#endgame-lounge

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tiny kraken
lucid karma
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4.3 hitting soon, I'd hold on

blazing pelican
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!whologs @blazing pelican

storm frostBOT
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Yen Moonvow of Jenova
FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Astrologian: (1099/9159) [2141.19 DPS] [92.9 Historical] [7:06]
Scholar: (360/12857) [3158.53 DPS] [96.4 Historical] [6:16]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Scholar: (485/12315) [3150.45 DPS] [98.3 Historical] [7:35]
White Mage: (4572/14289) [2112.34 DPS] [76.3 Historical] [8:31]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Scholar: (257/9237) [3122.21 DPS] [96.8 Historical] [9:20]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Scholar: (183/7322) [3052.78 DPS] [97.2 Historical] [5:56]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Scholar: (477/5331) [2533.96 DPS] [90.8 Historical] [9:20]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.
blazing pelican
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got a new pb on O5S

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I messed up really bad too

sleek belfry
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Oh that's a thing?

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!whologs @sleek belfry

storm frostBOT
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Eribiok Oosquiai of Ragnarok
FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Summoner: (481/7738) [6132.09 DPS] [95.0 Historical] [6:28]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Bard: (9643/11345) [4532.09 DPS] [34.0 Historical] [10:11]
Summoner: (487/7320) [6519.66 DPS] [93.6 Historical] [7:16]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Summoner: (1030/5151) [6022.88 DPS] [89.2 Historical] [10:15]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Summoner: (302/4119) [5961.71 DPS] [95.0 Historical] [6:23]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Summoner: (1297/3090) [6094.18 DPS] [60.5 Historical] [10:11]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.
sleek belfry
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REEEEEE 60 on godka

steady pebble
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grey cat 😮

sleek belfry
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redeyes what?

steady pebble
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not your parses :x just commenting on your moon kitty. don't usually see grey cats/elezens

sleek belfry
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Grey cat best cat 👌

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Shit I should meme and get grey parses for the grey cat

steady pebble
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its not worth the memes xD

candid fable
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.

sour solstice
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Anyway

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as Faye was saying

wet stag
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also where they let one guy aoe

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if there are adds

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because thats padding

candid fable
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In my experience, 98+ tends to be where the real padding comes in

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Sounds like padding is really prevalent in this game

sour solstice
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Also

candid fable
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Compared to others

shy osprey
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BLM penta flare foul foul on o5s mmm

wet stag
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nah people pad from 95+

candid fable
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Which isn't strictly a bad thing imo

wet stag
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it kind of is

sour solstice
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One of the major raid buffs is the AST cards

wet stag
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but sure to each their own

sour solstice
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Which can be focused onto a single target instead of AoE'd

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this is less efficient

candid fable
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Interesting

sour solstice
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but its great for padding

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!action The Balance

storm frostBOT
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**The Balance** : lvl 30 Astrologian (30 second cooldown)

Increases damage dealt by a party member or self by 10%.
Duration: 30s

candid fable
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I guess part of the disparity is down to WoW having removed almost all focused buffs at this point

sour solstice
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!action Royal Road

storm frostBOT
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**Royal Road** : lvl 35 Astrologian (15 second cooldown)

Return the currently drawn arcanum back to your deck to enhance the effect of the next card.
Bole and Balance: 150% potency
Arrow and Spear: Doubled duration
Ewer and Spire: 50% potency, extends effect to nearby targets

candid fable
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It's all raidwide passive stuff

shadow pollen
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Don't forget about the true padding

sour solstice
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more often than not people Spire/Ewer the balance

shadow pollen
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!action Trick Attack

storm frostBOT
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**Trick Attack** : lvl 18 Rogue (60 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 240.
400 when executed from a target's rear.
Rear Bonus: Increases target's damage taken by 10%
Duration: 10s
Can only be executed while under the effect of Hide.

sour solstice
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but you can spear or bole it

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TA/Litany/whatever the SCH crit skill is

wet stag
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chain stratagem

shadow pollen
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!action Chain Statagem

storm frostBOT
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**Chain Stratagem** : lvl 66 Scholar (120 second cooldown)

Increases rate at which target takes critical hits by 15%.
Duration: 15s

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.
candid fable
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This is pretty new stuff tbh

sour solstice
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Did anyone ever answer the question about cleave/highuptime/lowuptime/AoE?

candid fable
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Uuuh

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You said there's no cleave

sour solstice
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Yeah

candid fable
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People said there's not much bottlenecked by AOE

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And most fights are high uptime apparently

wet stag
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only one fight, really

sour solstice
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Some are higher than others

candid fable
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But that latter point is a bit meaningless without more context

wet stag
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where aoe is the fuckin floodgate

candid fable
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Are most fights 100% uptime?

wet stag
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only 1 fight is true 100% uptime

candid fable
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cause that'd be nice

wet stag
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o6s

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o8s is like 99% uptime

shadow pollen
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Yeah O6S is near 100% uptime

candid fable
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How low does it get and which fight would you say is lowest?

wet stag
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well god kefka anyway

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uh

shadow pollen
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Thordan?

candid fable
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I'd like to compare 100% uptime with the lowest on logs

wet stag
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i mean

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this tier

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kekfaust, probably

shadow pollen
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Yeah this tier has been extremely high on uptime shenanigans

wet stag
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its like 85% uptime

shadow pollen
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The speedrun strats have shifted from getting uptime to just LB-building

candid fable
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What's o6s?

wet stag
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the 6th (s)avage fight in the (o)mega series of raids

candid fable
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Ah right

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So just to make sure I have this right

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train is o6s?

hybrid rapids
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o5s

shadow pollen
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Nope, Train is O5S

candid fable
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Demon is 6 then

hybrid rapids
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correct

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i felt that this tier is tiring as a melee

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you have to doing like 40~ CPM average

shadow pollen
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O5S and O6S are boring because lol no positionals

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You think it's fun until you realize half the fun is movements

hybrid rapids
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o6s no positional? 2think

candid fable
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And o6s was meant to be lower uptime than typical?

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I find it interesting that ranged are punished in those circumstances

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Are there any specific anti-ranged mechs?

hybrid rapids
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you can easily have 98% uptime in o6s

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no

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you just shooting it

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whole fight

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pew pew pew

shadow pollen
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Ranged get their own set of mechanics in some fights but for O6S no it's just blob moving

candid fable
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Ah right, I must have misunderstood earlier then

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And as for percentiles

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For context, I'm used to 99% being achievable in WoW without padding in ST fights

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Since group buffs here work differently, 90% is about the equivalent?

wet stag
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its possible here, but a minority

sour solstice
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You can have a 95ish without padding

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I think

wet stag
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yeah

shadow pollen
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Yeah, the damage variance can vary depending on comp and/or gear

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But that's to an extreme

sour solstice
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plus I mean

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certain groups can have all 99%s

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like that log tiff posted

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my bad 2 98s

candid fable
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That's super spicy tho

dull radish
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yeah you can definitely get 99's without padding, even without an ideal comp for you

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but there's just a lot of factors on top of you just, being very good

wet stag
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you better be the fuckinb est player then

candid fable
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Sounds like a lot of fun to be had tbh

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Padding is half the fun for me

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lol

sour solstice
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Since the fights are scripted

wet stag
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personally i frown upon padded runs

sour solstice
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with some few excpetions like Kefka doing some meme shit

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and O5s boxes

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you can really get into the optimization

candid fable
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Well execution is all well and good but once you have encounters down, what is there left to do?

sour solstice
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Ultimate

shadow pollen
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Ultimate yeah

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I hope they keep the ilvl sync

candid fable
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What's that?

sour solstice
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its a special, seperate encounter

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Its some pretty crazy shit

candid fable
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And how does this relate to not padding

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Or is it just meant to be a hard encounter?

sour solstice
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most people wipe in the first 30 seconds

shadow pollen
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Yeah its meant to be a hard encounter solely for bragging rights

sour solstice
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and that sweet sweet glam

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its around the difficulty of some of the harder M 11/11s

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Its a reimagined version of a previous boss

shadow pollen
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The savage raids had their difficulty lowered deliberately over the past few tiers for Lots Of Reasons and Ultimate is tailored specifically for the people who want that long prog and transmog reward

candid fable
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Oh cool

sour solstice
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this time, its Ultima Weapon

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the endboss of ARR

shadow pollen
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Yeah

candid fable
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But even that will be padded tho

sour solstice
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Which unfortunately

shadow pollen
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The first one was Ultimate Binding Coil of Bahamut

sour solstice
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means the tier is called Ultima Weapon Ultimate

candid fable
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Nothing is immune to padding

sour solstice
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or UwU for short

candid fable
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oh no

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why

shadow pollen
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It's slightly impossible to pad because the timers are extremely tight

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3 minutes - 3 minutes, 6-8 minutes IIRC, 3 minutes, 1-2 minutes separate DPS check timers IIRC

dull radish
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It's a effort more to just clear, people don't do parse runs of that content

shadow pollen
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(Twintania, Nael, Bahamut, Twin+Nael, Golden Bahamut Experience Requiem)

sour solstice
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maybe that memelord that got litterally every drop could do a parse run

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thats some MonkaS levels of commitment

candid fable
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Looking at some of these encounters tho

shadow pollen
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Plus the mechanics demand zero deaths or lol total wipe no checkpoints

candid fable
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There seems to hardly be a 10% difference between any classes' worst case and best case scenarios

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Variance between encounters seems extremely low

sour solstice
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O5s is where you will find the most difference between top and bottom

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player wise

candid fable
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Oh, I'm just talking about variance within a single class

sour solstice
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yeah

candid fable
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Between difference encounter types

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Ah right, I got you

sour solstice
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oh I see

candid fable
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But yeah, is that because different classes are homogenous?

sour solstice
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Not really

candid fable
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Or because encounters don't vary much?

sour solstice
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its just they are all single target geared

wet stag
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encounters are literally the same each time lol

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with the exception of ghost boxes in o5s

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and pattern in o7s

candid fable
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Oh I don't mean variance between pulls

sour solstice
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and Kefka's meming

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dont forget that

candid fable
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I mean variance in the design of different encounters

wet stag
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otherwise all mechanics happen in the exact same order

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oh

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they used to vary quite a bit

paper torrent
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Oh hey look a static in recruiting looking for o7s

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sees 3/8

candid fable
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For example in WoW certain classes could be fucked by as much as 30% going from one boss to another

shadow pollen
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they're slowly experimenting with that but it's still the same circle/square arena overall

paper torrent
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Oo... o no

shadow pollen
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Ooooh, noooo there's no variance like that

candid fable
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Uptime in that game is really low and DPS phase durations/timings vary a lot

shadow pollen
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One of the things they try to push is that all classes can clear all content

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The only real bad example of that is Mog EX and that was what, 2.2

candid fable
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I'll have to reserve judgment on whether I like or dislike that until I've reached that content, but it sounds interesting

sour solstice
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its because its all ST

candid fable
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Fair enough

sour solstice
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and you can optimize uptime

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I mean sure

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you could hide behind the rock at the start of the cast on O6s, for example

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or you could ride your GCD and not miss a single cast

shadow pollen
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Yeah don't expect WoW's insanity for different bosses/experimentation

sour solstice
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yeah

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Theres ups and downs to that

candid fable
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Kind of a shame but I also kind of hated that sometimes, looking back

sour solstice
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Maiden feelschromosomeman

candid fable
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Some bosses were just "blizz wtf were you thinking"

shadow pollen
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It's more akin to dancing + multiple mechanics from previous encounters mashed up in interesting ways

sour solstice
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Second intermission KJ

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Hell, one of the bosses has fake AoE markers

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thats some funny shit the first time

candid fable
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lol

shadow pollen
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Yeah the encounter design for this is more, how to call it

sour solstice
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It plays a special sound and has a differnt particle effect

shadow pollen
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Streamlined is a word for it?

sour solstice
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and hits everywhere BUT that aoe marker

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fucking hillarious

candid fable
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Tame?

shadow pollen
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They deliberately reuse markers in different encounters

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Stacks, spreads, AoE indicators

sour solstice
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Consistent

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with some exceptions

shadow pollen
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Four arrows in a circle pointing in will always be a stack, arrows are usually spread, eye is look-away

sour solstice
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Mostly just O8s

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fucks with that

shadow pollen
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Yeah O8S deliberately plays with that + a bit of snap memorization

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Chain connecting one player to another is usually keepaway from each other

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so on and so forth

candid fable
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nice

shadow pollen
candid fable
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Oh that's an interesting blog

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I'll have to save that

sour solstice
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The trials (one off fights that are sprinkled throughout the MSQ and have harder versions later) almost always have an intermission where theres mechanics while a boss is charging an ultimate attack

shadow pollen
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The fight itself is 2 years out of date but the base stuff still applies overall

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Consistency and peaks/valleys of spectacle and movement

sour solstice
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and the more mechanics you fuck up the more damage you take

candid fable
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Seems to be similar to GW2 encounter design, if you've played that

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Except GW2 had lots of potential to skip mechs with brute force

sour solstice
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you can

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its just part of speedrun memes normally

shadow pollen
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^

sour solstice
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Like using LB3 to skip final graven

candid fable
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I should specify

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GW2 was VERY dominated by brute force

shadow pollen
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The only fight with deliberate skips in prog was A11S and that's a special case

sour solstice
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ah

candid fable
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The dmg we did was massively in excess of that intended

sour solstice
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that uh

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sounds like someone fucked up

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lmao

candid fable
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This blog is great btw

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Thanks for that @shadow pollen

shadow pollen
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No problem

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Helps to explain the differences between the two

candid fable
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Pretty much answers all my quesitons, on some level or other

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Again, you guys have been massively helpful

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Gonna go get some more levelling done

shadow pollen
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Enjoy it

sour solstice
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fun fact

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the second trial in the story has a 1 shot mechanic

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Thats always a fun one to get on your roulettes

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noob WHMs eating landslide :^)

woeful prawn
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i died to him slamming and knocking off outer ring

sour solstice
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classic

glossy musk
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Ah landslide is the best

ivory tiger
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can now get to 10% on phantom train <_>

zinc vortex
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nice

ivory tiger
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only started prog like this week

zinc vortex
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just a little more

ivory tiger
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pfinder

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yeayeayea

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i can do ittt

unreal lance
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tfw Thordan is harder than every trial in SB

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:v

ivory tiger
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i loved that fight

pure yoke
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Thordan EX or Thordan NM?

stable basin
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Thordan is so fun

unreal lance
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Thordan EX

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duh

pure yoke
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idk

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as much as hard content sounds like

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EX Primals sounds like fucking aids

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in today's PF

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since you need to clear like 99 times

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for a bird

sour solstice
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oh hey mug

unreal lance
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that's not a good excuse to make them easy though

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lmfao

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but eh w/e

pure yoke
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sorry I'm just some stupid Stormblood baby

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who never experienced hard content

ivory tiger
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YOU ARE STRONGER THAN I DARED HOPE

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RESILIENT SOULS I SOLUTE YOU

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and then wehave

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snake noises

unreal lance
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I'm a jaded HW baby

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:v

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doesn't really matter

stable basin
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I love how in Thordan after you survive his big boy attack he just starts swinging wildly

sour solstice
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Not in EX he doesnt

stable basin
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In NM he does

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Great storytelling through a fight there

mighty shale
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i got to the end of thordan then the group trialing me all died for some reason

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i was tanking

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thordan easy on tank

pure yoke
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I remember

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when I trial'd for my new static in Deltascape

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we got to Neverwhere at 5%

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then everyone jumped

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I was like "I needed the page"

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(I never got the page that week)

mighty shale
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rip my good friend mug

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I think if I stayed in my closed minded fc, I probably wouldn't have joined this server and learned how to be better at the game

unreal flax
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lmaooooo what the fuck

lunar carbon
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I wonder how Byakko is at ilv370

sullen sable
pure yoke
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I remember

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when Virsath was elite raider

sullen sable
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i don't

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my best o1s was in a pug dogekek

boreal edge
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virsath was elite raider?

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when?

sullen sable
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i did get all oranges, but i don't think that qualifies

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as elite

pure yoke
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hey man

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I didn't get Orange in the only tier that matters

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in Heavensward

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when all Content was challenging

boreal edge
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creator?

sullen sable
boreal edge
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was orange really matters there

pure yoke
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back when even Thordan NM wiped pugs

sullen sable
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lmao

boreal edge
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nm?

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it was

pure yoke
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now any Monkey can do Ultimate

boreal edge
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dummy

pure yoke
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because it's Stormblood

sullen sable
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heavensward was gud

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i miss it

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wish i had the connections i do now back then

boreal edge
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creator wasnt any harder than sigma to me

sullen sable
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creator wasn't a big deal

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but most of the jobs got easier from hw to sb

pure yoke
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BabyRage Even A9S was harder than O8S BabyRage

sullen sable
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LOL

boreal edge
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lol

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if you cant kill a9s in 2 hours

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then idk what to tell u lol

sullen sable
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they basically kept the difficulty the same from creator until now

boreal edge
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delta was abit easier

sullen sable
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yea

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well

boreal edge
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to some degree

sullen sable
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neo was harder than anything in creator

boreal edge
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nope

sullen sable
boreal edge
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if u seen 2nd void

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gl

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galaxy brain

pure yoke
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I seen people

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legit say Neo was alot harder than Godka

sullen sable
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iunno, maybe it's just healer perspect- what

boreal edge
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godka is damn tough

zinc vortex
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neo was harder than godka

boreal edge
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as tank/healer

zinc vortex
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imo

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but im a monkkey

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monkey

sullen sable
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lmao

pure yoke
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like

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in Neo Exdeath

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the literal strat for dps in GCD

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is

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"Don't do anything"

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Stand on the Dorito

sullen sable
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yeah lol

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that fight must be awful for dps

boreal edge
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i find exdad harder than neo

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fuck those holes

zinc vortex
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ur a hole

boreal edge
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GCO strat

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7 ppl go die

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have healer LB3

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and go for kill

sullen sable
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lmao

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big brain strat

pure yoke
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Allagan Field can't die

unreal flax
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HEY! That was the strat on my first clear lmao

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Or rather, it was the result

sullen sable
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s'how itgoes

unreal flax
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If I remember correctly, lksaar was the one that actually did it lol

pure yoke
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I remember back in Heavensward

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I looked up to most of you

boreal edge
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i wish if 3rd forsaken can be skipped like that

pure yoke
boreal edge
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now you are tainted elitist raider

sullen sable
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lmao

pure yoke
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I just got picky with who I played with now

zinc vortex
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i mean that's not a bad thing

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im picky too when it comes to who i play with

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pretty sure everybody is in some kinda way

pure yoke
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like ummm

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this tier

lunar carbon
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I hate playing with people I know, I love randoms

pure yoke
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I literally only raided with

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2 groups this tier

lunar carbon
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said no one ever

pure yoke
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Delta was 3 groups

zinc vortex
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ive raided with the exact same 7 people

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since the start of this tier up until now

unreal lance
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I literally raided with 0 groups this tier

zinc vortex
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no pugs

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no friends either

pure yoke
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like if it ain't with my static

zinc vortex
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just my casual free company group

pure yoke
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it better be worth my time

zinc vortex
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oh i just dont bother playing the game at all

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if its not for raiding with my fc

unreal lance
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my FC is too casual

pure yoke
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I'm happy to do stuff like

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Triple Melee Savage

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for good time

zinc vortex
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and thats only 2 hours a week

unreal lance
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attracts too many 30-60 year olds with a brain of moosh

zinc vortex
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i have a shitton of single player games i want to play

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so not feeling the pressure of having to do things in xiv is nice

unreal lance
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sweet people, just not good at the game

pure yoke
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I aspire to play with the big boys

boreal edge
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@unreal lance someone forgot his 1000 dps in o5s

zinc vortex
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i just wanna have fun

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the people i currently play with

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are some of the most pleasant and hilarious people ive ever met online

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im in a very good place

lunar carbon
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I'm part of my FC's static

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been part of it since 4.0

pure yoke
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I am in a Sarg Static

unreal lance
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I mean I was dead half the fight and didn't actually know anything about the fight

boreal edge
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at least you werent literally last mch in there

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so thats good

sudden wharf
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Is it just me or is it kind of dead today for some reason? Usually at this time of day there are a bunch of weekly clear PFs, and people looking to get into them.

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But right now there's hardly anything.

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Well, hardly anything might be an exaggeration, but it seems like the parties halved from the previous weeks.

lunar carbon
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we are at the very end of 4.2 :o

paper torrent
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Yeah a lot of people have already gotten the gear they want at this point

lunar carbon
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or gave up on endgame entirely

sudden wharf
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Well I haven't! That's what I get for starting late, I guess.

paper torrent
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A lot of statics are recruiting for kefaust prog now

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Or UWU coming up

lunar carbon
#

in terms of gaming experience you missed a lot for joining late

#

in terms of gear, new 24-man is coming :D

sudden wharf
#

Yeah, I'll be sure to start savage week 1 in 4.4.

lunar carbon
#

I'm still doing kefaust prog, and prolly won't clear it before 4.3

sudden wharf
#

It's typical to vit meld right side for week 1 savage, right?

lunar carbon
#

vit on right side for prog, yes.

#

more HP means more chances to mess up and not die.

sudden wharf
#

Right, because I was thinking that hp and defense values would be low starting off.

lunar carbon
#

that too.

sudden wharf
#

So some mechanics might just wipe the party.

paper torrent
#

Prog in general vit is useful

sullen sable
#

Vit melds for prog

#

Highly recommended

woeful prawn
#

blood for blood niggas be like

pine beacon
#

Ye. Vit is so nice for PuGs and prog

#

38k HP melees got me sweating

sullen sable
woeful prawn
#

38k melees die to raw ultimas

torn kindle
#

healers adjust. haha

karmic stag
#

Is that a dead dragoon? If so how is it surprising and how will some little vit bois stop a dragoon from hitting the floor

azure hill
#

No, he has 3 hp left

#

Literally

torn kindle
#

Hell he would be dead too if he was a race with less base VIT

sour solstice
#

What race was he I wonder

karmic stag
#

Roe 3c

#

Imagine a roe using jump

azure hill
#

Still less awkward than a maleroe in the AST Anemos gear

torn kindle
#

Male Roes in BLM gear always look silly

#

Especially the Goetia set

unique wigeon
#

what ilvl is the new 24man gear gonna be?

#

360?

steady pebble
#

should be

#

24mans are usually same ilvl as base tomestone

bronze rover
#

I heard its gunna be 355

torn kindle
#

no reason why it should be tho

steady pebble
#

why would it be 355?

torn kindle
#

considering past 24-mans

bronze rover
#

since its the second part 24 man

#

the second 24 man during HW cycle was 235

torn kindle
#

they've always been the base ilvl of the capped tomestone gear upgraded

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no it was i230

steady pebble
#

yafaemi was 230

#

lolwot

torn kindle
#

!item Yafeaemi

storm frostBOT
#
Error!

Item not found, Kupo!

torn kindle
#

!item Yafaemi

storm frostBOT
#
**Yafaem Wildgrass** : Miscellany

After gysahl greens, there's no other verdure a race chocobo would rather sink its beak into.

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.
bronze rover
#

!item Yafaemi Belt of Aiming

storm frostBOT
#
**Yafaemi Belt of Aiming** **:** Waist **:** ilvl 230
Defense

158

Magic Defense

158

Dexterity

56

Vitality

60

Critical Hit

34

Determination

47

Materia Meldable

Yes

torn kindle
#

heck

bronze rover
#

huh

#

what am I thinking of

steady pebble
#

as was the eikonic gear

#

!item hellfire breeches of striking

storm frostBOT
#
**Hellfire Breeches of Striking** **:** Legs **:** ilvl 230
Defense

255

Magic Defense

255

Strength

121

Vitality

131

Direct Hit Rate

106

Determination

71

Materia Meldable

Yes

steady pebble
#

so yeah idk what you're thinking of

bronze rover
#

!item Diabolic Belt of Aiming

storm frostBOT
#
**Diabolic Belt of Aiming** **:** Waist **:** ilvl 260
Defense

162

Magic Defense

162

Dexterity

72

Vitality

80

Critical Hit

40

Determination

54

Materia Meldable

Yes

steady pebble
#

shire is 260

bronze rover
#

I swore there was something that was 235

#

or 265

#

maybe diadem?

steady pebble
#

probably diadem

#

but that is irrelevant tho

bronze rover
#

yeah...

steady pebble
#

in terms of like 24man/tomestone

bronze rover
#

makes sense then yeah

#

probably is gunna be 360

woeful prawn
#

235 was deep dungeon

torn kindle
#

Yeah so Jenga tower will likely give i355 weapons if I had to guess

#

maybe i365

heavy mist
#

5.7k on god with getting hit by 2 trines and 2 dmg downs + a revive

#

how the frick 🤔

#

HOW 🤔

blazing pelican
#

I have to see this

#

!whologs @heavy mist

storm frostBOT
#
Rider Arkwright of Jenova
FFLogs Data (Damage)
**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Dragoon: (2120/10601) [5418.75 DPS] [92.4 Historical] [7:45]
Warrior: (7801/13450) [3291.49 DPS] [42.1 Historical] [9:14]
Paladin: (4139/14785) [3599.42 DPS] [72.6 Historical] [8:03]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Dragoon: (1961/10325) [6031.85 DPS] [90.3 Historical] [8:21]
Paladin: (5372/14519) [3954.49 DPS] [64.2 Historical] [8:50]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Dragoon: (1267/7453) [5536.69 DPS] [85.8 Historical] [10:33]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Dragoon: (1552/5972) [5323.45 DPS] [77.8 Historical] [6:31]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Dragoon: (1483/4496) [5779.71 DPS] [67.8 Historical] [9:58]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.
paper torrent
#

fake news

#

oh wait i thought he said NIN

heavy mist
#

no as DRG

#

we barely cleared

#

i was gonna leave cause im like, this is trap party 💤

blazing pelican
#

yeah quick question

#

wtf is wrong with the rest of your dps

heavy mist
#

?

#

where

blazing pelican
#

all 3 of them

#

died

heavy mist
#

oh i dunno

#

good question

#

ah i had 5 Dmg downs

#

FeelsBad

#

2 from trine 💤

blazing pelican
#

2 of them during starstrafe

heavy mist
#

Boss positioning was super weird

#

we did vertical skulls

#

im like 🤢

paper torrent
#

NA PUGS LUL

blazing pelican
#

Vertical?

#

explain

heavy mist
#

the week 1/2 strat

#

before cross skulls

blazing pelican
#

oh

#

I think I'm going to be ill

heavy mist
#

the tank wanted it

#

I'm like its cause u lazy af

blazing pelican
#

the tank can suck my dick

#

no

#

I'm the fucking healer and I don't even approve

heavy mist
#

hmm thought i died, cant remember cause of the healer lb3

paper torrent
#

the tank can suck my dick

heavy mist
#

5 dmg down still is 🤢

paper torrent
#

same

heavy mist
#

also som SCH claiming to be Momo's Alt

#

im like haha

paper torrent
#

Uhuh

#

sure

blazing pelican
#

momo has alts? ablobthinkingfast

heavy mist
#

yeah

#

he actually has one in Bryn

#

but this person aint from Bryn LUL

zinc vortex
#

My group still does vertical skulls 😌

heavy mist
#

👀

#

next u gonna be telling u guys do cross strat from JP for 2nd forsaken

paper torrent
#

jokes on you all

#

i'm STILL STUCK ON O7S

#

i'm the real winner here

blazing pelican
#

have you tried not being bad

paper torrent
heavy mist
#

🏆

#

heres a trophy

blazing pelican
zinc vortex
#

were a nice casual group

paper torrent
#

soon i will hit o8s

#

once i get that dank tuesday pug meme

zinc vortex
#

idk anything about pug strats or jp straps or whatever

blazing pelican
#

wait

zinc vortex
#

we just have our own homebrew garbage

heavy mist
#

Cross Strat is actually worse haha

blazing pelican
#

what's the cross strat for 2nd forsaken

zinc vortex
#

but it works

heavy mist
#

its hilarious

#

well the melee start south

blazing pelican
#

ok...

heavy mist
#

and move north alongside the edges

#

similar to range

blazing pelican
#

ok...

heavy mist
#

the tank + healer

#

stand in a cross formation

paper torrent
#

grand cross omega PTSD

heavy mist
#

and either stand north or south to bait future/past

#

all together

blazing pelican
#

...I'm sorry, I thought you just typed something unspeakably stupid, could you say that again for me?

heavy mist
#

no

#

cause after watching Arthars

#

im like no wonder these people are crazy

#

in JP our strat is called the South Strat for some reason

#

which is infinitely better 👀

paper torrent
#

Yen sass is best sass

wet stag
#

Muh uptime reeeeeeee

paper torrent
#

MUH MELEE MEMES

heavy mist
#

and i think kefka is in a spot where even range loses uptime

#

after a certain point

wet stag
#

No

heavy mist
#

dunno tho

wet stag
#

Kefka is just south of mid

heavy mist
#

oh its okay then 👀

zinc vortex
#

we have tanks and healers mid for clones

wet stag
#

Does ranged lose uptime with south strat tho

zinc vortex
woeful prawn
#

alex....

zinc vortex
#

we didnt use guides during prog and now that we have it on farm we never bothered to try new things

#

cmon

wet stag
#

I mean if it works

zinc vortex
#

its horrible

wet stag
#

I really don't have an issue with it

zinc vortex
#

but it works

#

We have melee start south for aoes then move north as well.

#

in a line from south all the way to north

heavy mist
#

range probably does lose uptime when kefka moves to tank

zinc vortex
#

yeah

heavy mist
#

cause its pretty freaking far

zinc vortex
#

depends on where he moves to

#

I sometimes lose a gcd

wet stag
#

As long as you get the clear ¯_(ツ)_/¯

zinc vortex
#

yeah

#

nobody's complaining haha

#

im the person that cares the most about parses in the entire group

#

and even I barely care

#

actually my pld/drk cares a fair amount more than i do

#

but he's a good player so it's fine

paper torrent
#

stronk lala drk

zinc vortex
#

I always jokingly say that if not breathing would increase his uptime he'd probably stop breathing haha

primal oak
#

@heavy mist the JP PUG strat is actually the cross strat

#

very annoying geblobcatshrug

#

my static did go with south strat too but we're disbanding after our next clear

#

(scheduling getting really difficult, at least 3 other people leaving anyway including both tanks, and I want to change main)

heavy mist
#

yeah i know

#

wait did i not say that

vivid heart
#

Im trying to decide which of these to main, WAR/NIN/AST.

I mained WAR from 2.0-3.0, then did SCH/NIN 3.0-4.0

Which of those will have an easier time getting into groups and such?

#

I'll play all of them, but i dont know which ones i should focus on the most

paper torrent
#

If you an omni healer or tank, you're fucking golden

#

i find that in my experience, good NINs are in demand

#

i think WAR is a bit too overstaturated as a class to say it will have the easiest time getting into statics

blazing pelican
#

A good healer is worth their weight in gold

paper torrent
#

yeah that more os

#

if you can literally good flex

#

my god

vivid heart
#

I was thinking about maining AST this time around anyways

#

With either NIN or WAR in second place to it

blazing pelican
#

AST's big thing is Earthly Star

#

Knowing how and when you should be using it is extremely important

#

Any dumbass can use cards

paper torrent
#

AST in prog tho

blazing pelican
#

_>

paper torrent
#

Literal suffering

blazing pelican
#

yeah let's not talk about that

#

and everything you've heard about Main healer/ off healer?

#

throw it in a shredder

#

then incinerate the remains

paper torrent
#

healers share the memes

#

Of drg standing in aoe

blazing pelican
#

share the memes, share the dreams

vivid heart
#

Yeah i did a bit of prog savage as SCH in HW

#

off healer isnt a thing anymore?

blazing pelican
#

share the responsibility is the important thing

#

lol no, not with stance dancing no longer being a thing

paper torrent
#

It was never really a thing to begin with

#

If you played the cleric memes right anyway

hybrid rapids
#

yen that's a nice roadmap lol

blazing pelican
#

thanks I didn't make it, Pitter did it

#

I'll pass it along though

hybrid rapids
#

you can try to recruit from balance as well

blazing pelican
#

already posted

hybrid rapids
#

got deleted i think lol

#

you have to follow their rules

#

can't post image i think

paper torrent
#

I wonder why they don't have that disabled to begin with if that's the case

hybrid rapids
#

i meant you can post image + follows the rules

blazing pelican
#

oh it never got posted there

hybrid rapids
#

you have to put those tag

#

easier for other to search etc idk

#

put tags and details then the image

paper torrent
#

Good luck on the UwU recruitment and prog Yen

blazing pelican
#

Something about the way I did it made it so the image didn't autoload

#

should keep me out of trouble

boreal cypress
#

So, not that I'm complaining, but why is NIN considered so good right now?

dull radish
#

Trick Attack for quite a bit of rDPS contribution, and to a lesser now but still notable point, party enmity tools with Shadewalker/Smokescreen

grizzled seal
#

also slashing is pretty valueable if you don't have a warrior

dull radish
#

Yeah. Though you should really have a WAR. But still a fair point to make

lucid karma
#

enmity tools are quite strong when done right

#

WHM might caught themselves eating up enmity in prog and lucid on CD

#

so smokescreen helps

boreal edge
#

with how strong diversion now it doesnt do that much impact anymore

#

except 1st min at godka

lucid karma
#

I didn't talk about diversion did I

#

so NIN aggro tools still has their use

#

because hey there are still idiots who forgot to use their own diversion/aggo util

boreal cypress
#

Hm, I guess I should keep those more in mind than I usually do.

stable basin
#

@boreal edge smoke bomb on white mage blobcatgooglymelt

boreal edge
#

did say 1st min on godkais special case

stable basin
#

1st forsaken is all the first minute? blobcatgooglyconfused

#

It doesn't feel like that at all.

sullen sable
#

Up to first forsaken is one min

#

Roughly

sour solstice
#

is buying a pre penta'd wrist for 1 mil likely to save me money over buying a blank for 400k?

steady pebble
#

Hrm, might want to check the prices on materia

#

but potentially

#

you could get lucky, and first try all 4? over melds

sour solstice
#

I mean

#

the overmeld chance is like 7% or some shit for the last one

#

the Vs I need are 2.5

#

and I aint MBing a 6

steady pebble
#

5%

#

tbh tho

sour solstice
#

its probably more worth to just buy all the accesories

steady pebble
#

at this point in the cycle, i dont think getting penta-melded it worth

#

may as well just save your materia for next tier

sour solstice
#

I mean 6s arent that bad to farm

#

its 1 per leveling roulette basically

steady pebble
#

overmelding a 6 is 17%

sour solstice
#

I got time

steady pebble
#

well, up to you hun. you're going to get ptsd from overmelding attempts tho

sour solstice
#

I mean

#

aint gonna be me trying the overmelds

steady pebble
#

you'll get second hand ptsd

#

if you hang around while your crafter friend is doing it

#

just talking about it, i can hear the failure sound

sour solstice
#

I just watched a guy fail 10 crafter's competence 5 overmelds in a row

#

thats some real pain right there

steady pebble
#

poor bastard

#

atleast you can farm red scrips for 5s

sour solstice
#

25k a pop on this server

#

oof

sleek belfry
#

Did someone say overmeld ptsd? abandonment

steady pebble
#

perfect emote for overmeld ptsd

sour solstice
#

wow the WT is garbage this week

#

2.35 GCD

#

you can request meld for items bound to you right?

steady pebble
#

yes

#

just generally easier to do overmelding on an unbound item

sour solstice
#

yeah

#

but my friend is 67 goldsmith

#

and the crafted shit is an upgrade without overmeld anyway

#

due to the STR melds

stable basin
#

huh, maybe I should start selling 5's

#

every time I do my Zhloes and M'naagos I've had to burn a whole bunch of red scrip just to not overcap

#

usually I end up just stockpiling the master books in advance, but it's gonna be a while before I can use them, and sooner or later I'mma run out of ones to get LOL

lunar carbon
#

buy the exp scrolls

#

the 150% (300k) ones

spiral lance
#

Wait. Why stock piling masterbook?

lunar carbon
#

Nadine possibly has crafters to level up, so they buy them beforehand.

spiral lance
#

Ah I see

#

Come 4.3 should be easier to level doh

lunar carbon
#

really good item for mass crafting

#

Yesterday I leveled my BSM from 58 to 59 99% by mass crafting high steel nuggets

#

using these

#

then I turned in a large-scale lv56 levequest for almost 6m exp, went to 61 straight away :D

stable basin
#

Yeah, I still haven't finished leveling my crafters

spiral lance
#

Yup I hoard them before SB but end up forget to use them and just power level my doh with leves lol

lunar carbon
#

!whocrafters @lunar carbon

storm frostBOT
#

Crafters for <Anarth Chalivier>

Alchemist

70

Armorer

61

Blacksmith

61

Carpenter

63

Culinarian

70

Goldsmith

64

Leatherworker

70

Weaver

63

lunar carbon
#

:3c

stable basin
#

so I'll need the master books eventually, and I need to buy something because a full set of 12 custom deliveries gives you way too much red scrip

#

!whocrafters @stable basin

storm frostBOT
#

Crafters for <Nadine Mireille>

Alchemist

59

Armorer

55

Blacksmith

56

Carpenter

53

Culinarian

40

Goldsmith

67

Leatherworker

26

Weaver

26

spiral lance
#

!whocrafters @spiral lance

storm frostBOT
#

Crafters for <Hellwing Secondflame>

Alchemist

70

Armorer

70

Blacksmith

70

Carpenter

70

Culinarian

70

Goldsmith

70

Leatherworker

70

Weaver

70

stable basin
#

Then I have to figure out some way to get the mats for Ala Mhigan gear without having to spend the rest of my life in Sephirot EX

spiral lance
#

Sephirot ex? Or you mean byakko ex?

stable basin
#

well Shinryu EX has a valuable enough drop also

#

but yeah, you get what I mean I think

spiral lance
#

I see

#

I just level my doh for their story and lore

stable basin
#

"without having to spend the rest of my life farming EX just for stuff to sell to buy the gear"

lunar carbon
#

my Miner is lv70

stable basin
#

supposedly the T9 faded copy is worth 1.5-2M here on Siren too but no one buys it

lunar carbon
#

my next class quests is...

#

lv1

#

:)

spiral lance
#

So I didnt gear my crafter lol. Still wearing ironwork sets lol

stable basin
#

I've been trying to delay cratering the market for it, but have had to slowly drop the price because realistic

#

started at 2M like the others. we've all sat, so I tried 1.75M, and so did a couple others, and it still sits

#

so ... trying 1.5M now sigh

#

and by sits I mean it's been two or three weeks since I was in T9

spiral lance
#

I trade some Npc stuff on mb for profit

#

but I earn Gil through map treasure hunt before sb

#

Now I earn most of my Gil from eureka

lunar carbon
#

reminds me that I have 1k chests to open..

#

heavy sigh

spiral lance
#

Rip

lunar carbon
#

a good way to earn Money when 4.3 arrives

#

is selling DoH and DoL materias

spiral lance
#

potentially worth 500k... Maybe

#

Good source for those mats in eureka too

#

If you can bear the grind

stable basin
#

we getting new left side crafting gear or just ala mhigan right side?

#

i'm thinking if farming up the mats for ala mhigan is going to be worth it still

lunar carbon
#

good question

spiral lance
#

Probably right side base on history

#

Left side will probably come at 4.4 on new Omega raid with new recipe

lunar carbon
#

alongside 380 gear

stable basin
#

hrm

#

which is better, 350 anemos rdm body pentamelded or the 360 menda one?

dull radish
#

probably pretty close between the two, with a slight edge to tome one probably?

lunar carbon
#

it depends if the 360 one sucks or not

#

for example, caster ryumyaku armor is really bad for SMN

#

since it gives spell speed, I assume it's not good for RDM too.

#

even though you lose a certain amount of main stats, the tradeoff won't be as harsh if you use the anemos one.

dull radish
#

that's why I said what I said

zinc vortex
#

its something like sps dh or det right

dull radish
#

anemos is det crit for RDM, tome is det spellspeed

zinc vortex
#

i'd probably say the 360 one slightly outweighs

#

but that's my gut feeling

#

i like me some int

dull radish
#

yeah, that's what I said haha

#

it's not like you're sacrificing crit dh for det spellspeed

#

and 10 ilvl worth of INT is pretty cozy

#

it's not bad for filler gear and if you have other tome purchases I'd prioritize those

#

but the tome chest should still be an upgrade, even moreso when you can upgrade it to 370

zinc vortex
#

yeah especially if you're not getting the diamond chest anytime soon

#

or even at all

dull radish
#

mmhmm

stable basin
#

plus sadly when you pug if you choose lower ilvl pieces that are objectively better you can easily find yourself not able to meet PF requirements, depending on the instance and stage of the tier

#

from what I recall of 4.1, tanks in particular have to deal with it all the time towards the end of tiers because of the PFs that want max ilvl for the DPS, but that means BiS tanks don't meet muster

#

I'm still pondering if 350/355 will be the norm for 4.3's EX trial pugs or if PFs are going to start wanting 360 before long

#

(trying to remember how long it was before 350 started becoming the norm for byakko)

zinc vortex
#

i hold the title of alex '13 weeks no loot' ba'kal

#

5 weeks into the tier

#

when people were asking for i360

#

i was like i356

stable basin
#

@zinc vortex that happened to my group leader for an O5S weekly

zinc vortex
#

i had cleared up until kefka but that didn't matter because i didn't have the ilevel

stable basin
#

this SAM had apparently gone the entire tier without seeing even one STR accessory drop

zinc vortex
#

yeah same

stable basin
#

and no, one did not drop that week either

zinc vortex
#

i've seen 1 accesory drop

#

and i need 2 more books to get my last accesory

#

and we're like what, 15 weeks into the tier?

stable basin
#

I literally have more savage gear for NIN than RDM and my NIN is still only level 59

zinc vortex
#

haha same

#

i have more healer and dragoon stuff than i have caster gear

#

thankfully books allowed me to caught up

stable basin
#

a lot of people I know have been prioritizing some degree of versatility over specialization, anyways

zinc vortex
#

and i used tome gear to fill in the gaps

stable basin
#

and will have four or more jobs 350+ but none 360+

zinc vortex
#

still kinda sucks that i had to spend 22 books on o5s accesories when some people in my group are already done gearing their alts

sour solstice
#

is it 6 books per accessory?

stable basin
#

4 for accs, 6 for belts

#

hrm

#

DH or Det for SCH where crit is maxed?

#

I'm kind of leery about DH on healers, because it only benefits half of the job

#

or spell speed, perhaps?

#

ponders

sour solstice
#

iLvl 354 party with lootmaster on

woeful prawn
#

i still host 350 parties

sour solstice
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The specific number+ lootmaster tho

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I respect 350s

sterile geyser
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@stable basin I've been told det

pine beacon
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Det is pretty nice, the DH from food at least gives you the opportunity to get meme Direct Crit broils

glossy musk
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Det. Someone crunched the numbers for DH and found that fully melding DH would give you the same DPS increase that rerolling to a race with higher MND would

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Det at least effects both your DPS and healing a smidgen

dull radish
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It's kinda a crapshoot either way, honestly. The det isn't really gonna be noticeable for your healing either. Difference between the two is probably less than regular damage/healing variance anyways

pure yoke
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Afternoon

dull radish
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Heya

sullen sable
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i melded DH

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because 15k broils give me a stiffy

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and i play better with one of those

sour solstice
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less blood for your brain tho

sullen sable
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it's ok

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i'll slap the keyboard with my 🍆

sour solstice
sullen sable
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yes exactly

pure yoke
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I'll slap your 🍆

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with my 🍆

sullen sable
sour solstice
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blobcatgooglypolice no ERP

lusty oak
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but if we consider DPS measurement as 🍆 size measurement

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does it mean all hardcore raiding is just one big ERP arena?

sour solstice
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shit you right

sullen sable
sour solstice
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someone tell the balance

scenic patrol
blazing pelican
tiny kraken
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Erm.. for Savage weekly 2 chests, is [Duty Completion][Duty Complete] change anything compared to [Loot][Duty Complete]?

wet stag
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No

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Shouldn't be

tiny kraken
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Okay just making sure because one of the people in my party said that putting duty completion on instead of loot guarantees 2 chest party

wet stag
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No pf requirements only limit people by duty complete or duty incomplete

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If you wanna guarantee 2 chest you gotta queue under rf as duty completion instead of practice

sour solstice
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df savage feelschromosomeman

hybrid rapids
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Completion > Complete PFs, the word complete will be grey out for me

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But I never tried to join

wet stag
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No I mean

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After your party fills

hybrid rapids
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No, I meant can you even join completion > complete? I know the word will turn grey for me if I completed it current week

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But didn’t tried to join

last galleon
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I’ve joined clear parties with the duty completion tag before even though I already cleared for the week

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I don’t think it turns grey for me either...?

wet stag
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Yeah joining parties isn't the issue

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But if the party lead queues for duty completion it won't work

last galleon
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Yeah, I got the ‘party member does not fulfill conditions’ when they tried queueing with completion. But the tag on PF doesn’t stop you

severe notch
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what's min hp needed for o8s again?

scenic patrol
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For what exactly?

severe notch
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to survive

scenic patrol
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As what?

severe notch
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ohh sorry drg

scenic patrol
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47K

hybrid rapids
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👀

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no

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like 44~45k is fine as a melee dps

scenic patrol
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Forsaken does 47K

hybrid rapids
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you don't eat it raw

scenic patrol
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And if healers or tanks are derp

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Than you die

hybrid rapids
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raw one would kill a healer as well

scenic patrol
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Also B4B

hybrid rapids
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minimum HP

severe notch
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group i'm trialing for won't be derp and i'll hold b4b

scenic patrol
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44k-45K then

severe notch
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just trialing for different data center one on alt so i'm poor and undergeared

scenic patrol
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Should be fine

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Even 43K

severe notch
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i'm at 44k atm with food

scenic patrol
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Just eat Yo food

stoic oasis
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eat your pork soup

severe notch
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just need to know if i need more vit melds

stoic oasis
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wasnt vit melds only needed in UCOB?

hybrid rapids
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45k is the safe spot

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nah

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progression

scenic patrol
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At low ilvl I would still VIT meld for Godka

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It's more safe

severe notch
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and with my alt ilvl i'm basiclly progression

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and true

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at ilvl 348

hybrid rapids
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i'm still using full vit meld

severe notch
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same on main

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but alt is poor

scenic patrol
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The DPS difference is very little

stoic oasis
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uhh isnt godka 350 required?

hybrid rapids
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no

scenic patrol
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It is

hybrid rapids
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pre-made

scenic patrol
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But you don't need ilvl Req for pre made

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You bypass it

stoic oasis
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oh

scenic patrol
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Completely

stoic oasis
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goes to show you how much i pug shit

severe notch
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and i cleared before so don't need gear just need enough to survive

sour solstice
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theres a new top godfka kill

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today

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7:54

scenic patrol
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Shaved off 1 second off of Entropy

sour solstice
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the new top couldve been better

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their NIN was purple

scenic patrol
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Gotta love being LB bitch

sour solstice
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RIP

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uh

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I just noticed

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the LB difference between the 2

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BLT must've LB'd twice

torn kindle
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a Bacon Lettuce Tomato can LB?

sour solstice
torn kindle
sour solstice
torn kindle
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man some of these names tho

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"OwO whats this?!?!"
"7/8"
"Galaxy Brains"
"Any name ideas?"

stoic oasis
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i have nothing on FFlogs lol

torn kindle
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the only thing that's remotely current that I have on there are a few rabanastre logs and maybe a few Susano/Lakshmi ones.

scenic patrol
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