endgame-lounge

[shadow pollen]

Lakshimi was braindead

[unreal flax]

That's what I'm saying.

[sour solstice]

it should be

Lakshmi to Thordan

[unreal flax]

I mean, ShinEx is definitely the hardest EX in SB, but Byakko ain't the easiest.

[paper torrent]

i fell asleep in a byakko transition oncde

[unreal flax]

Oh dear

[paper torrent]

woke up when i hit the floor

[hybrid rapids]

Easiest to Hardest imo
Lakshmi > Byakko > Susano > 4.3 Ex (huge gaps compared to Susano) > Shinryu

[sour solstice]

I use Pain Ballad

to refer to EX 4.3

[unreal flax]

I want another SephE-- wait, I can just do O4S more.

Hmmm. I wonder if SephEx being my favorite is because I spent so many months trying to cobble together a team that could clear it and also because it was such a nice fight for melees

[opaque tide]

I jsut cleared the new EX and agree with Tsun on that difficulty rating

its p hard to pug

i

m trying to theorycraft how to do that fight on BLM now after clearing it on RDM

though i don't think i'm gonna go in on BLM for awhile

[coarse radish]

All of the new one's difficulty is in one mechanic though pretty much

[opaque tide]

I have to raise healers so much on RDM I don't trust pug healers to not die a million times atm, still too early

yeah pretty much

phase 3 is 90% of the difficulty

if you egt past phase 3 its a joke

[unreal flax]

Isn't Phase 3 like... the fight

Phase 4 is chests lol

[coarse radish]

First two phases i got past with a pug on the first try at patch release

And the part after the hard part was easy to figure out

[opaque tide]

Phase 1 is like 2 mechanics that are stack and spread, phase two is adds, phase 3 is the whole meteors and floor changing, and phase 4 is just knowing what to do when the boss is black/white and what the dark blade and bright blade moves do

[coarse radish]

I didnt even know the boss changed colors, i used the text callouts

[opaque tide]

yeah you can sue either

*use

I jsut look at what color she is

[coarse radish]

Full moon is white, new moon is black

[opaque tide]

ya

[coarse radish]

Same with lance and gun

Beg for mercy is gun

[opaque tide]

I listen to sound queues for lance and gun

[coarse radish]

I forgot what lances is tho lol

[opaque tide]

o not the voice lines tho since I have it on JP voices

[coarse radish]

Oh lol

[opaque tide]

the gun just always makes the bullet sounds

and the spear makes a slashing sound

so I use that

[coarse radish]

I do based on voice lines

[unreal flax]

I like how the final boss in Rido says "I'll tear you limb from limb" lol

[opaque tide]

Voice lines sounds nice to use tbh.

[unreal flax]

I was doing it with my FC and I started quoting the Gryphon.

[coarse radish]

The fight definitely could have been spiced up though

[scenic patrol]

More bosses should have Voice lines

[coarse radish]

Like the dps check was lenient too

[opaque tide]

on the EX? Yeah the dps check is pretty lax if no ones dying

[coarse radish]

put fans into meteor phase

[last galleon]

DPS check is pretty lax even if a couple of people died. i remember byakko on launch you could hit enrage pretty easily if you had deaths.

but if people kept up with gearing EX is probably undertuned for current gear levels

[pure yoke]

you know

I realize in EX

most people never even see the Midnight Haze mechanic

[last galleon]

...that exists in eX?

lol

[pure yoke]

I guess if your party sucks

[last galleon]

did you mean the midnight haze adds?

[unreal flax]

WAIT. First phase GA100???

[last galleon]

that were in NM?

or is this another mechanic

[unreal flax]

Is that another one of those situations?

[pure yoke]

it was in NM

the two orbs that go together

[last galleon]

i didn't even know it exists in EX i thought they just took it out

now if only they took out the actual add phase...

[unreal flax]

Oh, the donuts? I think they just changed it.

In NM, players had to position them. In EX, it looks like they're just... placed.

[last galleon]

i think he meant the midnight haze adds that tethered to each other and slowly tried to go to center. no idea what happens if they made contact.

[unreal flax]

The adds are all Specters. The AoE prior to that phase is Nightbloom. The AoE at the end of it is Nightbloom again.

OH WAIT

You're talking about the ball adds

There are too many orbs in this fight lol

Anyway, from what I can tell, it's not in Ex. Just the donut orbs.

[woeful prawn]

second meteors are MEAN

[woeful prawn]

hello are people killing this fight at second meteors

[sour solstice]

Skip meteor

if you get her to 35% it skips second meteor

[wet stag]

That's fuckin lame

[paper torrent]

IS IT

SKIP SOAR

OR DISBAND TIME AGAIN

\o/

[warm token]

i made a pic to help pplz with them meteors its been very help full with the servedrs ive sherd with

[unreal flax]

Nah.

[sour solstice]

probably

Skip 2nd meteor or disband

lets go

[unreal flax]

Soar was right at the start of the fight so it was uncomfortable. They learned you can skip it so it became “the thing”. This shit’s late enough in the fight that skipping it or not doesn’t matter. You’ve already done it successfully once.

[wet stag]

But pf is autistic

[sour solstice]

Yes

yes I am

[unreal flax]

thinking

[wet stag]

I mean

[unreal flax]

pensive

[wet stag]

I learned how to do soar

In 10 fucking minutes

It's not hard

Meteors are harder than soar imo

[unreal flax]

The mechanic wasn’t hard. The one as soon as he lands was just uncomfortable to do.

[wet stag]

Isn't he untargetable

[unreal flax]

The whole party is stacked up because last segment, now they have to spread and position themselves without killing someone else.

[wet stag]

How is soar real nibba just move nibba

Yeah but like

[unreal flax]

You’re asking people to move. And more importantly, move and not die.

PF people.

[wet stag]

And you're asking people to do meteors a second time

[unreal flax]

But you’ve already done it.

[sour solstice]

cardinal directions are hard

plus the second one is harder apparently

[wet stag]

But you have to do soar later in the fight anyway

[paper torrent]

remorse is 2 hard for my brainlet brain

[sour solstice]

same

[unreal flax]

Later in the fight is better than as soon as he lands.

[wet stag]

How is remorse real nibba just plunge nibba

[unreal flax]

People in this game react slowly.

[wet stag]

Use waymarks

Wait

Does na not use waymarks

[unreal flax]

For soar? Don’t know. Didn’t when I was learning that fight.

[wet stag]

Fuckin

No wonder

[woeful prawn]

eu used marks for ass stack

[dull radish]

soar was never really an issue mechanically, even for random pf groups

[woeful prawn]

yeah soar was not the hard part. it was the dont fail meteors that sucked.

[dull radish]

it was more the fact that, there's no reason to really even see the first one

[unreal flax]

Like first phase GA100

[dull radish]

yeah

except even worse

[wet stag]

Rika I feel like ur overestimating the average pf player

[dull radish]

nah like

[wet stag]

But sure

[dull radish]

you underestimate how little you needed to skip haha

you just needed people to do even like, 50% effective opener

and you would skip

especially when folks started bringing in extra dps

and doing solo tank and/or solo heal

[sour solstice]

We interupt this soar cancer to bring you an announcement

ACT has updated

[dull radish]

yeah

[unreal flax]

I skipped it on day one. I also saw it in the same party lol. They thought they could pussyfoot it since EXs are easier than savage. Wiped and all of a sudden, DPS spiked.

[woeful prawn]

i saw first soar

first soar, demon claw

first soar, demon claw, soar again

first soar, demon claw, soar again, demon claw

[sour solstice]

@wet stag so how does that work anyway?

do you just press it on CD?

[wet stag]

Lb cheese?

[sour solstice]

yeah

[wet stag]

Survive damage that would otherwise kill you because of shields generates a fuckton of lb

[sour solstice]

oh

[wet stag]

So to cheese lb you want people on low health on purpose

Then stack shields

[sour solstice]

so you let people sit at tiny amounts of hp

got it

[pure yoke]

don't do it with your pf

[scenic patrol]

Look at the fastest Kefka clear

[wet stag]

Yeah

[sour solstice]

I mean

yeah

im not stupid

[pure yoke]

LB CHEESING IS NOT SOMETHING AVERAGE PEOPLE SHOULD BE DOING

[wet stag]

EDH got like 1.5 bars in 10 seconds

[pure yoke]

even statics

most statics

you will die alot

EDH died alot

doing it

[scenic patrol]

24 wipes

[sour solstice]

1.5 bars in 10 seconds

[scenic patrol]

HP of a DPS player

[sour solstice]

is that a death

[scenic patrol]

Nah

[wet stag]

No

[sour solstice]

holy shit

thats uncomfortable

oh wait

thats heartless isnt it

[paper torrent]

probalby

[scenic patrol]

There's no Heartless in Kefaust

[wet stag]

That should be either Ultima or light of judjement

[sour solstice]

oh

[wet stag]

Judgement

[sour solstice]

thats kefaust

got it

[wet stag]

[scenic patrol]

Godka has more annoying shit

[sour solstice]

is it called Faust because of A1?

[wet stag]

Yeah

Hummelfaust in at

A5

Faust z in a9

[paper torrent]

KEKFAUST

[wet stag]

WHY IS TYPING HARD

[paper torrent]

BECAUSE WE'RE TANK MAINS

ME UNGABUNGA

HIT IR HIT FC WIN

[sour solstice]

ME KNO HOW TYPE 1 THIN

[paper torrent]

holy shit i am so bored waiting for this class goddamn

[sour solstice]

[wet stag]

Ew war

[sour solstice]

[woeful prawn]

is dark blade right and notdark left?

[wet stag]

Bright is right, and don't get left in the dark

[heavy mist]

For those people using mudfish how long does it usually last you? Also give the amount you buy too if u could.

im considering it now 🤔 for certain times

[hybrid rapids]

7~10 months for me

Only ff14 and average 2~4 hours per day

@heavy mist

Amount is $3 usd

Minimum top up

[maiden iris]

how does everyone like the Moon Moon fight

[hybrid rapids]

Fun and pretty

I liked it at least

[heavy mist]

is the TB magical or physical

🤔

@hybrid rapids thanks

$3 is pretty cheap so idm

[pure yoke]

hi Tsun

[wet stag]

I think it's physical

It looks like it should be physical

[heavy mist]

mkay

also

the tank gets a physical r magical debuff

so i wondering

[pure yoke]

for moon?

it's a physical attack

you can parry

[wet stag]

Only magic damage in that fight is the raidwide I think

[heavy mist]

hmm okay

rip dark mind

[wet stag]

Yeah DM isn't great lol

In that fight I mean

Makes the raidwide comfier tho

[pure yoke]

you can use it against the autos

because her autos are magical

[heavy mist]

autos are magical O.o

[wet stag]

shit I thought they were physical

Lmao

[heavy mist]

lol

[wet stag]

Thanks mug

[heavy mist]

mkay thats nice then

[pure yoke]

yeah

it's why you need to tank swap

the magic debuff was for the autos

after the tankbuster

[wet stag]

Ohhhhh

I'm

Can't believe I didn't realise

[heavy mist]

but i got a phy debuff

once

[wet stag]

What

The 4 diamonds is magic tho

[heavy mist]

i got a phy one

shield

[wet stag]

Hm

Oh is it from fans

[heavy mist]

so the 1st torment gives magical

2nd torment gives phy debuff

[ocean relic]

how 2 grind out tomestones fast af boi

i need like

[scenic patrol]

Which type?

[ocean relic]

some super 1337 grinding plan so i can just gogoggogo

mendacity

probably creation while am at it

[scenic patrol]

Eureka

For Mendacity

[ocean relic]

i'm like ilvl 320 atm btw

[scenic patrol]

It doesn't matter how fast you get Mendacity

You are still limited by the weekly cap

[ocean relic]

oh yeah

i forgot

i cant just get things over with asap

[unreal flax]

Got my Solvent and the last Weave I need for BiS. Pants didn't drop thought so I'm only i369.

[scenic patrol]

Got diamond weapon already?

[unreal flax]

Nah, just the augmented tomes one

[scenic patrol]

So close

[unreal flax]

SOOOO close.

[scenic patrol]

How's Godka going?

[ocean relic]

so eureka is the new POTD like thing eh?

is there a padjali weapon like deal for it too?

[unreal flax]

I haven't passed Clown yet. I've only actually entered the fight once and only made it to second (???) Graven

[scenic patrol]

Eureka ain't the new PotD

[unreal flax]

Eureka is more like Diadem.

Diadem minus any gathering.

[scenic patrol]

New PotD is HoH

Or Jenga Tower

Yet to be released

Heaven on High

[unreal flax]

I think PotD was released during 3.3, wasn't it?

[scenic patrol]

HoH is scheduled to release somewhere in 4.3X

[unreal flax]

man, the .3 patches are really something

or rather, the .3x patches

[sour solstice]

Alright

Got to second meteor

Im having trouble figuring out the debuff for the moon at a glance

[normal mesa]

mood

about where I'm at

[heavy mist]

what u mean debuff

the black and white ones

?

[ocean relic]

wait so we still have that weird one-piece-of-gear per week or something deal going on with the alliance sized raids

[normal mesa]

yeah

[ocean relic]

oof

[heavy mist]

i mean its fine

it gets unlocked later

so its so u wont farm em like crazy and be done with the content

[sour solstice]

Yeah

the black white one

[ocean relic]

gad-derm greedy squeenix tryna make me pace myself and enjoy the content

[sour solstice]

im having a hard time judging which is which at a glance

[heavy mist]

if its red/blue go to white arena

if its white crescent go to black arena

[sour solstice]

k

[heavy mist]

thankfully colors are on it

[normal mesa]

gold is white then?

[heavy mist]

yes

[normal mesa]

gold moon icon

ok

[sour solstice]

k

[heavy mist]

gold moon icon move to black aena

so u get red/blue icon

[normal mesa]

should be easier to remember for me

[heavy mist]

if u are color blind, uh idk

[stable basin]

Cleared Tsuki EX \o/

[sour solstice]

nice

[daring berry]

grats

hope im next

[warm oyster]

guys where can get me some Leather Cointe Quaint

[stable basin]

We had a like 20% enrage followed by a 3% choke

Melee used LB right before everyone died so healer couldn't mass res lol

[fringe ravine]

@warm oyster lost canals through maps and prayers

[warm oyster]

@fringe ravine thanks

[ocean relic]

3% Choke

Big oof

how many times did you get a ragequitter

[stable basin]

We actually had people stick with it pretty well

lost a few to needing to go to bed and stuff

But once people tasted it they went for it

Salt seems to be flowing a lot harder in "farm" parties

[paper torrent]

biggest salt

is from clear for one parties

by far

[stable basin]

Ran with the rule DPS always puts their meteor at C and wiped 4 times from a DPS putting it down completely randomly

[cyan fog]

man tortoice in time the solo duty is fun xDD

[stable basin]

We also used a rule of stack in the middle for gun to avoid wipes from one guy standing back left and one guy standing back right, which is blowing people's minds

[cyan fog]

killed my self 2 times cuz of the bubbles X_X

[heavy mist]

farm parties so much salt

[stable basin]

What if reverse trap party

Label it "Trying for first clear, have seen enrage" to get people who know what they're doing

[heavy mist]

pretty sure that sounds more like a trap

[cyan fog]

best thing i like about eureka if some idiots pull the adds like the thingy at pazu in the grp lol

[lucid karma]

reverse trap party is

"fresh practice, anyone welcome"

but see low % enrage in few wipes, or no wipe

[cyan fog]

its a wonder if some brain dead ppl dont try to wipe all players at pazu XDD

the real pros pull 4~5 adds in the big ass room x)

forgot what the adds are called the red ones whit the massive aoe xD

[copper portal]

Hey, would it be hard to find a PF for Byakko EX? I think it's time to upgrade my iLV300 weapon...

[paper torrent]

please don't go into byakko with a 300 weapon

you will get laughed at

or flammed

[copper portal]

Then what can I do to upgrade my weapon?

[paper torrent]

4 delta 4.0s

and 1000 creation for 330

[copper portal]

I can't do savage. If I can't take byakko with that how am I suposed to take godKefka?
NVM, I read sigma, not delta

Still, I haven't done any savage content. I doubt I'd be able to take NeoExdeath. I can farm regular delta 4 at least...

[paper torrent]

oh

not 4.0 savage

4 delta 4s

that's what i meant

god no that would be insane

[stable basin]

You can also hop on the eureka train for 355 weap and 350 armor but it's a bit of a grind

[near inlet]

its a grind

and alot of patience

esp for lvling

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[copper portal]

I'll take deltascape instead. I can't stand long, continous, monotonous grind

And I may be able to get the exdeath minion.

[opal hollow]

lol just buy a crafted weapon

[polar pumice]

you can also grind the new dungeon pretty easy and i345

[opal hollow]

^ true that

but aware that it's 330 ilevel requirement

[copper portal]

Apart from my weapon everything is 330 or more

[heavy mist]

can do eureka

[brave maple]

Are we allowed to talk about the new EX trail in here?

[boreal edge]

@brave maple mechanics but not primal name

or how it look like

[brave maple]

ah so things like need help with "mechanic name"

[boreal edge]

meteors?

[brave maple]

yuuuuup XD

Went in for about an hour last night and I don't think I got it, I mean I get the base concept but I'm always dying on that last tick

before the safe zones show up

[boreal edge]

u need to get last tick of small area

before it goes full white or full black

[brave maple]

will the large area always become the full color?

[boreal edge]

yes

[brave maple]

oh

okay

I was thinking it was random

[boreal edge]

its random which get bigger

but not random which gets full

[brave maple]

so basically hideout in the small color during meteors and then I'm golden eh?

[boreal edge]

yes

[brave maple]

sweet thanks! That simplifies things

[boreal edge]

unless u are that person who droo meteor in other side of arena

[hybrid rapids]

its random which get smaller
but not random which disappeared after

[boreal edge]

you have 50/50 cance to not die

[hybrid rapids]

[brave maple]

also I was a dumb, I knew Meteors were coming

[hybrid rapids]

2 seconds to place

You greedy you die

[brave maple]

but I was looking for T9 style markers and completely missed the BIG HONKING MARKER

...the first time at least 😛

also I play MCH (first mistake amirite) so I can be greedy AND do mechanics 😃

[boreal edge]

sometimes i get that last tick sometimes not

feels the mechanic not properly tested

if i got meteor on otherside of arena

[brave maple]

Pop sprint

😃

is probably what they were thinking

[boreal edge]

i do be4 i even get marked by meteor

primal says no fuck you

you didnt get it

[brave maple]

also fight is minorly irritating

Phase transition between P1 and P2 happens right as my second Wildfire goes up

[boreal edge]

only way to fix it i guess

is make midnight rain force a tick

before arena goes full white/black

@brave maple low dps then

[brave maple]

I mean, learning parties?

[boreal edge]

it goes p2 before i have chance to WF again myself

[brave maple]

I'm just starting my sequence

[boreal edge]

holy shit

almost slipped boss gender

[brave maple]

I figure fuck it and get some Overheated attacks in

[boreal edge]

[brave maple]

not like you're using Wildfire during adds...

[boreal edge]

aside from zenos no

[brave maple]

I don't even do that tbh

[boreal edge]

he last 15 secs

enough to throw WF

[brave maple]

yah but I'd rather WF the boss immeadiatly when they come down

[boreal edge]

boss spend 24 secs to be targetted again after zenos death

can be extra WF at last phase

[brave maple]

mmm true

I'll worry about that when I've seen the last phase though 😃

[boreal edge]

meteors is hardest part

last phase is easy

[brave maple]

sounds like it

[boreal edge]

as long ppl know how to stack/spread in right spot

[stable basin]

Is there a victory lap for 4.3 ?

[brave maple]

define victory lap?

[stable basin]

you know that one side quest where it taks you around HW in 3.3 I think

[boreal edge]

took me 1 hour just to do meteors phase properly

and 2 wipes in last phase

[brave maple]

oh nope

[boreal edge]

as i didnt understand at 1st

how blades work

turned out 4 way mechanic

[brave maple]

you mean the thing where they have you recreate your journey?

[stable basin]

ya that one I think

[woeful prawn]

why make dps run far

[boreal edge]

day 1 pf strat

didnt wanna complain about it

[brave maple]

yah it's only the first week of the patch

[boreal edge]

so i just did it

[brave maple]

strats being figured out

get through the fight, optimize later

Saw a Solo Heal party up in the Primal PF last night

[boreal edge]

best ex fight in SB tbh

so far

[brave maple]

I just hope that it's viable a couple weeks from now

[boreal edge]

despite being abit easy

its not hard to solo heal it

tbh

[brave maple]

I mean I'm gonna be grinding because the Gun is 2nd BiS behind the Diamond weapon

(RIP Tome Weapon)

[boreal edge]

solo healing it might make spear mechanic simpler

1 less healer to forget to stand in certain spot

also there isnt much dmg going

aside from akh morn

[brave maple]

is it just me or does the gun make a "ratchet" sound and the spear a "shiiing" sound for Nightfall?

[boreal edge]

yes

i just dont bother looking

just listen to what it says

if beg its soak

if end its spear

[brave maple]

yah I gotta commit those to memory

[woeful prawn]

fight design is always the same

[boreal edge]

listening is easier to me than looking

[brave maple]

I want to get my static in there, but we finally cleared O7S this week and we're chomping at the bit for Kefka now

[boreal edge]

gz

[brave maple]

(yes I know we be slow 😛 )

[woeful prawn]

dont let dps move
healers get the cuckoldry
tank face north
pairings tank/melee and heal/ranged

[boreal edge]

still 1 patch to go

o8s is still relevant

@woeful prawn the only thing i liked in their spear strat is that

dps just stay behind boss

guides are making spear look more complex than it is tbh

[woeful prawn]

never force dps to move wtf

[boreal edge]

also spear isnt a soak

its flat dmg

a melee going to right flank

might lower dmg going to 3 others

for positionals

if he get targetted

[woeful prawn]

its tank north, heals east and dps south with left flank being the positional greed

[boreal edge]

its not even positional greed

you can do positionals there without worrying

i would post my vid

but its spoiler

[woeful prawn]

its greed because consistancy is key

[sour solstice]

I just did the new dungeon

gotta say

that was fun

[opaque tide]

man i've been practicing BLM in actual fights since I decided to gear it up over BRD

jeez it can be a struggle.

Trying to abuse AM and Triplecast more but ahh

theres alot of times atm where I triplecast for a mechanic and then realize saving it for the next probabaly would have been much better so I become a scathe mage

ahhh

[stable basin]

Yeah, I mained BLM back in ARR

and noticed that myself, to really do well as BLM you have to already know the fight

I think that's part of how the Melee Meta started coming into play

[sour solstice]

what

[stable basin]

remember BLM is not only a turret, but (unless this has changed significantly since 50) is particularly sensitive to having its rotation interrupted compared to other jobs (because mainly of the MP cycle thing)

like, if you have to stop your rotation at the wrong time to move kinda thing.

[sour solstice]

slidecast+tricast+AM+swift is generally enough

[stable basin]

Other jobs just lose uptime, BLM can run into issues with the Astral/Umbral buff falling off at an inopportune time

[sour solstice]

and if you let Astral/Umbral fall off

you were either A. stunned for 15 seconds

or B. retarded

[stable basin]

huh maybe it was either more of a pain in ARR or I was not as good of a gamer back then

[lucid karma]

C. ded

[sour solstice]

Transpose

@lucid karma thats B

[lucid karma]

sometimes not your fault

[sour solstice]

true enough

[stable basin]

and yeah, we didn't have Triplecast back then

If you had to move, it was either use your Thunder proc or lolscathe

At least SMN was a little better off since Ruin II is stronger than Scathe

Now ironically it seems to be RDM that struggles the most with mobility

SMN has Ruin II, BLM has Triplecast, a Thunder proc, and in the last resort Scathe

[lucid karma]

forced melee phase

don't forget about it

can't even dump mana from afar

[stable basin]

not only that, but even in caster phase if you don't have cooldowns up, you have at most two casts (and that's if you brought swiftcast) before you need to turret

and you don't even have any dots to keep dps uptime other than that

[sour solstice]

both also have swift

and you know

slidecasting

[stable basin]

but yeah, RDM doesn't even have a scathe equivalent

[sour solstice]

Save melee combo

[opaque tide]

you can't really save your melee combo lol

or else you over cap and fall way behind on where you should be

I don't really know which caster struggles the msot with mobility even though I play all 3. I can say its definitely not SMN but for RDM vs BLM it depends on the fight

[sour solstice]

depending on some mechanics you can

saving melee is better than not casting

[opaque tide]

like for example I was just doing the 24 man on BLM and that one mechanic the number boss has where he spins in a circle for like 15 seconds RDM can't do anythign there where as BLM can triplecast + Swift cast + scathe + procs

[sour solstice]

yeah

[opaque tide]

depends on how long you're saving the melee combo

[sour solstice]

you save melee for that

or just

you know

use the unechanted

so its not a TOTAL waste

[opaque tide]

yeah you can do that

just saying caster mobility really isn't as clear cut as alot of people say. Alot fo the time RDM struggles the least with mobility but people seem to think you can play it like a BRD and never stop moving or soemthing

[sour solstice]

RDM actually probably struggles the most in shit like C7

[dull radish]

it's sort of like, RDM has the most overall movement just regularly available, but isn't great at burst movement. BLM has some moments where it's best mobility, other times where it's the worst (you can plan a bit around it but often for some varying amount of loss), SMN has on-demand movement at minimal to no loss (R3->R2), with high mobility phases as well (DWT)

how mobile a caster is is mostly dependent on the above and how it works into the needed movement in a fight

if it's stuff like that dumb robot doing spinny thing well screw BLM after triple and swift are burned, if they were up for it

[opaque tide]

welp thats the best i've seen it explained but you're 100% correct imo

[sour solstice]

Meanwhile

Bard is laughing their ass off

[opaque tide]

honestly SMN I barely feel punished for having to move ever though, like R2 over R3 isn't that huge of a loss and half the time you're in DWT anyways so you're basically a BRD

[boreal cypress]

Yeah. People don't seem to understand a lot of the time that mobility freedom is just about wholly dependent on where you're at on your rotation.

[sour solstice]

Oh no

[lucid karma]

robot spins is ridiculous

I love it

[sour solstice]

I have to delay Foe by like 4 GCDs

[boreal cypress]

...But my casting class is SMN, so yeah.

[sour solstice]

us poor healers tho

"I guess ill just give people regen"

[dull radish]

at high level of SMN you do end up standing still for a good portion of the time, since those R3 -> R2 do end up adding up to a decent loss over time

but one by one, it's not the biggest concession

[boreal cypress]

I mean, that's mitigated a little by holding onto R4.

[dull radish]

slightly

[boreal cypress]

If I know I'll be moving, I'll save one to offset the damage loss.

[dull radish]

but you don't really want to hold onto them too much and possibly miss one

if you get a proc and movement is very soon sure you can go ahead and save it for a GCD or two, but if it's going to be much longer, you're better off just using the proc and either hoping for another one or using R2

[simple mist]

Can tsukiyomi's gun (stack) target the MT?

[boreal edge]

no

[bronze rover]

her meteors also cannot target the MT from what I noticed

[sour solstice]

yup

its always OT

it would be so dickish if they forced another swap

[simple mist]

Okay cool thanks for the info guys 👍🏾

[high ether]

tfw one of the three teams in pvp is so retarded they only fight your team and let the third team win

congratulations, you played yourself

[sour solstice]

Someone else playing pvp

what

[pure yoke]

what is an Ashkin in Eureka?

[steady pebble]

ashkin are usually like zombies and shit

[unreal flax]

Duuude, I'm gonna have so much SkS lmao.

Kefka prog is gonna be a nightmare lol

[sour solstice]

does the 4.3 wep have sks?

[unreal flax]

The trial one? No. But I have the i370 one already.

[sour solstice]

oh

[unreal flax]

And that one has a ton of SkS lol

[sour solstice]

ripp

whats your GCD?

[unreal flax]

right now, it's 2.39. It's about to be 2.36 once I get this bracelet lol

[dull radish]

Need to go faster <3

[unreal flax]

My pants and weapon are the source of all my extra SkS

[sour solstice]

oof

[unreal flax]

I'm glad my ping is under 50ms because double weaving is about to get real, real interesting

[sour solstice]

Jump

[stable basin]

can end-game crafting discussion go in here

[dull radish]

Sure

[stable basin]

ok, so I'm trying to craft some nightsteel ingots https://i.imgur.com/pB0lVb5.png

I can't get HQ nightsteel because my miner stats aren't good enough

but no matter what rotation I try I can't seem to 100% HQ it

even though I have before, and on worse stats

[steady pebble]

you tried a mama rotation?

[stable basin]

a what now

[steady pebble]

Maker's Mark

[stable basin]

oh

no, i'll give that a go

[unreal flax]

48 quadrillion MaMas lol

[stable basin]

it's not really a progress issue, more of a fuck 35 durability issue

how am I struggling this much with 553 cp :V

[sour solstice]

https://i.imgur.com/LeFQ3VQ.png

Idk how well this one works

[severe notch]

That's what my group did except for spear

[sour solstice]

did you just swap the spear?

[severe notch]

No

[sour solstice]

idk how else you would do spear

[severe notch]

Dps east healers south

[sour solstice]

oh

well

means you might lose a positional

[severe notch]

Nope

Boss on angle

[sour solstice]

ah

most groups ive been in have rotated that moon 90 degrees

I guess that one is more consistent tho

[severe notch]

I only did it with my static

[sour solstice]

Oh

[severe notch]

Scared how pugs do it

[sour solstice]

welcome to primal PF

I cant help you farm because I dont have clear

but I can guaruntee 1 healer isnt completely incompetent

But I respect your decision if you dont want me to join

[severe notch]

Also going for sushi soon

[sour solstice]

/p ■Night Fall
/p Gun→Stack at Rear　Spear→Spread as follow
/p 　　MT
/p 　 　●
/p 　D　 H
/p ■Meteor Placement
/p A＝DPS　B=OT　C＝Healer

something to make your life easier

in the pugs

[severe notch]

Do pugs change what side dps drops

So if a is on large side dps still go there?

[sour solstice]

I generally make DPS take far meteor

[severe notch]

Away from the boss and why?

[sour solstice]

most pugs do it the way I described earlier

where the boss is at the middle of the cresent

but if you do the above strat

DPS wouldnt change

[severe notch]

Ok ty

[sour solstice]

the blade/fan/lunacy stack tends to fuck people

so be wary of that

[severe notch]

My group tanked lb it

[sour solstice]

Did you skip second meteor?

[severe notch]

No

[sour solstice]

melee LB is good for that

If your pug has the DPS

[severe notch]

Tank lb the spear

[sour solstice]

but

[severe notch]

Skip is 35%

[sour solstice]

yeah

Pugs suck

[severe notch]

My group had deaths

We were at 40

[sour solstice]

Yeah

pugs suck

[severe notch]

It wasn't a pug

[sour solstice]

No

[severe notch]

It was static

[sour solstice]

I know that

you could probably get 35% to make farming easier

[severe notch]

Yep

[sour solstice]

Just uh

make sure your MT invulns

er

[severe notch]

No pld

Sorry

[sour solstice]

for phase transition

else they instantly die

[severe notch]

Ty

[stable basin]

could someone help me refine this? https://i.imgur.com/IRquMKP.png

I'm not comfortable leaving it at 96%

if I had a single extra CP I could do it

nvm

i forgot to account for initial preparations cp reduction

[light wagon]

Is there a solid video guide for the new ex? There's a few but idk if they are up to date with all the strats like getting to 35% to skip one of the phases

[sullen isle]

how much targets does it take for dragoon AOE to become top skill?

doom spike

[hybrid rapids]

@light wagon here’re few guides I like:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSOkeEkOS8nzBz8YHaZ43mIdd9zOGq9z7eGtkvu6f6kIJdwvaInBNx3mpka82v2JGxKh3_9-NWoiAYO/
http://clees.me/guides/tsukuyomi-ex/

[sour solstice]

@light wagon the skip 35 strat is basically impossible in pugs so dont worry about that one

[hybrid rapids]

Standard mrhappy guide
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZTvW_O_KFY

@sullen isle you current level?

Usually is 3

And above

If you’re Lv.70 and mind to improve, here’s a in-depth guide of DRG

!faq drgguide

[storm frost]

Dragoon Guide

Info

Not tanking the floor Guide: http://tinyurl.com/drgguide4-0

[shadow pollen]

tbh the trial isn't hard either

if you can pass 1st meteor you can pass 2nd

[hybrid rapids]

That’s subjective

[sour solstice]

PF is the hard part of the trial

[hybrid rapids]

Agree

[sour solstice]

and uh

every trial

but this one is extra special

[light wagon]

@sour solstice oh gotcha. So I won't expect pf to get to 35%

[sour solstice]

yeah

its a miracle if PF hits enrage

[austere flame]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cJaTt3NGl-x8iFzyLpupfo6b7ChV-UIn-71yZ-xyivk/edit#gid=1061959067

Is this accurate?

[hybrid rapids]

Let me take a look

[austere flame]

TL;DR = If Crit+DH= >3500 crit investment is much better than DH

[hybrid rapids]

Wait a second

I won’t say much better but it contributes more indeed

Also there’re some exception like war you just want to dump all crit in

If crit can’t hit a threshold it’s better to focus on DH instead like SAM/PLD for example

But there’re some SAM players focus on crit as well

The difference is actually few % at most, maybe the gaps will going larger on next tier but idk

[dull radish]

I wouldn't go by that number for a blind metric, it's a pretty made-up number

Well, there's some reasoning but like

I dunno

There's a lot of factors and times that below that number that crit is still better

[hybrid rapids]

Yes, it’s pure maths and might not particle in actual fight

For example blm still want to hits that comfy SpS to fit in 6 fire IV? Before going into crit

[dull radish]

Even without the context of a fight haha

You don't really need spellspeed for that

But yeah

Folks overemphasize the importance of optimizing secondaries

[hybrid rapids]

True

Weapon damage > Main stat

[sterile geyser]

why does it feel like nobody plays NIN or DRG lately? 90% of groups thatre LFG need one or both of them =/

[paper torrent]

It's not that people don't play those

It's that GOOD people who play those are rarer

[steep iris]

they're also in high demand esp cause they're meta

[sterile geyser]

I'll take bad ones over having to pug every week in a 7/8 group

i main PLD and play DRG as a secondary, but it's feeling more and more like I should just play DRG and let my group find another offtank =/

but i prefer raiding on pld

[paper torrent]

Nah good PLDs are rare

[sterile geyser]

i find that hard to believe

the job is so braindead

i actively feel guilty sometimes in progression being a pld because you literally never need to think

[paper torrent]

Consistent cover is really good mitigation, plus tank swaps need to be remebered and preplanned

[sterile geyser]

my pld IS bis though (besides weapon), so maybe i should just suck it up and play drg for the group

provided they either recruit a DRK, or a pld that doesnt mind giving up first dibs on diamond sword/shield

[dull radish]

The latter is gonna be tough unless they already have it

But it's interesting, most recruitment I've seen on primal (including my group) has been mainly for PLD/DRK haha

Though we've extended our search to possibly have someone in the group swap jobs, so possibility to recruit a NIN or good healer

[sterile geyser]

we've got a mnk as our only melee atm, so we are really trying to get either nin or drg

but every week weve had to settle for a pug SAM or often enough, a RDM forced to do melee mechanics

[fast coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/432962351814279169/448563902381555715/qmbqzzv304z01.png

[lunar carbon]

has grey parse ;-;

[fast coyote]

same

[paper torrent]

Relevant name

[lunar carbon]

actually it's green now, but like

25

[fast coyote]

😮

[lunar carbon]

is grey uh

24 and below?

or was it 19?

[paper torrent]

24

[lunar carbon]

so yeah

[paper torrent]

25 ia green

Barely

[lunar carbon]

i'm 1 above grey

LMAO

[fast coyote]

prolly 24 and I think i might reach 100 kefka kills before next ultimate

[lunar carbon]

:o

[fast coyote]

79 atm, 21 to go 😄

[sour solstice]

!whologs @lunar carbon

[storm frost]

Anarth Chalivier of Leviathan

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Summoner: (3302/8055) [5245.88 DPS] [61.4 Historical] [7:51]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Red Mage: (6290/7766) [4578.61 DPS] [30.1 Historical] [10:30]
Summoner: (2970/7616) [5745.49 DPS] [66.8 Historical] [8:50]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Summoner: (3981/5380) [5259.62 DPS] [26.5 Historical] [11:17]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[sour solstice]

yup

1.5 above a gey

[unreal flax]

!whologs @unreal flax

[storm frost]

Gormeus Rowntree of Excalibur

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Dragoon: (4885/10857) [4900.65 DPS] [55.3 Historical] [7:30]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Ninja: (8149/8955) [4446.1 DPS] [10.0 Historical] [9:27]
Dragoon: (4130/10591) [5661.92 DPS] [65.6 Historical] [8:54]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Dragoon: (4296/7672) [5011.38 DPS] [44.7 Historical] [11:25]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[unreal flax]

rip

[heavy mist]

rip

[vital cypress]

green parse tier

[heavy mist]

👌

[vital cypress]

!whologs @vital cypress

[storm frost]

Error!

FFLogs API Error: Invalid character name/server/region specified.

[vital cypress]

oh

okay

[sour solstice]

@stable basin check pins in this chat

for a link to the balance

they will roast your ass

[stable basin]

Tsuki EX learning party with The Legend title required

[sour solstice]

Whats that title

[wet stag]

Ucob clear

[sour solstice]

[torn kindle]

[sour solstice]

thats special

[unique wolf]

[sour solstice]

hi tiff

[normal mesa]

🌝

[native hound]

which phases are the new orchestrion rolls for the new trial?

Nightbloom or Wayward Daughter

[torn kindle]

They're usually ordered as first then last

Wayward Daughter is probably the post-ultimate music

not sure if nightbloom is during the adds or the beginning

[native hound]

if it's during adds i'll need another faded copy >_<

[vocal fjord]

Hi! I was wondering what kind of gear do I need for the newest trial released in extreme mode?

[heavy mist]

would recommend i350

technically theres no minimum ilevel when using PF

[vocal fjord]

Oh well I have 351! GOOD 😃

[heavy mist]

but i350 is recommended yeah

[vocal fjord]

Thank you!

[heavy mist]

np

[deep wadi]

I'm currently at i343 on my WAR - since Ryumryaku upgrade material can be purchased now as well as O5-8 being farmable, what armor/accessories should I go for on my tank?

My current weak link is definitely my weapon at the moment, as I'm still stuck on the augmented Allagan axe.

For the record, I plan on using the gear on DRK as well, but WAR is currently my main priority

[heavy mist]

Just grab whatever you can

Highest ilevel possible

@deep wadi

You can either do eureka or byakko to get up that weapon

Then move into new msq trial for i365 wpn

Byakko and eureka are i355

If u wanna sit through the new 24man for some cheap i360 be my guest. Just annoying to get/for the item to drop

Also if you want to be strongest, its best to upgrade armor first before accessories

Heavily recommended

Are you planning on touching Savage at all?

[deep wadi]

I do, eventually.

That's for later once I am geared, though.

I'm planning on getting the Byakko Axe and GS for sure.

[heavy mist]

Obviously if u care about bis you would look into pentamelding crafted accessories

I assume u don't wanna sink the money

[deep wadi]

I don't have the money, to be accurate

[heavy mist]

As it would only last til 4.4

Ah okay

Yeah best to farm sigma normal to have all i350

[deep wadi]

Actually, there's Eureka

[heavy mist]

Grabbing mendacity pieces every week

Well eureka is locked to class

[deep wadi]

Fair point.

[heavy mist]

So it'd be annoying to gear multiple tank classes

[steady pebble]

i would dude eureka for the weapon

[heavy mist]

Yeah for sure

[steady pebble]

but the armor itself i would do sigma

[heavy mist]

But new primal does have i365 but eureka is a long term investment

[deep wadi]

The Farsha has bad substats though, doesn't it?

[heavy mist]

I mean

Just get w/e u can rn

Secondaries are secondaries

[deep wadi]

Fair point

[heavy mist]

Well all that's left is just to do it

Plus it will be easier to farm for alt classes later with Savage when they unlock the weekly loot

But that's not for some time

[steep iris]

at this point substats don't matter that much

[stable basin]

so, is this trial an indication that square intends to significantly up difficulty from here on out even for normal casual content?

let's put it this way

I have Shinryu Ex on farm. I'm no friggin slouch.

And I still die 3+ times a fight on the normal MSQ trial

(to be fair, i've only cleared it twice)

... how the hell is this fight harder than shinryu ex

[pure yoke]

It's not a sign of getting harder

[heavy mist]

no

[steady pebble]

you're...not actually trying to imply that the nm trial is harder than shinyru ex

are you

[heavy mist]

Shin Ex to Byakko

[pure yoke]

It still follows the trend

[heavy mist]

was like a wtf

too ez

[pure yoke]

Odd number trials tend to be a bit more difficult

Then even number

[stable basin]

yeah, it's probably just "fight i have on farm" vs "thing i'm completely new to"

[torn kindle]

Honestly the new trial gets super spammy at the end

which makes it feel hard if people can't dodge

[stable basin]

also the fact that it's a fight that demands really quick response time and the servers are still often a little sluggish

[torn kindle]

(for NM version)

[stable basin]

and the circles are actually pretty fast too

[heavy mist]

are they really

[stable basin]

like, apparently faster than even the similar Shiva Ex ones

And I did Shiva Ex synced in DF with a fresh 50 on a job I hadn't healed any 8 man content on previously, so ... yeah

[blazing pelican]

A few of the strats floating around require me to rescue my healer partner to ensure safety

[pure yoke]

It feels pretty generous to me timing wise

[stable basin]

Ex looks more balanced, based on the guides I'm reading

[steady pebble]

it feels no different than shiva's timings

[barren grove]

They felt easier for me but it might be because less white on white

[stable basin]

the circles on normal are pretty frenetic, like you barely even have time to dps lb3 without getting caught in the next set due to animation lock

[blazing pelican]

white on light blue
whoever designed that fight should be shot

[stable basin]

it looks like circles happen less often on ex, though

(also what's the enrage/enrage time on ex? the consolegameswiki entry has a full list of mechanics and rotation but no mention of enrage)

[blazing pelican]

you can stutter step pretty much everything in this fight, but you have very little wiggle room

[barren grove]

yeah i think that 2/3rd, 1/3rd pattern doesn't happen on normal

[heavy mist]

like 12 minutes

or something

[torn kindle]

It's a soft enrage

[blazing pelican]

there's an enrage?

[pure yoke]

Enrage is lunacy rhat one shots

[heavy mist]

yes

[pure yoke]

One at a time

[stable basin]

Ah, so like UCOB enrage?

[pure yoke]

Until everyone is dead

Yes

[torn kindle]

it doesn't one-shot, it just keeps getting damage up stacks if i recall

unless people survived to a hard enrage

[stable basin]

ah, wow style enrage then

[pure yoke]

There comes a certain point where it one shots you

Regardless of stack

[stable basin]

(in wow most bosses just get like a 900% damage buff at enrage and rotation continues as normal)

She starts spamming Lunacy at 11:48 in my enrage log but that should vary slightly because add phase

[glossy musk]

Yeah most WoW bosses don’t have an enrage ability like ours. Some do though like Tich with finger of death

Eventually he says fuck it and fingers everyone one at a time

[valid gate]

(Siren) Nadine Mireille - Today at 3:10 AM
also the fact that it's a fight that demands really quick response time and the servers are still often a little sluggish

no it doesnt

u have a shitton of time for every mechanic

[sour solstice]

meteors are a little fast

if you are taking the furthest one out

[steady pebble]

meteors aren't in normal mode, unless i'm mistaking them for something else

[sour solstice]

Oh

[valid gate]

im talking about both nm and ex

[sour solstice]

the initial tick of selemancy is also a little on the fast side

[valid gate]

if you're mid meteor role just hit sprint in advance

[sour solstice]

not super fast tho

But yeah for shit like nightfall its ez

[valid gate]

people are just freaking out because they can actually wipe to their own mistakes instead of the healers being able to babysit them through every mechanic

the worst part of this new trial is this "always face x direction" shit

like she automatically faces south and the only other time she turns is for obvious mechanics

theres no reason to turn her more

[sour solstice]

I mean

a lot of tanks turn her north

[valid gate]

in a fight where melee already have to deal with cuck constantly

adding more cuck by randomly turning her every time she moves

is aids

[sour solstice]

is there a reason to face here away from the pary in phase 1?

ex

I didnt see one

but people always do it anyway

nvm melee positionals

[valid gate]

"but i need to know what direction shes going to face for bright/dark!!!"

shes facing the fuckin direction that she was facing after the last mechanic

"her model is small so it's hard to see where she's facing"

then turn off fuckin bfx.

[sour solstice]

people actually say that

?

Its not like she has a giant ass moon on her back

[valid gate]

yes

[sour solstice]

Like

how the fuck

lmao

[valid gate]

because people in this game

are allergic to looking anywhere but their hotbars

[lunar carbon]

game is too hard

no bulli

[brave maple]

I mean the first time I got to that phase blind I was confused

but after that...

[true lark]

The worst part of this trial is everyone spamming Reddit with shitty diagrams

[barren grove]

Progging blind has been easier than doing it later with all those stupid john madden graphs, t9 and 11 did enough damage

saw someone tried making several dozen graphs of emptiness outcomes on o4s, i was like wut

[dull radish]

heh, yeah I remember that. Also knew the guy that made it, too

[valid gate]

k

[sour solstice]

thats not that bad

oh

wait

nvm LOL

[glossy musk]

Holy shit lol

How do DPS even do that low

[sour solstice]

I got him beat

just now actually

still kinda tired so my WAR was awful

but

[glossy musk]

That DRG

Must be like does anyone else’s back hurt

[sour solstice]

poor guy

the ast btw

50% overhealing

[sour solstice]

and people still died to demonic howl

[boreal edge]

there is always that fucker who kills me when im about to get good parse in godka

[lime otter]

@glossy musk They must've had like item level 340 gear or just terrible. Ilvl 365 weap + 360 average item level should net you around 5k DPS for your DPS class easily on that fight.