endgame-lounge

[dull radish]

Also ARR BLM didn't burn ethers for Flare in fights haha

[normal mesa]

which meteors are "easiest" depends on the party

[stable basin]

Yeah, it sounds like part of the difficulty issue is that there are multiple pug strats

[normal mesa]

shinryu didn't have much variety on how to do mechs

[stable basin]

Shinryu also didn't have much in the way of simultaneous mech stuff, either

[normal mesa]

yes it did

[stable basin]

Atomic Ray was about as complex as it got

[normal mesa]

ice + a random mech stuff

[boreal edge]

there are like 3 different ways to do meteors in tsukuyomi

[normal mesa]

ye

[boreal edge]

and 4 different waymarks to drop your meteor at

so 12 total strats

[junior basin]

And no pf group will ever agree to one. \o/

[stable basin]

I think momentum is shifting to the JP/healers adjust strat but I expect a bunch of people holding out to their own pet strat

People got weird names for their strats though, like "Uptime strat" that makes everyone run all the way across the arena and the "Crescent strat" like yeah no shit there's a crescent on the floor

[torn kindle]

Truly we have geniuses at work

[sleek belfry]

Do none of you know about the calamity that is the "no marker strat"

[boreal edge]

uptime strat isnt ABC one

[sleek belfry]

Uptime strat still uses abc bruh

It's just all north or south

[boreal edge]

uptime strat is putting dps and tank meteors at max melee range from tsuku

[sleek belfry]

It's putting them all directly to the north, as close each other as possible 🤔

[boreal edge]

and healer on oppside edge

[sleek belfry]

And uptime strat in a fight where people cannot manage colour stacks in pf is

And where not a single dps is above 5k 🤔🤔

[boreal edge]

putting em in north isnt uptime strat either

[sleek belfry]

I mean

You lose no uptime so 🤔

[boreal edge]

uptime strat = not losing any casts/gcds while doing the mechanic

[sleek belfry]

Yeah.. which you don't 🤔

[boreal edge]

melee doesnt lose any?

[sleek belfry]

Keep the boss centre/north, place meteors as late as possible, tank going direct north, dps going ne/nw

Safe spot and enough room to swap colours south, not losing any gcds as you can safely move across the arena with the boss in tow

Losing no uptime unless you run too far

But you aren't getting pugs to do that

Because mechanics are too hard

[daring berry]

lol

just had one run of tsukuEX

where it lagged so hard the whole party got 5 stacks

all of us managed to get the doom off but the whole party had bleed

somehow we survived it

[boreal edge]

uptime strat need high IQ to be done right

@daring berry if u went to other colour as u get the 5th stack you cleanse doom

[daring berry]

yeah

it got cleansed

i thought we were gonna die from bleed

but the healers were competent

[boreal edge]

bleed is just 10k ticks

count it as o4s almagest despite its 33% weaker than that

[sleek belfry]

And doesn't have the initial "fuck you" hit

[dull radish]

yeah alma was extra spooky with that initial hit, since you could get insta-ticked right after the hit, and especially early on that was pretty dang deadly haha

[sleek belfry]

I honestly thought the initial hit of alma was just crazy high because it was weeks of me getting insta ticks and almost dying every single time

[dull radish]

heh, yeah

I was lucky, I could manaward it for safety

and early prog I'd apoc the DRG because it was often an issue

[sleek belfry]

B4b?

That's always fun

[blazing pelican]

Nothing says "pain" like putting a succor on the party then deploying a shield off your fairy as part of your opener after the pull

[sleek belfry]

Adlo, addle, veil and still dropping to 2k health

[boreal edge]

initial hit is 27k

with ticks up to 17k

[stable basin]

what does this even mean

[sour solstice]

oh I can explain that

it means the healers sit on the white side of her dress, dps on the black

take your meteors to the respective corner based off of which side her dress is on

[stable basin]

ah

[wet stag]

relative strat 🤢

[sour solstice]

the uh

strat has a slight problem tho

tends to get your OT cleaved by the buster

[stable basin]

Started by a tank and 0 other people joined with 29 mins left

Looks like nobody wants to deal with that

[boreal edge]

@stable basin and i thought current strats are galaxy brain enough

now thats even more galaxy brain

[stable basin]

But it works EASY (clear pt not farm btw)

[boreal edge]

yeah

only downside of tsukuyomi

is every single damn pf

has its own special TM strat

[stable basin]

Feels like healers adjust strat is gaining ground but I expect people to be stubborn about their own special setup for a while

[dull radish]

probably

[boreal edge]

@sour solstice there is no buster in moon phase

[sour solstice]

yeah

but

retarded tanks just sit on her face anyway

thats what happend both times a pt I saw did it

[boreal edge]

they are stupid then

[sour solstice]

especially if they like

move there for night fall

im 99% certain nightfall spear only targets MT

[boreal edge]

it can target either

[sour solstice]

oh ok

[boreal edge]

i still dont know how spear targetting work

we had 1 healer died once be4 spear

it targetted another dps

[sour solstice]

oof

[boreal edge]

so its safe to say

its near impossible to solo heal

[sour solstice]

explain all these solo heal PFs I keep seeing

I dont join them because they are super obvious traps

but its like

at least 2 per day

[boreal edge]

deal with 2nd spear hit and heal asap?

but idk how fast can u do it

[sour solstice]

maybe with earthly star or some shit

[dull radish]

it'd be doable, but I dunno, it seems a bit suspect it wouldn't just target the healer

[sour solstice]

but those 2 hits are pretty fast

[dull radish]

they've been smarter about resolving those sort of mechanics properly for a while now with someone not alive

or with only one of a role

[sour solstice]

I bet if you only have 1 heal its consistent

[boreal edge]

if there is 1 healer is doesnt target him/her for some reason

[dull radish]

are you sure

do you have more than just the one anecdote

[boreal edge]

i saw it happen myself

[dull radish]

have you gone in with just one healer, not having one die just before it or something like that

you just seeing it happen once, I don't count that as really refutable evidence

[sour solstice]

Oh speaking of nightfall

[boreal edge]

i didnt try going with solo healer tho

[sour solstice]

I had a NIN and a SAM greed a side positional during gun

It targeted the SAM and killed them both

we died because we hit max suffering

[boreal edge]

rip

[sour solstice]

its not like they went diagonal or something

we couldve ajusted for that

[boreal edge]

seems the mechanic

[sour solstice]

they went full 90 degrees

[boreal edge]

check if role is 2 players or more

it get spear hit

have it 1 tank and 1 healer

and all 3 hits hit dps

[sour solstice]

are you sure about that

[boreal edge]

i said maybe

[sour solstice]

oh

I cant read

Im pretty sure you can solotank/heal this

if you have a pld

[boreal edge]

yes

[sour solstice]

sounds like cancer tho

[boreal edge]

you can skip 1st torment

by 35% last phase

2nd torment u just HG it

[sour solstice]

yeah

[boreal edge]

if mechanic work the same as im thinking

[dull radish]

I sincerely doubt there would be talk of solo tank/solo heal if the spear didn't resolve as expected

[boreal edge]

it will be most punishing ex mechanic ever introduced

[dull radish]

since it'd be thrown out of the way so quick

[sour solstice]

I mean

we could get the primal LS together and test it

since spear is fairly early in the fight shouldnt take long

[boreal edge]

yes

we are currently outgearing it

is why its easy

even 2 spear hits are semi possible with just shielding

[sour solstice]

I just wanna get a competent group that doesnt disband after the first 3 pulls

[dull radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwG343i16DI

why test when there's plenty of videos on it haha

[sour solstice]

well that answers that

[dull radish]

spear very clearly still resolves properly

[boreal edge]

hmm

maybe the healer faced spear to us?

[dull radish]

probably

could also have like, moved marginally too late or something, and just got clipped/clipped others

[boreal edge]

if it resolve fine with solo heal

it shouldnt go awkward with dead healer beforehand

[stable basin]

I mean I've seen a LOT of dead healers and never seen it do anything unexpected

If it hits somewhere twice there's always someone standing where they shouldn't be

[vital cypress]

truly we are in the end times

as evidenced by this

[sour solstice]

Nice scholar

[vital cypress]

yes

anyways I stumbled my way to a blue parse on O7S

either the world is ending or the average player quality fell off a cliff since the patch

[sour solstice]

or you got gud

[vital cypress]

impossible

also 54th percentile isn’t exactly good

passable maybe

[grizzled seal]

Feels like quite a bit of the higher end raiders quit since sigmascape difficulty is kinda questionable I guess

might just be my perception

[boreal edge]

@vital cypress dpsing in o7s is easy

as healer

most dmg in o7s can be regened and without any shielding

[ivory tiger]

ninja can skip low level dungeons that dont have mob blocked gates by hiding and aggroing the boss, then allowing the group to teleport after the area is sealed off. 👏

every time you get Tam Tara, go for a walk..

[normal mesa]

it is literally middle of the road Estelle

[valid gate]

Feels like quite a bit of the higher end raiders quit since sigmascape difficulty is kinda questionable I guess

no

we're just waiting for uwu

everyone is cognizant that savage difficulty is just going to be this, has been since creator

new cycle is get tier clear, get gear, get parses, get bitches then afk camp for ultimate

steps 3 and 4 not necessary

also the bar to do decently on healers insofar as dps is the lowest bar in the game

i ran disastrous weeklies on WHM once without ever having healed the tier and got 8t+ on every raid

so

as long as you keep pressing dps buttons welcome to purple

[scenic patrol]

That's due to the player base

[sour solstice]

healer playerbase are a special bunch

Im retarded and I got a blue parse in 5s with a shitty uptime and a 330 wep

[scenic patrol]

Same for tanks

[red ibex]

the melee uptime is too good

[normal mesa]

yeah vs dps where you gotta deal with add pad parses

I'll never see purple on 5s feelsbadman

[dull radish]

You can get purple fine without padding on adds haha

[red ibex]

you can get an orange where everyone kills the adds really quick

[dull radish]

Yeah

[red ibex]

it may not be 99th but you can get decent logs without padding

[normal mesa]

Yes but I suck at the game lmfao

I'll admit it lol I'm but a wee babby

[red ibex]

if an idiot like me can get 99th on tsukuyomi without an AST or being catered to for adds anyone can

[normal mesa]

I'm not talkin ex primals

I do fine in those

[red ibex]

savage is the same thing

current content

[normal mesa]

Maybe I just choke? Who knows

I specifically do far better on average on ex content vs savage

/shrug

[red ibex]

im not amazing nor have i ever joined a parse party, all my logs are through pf and i've gotten 3 oranges, other 2 are 94th

you just gotta get good

[normal mesa]

I mean I already said I was bad at the game ya don't have to repeat that. Am babby. Am learnin

[red ibex]

same

[normal mesa]

K ya don't have to be rude to folks who learn slower either

[red ibex]

being rude would be saying you suck

we all learn at our own pace

[normal mesa]

"get good" has the same connotations in meme form

so

-shrugs-

[paper torrent]

?????????

[normal mesa]

lol

[red ibex]

yikes

[scenic patrol]

Getting better at video games, the horror

[sour solstice]

git gud

[paper torrent]

It's almost like this game has a... LEARNING CURVE?

BUT I WAS TOLD THIS GAME WAS EASY REEEEEE

[sullen sable]

just push buttons lol

[normal mesa]

I mean I've actively said am babby am learnin but k then

[red ibex]

gotem

[vital cypress]

healer DPS is mostly dependent on people not standing in bad

or at least that’s a large part of it

[dull radish]

honestly more often than not I tend to see the biggest impact just being healers not really utilizing oGCD properly, and not keeping the GCD rolling where they can. Sure the group not being abysmal plays a role, but I think it's less of an issue than some folks might think

[boreal edge]

half healers dont dps

let alone healers that do 3 digits dps

[paper torrent]

The best part is when healers blame other people for them getting caught in shit

[sour solstice]

I mean

oh nvm

[paper torrent]

Yeah stupid mobile

Also delete scholars that don't use indom

That is all

[sour solstice]

delet no bepis whm

[vital cypress]

indom is the best button why wouldn’t you use it

[paper torrent]

I think some scholars just geniunely forget they have it

And blow like 3 lustrates healing a tank

I've seen that once

I was at like 25k hp or something

[vital cypress]

you’re probably thinking of excogiation

indom is the AOE

[paper torrent]

No it was 3 lustrates

This was in o6s

Where there is shear and the stack marker

I was so confused

[vital cypress]

[paper torrent]

O6S after wed. Are cursed

[vital cypress]

O6S is a moderately annoying fight to heal

[humble scarab]

Dont forget that healers are literally gods

[vital cypress]

also I probably need to reassess when I’m using Tri-disaster

[valid gate]

healer DPS is mostly dependent on people not standing in bad

no its not

[sour solstice]

its a little bit

but its like

1 GCD per shitter if that

[valid gate]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/wyV2nHfGQRktDXFC#fight=10&type=damage-done

[sour solstice]

since sometimes your ogcds are down

[valid gate]

like this isn't even remotely clean in terms of raid perfomance

[sour solstice]

Nowhere near what people make it out to be

[valid gate]

and i was sloppy as hell

and it was still purple

so

[sour solstice]

Right its more way reliant on uptime

but sometimes you gotta c2

and thats a loss

[dull radish]

yeah, of course

though lot of times most healers can get both that cure 2 and find another place to squeeze more than one extra GCD in that they weren't getting before

it's like saying you're dying of thirst because someone took a sip of your drink, when there's another drink sitting in the refrigerator with your name on it

[sour solstice]

yeah I agree

but especially if you are new to the fight

your dps can hurt if people suck

Doesnt mean you should blame your DPS on them

[dull radish]

yeah, it's just kinda a way to think about most things. I've had to do dumb strats for stuff pugging on my alt, had people drop spotlights on me or make me grab yellow and do that, weird positioning in 7 and 8, all sorts of really weird strategies, and of course they're often a loss. But there's also a lot more I can gain even with that, that in the grand scheme of things it's pretty whatever

[sour solstice]

my fav is being bard and getting boxes killed

its like

"welp guess I gotta try the repelling shot"

[dull radish]

it sounds like it'd be so satisfying to pull off properly

[sour solstice]

im so bad I cant pull off the onslaught so I dont think im gonna get the repelling anytime soon

[dull radish]

just try it literally once, get it that one time out of sheer luck, and then you can forever say something like "well I've gotten it every time I've tried it, I just prefer using the boxes"

I've done that a few times for various things over time, it works pretty well

you just have to hope you never get put in that situation again

[sour solstice]

Ah good ol MSQ roulette

people still claiming DRK is the squishiest tank

[unreal flax]

Doesn't DRK have 20% mitigation every 15s now?

[sour solstice]

30% magic for 15s/60s cd

unless you are talking about

[unreal flax]

TBN

[sour solstice]

!action the blackest night

[storm frost]

**The Blackest Night** : lvl 70 Dark Knight (15 second cooldown)

Creates a barrier around self that absorbs damage totaling 20% of your maximum HP, or around a party member that absorbs damage totaling 10% of your maximum HP.
Duration: 7s
Increases Blood Gauge by 50 when full 20% (10%) is absorbed.

[sour solstice]

oh

yeah

wow so squishy

like if you think DRK is that squishy

you need to git gud

[unreal flax]

DRK is trash pre-70, but they're looking good better now

[sour solstice]

feels fine to me

but im only 54 rn

felt squish before shadow wall

[unreal flax]

Oh, yeah, your're still basically a PLD. Your gear covers a lot of weaknesses at that level. At 60+, all the incoming damage is higher and you don't get any other form of mitigation until TBN

Also, your blood gauge fills up SO FUCKING SLOWLY.

[sudden wharf]

Trap or raiding prodigy?

[unreal flax]

best ever, if we're being honest. I trust

[sour solstice]

trap

[paper torrent]

Ofc it's a dps

[lyric summit]

but you unlock o8s just by talking to the machine thing 🤔

[sour solstice]

I thought you could attempt 8 unless you had a 7 completion

[lyric summit]

you can only queue for 8 if you cleared 7 for the week, same with 7 and 6, but it's the party leader who's queueing so

you can get queued into o8s without ever touching o5s yourself

[sour solstice]

oh ok

[stable basin]

Yeah I think a friend said she cleared o6s before o5s

[sour solstice]

I mean

Makes sense

[light wagon]

is there a new trial every major patch?

like will 4.4 have a trial

[steady pebble]

yes

[light wagon]

alright coo ty

[sturdy shell]

New ex trial at least, there was no normal trial in 4.1

[primal belfry]

What are All Star Points even on FFLogs

and whats a good number to have

[sour solstice]

e-peen points

[primal belfry]

what are they even good for

[sturdy shell]

I think they're points for how much you carried your party

[valid gate]

ASP is basically a per-raid measurement of "how close were you to the top"

average out that across the entire raid tier and you get your asp

580 and up is considered good

[sturdy shell]

Isn't that what percentile is

[valid gate]

no

99th percentile means you're better than 99% of players

it says nothing about how you compare to other 99ths.

like there can be a large difference between barely getting 99th and some of the top damage numbers

[grizzled seal]

asp are hit and miss due to padding

in particular in fights with adds

[primal belfry]

https://puu.sh/Avyej/76c5df37ed.png

So are these bad for ASP then

[valid gate]

yeah that's garbage.

[primal belfry]

What would it mean then since PT has lower ASP than Guardian

Does that mean this person is closer to the top more often on Guardian but performing worse overall compared to other players in that class

[valid gate]

i am too tired to answer that question coherently

[grizzled seal]

lower asp means your further away from the top parse iirc

[valid gate]

basically the better you do the closer you get to 120 asp for the raid

[grizzled seal]

since its based on the top parse iirc

[valid gate]

for a total possible sum of 600 asp

which is why 580 up is considered good

[primal belfry]

Oh

So you want 150+150+150+150?

Or is Kefka and Godfa counted seperately

[valid gate]

120 x 5

kefka and God Kefka are separate bosses

[primal belfry]

ty

[valid gate]

that happen to exist in the same raid

[grizzled seal]

I'd look at percentiles rather than asp, not a lot of people look at em

[dull radish]

yeah percentile is kinda like your place in line, while ASP is weighted in proportion to max parse for your job

[valid gate]

i.e. Faust Z and refurbisher

[dull radish]

is why ASP gets skewed while percentiles don't

[valid gate]

exdeath and neo

[dull radish]

so yeah, percentiles is often a bit more sensible to look at at times, especially in some fights like 5 with heavy add padding

[grizzled seal]

healer % are usually easy while healer asp are pretty hard

[dull radish]

I remember when holis cube started up for BLM

laqi had #2 parse on the fight on BLM

but only like 116 ASP

for O5S

[valid gate]

y u p

[blazing pelican]

Healer optimization is actually nuts

[valid gate]

or it was

new ast kinda...

busts healers lol

[blazing pelican]

Imagine if all healers had 1.5 gcds

[valid gate]

ast is 100% going to get a potency nerf to malefic

its doing way way way too much damage

[grizzled seal]

i remember some reddit post telling me it's barely any dmg increase since good ast barely clip

[valid gate]

nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about

and should just wait to see how things go.

[blazing pelican]

My astro friend is 99th percentile. Her PB has climbed almost 300 DPS since the change

[grizzled seal]

good thing you have free movement aswell now with ls

every ~100s

[blazing pelican]

Cleric Stance > Lightspeed > Gravity =

[grizzled seal]

😌

[sullen sable]

Where are all those people complaining about brd/mch cast times in HW?

points at AST

[stable basin]

Sooo ... What does "zashiki asobi" translate to?

[lofty cape]

Fan play?

[blazing pelican]

"playful game" is what Translate gave me

[vital cypress]

er

they changed Malefic's potency? I thought it was just the cast time

[hybrid rapids]

why you say so

[vital cypress]

hmm?

just glancing at the stuff above

[hybrid rapids]

basically more malefic

since there's no "latency interval" between cast

and 1 GCD worth of DPS is quite awesome

and it's like 15~20 or more malefic depends on your previous play

[paper torrent]

lightspeed buff tho

goddamn

[hybrid rapids]

in an optimized fight, maybe lesser

but yea, it makes AST easier to weave card

• putting in malefic for average players

so it's an overall DPS increase for average players

[paper torrent]

tl;dr: ast got buffs they didn't deserve

[sour solstice]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[paper torrent]

gg personal dps 100 les than whm now

[vital cypress]

it's actually ahead of WHM now

apparently

[sour solstice]

again

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[paper torrent]

the fuck

it changed again?

god damn gg ez

[sour solstice]

not sure how that would work tho

[paper torrent]

so AST is god in prog now 'cause of hte lightspeed buff and the lack of clipping

[sour solstice]

since the whm GCD has more potency

[paper torrent]

god in speed and prog 'cause of cards

[sour solstice]

and we have 2 dots

[vital cypress]

they'll probably cut 10 potency off of malefic or something

[paper torrent]

good job se.

meanwhile samurai gets 2% dps

[sour solstice]

!action Malefic III

[storm frost]

**Malefic III** : lvl 64 Astrologian (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 220.

[paper torrent]

while mnk still outdamages it

[sour solstice]

oh no

[vital cypress]

also WHM is still probably the king of prog

[sour solstice]

210

[paper torrent]

god bless

[vital cypress]

just because Large Heals

[sour solstice]

yeah

[paper torrent]

yeah that's true

[sour solstice]

M2 is still better than aspected

[paper torrent]

but AST isn't as aids for prog nowo

[vital cypress]

and less MP headaches

yes

[paper torrent]

so in other words

SCH

Lite

with a side of more party buffs

[sour solstice]

basically

[paper torrent]

gg SE

[sour solstice]

you are telling me to level scholar

[paper torrent]

oh well at least 30% DM is fucking busted

[vital cypress]

SCH is good though

[paper torrent]

oh yeah

[hybrid rapids]

it's AST/WHM & SCH

AST and WHM has their own strengthen

there's no better or worse

[sour solstice]

its kinda like WAR and DRK

[vital cypress]

incidentally i'm a bit bemused that my first O7S clear on SCH was 45th percentile

[hybrid rapids]

but i find WHM comfy

[vital cypress]

undergeared

[sour solstice]

No one questions that PLD gets the spot

[vital cypress]

and not knowing what the hell to do

[hybrid rapids]

how do you define under geared?

[paper torrent]

DRK didn't get enough potency increases to bbe competitive in dps

[sour solstice]

but there is constant bickering between the drk and war players

[vital cypress]

iono, it's not my lead job

[hybrid rapids]

i did o7s as sch on ilvl 340

[vital cypress]

i355ish?

[paper torrent]

tsun is JP

Jp doesn't count

[vital cypress]

not like under-undergeared

[hybrid rapids]

355 isn't under-geared

[paper torrent]

NA shitters are talking rn

[vital cypress]

not BiS or anything

[hybrid rapids]

wow

o7s is like binary to me

yes or no difficulty

[paper torrent]

did your party survive virus?

gg easy

[hybrid rapids]

is daladuma first?

did you tethered to a healer?

[paper torrent]

daddyluma clips

REEEEEEE

[boreal edge]

@paper torrent most of us did o7s on i340

the 1st week raiders

[boreal edge]

@blazing pelican o8s was roadblock to us for sometime

too

at least godka

we beaten o5s - kefaust in like 5 weeks

godka alone took closer to 10 weeks

the parts where 1 death/tank death is a wipe

is where most deaths happen

the dmg down stack is crazy potent

33% less dps for 30 secs

thats 8% higher than weakness that last 30% of weakness time

[opal hollow]

what do I need levelled to overmeld level 70 gear?

[boreal edge]

@opal hollow depends on the job that can repair it

or desynth it

[dull radish]

Nothing to have someone meld for you though

[opal hollow]

i would but request melding takes a billion years

[dull radish]

Also, what 33% damage down?

[opal hollow]

it's for accessories btw

so uh which job is that o-o

[boreal edge]

godka dmg down stack

[opal hollow]

i know absolutely nothing about crafting

[dull radish]

That's not 33% haha

[boreal edge]

accs are usually

[dull radish]

Not even close

[boreal edge]

crp and gsm

mostly

[dull radish]

It's the weakest damage down ever

[opal hollow]

ahh ok

[boreal edge]

@dull radish i looked in logs for a war got dmg down and another not

[dull radish]

It's like

5%

My F4 were still hitting for over 20k

It's like the most negligible thing

[hybrid rapids]

@boreal edge you’re road block to me

[boreal edge]

@dull radish nvm you are right its around 5%

war cleaves were hovering between 9500 -10k under not buffs except maim and eye

[sleek belfry]

Godka damage down are weak as fuck

Like you can get p much every single one and still clear the dps check lul

I got dinged by 3 this week and got 6.3k in the end

[dull radish]

yeahh haha

it's dumb

[lucid karma]

even if everyone got damage down?

[dull radish]

easily

[unreal flax]

I should spend some time trying that damned fight.

I literally never learned anything in there except sleep/confuse and the first set of madheads

Or rather, I've learned a bunch, just nothing that has anything to do with me

[dull radish]

it's a pretty fun, cozy fight

[unreal flax]

my static hasn't cleared O7S as a group yet, so I haven't felt as compelled to go into it. That and I've gotten the crafting bug again, so I have to do that shit now.

Made my first servings of sushi and a few grade 1 infusions. I'm hype.

[dull radish]

nice <3 I need to get my crafters caught up a bit more, but new beast tribe will help me lazily get some levels which is nice haha

[unreal flax]

<333

Yeah, I haven't even unlocked the fishdudes yet. Spent all day yesterday gathering the shit I need for a stack of pots and food. Still need like... 59 dusklight for a stack of both, which is annoying, but maybe the fish will make it faster.

[dull radish]

I used to farm bulk aethersands for someone in my static that would craft a bunch of stuff for us haha

but someone came and crashed pot market for a bit on levi, so I stocked up on a few stacks, and should still be good for quite a while

[unreal flax]

Niiice. I'm under 600k (again) from buying shit I don't need (tank ring lololol)

[dull radish]

I still have a bit more than that haha, still sitting on money from sales from a ways back

spent a bit since I felt like working on leveling desynth a bit more, but not too much

[stable basin]

what does SMN need most? https://i.imgur.com/MCnB0oz.png

crit?

[dull radish]

Crit is usually your best bet

At least, if you're just looking for a generalized answer based around the kind of gear available

It doesn't really matter much though

[stable basin]

i'm going for determination just because of this https://i.imgur.com/TJX9Yvs.png

[scenic patrol]

Crit is still a stat you want more of

As a Bard

[stable basin]

I'm a SMN

as a bard yeah no doubt i'd hop on that crit train

but having everything above 1k is feelsgoodman https://i.imgur.com/lwETdlh.png

[dull radish]

Det is probably least worthwhile around that stat spread

[stable basin]

"it doesn't really matter much though"

[dull radish]

It doesn't

[pure yoke]

Having 2k+ crit and direct though

[stable basin]

warrior levels of direct crits?

[scenic patrol]

If you have luck

Above

[dull radish]

Well that's pretty moot

[scenic patrol]

Warrior's hardest hitting thing is Memeheaval at 652 potency

[dull radish]

With luck you don't need any secondaries

Just dh all the time at nigh base dh

[pure yoke]

Now that's real value

[dull radish]

Yeah <3

[pure yoke]

Static hunting is so ugh

[dull radish]

Yeah it is haha

[copper grove]

hi so i just began eureka, from the videos ive watched and from the ingame chats, it seems like everyone is looking for high lvl players

what can a new player like me do to level up?

[opal hollow]

start party finder with elvl = 1

in PF description

and/or grind mobs by yourself

well

the most important

is always find a group for NMs

and go to them

[copper grove]

what should i do if i find a elvl1 party

[opal hollow]

go fight shit that's like

4-6 levels above you

as a group

[copper grove]

sorry i dont know what a NM is lol

[opal hollow]

notorious monster

[copper grove]

oh

[opal hollow]

they're the FATEs

[copper grove]

my map is completely empty i dont see any fate circles

[opal hollow]

honestly if you want to put minimal effort into levelling/getting items

just afk and wait for FATEs to spawn

uhhh they're infrequent spawns

[copper grove]

oh i see

[opal hollow]

the NM FATEs

im not too sure if you need to explore the map first

[pine beacon]

They are hunts with fate markers

[opal hollow]

before you see the FATEs

just to be safe, you could try exploring the map?

that's what i did anyway

[copper grove]

just tried doing that right now, lvl 12 mob threw a nuke at me :p

[opal hollow]

you unlock the ability to attune to aetherytes at level 9 and mounts at 17

oh yeah

get your ninja cosplay out

cuz you're gonna be dodging mobs all day

in general you;ll be fine with just always walking behind mobs

[glossy musk]

mount 17

[opal hollow]

edited thanks

[radiant tiger]

man im at an impasse, i either grind for tomestones for a new weapon or grind eureka, or grind dungeons for a chance

whats the fastest or best way

[pine beacon]

Tsukuyomi

[radiant tiger]

no

[pine beacon]

You wanted the fastest way lul

Either that or tomestones

[radiant tiger]

its actually the longest way

[pine beacon]

10 runs

That's ~1h of your time?

[radiant tiger]

im ilvl 303 and only done the 1st quest of 4.1

[pine beacon]

Optimistically speaking

Ah, context

Yes, tomes

[radiant tiger]

fug

[opal hollow]

lol

fastest way to 360 gearscore

is literally with gil

get crafted items

[pine beacon]

Also true

[opal hollow]

coughididthatcough

[radiant tiger]

im broke

but i also did that before SB

[pine beacon]

Give a crafter the good succ

[opal hollow]

LOL

[pine beacon]

And say pretty please

(notrly)

[opal hollow]

with it still in your mouth for added effect

[pine beacon]

Tomes if no gil. Eureka is a grind, but it has the benefit of setting you up to consistently upgrade a decent weapon

So, if you're going for the best long term return, eureka

Short term, tome

Expensive option, crafted

[steady pebble]

gonna have to do delta/sigma for weapon

for tomestone

[radiant tiger]

eureka it is then, cause i might wanna go for relics either way

fml

[opal hollow]

interesting

idk it took me like 2 days to get to 340ish gearscore

though i did start level 70 with crafted weapon

[copper grove]

is it recommended to do eureka? i just finished SB and now i want to get myself to ilvl300+ to do raids and stuff

from my perspective eureka looks like something to do while you wait for the next patch

[radiant tiger]

eeeeeeehh

[opal hollow]

eureka imo is the slowest way

it took me 2 days to get one piece of gear to max

wait

i forgot it upgrades in between

nvm scratch what i said

[copper grove]

what would you recommend?

[opal hollow]

idk i personally got lucky

got to 70 day before reset

got 900 tomes for chestpiece

bought crafted weapon

part of my stuff was centurio stuffs

other part was creation tomes

[copper grove]

mmmmmm

[opal hollow]

grinded sigmascape normal

(which is easier now i guess)

accessories were slowly becoming crafted cuz BiS for tank

but right now

imo fastest way = sigmascape normal

i geared SAM in one day

with fulll 350 stuffs

[copper grove]

my ilvl is low

[opal hollow]

swallow's compass is also really good

what;s your ilvl?

[copper grove]

286

i just finished sb and want to get to ilvl 300+

[opal hollow]

buy crafted weapon = huge boost

[copper grove]

my wallet is telling me otherwise

barely have gil to buy food

lol

[opal hollow]

hm if you can't afford it there's dungeon grinding your way up

[copper grove]

mmm

[opal hollow]

the earlier level 70 dungeons give you 300 gear score

find a hunt linkshell

get centurio gear

for 330?

or 310

[steady pebble]

tbh

[opal hollow]

forgot

[steady pebble]

i wouldn't bother with ala mhigan gear

just grind dungeons for creation

[copper grove]

creation is the ryu gear correct?

[steady pebble]

no

creation is the lost allagan gear

[copper grove]

oh okay

[unreal flax]

Ala Mhigan is i310. Ignore it. Lost Alagan is Creation. Ryumakyu is Mendacity.

[opal hollow]

it's uncapped so you can get it super fast

[copper grove]

is allagan better than ryu

[steady pebble]

no

Rukmakyu is better

but its weekly capped

[copper grove]

ohhh thats why

[steady pebble]

you can only earn 450 mendacity a week

[copper grove]

okay

i guess i can grind creation for now

[steady pebble]

the dungeons give both creation and mendacity

[opal hollow]

and 300 gear at your ilvl

[copper grove]

yeah eureka doesnt look like something i want to do, i just want to do raid content and have fun

[steady pebble]

have you unlocked temple of the fist and kugane castle?

[copper grove]

the latter, not temple of fist

[opal hollow]

unlock all of level 70 roulette asap

[steady pebble]

unlock for temple is in rhalgr's reach

[copper grove]

oh wait i actually ahve the quest for that

yeah ill get those two

[opal hollow]

so the tl;dr = grind your dungeons lol

[copper grove]

okay

[opal hollow]

until you hit 300 and get to trials ex

for some spicy weapons

[copper grove]

whats the third dungeon in the lvel 70 roulette besides kugane and fist

[steady pebble]

skalla

but that requires 300

[opal hollow]

hnnnng no isync

[copper grove]

okay

[steady pebble]

it'll be unlocked via the msq

[copper grove]

got it

[opal hollow]

is swallows compass locked behind most recent MSQ?

[steady pebble]

no

swallow's compass is side quest

[opal hollow]

ah ok

[scenic patrol]

It's after Byakko

[copper grove]

also, are there any new changes to DRK or possible changes to DRK?

[opal hollow]

yes

[scenic patrol]

Aside from the 4.3 stuff

No

[opal hollow]

sole survivor need to be rebound to your keys

[scenic patrol]

DP was changed/nerfed

[opal hollow]

ugh i really should use it more

i keep forgetting it's a spell

[copper grove]

DP as in dark passenger?

[scenic patrol]

Yes

[copper grove]

hoo boy, yeah i dont have the habit of using that either

[scenic patrol]

It's now 140 potency with 60 seconds CD

[copper grove]

aw

[scenic patrol]

It's still trash for single target aside from the opener

[copper grove]

i see

[opal hollow]

do you remember what it was before?

[scenic patrol]

100 potency

[opal hollow]

i forogt the changes

[scenic patrol]

With 30 CD

[copper grove]

well i guess now that it has a longer cooldown people are less likely to blow mana on it

idk

[scenic patrol]

How does that correlate?

[opal hollow]

why the fuck is it so expensive

it should be free imo

[scenic patrol]

I dunno

It's a very potent AOE nuke

[copper grove]

well for me i like to use skills as they come up "ooo boy a button" press

lol

[opal hollow]

idk i WANT to use it for the blind effect with DA

[copper grove]

that too

[opal hollow]

but motherfucker it costs more than half your mana bar

[scenic patrol]

It's 10%

Why do you care?

[opal hollow]

cuz i'd rather just abyssal drain spam

[copper grove]

thats so satsifying to use loool

[scenic patrol]

Let me put it this way

[opal hollow]

WAIT

IM RETARDED

[scenic patrol]

DA DP is more time/potency efficient then AD

[opal hollow]

i forgot that DP is oGCD

eh i should be using it i guess

[scenic patrol]

Why do so many dark knights forget that fact?

[opal hollow]

because it's hardly used

might be nice for o5s

[scenic patrol]

The people who don't use it in Dungeons don't know how to play DRK

[opal hollow]

i really should be using it more in dungeons LMAO

but

i haven't done a dungeon in like a week

on DRK

[copper grove]

speaking of DRK has any changes hit warrior yet?

[opal hollow]

yeah

inner release = no beast guage cost on spells

but the timer went down from 10s -> 6s

[copper grove]

i see

[opal hollow]

also inner beast got buffed

duration 4s->5s

[copper grove]

wow 😮

[opal hollow]

reeee why did WAR get buffed

[copper grove]

doesnt look like the warrior train is gonna stop

haha

[opal hollow]

yeah i feel like they're the strongest tank class rn

[copper grove]

i want DRK to have somethign really special

besides tbn

[opal hollow]

moar aoe

pl0x

[copper grove]

like something it does that people will notice and label it as it's signature move

[opal hollow]

they should just make DRK the magic + aoe tank

[copper grove]

yeah that sounds pretty cool

[opal hollow]

the buff to DRK's dark mind was so fucking good though

made 05s and o6s so much easier

30% damage reduction lul

[copper grove]

what is 0_s?

are those raids or something?

[opal hollow]

omega sigmascape savage

[copper grove]

ohh savage

yeah i keep hearing about those war stories

[opal hollow]

it's not as bad as people say imo

[copper grove]

i see

;^)

[opal hollow]

ah accidentally deleted my message woops

[copper grove]

will 4.3 bring new story content

not just side stories and stuff, like actual story

[steady pebble]

every major patch adds to the msq

[copper grove]

alright sounds good

[opal hollow]

i randomly got invested in gosetsu halfway through stormblood

felt good when 4.3 came out to continue that story

[copper grove]

yeah, the story content in this game is why ive logged so much time, the ending of stormblood was amazing

GOSETSU yes!!!

[opal hollow]

LOL

[scenic patrol]

IR is 10 seconds

Used to be 20

And PLD is the stronger tank

[radiant tiger]

is there a current map for eureka? the one im looking at doesnt show elementals for the challenge

[stable basin]

I'm not even entirely sure what mobs are "elemental" for that

Anemos Elementals aren't mobs you kill sooo ...

Also can you still usefully learn tsuki ex from the videos or have healers adjust and small triangle changed things too much so better catch the early weeks learning parties before they start to dry up?

I.e. is it even useful in pf to learn Mr Happy or Mizzteq strat anymore?

[blazing pelican]

Mr Happy's strat has been roundly determined to be complete garbage

[stable basin]

I don't really wanna feel I have to rush it but it's sounding like none of the main guides will teach you what you need anymore so if you don't go early when there are lots of prog parties still around ... is nervous

[dull radish]

I mean

[stable basin]

(By contrast, Shinryu didn't really have any real tricks like that, it's hard but straightforward so I was just fine end of 4.1)

[dull radish]

it's not rocket science

all the different strats, they can just pretty much be explained (and are in whatever party you join), by one simple "go here if you have the thing"

it doesn't matter if you did it week 1 or many weeks from now

that's all there is to the mechanic

you're always so set on thinking if you don't jump on content right away that you're forever screwed and behind

but that's just not how it is haha

[steady pebble]

just a matter of continuing to play russian roulette with pf

if you're not with a full group 🤷

took me a month or two before i got my susano/lakshmi clears

[stable basin]

Hah that actually doesn't surprise me kael

I thought lakshmi was easy but you'd be surprised how many horror stories I encounter even 80+ kills in

[steady pebble]

She is easy

neither susano nor lakshmi are actually that hard to do

its people either not paying attention

[paper torrent]

Byakko Ex is hilarious

[steady pebble]

or not doing their rotation worth a damn

like...90% of the time i would wipe in susano

was because someone tunneled on their dps so hard

they didn't realize they had lightning

or they fucked up placing the line

That isn't hard

that's just them not paying attention

[paper torrent]

same thing with byakko

the two main points of failure are markers

and someone fucking up LB

PLD gets such a hard fucking pass on tiger anyway it's impossible to freaking die

that's not hard, it's just not paying attention

[radiant tiger]

what does NM level mean? it looks like its much lower than level of spawning mob

[paper torrent]

NM level is the fate level itself

it determines whether you get full exp or not

iirc you have to be within 2 levels of the NM to get exp

and items

[radiant tiger]

oh so you can still leach from NMs of higher level spawns

[paper torrent]

oh yeah defintely

[steady pebble]

yes

you still get xp

regardless of your lvl

[paper torrent]

most people now say to duo grind to 5 or solo grind

[steady pebble]

its you need to be near their lvl to get the rewards

[paper torrent]

and then just join the train

[steady pebble]

aka the crystals/lockboxes

[radiant tiger]

i mean you get exp but if gap is too high that exp is shit

[steady pebble]

yes

[paper torrent]

i'd say just join the train and not do eureka

[steady pebble]

its scales

to your lvl more or less

[radiant tiger]

trains are garbage

dont advice people to do trains

[scenic patrol]

Why?

[blazing pelican]

3 up, 3 down for NMs

Otherwise it isn't worth it exp wise

[paper torrent]

oh was it really?

i thought it was 2 my bad

[radiant tiger]

because you get almost no exp for amount of waiting you have to do

and no resources

youd be better off spawning level apropriate fates

[scenic patrol]

Of course

But good luck having a party for that

[radiant tiger]

3 up, 3 down for NMs
but for example level 6 cactuars spawn level 1 NM, how does that work?

[paper torrent]

he means for full exp and goods

[blazing pelican]

Pro tip: get married to another player so you can be carried around in a 2 seater

[paper torrent]

@blazing pelican marry me senpai

[scenic patrol]

5 levels below spawning mobs

[steady pebble]

don't do it

he's got cooties

[blazing pelican]

Hope you like bottoming

[paper torrent]

mega gay cooties

[radiant tiger]

Pro tip: get married to another player so you can be carried around in a 2 seater
why?

[steady pebble]

ofc he does

have you talked to Lmao?

[paper torrent]

ofc i am

have you seen my parses?

i war skip like a bitch

and i take the hit to my pDPS and LOVE IT

[blazing pelican]

You can't mount summon til a certain point in Eureka

But you can still ride a 2 seater

[radiant tiger]

just run, youre running through low level mobs anyway

[scenic patrol]

Not really

[radiant tiger]

yes, all mobs are positioned gradually by level

[paper torrent]

also mounting is faster

also easy to afk

also you don't draw aggro iirc

[scenic patrol]

Which means not being on the train

Because the train does Fafnir and other shit like that

[paper torrent]

trying to hit the train pre 9 is suffering

[radiant tiger]

yeah but training is a waste of time anyway

so that point is moot

[scenic patrol]

I'd rather watch anime and AFK

Which I did

To max level

[humble scarab]

Lolol

[radiant tiger]

anyway you didnt answer, if you can only get NM reward if youre below 3 levels above it but its spawned by monsters of 5 levels above it, how are you supposed to do them?

[paper torrent]

AFK...?

and have other people spawn them for you?

and then tag the boss and smash buttons for contrib?

[radiant tiger]

no i mean if im level 6 spawning cactuar boss of level 1, do i not get rewards from her?

[steady pebble]

you still get xp and shit

[scenic patrol]

Full party

[radiant tiger]

what about it

[scenic patrol]

Or you don't bother spawning level appropriate NMs

[radiant tiger]

oh for NMs youre supposed to hunt higher level mobs with party

i get it

[scenic patrol]

Anyways, it's 5 levels gap between mobs and NM

So you ain't soloing that shit

[radiant tiger]

yeah but i can solo mobs of my level

but then i spawn low level NM

oh I forgot there’s a sync

[sullen marlin]

hello! i was just wondering how to get into end game raids etc without having a FC/connections, back in HS i quit before even finishing normal alexanders and now at SB i'm really lost as in where to start 😢

sometimes i check out the raid recruitment discords/reddit etc and i'm having a hard time finding a group starting from ground zero

i debated if i should ask in #questions-and-help or here, please lmk if this isn't the place to ask!

i have been reading this guide on steam https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135738311

thanks in advance!

[paper torrent]

delta isn't the current endgame raid anymore

which is weird because he has medancity on there

sigma is the current endgame raid

most groups aren't starting from ground zero because it's late in the tier

your best bet is either to wait for the next set of fights

or try to get to o8s with pugs

and see if you can get a stitic that will pick you up from there

static*

[sullen marlin]

ah i see, the guide is prob a bit out dated then

thank you~ i was just wondering ummm

[paper torrent]

most of it is techincally correct

[sullen marlin]

what does o7s o8s mean?

[paper torrent]

the 3rd and 4th fight of the sigmascape tier

omega is the overall raid theme, like alex for HW

o1s-o4s was deltascape

o5s-o8s is sigmascape

fastest way to gear up now is to get creation from 70 roulette, run stuff till you can hit the ilevel requirement for sigma normal

and then do that to gear up

other option is eureka but that's a time sink

[sullen marlin]

thank you so much!!! i assume you can't do savage raids before first clearing the normal ones first?

i have so much more to learn

but thanks again for your time

[paper torrent]

Delta savage is a waste of time now

[scenic patrol]

Also you don't need FC to raid

[paper torrent]

Also yeah you have to have cleared normal first

Don't forget to unlock the 24 mans in stormblood, look up rabanstre for mote information

Those will help you regear as well

Although less so now because of the greed only rule

Mostly the new 24 man lighthouse will help you out

[sullen marlin]

ah i see, i can get augmented lost allagan with rabanastre, awesome!

thank you

[stable basin]

Also you only have to clear that tier on normal to get savage

[sullen marlin]

yesssss

[stable basin]

Like, right now you have Deltascape then Sigmascape

You need to do Delta Normal before you can do Sigma Normal, and you need to clear a tier's normal to unlock its Savage

You do not, however, need to clear Delta Savage to unlock Sigma Savage

[sullen marlin]

okay! i'm at around i335 right now and i think my plan is to do delta normal > sigma normal > then maybe 1 day sigma savage

thank you again 😊

[scenic patrol]

Only thing stopping you from doing Savage is yourself

Gear up to 340+ and just do it

It's fun

[opal hollow]

O5s and o6s are really easy

Byakko too for weapon to help out meeting 350 requirement for tsukuyomi

[stable basin]

Main reason to do old savage tiers is usually (besides the challenge if you didn't already do it earlier) is glam

[opal hollow]

Wait o1-4s drop gear?

[stable basin]

Savage gear is usually dyeable versions of the normal

Eureka might be better for weapons at this point

[opal hollow]

Hell no

Takes way too long

[stable basin]

... plus eureka weapons are pretty and Byakko ones look like Bismarck outtakes

[opal hollow]

10 runs for a weapon vs 10 hours in Eureka lol

[wet stag]

If you're already high level it's decent