tfw almost 6k with a 355 wep <_<
#endgame-lounge
sullen sable
scenic patrol
unreal flax
wtf. That's almost exactly 2k more than when I went in there. ugh.
scenic patrol
a bunch of BiS players going at a Dungeon is amusing as heck
unreal flax
Ohhh everyone's BiS. I still need another clan book to get to i370, but I won't (potentially) get the right pants until next week's O7S.
scenic patrol
me and the DRG are most likely BiS at that dungeon, dunno about the BRD but his numbers were respectable
it wasn't premade
just a legendary DF group
unreal flax
Ah
I'm gonna try to clear TsukEx T O N I G H T, (not that I need to or anything) and then spend the rest of the weekend progging in Kefka.
true lark
stable basin
heh, unfortunately these past few days you've often had to look at your hotbars
with the lag you could never be sure that your procs registered
or even non hotbar procs, wednesday in o5s i was ending up hardcasting veraero/verthunder left and right because the damn dualcast wasn't registering with the lag
... and the first pull was a sliver hp enrage wipe, feels bad man
scenic patrol
People see Enrage in O5S still?
sullen sable
PF is a magical place
stable basin
usually it's because of deaths and grabs
we had an unhealthy number of both that party
and this from experienced players who i know have proper reaction times because i've farmed shinryu with some of them
the lag the first couple days of 4.3 was unreal, and it was also on a very individual basis so you had the additional luck of "will half the party be badly laggy"
like ... first time I tried the normal trial on launch night we ended up vote abandoning and friends called it a night because I and one of them were getting 5-10 second lag spikes
I was literally seeing people announcing me in their rez macros in the chat box before I'd even registered as dead on my end
(which is also bizarre, whatever the lag thing was, it only affected the actual game, not the chat box)
daring berry
chat is usually seperated into their own server than the game content server.
stable basin
TBH things are still a little randomly laggy, I'm randomly seeing it take a couple seconds to entrust an item to my retainer and then the next item is fine
... which from XIV's standpoint is probably the worst case of all, even consistent bad ping (from what I understand EU players had this as a constant during ARR in particular?) is easier to adjust for than spiky
sullen sable
Pretty much true for any game
stable basin
and the new trial has tight timing interactions, those seem to be a particular problem in pugs
sour solstice
@scenic patrol I saw one when I tried for a weekly clear on wednesday
At this point im just used to it
stable basin
as in, ones (e.g., that shit on A10S and the churn/raisen combo on Susano Ex) where you can't dodge too late but you can't dodge too early either
Pug people still get got by Churn/Raisen too
unreal flax
I go Crit DH Det, but Crit Det DH is fine as well
unreal flax
Right now, I'm Crit/Det/DH because I have trash tomes weapon and trash tomes pants.
heavy frigate
I see
storm frostBOT
heavy frigate
Thank you everyone
unreal flax
Anytime
sour solstice
@kind schooner I dont know of any similar image, but theres a text DRG guide right there
kind schooner
Thanks
unreal flax
There used to be images like that during HW, but I haven't seen one for SB.
kind schooner
It’s going to feel so weird not just spamming jump skills off cool down and immediately using Gier
unreal flax
I really love current DRG, but TsukEx's phase transitions annoy me.
glossy musk
Imagine if we had websites that didn’t suck like icyveins to compile class information
kind schooner
I’m not sure how I feel about it, I’m starting to fall asleep playing it because of how rigid and unchanging it is
kind schooner
I mean still better than heavens ward where dropping blood of the dragon was a death sentence, now it’s almost permanently up
unreal flax
Yeah, these days, BotD is 100% uptime unless you're as bad as me, and it's all about getting the most out of Life over the course of the fight.
kind schooner
Yeah I’m hoping hitting 70 makes it more fun
unreal flax
Oh you're not 70 yet? Ooooh man, it's nice at 70.
boreal edge
@sullen sable were u talking about my dps?
kind schooner
Right now it’s just feeling bad that I dropped samurai for this even though samurai was give me a headache because of many times phase transitions fucked my whole buff+sen combo up
Nah I’m 68 now
unreal flax
Nastrond is basically the better Geirskogul.
heavy frigate
The effect looks nice too
kind schooner
I can probably be 70 today if I spam that castrum dungeon. I have full rested
But two levels is a decent chunk of grind
unreal flax
Phase timing and fight length have a much bigger impact on when you use Geirskogul and its relationship with the third Mirage Dive.
boreal edge
@sullen sable when u said almost 6k with i355 wep
pure yoke
with what job
sullen sable
unreal flax
6k with the i355 weapon on DRG?
sullen sable
was around that during siren
unreal flax
Oh okay O6S.
sullen sable
👌🏾
unreal flax
Well, I was almost 6k at the end of the fight and then I died. I don't remember what I died t-- WAIT NO, I remember. I died to my own greed.
I was inside the rock instead of behind it.
unreal flax
I was so hype, too. it would have been my best run. And then it was very suddenly one of my worst.
sullen sable
unreal flax
I think when I died, I either had three eyes or had just entered life. Shit was about to get active. And then I was washed away in a sea of my own tears and the sounds of my median falling.
sullen sable
so it goes
i almost resubbed after i did that fight
had the urge to do everything as drg to see how i do
pure yoke
I am going to clear the tier on samurai
steady pebble
😮
pure yoke
!whologs @pure yoke
storm frostBOT
sullen sable
Samurai main espresso mug
unreal flax
When did you go back to your old glam, mug?
pure yoke
a few days ago
unreal flax
Ah
stable basin
could anyone give me a hand here please? https://i.imgur.com/n1LLacR.png
i can finish it off with a CS2 but I'm not comfortable leaving it at 82%
cunning forum
why seafood instead of matchaHQ?
stable basin
I've tried with matcha and it's not that much better, about 2% more HQ
cunning forum
84>82 tho
unreal flax
Lmao, Virs. That death made the O6S run literally my worst run hahaha
stable basin
yeah but knowing this game, anything other than 100% will be NQ
cunning forum
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unreal flax
pensive
unreal flax
Ended up with double weakness cuz wave killed me. Rezzed into AoE spam, but before the heals went out lol
unreal flax
light wagon
Which part does your pf usually have the most trouble with in tsuku ex?
scenic patrol
My guess is Meteors
sour solstice
Meteors
unreal flax
Easily meteors. Impossible mechanic
If there was a single way to do it, the fight would be residentsleeper, but because there are 180 different ways to safely do it, no one knows how to do it.
shadow pollen
it’s the best and worst thing
There’s so many ways to do it
But the bad thing is
There’s so many ways to do it
dull radish
horizontal virus <3
last galleon
i've subbed for groups that do horizontal virus but as a ranged i'm not sure i observe a substantial difference
dull radish
it really doesn't change anything
unreal flax
Yeah, the same four corners are used, it just changes who's in which. As a melee, all I care about is not getting abandonment from a fuckin antsy SAM.
normal mesa
one of my groups does horizontal and i hate it
cuz i always end up unable to attack right before i get yanked, as a ranged
vertical, i'm able to keep attacking the entire time
dull radish
sounds like your tanks need to work on positioning
never had a problem getting outranged with whatever orientation unless the tanks position the boss improperly
normal mesa
they pull him west :^)
pure yoke
holy shit
you can actually save people
who get zombie'd
in Raban final boss
I did a benedict on him for fun
and he didn't die
he turn back to normal
unreal flax
Whoa. That's dope.
stable basin
hmm, I wonder why Aether seems to be a lot more laggy than Primal
dull radish
what gives you that impression
stable basin
one, i've had a lot of anecdotes indicating such since the patch, two, i'm faffing about with a friend on primal alts rn and it seems like there is a lot less lag
pure yoke
Primal and Aether is basically on the same server
stable basin
when we were on our mains on aether earlier, it was getting really bad, like we were at Azim getting the new aethersand material and a friend of ours was there also and the response time was getting horrid
torn kindle
I like to save people who can't do the random movement with the giant donut aoe with rescue
stable basin
That 122 death C7 kill on Reddit is glorious
unreal flax
TsukEx has an enrage?
stable basin
yup
Around 11:40ish, depending on how long add phase takes
She spams Lunacy until you're all dead
unreal flax
Oh nice.
lyric tinsel
Hiya, does anyone know webiste with crafting macros ? (1624Craft 1574 control 464 CP )
lyric tinsel
oh wow x)
outer garden
if you need 4.3 stuff try this post https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8lohzy/ffxiv_crafter_gatherer_endgame_progression_guide/
lyric tinsel
thanks tho
high ether
chest and legs first
torn kindle
In terms of stat gains it’s this:
Weapon>Chest/Legs>Helm/Gloves/Boots>Belt>Accessories
agile python
Isn't Aether a super full server?
Might explain it.
steady pebble
aether isn't a server xD
sour solstice
its a DC
torn kindle
We do have the only Congested Server left
which is the quarantine zone known as Balmung
sour solstice
on NA
torn kindle
TFW Mateus is about the same size as Gilgamesh
Man, the tables have turned
I remember when Mateus was the butt joke of Aether
gloomy kestrel
So. I play a DRK on my main. I've actually never tanked a 24 man dungeon and I've played through the entirety of stormblood as a tank (I switched from MCH just before stormblood came out). Any advice for tanking?
sour solstice
tanking a 24 man is basically the same as tanking an 8 man
except theres 2 off tanks
and you dont need to shirk the MT
(you actually cant)
gloomy kestrel
Huh....I've actually never used shirk before. So just picka target group on the trash and either main or off tank the bosses. And watch a vid.
sour solstice
if you are OTing and there is no swaps
Just shirk the MT from time to time
it helps
scenic patrol
Provoke + shirk for higher Enmity
sour solstice
the good ol circleshirk if you are duo'd
gloomy kestrel
XD
gloomy kestrel
Fair enough. Thanks for the help.
tiny kraken
Fishing question, is there a way to save bait when I'm trying to catch a certain fish in a certain tug pattern and don't want everything else?
dull radish
unfortunately not
scenic patrol
paper torrent
😂 👌
cunning forum
tank swaps are the least original tanking mechanic and I wish they would do something else
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sour solstice
Have you played WoW
blazing pelican
we only have so many flavors of tank mechs
cunning forum
never played wow
sour solstice
This game has like
blazing pelican
Stack, spread, swap, mitigate, dodge, press a button, look away, line of sight, place, heal, burn
blazing pelican
Those are our mechs for the most part
supple sail
They already went to all the trouble of undoing that for LotA...
flint slate
you guys figure what do on doman enclave donation ? what iten donate and points to make ?
high ether
you just sell items until you hit that 20k cap
supple sail
literally anything.
supple sail
A week's worth of Allagan pieces from retainer quick ventures
and you're sorted
that's more than enough.
they pay you 120% of the item's vendor sale value.
supple sail
That modifier will increase as you progress through the weeks
flint slate
so hit 20,000 is fine no need more then this ?
supple sail
You can't donate more after hitting 20,000
that's the cap.
That will increase in subsequent weeks too, probably.
flint slate
gotcha thansk big
torn kindle
Demicrystals are a good one. 25 Poetics for 500 gil is great for vendoring to Doma.
And also the pre-built houses like the ones from the workshop
they have a base selling price of 3-4k and the medium/large houses are usually at vendor prices.
flint slate
Hmm demicrystals is a nice deal
valid gate
week 17
still waiting to run 8s with a pug group that doesnt expect me to obligate 2 hours to dumb mistakes
flint slate
/pet die
stable basin
You realize not everyone is a content rusher owo
cunning forum
isnt a single instance a 90 minute commitment? 🤔
stable basin
Though you wouldn't believe it lately on siren
stable basin
... i can't even do freaking namazu without there being a cloud of purple doggos in the sky
scenic patrol
stable basin
that's what i mean by content rushers IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN OUT A WEEK YET AND LIKE HALF THE SERVER SEEMS TO BE RUSHING TO FARM
scenic patrol
People are bored
pure yoke
it's not that hard to clear week 1
scenic patrol
And they pace themselves differently than you
pure yoke
I helped people clear it in a single afternoon, also because i365
stable basin
I didn't even start seeing Shinryu doggos appear more than sporadically till 4.3 let people buy them with totems, tbh
even in Eureka they were rare
cunning forum
I havent cleared extreme primal yet 😦
hybrid rapids
hardest part to clear week 1 isn't the difficulty of the content itself
- gearing up yourself (including melds)
- a competent group
- meals & pot
cunning forum
having settled on some as-of-yet- unclear strategy
this learning group has yet to make it past first meteors
because doom keeps wiping half the party
orz
near inlet
@sage totem @mighty shale @sour solstice and anyone else that cleared Tsu EX, I'm kinda confused as to what you do once you hit what seems to be Tsu goin from Black to White forms
sour solstice
I havent cleared Tsu
and are you talking about floor
or the back thing
I have seen all mechanics just no clear
near inlet
like when you get to around 45%ish
sour solstice
the blades?
mighty shale
black dress means dodge while hugging her hitbox, white dress means dodge while moving away from her
near inlet
cuz that shit is what confuses me alot
sour solstice
are you talking about the bright/dark and in/out bit?
near inlet
yeah like Teru said, the whole black and white dress
near inlet
Is there anything after the dresses?
mighty shale
bright blade means go to her right, dark blade means go to her left
sour solstice
thats about it
mighty shale
that is the 4th and final phase
sour solstice
The lunacy/fan/ blade stack tends to kill
near inlet
Cuz we wiped just as we nearly got to the 2nd meteors
like I think her hp was around liek 40-42%
sour solstice
you've seen almost everything
its just IIRC you havent see the blades
And some of the nastier alignments of mechanics
near inlet
well you guys wanna help me attempt for a clear some time later?
valid gate
(Siren) Nadine Mireille - Yesterday at 9:31 PM that's what i mean by content rushers IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN OUT A WEEK YET AND LIKE HALF THE SERVER SEEMS TO BE RUSHING TO FARM
they aren't in a "rush" to farm
they cleared the content early on because it's not hard content and now they're getting what they want out of it
because there's nothing else to do
zinc vortex
don't bother
this is the same man that thinks the community should make clear/learning parties after they clear on day 1 or 2 to accommodate to the people that had internet issues day 1
torn kindle
Also it seems like Odd patch primals die faster since the ilvl cap doesn't go up
scenic patrol
It's the same man that said that low dps players are better at mechanics than high dps players
lusty oak
True, because there comes 8 WoL with max ilvl gear and just shits on dps check
scenic patrol
torn kindle
lusty oak
Tsuki EX based on i350
and pretty much much everyone that cares about raiding got to i370
363 in case of tnks
torn kindle
And anyone who's been just capping is around i359
scenic patrol
!myglamour
lusty oak
against i340 base Byakko EX where u had max i345 weapon
storm frostBOT
boreal edge
i gave up
scenic patrol
On what?
scenic patrol
Tsuki?
boreal edge
yes
tfw my best mch parse is without drg
wait wtf
pierce vulnerabilty
40%
wtf that drg was smoking
vital cypress
I mean, the quote above kinda makes sense?
insofar as that if you’ve been skipping the last couple of mechanics that robodad or kefka do since week 2, you’re probably going to be clueless if you wind up facing them for some reason
at least that’s my charitable reading of it
lusty oak
considering that Forsaken IV is copycat of Forsaken III + Ultima spam - noep
same for Guardian, we seen it all
and don't forget that those pesky BiS raiders with higher than heavens DPS did prog in entrance level gear so they have seen it all as well in first weeks due to accumulated amount of wipes
zinc vortex
um??? excuse me sweetie???
hardcore raiders had crafters craft 370 bis for them week 1? hello???
lusty oak
did prog in entrance level gear
learn to read
steady pebble
yes, hello
zinc vortex
hey how are you
steady pebble
tired, and my back hurts
radiant tiger
what are these
steady pebble
Can be crested, can be put in dresser, can be put in armoire
radiant tiger
crested as in FC emblem?
steady pebble
ye
radiant tiger
ok
glossy musk
Hi yes hello
Also yeah I didn’t even know what soar was or much of A11S until I pugged it due to skips
sour solstice
S _ _ P S _ _ R
sullen sable
glossy musk
Turns out we’re still not past it
unreal flax
Nope
Look at that screenshot. I was a small child at the time. Now I'm an adult man, and we're still doing it.
hybrid rapids
because people are yet to skip it :P
radiant tiger
whats anemos crystal exchange
sour solstice
there are 2 kinds of crystals
the one I forgot
and anemos crystals
anemos crystals are only needed for the final step, and can be traded for 2-5 protean crystals at random
radiant tiger
protean is used to improve gear
sour solstice
yeah
radiant tiger
i just got here do i dump anemos into protean or keep them
sour solstice
NMs drop Anemos crystals if you are their level
I mean
feel free to dump em
since you need to upgrade your gear to use anemos crystals anyway
radiant tiger
yeah but i assume ill be constantly getting both types of ctystals but you cant transform protean to anemos?
steady pebble
no, you can only go down
sour solstice
If you do NM train you will get only Anemos
unless you get a random drop during the spawning process I guess
steady pebble
you get a few if you're actively helping to spawn
but generally, if you're following the train the bulk of your protean will come from converting anemos
radiant tiger
7
sour solstice
I think you should have 3
radiant tiger
ok, are they just rush to point B
sour solstice
yes
steady pebble
3, 5, 13, 17 are when you get magicite
sour solstice
only if you are a certain level tho
steady pebble
so you end up with 5 total
radiant tiger
you only get 5?
steady pebble
mhm
radiant tiger
oh
sour solstice
I mean its not the worst idea as a healer
radiant tiger
they do have diminishing returns
sour solstice
do they?
radiant tiger
well lemme get those two magicites and ill tell you
sour solstice
either way no point in stacking it in more than 2
radiant tiger
if i fucking can that is
radiant tiger
+28% at level 1, +24 at level 2
sour solstice
Im a trainwreck
vital cypress
how does a BRD do less damage than the other three DPS and the two tanks
rugged crag
it's quite hard I literally can't press the buttons
boreal edge
@vital cypress because brd do lowest dps according to fflogs?
oh wait
nvm
i didnt read 2 tanks part
glossy musk
BRD should do less than DPS but yeeeeeah tanks
vital cypress
we hit enrage
glossy musk
I want to play BRD but my static won’t let me
vital cypress
well, we mostly wiped but we enraged once
i would have snuck into the fabled land of Blue Parses too
sour solstice
why brd is so good
glossy musk
I don’t know. We also don’t use PLD or NIN or DRG
It’s an advanced form of suffering
vital cypress
well
i mean, if you don't have a BRD and/or MCH you're probably better off swapping DRG for MNK or SAM or something
boreal edge
can tsukuyomi even enrage?
boreal edge
i seen 3rd hagetsu rot and she didnt enrage yet
🤔
and what mch bring better than brd?
sour solstice
ill take a brd any day
boreal edge
their dps and utility is almost identical
sour solstice
gimme them crits
boreal edge
except mch bring more personal dps
humble scarab
Brd is more support
scenic patrol
BRD is unquestionable better for O7S
humble scarab
Yep
boreal edge
i play both
boreal edge
i just play brd in fights that i would go kms as mch
glossy musk
For DOTs and especially for mages ballad exploiting
boreal edge
like o7s
humble scarab
Lol
glossy musk
Like O5S is great for BRD if you meme with a mages opener
boreal edge
mch bring more aoe dps than brd in o5s
tbh
as long tanks dont run like headless chickens
with tornadoes
bishop overdrive pressed
mt with adds run away
bishop explode
none of adds got any dmg
glossy musk
Nice
stable basin
tfw 1 minleft timer on new ex, 8% hpleft, and everyone fucking messed up right/left mechanic, they choked so hard
woulda been a nice screencap for me :C
glossy musk
Nice
queen abyss
are sigmascape crystalloids limited to 1 per week?
dull radish
yeah
dull radish
correct
opal hollow
don't you need to finish o5s first
dull radish
you can skip over O5S if you want
just need to be in a party with someone who can queue you past it
opal hollow
what TIL
steady pebble
you'll just forfeit o5s loot
dull radish
and then you can't get any loot from 5, including page, for the week
opal hollow
oh yeah abou tthat
if i don't clear o5s for the week
do i also lose the loot for that week if i do o6s first?
dull radish
yeah, like
even stepping into O6S for the week
you count as having "cleared" O5S for the week
you can get loot from 6, 7 or 8 just fine
glossy musk
Yeah
opal hollow
ahhh ok
glossy musk
It’s like entering a raid on WoW that’s already cleared x bosses
dull radish
just, when you skip floors, you lose out on loot/pages from earlier ones
glossy musk
They’re counted as dead for you
opal hollow
ahh ok
glossy musk
Which imo is bad/old design but whatever
dull radish
also, very important to stress, you've counted as "cleared" O5S for the week in that scenario, so you count against cleared members if you join O5S party later on, i.e. if you join 2-chest party with 7/8 others not having cleared for the week, you'll make them lose a chest
scenic patrol
My Static's Dragoon pretty much won everything from our Kefka clear
This reset
Diamond Axe, Coffer, Mount and Ninja chest piece
topaz wolf
wtf
opal hollow
Wait.. mount?
visual gate
is there somebody that knows the ins and outs of samurai stats that i could pm for a few questions?
sour solstice
Check pins
humble scarab
Damn thats a useful eureka map
wet stag
It's wrong in some places tho
Like the glacier golems near the north are lv 16
And it doesn't mention all the sprite locations
Which would be helpful now that the challenge log needs you to kill sprites
glossy musk
@opal hollow Airforce drops from Kefka
@visual gate You're best off checking The Balance discord, they do all the min/maxing for jobs
scenic patrol
Some people can answer here regarding advanced knowledge about certain jobs, but it's still best to head over to The Balance anyways
sour solstice
the fuck is a fidget spinner strat
humble scarab
See
I dont even know what the hell that is
Its either people making some new idea or god knows whar
stable basin
I laughed when I saw Ridorana has a boss ability called "Tide Pod"
pure yoke
eat your tide pods
stable basin
also WTF a 365 required party for the new EX
torn kindle
stable basin
... and it was the first one I actually saw fill in PF, too @@_@@ wtf lol
torn kindle
probably to keep people who don't do savage out
making them technically a better player
sour solstice
should be 362 tho
stable basin
does that high an ilvl actually attract players this time around? usually with things like shinny and byakko many people looked askance at super high ilvls because they felt people wanted a carry
sour solstice
365 locks out good tanks
torn kindle
I mean, a tank can just wear i370 accessories just to enter
sour solstice
IIRC it doesn't lock out poorboye
scenic patrol
yeah, farming accessories from O5S instead of investing in alt gear
truly a wise choice
instead of ignoring an obvious trap party
torn kindle
I mean, you could just spend mendacity
scenic patrol
but why?
stable basin
johni, and yet i was looking at the aether pf and noticed the 365 party actually filled and none of the 355/350/none parties that were there with it seem to have
aether is a weird place sometimes
i have no idea what the chaos pf is like, my highest level eu character is 50 and i haven't touched her in almost a year
and haven't played her to any serious extent since ARR
earnest flower
what do pf parties mean when they say "healer's adjust strat"?
earnest flower
so dps drop close, healers drop far, and tanks drop north or south?
sour solstice
dps drop either north or south, tanks drop the other and healers drop far
there is no close
daring berry
You drop on tips of small moon
earnest flower
ye thats what I meant
daring berry
But then again we use JP stats so yours may differ
earnest flower
but then how do you create the safe puddle?
does one of the north/south people drop it on the tip?
scenic patrol
both on the tip probably
daring berry
Yeah. So you will get 2 safe spots
stable basin
Yeah, the crux of the whole fight literally seems to rely on "how do we drop these meteors and create a safe spot and also not have everyone 5-and-out while waiting for the meteors to be done"
I'm actually not quite sure this fight is really easier than Shinryu, but that might be because I only just started learning it today while I have Shinny on farm
It might actually be an apples and oranges comparison to try to assess which is harder
full wave
This fight upsets me
stable basin
Shinny had more different mechanics you had to learn and do but it was an obstacle course that was fairly mild on having to deal with several vexing things at once
full wave
I was doing fine at first but the longer we went on the more mistakes I made
I kept getting doomed when I had to drop the meteor
stable basin
Yeah, that looks like the main thing that makes the fight hard
I'm told once you get past meteors it gets a lot easier
full wave
Timing the stack while also dropping the meteor in the appropriate color and then run to the safe area
stable basin
But yeah, comparing the two - Atomic Ray, Hellfire (and only because of the icicles), and P3 Levinbolt are about the most complex combos Shinny has, he's mostly just a typical dodge-shit bruiser apart from that ... there's nothing quite as complicated as the Supreme Selenomancy simultaneous mechanic cluster
full wave
We hit enrage at 9%
stable basin
I actually think Shinryu might be easier
also, you don't always even get hellfire or levinbolt, the only really annoying mech you are guaranteed on shinny is atomic ray
full wave
Now I'm just upset because of my own failure.
I guess I shouldn't be too upset because it was my 1st time in there.
stable basin
(though on the flip side, that can make shinny easier to clear but harder to farm because you can easily have people in a duty complete party who have never actually successfully executed certain mechanics, while on tsuki there aren't any random branches that i can see other than the order of gun/spear so you do have to master everything to even clear)
Yeah
These fights aren't really meant to be cleared in one go
at least not by most players
blazing pelican
if you have good group dps, you can phase change to the bright/dark blade nonsense at around 15%
daring berry
If you have issues with hitting 5 stacks while doing the meteors, just keep resetting the stacks as much as possible before that
I always strafe between light and dark at 1 stack.
pure yoke
if you have good group dps
you see more of final phase
due to skipping 2nd selenomacy
daring berry
i would rather do selenomancy twice tbh
normal mesa
ehhhh
daring berry
i always seem to screw up near the end
maiden iris
Selenomancy is an awesome mechanic imo
daring berry
so my dps go down because i get damage debuffed
from getting hit by one of the moons
wet stag
Tfw susano normal is more annoying than susano ex
sour solstice
Susano had to have some depth to it
wet stag
The clouds 
sour solstice
after all, how did my trial roulette voteabandon after an hour of susano norm
normal mesa
christ
wet stag
An hour?
daring berry
does unsyncing Susano EX make much of a difference?
wet stag
torn kindle
You can't unsync it
normal mesa
you can't
torn kindle
You can only unsync content from previous expansions
normal mesa
we're level 70 and its a 70 duty
daring berry
mainly because we just followed the people who knows how to do it.
sour solstice
@wet stag I have more patience for DF than i do for PF somehow
maiden iris
Sus EX is one of the easiest primals ever tbh
sour solstice
¯_(ツ)_/¯
maiden iris
Makes Ravana look like A4S
normal mesa
lak ex is pretty easy
maiden iris
Lak EX makes Sus EX look like Moon Moon EX
sour solstice
my eureka tolerance dies after an hour
normal mesa
and then they dropped shinryu on us
wet stag
I mean nothing wrong with taking it in bursts of an hour
sour solstice
and my PF tolerance dies after group 3
wet stag
There we go
maiden iris
Miss me with that gay shit
wet stag
Like I said, every time I mention eureka
torn kindle
DAE eureka is bad content amirite /s
wet stag
Tbh
All the eureka challenges need to do now if give you anemos crystals at level 20
And then I would truly have 0 complaints with it
sour solstice
@wet stag
wet stag
MEIRL
half surge
could someone link or tell me the name of the website that you can use to look up an npc gear and whatnot
sour solstice
best MS paint job
and just so your question doesnt feel ignored friend I have no idea
wet stag
How do I rotate text in ms paint
normal mesa
garland toola or something like that @half surge
half surge
that's the one. thanks ❤
sour solstice
@wet stag tfw you realize I just got memed on and thought you were being serious
heavy mist
rip
lucid karma
It's good to have ISP that doesn't give a shit about what you download
final pine
No off topic discussion. No trolling. No spam. Repetitive breaking of these rules will result in a kick.
maiden iris
My bad, sorry
stable basin
... rofl
Moon Moon EX group, "Farm I get all the drops" loot master
and it has more people joining than any of the other ones
I don't understand Aether PF anymore
LOL
normal mesa
make your ownnnnn thennnnn
potent nymph
because loot master parties have a better clear rate
people that join those don't care about the mount
they are more interested in gearing alts
meanwhile most of the people farming for mounts neither care about gear on their own main class
nor care for gearing alts
boreal edge
lootmaster have better clear rate?
you sure?
lootmasters were mostly trap farms to me
the pf maker is looking for easy mount and die always
unreal flax
TsukEx is the most annoying fight so far. Not hard by any stretch, but people still manage to fuck it up, even you go with the strategy they suggested.
How is it that you, the BRD, suggests DPS = A, but you drop your meteor at D, which was supposed to be the safe spot? How does this happen?
paper torrent
Tsu meteors is the worst example of server ticks memes i have ever seen
sleek belfry
It's not server ticks 
stable basin
Yeah this could be the most evil fight in terms of server ticks since A3S
normal mesa
every 5 seconds
valid gate
its almost like
you have a shitton of time
to change colors
and an entire 4 stacks of leniency to work with
sour solstice
I mean the first stack can be a little memey
steady pebble
ok i managed to clear the ex
but im never stepping in there again
because my back hurts horribly from that
sour solstice
nice
lyric summit
what's the no marker tsukuyomi strat? the uptime one with tank and dps on the sides and healer far away?
sour solstice
god damn it
Got to second meteor again
but tanks both ate the buster
so it became a clown fiesta of me and the other healer panicing to get random people up
I was so close
scenic patrol
steady pebble
3 chests, eh?
scenic patrol
It is a meme run
sour solstice
IIRC you could 3 chest Mythic +
steady pebble
ahh
light wagon
After 5 hours of wiping I finally beat tsukuyomi ex feelsgood
grizzled seal
😔
pure yoke
tbh
at the high end
ast is fucking busted
but at the mid to low end
you are still going to run out of mp as ast
or struggle with mp
outside of double ranged comp
assuming you are rolling gcd
boreal edge
new changes made ast dps increase alot
but also made it run out of mp even faster than before
dull radish
I'd still say it's more drastic of a difference on the low to mid end than on the high end
since if you were minimizing clipping optimally before, sure you still gain a bit here, but it's nothing crazy
but if you weren't as good with it, you can gain a lot of GCD that you're not used to
silent path
@dull radish have you done the new trial
if yes can you answer me this quetsion?
like can you run to the meteor pos
after the nightfall animatio ends ?
dull radish
um I like
was dragged into a trap party for the fight, to get someone their alt clear earlier
I only half knew what I was doing but we like two-shot it haha, would have one-shot but we had healer DC at a bad time
I still don't know it super well, just kinda was playing it safe
stable basin
Yeah I'm still learning meteors phase myself
dull radish
if I got meteor marker I just moved to the spot asap, and made good use of AM to move to places haha
stable basin
And part of me wants to shake my head at "it's easier than shinryu"
dull radish
I mean, I had very little idea of what I was doing, they said if you get meteor marker go here, go to this side of boss during whatever move it is that does that cleave towards role, and then just kinda winged it with what made sense/where others were going
there's really not much to it
stable basin
Yeah the hard part is not getting doomed in the process
dull radish
there's a doom?
steady pebble
if you mess up
stable basin
That's how you die from stacks
dull radish
oh
steady pebble
and go to the same side as your debuff
stable basin
Yeah it was only my first practice session and I was beat af yesterday
hybrid rapids
Server tick is weird, had a time a dps get DoT but no doom
So just healed through it lol
dull radish
I never really felt in danger to get too many stacks
stable basin
Tbh I wouldn't even have any prog yet, I was gonna wait till later but the folks I did Ridorana with yesterday morning asked if I wanted to try ex and they were just too fun and chill to say no
sour solstice
if someone put the safe meteors too far its pretty MonkS
heavy mist
woops discord behind
opal hollow
is alexander savage fully uncapped now?
steady pebble
yes
opal hollow
like, could I farm a chest piece in one day?
steady pebble
alex savage hasn't been capped since 4.0
opal hollow
ahh so i can get the logs or whatever as many times as i want?
steady pebble
yes
blazing pelican
Good luck getting a group
scenic patrol
All raids are uncapped if they are not latest tier
Sigmascape savage will be uncapped in about 2 months
sudden wharf
Oh jeez, and I haven't even cleared o8s yet. By the time I get my diamond weapon it'll be time for the new tier anyways.
Oh well.
hybrid rapids
The Echo
sudden wharf
I'm not getting stuck with o8s or anything, I've just been... a bit lazy with progging godka.
heavy mist
better to get diamond weapon so it helps in new tier
🤔
cause either u farm the new primal in 4.4
or use diamond for 1 or 2 floors
scenic patrol
I'll probably get crafted accessories again
sudden wharf
How much do relic tiers typically increase ilvl? 10? 20?
scenic patrol
And use Primal weapon
heavy mist
yeh its likely to be that
sudden wharf
Once new the new tier rolls around there should be i380 crafted gear, no?
steady pebble
heavensward progression was: 210, 230, 240, 260, 270, 275
scenic patrol
Yes
steady pebble
for the anima relic
heavy mist
yeah i380
but uh gonna be a frick ton of money
or time invested to getting it
early on
scenic patrol
I'll ask him to craft me in like week 2 or 3
Since he will be preoccupied with a static he is contracted to
sudden wharf
Damn, contracted to? Statics are getting to be serious business.
scenic patrol
It just means that he will be occupied by them when patch drops
Dunno who they are
scenic patrol
Lol, he doesn't raid
heavy mist
oh u mean as a crafter
normal mesa
I know a few people like that
big raiding fc that lacks crafters so they literally buy in bulk from an omni on regular schedules
people who have regular gathering 'orders'
normal mesa
every week they provide x amount of item to a crafter
sudden wharf
When looking at statistics on fflogs, what percentile should you be looking at to find the best realistic unpadded dps?
scenic patrol
What do you define as unpadded?
Is speed unpadded?
Or do you just want to compare job DPS?
sudden wharf
I mean.
With everyone playing "as they're supposed to", and not just favouring one player and using gimmicky strats.
Not something like that, essentially.
scenic patrol
Just look at speed
sudden wharf
I just wanted a benchmark for dps numbers I should realistically strive towards for certain jobs.
scenic patrol
Or 95% parses
95% is achievable even without Astro
Only really hard to do on BRD without Dragoon
sudden wharf
Oh wow, BLM and SMN are almost even in dps. Like mostly in the range of 0-100 dps difference.
I thought the disparity was a bit larger than that.
Why is MNK's damage so high in o6s?
scenic patrol
High uptime fight with no option to miss positionals
scenic patrol
It's actually more than a GCD
stable basin
Yeah I start feeling like fflogs should correct for things like that when ranking
scenic patrol
Why?
stable basin
I guess it's a hard call since taking best advantage of buff windows is a skill too but otoh no matter how good you are there's a limit on what % you can be on your own power
scenic patrol
So you are saying playing optimally is a bad trait?
unreal flax
I like to look at boss damage. Removes add padding.
scenic patrol
Also playing around buffs is a skill as well
sudden wharf
Oh, I forgot you could look at a boss damage only.
stable basin
Yeah, I just mean at the top it looks like you can easily have greater skill but a lower percentile because someone else had a few mistakes but better buff/debuff support
unreal flax
I started looking at boss damage after O3S because of one run where I saw a MNK save pot, use PB and Rockbreaker spam during Ninjas lol.
stable basin
Not that I'm personally anywhere near that tier but yeah
sudden wharf
Woah, for player damage to bosses at 95th percentile, SMN actually does more damage than BLM.
For guardian.
sudden wharf
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
With akh morn, deathflare, and painflare cleaving as well.
But if you filter for total damage then BLM does more.
stable basin
BLM can cast higher potency aoe in a more sustained fashion
Only thing SMN has that doesn't need a CD charge is tri bind and if you're not in trance it's wimpy af
scenic patrol
Are you sure it's relevant to cleaving?
There's a vast difference between cleaving and AOE rotation
I dunno how BLM AOE works
So I can't comment
On that
sudden wharf
SMN naturally cleaves the boss + add as part of its normal rotation.
BLM has... just foul.
Maybe flare?
sudden wharf
I play SMN in o7s, so for example, during dada spawn I go into bahamut there.
I dot both, and 3 painflares, + akh morn cleaves at that point.
That's 1220 potency.
storm frostBOT
sour solstice
!action Thunder Iv
storm frostBOT
sour solstice
but those dont stack
storm frostBOT
sudden wharf
I don't play BLM, so I can't comment too much on what they do there.
But a thunder proc for single target is 390 initial damage + 320 dot.
Multitarget is 230 initial + 180 dot.
So for dada add + guardian it's probably better to use thunder IV.
It's probably better to initally dot both targets with thunder III though, for the increased proc chance.
scenic patrol
Depends on if it interrupts your rotation
dull radish
mm, don't thunder 4 for two targets
you can pretty regularly sharp the thunder before though to multidot
sour solstice
is it just worth casting 2 thunder IIIs then?
dull radish
no
it's worth it if you sharp the thunder
or if you get a proc, to use it on the other thing
sour solstice
oh ok
dull radish
or if you get into UI, you can thunder 3 the other guy
but don't waste two spells on thunder like that
scenic patrol
So it all depends on rotation
stable basin
Is Flare even still used significantly at 70?
I remember in ARR BLMs being expected to burn Ethers every fight to be able to get an extra Flare in
sour solstice
!action enhanced umbral hearts
storm frostBOT
stable basin
hmm, any idea why there's only barding and housing item for tsuki?
apparently no wind-up minion?
stable basin
GE shows it, apparently as "Unique Untradable"
steep iris
!item wind-up tsukuyomi
storm frostBOT
stable basin
which is weird because these have always been crafted
and why would they release the tabletop item but not the minion
steep iris
huh
stable basin
(wonder if what I said in spoilers channel is relevant)
stable basin
sooooo
how tf many different strats are there for meteors
apparently mr happy and mizzteq have different ones and then there's this "small triangle strat"
torn kindle
too confusing we need easier mechanics
stable basin
supposedly it's easier than shinryu, but i don't know if that's really true
dull radish
It is true
normal mesa
its true
stable basin
Yeah, I'm probably just skewed because I have Shinryu on farm and I'm still learning this