endgame-lounge

[stable basin]

@ trying to swap

Nah b

[fast coyote]

nice

[sour solstice]

tfw you are bored and decide to look up your party member's logs on FFlogs

4% SCH

[lucid karma]

👀

[stable basin]

[lucid karma]

I've got single digit grey SCH on O8S practice

Who did absolutely shite job

And then rage quit after someone called him out

[sour solstice]

mfw im the only blue in the party

[lucid karma]

Apparently he got carried hard all the way to o8s

[sour solstice]

This is gonna go poorly

[scenic patrol]

Fun thought, if the raid environment didn't understand LB cheese as well as we know now, DRK would have been meta for O6S speed

[stable basin]

That sounds like your asking for pain with that party

[sour solstice]

Im so tempted to make a bullshit excuse

because I know how this is gonna go

[pure yoke]

Living dead is still kinda meh to heal though

[sour solstice]

Bene on CD?

guess the DRK dies

[steep iris]

!action living dead

[storm frost]

**Living Dead** : lvl 50 Dark Knight (300 second cooldown)

Grants the effect of Living Dead. When HP is reduced to 0 while under the effect of Living Dead, instead of becoming KO'd, your status will change to Walking Dead.
Living Dead Duration: 10s
While under the effect of Walking Dead, most attacks will not lower your HP below 1. If, before the Walking Dead timer runs out, HP is 100% restored, the effect will fade. If 100% is not restored, you will be KO'd.
Walking Dead Duration: 10s

[sour solstice]

either that or you have to GCD heal it

[scenic patrol]

SS + 2 healer 0GCDs should be enough for LD

[sour solstice]

oh yeah

[scenic patrol]

Since SS is 20%

[sour solstice]

SS is a thing now

[stable basin]

You'd need to have popped SS before Living Dead procs

[sour solstice]

P R E P L A N N E D C D S

[scenic patrol]

LD and Holmgang are planned CDs

Never emergency

[stable basin]

Good point

[sour solstice]

Yeah I bounced

[lucid karma]

Emergency CD only exist in dungeon because players quality is out of your control

[sour solstice]

average parse of the group was like 10%

so uh

Thats likely a doomed pt

[lucid karma]

Did you even hit enrage

Or just pure wipe

[sour solstice]

No it was 6/8

and I got bored so I started looking people up

[lucid karma]

Oh

[sour solstice]

honest SCH, no logs on WAR guy, and a bunch of DPS that just either had nothing or were super low

I dont feel like wasting another hour

[scenic patrol]

I think I might try pugging a bit of this tier for parses

On Sunday

Not sure

Or just continue playing Persona 5

[sour solstice]

Im tempted to just throw in the towel for the tier

ive tried 5 different pugs this week and all have gone to shit

Start fresh with O9

er

[steady pebble]

Mizz's is running sigma pfs if you want to keep an eye out for her groups

[steep iris]

how are you finding pugs this bad

[sour solstice]

idk man

[steep iris]

also why aren't you doing weeklies on tuesdays

[scenic patrol]

Mizzteq?

[steady pebble]

yea

[sour solstice]

Thats a good question

to which the answer is

[stable basin]

👀

[sour solstice]

Partially because I am really reluctant to pug in the first place

And by the time I convince myself its worth the loot

its thursday

[pure yoke]

I don't like the pug life

[sour solstice]

and theres like 0 statics rn

so im just kinda fucked

Its my own fault

but

[steep iris]

If you dont mind just find a page run i guess

[scenic patrol]

I should get some Mendacity

So I can get an Odenta Kai

[sour solstice]

expert roulette my dude

ez

[lunar carbon]

Weeb sword

[scenic patrol]

I fucking hate expert without pre-mades

[lunar carbon]

I hate tanking expert

[scenic patrol]

I don't mind

[sour solstice]

Its not that bad

[scenic patrol]

I just hate how incompletent people can be

[sour solstice]

neither of my friends that play have bothered to unlocke xpert

[scenic patrol]

It doesn't take much to do decent dps in AOE

[lunar carbon]

I have been tanking expert for the last 3 months

[sour solstice]

so I soloq it constantly

[lunar carbon]

when I queue for it solo

I rather playing healer in it

as a SCH I can just excog the tank and forget about it as I spam broil

[steady pebble]

@sour solstice mizz's is gonna be doing o6s here in a bit if you're interested

[sour solstice]

Cant run O6 if I never cleared O5 this week

[steady pebble]

:c

[sour solstice]

plus im just fuckin depressed for some reason so id play like shit

[steady pebble]

if i had noticed that mizz was on sooner, i woulda pinged ya

[steep iris]

who's mizz

[steady pebble]

mizzteq

[steep iris]

o

she's pugging?

👀

[steady pebble]

she does savage learning pfs on her alt

[sour solstice]

Im beginning to think that the best way to improve my FF14 gameplay would be to just fucking diet and exercise

[steep iris]

ah

[paper torrent]

@sour solstice hope you feel better Yalia, exercise is clinically proven to help depression tho so you're not wrong

[sour solstice]

[stable basin]

Hey man, if you ever need help with anything you got the FC, ik atleast I'd help you out

[light flame]

Hi! Uhm, does anyone know a macro that always goes of at 5 or 10 seconds before the cooldown comes up?

[scenic patrol]

That means using a macro with that ability

And that is oof

Also only one macro can work at a time

Anyhow it's a case of git gud or use act spell timers

[sudden wharf]

Does AST have lower raid dps than SCH on average?

[scenic patrol]

Don't think so

[sudden wharf]

I dunno. I was looking up the top runs at https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/ and most of them had the SCH being higher.

Which was surprising, since I thought AST was the ultimate rdps healer.

[last galleon]

I think someone once did a calculation before and AST needed really good card RNG to come out higher than SCH

On average SCH would edge out AST due to higher personal DPS and chain being really powerful

[sudden wharf]

How necessary is it to micromanage your fairy's position? Can you just make it follow you?

[last galleon]

depends on what you define as necessary. it'll lose embrace casts if you move a lot and you just set it to follow.

in most cases you can place it approximately center of a boss arena and leave it there, however it does get pushed around by knockbacks and such and it might end up on the edge if you don't pay attention to it

[sudden wharf]

That doesn't sound so bad.

[last galleon]

yeah, i wouldn't say it's micromanaging levels

mostly just need to be attentive of where the pet is in relation to the party

[sudden wharf]

I'm mostly just trying to figure out how to hotkey the million skills SCH has.

Plus all the pet actions.

[last galleon]

well, you can leave selene on sic

she does a pretty okay job

i would suggest macro-ing rouse and WD together to save two buttons but that won't be applicable after 4.3 :p

[scenic patrol]

It's only a problem with Kefka I think

Since fairy can get clipped by tank busters

[sudden wharf]

I also have a question about this "crit adlo" that gets mentioned a lot with regards with sch. Like, a combo I hear about is getting a crit adlo and then spreading it with deployment tactics. But aren't crit randoms? How do you guarantee it?

[last galleon]

you don't

you just try to fish pre-pull

it's nice if it happens, but you can't force it

[scenic patrol]

Welcome to speed running

Where you rely on RNG to not kill you

[last galleon]

but for example, if you get a spread critlo on godka, you can ignore the first ultimate cast entirely

*ultima

[sudden wharf]

I see. So it's a nice if it happens but don't try and force it sort of thing? Like using adlo on someone repeatedly until it crits?

[scenic patrol]

Or just hot through it

[last galleon]

you can do that pre-pull, which is what we call fishing for critlos

[scenic patrol]

Not in an actual encounter, no

[last galleon]

but during a battle not really

you're wasting so many GCDs you could've been broiling

[scenic patrol]

If your strategy relies on critlo for cheese

You just wipe if you don't get it

[sudden wharf]

Sounds fun. SCH looks really complicated to optimize.

I mean you have tools but it's not obvious when you should use them.

[blazing pelican]

It's obvious if you know what each item is for

SCH tools can be boiled down into a few categories: HoTs, Shields, Burst, and Support

[scenic patrol]

Yen actually explaining shit

[blazing pelican]

hush you, I can nice occasionally

Union and Whispering Dawn are your HoTs
Union has the added benefit of forcing your fairy into a position close enough to tether so you don't have to fuck with pet controls

[scenic patrol]

I don't buy this

[blazing pelican]

Your shields are Adlo and Succor. Try to avoid using these unless you absolutely have to, they really drain your MP

Burst is Excog, Indom, Lustrate, and Emergency Tactics heals. These and your HoTs should be your primary source of healing

Support is stuff like Chain Strat, Fey Covenant, Fey Illumination, Fey Wind, Sacred Soil, etc.
Use as necessary

for gods sake, use Fey Covenant and Illumination. So many players forget about these skills and both are really good

!action Fey Illumination

[storm frost]

**Fey Illumination** : lvl 40 None (120 second cooldown)

Increases healing magic potency of self and nearby party members by 10%.
Duration: 20s
When Obey is active, will only execute upon command.

[blazing pelican]

Illumination is really good for you and your co-heal

[sudden wharf]

Thanks for the explanations. I have a question about Eos vs Selene though. I assume Eos is your primary fairy, since its skills just look better at a glance, but should you be switching them out throughout the fight or sticking with one?

[blazing pelican]

Selene for prepull, Eos afterwards

Your opener looks something like this prepull: Summon Selene before countdown > Countdown 15s
(Largesse if you don't need it in the next 90s) > Adlo on MT > (Deployment Tactics if raidwide within 15s of pull) > Summon Eos (while summoning hit Fey Wind) > 5s hit pot > 4s hit Cleric > 3s Miasma > Bio II > rest of opener

[scenic patrol]

Yen, what do you think of the WD change?

[sudden wharf]

Not that this puts me off the class, but man does it sound like SCH has to do so much more work to have an equal effect as the other healers.

It's like the DRK of healers.

[blazing pelican]

On one hand, it's taken a bit of a nerf. Roused WD is 140, the new one is 120 and can't be buffed. On the other hand, the usability buffs to fairy actions far outweigh the potency loss.

The best part is I can interrupt Union for actions, which was my biggest issue with using the skill

[sudden wharf]

What do the role actions look like SCH?

[blazing pelican]

the same as the other healers >_>

sarcasm aside

[sudden wharf]

Specifically, do you take eye for an eye?

[blazing pelican]

Surecast, Cleric, Swiftcast, Lucid, Largesse for O5S, O7S, and O8S

swap Surecast for E4E in O6S

If anyone in pf for these fights asks for Rescue tell them to fuck off

[sudden wharf]

Waaaay back during the beginning of the tier when I was progging through o5s in a pug as a drk someone actually saved me from remorse with rescue.

[blazing pelican]

you can plunge cancel that though

[paper torrent]

or you know

use boxes like a shitter

[blazing pelican]

^^^ this guy knows all about being a shitter

[scenic patrol]

Rescue me Senpai

[sudden wharf]

But what's the point of being a healer if you can't rescue someone from a mechanic to show them how much better you are than them?

[scenic patrol]

So you're saying Rescue the BLM on CD?

[paper torrent]

yes

[sudden wharf]

Hey, their aetherial manipulation was buffed.

So should be no big deal now.

[scenic patrol]

No, I mean rescue them on CD to interrupt their casts

[dull radish]

surecast to dodge <3

[scenic patrol]

That's a nice Leylines you got there, shame if you were yanked out

[sudden wharf]

This would never happen because of how OP it would be, but I always thought it'd be sort of cool if BLMs could use other BLM's leylines.

So you could have a meme 4 BLM party.

And stack them on top of each other.

[vital cypress]

huh

[blazing pelican]

it would be nice if other players could use Ley Lines

[vital cypress]

meta game

meta game?

[sudden wharf]

Keeping track of 3 dots as SCH is going to be annoying.

[blazing pelican]

DON'T

[dull radish]

miasma 2 uptime is a trap

[blazing pelican]

Don't try to 100% Miasma II

[sudden wharf]

Oh.

[blazing pelican]

you'll bleed MP like a hemophiliac

[vital cypress]

broil II does more damage per cast, also MP

holy crap, MP

[sudden wharf]

So Miasma II is like Ruin II for SMN? aka your weaving skill?

[vital cypress]

also ignore me because i'm dumb and bad

[blazing pelican]

I'm basically crying for MP after first forsaken, I asked our BRD to change when he did Refresh and things got way cosier

and yeah

[sudden wharf]

That makes things way easier.

Also, this is more a question about personal experience, but once you and your party have a fight down, do you find that you can spend your aetherflow on energy drains? Or is it still all to healing?

[vital cypress]

as someone who is bad and dumb and mostly just subs in on healer, i usually burn them if I have 15/10/5 seconds left before aetherflow cycles and i know i won't need a Ton of Lustrates

and lustrate spam usually means something else went terribly wrong

[blazing pelican]

Aetherflow should be spent intelligently

don't spam it, but think ahead about what it required

it does require some fight experience

[vital cypress]

this is the better answer

[sudden wharf]

I'm sure what will really end up happening for me is...

1. Use all aetherflow and panic succor when bad stuff hapens.

2. Has all 3 aetherflow and notices 2 seconds left on aetherflow cooldown.

[blazing pelican]

this is me during progression

it gets better

[vital cypress]

I mean, 2 is probably better than 1

[blazing pelican]

the words "I fucked up, we're dead" come out of my mouth way more often when we're optimizing

[sudden wharf]

Is that when your co-healer saves the day?

[woeful prawn]

i usually dump a stack immediately after using aetherflow

then i use it again at 15s if i still have it and then 5s if i have it

[sour solstice]

who is that face

[scenic patrol]

@desert trench

[sour solstice]

Is that an old Emiin portrait or something

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, he has a bunch of those his wife made him

It's an emote

[sour solstice]

ah

[stoic oasis]

hey guys look. they added veria to the game.

[blazing pelican]

A) you spelled that wrong
B) your joke sucks

[steep iris]

oof

[stoic oasis]

i find it odd that SE only used males in that image

[normal mesa]

uhhh

it exists for girls already

[sour solstice]

Roasted

[stoic oasis]

oh does it?

[normal mesa]

players begged for it to be equippable on boys

[sour solstice]

[normal mesa]

they now deliver on it

[stoic oasis]

shows how much i pay attention to gold saucer items

[normal mesa]

I am stoked for fishnets for my boys

[stoic oasis]

the ERP will be great

[sour solstice]

Gold Saucer just tripled in population on Balmung

[stoic oasis]

lol

[mighty shale]

this isn't endgame talk

🤔

[steady pebble]

what if my end-game is discussing gold saucer?

[torn kindle]

implying glamour isn't endgame

shame on you teru

[mighty shale]

see, I would try to come up with a joke

but for future reference, this isn't what the channel is for

[vital cypress]

stupid question time

do DoTs do any damage when Kefaust is untargetable?

I'm assuming not.

and eventually i'll figure out what i'm trying to say

[scenic patrol]

Nope

Only tick on Choo Choo

[sour solstice]

classic kefka

pulling bullshit out his ass

[stoic oasis]

its because kefka goes immune right?

[pure yoke]

@vital cypress all bosses except train becomes undottable

[stoic oasis]

i wonder why train works that way then

[pure yoke]

Chimney has to damage boss

[stoic oasis]

ohhh right

thats why

[pure yoke]

every other boss, if you can't target it, dots does nothing

[stoic oasis]

even bismark?

[vital cypress]

thought so

👌

[pure yoke]

Bismark especially

dots do nothing to him if you can't target

[stoic oasis]

but do dots that were placed on him still tick

even when you have to get off

[pure yoke]

my raw intution says

no

like my bard said he still gets proc off train for adds despite the boss being gone

so I like to say dots wouldn't proc shit for most bosses

it certainly doesn't proc when Guardian is flying or when Kefka is fucking off

[supple sail]

Since HW, general rule is DoTs don't deal damage while boss is untargetable

Train boy is exceptional.

Back in ARR DoTs did tick while the boss was untargetable

thus Twintania dying offscreen

[steep iris]

so it's safe to reapply my dots before train goes away for adds?

[torn kindle]

yee

[pure yoke]

yeah

bards and summoners especially want to do it

[wet stag]

seeing all the comments on emiin's post is like

[sour solstice]

link to reddit post

or I could not be a lazy motherfucker

oh

oh boy

this is somme 👌

[lucid karma]

seems like people have hate boner on The Balance

also

Nice but I wish we got DA TBN this patch

[sour solstice]

L U L

[lucid karma]

jeez what the fuck man even if that was a joke

[scenic patrol]

Some people are fucking salty

Lol

[lucid karma]

but was he wrong

[scenic patrol]

napkin math
made most of the tank DPS calculators or contributed to them

[pure yoke]

you can do all the top level math you want

but that is something one crit can make up for

[lucid karma]

same reason I don't play with dice that is manual crafting

[zinc vortex]

tbf

for every person with a hate boner for the balance

there's at least 2 who'll do anything to get pegged by the people on the balance

[blazing pelican]

[sour solstice]

I mean

Not based on this thread

[unique wolf]

what is exactly the alternative to having a optimization discord

[paper torrent]

to be fair

[sour solstice]

sucking shit

thats the alternative

[paper torrent]

all the anti balance cirlcejerkers can't show themselves often 😦

[unique wolf]

i guess you could continue posting on shitty OF and Reddit where 80% of the discussion is about mindless drivel

and where people need to have their safe space respected

[sour solstice]

implying the balance isnt 80% drivel

[lucid karma]

80% shitpost

[sour solstice]

I kid, I kid

[unique wolf]

its relative

if balance is 80%

[paper torrent]

at least the balance is actually a good place to learn

[unique wolf]

then OF/Reddit is 99.9999%

[sour solstice]

but its pretty clowny

[unique wolf]

basically the only posts that actually are good are ones made by the same people

[blazing pelican]

I did have someone bag on me once or twice for asking questions, but never to the scale of "you suck, go kill yourself"

[sour solstice]

worst response ive ever gotten was

[blazing pelican]

I also may have responded at one point with "I work 50 hours a week, I don't have time to be a full time autist like you" >_>

[zinc vortex]

sounds like a good idea

[lucid karma]

it's true tho

[scenic patrol]

I work 48 hours a week

[unique wolf]

do you really want to discuss how to play the game when people like this exist in the discord

[lucid karma]

it's fucking video game

[scenic patrol]

I am full on autist

[lucid karma]

let people who have time to be autist do the work for you

[sour solstice]

[zinc vortex]

i mean i never said the balance isn't a good place to learn

it's a great place to learn

[sour solstice]

He plays SAM doesnt he

[zinc vortex]

good content, knowledgeable people.

[blazing pelican]

MNK probably

[zinc vortex]

but boy oh boy if it isn't just 90% people stroking their peepee over their 40% solo balance purple parses and people posting le dank circlejerk maymays

[lucid karma]

on contrary, people use "I don't have time" as excuse to stay bad

[unique wolf]

i dont think i've seen any of those posts b4

[zinc vortex]

otoh

great resources

[steady pebble]

there's plenty of knowledgeable people to learn from here as well

[zinc vortex]

big think

i mean yeah there's a few

[wet stag]

yeah from what ive seen

most people in the balance look down on padded runs

i certainly do

[scenic patrol]

Lol, people would straight up call you out on padded parses

[sour solstice]

I mean on this server theres retards like me answering questions

[scenic patrol]

Lol

[zinc vortex]

it certainly wasn't that way when i was still hanging around

[blazing pelican]

I've had maybe one padded run where I did almost no healing and I felt bad afterwards

[zinc vortex]

bring back zoof

[wet stag]

🦑

[scenic patrol]

Zoof is dead til 5.0

[blazing pelican]

and then my coheal pulled the same shit next week and my guilt was replaced by anger

[scenic patrol]

When MCH doesn't feel like shit to play

[lucid karma]

I'm too shit to even have actual padded run

[scenic patrol]

So you padded each other Eh, Yen

And for me a padded run is doing IR 4th GCD on train to have more adds up time

[sour solstice]

The poeple just flat accusing Emii of being biased towards DRK tho

like

[wet stag]

i mean he is

[sour solstice]

wow way to acknowledge the facts

[wet stag]

theres no argument there

[blazing pelican]

I'd be biased towards my main too

[steady pebble]

He openly admits it tho

[wet stag]

but he doesnt let his bias affect the numbers

[sour solstice]

I worded my statement poorly

[blazing pelican]

<mains SCH
SCH IS TEH BEST JURB EVA

[scenic patrol]

He is, but his info is not wrong

[steady pebble]

yeah

he is clearly able to seperate his bias for drk

to look objectively at the number

[sour solstice]

Respectfully, you were pretty biased in your other DRK post and are just as biased in this one.

You stated DRK was viable in your previous post, and you say they are viable here. Nothing is added, this post is simply you going over the proposed changes and your opinions on them. You literally end up at the same place you started. DRK's are Viable.```

this is the shit I was talking about

[lucid karma]

you can be biased and you can just show number

[scenic patrol]

Some people liked Bow Mage

And redditors can't accept that

[unique wolf]

i dont know why people care so much if drk is good or not

[scenic patrol]

Me neither

[unique wolf]

thats a meme in itself

[zinc vortex]

honestly me neither

[blazing pelican]

Some people also have shit taste in waifus, but America is a free country and we must respect their choices

[zinc vortex]

like who the fuck cares play what you want

[sour solstice]

people like circlejerking

[fast coyote]

when 90% of them dont even have the skill to play it at a decent level

[lucid karma]

out of jealously I guess?

[zinc vortex]

i play wheelchair classes and i think my wheelchair class is perfectly fine

[sour solstice]

and logic interupts the circlejerk

[scenic patrol]

Its not a DPS job, it won't affect kill times on an avarage static

Like NIN does

[blazing pelican]

!whoclasses @zinc vortex

[storm frost]

Classes for <Alex Ba'kal>

Dark Knight

70

Paladin

70

Warrior

70

Ninja

70

Summoner

70

Scholar

70

White Mage

70

Monk

70

Black Mage

70

Astrologian

70

Machinist

70

Bard

70

Dragoon

70

Samurai

70

Red Mage

70

[zinc vortex]

the changes coming to my wheelchair class are very nice though

big think

[sour solstice]

supreme autism

[blazing pelican]

yep you play wheelchair classes alright

[zinc vortex]

the supremest™

[lucid karma]

!whoglamour @zinc vortex

[storm frost]

Glamour for Alex Ba'kal of Moogle

[fast coyote]

Level my classes please

[zinc vortex]

no

i had them all at 70 in 4.0

[lucid karma]

so you're not girl

[blazing pelican]

POTATO

[lucid karma]

and not furry

what are you

[zinc vortex]

[blazing pelican]

a liar

that's what he is

[scenic patrol]

It's a trap

[zinc vortex]

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

what'd i miss

[fast coyote]

potato

[scenic patrol]

Reddit being retarded

[lucid karma]

tater

[scenic patrol]

So nothing

[zinc vortex]

people sucking the balance's dick

so nothing

[paper torrent]

sounds about right

[wet stag]

lmao

[zinc vortex]

jk jk 😌

[lucid karma]

I'll suck on any dick regardless

[sour solstice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8khx6j/nerd_talks_43_dark_knight_and_a_discussion_on/ @paper torrent

[zinc vortex]

same tbh

[lucid karma]

stop me if you can

[paper torrent]

just another beautiful day in reddit

[fast coyote]

I thought balance was a girl wtf

[paper torrent]

discord server endgame section

[wet stag]

i only suck dick if its feminine

[scenic patrol]

At least I get vast more good info from The Balance in regards to raiding

[zinc vortex]

[wet stag]

hey johni wanna hear a meme

[scenic patrol]

Go ahead

[lucid karma]

I only look at pin and ask something now and then

[wet stag]

i used to pull with plunge in 4.0

[paper torrent]

oh right

slashing exists

[lucid karma]

too many discord

[zinc vortex]

i still pull with plunge

[paper torrent]

🤔

[zinc vortex]

stop me

[scenic patrol]

I used to stay in Grit

[wet stag]

same

[scenic patrol]

Until boss stopped AAing me

[lucid karma]

I honestly don't give a fuck inside dungeon

[paper torrent]

oh well we still get da plunge lmao

[lucid karma]

I'll pull with plunge/onslaught

[scenic patrol]

From the time I first cleared Byakko EX

To now

[wet stag]

how do you pull with onslaught

[scenic patrol]

I am like 100 times a better player

[wet stag]

[lucid karma]

dungeon

[zinc vortex]

SQUARE WE WANT TO NOT HAVE TO SPAM DARK ARTS EVERY GCD 😡
DARK ARTS YOU SAID?

[scenic patrol]

You can

[wet stag]

oh

lol

[zinc vortex]

blessed square

[scenic patrol]

It's quite easy

[wet stag]

wow

whos that

gay

[lucid karma]

not gay

[scenic patrol]

I have made a higher Enmity opener for Warrior that is less retarded than the pinned one

[lucid karma]

first of all dick is feminine

[zinc vortex]

https://i.gyazo.com/b9227b46d3b3784e91465ca28dcdcb42.png

[lucid karma]

second your mouth has no gender

[fast coyote]

warrior still the best dps tank though

[scenic patrol]

Not entirely correct

[lucid karma]

which argument johni

[fast coyote]

ok dragoon best dps tank my bad sorry

[scenic patrol]

Warrior best DPS tank

[wet stag]

warrior is best dps tank if and only if the fight ends just after IR

also you know

theyre good

lol

[lucid karma]

but does it matter that much?

[scenic patrol]

If IR has 30 seconds remaining CD, DRK is already about equal

[lucid karma]

naah

[scenic patrol]

Kill time matters a fuck ton for Warrior

It's 200 DPS easily

Around 250 dps variance depending on kill time

[pine beacon]

Warrior has volatile variances based around kill time, ye

[scenic patrol]

So on avarage, unless a fight has downtime

[fast coyote]

Dragoon is still the best dps tank though

[scenic patrol]

It's about equal for the tanks

[pine beacon]

Did you end on IR? If Y: Enjoy your (probably) orange run. If N: 2 bad friendo

[lucid karma]

hey watch this

[paper torrent]

is thatttt why i parse blue?

[scenic patrol]

Any fight with downtime Warrior pulls ahead

Always

[zinc vortex]

yes

[paper torrent]

oh no wait taht's 'caus ei'm shit

[lucid karma]

trick attack just outside your IR

[zinc vortex]

if only you killed bosses immediately after IR

and were bis

you'd be easily orange

smh

[fast coyote]

see parsing blue means ur healer suck

cause whatever happens we should all blame heals

[sour solstice]

Hey man

If I die to doom strike with vengence and rampart active

it aint my fault

[blazing pelican]

keep blaming the healer and they'll make sure it's actually their fault

[sour solstice]

30k HP left

[blazing pelican]

[sour solstice]

btw

fun times in garbageville

[pine beacon]

Pls. O6 is infinitely worse.

[blazing pelican]

god if only you weren't tanking in shit gear

[fast coyote]

are u doing the fight in i lvl 300 dying with 2 cds there?

[scenic patrol]

Yen, I am BiS, if I die while popping my usual CDs

It ain't my fault

[pine beacon]

"Hi. 30k HP. 20k HP. Hello dying. Hlep. 10k, 7k. Ded"

[sour solstice]

No Leon

[pine beacon]

Deaths to autos tilt me the hardest

[sour solstice]

I just had 30k at the start of the buster

because the healers dropped my ass

[blazing pelican]

you are heavy and difficult to carry

[scenic patrol]

Should use HG and hope for the best

[sour solstice]

On CD because of remorse

rip

[blazing pelican]

_>

[pine beacon]

Blow every CD prepull

[lucid karma]

yeah it's not tank fault if they stayed for 5 seconds on 5% HP

before dying

[fast coyote]

hmm ppl talking seriously here wtf 😮

[lucid karma]

and with cooldown

[pine beacon]

Then tell your healers "Dis for u bby"

[paper torrent]

shirks

[sour solstice]

I mean healer lol

[blazing pelican]

"it's ok, Eos will get him"
Eos did not get him

[sour solstice]

But ive played enough tank to know its sometimes their fault

[fast coyote]

on a serious note most tanks I have come across in pf forget the doom strike after ghosts and then blame heals when they use no CD

[pine beacon]

This is why FFLogs is our fren. Filthy no diversion blms can get called out ezps

[zinc vortex]

its the other way around for me

tanks mitigating the fuck out of doom strike but dying because they're at 15k health

[pine beacon]

I do that sometimes. Usually followed by an oops.

[sour solstice]

I tend to forget first doom strike

[blazing pelican]

Doom Strike has taken the life of many a pf tank

[zinc vortex]

then healers blaming them for not using a cooldown

[paper torrent]

can confirm

have been blammed like this

[fast coyote]

well thats a real healer fault that the heals forget the TB XD

[zinc vortex]

i mean lets not deny the fact that healers in this game have a holier-than-thou god complex

[sour solstice]

Doom strike itnto crit auto

= fun times

[paper torrent]

oh god

[zinc vortex]

where they can do no wrong ever

[blazing pelican]

nah I'm generally on top of busters

[paper torrent]

that literally makes me cry

[blazing pelican]

you might die to autos tho

[fast coyote]

Busters are usually on top of me

[lucid karma]

most of the time tank dies to auto after buster

[blazing pelican]

why does God Kefka auto so hard like goddamn

[lucid karma]

so your lazy ass have to respect content

[paper torrent]

cause godka kicks you in the fucking head

that shit must hurt

[fast coyote]

yea with his bare legs

[scenic patrol]

Fun fact

[lucid karma]

bare kefka legs 👀

[zinc vortex]

it probably wont be a fun fact

watch

[blazing pelican]

his bare, muscular legs 👀

[paper torrent]

T H I C C C C C

[scenic patrol]

Kefka Crit AA does the same damage as an uncasted buster in Deltascape

[paper torrent]

C R I T S S S

[lucid karma]

THE FITNESS TRAINER HATES HIM

[sour solstice]

that sounds painful

[fast coyote]

yea he is my gym inspiration

[unique wolf]

u think o8s hits hard? try some a8s

[sour solstice]

I tried unsyncing A3n

[zinc vortex]

5k autos at 20k health big oof

[sour solstice]

thats prettty hard

[unique wolf]

f i n a l p u n c h

[fast coyote]

fun times 😄

[unique wolf]

short/long needle

also BJ does more damage as the fight goes on

they don't even have that anymore

if some1 died he got a 25% damage up stack

[zinc vortex]

oh right

[fast coyote]

the tank busters are a joke after midas

[zinc vortex]

the permanent damage up stacks

that was a thing

its been so long

[unique wolf]

yeet

[pine beacon]

Autos after busters are why we take awareness :3

Also, hi Tippani

[unique wolf]

long/short needle + mines/compressed water with chakram dodge

😩 👌 💯

these fights now are shit

hi

[blazing pelican]

I think the damage stack thing was taken away as a design choice. Also, no one liked A6S.

[unique wolf]

what

a6s was sick fight

[fast coyote]

wait for alexander ultimate

[zinc vortex]

no one liked a6s

[blazing pelican]

ok so one person liked A6S

[zinc vortex]

speak for yourself heathen

[unique wolf]

a6s was definitely the best 2nd floor fight they've ever made

[zinc vortex]

the only thing i didn't like was blaster

the rest were great

[blazing pelican]

I didn't realize the mind blast debuff affected players too

[fast coyote]

agreed

[zinc vortex]

and yeah, definitely the coolest 2nd floor they've made

[fast coyote]

with a6s being the best 2nd floor fight

[zinc vortex]

a2s

[fast coyote]

of all of them till now

[blazing pelican]

A10S was clearly the best 2nd floor

[pine beacon]

Wait. I need to work on my comment formatting:

I disagree with you, and here's why my experience in expert roulette and Byakko ex makes me an authority

[unique wolf]

a10s is second best

[zinc vortex]

^

a10s was really nice

[fast coyote]

sure if only I didnt do 8 man tank a10s :3

[zinc vortex]

comfy fight

[pine beacon]

I wish I was still subbed for midas/creator

[unique wolf]

a10s was a sick fight because it was a 4:50 fight when you played it right

[blazing pelican]

I really liked, just barely having the group dps to skip things
made it exciting

[unique wolf]

you skipped all of the bad mechanics

in a10s

[fast coyote]

ahhh

[unique wolf]

[zinc vortex]

a11s was simultaneously

[unique wolf]

a6 also had some great skips

[zinc vortex]

one of my most favorite

and probably the gayest fight they've ever made

[fast coyote]

Demon chadarnook best 2nd floor fight

fight me

[blazing pelican]

A11S was the best and worst fight ever

cause goddamn was that fight aids, but it was fun

[fast coyote]

a11s took me the longest to prog with ppl

dont think we had discord then

would make life easier for me if i did

[scenic patrol]

TS

[fast coyote]

didnt use it 😛

[zinc vortex]

TS

[scenic patrol]

my static used TS on Thursday

[fast coyote]

I wasnt into voice coms before discord

i was a shy guy

[blazing pelican]

TS

[scenic patrol]

when Discord shat itself

[zinc vortex]

my friends think i'm extroverted when in reality i'm the most introverted autist you'll ever find

[blazing pelican]

[zinc vortex]

i got banned from the WoW shaman discord for posting that emote btw

[fast coyote]

nice

[blazing pelican]

mine or yours

[zinc vortex]

mine

[blazing pelican]

lol

[lucid karma]

you deserved it

[blazing pelican]

tough crowd

[zinc vortex]

[lucid karma]

/pet

[fast coyote]

DA plunge

[pine beacon]

[scenic patrol]

I don't see the problem with DA Plunge

It's actually a usability buff

[paper torrent]

it's aggro gen tool

for when drk is mt

o3o

[fast coyote]

DA plunge is nice

just would need more mana management

[scenic patrol]

I wouldn't go out of my way to DA Plunge

Don't see the point

[fast coyote]

yea I dunno with the mana and stuff with DA if that extra DA potency will be worth it

no clue tbh

[wet stag]

trick

attack

[fast coyote]

ahh

yea maybe only in TA windows

[paper torrent]

i'm gonna miss spamming dadp in packs

Q_Q

[fast coyote]

they should reduce mana cost of DA to make things a lil easier

though truthfully I thought they would lessen the number of times we have to press DA, on the contrary they increased it

[scenic patrol]

They increased it how?

[fast coyote]

DA plunge?

[scenic patrol]

Number of DA

Are still limited

DA Plunge doesn't make mana magically apearr

[fast coyote]

hmm true

didnt think that way

should rephrase to necessity to DA

[scenic patrol]

A lot of the people that complain about DA Plunge adding more DA spam don't understand the DRK resources economy

And no, DA Plunge doesn't make you magically want to DA it

[fast coyote]

yea even I dont, but ur point makes sense

[scenic patrol]

It's only for snap aggro really relevant

Or fights with a lot of aggro

Like O8S

[fast coyote]

so no need to use it in TA windows?

[scenic patrol]

If DA lands on it, neat

If not, oh well

Not sure you will have mana to DA Plunge anyways

On TA

[fast coyote]

hmm but if they reduce DA mana cost I think then my statement would make more sense

[scenic patrol]

Aye, but that is unlikely

[fast coyote]

but yea in the current scenario u are right

we wont have the liberty anyways

[wet stag]

@scenic patrol its possible in the niche case that your last gcd in trick is hard slash

otherwise it doesnt rly matter

[scenic patrol]

Yeah, but you'll want to do some GCD manipulation shenanigans to avoid this

[wet stag]

hs (trick starts) da ss, da cs se, da bs, da hs plunge (trick ends)

[fast coyote]

w8 we dont get 2 bs in TA window?

[wet stag]

if you plan your resources yes

otherwise no

[scenic patrol]

Also need BW up

[wet stag]

well

if trick starts and you have 90+ blood

[scenic patrol]

Need a bit of extra Blood

But not capped

[wet stag]

i think

you can afford to cap a bit

its just a big brain matter of how much blood youre capping by and whether its a dps loss

better to just not cap

[scenic patrol]

I'd rather avoid playing the job shittily to maximize raid buffs

[fast coyote]

my friend drk manages like crazy so he told me the tricks to use double BS in TA, but considering how ignorant I am I forgot what he said XD

[scenic patrol]

DRK is the most involved tank when it comes to raid buffs

[fast coyote]

yo

[scenic patrol]

On Warrior I just throw a Cleave or two and call it a day

Of course that is regardless of IR

I delay IR, sometimes

[fast coyote]

God kefka is still my gym inspiration

[scenic patrol]

Godka has some very annoying IR fuckery going there

[fast coyote]

yea like those big shitty trines

[scenic patrol]

Oh, you have IR back up, it would be a shame if you were confused

Big trine is negligible

If you don't delay IR

You won't lose the cast there

On Godka you should open with a 4th GCD IR

[fast coyote]

hmm

do u have a ninja in pty?

[scenic patrol]

And you have about 2 GCDs that you can delay IR

And yes

[fast coyote]

I see

[scenic patrol]

I have Ninja

Not getting your Upheaval potency murdered >1st GCD IR in trick

[fast coyote]

I dont have a ninja so might try memeheaval next week when my ninja starts to sub the game

and learn v5s- v8s

[scenic patrol]

Memeheaval will kill you on Godka

If someone early pulls

[fast coyote]

its tight but manageable

[scenic patrol]

Deliverance switch is tight

[fast coyote]

I know during heartless

but I have a modification to memeheaval which i will try next week

[scenic patrol]

It's like a 0.5 window or 1 sec

Iirc

For early pulling to kill you

I think 0.7 sec

[paper torrent]

memeheavel

[scenic patrol]

Memeheaval has spicy Enmity

Though

[fast coyote]

why are u levelling MNK though?

[scenic patrol]

To be shit in it as well

[fast coyote]

😮

[scenic patrol]

!whologs @paper torrent

[storm frost]

Send Memes of Faerie

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (7228/13639) [3404.7 DPS] [53.5 Historical] [8:46]
Paladin: (10949/14999) [2816.85 DPS] [28.0 Historical] [8:43]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Paladin: (8980/14722) [3578.71 DPS] [47.9 Historical] [9:45]
Warrior: (5407/12876) [4226.43 DPS] [59.6 Historical] [9:05]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[zinc vortex]

no log shaming

[scenic patrol]

Shame me daddy

!whologs @scenic patrol

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo of Odin

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (1091/13639) [4387.11 DPS] [93.2 Historical] [7:43]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Warrior: (1931/12876) [4669.6 DPS] [87.2 Historical] [8:37]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Warrior: (1796/9453) [4308.63 DPS] [87.8 Historical] [10:57]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (662/7362) [4263.66 DPS] [91.4 Historical] [6:30]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (1266/5277) [4481.81 DPS] [76.7 Historical] [10:12]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[zinc vortex]

nobody cares

get out

[scenic patrol]

Alex, so are you a trap, yes or no?

[lucid karma]

does it matter as long as they're cute

[scenic patrol]

As long as the dick is feminine

[sudden wharf]

I remember reading something a long time ago that said you needed at least 1 DH meld to "activate" direct hit for healers, otherwise they won't be able to direct hit at all. Is that true?

[scenic patrol]

Healer and tanks don't have natural DH

!whoattributes @scenic patrol

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo of Odin

Attributes of Level 70 Warrior

HP

62872

MP

4560

Strength

2391

Dexterity

277

Vitality

3007

Intelligence

116

Mind

158

Critical Hit Rate

2366

Determination

1690

Direct Hit Rate

364

Defense

5430

Magic Defense

5430

Attack Power

2391

Skill Speed

1126

Magic Power

116

Healing Potency

158

Spell Speed

364

Tenacity

800

Piety

292

[scenic patrol]

Zero DH melds on my Warrior

364 is basically the same as zero DH

And yes, without more DH than 364 you simply can't Direct Hit

[lucid karma]

which is fine if you have high crit rate

since crit rate scales damage too

[sudden wharf]

I'm just going to meld DH where I can't meld crit.

[scenic patrol]

On a healer?

[sudden wharf]

Yup.

[scenic patrol]

It doesn't increase your heals

[sudden wharf]

But it increases my damage.

[scenic patrol]

The gain from DH compared to Det is very small

[zinc vortex]

yes but it is a gain

let the man meld what he wants

its not like it matters

[sudden wharf]

But does the miniscule gain from det healing really matter?

I mean, would you use 1 less healing spell if you meld det instead of dh?

[scenic patrol]

Probably doesn't matter either way

[paper torrent]

C R I T

[scenic patrol]

As long as you don't use ilvl 350 gear to have more DH melds, more power to you I suppose

[sudden wharf]

Besides, you never know when that 10 dps increase might bump you from an 89 percentile to a 90 percentile or something.

I like nice even numbers.

[boreal edge]

depends if you meet dps check or not

idk about healer

being not bis doesnt impact healers dps or healing as much for dps jobs or tanks

[blazing pelican]

I'd rather not have a bunch of dead piety, but you have to be able to kill O8S to get into UwU anyway, so "why aren't you BiS?" is the real question here.

[boreal edge]

@blazing pelican not enough o8s kills

[normal mesa]

I would imagine not having the datalogs for either chest or weapon due to not clearing for 16 weeks + in pugs or something

yeah that ^

plenty of people only cleared in the last 7 weeks I'm sure

[boreal edge]

if we can go for 2 more weeks before uwu

its safe to assume

we will have 6 weps max

[normal mesa]

novice raiders, latecomers, carries, etc

[boreal edge]

and 4 weps lowest

but if uwu to be less dps check than ucob

[steep iris]

i should buy some piety and vitality materia now in preparation

so i dont waste cracked clusters

[boreal edge]

i think it will be kefaust week 1 dps check

[steep iris]

gotta sell my crit materias hehe

[blazing pelican]

Twin's check was kinda tight. If anyone died it would be up in the air if we were gonna enrage or not

[boreal edge]

but yeah they said this time they will focus on mechanics than dps checks this time around

[pure yoke]

from what I recall

the dps check in UCOB is more of a weakness check

than actually needing to optimize dps

[hybrid rapids]

you can have half party wiped and kill nael

people mush know their job and use brain in nael

worst i got was 35% after dive bomb

people use potion after

still, you want to avoid mistakes since you want to save all the buffs and CDs for bahamut prime later

if there's mistake = you have to cover their mistake and forced to use CDs

[zinc vortex]

i'm sure it'll be roughly the same

except without the frequent downtime that bahamut had

[boreal edge]

trios?

[zinc vortex]

yeah

[stable basin]

so apparently the new trial is super sekrit till after the patch is out

wonder if that means that it's in fact a second MSQ trial and the EX will be Minstrel's Ballad, like with Nidhogg in HW?

[normal mesa]

second msq trial?

you mean shinryu was the first yes?

[stable basin]

I mean like how HW had Thordan and then Nidhogg later

and now we have Shinryu and ???

[normal mesa]

they already confirmed via omission of details + saying there is no four lords trial that this is MSQ, yes.

This is our Nidhogg.

Our SB Nidhogg equiv.

[stable basin]

so most likely minstrel's ballad ex version with savage tier difficulty rather than normal ex, then

[normal mesa]

no

Minstrel's Ballad is EX

just cuz some players find EX trials hard doesn't make it savage difficulty

if it's savage difficulty, it'll be labeled savage

[wet stag]

i mean

[stable basin]

I mean like how Shin Ex was usually considered slightly below O3S

[wet stag]

shin ex was harder than o1s and o2s lol

[stable basin]

(ymmv, as plenty of people actually thought O3S was easier)

[normal mesa]

Debatable

I had a shitton more trouble with o2s than either o3s OR shinryu ex lmfao

[stable basin]

I'm going to guess this is going to be standard formula for expansions in general

[normal mesa]

but yeah, it's likely to be difficult, and yeah, it's formulaic

[stable basin]

.1 and .3 will have elevated difficulty EX trials compared to what is normal for EX

[normal mesa]

minstrel's ballad honestly should just be its own difficulty

[wet stag]

just dont make byakko ex level difficulty ever again

it sucks

[normal mesa]

normal>hard>extreme>minstrel's ballad>savage>ultimate

don't get anxious about the new trial nadine you'll do fine if you don't choke out on the anxiety

put the beans down

[stable basin]

Yeah, I'm just wondering if I should be expecting Shinny level difficulty or more like Susano/Byakko

[normal mesa]

Don't expect Byakko again

The community on the whole gave feedback it was too easy, didn't they?

Expect 'a new trial'

[stable basin]

and susano still kills pugs fairly often even now

[normal mesa]

legit stop overthinking it

expect 'a new trial'

we who yet walk the path should not think too much on the destination

when the hour arrives, we shall welcome what comes with open arms

[stable basin]

it also kind of seems like RDM is a job to start moving away from

[normal mesa]

nadine

Did you go try that 6s dummy?

[stable basin]

Didn't get a chance tonight, friends had me go to Susano and then it was time for a FC Final Coil run with cutscenes

and i'm kinda half asleep atm

i'm just noting that SAM got buffs even though well played SAMs are high tier, while RDM hasn't had any damage buffs at all (have they even had any at all the whole xpac?)

[normal mesa]

nah

SAM is heavily outclassed by MNK/SMN/etc

Don't pay attention to the meta, Nadine

you're not at a point you need to

Try the dummy. Either read the guide/tips I sent you and try the dummy, or do the dummy and then experiment. No food or pots.

Put the beans down.

[stable basin]

yup, will do when I wake

[warm jasper]

ultimate is also ministrel's ballad, just of a different fight ('lore wise')

[hybrid rapids]

there's no lore for ultimate

[zinc vortex]

isn't the lore for ultimate and minstrel's ballad in general just

crazy drunk man thinks of things that never happened and makes you relive that

[wet stag]

yeah

[steady pebble]

basically

[zinc vortex]

YEAH

[steady pebble]

minstrel's ballad is him embellishing the stories to be bigger than life/more epic

[zinc vortex]

😏

[steady pebble]

and then you get ptsd

[zinc vortex]

im sure the new ex trial won't be too difficult

but considering it's a catch up patch, probably somewhere between 6s and 7s

which if you cleared shinryu ex while it was relevant you should have no issue with

[steady pebble]

I didn't 😭

didnt even clear byakko

[zinc vortex]

can always outgear it in 4.4

grab some friends and just smash through it

[steady pebble]

that requires friends v_v

[zinc vortex]

byakko ex is basically normal mode +

uh

[normal mesa]

byakko ex is

byakko hm

tbh

[zinc vortex]

i can't help you with the friends part

[steady pebble]

yeah, ah well

[grizzled seal]

Just ask your favorite datacenter to help

[boreal edge]

byakko ex is same as nm

except swaps at state of shock

and the tempest dome

[stable basin]

Actually i found out something yesterday

You can be taken in stark of shock twice in a row

In theory we could stack once and hollow the second and have everybody still dps ?

[fast coyote]

I just dont want a trial like byakko ex which was like super easy and laughable at extreme mode

Nidhogg and sephirot ex was the perfect trial difficulty for ex trials

[sour solstice]

Yeah Byakko ex wasnt bad

[fast coyote]

love both the above fights as they kept on elevating in difficulty than having some 1-2 shitty mechs spawning again and again with little variations

[sterile geyser]

byakko ex was easy af but the sheer number of people that just mentally shut down for leg sweep every time even after clearing the fight was just.... amazing

[sour solstice]

That was me

tbh

just ask Frey

[wet stag]

oh

as in

not the npc

ok

[sour solstice]

yeah I was talking about Frey Luna

[barren grove]

I felt falling phase was originally going to have telegraphs removed but they decided "fuck it" because people sucked at shinryu spikecicles

[junior basin]

Nidhogg difficult?

I thought he was more of a pushover - thordan is probably the primal I enjoyed the most.

[fast coyote]

didnt do thordan ex synced, but i can imagine it being tougher than nidhogg for sure, but nidhogg was by no means a pushover

[woeful prawn]

post ultimate was kinda fucking bullshit

center knockback into not-ice with share marker :D

[elder dawn]

Nidhogg is one of the easier hw primals

Thordan - Ravana - Sephirot - Sophia - nidhogg - zurvan - Bismarck from hardest to easiest HW primals when they were relevant

[pure yoke]

I hate zurvan

[high ether]

skip soar

[pure yoke]

https://puu.sh/tqcVm/b3762646cd.png

Become soar

[primal belfry]

My PLD friend has questions about Bib

Normally he pulls Bib in Shield

[torn kindle]

bib?

[vital cypress]

book dad

[pine beacon]

Bibliotaph

[primal belfry]

But has problems maintaining DPS afterward

[pine beacon]

So, here's the deal

1. Don't put shield oath up
2. People need to diversion, etc.

[pure yoke]

He can do a sword oath rage of halone

Or ask for shadewalker

[pine beacon]

Yeye

[primal belfry]

He feels it could be lack of trust in team because he’s afraid he’ll die in sword

[pine beacon]

Hallowed at 2nd Diffractive

[vital cypress]

it’s not that hard a healing check

[pine beacon]

Then sentinel/rampart when it wears off

[vital cypress]

if that’s what they’re worried about

[primal belfry]

No he’s worried they’ll fail that check

[vital cypress]

that’s what I’m saying :x

hit fey union and go on your way

[primal belfry]

Oh I thought by them you meant the PLD

[pine beacon]

It's healer bait. Reprisal 2 of the diffractives, SiO/DV one of the others (or both if PLD/WAR).

[vital cypress]

mitigation is obviously a Good Idea

[pine beacon]

The real danger in that phase is to whoever has Biblio

[primal belfry]

SiO?

He has Bib

[pine beacon]

Yes. He has Bib

[primal belfry]

WAR MT/ PLD OT

[pine beacon]

Yes

I'm saying that the diffractives when mitigated aren't a big deal, and that they're bait for the healers. "Oh no! This raidwide!!!" Instead of taking care of the bigspook tank damage

[primal belfry]

Got it

So he should tell the healers to focus on the tanks not the diffractives