endgame-lounge

[dull radish]

I can help out as long as I'm not raiding <3

[steep iris]

any time past 4pm cst

[dull radish]

My alt don't even have weekly yet haha

[spice comet]

Oh right mt has shit to deal with too

[steep iris]

well, maybe not 6-8pm cause i eat dinner during those times

[lucid karma]

only OT deals with mechanic

unless speed run

[sour solstice]

This seems like healing cancer

[unreal flax]

I already did my two weeklies and my static has done our weekly session, so I'm completely free today, tomorrow, and Saturday. Sunday is Mother's Day which means zero raiding.

[spice comet]

Se is doing their usual

Shit on the healers

And sometimes tanks

Forget the dps

[steep iris]

get a couple of people who've cleared before and we gucci

[spice comet]

Let them do dps things

[lucid karma]

normal run = PLD/DRK eats stack marker alone with invulnerable CD

or WAR with healer rescue

[spice comet]

U can stack the ranged

[lucid karma]

that's speed run

[steep iris]

war with healer rescue is a meme

[lucid karma]

MCH+BRD+healer

[steep iris]

heh

[spice comet]

Ppl say cover melee

But u dont have to

[lucid karma]

cover? why?

[spice comet]

Stone uptime can be done without it, just disappointing when melee ask for cover in parse

Demonic stone

[lucid karma]

[steep iris]

do the racecar strat

vroooom

[spice comet]

Ive seen melee do that no cover

Get confused when i hear one ask

[lucid karma]

yeah racecar is better

just time it right and nyoom

[dull radish]

Yeah, it's also a bit harder and more annoying than just go from max melee one side to the other, and let the PLD cover a hit or two

[spice comet]

Yea but then u have pld who dont know their cds so instead what u get is the melee is hit every time and now both healers have to heal the tank, parse for melee run

[dull radish]

hmm?

[spice comet]

The melee just kinda stands there like idk how our pld was taking 30k a stone plus i guess goddess

[dull radish]

well then the melee would be dumb regardless of strat haha

it's not often I see cover used and the melee not moving at all

most cases folks just run away though

[spice comet]

Can confirm exog and fairy was not enough, i like the melees who can do it

[steep iris]

my pld blamed me for his death in 6s this week reee

[dull radish]

cover strat is literally just run through the boss though

[spice comet]

They thought cover means....

They can stay still

[dull radish]

that's all you have to do haha

[spice comet]

Yea they didnt get the moving part was great

[steep iris]

brd went to the wrong corner for last kiss, pld comes over and stays at the wrong corner to take it from the brd and stays there

last kiss clipped me

[paper torrent]

last kiss

me, MT right in front of boss

somehow gets kiss

[steep iris]

he also only popped sheltron

[paper torrent]

O SHIT

pops vengence

[spice comet]

Yea the hot potato last kiss

[steep iris]

literally wtf

[spice comet]

Everyone gets it

[paper torrent]

4k health

MonkaS

[spice comet]

Jeez lmao

[lucid karma]

someone is gonna get last kiss

"please move please move pls"

still there

[steep iris]

like

last week he died too

[lucid karma]

big oof

[steep iris]

3 ramparts in a 8 min fight

[spice comet]

When our ranged passed it to a melee by accident, then our melee gives to healer then u realize it way too late when healer pass to ot and we alrdy ded

Kabooom

[lucid karma]

I will never understand why it's so hard to notice

[steep iris]

sheltron only on last kiss

[lucid karma]

the marker is pretty big

[steep iris]

no shit he's dying

[spice comet]

Ppl doing their full concentration killing dummy rotations

Sometimes our range forgets black paint cause D P S

[lucid karma]

too big brain to do mechanic

[spice comet]

And its like "we still in a fight with mechs!!"

[lucid karma]

especially you lose virtually no uptime with ranged

especially as BRD/MCH

[paper torrent]

BRD memes

[spice comet]

Yep its always our mch

Theyre so busy in their wf forgot mechs

[lucid karma]

wildfire is a mistake

[sour solstice]

@paper torrent Im in a eureka instance are you proud of yourself

[sour solstice]

current instance has a boner for Lama please help

[sour solstice]

then someone spawns bomba

and kills it before the train gets there

and Lama still hasnt spawned

Alright

so

its been 80 minutes

ive got 7k XP.

because the NM train is being

[paper torrent]

@sour solstice ez

[stable basin]

Effing Gilga meta addicts

A 7/8 Byakko EX that doesn't have a RDM. Can I join it? NO, they only want a MNK, SAM, or DRG (NIN was also on the job lock but that would have been a dup)

seriously, why do you even want a melee heavy byakko ex pug

ranged have a lot easier time keeping uptime during red orbs :/

or when rushing to stack for tank throws, or pretty much everything tbh

melee kind of sucks on byakko, really @@_@@

(they did have a SMN, but I can't even think of a mech on byakko that makes double casters a pain, unlike say Shinryu where it can make figuring out tethers less natural)

seriously. do you even need meta on byakko. lol

or does gilga have some kind of server hivemind now where the standard is to meta everything? :p

[dull radish]

did you ask them if you could join

or did you just assume they wouldn't let you

[stable basin]

I tried, but they didn't change it, and then they got a melee anyway

I still don't even know why you'd want a melee heavy party there though

[dull radish]

maybe they did change it but someone else joined too quick

it doesn't matter what comp you have, you're probably overthinking things though

they might have just had party set up and had last slot to be melee to make sure that there's at least one melee for LB

and never bothered fixing it

[stable basin]

perhaps, though the DPS LB is almost an afterthought on Byakko

(can you even get both a DPS and a tank LB3 in? I think Shin is the only fight that's normally long enough to do double lb3 in atm)

at least as EX fights go

[dull radish]

you and always talking about shinryu haha

[stable basin]

LOL, it is my fav SB EX, even if pugging it is a pain in the ass

[dull radish]

yeah, though you just have a tendency to always consider it the hardest thing and compare it to everything under the sun

but yeah like

don't just assume people all think a certain way just because they happen to have a single slot set a certain way in PF

that's just ridiculous

[stable basin]

It does seem you get job locked slots a lot more often from Gilga folks, anyway

but that might just be anecdotal

I kept refreshing the PF after I first messaged the leader but they hadn't changed slots or answered me

[dull radish]

maybe they were afk

until it filled

or plenty of other reasons

other than them just "wanting a melee heavy comp for this fight"

[stable basin]

I've also noticed folks basically never take a caster heavy comp for anything, although that probably might be more a general thread across FF

[dull radish]

no

I've seen more caster heavy comps than any other comps

because PF mostly doesn't care

[stable basin]

Probably also because casters are likely to congregate into the same groups, since you have a fair number that lock a melee comp but basically nobody locks a caster comp unless it's like that experimental Byakko group

(the one that took 2 DRK 2 SCH 4 BLM, IIRC)

so melees can join more groups than casters can, on average

[dull radish]

I've seen so many PF that are like

"I don't care just give me a melee"

and maybe a ranged if it's 7 or 8

countless triple caster memes on my alt

in all content

[stable basin]

Yeah the group I finally got my lakshmi dog from was actually 4 casters

[dull radish]

maybe you see things because you look for them

not because that's how things are

[spice comet]

Pf doesnt care we just wanna do our weeklies

[stable basin]

First time I've ever really gotten to use caster LB on a serious basis other than on Shinryu or Bardam's final boss, I think

[spice comet]

4 ranged just means 2 do melee things

[stable basin]

Yeah, everyone's really melee in the end most of the time because of stack mechanics (or stacking for AoE heals even if it isn't a strict stack)

[spice comet]

Also melee lb is more common just by the fact

1 boss

[stable basin]

Yeah. Caster LB is supremely rare, though not as rare as strategically planned healer LB

[spice comet]

Exceptions being u lb adds otherwise might as well let the melee do it

[stable basin]

actually might be same for caster and tank LB being favored

caster = Shin Ex and I think you want it pretty badly on synced Levi Ex too

tank = A12, Byakko Ex

healer ... I think apart from sac strat on A4S is never used outside of clutch recovery? I don't think there's been a fight where you've been actively intended to use it yet anyways

[dull radish]

maybe min ilvl Levi you'd want it, synced it's still stupid easy

healer LB was the standard for A4S when relevant yeah, same with tank LB for A8S as well

[steep iris]

healer lb

planned

👀

[dull radish]

caster/ranged LB in A3S, A6S, A7S, A10S

A5S too

O3S

[steep iris]

100% of my healer lbs were impromptu "oh shit i gotta save this raid"

95% dont succeed feelsbadman

[stable basin]

Yeah, I actually wonder if we'll ever see a fight where you're actually meant to healer LB3

[dull radish]

well it was a meme thing where you'd plan on having 3 people consistently sac for a mechanic

I doubt it

[stable basin]

Yeah most healer LB3 I see are on Shin P3 and then you die to enrage because killing wings in time without the caster LB3 is super hard

[spice comet]

Healer lb is rly prog

[stable basin]

second hakutei without tank lb3 is way easier than shin wings without caster lb3

[dull radish]

it's not super hard to kill wings in time without caster LB

[spice comet]

Nvr planned, just lets do it to see more of the fight

[dull radish]

but if you're in the position to need healer LB, you might be in a position that you would have wanted the caster LB

[sour solstice]

Well time to wait a couple of hours untill people stop fawning over Lama and 🅱azuzu

[scenic patrol]

8% Godka enrage

Time to fucking clear this shit

[sour solstice]

Niiiiice

you go Johni

[sullen sable]

GOGOGO

[stoic oasis]

need a 1% wipe for it to really count

[boreal edge]

was a meme night

but we got 9% fastest o7s kill

so i guess thats something

[stoic oasis]

your paladin did better than the war. the fuck?

[sour solstice]

white WAR parse

[pure yoke]

people can die

[boreal edge]

war died twice

[sour solstice]

oof

[boreal edge]

at least

we skipped bilbio

[stoic oasis]

the summoning? or the actual bibliotaph mod

mob*

[boreal edge]

mob

[lusty oak]

power of BLM over RDM

[stoic oasis]

i think everyone knows BLM is the top magic DPS

its just RDM is easier

also is useful for prog and your RDM turns into rez bot 9000

[spice comet]

Its their util res bot 👌

But a good blm is always better, i seen some bad ones 👀

[stoic oasis]

there is no inbetween BLM

you either get a god BLM or a shit BLM

[pure yoke]

meanwhile

alot of people can easily flex into RDM

if prog demands it

[unreal flax]

Mug, for demon rings in O7S, do you wait a million miles away for the radar or do you save something like DfD/SsD for it?

[sullen sable]

No elusive?

[unreal flax]

That works? I'm talking about the second rings, not the first. Is it ping-dependent?

[unique wolf]

wut is demon rings

[dull radish]

I'd assume biblio panels. But demon rings is quite the unique name for them

[paper torrent]

demon onion rings

[dull radish]

Mmm I want onion rings now

[paper torrent]

damn same

why do i curse myself

[pure yoke]

we call them book pads

[scenic patrol]

Well, we saw another enrage and that's it for today

[sour solstice]

what %

[scenic patrol]

15%

I think

[sour solstice]

oof

[scenic patrol]

We always lose focus on the second Godka instance

So it's already more than I could hope for

[paper torrent]

You're so close Johni

🙏 TAKE MY ENERGYYY 🙏

[sour solstice]

almost full party wipe to Haz

60 people dead

NVM LUL

HE ACTUALLY TPK'D THE WHOLE FUCKING TRAIn

FUCKING HAZ

[stable basin]

I got TPK'd by Julika once but there were only 6 of us who stuck around to spawn it out of spite

Wow usually it's Faf that has the most risk of that

though I think timing might affect things now

seems that a lot of nights we make our way east so we don't see Faf till it's almost dawn

and when 6:00 comes the fight difficulty drops like a stone, which it does not for Haz

[paper torrent]

Holy shit people still wipe ot haz

[stable basin]

I think it's because of unexpected loss of support

Haz is frequently fought towards the end of an instance's practical lifetime

so a lot of people are leaving as it is in the process of being spawned

[steep iris]

another god clear another grey

[wet stag]

[steep iris]

this time I died to wings of destruction

combination of me being a liiittle bit too far and the war being a little slow hehe

[wet stag]

Wait

[steep iris]

and then I ran out of mp

[wet stag]

How did you die and not your party

How far away were you jesus

[steep iris]

I wasn't that far away

like, the circle definitely touched some of the players

but somehow they didn't get hit

[wet stag]

Did it just brush them

Or were they fully inside

[steep iris]

some were def inside

https://compa.s-ul.eu/BpvPAbv2.png

this was probably where it snapshot

https://compa.s-ul.eu/lf3RIPcI.png

and then right before war onslaught back

https://compa.s-ul.eu/R7yHrIDY.png

rip me

[wet stag]

Ur whm yeah

Oh

Sch

Nvm

[steep iris]

yeah

it was my 3rd time playing sch pretty much

raid wise anyway

least I got a good parse on kefaust 👀

[true lark]

need to make a psa

stop making dumb fflogs statistic posts

[wet stag]

Hi kiri

Big fan

[sour solstice]

ooh

what stupid post is it this time

[wet stag]

http://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8ii75v/linkclass_dps_differentials_on_demon_chandarnook/

[pure yoke]

wtf am I reading

[grizzled seal]

actual autism

[torn kindle]

i remember someone trying to show dps comparisions between classes

but they used a sample

of 1 per class

[wet stag]

I REMEMBER THAT

[torn kindle]

talk about cherrypicking

[wet stag]

It was so fucking bad

It was just the top parse too iirc

[lucid karma]

[dull radish]

nah it wasn't even top parse

it was top parse within a 7m kill time specifically for each job

[lucid karma]

I just can't take parse statistic seriously

too many padded runs

[grizzled seal]

literally just look at killtime

if its <20s within the top kills

[torn kindle]

"Let's use O5S as a standard for parse statistics"
*laughs in padded aoe*

[grizzled seal]

you can discard it

[wet stag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8byxpg/fixed_dps_versus_rdps_a_breadown_of_maximum_dps/

Found it

Oof image was deleted

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316370490518405120/434374686214979584/unknown.png

[steady pebble]

aw, what a bitch

[grizzled seal]

whm pensive

yoshi p better not overbuff ast

or i'm gonna lock him into eureka for the rest of his life

[torn kindle]

pls change second lily trait yoshi p

all i ask for

okay, maybe make PI duration a bit longer too

to 15s

[kindred bison]

quick question since i heard it in another discord

just checking if it's actually real

if Kefka is also hit by Hyperdrive, he gets a bleed

is what i heard

[heavy mist]

uh no

why would a boss move hurt himself

[kindred bison]

i dunno... the ghosts in O5S get bleed stacks on themselves everytime they attack.

for Healer carts

[heavy mist]

well cause its a healer ghost

its a heal check for the healers not a dps check

[wet stag]

Thats

INCREDIBLY

STUPID

[heavy mist]

its why the Tank ghost has a Tank buster

[wet stag]

Who the fuck thinks kefka's hyperdrive hurts himself

[kindred bison]

i was going off something someone else said

i didn't think it actually happened

[heavy mist]

cause hyperdrive hits kefka's hitboxes pretty often

with the tanks that i see

[sour solstice]

GOD DAMN IT I HAVE 2.36 GCD ON WAR NOW

[scenic patrol]

It's a rite of passage

[sour solstice]

Its not that bad

but it just feels wrong

[stoic oasis]

what do WARs normally have

[sour solstice]

2.38

Unless you are going S L O W B O Y E

[heavy mist]

imagine going SLOW

👀

[sour solstice]

which is 2.41

[scenic patrol]

2.43

[stoic oasis]

why are WARs so slow

[sour solstice]

oops

Crit.

[scenic patrol]

Slow in what way?

GCD speed?

We don't have any GCD speed ups naturally

[wet stag]

Brain speed

[sour solstice]

^

[scenic patrol]

And for the GCD itself is cause of how things line up

Faster GCD doesn't necessarily mean more GCDs

Due to IR

[sour solstice]

I mean in the hypothetical world

where we could get 6 cleaves

that would be nice I guess

but before that SKS isnt that good

[scenic patrol]

You would need outside buffs for that

And you can do it at BiS anyhow

[stoic oasis]

just imagine if we had 1.0 GCDs like WoW. we would be dry on TP so fucking fast

[scenic patrol]

With outside buffs, yet again

[sour solstice]

buffed Arrow or what?

[scenic patrol]

Enhanced Arrow and Fey Wind

[sour solstice]

BiS is the same SKS as what I had before

[scenic patrol]

Or whatever that SCH buff from Selene is

[stoic oasis]

fey wind+ enhanced arrow, on a monk with three stacks. good bye TP hello tears

[deep wadi]

Or on a Bard with 4x Army's Paeon stacks

[paper torrent]

i'm at 2.35

i feel fucking disguisting

[zinc vortex]

FAST

[lusty oak]

Chaos, lf ppl to do Brute Justice savage tonight

[fading shoal]

so if it's even possible, which job is the best for soloing aquapolis?

as in which one can self sustain the best in aoe situations

war?

[spring dock]

hmm

pld would be good too because of Clem but

shouldn't you just recruit people

[heavy mist]

should honestly recruit peple

[paper torrent]

We've moved this into new player

[stable basin]

What does potency mean? Is 100 potency like 100 damage in numbers or something?

These stats are confusing to read.

[wet stag]

Potency is just the relative amount of damage/healing it does within the class

[paper torrent]

iirc 100 potency is an auto attack

or something i udnno

i think it's a percentage scale

i am probably talking outta my ass tho so don't quote me on that

[wet stag]

It's 75 iirc

I might be misremembering tho

!action jolt ii

[storm frost]

**Jolt II** : lvl 62 Red Mage (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 240.
Additional Effect: Increases both Black Mana and White Mana by 3 Additional Effect: Grants Impactful status
Duration: 30s

[paper torrent]

i thought it was based off 100

[wet stag]

!action veraero

[storm frost]

**Veraero** : lvl 10 Red Mage (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals wind damage with a potency of 300.
Additional Effect: Increases White Mana by 11 Additional Effect: 50% chance of becoming Verstone Ready
Duration: 30s

[paper torrent]

but i'm probably wrong

[wet stag]

So veraero deals 1.2x jolt's damage on average

[paper torrent]

also that measure is totally useful for rdm, whos auto attacks scale of str

from some gay reason

[fading shoal]

same for all casters iirc

[stable basin]

It's so much harder to understand than actual damage numbers.

At least they show our skill timers as actual seconds rather than 2.5 clicks or some other nonsense like potency.

[pure yoke]

how is potency nonsense?

it's damage in their purest form

actual damage number has natural variance

[stable basin]

1000 Hp taking 24 damage I can understand. 1000 Hp being hit with a 100 potency attack?

[pure yoke]

and that is before considering crit/direct/raid buffs

[paper torrent]

🍿

[heavy mist]

🍾

🍷

[fading shoal]

I'm guessing potency multiplies another number to get the actual damage number across?

[pure yoke]

it also gives a universal number to talk about in theorycrafting

[lusty oak]

potency is basic power of attack before applying all the numbers from your character stats

dmg = pot * mainstat * det * possibly crit * possibly dhit *allthefuckingbuffs

[heavy mist]

😖 math

[fading shoal]

[wet stag]

I used to think potency was dumb foo

Too

But now I fucking love it

It's genius

[heavy mist]

makes more sense

when i need to do some quick maffs

[wet stag]

You don't have to deal with shit numbers like 7734.67

[heavy mist]

be like oh yeah this is higher

good idea

[stable basin]

Those shit numbers are real, direct values.

[wet stag]

Makes napkin math easier too

[lusty oak]

iirc wow had format of [120%-130% of your attack power] on actions

[wet stag]

Yeah but they're GROSS

[lusty oak]

even worse

[heavy mist]

bu the numbers change depending on circumstances

[pure yoke]

the damage is not static

[heavy mist]

so its really annoying

[pure yoke]

even if you never crit, never direct hit, never have any external buffs

the damage is not constant

there is around a 5% variance in damage

[heavy mist]

plus would u rather add 7746.34 + 8374.45 or 200 + 300

[wet stag]

Yeah

[heavy mist]

in a tight situation perhaps

where u gonna lose attacking the boss

[stable basin]

I was just trying to calculate whether or not Byregot's Brow gained the boost from Inner Quiet as it consumed it.

[pure yoke]

what

[stable basin]

1: 150% no stack = 236
2: 150% 1 stack = 236
3: 150% 2 stack = 274
4: 150% +10%/each stack at 2 stack = 292

[heavy mist]

nani

[pure yoke]

crafting is different

we are talking about combat

why didn't you say so earlier

[heavy mist]

Crafting pretty sure people have that all figured out

[stable basin]

This is what I got and it confused me because I don't know the variables meaning.

[wet stag]

There's a 283 page guide on crafting

[heavy mist]

cause its practically a whole nother game

[stable basin]

Where is this guide?

[wet stag]

Also I'm pretty sure byregot's takes into account IQ stacks

[lusty oak]

it takes

[zinc vortex]

potency is great

i prefer it over a tooltip that states a damage number or simply x% damage

[wet stag]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L1aDMxZOjhdmzsilToDvsrwqfcUOs6NKxhsCBa1IwVQ/edit?usp=sharing

Yep same

[lusty oak]

because it explodes your IQ stacks

[vital bolt]

We're getting DoL dailies too with the new beast tribe right?

[wet stag]

Ye

[vital bolt]

Guess I'll finish leveling my Miner with that

[wet stag]

Oh

Nvm

I'm sorry

Only doh afaik

[steady pebble]

They did mention DoL dailies iirc

[wet stag]

Oh really?

Am I just

Yes

Yes I am

[steady pebble]

i mean i could be misremembering it as well lol

but i do recall them saying something about there being dailies for the gatherers as well

'The Namazu beast tribe quests will make their debut in Patch 4.3 and will focus on Disciples of the Hand and Land.' from the digest

so i assume that means there will be DoL dailies

[lusty oak]

yea

[unreal lance]

What do you even get for the beast tribe, besides exp

[sinful belfry]

The new best mount in the game

[unreal lance]

Besides a mount I'll forget within 2 minutes

:v

[weary widget]

I have to imagine the Namazu will have mats needed for the next crafting set, like the Moogles having Glass Fiber.

[unreal lance]

If that's the case then desynth should be pretty good

[stable basin]

hmm do i bother asking the leader to let me into this shin ex group ... they're insisting on a melee but if they did let me in it would be RDM RDM RDM BRD @@_@@

actually, now it would be three RDMs and a BLM owo

[scenic patrol]

There should be a SMN in that comp instead of RDM

[dull radish]

the SMN would just end up using ifrit anyways haha

[sullen sable]

[scenic patrol]

Also Embolden in that comp

Lol

[dull radish]

powerful oGCD

[sour solstice]

Gotta stack em for that sick sick fleche

Wait

they dont stack

[dull radish]

well, they "stack"

[stable basin]

hrm, T6 not soloable as RDM in i357?

it was going okay then too many vuln up and got double hit for 30k at a time

[dull radish]

insofar as the magic buff to self and physical buff from others stack

you should probably be able to solo T6

[stable basin]

like when I tried T7 as PLD, it seems to be one of those ones where the mechanics themselves are not especially vexing, but I get overwhelmed too soon

[dull radish]

just kill raffy faster

[steep iris]

git gud

[stable basin]

also uwu is apparently going to be ifrit/garuda/titan in some order and then ultima ultimate?

at least that's what it's sounding like from what i hear from raid mates

[unreal flax]

That's what it looks like

[stable basin]

wonder if that means other ultimate primals will be in the cards eventually too

... maybe Warring Triad + Thordan?

[unreal flax]

Ultimate HW. 35 minute fight through Ravana, Bismarck, Thordan, Sephirot, Sophia, Zurvan.

Be glad I don't have power

[stable basin]

Actually Warring Triad seems perfect for the beginning of an Ultimate, being that there's already a pattern of three (T5/9/13, the Primal Trio) building

it's just slightly straining to figure out what the capstone would be (yeah maybe Thordan but it seems odd that Thordan would go after them in sequence?)

This is assuming that Sophia tilts don't make everyone quit in rage

[zinc vortex]

ultimate kefka starting with the warring triad

[stable basin]

huh, that might work

probably not till a level 80 ultimate then though

because it seems weird to use kefka again that soon

But hey what do I know about Ultimate, I'm from Siren and we have like two people on the entire server that have even cleared UCOB

(and the first apparently did so so quietly that the second, who cleared yesterday, literally thought they were first)

A couple of friends of mine are attempting it, but I'm not sure how far they've gotten, or even how often they get their group to fill

I'd help them but I still gotta go back and do O4S

[high ether]

we can't not get a triad/kefka ultimate fight

but it will probably be a while

[stable basin]

Yeah, it'll probably be level 80 or 90

[high ether]

other possibilities for ultimate fights are alexander ultimate, thordan ultimate and omega ultimate

omega ultimate featuring shinryu?

[wet stag]

id only expect omega ultimate in like

6.0

tbh

well 6.x

[zinc vortex]

Ultimate Grand Storm Marshal Slafyrsyn

let's go

[stable basin]

I'm going to lean towards Thordan as the guess for the third SB ultimate

[wet stag]

DUDE

FUCK YEAH

[stable basin]

It seems a little soon to use up Alex

[zinc vortex]

Ultimate Faction Leaders

[wet stag]

ULTIMATE HULLBREAKER'S ISLE WOULD BE SICK

[stable basin]

You mean Raubahn Ultimate for real?

[zinc vortex]

Ultimate Haurchefant

ULTIMATE

PAPASHAN

[steep iris]

!whologs @stable basin

[storm frost]

Nadine Mireille of Siren

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Red Mage: (7460/8198) [3524.92 DPS] [9.8 Historical] [8:10]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[wet stag]

i mean

[stable basin]

actually, for the same reason it seems a little soon to use up Thordan, though, so hmmm

[wet stag]

the only other thing i can think of rn

is ultimate greg

[steep iris]

smh why isn't it orange yet

[stable basin]

Heh I don't even know how I'm doing in O5S lately, the last two weeklies I did nobody parsed

[steep iris]

elitism intensifies

[zinc vortex]

no elitism ici merci beaucoup

are you ready

for the 50% threat reduction while in fists of wind

but -10% damage

[steep iris]

all doggos are golden parses in my eyes

[zinc vortex]

[stable basin]

There's apparently a new custom delivery NPC coming in too

I wonder if we're going to be able to do 6 each for all three of them or if we're going to have to pick

[zinc vortex]

im just gonna assume the limit will be 12 a week for now

6 per NPC

so you'll have to pick 2

[steep iris]

i havent done custom deliveries after i got all the satisfaction rewards

LOL

[stable basin]

(also if the new NPC will even take deliveries before 70 and be of any use for leveling, or only for scrip)

probably be either 65 or 70 (let's see, zhloe started taking deliveries at 55, m'naago at 60 sooo ... hmm)

Oh did they say anything about whether cross world linkshells use the same slots as server specific ones?

or if we're getting any extra slots to go with the xserver feature?

[scenic patrol]

I am not sure

But then again, how are you using all slots?

[sullen sable]

Lots of friends

[wet stag]

friends

[sullen sable]

Don't even really need to be using all of them

I'd imagine some people will need more cross server ones than regular ones

[zinc vortex]

waifus ill never impress

[lavish cobalt]

Doing "Born again Anima" quest, i've completed the quest where u get a Soulstone as a reward but it seems i can repeat it again? does this mean i need multiple soulstones?

and i saw people farm density at a1s

[scenic patrol]

Man, E.D.H has skipped 4th Graven entirely

Limit Break needs to be deleted

[dull radish]

skipped 5th graven

not 4th

but yeah

only took 3 LB3 and 1 LB1

[scenic patrol]

Possibly a pre pull LB 2 as well

[dull radish]

don't think so

[scenic patrol]

But logs won't ever show that

[dull radish]

pretty sure it was just keeping people low HP the entire time

it would show delay on first action

for the person using LB

[scenic patrol]

[zinc vortex]

jesus

[sullen sable]

wew

[boreal edge]

tfw you roll 98 on coffer and still lose it

[stable basin]

What is the tl;dr list of upcoming items? For glam and housing?

Aka the true endgame

[whole rampart]

is this pertaining to a new job or did i miss this from the story

[lunar carbon]

that's the Taurus Auracite

[unreal flax]

It's a Zodiac Stone, not a job stone.

[lunar carbon]

it has nothing to do with job soul stones

[whole rampart]

o

darn

[lunar carbon]

The bosses from the raids, some of them represent an animal zodiac

Hashmal is leo, for example

it's FFT stuff.

(and XII too? I never played it)

[unreal flax]

Nah, just FFT

[lunar carbon]

alrighty

I'm really happy that Famfrit will be part of the next raid

the first totema of FFTA

[unreal flax]

I wanna fight Sol Badguy. Make Fafnir a cleaving tank stack buster.

[boreal edge]

i would be purple if those damn healers topped me at 4th forsaken archangel

[high ether]

lol that drg

[sour solstice]

9%

yikes

[boreal edge]

he died twice

[sour solstice]

almost got outclassed by the WAR

was it his fault

[boreal edge]

1st it is

2nd the same spot i died to

due not getting topped

at archangel

[sour solstice]

good ol 30 seconds of uncureable

[boreal edge]

i had to eat my head and kill myself for the grp

so i dont wipe the grp

tbh both pissed me off

drg and sch

they dont align their crit shit on opener

[zinc vortex]

[boreal edge]

battle litany pop

15 secs later

chain stragem

yes gj

[sour solstice]

Dont those naturally align if your opener isnt shit

[boreal edge]

how they naturally align?

[steep iris]

!action battle litany

[storm frost]

**Battle Litany** : lvl 52 Dragoon (180 second cooldown)

Increases critical hit rate of self and nearby party members by 15%.
Duration: 20s

[sour solstice]

I meant in your opener

[steep iris]

!action chain stratagem

[boreal edge]

i mean

[storm frost]

**Chain Stratagem** : lvl 66 Scholar (120 second cooldown)

Increases rate at which target takes critical hits by 15%.
Duration: 15s

[boreal edge]

be4 i cast IJ

[sour solstice]

both of the reccomended openers use them around the same time I think

[boreal edge]

1 of those 2 buffs arent up

[steep iris]

also a lot of people aren't good enough to use shit on cd

source: me

😂

[sour solstice]

just play WHM

[boreal edge]

that problem wasnt my opener

[sour solstice]

who needs to align with party buffs

[steep iris]

i bet you dont even divine benis on cd

[boreal edge]

but them not timing their press

[sour solstice]

If its up when I cast regen I do

:^)

drg and sch
they dont align their crit shit on opener

I was saying that if they had read the recommended opener

that wouldnt be a problem

[boreal edge]

had to delay my shit just to align with it

[sour solstice]

OOF

Acutally, now that frey mentioned it

I never uploaded my second O5s clear

I should check my divine casts

thanks Frey

[steep iris]

i dont divine benis on cd that's for sure

mfw my best o5s parse for whm has 2x cure 2s

should aim for 0

[sour solstice]

Shit happens

Sometimes people eat shit

[steep iris]

my war died to an auto after he got hit by a light lol

[sour solstice]

[steep iris]

had to top him up feelsbadman

[sour solstice]

oof

[steep iris]

still somehow got 80% healing :thonk:

[sour solstice]

uh

well

I had 4 casts

of divine

LOL

[steep iris]

could've been an orange if i let my sch do more 😭 😭 😭

:thonk:

[sour solstice]

3 C2s

oof

[steep iris]

i usually check for it when i cast regen/aero 2

[sour solstice]

yeah im still trying to drill it for regen

16 casts per minute

that uh

about 20 seconds of missed casts on average

wow im bad

[steep iris]

try to move as little as possible

and if you only need to move a tiny bit just slidecast

[unreal flax]

Yo @pure yoke Does Elusive Jump work for Biblio + Radar combo? I feel like it should, but at the same time, EJ has a loooong ass animation

[pure yoke]

idk

I haven't done that

I only did radar + proximity aoe

[scenic patrol]

Save Spineshatter for it?

Spineshatter has around the same animation as Onslaught, so you should do fine

[unreal flax]

I'm considering that as well. I have to map it out to see if it'll be up for both potential Biblio timings.

[heavy mist]

Just do it and see if it works

[zinc vortex]

you aint gonna know until you try

[unique wolf]

you can use EJ

even if you get paralyzed its worth it tbh

the paralyze is unlikely to cause you to miss gcds

[heavy mist]

@unique wolf really?

O.o

[unique wolf]

anything is better than not hitting the boss so

[heavy mist]

true

guess im trying that next time in o7s to see the difference it makes

[unique wolf]

i always just yolo that fight so idk

usually have something up for it

haven't gotten better than 6k tho

[heavy mist]

rip

[unique wolf]

only weeklies so w/e

[sturdy shell]

Radar is very ping and tick dependent.

[unreal flax]

Tiff inspires me. <3 I love you tiff.

[raw cliff]

Don't elusive it triggers the radar super late and kills you. It's safer to just walk back to the boss

If tanks position the boss right you can walk to both circles then walk back to boss without triggering the radar

[scenic patrol]

Or just use a gap closer just as the last person touches the pad

[raw cliff]

If not then tell your tanks to stop sucking

[scenic patrol]

Onslaught works fine

[dull radish]

the radar doesn't even kill you if you take it

it's just a bit of damage and short term paralysis

[paper torrent]

so what you're saying is

aoe not op?

[raw cliff]

Dragoon rotation is very tight. Saving spineshatter is a last resort of the tanks suck

Elusive triggers radar 2 time for some reason

[scenic patrol]

I won't define tanks not pulling boss ideally to suck

It takes a bit of experience with the fight to know when to pull the boss where

[paper torrent]

o7s is too big brain for me

[raw cliff]

I asked my tanks to pull the boss between the 2 circles on our 3rd or 4th pull and they always did it after that

If that's too hard wtf are you doing in savage

[scenic patrol]

It's not hard, it just takes experience with the fight

That's fucking all

Something you won't likely find in PF

[raw cliff]

3 or 4 pulls apparently

Oh if you don't have a static then yea

[paper torrent]

rip me

[scenic patrol]

I don't remember if Brit has a static currently

[paper torrent]

i think he helps his fc right now do o7s

irrc

[raw cliff]

But then you're spending 10 hours per week getting your weeklies done anyway and probably don't care about a gcd

[heavy mist]

Brit has a static

[woeful prawn]

radar kills you if you get three ticks of it

[unreal flax]

Elusive has an incredibly long animation.

And a bit of landing recovery.

lol I just thought of something because I've never thought to try it, but does Elusive or Repelling Shot or Displacement trigger Thin Ice slide?

[steady pebble]

that's basically the shiva thing right? where the floor becomes ice

[unreal flax]

Yeah

[steady pebble]

I want to say it doesn't...

but I'm not a 100% sure because its been a long time since i played bard ins omething that did that

[unreal flax]

It probably doesn't, but shit would it be hilarious if it did lol

[dull radish]

it doesn't

[obsidian lava]

quick Left or Right,

[stable basin]

Got my first O5S clear \o/

[steep iris]

grats!

onward to 6s!

[stable basin]

yayy

I hear 6 is easier

[sour solstice]

do you play healer

[stable basin]

DPS

[sour solstice]

then its EZ

mostly target dummy

[stable basin]

nice

Got 44th percentile

BLM got 8th :V

[scenic patrol]

O7S will be your next wall

[sour solstice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/100463940835762176/444526080766771200/Postvirus.png

[scenic patrol]

That's called can't get to Virus group

Then disband

[stable basin]

lol

[pine beacon]

"Bring the deeeeeeepppppssss"

[scenic patrol]

All are signs of trap party

[unreal flax]

I had something happen that felt so good. Biblio in final phase. Boss tanked near the second ring. Literally just walked into melee range before radar went off. Felt sensational

[sullen sable]

[ivory tiger]

can you stun the adds in shinryu ex

[pure yoke]

no

[vivid heart]

Is there an icy veins equivalent for FFXIV?

[zinc vortex]

not that i know

[steady pebble]

nothing icy veins equivalent, but you can always head over to the balance and check out their class guides

https://thebalanceffxiv.com/

has a link to their discord and the guides are listed under 'guide list'

[sour solstice]

[zinc vortex]

nobody reads pings

[sour solstice]

[wet stag]

@zinc vortex

[zinc vortex]

[wet stag]

Hey you read a ping

[sour solstice]

God damn it Faye

[wet stag]

[stable basin]

@zinc vortex

i love u

[sour solstice]

Mod abuse

[zinc vortex]

i love u 2 dog

[sour solstice]

oh

ok

[wet stag]

oh sweet

tonberry rankings

[zinc vortex]

oooh nice

congrats

[wet stag]

i forgot to pot tho

[zinc vortex]

now im kinda curious to my ranks

https://i.gyazo.com/11df930b16b6dfb658e95064c603517e.png

i'll take it

[wet stag]

!whois @zinc vortex

[storm frost]

Alex Ba'kal, The White

Lalafell, Dunesfolk
Level 70 Black Mage [Item Level 368]
<Tranquil Souls> on Moogle

[wet stag]

oh nice

[zinc vortex]

moogle rankings though

[wet stag]

yeah mine's tonberry

[severe notch]

anyone have brd guide?

[wet stag]

!faq brdguide

[storm frost]

4.x Bard Guide

Info

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XAkAyAEwMr50wtfQTz-Vk1U4tdgfdfWg5nRIbKNNJk4/

[severe notch]

ty

[zinc vortex]

#9 on train, #10 on demon, #9 on kefka

#5 on god kefka

and #2 on guardian

[wet stag]

idk if its the right one tho

im overall 12th on tonberry

[zinc vortex]

nice

im pretty sure tonberry is massively bigger than moogle though

so it's probably a bit more skewed for you

https://ffxivcensus.com/#realmactive

...huh

i really expected tonberry to have more active players than moogle

[wet stag]

13th on godka on my only clear xd

hopefully i rmb to fucking pot

lmao

anyway gn

[zinc vortex]

night

[severe notch]

rip me 85th on gilgamesh

97th for train

130 for demon

[zinc vortex]

based on my numbers i'd be the #18 BLM on greg

but BLM is a

massively unpopular job

[severe notch]

99 on guardian

104 on kefka

and 69 for god kefka

boy i suck

[zinc vortex]

at least you can clear

and pull >50%

that literally puts you in like what

the top 10 or top 5% of the raiding community?

[severe notch]

yea but sucks compared to what i was last teir

was 63rd on gilgamesh last teir

[zinc vortex]

step up your game then my man

[severe notch]

this has been a bad teir 😦

[dull radish]

people are starting to catch up to me on levi haha

probably not gonna keep top slot since my group doesn't wanna do weeklies anymore and are gonna take a bit of a break until uwu

[zinc vortex]

i'm just gonna continue slogging through my weeklies

i wanna gear up SAM

after playing ranged dps without a dragoon for 2 tiers

i've seen the light

[dull radish]

I mainly just wanted to get a god kefka over 7k, but nope haha

best clear still from march with no AST

[wet stag]

Ok I said I was going to bed but this is too good

http://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8ix6lc/i_want_to_address_the_red_mage_in_the_room/

[sour solstice]

oh boy

[zinc vortex]

before i dive into this

i just want to say

fuck embolden

change that shit

ok, going in

[wet stag]

http://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8ix6lc/i_want_to_address_the_red_mage_in_the_room/dyvbuqq

This comment holy shit

From op, too

[zinc vortex]

.

if i die i lose dps, therefore change

[sour solstice]

playing a class thats half white mage

complaining about losing damage for utility

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8ix6lc/i_want_to_address_the_red_mage_in_the_room/dyv9u9v/

this comment thread is good as well

[scenic patrol]

Also OP saying that SMN loses less than RDM for dying

Top fucking kek

SMN is literally the job that can be fucked up the most by a death

You had 2 Baha stacks and Aetherflow just used?

Well too fucking bad

Your entire burst is fucking gone

[sour solstice]

I mean to be fair to OP

RDM does get a little fucked by death

[scenic patrol]

Not as much as SMN

[sour solstice]

moreso than say, BLM

[scenic patrol]

Not nearly as much

[sour solstice]

but SMN is just fucking wrong

lmao

[zinc vortex]

every class loses when they die

[wet stag]

Yeah ofc

[zinc vortex]

i'd also argue BLM loses more than RDM upon death

[sour solstice]

Depends on where your CDs are

[wet stag]

I mean

[sour solstice]

if your Enochian is off CD and you have no MP

its not that bad

[wet stag]

Rdm depends on whether or not if they've just used your melee combo

[sour solstice]

but you die with full MP and at the start of fire phase

you are a sad pana

[wet stag]

Your enochian should be off cd anyway

[sour solstice]

panda*

[zinc vortex]

yeah if you die <30s into the fight oof

[scenic patrol]

Sad Panda is a different beast

[wet stag]

[zinc vortex]

[sour solstice]

[wet stag]

I'd say BLM and rdm are about equal

It just depends on where in their rotation they are when they die

[sour solstice]

and if Lucid is on CD

for RDM

If lucid is on cd you are just feeling bad

[wet stag]

Aren't you supposed to lucid on cd

[scenic patrol]

You are

[sour solstice]

yeah

[scenic patrol]

That's why dying with Lucid on CD is a thing

[sour solstice]

I should say have recently used Lucid

mb

[scenic patrol]

Can't do shit to recover

Only hope for Ewer

Or refresh

[sour solstice]

you just kinda use your un mana'd melee combo

on the boss

and cry

And then run out of tp because it hurts

[wet stag]

Better hope you have a fucking dragoon

[sour solstice]

its not even that much damage if you have one

[wet stag]

But muh parse xd

[sour solstice]

!action Redoublement

[storm frost]

**Redoublement** : lvl 50 Red Mage (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Zwerchhau or Enchanted Zwerchhau
Combo Potency: 230
Action upgraded to Enchanted Redoublement if both Black Mana and White Mana are at 25 or more.

[wet stag]

Ok now bed time for real

[sour solstice]

thats the 3rd hit

costs 100 TP

[wet stag]

[sour solstice]

all 3 of them

Its some really pathetic shit to watch

[dull radish]

it's still not too bad for recovery after a death, RDM MP economy is pretty dang good, you can get back into the swing of things pretty quick unless you're running higher spellspeed

[stable basin]

Yeah the painful thing is when you have had to rez people so you had to use lucid for that and then you die (usually because you have had to rez the healers) and it all goes south

See: A large percentage of Shin Ex pugs

Often because your Atomic Ray buddy decided to be somewhere closer to Antarctica so you ate it solo

But yeah SMN easily has it worst. I still remember my first attempts at getting endgame practice on SMN

Decided to try Lakshmi since it's normally easy right? Had so many chimichanga cones dropped on me I started to wonder why I even bothered to learn Bahamut in the first place :/

[torn kindle]

sounds like the offtank wasn't keeping 2nd aggro

or wasn't in the right spot

[stable basin]

Yeah I think it was one of those single tank groups

I try to avoid those now except for a few things like Seph or Zurvan lol

[stable basin]

Oh did they confirm the ilvl req for the new EX yet btw?

Is it 350 as predicted?

[raw cliff]

should be 355

oh misread

idk

[heavy mist]

probably gonna be 350

no confirm

[vital cypress]

Zenos EX EX?

[unreal flax]

Ahhh less than 1% enrage on O7S and then we lose a healer.

AHHHHHH

Il Purgatorio

[dull radish]

/soothe

I can't really trap on healer

only really done stuff on caster this tier

[unreal flax]

New healer. Still not AST, but it ok lol

[dull radish]

if you end up having a dps slot, feel free to lemme know haha

[unreal flax]

Disbando lol. Made it to less than 1% and then couldn't get to second add in the last phase.

[dull radish]

dang

I'm drinking a bit and kinda wanna trap

either on my main (clear for the week) or alt (no clear, but bit lesser gear)

[topaz wolf]

you wanna do traps?

[dull radish]

or be done by one~

[scenic patrol]

Lol

👀

[dull radish]

I'd voice my opinions but would probably be better in nsfw

[scenic patrol]

👀

[topaz wolf]

👀

[sour solstice]

👀

[dull radish]

<3

[steep iris]

traps are gay

[dull radish]

they can be

[lucid karma]

some people think traps aren't gay until they realise traps shave bodily hair too

[stoic oasis]

how does one get the NSFW role?

[steady pebble]

type !nsfw_me

[stoic oasis]

oh thats simple enough

do i type exactly that? or my user name

[scenic patrol]

Just that

[sour solstice]

Porn is the true endgame

[stoic oasis]

have to draw lewds of every character, its required