its litterally less dps than tenacity
#endgame-lounge
sour solstice
kindred breach
I don't feel like making 2 different sets for war & pld tho
so would you meld 1 crit & 1 DH or both dh just to be able to play both?
kindred breach
Ok, thanks
sour solstice
the WAR rework is kinda oof for omnitanks
scenic patrol
It's either Warrior loses or Paladin loses
In this caset
Both losses are small though
stable basin
I don't understand the ilvl math in xiv
did they change it so the weapon's weighted as multiple slots?
stable basin
because i've got 355 weapon, three 370 pieces, 360 rest, and it's still only 360 owo
steady pebble
fairly certain that weapon counts twice if its a 2h
stable basin
and it also was 360 before I upgraded my last 350 piece to 360
steady pebble
because paladin's got the off-hand shit
sour solstice
oh right 2 handers
sour solstice
10 ilvls doesnt do much
dull radish
it's always been that way yeah
sour solstice
to an average
stable basin
hmm, so to break 360 you pretty much have to have tsukuyomi or o7s+ for the most part
because otherwise the weapon crashes your average
sour solstice
like
dull radish
no haha
sour solstice
lemme grab a calculator
stable basin
oh right, i keep forgetting about that upgraded crafted
also yeah the hunt seals, wonder how long 2000 hunt seals will take
dull radish
can also get lucky drop
stable basin
(haven't done ridorana this week yet either but I think a friend wants to go with me)
dull radish
combine with weekly stuff from 24-man and if you get stuff from savage weeklies
stable basin
Yeah, I struck out this week on loot from O5S
first weekly I think since I started where I didn't get any of the chest items (not counting first clear which was a 0)
sour solstice
!whois @stable basin
storm frostBOT
steep iris
!whoequip @stable basin
storm frostBOT
stable basin
oh, right. it's the healer necklace i got from savage not the caster owo
how many 350 crafted items do you need to turn in to get an upgraded one?
sour solstice
steep iris
steal loot ree
stable basin
wow, so not only 360, but exactly 360?
wet stag
also keep in mind your ilvl might be different from what kupo says it is
sour solstice
yep
scenic patrol
Hope that my Monk will hit BiS in a few weeks
wet stag
since kupo ilvl calculation is mildly fucked
scenic patrol
stable basin
not that much asks for more than 360 yet
i've seen speed parse savage runs that ask for 365, and one tsuku farm
sour solstice
only thing that will is UwU
stable basin
it still boggles me that the group with insane requirements filled before any of the other ones I saw in pf, though
scenic patrol
Speed run that asks for 365, kek
stable basin
most of my ex farmer friends on siren tend to look a little askance at super high ilvl requests because it seems to them like someone wants a carry
scenic patrol
BTW, those BiS tanks that should join us, let's lock them out
sour solstice
100%
stable basin
Yeah, speed run should definitely cater to bis lol
EX farms I can forgive, because EX farmers often are not hardcore raiders
stable basin
in fact, I know hc raiders who still haven't even done Shinny or more than a few Byakkos
stable basin
"that'll fill next patch"?
sour solstice
how fucking retarded are you
sour solstice
just lighthouse
steep iris
but im fairly sure it's within like 10 dps anyway
sour solstice
ez
stable basin
also, where do you go to turn in the 350 crafted stuff for the aug tokens?
I've got a few pieces I no longer use
scenic patrol
It's for 360 crafted augmented
It's a trap
Mostly
I heard some tanks turned in their Pentamelded accessories
stable basin
owo.
you only have to turn in one 350 HQ weapon to get a 360 HQ weapon
i thought it would be multiple
where are the thav rains from?
sour solstice
creation vendor
stable basin
owo, that bumped me to 361 xD
watch now i'll get the rapier on my first tsuku clear or something LOL
stable basin
so which one of these am i actually supposed to be picking for sch
should i be going by the name or which one has the right jobs in the tooltip?
lunar carbon
:O
opal hollow
how hard are the alexander savages synced compared to current savage?
sour solstice
old alex savage is like
lyric summit
around the same level of difficulty i'd say, maybe a8s is more complicated, and a12s 2nd inception can be pretty difficuly
lyric summit
a3s was hell unsynced in the last patch of HW so i don't even wanna know what it's like synced
or well, overgeared
at least
not unsynced
scenic patrol
Min ilvl will be quite close to original post nerf difficulty
You'll never be able to experience the fights as they released again
lyric summit
you can level to 60 and gear up and do them synced?
scenic patrol
Sure
opal hollow
reeeee
morning people are cancer
ixion spawned
and only 3 people broke 4k dps lmao
out of the 20+ people there
sudden mason
Are the BiS accessories for PLD still the ilvl 350 crafted ones with 5 direct hit?
sudden mason
Thanks!
sour solstice
Is crit better for pld
scenic patrol
Rings with DH
scenic patrol
Crit>DH is BiS
scenic patrol
STR melds are worth more than the overmelding in terms of dps
Wish we could Overmeld STR
sour solstice
cant let tanks have max STR on our right side can we johni
sour solstice
I wonder how ridic Raftter's 7k pad would get
sour solstice
I know
ionic kayak
what can two paladins do in o5s?
light wagon
how hard is o5s in comparison to recent ex trials?
sour solstice
Yeah
lyric summit
the part after adds can get a little crazy
sour solstice
its harder than the EXs
ionic kayak
I mean like do they need to tank swap / Cover at some phases?
sour solstice
but still not that bad
steep iris
Byakko<tsuku<6s<5s<shinryu
lyric summit
all the mecanics separately are easy, but they're getting spammed all at once
steep iris
nah
sour solstice
@ionic kayak there is no forced swap if you do corner strat
steep iris
shin is harder
ionic kayak
and..
steep iris
if the group has good dps the fight is easier than 6s imo
sour solstice
the longer the final phase is the harder the fight
ionic kayak
it is hard to predict when Remorse is about to happen.
sour solstice
its a whistle cast
watch your aggro list
it spawns an add that begins a cast
if you press your anti knockback at the start of the cast your should be golden
steep iris
if you don't know when remorse is coming up you prob aren't paying attention to what the boss casts
sour solstice
PLD has the easiest time of the tanks dealing with it
WAR can holmgang or onslaught
but for DRK its like
steep iris
basically turn your camera around whenever the boss casts diabolic whistle
sour solstice
or just watch your aggro list
ionic kayak
alright...seems like I didnt watch it all the time
sour solstice
do yourself a favor
and just CD and eat head on
so you dont get connectivity
it makes it a bit easier
+more uptime for you
steep iris
if you do that without the healer knowing you're probably gonna die
sour solstice
your healer needs a brain
steep iris
๐ค
steep iris
i mean if you holmgang it
blissful solstice
How the flying hell does the math mechanic work in the new 24 man
sour solstice
you have a nice window
steep iris
you're at 1 hp for however long the healer needs to get back in range
ionic kayak
so I could try using Sentinel for Head On too?
sour solstice
or you could HG it
steep iris
that's if they're war
sour solstice
since you likely dont need hallowed ground
for doom strike
I hate how HG is the shorthand for both
steep iris
I said holmgang tho 
sour solstice
he said he was a PLD earlier
steep iris
o
sour solstice
applying directly to forehead is pretty easy for pld
steep iris
taking head on as war without sch tho
sour solstice
yeah
sour solstice
at least with DRK it gives you 10 years to react
steep iris
like when i was pugging as whm and sch didn't excog
sour solstice
oof
steep iris
or we didn't have an sch
i would always shit myself cause idk if i could get back in range
sour solstice
just smashing that bene button
steep iris
ya basically
scenic patrol
I always do Head On the same
Vengeance plus RI
If healers can't heal me through that
steep iris
as long as you can take an auto
ionic kayak
Yes I was a PLD when Im attempting O5s
ionic kayak
and hmm...wiped couple of times
scenic patrol
And I dislike having OT CDs unused
ionic kayak
oh wait. swap for Prey markers?
ionic kayak
do ST need to commit swap Prey?
sour solstice
for corner
scenic patrol
I swap and put it in a corner
Depends
On how you want to tackle this fight
But I hate no swap O5S
Makes me want to puke
scenic patrol
Especially if they want me to cheese
Sure would be nice if my entire threat lead was deleted cuz my co tank is an imbecile
sour solstice
I hate not having circleshirks in pugs
I have to throw in BBs somtimes
that, and people dont know what a diversion is
scenic patrol
Anyhow, swapping is not necessary, but there is literally no reason not to swap
Like, why are you sitting on tank CDs without using em
sour solstice
as an OT
scenic patrol
Why do the healers need to heal more?
scenic patrol
Just pop Sentinel + Shelltron
It's more than enough
And you'll still have Rampart for Buster
And follow up AAs
ionic kayak
how does Sheltron works? kinda confuse
ionic kayak
I see..
scenic patrol
Also gives mana
steep iris
i actually didn't know sheltron gave mp till a while ago
scenic patrol
It does
storm frostBOT
steep iris
reeeee
scenic patrol
Apparently not enough
ionic kayak
can I just use Sheltron for Head On?
scenic patrol
Either Sentinel or Hallowed
steep iris
<- healer main totally not salty over pugs
blazing pelican
if you under mitigate I will hate you
storm frostBOT
steep iris
!whologs @steep iris
storm frostBOT
steep iris
94.4 o6s
sour solstice
oof
steep iris
๐ญ
sour solstice
crit more
scenic patrol
Well, I am rank 31 on Odin
ionic kayak
how much dmg could a Sheltron mitigate?
scenic patrol
However much your shield can block
At 375 it's 28% iirc
I guess 25%-27% for you
I am not wholly sure
Just remember that it mitigates a single hit
scenic patrol
Odin has a healthy population of raiders tbh
scenic patrol
Matter very little in how you play
Also it's shield
Ilvl matters jack shit
Only shield ilvl matters here
ionic kayak
is there a way I can get a party of 8-man in Discord server? lol
scenic patrol
Be the PF leader and require discord for the raid
heavy mist
@ionic kayak just rampart shelltron
stand at the corner of the top edge
u take some damage, but u live.
This is what i learned in the PLD Balance discord
boreal edge
sheltron mitigation is 21%
torn kindle
sour solstice
are you memeing him rider
boreal edge
@sour solstice sheltron and rampart are closer to 50% mitigation
sour solstice
ah
stiff bridge
Does anybody have a link to machinist openers?
indigo kraken
steady pebble
basically if its savage or extreme trial, you should use PF to find a group
otherwise you'll be waiting in queue for a while
ionic kayak
@heavy mist thanks man. will take note
glossy musk
Nothing at all tbh
grizzled seal
yea but its barely noticeable iirc
ivory tiger
would hit 6% increase at 1366
seems like a reasonable number to hit
medica II and regen would benefit
and aero would deal more
grizzled seal
it's pretty weak compared to crit
ivory tiger
yeah thats fair
grizzled seal
in the end you don't really need the extra healing on your hots
since it won't save you a gcd cast most likely
that said sps whm is super fun to play
grizzled seal
might be
ivory tiger
i hit 1.53s on BLM
grizzled seal
i played sps whm for the entirety of deltascape it's def viable, needs you to always cast tho
ivory tiger
that would be BRD MCH NIN DRG?
split falcon
ye
ivory tiger
two casters and 2 range
NEVER think about mana
x2
bring dark knight
turn off your darkside
grizzled seal
sounds pretty cursed
grizzled seal
๐
ivory tiger
heck
daring berry
lol, i just realised with ACT, you can tell who screwed up Nightfall and killed the DPSes
for once the floor tank didnt do his job and die with the rest of us.
sour solstice
7:45 and the WHM's biggest hit is Stone IV
not sure if unlucky or forgetting assize
grizzled seal
prob didn't directcrit an assize
ivory tiger
thats a nice hit for a stone 4
daring berry
the fight actually took 9 minutes, i think i need to set the timeout before log split to be longer
lyric summit
if you don't separate it between phases then you'll have either super low dps because of a longass transition or super high dps because of padding on adds, it's better when it resets for the final phase imo
daring berry
so what's the best timeout period? default was 6 seconds if i remember right
i currently have it set to 25.
dull radish
I just set it super high
it's best to not have it reset at all
you're parsing an encounter, not parsing for when you have uptime
daring berry
oh lol
cause sometimes if we wipe and the tank decide to pull immediately, the 2 encounters get merged together
dull radish
I think mine's still at like 45s or something
yeah you can /e end
to manually end encounter
otherwise, fflogs will just split it up naturally when uploaded
well, at least usually so haha
unreal flax
I have a /e end macro on my non-combat CHB. I started using it more after each pull because sometimes, the triggernometry plugin gets fucked up in O7S.
stoic umbra
swallow has weapons right?
scenic patrol
Only leveling dungeons have weapons
sour solstice
and Ala Mhigo
stoic umbra
aight
pastel drift
lunar hollow
At this point I dunno if it would be better to do eureka for weapons or get the tokens from sigmascape
I went to eureka once and nopeโd after about 30 minutes of wandering
glossy musk
Eureka will be important considering the new Eureka is coming
lyric summit
or just do tsukuyomi
I doubt new eureka will require old eureka weapons, it's already kinda impossible to catch up
lusty oak
ut will req lv 20
normal mesa
it is 100% not impossible to catch up
it's just a lot slower than it use to be.
chip away at it while watching netflix.
normal mesa
eh at the start it was easier to get a level 1-5 party, that's all I mean
sour solstice
the logs are really 
normal mesa
"starts a bit slower" is more accurate to me
I know this from firsthand experience cuz i have two alts
and one main
main is level 19 atm (will grind out that last level Soon) and alts are like level...4 and almost 9 iirc?
sour solstice
it was probably fastest at the start, idk it wasnt there
but its a hell of a lot easier now
normal mesa
and that's just with really really casual hour-to-two hour sessions
sour solstice
than it was 4 weeks ago
@wet stag know any good mobs to get the Elemental log at 15?
light wagon
How does gearing from savage work? Is it like normal where you roll for an item then exchange it?
lyric summit
you get 2 random drops from each floor for your first clear for the week, plus a page which you can exchange for gear if your stuff doesn't drop for 4/6/8 weeks in a row
scenic patrol
Also upgrade tokens drop directly from chests
scenic patrol
6 has tomestones and polish
7 has Weave and Solvent
Solvent is currently savage exclusive
stoic umbra
which level 6 materia arent used at all that i can convert
sour solstice
Piety
lyric summit
int, dex
sour solstice
mind
scenic patrol
Main stat materia that aren't STR or VIT
stoic umbra
what are the main stats?
sour solstice
sks/sps are fairly niche
steady pebble
Dex, Int, Str, Vit
sour solstice
and mind
steady pebble
knew i was forgetting one
scenic patrol
Only VIT and STR have value
steady pebble
but brain no work
scenic patrol
STR due to tanks
stoic umbra
i can also convert piety yes?
split falcon
vit only has value for ultimate raiders
steady pebble
boo yalia, boo
sour solstice
piety melds are 
split falcon
and during prog
scenic patrol
Not true
stoic umbra
so it's dex, int, mind, and piety that i will convert, thanks
lyric summit
vit melds are good for everyone for savage prog
split falcon
but if you're not progging a lot of people don't bother with it
scenic patrol
Godka prog pre ilvl 360 is oof
split falcon
Lexine - Today at 4:57 PM
and during prog
scenic patrol
Without vit melds
stoic umbra
what's prog
scenic patrol
Should have made the comment together with the original one
Progression
Aka learning hard fights
stoic umbra
people meld vit just for progressing?
stoic umbra
i c
vital cypress
oh
sour solstice
extra great on WAR because DH sucks balls
vital cypress
how much health should a BRD have pre-food in O8
scenic patrol
Wut?
sour solstice
then again if you die on war how asleep are you
scenic patrol
Probably
vital cypress
our BRD seems to die to stuff
scenic patrol
But I feel like they got tired of raiding in FFXIV
vital cypress
or I wind up being the last non-tank standing because Iโm ultra conservative and run full Vit melds in i370 gear
scenic patrol
We raid like 1 hour and a half weekly
Only to get loot
We complete weeklies quite fast now
Only Guardian and choo choo are an obstacle
scenic patrol
Godka is a very consistent fight bar trines
Also the DPS check is quite mild
Clownka has a harder enrage
vital cypress
(I should probably drop the vitality melds but eh)
dull radish
at the same time, you're not missing out on all that much from just keeping the vit melds
even with 370, if you're progging, I'd generally still just run VIT melds unless there was a strong reason not to
hybrid rapids
VIT is a god-sent
vital cypress
the one thing Iโm worried about is the HP-to-1 stuff followed by Totally Not White Hole
normal mesa
i put vit back on after clearing godka actually
cuz uh, what was it
third forsaken
hybrid rapids
Heartless? Itโs fixed
normal mesa
took extra mitigation for me for some odd reason. I'd drop to zero from full
hybrid rapids
Try to talk with you co healer
normal mesa
they didn't like having to throw up extra mitigation vs the norm for them
dull radish
there's some reasoning behind the heartless and wanting to limit VIT melds a bit, but it's not enough to really make a difference
vital cypress
Iโm deeps :x
dull radish
since you like, "outpace your defense with HP" which you can reason out to seem to make sense to not want extra HP
but it's not enough of an impact to really make extra VIT any concern
well, outpace defense + healing, but yeah haha
it doesn't matter
VIT is cozy
keep them while progging unless healers tell you otherwise
vital cypress
o-k
dull radish
and then maybe you can start to consider otherwise
split falcon
i just meld vit for initial prog and replace it as we go through prog
for savage
ultimate is 100% vit
savage is much more mild in terms of "needing" to meld vit, i didn't do it much/at all this tier because i got a lot of savage drops to put me ahead on health of everyone else anyway
dull radish
yeah
but at the same time, it's one of those things that's like, I dunno no reason to not just run VIT anwyays
prog is generally pretty quick anyways, and sometimes a bit of HP means you live through something you wouldn't otherwise
split falcon
i mean it's definitely a loss to run vit over real melds, so if i'm not dying to raidwides and my healers are okay with it i'm not gonna run vit
it's a smaller loss
dull radish
it's a pretty dang minor loss
split falcon
but it could also be the difference between .1% enrage
dull radish
eh
split falcon
which you see here and there during prog
dull radish
honestly VIT melds vs non VIT melds is like within damage variance
split falcon
i'm not saying it's not
hybrid rapids
Itโs very minor
split falcon
but i'm saying if everyone's comfortable and you're not dying to anything during prog, no reason to keep running vit melds
scenic patrol
It's below the damage variance
dull radish
there's always a "what if" though
scenic patrol
hybrid rapids
Mistakes do happens
split falcon
it can
split falcon
but that's in a situation where you're not consistent and an extra 5k random dmg is coming out of nowhere
but like i've already said
this is a situation in which everyone's comfortably surviving everything
dull radish
and that's not really something you guarantee during prog
split falcon
and vit melds aren't needed
dull radish
realistically
dull radish
not really
split falcon
we were reasonably consistent during prog with mitigation/healing so we dropped vit melds quite early
hybrid rapids
Auto attack critical in rows does happens
Rng damage does happens
Damage isnโt a fixed number
normal mesa
our group saw that me keeping my vit melds was more useful overall, the dps gain for the healers was something they saw as worth me keeping/a worthy sacrifice /shrug
split falcon
you can say that about current content
but i'm not melding vit for savage 2384972947832 weeks into it
normal mesa
plus I can be slightly more greedy with leaving my toe in mechanics that way
dull radish
I would, if I was progging
100%
because that means there's some element of uncertainty
split falcon
i do it for ultimate
dull radish
otherwise we woudl have cleared already
split falcon
but savage is kinda meh rn anyway
hybrid rapids
Savage still kill you
dull radish
well yeah, but if you're progging right now still, there's a reason
dull radish
and then, VIT melds have a lot more value
hybrid rapids
This game isnโt about dps only
lusty oak
i still keep 1 vit on BRD for weeklies
split falcon
ye i hear you
lusty oak
for random shit and mishaps
split falcon
but i'm saying it's okay to drop vit melds during prog if everyone's comfortable with it
normal mesa
eh my group cleared kefka very late (due to when they formed/started) and it's already almost uwu time sooo i put 'em back in.
split falcon
it's obviously not just one person going 
me no want meld vit
hybrid rapids
And died from light judgement and blame healer?
split falcon
never happened to me
0 vit melds
less magic defense than other classes because ranged memes
if someone died from light of judgement it wasn't by that small of a margin either
hybrid rapids
Itโs pointless to argue over this
split falcon
maybe in other groups yeah
hybrid rapids
I donโt really care how you progressed
hybrid rapids
Generally advices to meld VIT
split falcon
i'm not saying you're wrong
dull radish
I've barely died to LoJ
split falcon
i'm just saying there are situations where it's not necessary
vit melds are fantastic and lifesavers in prog
no one's arguing against that
hybrid rapids
And idk uwu yet but in ucob we survived with 200~400 HP remaining sometimes
hybrid rapids
Especially you donโt want to die from morn afah because lacking 100 HP or something
split falcon
again, no one said any different, and i personally agree that vit melds are 100% necessary in ultimate prog
but ultimate also isn't savage, savage is pretty tame in comparison
dull radish
I can't respond promptly because I'm in a dungeon ahha
split falcon
no one arguing with you there
hybrid rapids
My point was I wonโt choose to remove VIT meld from accessories because cleared the fight etc
Unless doing a speed run / optimizing run
split falcon
ye
hybrid rapids
We have enough suffers from damage rng
dull radish
at least if you wanna be serious about prog
split falcon
if savage made me feel like i needed to keep vit melds in then maybe
but it never feels that way after first/second clear
hybrid rapids
I know can clear ultimate without any vit meld
split falcon
ultimate and savage are completely different animals though
hybrid rapids
I do agree Savage is simple
split falcon
savage is like kiddie pool compared to ultimate
hybrid rapids
Itโs much more easier to control it
Did you cleared ucob? Was doing full VIT too?
We had a lot suffers from random raid wide damage
hybrid rapids
I know, I donโt really care for savage
With or without VIT is still managed to clear
But would advice new / PUG players going with VIT
Unless they are doing speed/parse run
hybrid rapids
Static is more consistence
vital cypress
Iโm bad so it helps
hybrid rapids
Venture
primal belfry
Is there a eureka guide
primal belfry
Magic board
lyric summit
that had a tutorial pop-up in game, you put all your points in one element, then turn it to the appropriate element to deal more damage to the mobs, they have an element next to their level, and you can see which element on the magia board "attacks" which one with the arrows that are highlited when you start turning the board
unreal flax
Look at this fuckin trash can drg
sour solstice
who dat
unreal flax
Me
sour solstice
Blue means you at least have a clue
unreal flax
My fuckin O7S is higher than my O5S.
sour solstice
pad moar
unreal flax
OH YEAH!, I forgot about that. There's a ton of padding in there.
sour solstice
unreal flax
No pad, no skip, no feels good
sour solstice
tell your WAR to suck it up and skip
pine beacon
Ye. It's definitely a padfest. Not so much so that you can't get oranges without padding
But rough, nonetheless
๐
dull radish
throttle skip doesn't help nearly as much as some folks would think
in quite a lot of cases, it's actually a pdps loss
for most of the party
since you're actively not hitting a thing for a period of time, when you could be
scenic patrol
It's mostly rDPS loss
dull radish
it's an rDPS gain within certain killtimes
as well as pDPS
but most parties, nahh
better off just not doing skip, at least dps-wise
wet stag
just kill it before the buster ๐
pine beacon
๐คท it's a tradeoff
It's a full, synchronized second opener
Without having to hold buffs for the full party
split falcon
We just have our NIN do it since heโs really enthusiastic about it
Doing the ghosts as mch makes me want to die so Iโm all for it
dull radish
yeah that sounds unfortuante as MCH haha
skip as NIN isn't that bad,but it's spookier than easy mode WAR or RDM skip
split falcon
yeah
paper torrent
It's actually a fun skip to do
split falcon
It makes me really not want to do that fight as a war though
cause everyone is like โwe only know war stratโ
scenic patrol
3rd IR is lost in any decent party
paper torrent
Oh yeah it kinda does invite the fuckbois
scenic patrol
So it's either you pad or you don't
Also by skipping I gain more dps on Choo Choo since I can hold IR for trick
split falcon
canโt you do that without skipping and using IR on adds though?
scenic patrol
No
split falcon
I donโt know I donโt WAR in that fight often
only for rando pugs or to help people
scenic patrol
If I want IR on Adds I'll even use IR one GCD earlier in the opener
IR is available about 1 to 3 GCDs into adds
stable basin
I find that WAR cheese is barely ever used in PUG weeklies anymore
Occasionally, people try it, and we die, LOL
pure yoke
you don't really sync buffs
stable basin
I don't think I've seen a WAR fail it but I'm good at messing it up on RDM
pure yoke
until the end for o5s anyways
all train skip does is make it so the boss can get hit faster
royal granite
question, when should i be looking to do savage content? main is RDM ilvl 352
and what does savage content offer?
lusty oak
i370 gear and itsy-bitsy feel of challenge
and probably wish to get better at your job
royal granite
i feel i do just fine as RDM, usually top of the agroo list just under the tank in every fight.
normal mesa
You'll have a wider pool of more experienced RDM to compare against if you dip into Savage
pine beacon
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normal mesa
Savage can be very hard or very simple depending on your own MMO skill and experience, but most people I know who raid find it enjoyable for 1) challenge 2) feeling of progression outside the story 3) SHINY FANCY GEAR THAT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT MYSELF I mean what lmfao
pine beacon
Enmity list is a very poor point of reference for output
royal granite
i use my emnity to track my dps
normal mesa
(I actually knew someone who that was their reason. Higher ilvl just made them feel good about how much time they'd sunk into the game and that's what kept raiding fun. To each their own...)
that's
pine beacon
Why?
normal mesa
not a good way to
the BLM uses lucid and diversion and now he's lower than you but pulling higher numbers
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pine beacon
That's not an indicator of your dps
royal granite
if i'm above the other dps then i'm doing goof in dps imo, if i'm below, i need to fix something to get above them, even if they are better geared then me.
normal mesa
it's not a matter of opinion
pine beacon
Diversion
normal mesa
It's numerical.
pine beacon
Tactician/refresh
normal mesa
There are hard numbers, friend.
royal granite
o5s dummy?
normal mesa
pine beacon
Ye. Stone Sky Sea
royal granite
and i have used the chocobo only once when they gave it to me
normal mesa
in Stone Sea Sky. Unlocks in Rhalgr's
yeah no I mean for this specifically. Stone Sea Sky. Unlock in Rhalgr's. Or near it. IDR. Do the dummy, note the percentage left when time runs out, or how much spare time is left when you finish it. Plug that into the website I linked
You'll obtain your actual numerical Damage Per Second.
royal granite
ok, and where is this place at?
royal granite
i've neevr heard of stone sky sea
normal mesa
go to Rhalgr's Reach to find the quest, near the exit? Someone correct me if I have the location wrong
There is a man outside the entrance, has a chocobo, he'll teleport you up once it's unlocked
Stone Sea Sky is a way for you to test if you can output the actual numbers to finish a fight. Rough estimate, sure, but it's the tool the devs put in the game for people to use. It's a good start for beginners.
royal granite
at least it's not a parser. ^.^
sturdy sorrel
It is
normal mesa
Parsers are immensely useful.
normal mesa
It's the closest to an in-game one, it parses a dummy fight for you, using the specifications that the devs put in for the job in question and the fight in question.
pine beacon
Beyond that, that site fulfills the same function that act does
Output/time
Based on the dummy's hp
normal mesa
Yup.
daring berry
technically it is, since you need to maintain a certain dps to even kill it within the specific time.
royal granite
it's same function yes, but it's not... the same as act or fflogs
trail dock
What is bad about FFLogs or ACT?
royal granite
i dont feel like getting banned
pine beacon
There's no reason to demonize a tool
daring berry
something something people see my numbers without permission
trail dock
You won't.
pine beacon
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stable basin
Devs watch ultimate prog streams with visible ACT overlays and don't ban
trail dock
^
stable basin
Just don't use it to harass anyone
daring berry
they already said, as long as you dont use the logs to harass, you wont be banned
wet stag
theyll only ban you if you use it to harass people
normal mesa
It's a wonderful learning tool.
trail dock
Tools are tools.
normal mesa
I am able to show logs to another person who plays my job and they can go over it with me and help me find weak points
trail dock
Up to you whether you wanna use it for bad or good.
Something something do the right thing
normal mesa
Play with integrity and you'll rarely be led astray.
But in lieu of something like ACT/FFlogs, go for the Stone Sea Sky. It's a good test. See where you're at. @royal granite
normal mesa
-nods-
okay
do it again.
Do it again until you can beat it. Then proceed to the next.
Dig up rotation guides if you think you've got something amiss.
daring berry
the o5s dummy? i remember you need at least 4.8k to kill it with seconds to spare
trail dock
Yep
royal granite
RDM doesnt really have a rotation guide...
normal mesa
Yes it does.
trail dock
It does
normal mesa
All jobs do.
trail dock
Gonna dig up a guide for you, wait
royal granite
it does and doesnt.
normal mesa
Even 'priority system' jobs like SMN and RDM.
I would know. I thought SMN couldn't have a real guide. I was wrong. Oh so very wrong.
royal granite
i honestly dont need a guide on how to play RDM though, it's really straight foward, use it when it's up, if it isnt up force it up, for melee skills, 1,2,double,1,2,3,flar/holy,fleche/sixte
other than that i bring up black.white evenly
normal mesa
....
trail dock
Yes you do if you cannot beat a dummy.
royal granite
and force procs when needed
scenic patrol
When do you use Displacement and whatever the gap closer is?
normal mesa
Okay, but that's the point we're trying to make.
wet stag
you should read a guide anyway just so you can confirm what you know
royal granite
@scenic patrol when i have 100 b/w mana
normal mesa
350 is the min ilvl for that dummy, isn't it? or was it 340?
wet stag
you wont be clearing savage with that attitude
scenic patrol
Read a guide...
normal mesa
Always be open to learning, or you will not clear.
scenic patrol
You don't know your opener
normal mesa
Assuming you always know right is a ticket to walling on 5s.
trail dock
Miziutte and Faye dropping mad knowledge
wet stag
wait
when i have 100 b/w mana
fuck off you dont know how to play rdm
read a damn guide
normal mesa
While it's immensly frustrating to realize that you've been playing at a level that isn't up to snuff with the content that you now want to run (should you still want to run savage) you'll need to get past that point and allow yourself to be wrong.
normal mesa
I don't even have RDM unlocked on my main, and only have it to what, 52 on my alt, iirc?
trail dock
\o/
normal mesa
Am I correct in recalling you never wanna fully top out 100/100 on your b/w mana?
trail dock
Yep
trail dock
Unless Manafication I think?
normal mesa
and I know this.
lusty oak
u need 80/80+ for combo
wet stag
you wanna use corps a corps at 80/80
trail dock
Actually
scenic patrol
Also you want to use Displacement and Corps on VD
lusty oak
and not equal to get proc from Flare/Holy
trail dock
I think you need to use them on cd
scenic patrol
Not line it up with melee
royal granite
i noticed when i waited for 80/80 i wouldnt have enough to finish the combo
so i went for 100/100
trail dock
You always do
stable basin
normal mesa
Please, nobody is insulting your skill, nor intelligence for not knowing everything perfectly, nor is anyone saying you're BAD at the job. If you want to run Savage-level content and above, you WILL need to learn further optimization of the chosen job.
trail dock
80/80 IS the required mana
lusty oak
wet stag
im saying hes bad at the job
royal granite
ah, i asve them for mobility incase i'm caught out
normal mesa
Okay, I'll amend my statement, SOME are saying you're bad at the job. I merely see a learning opportunity, much as the wake-up call I had back in Gordias about SMN.
royal granite
and melee phase
stable basin
Best use of displacement is to flip off of platforms
royal granite
only done that once... ๐
trail dock
That comes down to knowing the fight
scenic patrol
So you save it in case you play bad?
daring berry
am RDM, can confirm i flipped off lakshmi's platform before
scenic patrol
stable basin
I flipped off O5S platform 10 seconds into the first clear party I joined
trail dock
Ree
stable basin
Protip don't try to backflip from the corner
Also don't backflip into boxes forming
trail dock
Don't backflip into gravitas either
wet stag
OOF
scenic patrol
Back flip into already formed boxes to stay at melee
royal granite
@scenic patrol not really for if i play bad, more so for if i get an aoe marker on me or an ally nearby and need to get away, i'd feel better flipping or dashing away quickly rather than running incase soemone goes in the direction i would have run. i always keep behind me clear of allies.
scenic patrol
Eh
wet stag
^^
scenic patrol
SMN is much more mobile
stable basin
Backflipping into safe zones does feel amazing
normal mesa
It's still fairly mobile.
trail dock
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT BAHAMUT
royal granite
that's cause summoner doesnt do anything, it's all the pet. kappa
scenic patrol
I still don't think of a case where I would want to save Displacement and Corps aside from demonic stone
scenic patrol
For demonic stone it sounds amazing
normal mesa
ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3ruin3
scenic patrol
Displacement away
scenic patrol
And then Corps back in
daring berry
that moment i realised who killed the dps group with Nightfall in tsukuEX when the WHM died together with us.
normal mesa
But yeah, take it as that, perhaps, you play RDM well enough for normal and hard mode, maybe Extreme, but that you'd need to learn more optimization for Savage, if that helps?
Either way, beat the o5s dummy before wandering in, imho
wet stag
thats some sugar coating not gonna lie
royal granite
which one is o5s?
stable basin
spooky choochoo
trail dock
Have fun
scenic patrol
It's by the RDM mentor, so should be legit
trail dock
It is as of 4.1
wet stag
if you're waiting for 100 each for corps a corps you're not paying attention to literally the 2nd most basic part of your job
trail dock
Nothing changed except BiS
scenic patrol
How long does it take to get to 80?
wet stag
depends on procs
daring berry
i tried 100/100 once when i had manafication and embolden up
tried to squeeze 2 sword combos into 1 embolden
wet stag
but on average about 40s
scenic patrol
So no pot if you use it on the opener
wet stag
maybe just below
trail dock
You can't
scenic patrol
So both Corps and Displacement outside pot window
trail dock
Manafication breaks combos
scenic patrol
wet stag
but manafication for opener