endgame-lounge

[paper torrent]

it's okay Kael

we are all trash on this blessed day

except you know the people who can actually clear savage and learn quickly

the whole tier of savage*

[sour solstice]

50 minutes in

7 is still alive

[steady pebble]

I guess he doesn't have an enrage timer

or its insanely generous

[sour solstice]

the DPS in our group

are so

[woeful prawn]

°24 mans rarely have enrage

dun scaith tho

[sour solstice]

oh boy

here we go again

[steady pebble]

i have no idea what im suppose to

[sour solstice]

this final boss

70 minutes in

lets fuckin go

[sour solstice]

jesus tapdancing christ

[steady pebble]

im taking anap

first day clears are so fucking stressful for me lol

[sour solstice]

that was next level

left and right side broke

[steady pebble]

also this is the main reason i leveled my crafters xD

[flint shore]

what ilvl are the new ex weps?

[dull radish]

365

[flint shore]

ty

[sour solstice]

me_irl

[woeful prawn]

i made that mistake in dun scaith and ever since ive carried multiples of 99 in my backpack

[sour solstice]

then id have to level crafter

which is mega oof

[viscid sky]

is there a guide for the 4.3 ex trial anywhere?

too soon?

[sour solstice]

theres a written one

[viscid sky]

yes!

[sour solstice]

scroll up for a bit

[viscid sky]

roger roger

ty

[sour solstice]

I woudlve grabbed it for you

but I was mid sigma

[unreal flax]

So, I was thinking about something. Deltascape was FFV. Sigmascape is FFVI. It only makes sense for the last tier to be FFVII, but at the same time, I really don't mind it being literally any other FF game at this point. What other big entries do we have left? IV, VII, VIII, IX, X?

[shadow pollen]

Common consensus is FFVII

but all the others are still a target IIRC

XII is the obvious no-go, IX had Alexander

[unreal flax]

A lot of them have had Alexander, though. Here's a thought, though: Was Shadows of Mhach based on anything or was it completely original?

[solemn slate]

why cant people do mechanics simple as

running to ur spot and setting ur marker

[heavy mist]

cause game too hard

dunno waht u expected

[blazing flicker]

For everyone who want to begin the New tribal thing for crafter / gatherer , the FIRST quest , if you havent done any side quest in Yanxia , it begins with the side quest named Perchance to Hanami and the NPC is Ochimi at Namai aetheryte ❤

After that you will unlock a blue quest near the last one you turn in , you to all the quest until Amber alert , after the quest Amber alert is done , you need to do the Courage the Cowardly Lupin In yanxia near the Namai Aetheryte (it's a blue quest too)

[high ether]

the lupin and namazu quest lines in Yanxia converge

[sour solstice]

How is Swallow's?

[elder dawn]

cool dungeon

I love the final boss

he was my childhood

[sour solstice]

looking forward to it then

[shadow pollen]

Good dungeon

Good atmosphere

Good glams

[elder dawn]

finally, some good fucking content

only took 3 patches

[shadow pollen]

11/10 won’t complain until I get it 5 times in a row in roulette

[azure hill]

At least unlike Skalla, the bosses are fun and trash dies in a timely fashion

[shadow pollen]

Good environments too

Makes me wanna gpose in them tbh

Especially trial

[azure hill]

The mechanics made the second wave of trash pulls interesting

[shadow pollen]

The wave?

Or just the parts past the first boss

[azure hill]

Yeah, that was an accidental pun

It's fun to see trash with environmental mechanics

[shadow pollen]

amen to that

And the last boss having less marker stuff

[azure hill]

Yeah, I'm still really confused about it

But it was a lot of fun

[shadow pollen]

once you get the cues down it’s fun

Lots of optimization opportunities for mnk

[azure hill]

Seems like it will take some learning to tank it smoothly too

Overall a great boss

If anything, my only complaint is that stuff could hit a bit harder

[shadow pollen]

Eh it’s a dungeon

[elder dawn]

I suspect you can let the bar fill at the final boss and he still wouldn't be able to wipe the party

[azure hill]

Could wall to wall in 350 gear and still sit comfortably at high health

[marsh ridge]

Is the yellow scrip crafter gear a trap?

[woeful prawn]

yes

mainhand offhand is ok tho

[sterile geyser]

btw, is act ded for everyone else too or is it just me?

[heavy mist]

yes

the guy is updating it

He says should be done by tomorrow

[sour solstice]

cant wait

to see the DPS of my average pug

[sterile geyser]

cool

[sour solstice]

In lighthouse

[sterile geyser]

guess im stuck with SSS till then

[lunar carbon]

ok

the new 24-man

is absurdly fun

I had a blast

[sour solstice]

yes

[blazing pelican]

Felt like we did pretty well in Lighthouse except for the 3rd and 4th bosses where I was basically chainrezzing

[lunar carbon]

I also got the caster outfit

[sour solstice]

I think I had 50 raise casts

[blazing pelican]

10/10 would waste time in there weekly

[sour solstice]

easily

[lunar carbon]

makes my roegadyn swole

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208333159052345345/448689785704284190/unknown.png

fancy boi

[blazing pelican]

Can't wait to open ACT when it works again and find out the last boss actually has 50 mil HP cause God did it feel like it

[sour solstice]

the last boss was so fuckin tanky

[blazing pelican]

Cause he has the Diabolos thing too

Except it's half the fucking fight

[lunar carbon]

that was spoiling of my part, right?

:[

[blazing pelican]

All the bosses are a lot of fun

[lunar carbon]

I like the math mechanic

my static did it blind

[blazing pelican]

Think I might actually want Rescue for the first and second bosses tho

[lunar carbon]

failed on the first pull but we figured out right after

[blazing pelican]

Especially the first

We wiped the first pull cause that spin thing he does killed pretty much everyone the first time he did it

[lunar carbon]

'I expected you to be taller'

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399751481018023936/448636293908267011/unknown.png

right

[stray beacon]

https://archive.org/details/msdos_Number_Munchers_1990

This may be helpful

[stable basin]

what the actual

it's day fucking one and people are already closing the door on EX while people still can't even clear normal due to lag spikes

really?

SMH

[steep iris]

closing the door?

[ashen gull]

Closing the door = "Fuck you, dont join us"

[steep iris]

how so tho 🤔

[ashen gull]

the "Closed the door" on everyone else wanting to run ex

and not running it with others

[steep iris]

there's a bunch of pfs up that he can join

[ashen gull]

Wait'

wait

wait

i read it wrong

Nadine is saying "Closing the door" as in groups arleady beat EX

and are done with the content already

while others cant even run normal yet

[heavy mist]

i mean

if u played like right after maint was over

it was pretty free from lag

[steep iris]

that's fine tho

a ton of people wants to clear as fast as possible

[ashen gull]

Thats why i havent played yet since the patch

Once the lag is gone/fixed i will play

[heavy mist]

well its gone later in the day

like now

[ashen gull]

Eh, then i have to put down xenoblade

and thats effort changing my monitor from the switch back to my pc

[steep iris]

get 2 monitors

[ashen gull]

(i have 2)

[steep iris]

get 3

:P

[ashen gull]

I wish

but too much heat in my tiny room for 3

i tried playing around with 3 but it got too hot

[stable basin]

Yeah, that's the thing

I slept till 5AM because I didn't know that it would end early

Now I'm wondering if I got fucked hard because I missed out on those two hours

[heavy mist]

u didnt

[steep iris]

err no?

[heavy mist]

u literally got til 4.4 to do everything

[steep iris]

a ton of people are still trying to clear it lol

[stable basin]

I didn't get around to Fluminis before work, and when I got off it was lag af and the people I brought with me couldn't get it done

[steep iris]

even before 4.3 there were byakko ex learning parties up

[stable basin]

because half of us got 5s lag spikes

[ashen gull]

which is like 3-6 months

[stable basin]

I wanted to learn the damn thing on SCH

[steep iris]

i don't see what's your problem

[stable basin]

but I'm going ot have to settle for DPS just because with the lag, it's too risky for me to be a healer

[ashen gull]

Meh

[steep iris]

there's no lag now on primal at least

[ashen gull]

just be a WHM or AST like me and spam regens

[stable basin]

er

we're talking like

aetherflow doesn't appear till five, ten seconds later lag spikes

[heavy mist]

yes its just a lot of people

[steep iris]

is it just aether?

[heavy mist]

Aether is fine now

[steep iris]

had no problem during my weekly savage on primal

[heavy mist]

couldve been aether

[stable basin]

but yeah. we're what 20 hours in and people are already "if you haven't cleared EX, we no longer want you" on a significantly large percentage of the PFs

which is just like WTF

unless most of those are raiders trying to get 365's for their O7S attempts, maybe

[vital cypress]

that'd be pretty pathetic on two different levels

[stable basin]

like, why are they putting up the duty complete wall this. fucking. soon.

it's day bloody one

seriously people.

not everyone takes PTO for patch releaess.

[vital cypress]

i thought this was a farm party

moo

[stable basin]

or is that going to become a requirement before long?

i'd better get used to going out of my way to taking a vacation day on patch days or get left in dust?

[zinc vortex]

are you mad that you can't join farm parties?

jesus there are a gorillion parties you can join

[stable basin]

I'm mad that people are already reaching for the safe farm party on day one

[zinc vortex]

let the people who want to farm or the people who only want people with last phase experience have their parties

[stable basin]

instead of making more learning and clear parties for the rest of the community

[heavy mist]

im confused

oh

[zinc vortex]

LOL

[heavy mist]

like if i cleared

[vital cypress]

this seems kind of high strung

[heavy mist]

im gonna want people who cleared

[zinc vortex]

^

not rocket science

get good or make your own parties

[heavy mist]

im not gonna sit with people who havent learned it yet

[vital cypress]

and i usually hate ORANGE PARSE ONLY BADS WILL BE KICKED raider stuff

[stable basin]

so basically, you're willing to say screw you to people who didn't get lucky with lag on normal

[zinc vortex]

yes

[heavy mist]

yes

[stable basin]

why?

[zinc vortex]

that's not my problem i'm sorry?

[stable basin]

that's kind of elitist and bad.

[zinc vortex]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[heavy mist]

cause its luck of the draw

i deal with it in savage all the time

[zinc vortex]

i'm not even gonna go here

stop whining, deal with it, please

for your own sanity and for the ones around you

[heavy mist]

idm helping people with clears, but im not gonna make parties specifically for that reason

unless a friend/fc mate needs it

[pure yoke]

the alternative is for them to not even bother going on pf

and just pm'ing friends ingame

or on discord

[zinc vortex]

what rider said

i don't mind helping people out

[heavy mist]

the true alternative, just screwing over PF

lol

[zinc vortex]

but i'm not gonna go out of my way to specifically make learning/clear parties because some people got lag spikes on day 1

[pure yoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/64452915967819776/448627528320417816/ffxiv_05222018_192519.png?width=968&height=545

the god comp for 24 man raid

[heavy mist]

wtf is that BLM

5 SAMS or gtfo

[vital cypress]

is SAM meta game now

[pure yoke]

we have

12 samurais

3 black mages

[heavy mist]

NOT ENOUGH

[ashen gull]

WHen is weebism not metagame?

[stable basin]

LOL I had 5 MCH in my 24 man alliance once

[zinc vortex]

god

i already want to turn the sound effects off

[pure yoke]

I pretty much was on permament defiance

because I knew no one has diversion

[zinc vortex]

SHASHASHASHASHASWINGSWINGSWINGSWING

[pure yoke]

on their hotbar

[stable basin]

unless that's part of the reason for the duty completes right there

[heavy mist]

enmity tracker is so useful in 24man

SO useful

[stable basin]

because so many people are getting lag spikes that literally make them useless even if they're UCOB-hardened, day one A8S savage diehards

so restrict it to the people known to have both skills and the connection

[vital cypress]

and they'll clear within a couple of days?

and go along on their way?

[stable basin]

@heavy mist I can only track my alliance's enmity.

Why did SE do that?

[zinc vortex]

yeah it's a bit stupid

[sterile geyser]

whats this about lag?

the games been perfect all day since 5 am for me

[heavy mist]

yeah its dumb

[sterile geyser]

🤔

[zinc vortex]

had our MT yesterday in the 24-man lose threat to another alliance's DPS quite often

and he basically has no way of knowing until it's already too late

[heavy mist]

yeah

thats why i bring it

[stable basin]

I hate that. There's no in-game to tell how close any person is to your enmity.

[heavy mist]

just in case there are idiots (cause there always is)

literally relegated to spamming enmity combo

[stable basin]

with 24 people, thjere's bound to be one.

@sterile geyser we've had entire groups go to Vote Abandon because lag

[sterile geyser]

weird

wonder if its a specific service provider

also hi Nadine I saw you ingame the other day but i forgot to wave / poke

:<

[stable basin]

aww 😄

[zinc vortex]

so try again today

it's only day 2

[stable basin]

I'm just floored at the rapidity that the farm parties are taking over EX already

20 hours in

wonder what the proportion will be by Friday when I have actual time to really put into EX

[heavy mist]

its just like byakko

[vital cypress]

probably about the same

[heavy mist]

People will always need clears

people will always be farming

[pure yoke]

maybe you have to consider

[zinc vortex]

taking over

WHAT

[vital cypress]

i mean PF quality is probably going to drop off but you're hardly DOOMED FOREVER

[pure yoke]

learning parties fill alot faster

[zinc vortex]

90% of parties are learning parties

[pure yoke]

so alot of farming parties kinda lingers in pf

[vital cypress]

plus having guides will help

worst-case scenario, you can join me and best elf tomorrow :p

[pure yoke]

Set up my own PF

only good races allowed

[vital cypress]

elezen/roegadyn/lalafell party

sounds good

[pure yoke]

ban highlanders, elezens, and roegadyns

ban male lalas unless they are walking memelords

[zinc vortex]

[stable basin]

Yeah I've been told that's part of the reason why we get so many PFs we hate

Groups that people like to be in fill fast, so groups people hate to be in have a tendency to more often actually be available for joining

[dull radish]

It's nothing to do with people, most cases

[normal mesa]

yeah

[dull radish]

But dang, that's pretty entitled to think that people should only be running learning/clear parties, not farm parties

[normal mesa]

There is no harm in just

making

your own

[steady pebble]

no, mizi that's too hard

[dull radish]

It's like walking into a screening of a movie at a movie theatre late and expecting people to restart the movie for you

[steady pebble]

people should cater to me and my wishes!

/s

[normal mesa]

You need to stop trying to quantify and math out the proper proportions of PFs up to conclude if the content is dead

[dull radish]

You just go see another screening

[normal mesa]

You need to stop making the assumption that it can be broken down into statistics like that.

Make a blind learning party if you want a blind learning party. I'm aware that this mindset comes from severe anxiety around harder party-based content, Nadine, but you cannot "math this out"

[zinc vortex]

thank you

[boreal edge]

4.3 ex is best ex in SB

easy but fun fight

there that high IQ mechanic that i have 50/50 survival chance if i got targetted by certain thing

still dunno how to bump it 100%

[hybrid rapids]

That’s subjective

I think shinryu is fun

The climbing tail mechanic etc

She’s kinda brain dead once you know the fight but required little attention

To those bubbles words

[boreal edge]

@hybrid rapids spoiler u giving gender idea

[torn kindle]

[hybrid rapids]

Do you know ? Twintania is a she too

[boreal edge]

how do you know she a she?

you saw her boobs?

[hybrid rapids]

Lore wise

[stable basin]

Gender-neutral pronouns... the real endgame

[lucid karma]

Everyone will be just an entity of aether eventually

Ultimate equality

[blazing pelican]

I killed the ex mode

Last phase can be kinda hectic but if you have good group dps it's short

[dull radish]

Apparently with good DPS there's a few things you can skip, and it's over pretty quick at the end yeah

Haven't gotten around to unlocking it yet myself, though

[blazing pelican]

You're going to hate the transitions

The first transition makes you lose a Foul

[dull radish]

Yeah I've heard, just barely too long

[blazing pelican]

but yeah it's not hard at all

can just be kinda fast and unforgiving

[dull radish]

I opted to just unlock and run 24-man last night instead haha, maybe get around to the EX trial tomorrow or Friday or so

[azure hill]

Day one alliance raids isn't something to miss out on

[dull radish]

yeah haha

could have gone without weird lag on spell sound effects, as well as going without the huge lag spikes everyone was getting on the final boss

but it was overall an enjoyable experience

[azure hill]

That final boss was impressive

[dull radish]

mmhmm

[azure hill]

Definitely feels like they dialed it up on the number of mechanics and intensity

[dull radish]

the math boss was the only one I found a bit annoying. Not for the actual math of course, it was hilarious to see so many red X above people's heads. But for that stupid spinning move and the constant downtimes

[azure hill]

Ouch, yeah

I can imagine that one being really bad for BLM

[dull radish]

yeah, it's the only real annoying fight in there

the rest were fine enough, though the water spouts on the first boss were jerks sometimes, and people ignoring mechanics made me die a bit more than I should have

[azure hill]

I went as BRD, so didn't have issues, but the DRG I was on voice chat with was pretty upset 😄

[sour solstice]

I loved dying on the final boss because there werent enough people alive to stack up with me

[dull radish]

that kept happening to me on robot boss I think? Though it wasn't dead people, just folks ignoring stack marker or running out of it early, so I'd just get one-shot trying to do the mechanic with folks

[sour solstice]

yep

fun times

it kills you with 3 people

[azure hill]

I accepted a revive into a time chain

Don't do that

Got frozen mid-animation and had three AoEs drop on me

[steady pebble]

im still not entirely certain about time chains

if you get tethered, you just stand as far away as possible, right?

[sour solstice]

Someone explained it to me yesterday

[azure hill]

Yeah

[sour solstice]

stack with the tether

is what I was told

[azure hill]

You take them away from the party, that's it

[steady pebble]

ok

[dull radish]

yeah

[azure hill]

There's pretty massive trolling potential there

You could in theory rake it across all three alliances

[dull radish]

those slows

are so bad hah

[wet stag]

aw yeee

first drop bb

[sour solstice]

how to get yourself votekicked in one single move

nice

[steady pebble]

gratz, faye

[wet stag]

dude

its so sick

[dull radish]

good ole sks ten

[boreal edge]

spoiler

[sour solstice]

rip

[boreal edge]

i guess?

[sour solstice]

I mean

[wet stag]

yeah its not even a week yet id count it as one

[sour solstice]

this is endgame discussion

[wet stag]

my spoiler rules are p strict for myself

i just forgot for a sec :p

[sour solstice]

just blackline the name

[wet stag]

gonna get a glamour prism sec

[boreal edge]

idk why they didnt openly tell us the boss this time

unlike nidhogg

[sour solstice]

I mean

Nidhogg was pretty obvious

This one wasnt as obvious

[steady pebble]

i think most figured he'd do a stunt like this

but to pull what he did

not quite as sure about that

[wet stag]

man ive said this a few times but 4.3 is actually 9.5/10

[azure hill]

I'm sure some people on Reddit predicted it when 4.2 came out, but I didn't see that particular twist coming at all

[boreal edge]

jp ppl predicted the primal

[azure hill]

Some crazies on /r/westworld predicted every major twist in the show by like the second episode

[boreal edge]

few days be4 patch

[steady pebble]

I mean most of us were thinking it was a possibility

of it being that particular primal

its just HOW

the primal came to be

[wet stag]

i tend not to think too much about the storyline tbh

i just enjoy it

[steady pebble]

pretty much the same faye

[wet stag]

that way i can still be surprised by completely obvious things

[sour solstice]

I mean

[steady pebble]

i usually just enjoy the ride

[sour solstice]

Its pretty obvious for the JPs

since its their culture

[wet stag]

i mean yeah

[boreal edge]

i just didnt expect the boss will look like it is now

[wet stag]

let's not pretend this isnt an expansion for the weeaboos

[sour solstice]

like I said before

[shadow pollen]

back to ala mihgo though

Finally the MNK time has come

[sour solstice]

this whole expac feels like someone wrote 50% of Ala mihgo

[shadow pollen]

🔫

[wet stag]

tbh i wasnt expecting the primal to be this good

[azure hill]

I'm going to miss the Othard setting

[sour solstice]

then someone bursted into their office

[azure hill]

It's so much more visually interesting than Ala Migho

[sour solstice]

and shouted JP ONRY

[boreal edge]

so far best EX in SB

[azure hill]

Ala Migho is just dusty desert and scruffy nomadic clothing

[wet stag]

cryovat

[sour solstice]

so they had to write doma

[boreal edge]

to me

[wet stag]

ur a weeb

[steady pebble]

i'm just glad they aren't sticking with a medieval european setting

[azure hill]

I am, but Othard has more than two colours

[steady pebble]

idc where we go

or what kind of setting or style we get

[wet stag]

uh yeah id say so too tbh

[steady pebble]

i just like the variety

[wet stag]

but i havent done shin ex yet

i just hope seiryu and suzaku arent shit

[sour solstice]

I liked heavensward's setting

[steady pebble]

like the most annoying comments to me are the people who get pissy over asian settings in a fantasy game

[shadow pollen]

Yeah the variety really works better

[boreal edge]

shin is 9 mins of boredom and 3 mins of fun

[sour solstice]

and would've loved more of it

[wet stag]

fuckin right

[boreal edge]

[steady pebble]

like 'hello? asian cultures have fantasy too. fucknuts'

[shadow pollen]

those people are the worst

“how dare there be a weeb expansion, ugh where’s my FANTASY”

[sour solstice]

I think some african culture would be cool

[shadow pollen]

and then the camera pans over like in The Office

[azure hill]

If you complain about Asian themed content in a Japanese game, that's pretty unreasonable from the get-go

[boreal edge]

the last phase is best part in shin sadly it doesnt last long

[steady pebble]

its unreasonable, period imo

fantasy is not specifically medieval european

[steep iris]

shiro is for weebs

sue me

[azure hill]

If anything, Tolkien style fantasy settings are way overdone by now

[wet stag]

yeah im glad theyre exploring asian mythology

[shadow pollen]

For all the stuff in 4.3 I thought they forgot about PTSD man in Limsa

[sour solstice]

On the one hand you are right cryo

[shadow pollen]

I’m glad they didn’t forget

[steady pebble]

poor drest :c

[wet stag]

like im saying this as a chinese dude who loves chinese mythology but knows jack shit about it

[sour solstice]

but the other hand because the Tolkien settings are so overdone its easy to think of fantasy as just that type

so I dont blame people for that

[steady pebble]

I do

its being simple minded

if that's all you think fantasy is

[sour solstice]

Yeah

glares at my name

You're expecting people that cant add to not be simple minded

[azure hill]

The new dungeon is pretty much a love letter to the Chinese 😄

[steady pebble]

i fucking love the dungeon's music

its so amazing

[sour solstice]

im just glad they dont go full MoP on us and just kinda pull it outta their ass

Like I love that expac

but

[wet stag]

tbh i thought the new dungeon was alright

bosses were eh

[brave maple]

I'm angry

at the aiming gear design

[wet stag]

fractal is better 👀

[steady pebble]

bosses im not necessarily a fan of

but the zone itself and the music

is so good, imo

like the water part?

holy shit, man

[brave maple]

we be covershooter now 😃

[azure hill]

The water part was neat 😄

[sour solstice]

Are raba tokens still weekly?

[steady pebble]

no

[brave maple]

no

[wet stag]

the water part was cool ye

[steady pebble]

you can farm raba coins to your hearts content

[wet stag]

but why would you

[azure hill]

I fear one day in a late night expert roulette, I'll find out what happens if the lake reaches the edge of the arena

[steady pebble]

so you can never step in there again

[brave maple]

what is that mechanic

[steady pebble]

if you need upgrade tokens because you're a dirty casual

[brave maple]

is it just a DPS check?

[azure hill]

It's like the crack from Susano Ex

[steady pebble]

basically

[azure hill]

Except that it grows

[steady pebble]

you need to kill him before the lake drowns you

[wet stag]

you know

[sour solstice]

@wet stag I need 1 to upgrade a wep and 1 to combine with my new 24man token

[wet stag]

i thought itd be used for more mechanics

like bardam's

[azure hill]

Yeah

[wet stag]

yeah but

[brave maple]

You can't upgrade wep from 24man?

[wet stag]

raba

[azure hill]

I expected a boss like Bardam's when walking into the arena

[steady pebble]

you can upgrade lost allagann

[azure hill]

Pretty sure that's what they were aiming for

[wet stag]

i was kinda disappointed lol

[steady pebble]

and we'll get the mendacity tomestone upgrade in a later patch

[brave maple]

ah they was talking LA okay

[azure hill]

Feels lke the best way to catch up on gear now is augment the crafted stuff

[wet stag]

or

eureka

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure hill]

It's 500 creation to convert a 350 chestpiece to 360

Too bad you can't overmeld them anymore though

But that would be unreasonable

[sour solstice]

Oh

I could maybe buy a craft weapon then

and aug that

[azure hill]

There's a "back door"

Since you don't convert the item

You convert the item to currency and use that + tokens to buy an augmented one

So in theory you could craft a lot of NQ rings or whatever is cheap

Then use those to buy a full augmented HQ left side

[sour solstice]

who do you turn that into

[azure hill]

It's a girl in Reach

Over in the crafter ghetto

[sour solstice]

by the retainer bell?

[azure hill]

Yeah

[steady pebble]

crafter ghetto

RUDE!

[sour solstice]

the rain is 500 each?

[wet stag]

100 each

[sour solstice]

oh good

I didnt want to farm 3500 reds

[sour solstice]

@azure hill other people beat me to that

cheapest wep was 700k when it was 300 before

[azure hill]

Haha

Yeah, I think you pretty much have to make your own

[stable basin]

the sad thing is that it kinda makes the 360 crafted upgrades rather meh for all but the most casual players

because the only thing that was BiS for serious players that's crafted was tank accessories, and literally only because you could overmeld them

so if you upgrade those, you might as well just get the Diamond

(Maybe even the Ryumyaku, I'm not sure offhand how well each is statted for each job)

[sour solstice]

360 weapon

because fuck eureka

+the fact that yellow tomes are limited

like none of it is BiS

but most players cant clear savage

[stable basin]

tbh, it's probably not really intended for most players to clear savage anyway

even on JP only about a quarter do?

it's like saying everyone in WoW needs to clear mythic each tier

[sour solstice]

Right

[stable basin]

although the savage mechanics creep rate is real this xpac

[sour solstice]

Which is why 360 crafted upgrades rather meh for all but the most casual players is kinda bad

[stable basin]

o2s felt easier than the 4.3 normal trial

[sour solstice]

I dont agree with that statement at all

[unreal flax]

WAR has some really nice raid/tome rightside pieces.

[sour solstice]

Uh

[unreal flax]

This time around, anyway.

[sour solstice]

WAR has only 1

Diamond wrist

[stable basin]

@sour solstice well, pentameld tank accs are the superior choice for anyone who can afford it afaik, whether the rest of your kit is bis or not

[sour solstice]

and thats only if you are a Xaela or Hylander

[unreal flax]

?

[sour solstice]

Im not joking

the WAR BiS

[stable basin]

although I got by just fine with the 340 blue accs last tier as tank

[sour solstice]

depends on your race

[stable basin]

lemme guess, WAR's math involves things so needle close to a breakpoint that 1 or 2 extra stat points actually counts?

[sour solstice]

Basically yeah

Diamond wrist is 1 more dps over crafted penta on certain races

but you know

Waow 1 dps

[stable basin]

Yeah, that's when I start to genuinely think people are a little too OCD about parses.

When there's like a 5 DPS difference between 95% and 100% (which there has been on some jobs ...)

[unreal flax]

This is what I'm referring to. Increased Str, Maxed crit vs 0 crit, same SkS, more Vit. I can't see any reason why a WAR wouldn't use the augmented tome earring

[dull radish]

there's not 5 dps between 95th and 100th percentile

not by a shot

[sour solstice]

Crafted penta is still better

[dull radish]

not ever

[sour solstice]

lemme grab the WAR BiS

[scenic patrol]

There are 3 BiS builds

For WAR

[unreal flax]

I don't want to just look at the list of parts. I'm trying to figure out why people feel it's better.

[scenic patrol]

OTP cancer as first place

[sour solstice]

wow 4dps omg

[scenic patrol]

Diamond bracelet BiS as second choice

And American

[woeful prawn]

you gain 75 substats and lose 1 strength

[scenic patrol]

There's also the 4.43 build

[woeful prawn]

using crafted over raid/tone

[scenic patrol]

That 1 STR matters very little if it does not increase you by a tier

It's a dead stat usually

[woeful prawn]

str tiers

what the fuck

[unreal flax]

I've never heard of main stat breakpoints.

[scenic patrol]

Everything has a tier

Except WD

[sour solstice]

[steep iris]

There's a pretty big difference between 95% and 100% for war on o5s

a d d p a d

[unreal flax]

There must be some really, really small gaps between breakpoints, because otherwise, "max ilevel is your best bet" wouldn't carry much weight at all, when you're getting single digit increases in main stat between gear pieces.

[scenic patrol]

!fflogs O5S war

[storm frost]

FFLogs Rankings for Phantom Train (Savage)

1. Ray Liner of Shinryu on Summoner [9383.71 DPS]
2. Kurone San of Chocobo on Black Mage [9018.88 DPS]
3. Holis Cube of Masamune on Black Mage [8809.86 DPS]
4. Petite Poutine of Exodus on Summoner [8684.01 DPS]
5. Laszlo Spoony of Kujata on Summoner [8556.18 DPS]

[scenic patrol]

Ech

[unreal flax]

...

[sour solstice]

that 800 dps tho

[woeful prawn]

out with that bullshit

[unreal flax]

9400dps.

[steep iris]

For reference

raffter did a pad run as war

[stable basin]

omg how

[steep iris]

7k dps

[stable basin]

the only time i've seen >9000 before was on some Lakshmi parse that had deliberately maxed echo

[sour solstice]

Some serious padding

and being a god at SMN

er

[sullen sable]

Substat breakpoints https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6wP1rq0b-3Oh45Oo1slFQGyKUqrkfGYk5TjNandLqE/htmlview

I believe this is still accurate

[sour solstice]

Doesnt have STR/INT/MIND/DEX

so doesnt help Johni's point

[sullen sable]

[stable basin]

ugh is aether still laggy?

it usually doesn't take me this long to do a damn expert delivery

[sour solstice]

Primal is fine

[shadow pollen]

I had a primal DC earlier

[tiny kraken]

Anyone know where you could get the Faded copy of Under the moonlight orchestrion roll?

[sour solstice]

prolly EX trial

[steady pebble]

yeah

its required for both nightbloom and wayward daughter, and both of those are music from the trial

[tiny kraken]

Ahh okies. yeah I want the Wayward Daughter orchestrion roll it's really good x3

[sour solstice]

Enjoy The Ballad of Pain™

[scenic patrol]

Add phase in EX is so pointless

First phase doesn't even have tank busters

So I just pop Vengeance to increase my damage

[paper torrent]

Did someone say IR vengence 👀

[scenic patrol]

I'll probably try to clear the new EX tomorrow

Black/white phase is fun though

But it happens after 2 phases

Hope that ACT is fixed tomorrow

[wet stag]

tbh

i dont mind add phase in ex so much

music is sick

i just chill

[scenic patrol]

I just wanted to prog the moon phase

But it's like 2 mins to get there every time

[wet stag]

I got the greatsword lol

4 mins

The greatsword looks amazing

Swapped to it from kidomaru

[sour solstice]

this guy

wants fucking markers

on normal

[scenic patrol]

Lol

[sour solstice]

its not rocket science

[steady pebble]

what

[wet stag]

Lmao

[scenic patrol]

I winged it blind

Took like 1 wipe cause some people didn't understand moon phase

[sour solstice]

wipe number 3 rn

[scenic patrol]

Which is the most instinctive thing ever

[wet stag]

Moon phase isn't very intuitive thh

Tbh

You actually need to know what to do

[scenic patrol]

If you played other trials

It is

[wet stag]

I mean

5 stacks and you die?

[scenic patrol]

Get too many stacks, swap

[wet stag]

Not really

[scenic patrol]

Just swap constantly

[wet stag]

I guess you could swap every stack that's fair

Yeah

[scenic patrol]

Also the moon above your head

[wet stag]

I didn't even see it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic patrol]

Almost fills up at 4

So it's very apparent

[wet stag]

Johni pro raider

[scenic patrol]

I just pay attention to new shit

[wet stag]

I dont ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I was too busy jamming to the tunes

[scenic patrol]

I am too busy worshipping Persona 5 OST currently

[wet stag]

Tbh I was too busy guessing the music to pay attention to the trial

Like

Which note came next and when

That's some grade a autism right there

[scenic patrol]

Notes?

[wet stag]

Musical notes

In the music

[scenic patrol]

Get away from me with that gay shit, only beat matters!

[wet stag]

Lol

Rhythm and pitch

[scenic patrol]

Drummer BTW

[wet stag]

That's what I was guessing

I play rhythm games

I know the feel

Anyway

🛏

[scenic patrol]

See ya

[wet stag]

[scenic patrol]

I only started my shift now

Awake for 2 hours

[sullen sable]

Go sleep

[shadow pollen]

The only reason I could do moon phase off the bat was because there was The Sisters in WoW

[sour solstice]

make that 4 wipes

[scenic patrol]

[sour solstice]

save me from this meme hell

wipe again

[scenic patrol]

DF or PF?

[sour solstice]

DF

[scenic patrol]

I did it first day on PF

[sour solstice]

3 failed vote abandons

Oh ive already done it

I got it off DR: Trials

and vote abandon passed this time

thank fucking god

[daring berry]

did it with FC on day 1

took like at least 10 wipes before we barely made it

[sour solstice]

...

How

[daring berry]

this is the story one right?

[sour solstice]

yes

[daring berry]

it isnt that terrible

which part is the one that is wiping you guys?

[sour solstice]

people keep dying to FUCKING FANS

you know

[daring berry]

oh that one

[sour solstice]

the mechanic that comes out so slow half the arena is safe

[daring berry]

lol

just go to the last one

[sour solstice]

Like I said

[daring berry]

and move to her when she casts the center one

[sour solstice]

it aint my clear

I just got it off the roulette

[daring berry]

oh lol

[sour solstice]

I was last person alive for every wipe

MT ofc

[daring berry]

well, we had this particular DRG who kept dying

so on our barely clear we stopped raising her.

[paper torrent]

That fight is hilarious

First time around people just wiped to fans

[sour solstice]

Our WHM just uh

stood behind me

for every buster

[paper torrent]

Healers shouldn't be standing in front or behind tanks anyway

They should be diagonal

[sour solstice]

or you know

with the rest of the fucking party

[paper torrent]

Also that

[sour solstice]

parked on her ass

[scenic patrol]

Like there aren't enough cleaving busters in this game

[paper torrent]

Also how the fuck do you not notice that cleave

[sour solstice]

every buster should cleave

tbh

[scenic patrol]

I am usually more surprised when a buster doesn't Cleave

[paper torrent]

It's fucking UGLY

[daring berry]

lol

i remember getting hit by Zeno's tank buster and was like "Wait, this thing cleaves?" and promptly died

[scenic patrol]

I always get hit by busters

[paper torrent]

Remorse and I r bbfs

PLD privilege

[woeful prawn]

zenos buster is dodgable as tank

took me a loooooooooooong time to know that

[scenic patrol]

[sour solstice]

wait what

[woeful prawn]

its a 4 hit cone. it doesnt track the tank

[sour solstice]

oh

neat

[woeful prawn]

you can even dodge the first hit if you go by rotation / his audio queues

[sour solstice]

Not like it hurts that hard anyway

but neat nonetheless

[scenic patrol]

Let's see, it's either I lose a GCD or the Healer uses a heal

[paper torrent]

Ala Mhigio speed farming endgame

[scenic patrol]

Tough one right here

[woeful prawn]

i didnt know doma castle final boss chainsaw was dodgable

[paper torrent]

LMAO

[steady pebble]

ye

I've seen a few tanks do it

[sour solstice]

The real question is

[woeful prawn]

johni

whats a cone

[sour solstice]

how many people know that fucking Ravana's is dodgable

the answer is 0 in DF

[paper torrent]

How many people know how directional parry works

[sour solstice]

0

[paper torrent]

Exactly

Harder than savage tbh

[sour solstice]

How many directional parries and dodgable TBs does savage have?

0?

Thats what I thought

Therefore, easy content

[paper torrent]

[viscid sky]

anybody got the new doggie?

[scenic patrol]

[sour solstice]

dont tell the police about UWU

[steel magnet]

hi where is the sidequest after completing the msq

[sour solstice]

for the dungeon?

Tamamizu

but you need to have killed Byakko

[steel magnet]

oh not dungeon this one

[steady pebble]

its in rhaglr's iirc

[fresh geyser]

Anyone know about how long the 24 man raid takes?

[brave maple]

Time limit is 2 hours isn't it?

[shadow pollen]

Correct

[brave maple]

Assume the worst one week one

I also haven't done it yet

[fresh geyser]

Oh, alrighty. Thank you. :)

[stable basin]

@fresh geyser Depends on how well the people you run with can math.

[paper torrent]

It took me about 1 hour and 20 minutes

I think my group was about average

[light wagon]

Has anyone done the new ex trial? How hard is it compared to other ex trials?

[sour solstice]

harder than kitty

but not that bad

but then again

PF

[opal hollow]

really?

I find it 10000x easier

The hardest part about it is finding people that aren't going into it blind

or actually figure things out in less than 5 tries

[scenic patrol]

Moon phase is a problem if you don't figure it out

Wish the fight actually had tank busters though

Why the heck aren't there busters before intermission?

[opal hollow]

lol oath

at least reprimand pops DRK's shield

if i don't use any other CD's

oh yeah does anybody know which is harder, o8s or o4s

[scenic patrol]

I just pop Vengeance during IR for extra dps

[opal hollow]

mechanics wise anyway

[scenic patrol]

I only did O8S

[opal hollow]

how do you find it?

i really can't tell by looking at guides

[scenic patrol]

Fun

[opal hollow]

LOL

That's a good sign

[scenic patrol]

Best fight this tier tanking wise

Because other fights are resident sleeper

[opal hollow]

LOL oath

[scenic patrol]

Just being a glorified dps in most fights

[unreal flax]

After having cleared O4S and studying O8S, I'm convinced that O8S is more difficult primarily because movement is so specific.

[scenic patrol]

Boss positioning matters, a lot

[unreal flax]

O4S was a lot of "Are you standing in a place that isn't outright wrong? YOU PASS!"

Whereas, O8S has specific paths you should be taking.

[scenic patrol]

Paths?

[unreal flax]

Gimme a sec and I'll find what I mean

[scenic patrol]

I have specific moments where I drag the boss

Which happens at mechanics downtime

[unreal flax]

Ah, there we go. Movement in Forsaken 2, as an example.

[dull radish]

You don't really move him there

You position before

[unreal flax]

There's not really anything like that in O4S.

[dull radish]

Then he charges

[unreal flax]

Oh, no I'm not talking about the boss movement. I'm talking about player movement

Also, not specifically tanks.

[dull radish]

Oh, sure

[scenic patrol]

Oh

The conversation was in context of tanks

[unreal flax]

Ah. Yeah, I just saw the ending question of which one was more difficult.

[sour solstice]

this person is insane

[opal hollow]

LMAO

dayum

[sour solstice]

its day 2

[scenic patrol]

Eh, wait until solo heal solo tank Tusukuyomi's will be common

[unreal flax]

That reads like an Edman Cho PF.

[sour solstice]

Uh

you cant solo tank that shit

[scenic patrol]

You can

[sour solstice]

because of the buster

[scenic patrol]

Just clear before the buster

[sour solstice]

🤔

[opal hollow]

wait how can't you?

[sour solstice]

buster gives a vuln up

[unreal flax]

She has a Sophia buster

[sour solstice]

that kills you on the next auto

[scenic patrol]

Also invlunl the AOE

[opal hollow]

i get put to like 20% hp on the next AA

[scenic patrol]

Isn't the tank buster a magical vuln up?

[opal hollow]

yeah

o

wait maybe it's a DRK only thing

hm

[sour solstice]

I was told it just killed them

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow, just sac the tank or something

[sour solstice]

on the next AA

[opal hollow]

oh wow interesting

i know my healer always shields during tank busters so probs that helped

if I pop like shadow wall + dark mind + TBN i don't really get hurt

with healer help

LOL

[scenic patrol]

I guarantee there'll be plenty of solo tank solo heal PFs in like 1 week

[opal hollow]

yeah probs

i've seen some already

[pure yoke]

as long as you skip 2nd meteor

you can solo tank with a paladin

[sour solstice]

do you just LB cheese the 2nd meteor or what

[pure yoke]

you don't see it

if you get to 35% before it

you skip it

[sour solstice]

oh ok

[unreal flax]

WAIT, we phasing this fight???

[pure yoke]

yes

[unreal flax]

AWWW YEE

[pure yoke]

fun fact, if you push phase after the tank buster

the tank could die to the raidwide

due to still having magic vuln up

[unreal flax]

YESSS

[pure yoke]

Paladin HG actually prevents magic vuln up

[unreal flax]

#Goals

[pure yoke]

so Paladin should always eat the first TB with HG

[scenic patrol]

Or just invuln the raid wide

With other tanks

[pure yoke]

this is solo tank situation

[scenic patrol]

Solo tank Warrior, use Holmgang on some raid wides, or is the raid wides too far apart?

[pure yoke]

magic vuln last 20 seconds

so even if you holmgang the tb and raidwide

you still have to deal with autos

very

painful

autos

or umm

actually find a good party who can do 35% skip on standard comp

[pastel tide]

i really like tsukuyomi

is extreme hard?

[sour solstice]

Well

Its not that hard

but PF is

[pastel tide]

on a spectrum of byakko to shinryu what are we talkin

[sour solstice]

Byakko ish

[pastel tide]

oh nice

[opal hollow]

right now it's like above byakko cuz people are going in blind

LOL

nah but it seems easier than byakko

[pastel portal]

Byakko is easy it’s just tedious

Tsukuyomi feels a bit more mechanically difficult but less tedious than byakko so

[scenic patrol]

If add phase was less tedious it would be 8/10

[sour solstice]

ok

I just watched a guide

this seems pretty easy

[light wagon]

what's tedious about byakko?

[stable basin]

Long waits between phases and during phases.

I'm guessing.

[opal hollow]

is byakko even considered hard

at this point it's like a 2/10 for me

[scenic patrol]

Air phase is quite pointless in EX

[opal hollow]

oath

it's literally just trying to weed out people who fell asleep

[unreal flax]

The Fall is great. Completely fresh opener.

Shit's like 9 minutes of just... not getting touched by his balls.

Interesting that Byakko to Shinryu is being used as the barometer now. Byakko easier than Susano and Lakshmi?

[shadow pollen]

Nah