endgame-lounge

[wet stag]

so 20s

[trail dock]

Ye

[royal granite]

question, what is this in the openers section of that guide?

[wet stag]

potion

[scenic patrol]

Potion

[wet stag]

!item grade 2 infusion of intelligence

[storm frost]

**Grade 2 Infusion of Intelligence** : Medicine

This diluted brew temporarily increases intelligence, but for twice the duration of similar potions. Duration: 30s

[scenic patrol]

Every opener for every job will have a potion in the opener

To maximize dps

[royal granite]

ah, i'll ignore that then, brokeer than the joker

[trail dock]

I getchu fam

[scenic patrol]

At least try to invest into food for O7S and O8S

If you reach them

[trail dock]

Food is a must tho

[trail dock]

It's also relatively cheap

[scenic patrol]

Depends

[normal mesa]

I recommend, to learn the timings

[wet stag]

but use a max potion or something lol

[normal mesa]

go pick up the cheapest INT pot you can that has the same cooldown

[scenic patrol]

It's 10K a pop for me on cheap days

[normal mesa]

make sure it's the same cooldown

[trail dock]

For 10 servings

Which are 6 hours of food

[scenic patrol]

More like 7

[normal mesa]

it was...uh...HQ Draconian for my sam buddy, he just grabbed the draconian ones and if you are super broke, go for food from a lower set like uhh

[trail dock]

100k for 6 hours seems nice

[normal mesa]

what was it

what was the old crit food

[trail dock]

Ye, 6:40

[normal mesa]

idr

[paper torrent]

Aren't there npc vendor ones

[normal mesa]

nah you don't want the npc ones usually

[wet stag]

persimmon leaf sushi?

[normal mesa]

YEAH SUSHI

[wet stag]

was dh/crit

[normal mesa]

get the persimmon leaf sushi if it's cheaper and you're REALLY broke?

[paper torrent]

For infusions just to learn the muscle memory

[normal mesa]

iirc isn't rdm cider now?

but yeah buy cheapo pots to learn the muscle memory

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow, the VIT bonus from food is super important

[wet stag]

tfw i forget pot on o6s bc my opener is fucked

[scenic patrol]

It will be the difference between you dying and living through Light of Judgement

[trail dock]

flashbacks of peeps dying to LoJ

[paper torrent]

Tfw you forget to pot

... in your normal opener

[trail dock]

Like me

[royal granite]

oh, would seeing my ui setup help in anyway? i dont have pots/most buffs on a button, i click them

[trail dock]

"Oh this was a nice Kefaust run!"

"CRISTOINCROCE I FORGOT TO POT"

[paper torrent]

My personal favorite

"Wow i might get a new PB!"

[scenic patrol]

My favorite is when pot is on CD

[paper torrent]

group dies from getting greedy

[trail dock]

And fight ends

[scenic patrol]

As I step into another savage fight

[trail dock]

Reeee

Johni

That happens to me with O6

And HG

[scenic patrol]

Happened to my co tank a lot

Go into stack up solo

Die

What the fuck Hallowed on CD

[trail dock]

Reeee

[scenic patrol]

Thank Yoshi

[paper torrent]

My personal favorite o6s meme

[trail dock]

Once you leave an instance, cds should reset

[royal granite]

that's my hotbars, everything on the right i click

[paper torrent]

sees the ground break for EQ

dismounts

VULN STACK BOISSS

[stable basin]

idk if I can trust this RDM guide you linked, it claims verflare is the more stylish finisher

[trail dock]

DON'T USE ERASE

IT IS

VERFLARE VERBEST

[scenic patrol]

I don't see you using any keyboard keys that are not 1234567890

[paper torrent]

Cursed role skill

[scenic patrol]

QERTFGZXCV

So much free binds

That you don't use

And click instead

[trail dock]

i'm giving advice and I don't even play RDM

[royal granite]

i think i've used erase... once?

since i picked up RDM

[trail dock]

Take addle

[royal granite]

but i have it as a just in case thign

[scenic patrol]

Where's Surecast?

[trail dock]

Or surecast yes

And*

[royal granite]

i never saw a need for surecast since cast times are so short

[scenic patrol]

I hope you like falling off platforms

[normal mesa]

nono

surecast

[paper torrent]

O5S, O7S, and o8s would like to have a word with you

[normal mesa]

surecast is bae

almost any knockback is nullified

[scenic patrol]

Surecast is a must this tier

[normal mesa]

for the duration

[trail dock]

I wish I had surecast

[scenic patrol]

You can literally die without it

[normal mesa]

and this tier has a LOT of knockback

it lets you ignore mechanics

[royal granite]

and as for the knockback, i've never once wven for the short time when i was using surecast ahd it actualyl stop a knock back

[scenic patrol]

Especially on O5S

[normal mesa]

THIS is why you need a guide my friend, not because you're 'bad'

[scenic patrol]

Time to git gud

[normal mesa]

you lack experience and perspective

[paper torrent]

Time to git gud

[normal mesa]

It's time to get swol

with knowledge

[scenic patrol]

And learn how to use Surecast

[paper torrent]

Server ticks are a bitch

Rule #2: emmity control is a party effort

[trail dock]

So use diversion on cd

[scenic patrol]

You only need Diversion for opener

[trail dock]

Reeeeeee

[paper torrent]

😂

[royal granite]

tbh, i've never used diversion

[scenic patrol]

Lucid on CD afterwards is enough

[trail dock]

That's why you were second in the aggro.list.

[royal granite]

and only used lucid for mana after a rez

[hybrid rapids]

Surecast isn’t a must

But it could be handy

[scenic patrol]

This tier?

[hybrid rapids]

Yes

[trail dock]

It is

[scenic patrol]

Really?

[hybrid rapids]

A must = can’t clear without it

[scenic patrol]

Nor is addle and Diversion

Then by that definition

[royal granite]

IF i do the o#s content, and i find myself getting knocked back alot, i'll look into surecast, other tahn that when i did use test it, it was useless

[trail dock]

Ye

[paper torrent]

I love seeing dps fly off in o5s

Brings a tear to me eyes

[scenic patrol]

There are extremely annoying knockbacks this tier

[wet stag]

did you use it when there werent any knockbacks

[royal granite]

nope

[scenic patrol]

In any fight that is not O6S

[wet stag]

[trail dock]

Then you are fucking up timings

[wet stag]

or it was before they changed it

[paper torrent]

The beautiful SERVER TICKS

[trail dock]

Might be?

[wet stag]

so 4.0

[scenic patrol]

I wouldn't trade off Surecast for anything this tier

[normal mesa]

cept o6s

[hybrid rapids]

I do

[wet stag]

break

[normal mesa]

i never need it there. now.

[hybrid rapids]

Except o7s and kefka knockback is annoying

But I do swapped it

For other role action

Even kefka

[scenic patrol]

Aren't you playing healer though?

[hybrid rapids]

In order to carry friend to clear

I thought we’re talking about surecast...

So it’s caster + surecast

We do too

[scenic patrol]

Diversion, Lucid, Surecast, Addle, Apocastasis

[hybrid rapids]

To swap surecast with apoc

Where’s your swiftcast

[scenic patrol]

Oh swift, I knew I was forgetting something

[trail dock]

Not on RDM

[scenic patrol]

You can swap out Apoc

It's not needed for Clown

[hybrid rapids]

You swapping apoc and surecast yes

Clown yes

[scenic patrol]

Godka doesn't need Surecast

[hybrid rapids]

Surecast is handy especially in clown

[scenic patrol]

And Apoc has a lot more value there

[hybrid rapids]

Correct

It helped to reduce healers’ workload to heal stupid DoT on tank buster

While surecast is a 50/50 thing

[scenic patrol]

Also for Wings

Not taking Surecast to O5S will likely get you killed

[hybrid rapids]

Unless you’re doing optimized / speed running

They will talk about how important is 1 GCD or 0.02 dps increased

But I don’t really care those

They ain’t necessary for a clear for all content

[scenic patrol]

Why did we bring speed here?

The topic is pugging the fights

[hybrid rapids]

Because I saw a lot PUG following speed meta

To take surecast instead of apoc

So it’s related

And I do only pug

And had to argue with them

[scenic patrol]

Apoc isn't really necessary for O5S

I never felt like I needed extra mitigation

[hybrid rapids]

We’re talking on god

[paper torrent]

Surecast is so much safer

For o5s

[scenic patrol]

And I talk about O5S and how valuable it is

[hybrid rapids]

How’s blm teleport after buff?

[scenic patrol]

Ask Rika?

[hybrid rapids]

Usually the block is few step away

Have weave in a swiftcast and moving there

But that stack knockback is far more annoying

Than remorse

[scenic patrol]

You can't guarantee having a box

Even with a static

[hybrid rapids]

So you don’t join the party stack :P

[scenic patrol]

I had seen my Bard just fly away

[paper torrent]

Ah i love cover bitch

[hybrid rapids]

Usually I hate getting knockback so didnt join the stack

The remorse might annoying for melees

[paper torrent]

Also my favorite o5s meme is when i die but my pld survives

[hybrid rapids]

For caster is fine

[scenic patrol]

I ignore the stack sometimes

[hybrid rapids]

Basically my point is

[paper torrent]

Even though cover goes off

[hybrid rapids]

I do use surecast in o5s, but isn’t for remorse

But stack and/or head on

These 2 is annoying

[paper torrent]

I like to play the give the healers a stroke game

And HG raw plus reprisal it

Move to the side ofc

[blazing pelican]

I like to play the "let the tank die because he was stupid" game

[radiant tiger]

after actually grinding down level appropriate monsters and killing NM that spawns i got relatively the same exp as i got from old world zuu NM, so maybe NM trains arent as bad or inefficient

[scenic patrol]

They are more efficient since I can multi task with em

[royal granite]

so read through most(skimmed the openers section) of the RDM guide, all to confusing for me, and i feel like if i were to follow that opener, it wouldnt be me playing the game at that point.

[radiant tiger]

🤔

RDMs dont have an opener per se really

[royal granite]

i knwo

[normal mesa]

Well, if you can somehow maintain the same dps without doing the guide? go for it. but it's a quantifiable thing. Hit x amount of damage per second over the fight or you fail! Quite simple!

[royal granite]

but they wanted me to read the RDM guide and it has 8 or so para's on a single opener

[radiant tiger]

their opener is "count 5 GCDs, pop embolden"

[normal mesa]

For the group, rather, not individual

but

...yeah

like Savage is about playing your class more optimally than normal content

of course there'd be reading

[scenic patrol]

Also not needing Diversion speaks of low burst on opener

Since a good RDM opener should rip aggro without Diversion

[supple sail]

if it's too confusing for you then try reading and not skimming 😔

[radiant tiger]

fleche is massive burst

[scenic patrol]

Also it takes time to learn jobs

[radiant tiger]

and you can use it after 1st gcd

[scenic patrol]

You don't become a gold parser by going at it willy nilly

[royal granite]

i do have a good burst as i wait a few seconds after the tank goes in for him to grab/gen agroo otherwise i pull it to me.

[supple sail]

you don't just feelycraft together optimal play

[scenic patrol]

...

[wet stag]

[scenic patrol]

Just use Diversion pre pull

You sacrifice your opener due to laziness of using Diversion

[hybrid rapids]

Opener isn’t enough

Just weave it in

You lost nothing

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, but it's small things that add quickly

[radiant tiger]

do you start precasting verthunder/veraero?

[scenic patrol]

Every bit of optimization helps

[royal granite]

and for embolden, i ususally pop that whenever it's up.

and i have most or all party members near me

[scenic patrol]

Part should be stacked

Regardless

[supple sail]

dungeons aren't endgame y'know

[scenic patrol]

If someone is in Africa

He gets no raid buffs or heals

And he should die

[hybrid rapids]

Anyway. Which red mage guide do you read?

[scenic patrol]

Simple as that

The one by Jump on Mooglemedia

[hybrid rapids]

Good enough

[royal granite]

https://www.mooglemedia.com/rdm-guide is what i was linked

[hybrid rapids]

Jump is a good rdm

[royal granite]

i wouldnt know if he is or not, never hear do him before

[scenic patrol]

Jump is the Balance mentor for RDM

[supple sail]

That guide is not too complicated.

You're gonna have to suck it up and dedicate some time to learning if you wanna be a competent player

if you're confused by some terminology in the guide you can ask here.

[scenic patrol]

I have spent countless hours practicing and learning my job as a Warrior

[hybrid rapids]

I feel shy to talk in balance without patreon or donation

But yes, some mentors are good

[blazing pelican]

"I want to be good without actually putting in effort"

Practice practice practice

[royal granite]

from what i heard warrior is easy, hit things in teh face, get hit back(i have no tanking xp as warrior)

[hybrid rapids]

Game is theory and practical

Is 2 part of game

Practical weight more than theory but theory is import as well

[scenic patrol]

Yet I constantly see warriors that parse below purple

[wet stag]

its almost like 75% of wars parse below purple

[hybrid rapids]

You can clear shit with 400 dps but theory helps you to improve and not being carry

Also don’t care about parse

[scenic patrol]

Not like it takes a lot to parse purple

Especially with the amount of content respecting tanks

[hybrid rapids]

It’s a shitty method to know how much you contribute by %

[blazing pelican]

The number of sub 2k dps healers is awful

like

dots and rocks

not hard

[hybrid rapids]

Healers dps is an effort of group

You can’t do 2k with 12 deaths

[blazing pelican]

if we have 12 deaths and it's not prog I'm fucking leaving

alliance raids I kinda expect that, but not Savage

[hybrid rapids]

When talks of dps it’s more on
Damage dealer > Tank > Healer

I saw people mad on 1k dps healer

But not freaking low 4K dps

Why

[scenic patrol]

I dunno Tsun

If I out parse someone as Warrior and he's on a DPS job, he's pretty bad

[hybrid rapids]

Especially I get mad when a 4K dps complaining a 1k dps Healer

[blazing pelican]

"you both suck"
there, problem solved /s

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow, you are bringing anecdotes

[hybrid rapids]

I would say dps is suck

Healer is fine

As long as isn’t under 1k I’m happy

[scenic patrol]

Same, but why not put out your maximum?

Especially as a DPS job

Most dps jobs are self sufficient, mostly

[hybrid rapids]

Healer dps isn’t what caused wipe

But mechanics

[radiant tiger]

healers should be appraised by their overheal %

[scenic patrol]

Nah, by their CPM and over heal %

[hybrid rapids]

I don’t care about oveheal as long as you don’t suffer from it not grabbing tank’s aggro

[radiant tiger]

yeah but dps meter doesnt show CPM

[hybrid rapids]

These 2 are shit method to know a good player

[scenic patrol]

Fflogs does

[radiant tiger]

no

overheal is a pretty good method to know how good healer is

[hybrid rapids]

Nah, I don’t care about overheal. Cpm is terrible if under 20 that’s true

As a healer

[radiant tiger]

im glad you dont care

its still a good indicator

[ivory tiger]

but then theres regen

[hybrid rapids]

^

This isn’t wow

[ivory tiger]

and theres downtime

and adds

and mechanics

and lag

reee

[hybrid rapids]

Overheal is only important when both healers working together on optimizing heal

[radiant tiger]

regen doesnt do that much, im not sayng there has to be 0% overheal, but like 40% is a problem

[ivory tiger]

we accommodate for garbage

[scenic patrol]

Over heal past certain threshold means you are healing too much

[hybrid rapids]

Other than that it’s just shit as long as you don’t suffer from MP nor Aggro

[ivory tiger]

is anyone paying you to kill kefka harder

[scenic patrol]

If it's past 70% I would worry, a lot

[hybrid rapids]

You don’t trust your co healer is fine

[royal granite]

question, how much does 4% reallly matter in sigma 1,0 savage? tried the dumy multiple times and can only get to 4% (even when trying some of the stuff from the guide to force more procs)

[blazing pelican]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/8mpDNXMQHqxTjAfL#fight=3&type=healing

Do any of you actually heal

[hybrid rapids]

Your current gear?

4 is really low for o5s dummy

[royal granite]

low as in good, or low as in bad?

[hybrid rapids]

Bad

[blazing pelican]

If you are in 350 gear you should be killing it no problem

[hybrid rapids]

^

[blazing pelican]

!whogear @royal granite

_> that's not the command for that

!whoequip @royal granite

[storm frost]

Equipment for Seika Akagane of Mateus [item level 353]

Red Mage's Arm

Augmented Lost Allag
an Foil

Head

Carborundum Hat of C
asting

Body

Augmented Lost Allag
an Coat of Casting

Hands

Carborundum Gloves o
f Casting

Waist

Ryumyaku Obi of Cast
ing

Legs

Ivalician Arithmetic
ian's Bottoms

Feet

Carborundum Boots of
Casting

Earrings

Ryumyaku Earring of
Casting

Necklace

Ryumyaku Necklace of
Casting

Bracelets

Ryumyaku Bracelet of
Casting

Ring

Carborundum Ring of
Casting

Ring

Ryumyaku Ring of Cas
ting

Soul Crystal

Soul of the Red Mage

[hybrid rapids]

ilvl isn’t an accurate method

But you have to know your weapon and left side

[blazing pelican]

weapon needs to be upgraded

weapon damage is such a massive chunk of your dps calculation

[royal granite]

i'm 352,
MH = 340
head = 350
Gloves = 350
waist = 360
pants = 360
feet = 350
ears = 360
neck = 360
wrist = 360
rings = 350/360

[hybrid rapids]

MH

[blazing pelican]

You should upgrade your MH to the Byakko weapon at minimum

[hybrid rapids]

Is a problem

Big problem

Correct

[royal granite]

but the byakko fight sucks...

[blazing pelican]

Byakko is the fastest upgrade for you, and also preps you for Savage

sucks to be you then

[hybrid rapids]

If you can’t clear a byakko but expecting o5s

It’s unrealistic

[royal granite]

did i say i cant clear it? i said it sucks.

[hybrid rapids]

Farm it

For your weapon or tome

[royal granite]

i dont enjoy the fight and i've never gotten a rdm drop from it

[blazing pelican]

again, that's unfortunate

[hybrid rapids]

10 totem exchange weapon

[blazing pelican]

but no one cares

[hybrid rapids]

You’re wasting 7 people time or waiting for a carry because byakko fight is suck.....

Anyway

You can do anemos and tome as well

340 MH at this point is terrible

I’m not saying you can’t clear with 3k or 4K dps as a rdm but you didn’t put out your weight

[blazing pelican]

really 4k is about as far as you can go

rotation only goes so far, at some point you need a legitimate gear upgrade

[hybrid rapids]

I might be harsh in words but my point is, it’s a team effort for a clear

For challenging content

[wet stag]

tsun i think if you were around earlier you'd be harsher

[hybrid rapids]

I even met a smn who only do macro rotation because “too much buttons for controller”

I told him you might as well unsub or change job

[stable basin]

I'm still trying to figure out what all this salt is about on this one reddit thread

[hybrid rapids]

idk, players who don’t do healing telling me overheal is bad

[stable basin]

particularly, people are salting a lot about moon moon ex groups asking for 365

I have literally seen this ONCE on Aether

is it more common on primal or chaos?

[hybrid rapids]

It’s common on JP

370/375 weapon holder players only

[blazing pelican]

365 isn't possible right now unless you do savage

[pine beacon]

Man, I had to scroll up and take a gander at all the RDM talk

💯

Good stuff

[royal granite]

for the weapon do i do regular or extreme byakko?

[stable basin]

extreme

normal primals have not dropped weapons since ... i think moggle mog was the last one?

[blazing pelican]

my advice to tanks right now is grab some accessories to cheese ilvl then drop down to your actual set to get in these parties

[royal granite]

k... what are my alternatives isntead of doing byakko ex/eureka?

[stable basin]

Yeah, I wonder if that's actually what they're trying to get at, they want "savage raiders only" rather than really caring about the gear per se

[blazing pelican]

Moon moon extreme

[royal granite]

moon moon?

[blazing pelican]

the new ex mode

[pine beacon]

The best way to handle those parties

[wet stag]

tomestones

[pine beacon]

Is not to join them

If they're locking out BiS tanks

[normal mesa]

The new ex may be...difficult for you to pull your weight in dps in, with that weapon.

[stable basin]

actually that might be one logical reason some people hurry to farm stuff early in patch cycles, I suppose

[normal mesa]

Tomestone weap is even an upgrade past what you have rn....

[stable basin]

i.e., the few means you have of filtering people in PF work best early on

[normal mesa]

Honestly it's not worth trying to math out

[blazing pelican]

do what I do
set the ilvl super high, then drop it for the tanks

[stable basin]

hells, there's plenty of competent tanks that don't pentameld, especially on the smaller pop servers

because shit is expensive there

I suppose pentamelding will always be ideal though at least until they nerf DH to only work for DPS jobs

(I have heard this suggested a few times, it's kind of logical seeing that tanks and healers each have a stat unique to their role, and DH for non-DPS already requires at least one meld)

[hybrid rapids]

I have 2 DH melds as a healer because !! It’s satisfying to see a !!

Low chance but it does happens

[blazing pelican]

still not enough STR on high level accessories to outweigh pentamelds on crafted

[royal granite]

T.T dps queues suck, and there no PF for JSex

[normal mesa]

...

....for what?

[blazing pelican]

same

[royal granite]

jade stoa ex

[normal mesa]

...yeah no make a PF

you will not get in via a queue

[blazing pelican]

you couldn't have said Byakko like everyone else?

[normal mesa]

just make a farm pf, or learning

if you've not cleared

[hybrid rapids]

I would join a JSex farm

[normal mesa]

like point blank the chances, at 1:30am, of you getting into Byakko EX group through duty finder are nearly 0

not in any reasonable amount of time at least

[royal granite]

i take it having cleared the other version of byakko doesnt count for ex?

[normal mesa]

....

no

?

two different fights

Pretty quick to learn though.

Make a learning party. Go watch a guide for the extreme version.

[wet stag]

@royal granite wait

when you said you cleared byakko

you meant normal?

[royal granite]

i guess?

[wet stag]

[normal mesa]

-sharp inhales-

BOI

you have more to learn than I anticipated!

[blazing pelican]

[stable basin]

Yeah, let's put it this way about DF and EX primals

One time, during 4.1, I queued for one of the Alex Normals and for Lakshmi EX in DF at the same time

ALEX NORMAL WAS LITERALLY THE ONE THAT POPPED

[royal granite]

k.... and that means...?

[stable basin]

literally a raid from last expansion popped first, rofl

[royal granite]

ah

[normal mesa]

yeah

[blazing pelican]

nobody in NA uses raid finder except to queue with a full party

[normal mesa]

The EX fights are generally higher difficulty, and require more coordination

thus

pure randos, no communication beforehand like PF?

[royal granite]

so, not something i wanna do with pugs then

[normal mesa]

very unpleasant in the eyes of most NA groups

[stable basin]

also I have done level 50 EX primals (other than Garuda) in queue just because, and both times it was something like a 90 minute queue, and that as healer

[normal mesa]

nah you can do it with pugs!

I cleared with pugs for every EX primal I've cleared

a party finder ensures more communication most of the time tho

[hybrid rapids]

I think o5s harder than byakko ex? How about bunny ex

[blazing pelican]

mentor roulette has a distressing habit of giving me Garuda Ex

[hybrid rapids]

Compared to o5s

[stable basin]

bunny ex is hard to gauge imo

[normal mesa]

i think 5s is harder by FAR than byakko

[stable basin]

bunny in general really

[normal mesa]

and bunny ex, purely on higher dps requirement is like...6s-ish?

but that's me personally

[blazing pelican]

o6s and bunny are about the same to me

[hybrid rapids]

It’s lower or same with o5s

[normal mesa]

between 6s and 7s to ME

[stable basin]

let's put it this way, I have Shinryu Ex on farm, I went into Fluminis normal on the first night, and struggled

[wet stag]

between 6 and 5 for me

[normal mesa]

Nadine

[wet stag]

yeah but thats just bc youre new

[hybrid rapids]

Oh..I meant dps check btw

Not the fight

[wet stag]

anecdotal evidence means nothing

[normal mesa]

Shinryu EX is not....

-waves hand- never mind

I oddly had a hard time with a few very specific mechanics in 6s, and had a much easier time with 7s

[stable basin]

yeah, when a fight is new or forgotten to you it's always harder than it should be anyway

[normal mesa]

why the almost-pure-uptime fight was/is so hard for me, I have zero idea

[hybrid rapids]

I have problem on difficulty scaling Or2

[stable basin]

I remember clearing O2S, then going into Cutter's Cry (which I had not yet done on Nadine, therefore, had not even seen since ARR)

Chimera took a look at me and my other Savage raider friend's smug faces and went "cute."

[hybrid rapids]

It’s like people were saying shinryu is hard, but after 90 runs for a dog compared to a new fight

[normal mesa]

New or no, it's surprising to me that me PERSONALLY, I had a harder time learning my role in 6s than 8s

[hybrid rapids]

New fight always harder to me

[normal mesa]

like

wtf

[hybrid rapids]

Or2

[normal mesa]

6s is SO EASY to most people but like, for some reason my brain didn't wanna work with it

[hybrid rapids]

Idk but 6s is press the button then clear to me

[normal mesa]

I learned bunny ex in like...idk just a handful of lockouts, but that was due to others messing up meteors more than anything

yeah exactly

everyone I know had no issue with 6s, it's SO WEIRD

[hybrid rapids]

That’s why I said JP party put 370/375 weapon only for bunny ex farm

[normal mesa]

I manage well enough now /shrug

[hybrid rapids]

They considered you’re average if you can clear 7s

Idk if o5s or o6s standard is good to put in savage

[normal mesa]

but still it cracks me up how much trouble it took me, weeks after clearing, already into kefka prog I was like ???? at some parts of 6s until it clicked lmfao

[hybrid rapids]

I still get knock off from o5s time to time

Then I was like

Oh, there’s a knockback in this fight

[normal mesa]

sometimes I stay a second too long forward in train

and die to head on

as a caster

and I don't live it down the rest of the night

[stable basin]

eh, it happens

when I was helping my friend clear Shinny last weekend I managed to walk off the side twice when I thought I'd moved corner to corner between tiles

[blazing pelican]

Picture of me when I forget to use Surecast on Remorse

[stable basin]

And then there was the very first time I ever did Sephirot

And managed to just walk off the side as tank during the post-ultimate phase

[hybrid rapids]

Can you see 3 punches now in sephirot?

xD

I guess it’s still fun

[stable basin]

this was normal seph

[hybrid rapids]

Ohh

[stable basin]

like, literally the very first time i'd encountered the fight

[blazing pelican]

normal mode always throws me off

"oh god I haven't done this version in forever"

[stable basin]

Yeah I'm not even sure I remember some of the normals, like Shinny

[normal mesa]

normal mode of any primal i learn for ex

[stable basin]

which I vaguely recall being vastly different from EX

[normal mesa]

walk in

'i have no memory of this place'

[normal mesa]

yup

[royal granite]

so for some reason i cant join the byakko ex PF groups.

even though i can q for byakko ex

[stable basin]

are you trying to join groups that have [Duty Complete] among the specifications?

If you're trying to clear, you want Duty Completion

Duty Complete is for people who've already cleared the duty, usually farms

[royal granite]

one of them has duty completion and duty complete in it. :/

and still cant join it

[torn kindle]

Maybe RDM is restricted?

[daring berry]

duty complete = you must have cleared once

[royal granite]

:/

[normal mesa]

yeah

[torn kindle]

Or you may not meet the ilvl they have set

[stable basin]

Yeah, people do that, usually people who are frustrated about getting a clear and decide to get seven cleared vets to help them out

[wet stag]

yeah you cant join duty complete parties if you havent cleared yet

[normal mesa]

If you've never ran the fight you don't...wanna go to farms...

Learning party.

[torn kindle]

Even though I'm 99% sure the Leader can set it to Duty Complete if they haven't cleared.

[daring berry]

yup

[stable basin]

Wynne, you can't set it to Duty Complete when you actually go into RF to enter the duty

[royal granite]

guess i wont be doing byakko ex then, learning party i joined earlier timed out, lead said i was the only one to join. and people only have duty complete for it.

[stable basin]

however, you can feel free to demand it in PF

and people do, pretty often

[torn kindle]

You could always buy the i350 HQ crafted weapon and upgrade it to i360 using Rains

[royal granite]

i'm borke

[torn kindle]

If you have the spare gil or know someone who can craft it

f

[stable basin]

RF doesn't actually enforce in any automatic way the standards that you asked for in PF

AFAIK the only thing you can't do is switcheroo people into loot master without telling them beforehand, pretty sure that one is reportable

but having your PF request ilvl or duty completion that you have not got yourself is possible, and occurs frequently

[royal granite]

and the silvergrace is worse than my 340

[stable basin]

such parties are frequently referred to as "trap parties" by endgamers

[royal granite]

-12 on the magic damage

[stable basin]

wait are you looking at the NQ silvergrace?

[normal mesa]

you want HQ

always

for crafted gear

[stable basin]

NQ endgame gear is trash, don't buy that

[normal mesa]

NEVER nq

[royal granite]

i just looked at what was on the marketboard

[normal mesa]

yeah if no HQ is listed then you'd have to find a crafter to make it

[stable basin]

literally the only time to buy NQ 350 is if you can get it for a third or less of the price of the HQ and you can buy three

(three NQ's get you enough tokens to get a 360 HQ from the augment exchange)

[torn kindle]

never actually use it, though

i350 NQ is worse than the i290 weapon you get from reaching 70

in terms of weapon damage

[royal granite]

so, how do i set up a PF group for byakko ex? never used this menue before

[stable basin]

click Recruit Members, first of all

[royal granite]

i did

[stable basin]

now where it says Duty pick Trials, and then The Jade Stoa (Extreme) from that drop down

(EX is always under trials unless it is the newest, in which case it would be under high end duty)

if you're completely new to the fight you'll then want to pick Practice

whether you want to check 'beginners/first timers welcome' is up to you

and leave the roles as they are (job locking slots is an advanced technique that not even all high end players use, leave it alone for now)

[hybrid rapids]

Just curious but did you just bought jump pot to skip all ARR and HW?

[royal granite]

nope

[stable basin]

now on the right hand side of PF

[royal granite]

i went through every cutscene from 1-50 twice

moved servers when i hit 50

made a enw character

[boreal edge]

[hybrid rapids]

I see

[stable basin]

"recruit across data center" creates a cross world party and lets people from any server in your datacenter join, "recruit across world server" means only people from your realm can join (typically it will be a long wait for those though)

[normal mesa]

You seem to be missing a lot of basic game information.

[stable basin]

private party's for when you want specific people only to be able to join and lets you set a PIN to be able to enter the group (private parties are also listed separately on the private tab of PF)

[royal granite]

how so? msq literalyl never had me go into this PF stuff, only called for duty finder

[boreal edge]

ppl dont lock jobs?

what world you live on?

[royal granite]

mateus

was on famfrit or whatever

[normal mesa]

nah it never forced it, but some take so long to pop that most people I know end up having to PF at least once

ouch

[boreal edge]

even worst pf dont get double jobs

[daring berry]

We all know job locking is to block all but the wheelchair classes out.

[normal mesa]

yeah plenty of people lock jobs

but

you don't need to do that

just

start with basics tbh

[stable basin]

for Duty Complete/Incomplete ... far as I've seen basically nobody ever picks Duty Incomplete

[normal mesa]

avoid duplicate jobs in Byakko though.

[boreal edge]

because LB can carry you in kills

[normal mesa]

makes it hella easy

[stable basin]

Pick Duty Complete if you only want people who've cleared to come with you. It can help things go faster when you're ready to clear but it's kind of silly to pick for first practice

[normal mesa]

smooooth farms

[boreal edge]

idk how it matters in tsukuyomi

[normal mesa]

doesn't in Tsukuyomi

people are dumb. you don't need lb there.

[boreal edge]

byakko so far is the only fight that matters

[stable basin]

ALWAYS CHECK AVERAGE ITEM LEVEL

ALWAYS.

because with PF, you will enter the duty with a full group, and when you enter with a full group it does not even check Square's basic item level guideline

[royal granite]

i set it to 350

[stable basin]

you can easily screw yourself over by not ticking "average item level", tick it even if you do leave it at the default

[boreal edge]

i mean

tsuku can be cleared even in i330

there is no tough dmg going

or high dps check

[stable basin]

Yeah but that's assuming you have a bunch of hardcore raiders

[boreal edge]

wut

[stable basin]

I'm assuming that Seika is not a hardcore raider

[boreal edge]

tsuku has 17k required dps

even 3k dps can meet it

[royal granite]

i do my weekly raids to try and gear up, that's about it

[boreal edge]

and 2k tanks

[stable basin]

yeah, it kinda makes me boggle that small triangle became a thing

[normal mesa]

Seika what raids

[royal granite]

dont have a group to become a hardcore raider with

[normal mesa]

cuz

like

your weapon doesn't reflect that

your weapon is super far behind

[royal granite]

raba, the lighthouse, sigma

[normal mesa]

sigma, you got those uh

crystalloids?

[royal granite]

i have 5

[stable basin]

apparently, so I am told, the purpose of small triangle is extra uptime, but it's not a fight that really has a pressing need for cutting edge dps to begin with

[normal mesa]

k as soon as you can, get that tome weapon

even if it has 'bad stats'

2 weeks ish iirc

[hybrid rapids]

How do you define hardcore?

1. Good players who spend a lot of time
2. Players who just spend a lot of time

[normal mesa]

7 crystalloids still?

[boreal edge]

@hybrid rapids both maybe?

[stable basin]

Tsun, in this case, since we're talking doing an EX primal twenty ilvls below guideline, we're referring to cutting edge pro tier players

[daring berry]

just did a tsukuEX run where the WHM parsed orange even though he died once

[royal granite]

hardccore, players who spend alot of time to figure out how to spend as little time in raids as possible.

[hybrid rapids]

Wow, uploading primal ex log

[boreal edge]

@daring berry 75% of those killed do 0 dps

[stable basin]

some people log everything

[daring berry]

i delete them after though

i uploaded at least 20+ of them before

then delete them later.

[stable basin]

a lot of ex-WoW players probably do

[hybrid rapids]

You can just do unlisted instead

Delete WoW player

[stable basin]

I'm an ex-WoW player and don't, but I can understand it being a thing for them because my experience there was that people usually uploaded every raid religiously to wclogs, good or bad

[royal granite]

this look good?

[hybrid rapids]

They ain’t here to talk about my overheal when they can’t even clear the fight

[daring berry]

you shouldnt put duty complete.

[boreal edge]

byakko i350?

[daring berry]

people are gonna be pissed if they find out you havent even cleared

[hybrid rapids]

Wtf you put duty complete

[stable basin]

(keep in mind of course that parsing is officially sanctioned in WoW and all players are on computers, so people do it even more ubiquitously than in xiv)

[hybrid rapids]

And byakko 350

[royal granite]

i see everyone else settign it for 350

[hybrid rapids]

You guys don’t teach bad him

[boreal edge]

put it i340

[hybrid rapids]

350 is farm

[boreal edge]

same as entry

[stable basin]

Yeah I wouldn't worry about bumping the ilvl up until you're ready to clear at least

Like I said though definitely make sure the item level requirement box is at least checked because you need to in order for the game to check gear at all

(because full group queue ignores ilvl requirements)

[normal mesa]

as I said, clicking duty complete when you've not learned the fight or seen a vid is fuckin' deceptive

[boreal edge]

i just hope u dont teach him the wrong stuff nadine

[normal mesa]

put a party description

'fresh learning'

etc

[boreal edge]

@normal mesa well, its his 1st time setting up pf

so np

[normal mesa]

Yes, I said specifically though, don't click Duty Complete lmfao

Step 1) Don't hit Duty Complete

failed step 1

god i'm too tired lol

[royal granite]

tbh, i didnt even see that in all the chatter

[normal mesa]

My apologies, then! : D

[royal granite]

so, other than that, all is good?

[boreal edge]

except entry ilvl

should be i340

[royal granite]

already changed it

[boreal edge]

kk

[royal granite]

nothing in duty finder setting or loot rules?

[boreal edge]

i350 is too much for i335 primal

that thing only matters on farm

after u kill it

like greed only weapons farm etc

there is lootmaster too

but ppl will avoid your pf

lootmaster is only used when you are running with 7 ppl you know

aka static group

you also need to be fair regarding loot distribution

[royal granite]

doubt i'll ever get into a static so dont have to worry about that i guess.

so about how long should i wait for people to join before i call it a loss?

[boreal edge]

as long it takes to fill

if you didnt get anyone in 30 mins

might just try another time

[stable basin]

hey guys, what would you say is/was the hardest 8-man content?

[radiant tiger]

nael

or i guess ultimate but thats kind of the point

[torn kindle]

For raids Nael for sure.

For trials I'd Say Ramuh/Moggle Mog/Thordan

more towards thordan

[stable basin]

how difficult are SB raids/trials in comparison?

[torn kindle]

For Trials Susano and Lakshmi were both pretty easy, Shinryu is hard in the first phase, Byakko is a bit easier than Shinryu, and Tsukuyomi is a bit below Byakko

[stable basin]

what about omega raids? or alex raids? I heard one savage alex raid took weeks before someone finally downed it

[hybrid rapids]

Ultimate isn’t hard in mechanical wise

Midas is hard

[stable basin]

it's mostly endurance right?

[hybrid rapids]

Imo

Not mostly

Endurance is part of it

Midas a8s is hardest imo

Anyway, is it really matters to know which is hardest?

[stable basin]

i'm asking because i've got a group of friends who are top-tierish wow raiders and I was curious to see how they'd do in ffxiv raids, then they asked if they're hard

[hybrid rapids]

Should compare ffxiv raid with wow then

You’re showing them hardest raid in ffxiv

Comparing with wow mythic?

[stable basin]

ye

[hybrid rapids]

Vanilla WoW was brutal

And death is much more punishing

[stable basin]

true

[hybrid rapids]

But mechanical wise it’s brain dead level in WoW

[stable basin]

there's only like, 3 classes with battleres in wow right?

[hybrid rapids]

Still, it isn’t easy to organise that much of players

Anyway, ffxiv is more intense on mechanic and rotation wise

Since you have only 8

So each of you carrying more weight and/or responsibility

Compared to WoW

I can’t give specific details on trinity

But healing in WoW is important

Ffxiv is just keeping people alive

You don’t have to constantly keeping people full in ffxiv

[boreal edge]

i see ultimate far harder than a8s

[hybrid rapids]

It isn’t

In mechanic wise

[boreal edge]

the only 2 hard parts i seen in a8s was adds phase and gavel

[pure yoke]

A8S has a nice tempo to it though

[hybrid rapids]

Intermission too

A8s

[pure yoke]

A8S doesn't really make you twiddle your thumbs

that much

[boreal edge]

intermission we cheese it by LB3

[hybrid rapids]

🔪

talk about difficulty
then cheese

<inside black man here> ???!!

[boreal edge]

same way ppl lb3 7th umbral era

[hybrid rapids]

U know I can cheese ucob too right?

[pure yoke]

how is lb3 7th Umbral Era cheesing?

[boreal edge]

less dmg?

[pure yoke]

with that logic, LB3 Teraflare/Judgement is cheesing

[boreal edge]

and lb3 intermission is also less dmg?

both can be survived with proper healing and mitigation

[pure yoke]

I'm pretty sure you need SOME kind of Limit Break to survive 7th Umbral

LB1/LB2

[boreal edge]

no

u dont

[hybrid rapids]

I thought you mean lb3 7th umbral era as in building lb3 from it

[boreal edge]

you can survive it completely without it

[hybrid rapids]

You can build another lb3 from 7th umbral

That give you a lb3 at the start of bahamut prime

And you can melee lb3 it

[boreal edge]

they lb3 nael

[hybrid rapids]

???

[pure yoke]

you don't need to lb3 nael

the dps check is lighter than twin

[boreal edge]

build another lb3 by bahamut

[hybrid rapids]

No

How you survive

7th umbral without tank lb2/3?

[boreal edge]

ask the ppl who did it

not me

[pure yoke]

have you done it?

[hybrid rapids]

You can build like 1 only

[pure yoke]

it hurts like hell without LB

[boreal edge]

i didnt but i seen it being done

[hybrid rapids]

Show?

Sch adlo deploy?

Anyway, it sounds suck

Don’t do that

[pure yoke]

if it relies on a critlo

it's unreliable

[hybrid rapids]

I have healed no lb, lb1/2/3

Only survived lb2/3

[stable basin]

so generally t9/thordan were hardest when they were current?

or one of the hardest

[pure yoke]

generally

you don't want to rely on lb'ing twin/nael

for the dps check

[hybrid rapids]

Kaya, it’s pointless to talk about hardest

When you comparing ffxiv raids with wow

[stable basin]

ok then forget the comparison

[hybrid rapids]

Should focus on how difference raid in ffxiv compared to wow

This is important

They are both very different in core

You can’t just take Apple comparing with Chicken chop and evaluate which has more vitamin C

[radiant tiger]

i add apple to my chicken chop

[boreal edge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/LitigiousTastyDiamondAllenHuhu

@hybrid rapids @pure yoke

[radiant tiger]

good choice of music

[boreal edge]

i dont see crit adlo here

and even then

they didnt drop below 50%

[hybrid rapids]

That was stupid and not part of their strat

[radiant tiger]

they dropped way below 50%

[hybrid rapids]

Don’t put progression strat into discussion

[pure yoke]

dude

those guys were critical hp

[hybrid rapids]

It’s more like how to fix the mistakes

[pure yoke]

that doesn't look comfy

[hybrid rapids]

They used most CDs for that and probably die next to March trio

[radiant tiger]

well you can probably check the VOD and see if they did die

[pure yoke]

it's a 36 second clip

[hybrid rapids]

It doesn’t matter

Progression was more on surviving

So they did what they can to survive

[pure yoke]

from what I am listening, this wasn't part of the plan

to do it with no lb

[hybrid rapids]

Yes

[pure yoke]

it's alot easier to just lb2/3 7th umbral era

so you would have actual cooldowns

for trios

[hybrid rapids]

Correct

The main concern to proceed transition is

Saving CDs and Buffs for next fight

So you can have a good start

To save from mistakes later on

[stable basin]

would you guys say ffxiv jobs have high skill caps?

[pure yoke]

depends on the job

[radiant tiger]

some

[pure yoke]

Monk does

[radiant tiger]

ninja

[stable basin]

blm?

[radiant tiger]

yeah

[pure yoke]

Monk is very easy to play a base level

but optimization is a bitch

[hybrid rapids]

Blm has easy rotation doesn’t mean it’s a low skill / brain dead job

[radiant tiger]

nobody says it is

[hybrid rapids]

It required understanding to fight rotations and also pre-positioning

[stable basin]

what's the most braindead job?

[hybrid rapids]

Rdm

[radiant tiger]

RDM

[stable basin]

yeah

[pure yoke]

technically tanks has the most braindead rotation

[stable basin]

you have like a 3 button rotation with a few ogcds here and there

[pure yoke]

but they are tanks so...

[radiant tiger]

theres some optimization like with proc usage

[hybrid rapids]

There had a dps telling others healer is the easiest job

Because 2 buttons to dps

[torn kindle]

I mean, if you ignored EVERYTHING but your DPS buttons then it's true

but healers got more than just DPS buttons

[royal granite]

well, cleared byakko with 10 mintes left.

6 wipes

[torn kindle]

\o/

[vital bolt]

@royal granite then you get to board the farm train

It's a smoooooth ride

Unless it's a trap pf

Or everyone that cleared

Did it face down on the ground

[royal granite]

me and the floor were so close together i thought i was maining Drg

and party disbanded after 3 wipes in 30 minutes

[copper portal]

Hey, is it possible to obtain Mide's gun? I want it for a glamour (glamour was the end-game, right?)

[lyric summit]

it drops in stone vigil

from the final boss

[stoic umbra]

what do yall do with max level gathering retainers

other than getting specific mats

[sour solstice]

quick ventures

[stable basin]

i send all 8 of my retainers on a never ending quick venture

sometimes ill use them to get stuff i need.. seeds / soil etc

[sour solstice]

the 18h ones just arent worth it most of the time

unless you are gunning for

[stable basin]

The uhm donation basket thing they added, the coin bag stuff you get from your retainers can help cap that pretty quick. One worth 2.5k gives u 3k in donations. so might be worth it to just send them out for that once a week lol

[blazing pelican]

On the other hand, daily roulettes give a shit ton of poetics that you can convert into demicrystals for the donation box too

[stable basin]

how much do demicrystals give? i havent thought of that

[sour solstice]

IIRC they vendor for 500

!item demicrystal

[storm frost]

**Demicrystal** : Demimateria

Aetherial residue seeped forth from spiritbound weapons.

[sour solstice]

well that aint helpful

[stable basin]

XD

[steady pebble]

yes, it vendors for 500

[stoic umbra]

ive been using all the allagan coins i saved up for some reason

super useful

[stable basin]

nearly got tsuku ex down

this definitely feels like it's taking longer than a susan/lakshmi ex first clear did

the group i was just with could consistently get it down to around 15% but there weren't enough people alive to stack for the lunacy

[sour solstice]

People dying to shit that isnt meteor

[stable basin]

yeah i don't get it either

people kept getting hit by blades and/or full/new moon

so i just marked myself and said "follow me when blades happen"

and no one got hit ever again :^)

[sour solstice]

yet people still werent alive for lunacy

[glossy musk]

Lol

[stable basin]

yeah i'm actually not sure what they're getting hit by after that

like, i'm a bit too focused on myself

but i think they're getting thwacked by the fans

[barren grove]

I remember progging tsukuyomi some blind ranged or healer would sit their ass on top of the tankbuster

[stable basin]

is the tankbuster physical or magic damage?

[sour solstice]

getting thwacked by fans

[stable basin]

i'm assuming magic because it inflicts magic vuln down

[sour solstice]

[stable basin]

legit yalia, they just stand in the final fan too long

the hagetsu also hurts

[sour solstice]

you move the instant the middle fan goes off, how do people not get this

[stable basin]

i wish i could tell you

[daring berry]

on JP servers, pretty much everyone that cleared once stop dying to meteors since the strat for that here is so braindead

[glossy musk]

I don’t know how people wipe to it

Dps goes left healer goes right tank goes back or whatever order

Doesn’t matter just make sure they move to the right spot and it’s Gucci

[sour solstice]

only good excuse ive ever seen is a DRG that got jumplocked

and even then its like really man, couldnt delay that?

[daring berry]

i once used displacement in the wrong direction at the wrong time during the ending phase of meteor and died to 5 stacks

[sour solstice]

oof

[white crane]

when exactly does ave maria/indolent will snapshot ur view @ clown kefka, i've seen people look at yellow for a split second and never again and are fine, as well as looking at purple for the whole time then away for just an instant to dodge, and would like to know the exact timing on that please
also is it your character's facing or your actual monitor's facing that counts, for example my char is faced away @ yellow but my screen has it on there, if that makes sense

[lyric summit]

it's your character facing away

and it's like a second or two before the gaze animation appears in the middle of the arena (even though you have to look at/away from the statue, not the middle)

[white crane]

what gaze animation in the middle, you mean the aoe explosion?

[lyric summit]

yeah

usually with gazes it registers when the cast ends, but the statue doesn't really have a visible castbar so you just gotta feel it out

[stable basin]

Yeah that's actually a little odd since even untargetable origins tend to appear in the enemy list

[sour solstice]

kefka flips the middle finger to anything you call "conventional"

[vital cypress]

it’s kind of a pain in the ass tbh

[stable basin]

yeah imagine if untargetable origins in general weren't in the enemy list

[sour solstice]

wow I might have to move my camera

so hard

[stable basin]

Shinryu would be a fair bit more difficult and god I'd hate to think what Bismarck would be like

It'd go from being the easy butt monkey primal of HW to one of the hardest in an eyeblink seeing that Bismarck himself is NEVER targetable

[sour solstice]

still brain dead

[supple sail]

Bismarck was like that in HW....

[copper portal]

So, what is the current BiS for a WHM?

[sour solstice]

WHT

wat

[copper portal]

WHM sry

[sour solstice]

oh

theres 4

WHM BIS PIN FUN HAPPY TIMES VERSION

To start, courtesy of Pimoh's ultra sugoi bankai power solver:
High piety without dh http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/158ME
High piety with dh http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/158M8
Low piety without dh http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/158M3
Low piety with dh http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/158LV
See this document for more info https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ev3hrXdEt7yidyMQQdt_mrU-dg-NYZgjsGg9L3FRcG4/edit?usp=sharing

coppied from the balance

[royal granite]

can i leave pf groups without penalty?

this group cant get past the first tiger in byakko

[stable basin]

yeah

[copper portal]

I... what. Could you eli5 me all of that? I'm kinda new to raiding.

[grizzled seal]

low piety means less mana and pretty optimized healing

high piety means more mana

DH is directhit, which works pretty well together with crit in crit comps (bard, sch, drg)

[dull radish]

low vs high piety in these sets is a bit nuanced though

since it's not about the piety you have

but it's a function of how much spellspeed you have in comparison to your piety

since you use more MP with higher spellspeed

[grizzled seal]

Oh

well, you prob wanna opt for a high piety one then if you're new

[vocal fjord]

Hi! I'm in need of wind crystals for crafting. Any idea where I can get some?

[grizzled seal]

marketboard or gathering

http://www.garlandtools.org/db/#item/10

[stable basin]

so what do healeea meld now?

[royal granite]

tenacity

kappa

[grizzled seal]

prob crit or dh

[stable basin]

okay what was direct hit again?

i meldes a crit 6

[copper portal]

High piety then, I like to have more mana

[grizzled seal]

high doesn't mean super high btw

if you run into issues just get more piet

[royal granite]

so, i've ran jade stoa 3-4x's today, havent cleared it once, got close, 3-4% but we died, thought that group would try again but nope, everyone left. and that was our first try