]

monday pf

[kind schooner]

I love it

[steep iris]

less about before reset and more about everybody's at work/school

[lunar carbon]

grinding in real life

[royal granite]

oh, are the sigmascapes daily still? i've ntoiced with 1,2 & 3, even if i get loot, they arent telling me i've gotten my reward.

[dull radish]

they were never daily, but instead weekly

but that lockout has been removed

[royal granite]

ah

[dull radish]

other than the weekly crystalloid

[sour solstice]

Except for savage

[dull radish]

and savage, yeah

[royal granite]

k, so... what gives the shaft then? cause i have 0 shafts

[sour solstice]

3/4

[dull radish]

not from 3

shaft is only from the final fight for each tier

[sour solstice]

oh

am I thinking pants

[dull radish]

yes

[royal granite]

so... how long as the lockout been removed?

[sour solstice]

4.3

[royal granite]

ok, so i havent fucked up to badly then. XD

[lavish cobalt]

Hey guys i'm playing as a drg and sometimes my fullthrust is ready while my bloodsurge needs another 2/3 seconds after like the opener is this normal?

I do have randomgearset based on highestilevel so i got some random skillspeed mixed in my gearset, not sure if that effects anything

[royal granite]

sounds like your probably missing something, i dunno though cause i dont play drg or follow other peoples openers.

[lunar carbon]

What it seems they're missing is...

more skills

wait, let make me certain of something

are you 70?

[royal granite]

kek

@lavish cobalt

[stable basin]

Yeah some jobs are really clunky when leveling

Like MCH, it looks like it all falls nicely together at 70 but feels awkward af when you first get the job

[lavish cobalt]

Yeah i'm lvl 70

And i'm doing the opener exactly as stated in 'its a dragoons life for me' guide

[sour solstice]

!faq drgguide

[storm frost]

Dragoon Guide

Info

Not tanking the floor Guide: http://tinyurl.com/drgguide4-0

[sour solstice]

try this one

idk if the opener is different

[lavish cobalt]

O i'm on mobile atm and the link seems to not show

[sour solstice]

http://tinyurl.com/drgguide4-0

[lavish cobalt]

That is the exact guide i have been using

Just wondering if skillspeed effected the cooldown of Bloodsurge? 🤔

[heavy mist]

no

[valid gate]

no

[heavy mist]

SKS only affects GCD

[valid gate]

bs is an ability...

[heavy mist]

@lavish cobalt

[lavish cobalt]

Ah like that

[heavy mist]

some people dunno, its k

[lavish cobalt]

Yeah well don't try to blame a casual for not knowing things pls :v

Not everyone is trying to learn endgame things while already knowings all facts

[paper torrent]

endgame discussion

[lavish cobalt]

:v

Anyone here who might know whatsup? because if she skillspeed affects my Gcd it shouldn't be like 2/3 seconds right?

The*

[heavy mist]

depends on the threshold u hitting

like 741 SKS gives u like 2.44 GCD

iirc

or something

[sterile temple]

Isn't SKS like... Super miniscule bonus or some shit

[heavy mist]

depends on the class its useful for lining up buffs and stuff

E.G DRG

so if your SKS if between 715 and 782, you will have 2.44 GCD. if your SKS is between 354 and 381, you will have 2.5 GCD

Honestly right now, if u are still gearing up you want to just get the highest ilevel gear possibly

secondary stats like Critical Hit/ Direct Hit/ Determination / SKS are all minimal against ilevel

[paper torrent]

don't worry about sks unless you have to hit thresholds that are super specific, like for WAR

because 5 FC IR OP

[lavish cobalt]

@heavy mist alright, yeah a friend said the same "short: highest ilevel possible"

[hybrid rapids]

Skill speed is fine as long as you don’t suffers from clipping

[lavish cobalt]

Is Bloodsurge with Fullthrust not like super wrong to not lign up?

Line*

[heavy mist]

always do life surge with full thrust

it should always line up

[lavish cobalt]

Owh sorry yeah Life Surge is what i meant

[heavy mist]

If you miss it, just do it on the Wheeling Thrust or Fang and Claw when its gets boosted by being the 5th

[lavish cobalt]

Hmm will have to look tomorrow, when doing the opener on a dummy i guess

[heavy mist]

sounds good

[lavish cobalt]

thanks for the help anyway o/

[hybrid rapids]

Just telling, higher ilvl doesn’t mean always better

[heavy mist]

yes but generally its what u want

[hybrid rapids]

Unless it’s 10 level interval

If 5 then sub stat is still important

[icy remnant]

First time in Lighthouse tonight, can I expect to clear in 2-3 hours you think?

[heavy mist]

yes

[hybrid rapids]

Possible

Since most players have it cleared

[heavy mist]

unless u get freaking idiots

and die 200+ times

[paper torrent]

it took me like, 1 hour and 40 to clear day 1

i think you'll be fine

it's been like, almost 2 weeks now

[hybrid rapids]

Next reset will be 3

[paper torrent]

oh yeah lost count 'cause i did an extra run this weeek

[heavy mist]

i just run it as tank

literally dont have to depend on healer as much 💤

[paper torrent]

honestly easiest thing is just to play healer

healer youself

let the dumb fucks stay dead, if co healer wants to respect their idiocy let them

broil 2 more easy

[hybrid rapids]

Easiest thing is skipping it and runs uwu instead

[paper torrent]

the true meta is to just clear all savages

and just farm that for alts instead

[icy remnant]

I have a WHM at 350 and a BLM at 356, not sure what to bring

[paper torrent]

whatever you're better at

[icy remnant]

Pretty equal but prolly BLM by a hair

[paper torrent]

both dps/healer are easy to get in

tank is pretty easy most of the time as well

[hybrid rapids]

Are you saying all jobs are easy to get in?

When reset, should be fast pop

Or you can recruit on pf

I’ll be doing savage > lighthouse > uwu

[heavy mist]

just do whatever u feel more comfortable on

so less energy is focused on doing dps and can be focused on mechanics

or healing*

[icy remnant]

Cool will prob bring BLM

[civic monolith]

a friend of mine want to start doing savage content as samurai what should his gear and meld look like before he starts?

[heavy mist]

meld to what SKS he wants, then just stack DH iirc

i would like to recommend at least i350 but 🤷

first two u could get by with i340 and i345

[lyric summit]

depends how recently he got to 70, most casual players have a full mendacity set on their main jobs

[civic monolith]

hes at least ilvl 35o and been playing at 70 since SB release, just now wants to start trying savage stuff

350*

[heavy mist]

well he should have at lesat i360 gear

from capping mendacity

Unless he took breaks or is gearing another etc

[civic monolith]

unless hes been super lazy haha, but im pretty sure he has all 360 on the left

[heavy mist]

yeah he should be fine to go in

Just meld to what GCD he would like and then meld Direct Hit on the rest of the slots

[civic monolith]

awesome thanks ill let him know

[heavy mist]

at this point reading a guide before he goes into each floor is probably the best

unless its a blind party

[civic monolith]

nah its a group of friends he is joining who have cleared most of the savage stuff

[heavy mist]

ah okay

hes fine then

[boreal edge]

sam should be easy to play after all

[hybrid rapids]

You are easy

[paper torrent]

G O T E M

if you have a good group you can carry pretty easily as long as you press buttons

and not fuck up mechs

[boreal edge]

@hybrid rapids my heel is hard

[dull radish]

it's the rock

[royal granite]

i'm assuming that's about savage?

[dull radish]

yeah

if you're near someone else who is hit by rock

you get knocked back

[wet stag]

If the rock hits a different person it sends them flying

[dull radish]

rather use surecast for the knockback from kefka after that graven image is over

[scenic patrol]

The stone is the reason why people split up after puddles

[dull radish]

oh, nah haha

[hybrid rapids]

MTQ guide 🙈

[last galleon]

you have enough time to run to kefka even if you wait after the gaze mechanic resolves

[scenic patrol]

I just pop sprint for the look at gaze

[hybrid rapids]

They don’t happens simultaneously

[scenic patrol]

You have plenty of time

[last galleon]

kefka mechanics actually have a surprising amount of leeway

[hybrid rapids]

Eye > sleep/confuse > Eye

[last galleon]

most mistakes i see are people thinking they have no time to resolve one mechanic before going to the next

so you have people running into others for rocks, running into bleed puddles before they disappear etc

[scenic patrol]

I can't backpaddle

So I just pop sprint while waiting

For gaze to resolve

Then run to Kefka

[last galleon]

i think it does more damage if you have deaths. never bothered to confirm, but it feels that way to me.

[hybrid rapids]

It doesn’t

Most chances are the person who died supposed to use mitigation there

For example addle and/or reprisal

[last galleon]

That’s a fair point. It could also be healers getting distracted and not shielding/topping off in time.

[pine beacon]

Ye. Addle is great for that, unless you're specifically building lb with it

Which, if you're running pld/war, you might as well shoot for it.

[opal hollow]

are there any good resources for ranked pvp?

[steady pebble]

probably best to ask in pups' den discord or teamtryhard

those are the two pvp discords

[opal hollow]

ahh ok

does anybody know the exchange rate of wolf collars to wolf marks?

i can't find any info on it

[normal mesa]

so for Ultima Ultimate, will any groups be streaming OR is it gonna just be wait for twitter?

I assume the latter to not leak strats?

[elder dawn]

xeno and 5150 will probably be streaming

and maybe arthars as well

[thorn bear]

damn yo

I'm gonna rush thru godka

and get into ultima ultimate just to see what's up

and say I was there

I've never done Ultima extreme so I can't really compare any mechanics to what might be in the new fight

[pastel drift]

@elder dawn 5150 disbanded

hiroro might stream but idk who with

[elder dawn]

rip

[regal halo]

Either on Tiamat, or in Chocobo.

[true lark]

[hybrid rapids]

[stable basin]

LOL I would be a very bad competitive world firster even if I was of sufficient caliber

I'm too helpful by nature and would probably leak strats like a sieve LOL

[hybrid rapids]

i think either aya getting first

or a unregistered JP group

[stable basin]

for that matter, what percentage of Western statics are even registered as such (I presume by "registered" one is referring to them having a named static entry on fflogs?)

[hybrid rapids]

the host isn't famous in JP circle

[true lark]

AYA LIZ

i think all the jps who go world prog hours know of frosty television

[hybrid rapids]

i saw owen and few group

powerful AYA LIZ

[true lark]

big aya "golden monk" liz fan

[stable basin]

hmmm this is interesting

"An issue in a trial added in Patch 4.3 wherein the player would incur severe damage under certain conditions."

was there a bug on moon bunny where you weren't supposed to take as much damage as you did?

Wonder if they nerfed fans on the normal mode or something like that

[zinc vortex]

it's probably the thing where if you transition tsukuyomi immediately after a tankbuster the tank who took the buster would get instagibbed by the phase transition

due to the lingering vuln up debuff

[trim cloak]

Join the cult of Aya

[true lark]

big ayaliz fan

[distant blaze]

just tuned in to mrhappy

did the fight just start?

[heavy mist]

it starteed 2 hrs ago

[unreal flax]

Just started watching Momo's stream.

[sour solstice]

wheres momo at

[unreal flax]

https://www.twitch.tv/ffxivmomo

[sour solstice]

I mean fight wise

[steady pebble]

its not our momo, right?

[unreal flax]

Or did you mean his server? He's on Sarg.

Oh uh

Don't know

Fresh pull

[sullen sable]

Different Momo

[sour solstice]

Happy just died to fuckin geocrush again

then the WHM c2'd instead of lb3

so they didnt get to see more mechs

[unreal flax]

Wait, this is just Xeno's stream from the healer lol

[sour solstice]

o

ah

means they havent hit titan

[unreal flax]

The start of Ifrit looks annoying lol

[sour solstice]

yeah

Not nearly as bad as wind tho

eruption is rip uptime

[unreal flax]

I really, really like the eruption aoes in this

[sour solstice]

yeah

the orange on top of the original

[heavy mist]

start is ifrit is fine

the annoying part is the retarded nails and eruption

[sour solstice]

dragging eruption into nails

[heavy mist]

gives them more dmg

and vuln down

[unreal flax]

I think you're confusing annoying with hard. It's not hard. It's the watching people not making it into the safe spot

[heavy mist]

FeelsBad

ive done it is why

but now knowing that is distanced based

👀

[sullen sable]

How long is each phase so far?

[heavy mist]

garuda is around 2:50

[sour solstice]

ifrit seems about the same

[heavy mist]

Ifrit enrage is around 5:14-5:20

so subtract the time

[sullen sable]

Seems similar timings to ucob

[sour solstice]

No one streaming has seen titan enrage

[heavy mist]

Titan we got 0 clue

[sour solstice]

I suspect theres gonna be one day 1

[heavy mist]

mkay this streamer is back to titan

how will they handle the cage rocks

[sour solstice]

link?

[heavy mist]

https://www.twitch.tv/sartii

nvm he just died

[sour solstice]

rip

ive got momo happy and this one open

in 3 different tabs

[heavy mist]

Happy and this one are the farthest

Xeno is stil in ifrit iirc

unless hes gotten ahead

[sour solstice]

yeah they are stuck on ifrit

er

[heavy mist]

hmm

wondering how to determine where titan falls

🤔

[wet stag]

im watching edh

[sour solstice]

everyone is pre pull right now

💤

[heavy mist]

OH

if this guy can get to titan 1 more time

i think i know

YEAH

[sour solstice]

OOOF

that upheaval

and then the heal check right after

[heavy mist]

Yeah MrHappy figured that out

same conclusion i got to

[lament dawn]

Damn son, Ultima Ultimate is pretty awesome imo

[stable basin]

random bored eureka pondering oh i know what the final boss of xiv should be

Ultimate Rowena

she transforms into some super powerful megalomaniac god based on all the information off the tomestones you've been feeding her since 2.x

(has it ever occurred to us to stop and ponder just what they wanted all those tomestones for? lol)

[steep iris]

dafuq kills a random person after the adds appear in garuda phase anyway

after dying the person who randomly dies gets a thermal low stack

[lament dawn]

My guess for Ultima transition. Garuda. Ifrit, and Titan all appear at once and try to ultimate combo kill us at once but Ultima Weapon intervenes and absorbs them all, then casts Ultima.

[compact jay]

how do I determine if I did a good job or not I don't know if this is the right channel to ask but

[sour solstice]

not enough information

[compact jay]

Yeah let me finish typing, lol.

[sour solstice]

What instance, what role

etc

[compact jay]

Let me finish typing god damn mate.

I did normal Tsukuyomi fight, no wipe and my only mistake was dying when the boss at at 3% (abilities were on cooldown) but got yelled at by a RDM and only got 1 commendation as a tank

I had to do it blind because i couldnt find a tank guide that wasnt for Ex

but It felt like the fight went really smooth and well with no hiccups?

my cover prevented the healers from dying and one of them stayed behind to thank me, so i'm lost.

[sour solstice]

were you mt or ot

[compact jay]

I think MT.

I didnt let doom in the fight kill me or anything

I legit only died because all of my abilities were off CD

[sour solstice]

did you not have a cd for a buster

pld should have enough cds

for all of the new nm's busters

but honestly

its normal

dw bout it

[compact jay]

well the thing is I didnt know the buster was coming

by the time I realized It was too late because Hallowed Ground was already used and all that.

[sour solstice]

was it the first buster?

[compact jay]

um

it was the last one i assume since she had 5% hp or something

[unreal flax]

Basically, Yuna dies when it doesn't matter, and for some reason gets bitched at by an RDM and only got one comm.

[compact jay]

fucking summed up, yes.

like i was ressed in time to help deal the last final blow so its like

what the fuck is the big cheese

[steady pebble]

some ppl just yell for no reason

i wouldn't let it bother you too much tbh

sounds like the run as awhole wasn't that bad if that's the only mess up you made

[lunar carbon]

Moon normal is casual content, don't let that get over your head.
Commendation is a courtesy, not an obligation. Some players leave the instance without commending just because, or they tend to commend the healers instead for doing a good job.

It happens.

For example me as a healer, no matter how good the tank or the DPS did in a casual content. If the other DPS manashift me on CD they are guaranteed to get the commend

As a tank, I commend the DPS that steals my aggro

[humble scarab]

i just commend whoever

usually the tank or healer

and sometimes dps

[lunar carbon]

If nothing happened and I got the challenge done already, I dont bother.

Can mass commending someone be considered as bullying?

[paper torrent]

There was something in korean league solo q

Where you would comnend the feeder

[lunar carbon]

same idea.

I was doing O7N with some friends and we had this DRG that hugged the floor the entire fight

we all commended them

[scenic patrol]

finally have an orange parse on choo choo

[sour solstice]

Nice

[humble scarab]

oh hey they managed to get to ultima phase

[dull radish]

yeah

[sour solstice]

Who?

Happy?

[humble scarab]

happy

[dull radish]

yeah, though, it was "ultima"

since it was just magitek bits that self destructed haha

[sour solstice]

Oh

[humble scarab]

they transition to ultima

[sour solstice]

I saw that already

Bits seem tough

[dull radish]

wonder if the answer is just caster lb3

or some other galaxy brain strat

[sour solstice]

I posted an idea in general

Probably wrong

[humble scarab]

sad

it feels like as long as you kill 1

[sour solstice]

1 is deatg

[dull radish]

they killed one and tank lb3'ed and died

[sour solstice]

^

[dull radish]

tank lb3 did nothing

[humble scarab]

sad

[compact jay]

what the FUCK?

PLOT TWIST WTF

[lament dawn]

BTW I was told 2nd friction needed to be soaked but they didn't tell me why

[blissful solstice]

So we have no idea how to not die to the magitek bits?

[supple sail]

caster lb?

[sturdy shell]

do we know if the magitek bit self-destruct damage is proportional to health remaining?

[unreal flax]

Happy said he's gonna try caster LB3 the next time they go in and he also thinks it's related to HP remaining on each bit

Which is what I was thinking as well. lol he said "We need to /kneel to all the bits"

[sour solstice]

ping me when he starts progging again

[dull radish]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PreciousBombasticPrariedogKappaClaus

[normal mesa]

wait what

[dull radish]

yes

[last galleon]

nice doom

[normal mesa]

wait what

I'm on mobile so quality is crap

[last galleon]

they killed magitek bits but somehow got a doom debuff

[normal mesa]

wtf then how do you do it...

[last galleon]

good question

[dull radish]

it's very likely one of those dooms that you need to top people off for

to cleanse

[last galleon]

ahh, right, like that one dungeon

[dull radish]

so they were just slow on the healing

getting hots up before and quick heals after should be fine

spooky though, especially with that down for the count

[last galleon]

oof yeah the only got like 3s or so

[sour solstice]

swift medica 2

then a c3

[last galleon]

at least it's not a heal from 1 HP

[sour solstice]

should cover

[dull radish]

it generally shouldn't be too bad to deal with

[sturdy shell]

wait, someone's made it past bits

[dull radish]

just tough if you just, aren't prepared for it at all

[sturdy shell]

https://www.twitch.tv/hiroro85

[last galleon]

yeah, lots of first time killers

[sturdy shell]

Hiro's reviewing a vod of post bits

Red tendrils reach out from the center of the arena, a text box of Lahabrea says "Your tale ends here, Warrior of Light!", then the screen fades to black....then they're back at Garuda...?!

They wiped to doom.

[unreal flax]

HOW.

HOW did they manage to wipe to Doom when someone's fuckin ACT called it out

[sour solstice]

they werent topped

I think

[last galleon]

yes, you don't have much time there to top people off if you aren't expecting it

doesn't matter if ACT calls it out

assuming the solution to doom is topping off, that is

[unreal flax]

Oh okay, I see how. I had to watch it a bunch more times to see what was happening there.

[dull radish]

If they knew it was coming, med 2 + whispering dawn would make it easy

Before the stun

[last galleon]

yeah, prepping hot before stun seems vital there