endgame-lounge

[sour solstice]

because of lack of info

[spice comet]

They poofed

[zinc vortex]

please stop pinging me

its been like 3 times in 20 minues

minutes*

[paper torrent]

Dude just left the server lmao

[scenic patrol]

So he quit the server?

[sour solstice]

They arent ever here lol

[zinc vortex]

yeah

[scenic patrol]

[spice comet]

Poof

[sour solstice]

Classic victim mentality

[zinc vortex]

100% hiding something if he felt he needed to leave

[paper torrent]

That was hilarious

[sullen sable]

iunno

[paper torrent]

He wanted everyone to adjust to him

[sour solstice]

I feel bad on the one hand

[zinc vortex]

either that or really just oversensitive

but yeah, sorry for being suspicious i guess

you got kicked

woo

move on

[scenic patrol]

It's always the overly sensitive people leaving servers

[spice comet]

[sullen sable]

let's suppose they were 100% innocent and what happened was not their fault in any way

[scenic patrol]

Like there was some drama

[paper torrent]

When he said he hated how the game became a parse circlejerk

[spice comet]

But legot thats kinda suspect and if its 1 experience k

[sullen sable]

that situation was so rare that it caused everyone to be suspicious

[paper torrent]

😂 👌

[spice comet]

If multiple im suspicious

[zinc vortex]

experience just shows me that 9 out of 10 times those people are withholding information

but yeah i agree virsath

i have mixed feelings

[sour solstice]

Thats my feeling as well

but

[zinc vortex]

im just sceptical in nature

[scenic patrol]

It doesn't have to be intentional, but there is some information missing

[spice comet]

Yea

[boreal edge]

why this feels crimson kinda stuff

[paper torrent]

It's the party's right to kick people for gameplay didderences

[scenic patrol]

There is gotta be a reason, from premades kicking for keks

[paper torrent]

There's no fucking way around it lmao

[scenic patrol]

To not AOEing

[spice comet]

No one goes...."hi" ->"caster lb?" ->kicked

[paper torrent]

^

[sullen sable]

i mean

[spice comet]

[zinc vortex]

anyway i'm not beating a dead horse anymore

[sullen sable]

maybe they wanted to get their friend in on it

[paper torrent]

That's horseshit i don't believe his ass for a second

[zinc vortex]

guy pinged me 3 times in 20 minutes

[sullen sable]

too bad so sad

[zinc vortex]

[scenic patrol]

Stopped being a Furry

[sullen sable]

it's just DF though

[zinc vortex]

this is kinda the point i wanted to bring across

y'know

shit happens

move on

[boreal edge]

i can ping u 100 times in 5 secs u dont pay my sub

[paper torrent]

@boreal edge same

[zinc vortex]

but he tried so hard to convince us it wasn't his fault that it almost felt like he was trying to cover something up

[spice comet]

[paper torrent]

It was mostly defintely pushing a narrative

[zinc vortex]

https://i.gyazo.com/c369e59c2f577a7ef6550811f48d67ba.png

done

[paper torrent]

LMAO

[sullen sable]

[paper torrent]

Destroyed

[scenic patrol]

Should block @paper torrent first though

His shit

[paper torrent]

True

[scenic patrol]

💩

[paper torrent]

Why do you fucks even give me the light of day

[zinc vortex]

funny you say that

[boreal edge]

so what?

[zinc vortex]

i should just go pull

a garudyne

[paper torrent]

The GARU SPECIAL

Echo chamber themselves

[scenic patrol]

Lmao

[spring dock]

cant believe you BULLIED a little lamb out of this server with your ELITISM

😡

also any tips before I start dying to god kefka

[zinc vortex]

yes

clear normal kefka first

then cry

[spring dock]

what

[zinc vortex]

then realise o8s is not that bad

then go to sleep knowing you'll sleep peacefully that night.

don't forget to drink enough water.

stay hydrated folks

[spring dock]

well if I go to sleep

isn't it a given

That I'm sleeping

[zinc vortex]

yes but will you sleep peacefully

[spring dock]

no

fan broke

[zinc vortex]

ok listen here

[spring dock]

sweating like a pig

[zinc vortex]

you little

rotting

cockthistle bastard

just fucking go to sleep ok

[spring dock]

woah what the FUCK

trying to bully me out too....

won't work on this man, bub

[zinc vortex]

i see no bully

[spring dock]

you called me a cockthistle

[zinc vortex]

no i didnt

[sour solstice]

[tawny topaz]

#bullyhunter

[scenic patrol]

Who is this? ^

[sour solstice]

A friend of mine

[scenic patrol]

[tawny topaz]

trust me Yalia is as toxic in person as he is on here

[sour solstice]

Oi

fuck you

[spring dock]

I agree

[tawny topaz]

my point exactly ❤

[scenic patrol]

Agreed

[spring dock]

💓 not as bad as dog boy over there though

[scenic patrol]

I play male Au Ra

!myglamour

[storm frost]

Glamour for Johni Bravo of Odin

[spring dock]

not you the dog one : 💓

the the the the

fantasy of the furry kind

[zinc vortex]

what i do

[spring dock]

be an elitist bully

[zinc vortex]

where was i ever elitist

[lyric kelp]

alex bullying someone out of the discord

[zinc vortex]

cmon

[lyric kelp]

[zinc vortex]

that wasnt me

i swear

im being set up

framed

[spring dock]

the poor sod

What do you think his idea of our community is now??

[sour solstice]

The same he thought of it before

Except now he feels slightly more like a victim because its easier to do that than look inward

[potent oasis]

So, I've never done a raid but I do want to test the waters and see how it goes. I know they're not suppose to be easy but is there a specific one recommended if I'm just going to practice?

[sour solstice]

are you talking about normal mode?

or alliance raiding?

[spice comet]

Before savage? Do shin its like raid

Well savage so they say

[potent oasis]

Ah sorry

Savage

Ive completed all normal raids already

[steady pebble]

do o5s

and o6s

They're both basically the 'stepping stones' for savage

[spice comet]

Or just dive right in thats how i did it

[steady pebble]

not too hard

but still steps up from normal mode

[potent oasis]

Alright. It's just practice anyway so I don't expect much from me

[steady pebble]

ye just try to find a learning/practice group if you can

or make your own

[sour solstice]

EX byakko is also kinda a stepping stone

[steady pebble]

mhm, byakko is also a decent one to go and work on

more so since you've got no lockout if you clear

[potent oasis]

I finished Ex byakko

Somehow

Might jab at Shinryuu too

[paper torrent]

o5s

a stepping stone

HAHAHAHHAH

good meme

[sour solstice]

Its not that hard

Once you wipe a couple times

It only took me what

27

[paper torrent]

or you know get healers that get abducted by ghosts

[scenic patrol]

Even better, one tank is dead and the other is getting abducted

[paper torrent]

even better

healers are dead

tanks get abudcted

[sour solstice]

and then your no diversion SAM eats doom strike

[paper torrent]

👌

[steep iris]

"ex byakko" triggers me for some reason

byakko ex reeeee

[scenic patrol]

Maybe he yiffed Byakko and got tired of it

[paper torrent]

this si what i come to endgame discussion for

[scenic patrol]

The better memes are at The Balance though

[torn kindle]

That's because they harness the power of autism

[scenic patrol]

Agreed

[sullen sable]

[unique wolf]

theres autism here too

just a worse kind that doesn't even make u better at ffxiv 😩

[torn kindle]

The kind that causes Single Target Dotons (outside of TCJ), Ice Mages, and Melee RDM

[lime temple]

I think this would be the right place to ask... I was wondering how much weight the determination stat had on healing magic potentcy. If I was to boost how much I'm healing people for, I'm sure I need a good amount of mind, but determination as well?

[dull radish]

det is incredibly minimal in comparison to mind

focus on higher ilvl/main stat

[lime temple]

So mind highly outweighs the det stat. Alright, thank you ^^

[wet stag]

@lime temple as a general rule, ilvl/weapon damage/main stat matter a lot more than substats

[torn kindle]

The only big exception is crafted accessories for tanks, since you can meld a lot more secondary stats and you generally don't need the extra VIT from the tomestone/savage accessories. Pentamelded accessories can also have better secondaries than the tomestone/savage accessories.

[scenic patrol]

Well, it's only 1 STR

On tank accessories

So more stats>less stats

[wet stag]

Yeah I'm just saying that generally that's the rule

[scenic patrol]

Very rare exception being the Diamond Bracelet on Warrior

[wet stag]

And besides if he's asking if mind outweighs det there's no way he's chasing logs

So it's kind of irrelevant for him imo

[scenic patrol]

Due to how stupidly Crit scales on Warrior

[paper torrent]

War itself is an exception now

[scenic patrol]

Aye, I am on BiS race for Warrior now

PogChamp

[sour solstice]

Diamond wrist is better than crafted penta?

Damn

[paper torrent]

Yeah

Fucking memes

This goddamn tier

[sour solstice]

Quote me on this: DRK is going to be stupidly overbuffed and become the only viable MT next patch

just for the memes

[paper torrent]

No

[sour solstice]

but in all seriousness

They should at least look at shadow wall

!action shadow wall

[storm frost]

**Shadow Wall** : lvl 46 Dark Knight (180 second cooldown)

Reduces damage taken by 30%.
Duration: 10s

[sour solstice]

!action Vengence

[storm frost]

**Vengeance** : lvl 46 Marauder (120 second cooldown)

Reduces damage taken by 30% and delivers an attack with a potency of 50 every time you suffer physical damage.
Duration: 15s

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[sour solstice]

[paper torrent]

Ah i love WAR privlege

[sour solstice]

increase CD by 50%

lose 33% of the duration

remove the offensive capability

Who thought this was a good skill exactly?

[paper torrent]

SE balance team LUL

[lucid karma]

SE just look at overall numbers

[scenic patrol]

They gave us TBN to compensate for crappy CDs

So SW is not gonna get buffed

[lucid karma]

Exactly their thoughts

They presume everyone play at optimal level in vacuum

[sour solstice]

Fair enough

[scenic patrol]

Well, the player base of DRK is pretty damn bad

[sour solstice]

Then give DK a skill called "A Black Night" at early levels so they dont feel like ♿ pre 70

[paper torrent]

LMAO

[scenic patrol]

Lore wise it's iffy

[paper torrent]

best skill name

[lucid karma]

I think the problem of SE balance is that they take numbers of performance inside vacuum rather than in practice

[scenic patrol]

Eh, they have balanced TBN fucking perfectly

It's the best balanced ability I have ever seen

In regards to the resource economy

On DRK

[sour solstice]

Its a shame its at 70

and your entire god damn class is balanced around it

[scenic patrol]

We used to have DD

For filler CD

[lucid karma]

Which also cause problem because a lot of DRK thinks they have to pull boss even when there's WAR

[scenic patrol]

Eh, you need it in your opener and that's it

And it's better as OT if you are over geared

[paper torrent]

The problem is

Drk just doesn't do enough damage

[scenic patrol]

Enough damage for what?

[paper torrent]

Why the fuck has PLD beat it in damage for so long

[lucid karma]

And those said DRk tend to be honest tank

[paper torrent]

DRK should be way higher

[lucid karma]

Always in grit

[wet stag]

I agree pld should not be out dpsing drk

[scenic patrol]

Eh, I think that DRK can beat PLD quite consistently currently

And like I said in other places

PLD is fucking Overpowered

[wet stag]

Yeah

[paper torrent]

Remeber 4.x pld

When people literally prayed for good pld to carry

[scenic patrol]

Currently it's not a question of bringing DRK or WAR to the surprise of many, it's replacing Warrior with DRK

[paper torrent]

And could output dps numbers?

[lucid karma]

Holy spirit was hitting so hard I can fap to it

[scenic patrol]

PLD has too much utility to give out

[paper torrent]

Good fucking times

[wet stag]

Unrelated, but I had a chat with a friend a few months back about how to war

He's pretty

[scenic patrol]

Berserk was still a thing back then no?

[lucid karma]

Divine veil is OP

[sour solstice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226122265018761217/443873884408643585/WAR.PNG

[paper torrent]

Yes

[scenic patrol]

Eh, DV isn't why PLD is OP, it existed back at HW

[lucid karma]

correct use can result in better uptime because you don't have to do safe strat

[scenic patrol]

But PLD was shit

[paper torrent]

Pld is op because of cover

[wet stag]

Wait

[paper torrent]

And the fact that it does more damage lul

[wet stag]

No

Wasn't that long ago

WOW GOING BACK TO IT WAS A MISTAKE

I CBF to censor the name so I'll dm it if anyone wants

[paper torrent]

Alrighty i wanna see this gay shit

[sour solstice]

Ooo I wanna see

[scenic patrol]

Fucking same

You made me curious

[sour solstice]

2 messages in and im already

[paper torrent]

I think i had a stroke

[sour solstice]

What the fuck

[lucid karma]

How was it fam

[wet stag]

Oh god the cringe

[paper torrent]

Who are those WAR mains

[wet stag]

But idk anything BC I'm not a war main

[scenic patrol]

God fucking dammit

[paper torrent]

Also have i read this before

I feel like i have

[wet stag]

Maybe?

[scenic patrol]

That person is garbage

[wet stag]

I posted a snippet of it before

[paper torrent]

I might have blocked it from memory

[sour solstice]

Maths dont determine everything in this game

[paper torrent]

Just from the sheer headache

[sour solstice]

[wet stag]

@scenic patrol 2nd inner release on o5s at 2:20

[scenic patrol]

Not a war main so you can't say to someone he plays the job wrong

[sour solstice]

OOOOOF

[wet stag]

Exactly

[paper torrent]

Faye is wrong about one thing tho, i never get to ir mobs

[wet stag]

Idk anything about war lol

[paper torrent]

Because im the skip bitch

[wet stag]

Fair

[paper torrent]

[sour solstice]

^

[wet stag]

Except

EXCEPY

HE DOESNT SKIP

[scenic patrol]

Second IR should be delayed if you are skip bitch

[paper torrent]

O O F

[sour solstice]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wet stag]

No you don't understand

[lucid karma]

Nice

[scenic patrol]

So he's a retard

[wet stag]

I forget the time exactly

But he DOESNT HAVE IR FOR ADDS

OR THE SKIP

[sour solstice]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[paper torrent]

Savage 2 hard

[scenic patrol]

Fucking how

[lucid karma]

Ppf

[scenic patrol]

And I am sad when I need to filler HS

And that dude straight up leaves IR unused

Losing casts

Like it's no big deal

[wet stag]

"I'm trying to find the best time for skills"

[scenic patrol]

🤢

[wet stag]

[paper torrent]

At least he uphevals?

Outside of IR?

[wet stag]

I think so yeah

[sour solstice]

Im still trying to get that down tbh

[paper torrent]

Hopefully?

[wet stag]

He frequently overcaps gauge tho

[wet stag]

Yeah I'm p sure he does

[paper torrent]

@sour solstice make a hotbar with cds on it

[sour solstice]

Im currently at like 1.5 average casts

[wet stag]

Not often tho

[scenic patrol]

What's your GCD Yalia?

[sour solstice]

per upheaval

[lucid karma]

Okay just one reaction pic

[sour solstice]

2.38

[wet stag]

Ooh nice

[paper torrent]

OOF

[scenic patrol]

Oh, you should be fine then

[paper torrent]

SLOW BOYE

no wait

[scenic patrol]

Just focus on learning the job

[paper torrent]

I'm high

[sour solstice]

2.43 is slowboye

[wet stag]

AMERICAN

[paper torrent]

2.43 is slow boy

[sour solstice]

2.38 is american

[scenic patrol]

You should do fine

[sour solstice]

Yeah

[paper torrent]

2.38 is fastboy

Im at 2.35

MonkaS

[wet stag]

Speedy war

[sour solstice]

Im dropping like 1ish infuriate and like 1 or 2 uphevals

[scenic patrol]

Anything below 3.37 is

[sour solstice]

And am I supposed to use onslaught

I honestly dont know

[paper torrent]

I need more memes

[scenic patrol]

1 Onslaught on the opener

[paper torrent]

Send me diamond hat plz

[sour solstice]

obviously in IR but

[scenic patrol]

Aside from inside IR

Just one

To regulate gauge

[wet stag]

Use onslaught if you're going to overcap gauge

[sour solstice]

just use it to close gap or cheese mechanics otherwise

[lucid karma]

I forgot what gcd I have

[scenic patrol]

And then try to avoid using it entirely

[lucid karma]

But on DRK I have 3.33

[wet stag]

Just don't be me

[lucid karma]

🤢

[sour solstice]

WAT

[paper torrent]

MonkaS

[sour solstice]

3.33?

[wet stag]

Oh shit I'm at 90 gauge!

Onslaught fc

[scenic patrol]

Lol

[lucid karma]

Still using crafted sword

[paper torrent]

Same

[lucid karma]

SPEEDY

[wet stag]

3.33 lol SNAIL BOYE

[paper torrent]

SNAILBOYE

[sour solstice]

Can you get that

on MNK?

[lucid karma]

Oh 2.33

[sour solstice]

with fire

[lucid karma]

I read it qrong

[wet stag]

No I don't think so

Monk is 2.7 I think?

With rof

[sour solstice]

Tbh ff14 should have a 5 second gcd so I can pentaweave

[paper torrent]

Riddle of memes

[wet stag]

Idk I just pulled that number out my ass idk actually

[lucid karma]

Yeah I read it wrong my DRK gcd is 2.33

[sour solstice]

!action of fire

[storm frost]

**Void Fire** : lvl 0 None (0 second cooldown)

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[sour solstice]

I dont know

[wet stag]

I wonder if he's done any better since

[sour solstice]

whats the monk skill

[wet stag]

!action riddle of fire

[storm frost]

**Riddle Of Fire** : lvl 68 Monk (90 second cooldown)

Increases damage dealt by 30% while increasing weaponskill recast time by 15%. Also grants Fists of Fire.
Duration: 20s
Riddle of Fire is canceled if Fists of Fire ends.

[sour solstice]

Its about 2.8 then

[lucid karma]

Double Weave City

[scenic patrol]

RoF Tornado Kick

!action Tornado Kick

[storm frost]

**Tornado Kick** : lvl 60 Monk (10 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 330.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Greased Lightning III. Effect fades upon execution.

[paper torrent]

The TK crits

Some gooooood shit

[sour solstice]

TBH what I really need to work on my John Madden

[lucid karma]

TK still bad

[scenic patrol]

Not really

[sour solstice]

I can pentacleave consistently now

[paper torrent]

It's good in some scenarios

[sour solstice]

I just fuck up my in between

[scenic patrol]

It's quite fucking good for RoF with PB up

Like 150 dps increase

[paper torrent]

Just make sure you can use infuriate

[sour solstice]

or if you get a boss jump

[paper torrent]

And not overcap my dude

[sour solstice]

TK is good for that bullshit

[paper torrent]

And you know SE uptime mems

[scenic patrol]

!classlogs Ragnarok Aya Liz mnk

[storm frost]

**FFLogs Data For Aya Liz of Ragnarok on MNK**

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Monk: (3/5927) [7154.34 DPS] [100 Historical] [5:35]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Monk: (2/5874) [7969.8 DPS] [100 Historical] [6:21]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Monk: (1/3998) [6834.62 DPS] [100 Historical] [8:31]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Monk: (2/3054) [6540.71 DPS] [100 Historical] [5:41]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Monk: (16/2132) [6688.12 DPS] [99.2 Historical] [8:22]

[sour solstice]

I think the longest ive dropped storms eye other that forced is 2 GCDs

because im not THAT retarded

[scenic patrol]

Dropping Eye for more than one GCD is a loss

[sour solstice]

I know that much

[scenic patrol]

One GCD is negligible

[paper torrent]

@sour solstice r u sure about that

[sour solstice]

Uh

Maybe

Maybe ive dropped it for the entire duration of an IR

shut

[scenic patrol]

Lol

Just get comfy with Warruru

[paper torrent]

It's ok

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

I once droppes an IR

Dying to remorse

LMAO

[wet stag]

!whologs @wet stag

[storm frost]

Faye Midpearl of Tonberry

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (1549/12909) [4216.93 DPS] [95.5 Historical] [8:59]
Dark Knight: (255/6220) [3968.28 DPS] [96.1 Historical] [8:14]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Warrior: (4997/12188) [4214.45 DPS] [78.5 Historical] [9:12]
Dark Knight: (877/6266) [4287.06 DPS] [90.4 Historical] [8:40]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Warrior: (6861/8911) [3656.81 DPS] [33.1 Historical] [11:18]
Dark Knight: (719/3785) [3991.81 DPS] [82.3 Historical] [11:07]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (5601/6831) [3641.99 DPS] [25.6 Historical] [6:48]
Dark Knight: (696/2678) [3796.18 DPS] [75.0 Historical] [6:33]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Dark Knight: (780/1815) [3997.55 DPS] [57.7 Historical] [10:43]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[sour solstice]

I once died because we were doin the WAR skip

... im the WAR

[wet stag]

New pb on train which doesn't matter lol

[sour solstice]

I forgot

[scenic patrol]

Fun fact, if you delay IR by about 2 GCDs on Godka, you need to delay it by 30 seconds

[sour solstice]

lets just say I dont have O5s loot this week

[wet stag]

I still can't break 4k on train

[scenic patrol]

!whologs @scenic patrol

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo of Odin

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (1032/12909) [4387.11 DPS] [93.2 Historical] [7:43]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Warrior: (1706/12188) [4669.6 DPS] [87.2 Historical] [8:37]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Warrior: (1603/8911) [4308.63 DPS] [87.8 Historical] [10:57]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (1776/6831) [4075.1 DPS] [78.1 Historical] [6:40]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[sour solstice]

and OOF johni

[scenic patrol]

Git gud

[sour solstice]

ok legit question

does DRK just need potency

[paper torrent]

Godka clear when fucko

[scenic patrol]

[wet stag]

What is it with me and not breaking 4k

[sour solstice]

because it seems like it

3997

oof

[wet stag]

3968, 3991, 3997

[paper torrent]

It's ok

4.3 buffs

[lucid karma]

Personally I think DRK might need rework more than potency

[paper torrent]

Will make up for it

[lucid karma]

Like WAR did

[wet stag]

No

[sour solstice]

Some people like current DRK tho

[wet stag]

I love current drk

If they war-ify it I'm quitting raiding lol

[lucid karma]

And some people like prev WAR more

Like a friend of mine quit raiding since 4.2

[sour solstice]

Yeah

and those people are right

[lucid karma]

He hates new WAR

[sour solstice]

Looking at it

[paper torrent]

That's fair

[wet stag]

See the thing is

[paper torrent]

Old WAR was fun for different reasons

[sour solstice]

Dropping 50% of your damage if you get fucked during a 10s window

sounds pretty bad

[wet stag]

4.1 war had a strict rotation, so it was probably fucked for some fights

4.2 war is a lot more flexible

Current drk is already super flexible

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow reason to delay IR by 30 secs is due to mechanics

It's in the middle of Big trine

And if you are unlucky

You'll need to cross to the other side of the platform

[paper torrent]

Godka rng

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

👌 😂

[scenic patrol]

Right after that it's rush and then Wings

So you are forced to delay

I once used IR during far wings

I managed to not lose a GCD

I am a God

[lucid karma]

Imagine being angry but mech forces you to be somewhere else

Like how our MT during O7S prog

IR during virus for some fucking reason

But he had to be in position

So IR loss

[scenic patrol]

You IR right before Virus though

[lucid karma]

Delayed

So he took gamble

[scenic patrol]

Stop fucking delaying then!

[lucid karma]

And loses

[scenic patrol]

Delaying IR outside of planned shit is straight up terrible this tier

It's so fucking garbage

[lucid karma]

Make WAR flexible

But also make mechs fuck with timings

Classic

I like it tho because it punishes bad play

[pure yoke]

Every bloodspiller is a chess match

a battle of massive iq

[sour solstice]

!action bloodspiller

[storm frost]

**Bloodspiller** : lvl 68 Dark Knight (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 400.
Dark Arts Potency: 540
Grit Potency: 475
Dark Arts+Grit Potency: 650
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Dark Arts fades upon execution.

[sour solstice]

seems like a 300 IQ skill to me /s

[lucid karma]

It's not that hard

[sour solstice]

oops

forgot the .s

[lucid karma]

Oh

But yeah the fuck is with those number lol

I know it's to compensate grit damage loss

[sour solstice]

why not just do the WAR thing

and be like

[paper torrent]

Is BS dps positive? The world will never know

[sour solstice]

"THIS SKILL IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE DAMAGE PENALTY FROM GRIT"

its not that hard

[wet stag]

If it replaces a hard slash or Syphon strike it is

[lucid karma]

Hi do you like a skill that number alone is hard hitting but you still feel like wet noodle?

[wet stag]

Or was it just hard slash

I forget

[paper torrent]

See

Thr world will never know

[lucid karma]

Even DRK main does not know

[wet stag]

Well I know if it replaces hard slash it's a definite gain

So

There's that

Just end on soul eater every time ez

[paper torrent]

WHEEZEE

[sour solstice]

see

you are playing in a world where diversion exists

so some of us get to end on the aggro one

[lucid karma]

Implying those BLM fucks ever use it

[dull radish]

why use diversion when lucid exists <3

[lucid karma]

Okay change BLM to SAM

They love orange aggro

[kindred bison]

i think PF Strats gotta be improved for my group...

[woeful prawn]

weekly o6 blackmage got snapshotted by the shear

[paper torrent]

REKT

[lucid karma]

Nice

[woeful prawn]

at 2:00 minutes so he didnt use diversion or lucid

[paper torrent]

Also report the WAR

[kindred bison]

look in general to see

[lucid karma]

Not WAR fault tbh

If you don't use aggro management you'll have bad time

[paper torrent]

He's not respecting the content

./s

[vital cypress]

“Can you just pug 7 so we can jump onto 8 on Friday”

guess I’m not getting a book this week

[sour solstice]

Pugging 7

[vital cypress]

we were trying out a few people this week

one was switching roles and ehhhhhhhhh

and the NIN ragequit before we even pulled The Train

[sour solstice]

wat

[vital cypress]

which has to be a record

[sour solstice]

why

[vital cypress]

"well since you're new to tanking let's go over how we do this"

[sour solstice]

[vital cypress]

"I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FUCKING REAL STATIC"

quits

well okay

shit, dodged a bullet on that one i'd say

[lucid karma]

????

[vital cypress]

we had a new tank that was running with us for the first time (who was excellent by the way)

and the tanks spent like 3 minutes planning out Tank Stuff that I don't understand

about a minute into this, the NIN threw a hissy fit, called people all sorts of shit, and left

[lucid karma]

oof

I don't understand that mindset

but wait it is almost like someone was expecting carry

so yeah you dodged big bullet there

[vital cypress]

i mean

we cleared first time

a weirdly sloppy 5 for our group but the MNK was also new

or new to the role

[opaque tide]

I know BRD wants as much crit as possible but how much is an acceptable amount? Like for BLM how they want alot of sps but certain amounts are 'okay' to have

[scenic patrol]

There's no such thing as enough Crit on BRD

It's the most crit focused job possible

[boreal edge]

there is no acceptable amount

just get all the crit you are able

cause crit just get better and better the more u stack in it

unlike blm at very high sps it start to do negative returns

[scenic patrol]

And on BRD it's more exaggerated

Due to crit procs

[boreal edge]

in the end

even at

2500 crit

you still can

get only 2 procs in whole 30 secs

[scenic patrol]

RNG based jobs are funnnnnnn

[boreal edge]

its not exagerratted

but a proc is close to GCD usage in pot worth

so if we to compare

is 40 more dps in whole fight is better

or more crit that can make u do 3 extra procs

which are more than enough to cross that 40 dps

by equipping higher ilvl gear without crit

i would keep playing mch

but god some fights are nightmares as one

such as o3s o7s hell even kefaust

[scenic patrol]

O7S

HEALERS FUCKING ADJUST!

[torn kindle]

I love that pin from the balance

O7S with MCH opener? Stand away from others and tell healers to adjust

[boreal edge]

or just

delay the opener by one gcd

[torn kindle]

Unacceptable

[boreal edge]

it doesnt cost much

the loss is close to 10 dps at best

not big enough to chance a cannon on myself

[torn kindle]

What if that 10 DPS got you a gold? /s

[scenic patrol]

Desync with Trick Attack though

[boreal edge]

dude o7s is alot worse than a cannon on the face

as mch

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow, O7S is the worst possible fight for MCH

It's better to bring a 3rd melee

[boreal edge]

mchs even ask to kill their airforce add

to keep WF going

[scenic patrol]

Oof

[torn kindle]

I’d say it sucks for Fisher since there’s no water

[scenic patrol]

Lol

[boreal edge]

WF used on boss

boss flies at 2 secs left

cause fuck u

[scenic patrol]

Lol

[torn kindle]

:noose:

[scenic patrol]

[boreal edge]

only o5s o6s and godka

that are good as mch

[scenic patrol]

O6S is good for everyone

[boreal edge]

is why i stopped playing mch

[scenic patrol]

[boreal edge]

half raid fights werent made with mch in mind

it seems

[scenic patrol]

If BRD wasn't meta you would possibly bring a 4th melee

[torn kindle]

TFW caster will never get a chance

;-;

[sullen sable]

nah smn is better than sam

because sam

[torn kindle]

LOLSAM

[scenic patrol]

Wait, isn't SAM the 4th melee job?

[torn kindle]

RDM kinda counts as melee

[zinc vortex]

tfw like playing both sam and blm

am i a cursed player

[torn kindle]

Extremely

Play RDM too for the trifecta

[scenic patrol]

Aye

Gotta Uninstall

[zinc vortex]

don't tell me what to do thanks

[heavy mist]

BLM is actually nb honestly

🤔

if u wanted raw dmg

[zinc vortex]

no but you see

i have to conform to other people here

[heavy mist]

why conform when u can meme

[boreal edge]

blm is fine

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/0fc9d0e5e35594a291b193ae1d3c821d-png.jpg

[heavy mist]

it honestly is

just need to learn the fight and its 👌

[spring dock]

how are you not spearya

!!!

also that bed dps

brd

[vital cypress]

i'm confused

I PFd O7S and everything went pretty well

3 or 4 wipes then a clear

everyone's supposed to ragequit after the second one

[heavy mist]

🤔

sounds normal to me

[vital cypress]

iono

i'm just used to party finder being an awful salt mine where everyone calls each other the rudest words known to man

[boreal edge]

@spring dock if you look at fight duration you would know its a wipe

[spring dock]

ur fault

[vital cypress]

did you get kicked

because it was clearly your fault for using a non-meta job

[zinc vortex]

good blm performs well in trash party more news at 11

[stable basin]

@wet stag What is your usual AoE (trash) rotation in 70 dungeons as DRK? (Think, Hells' Lid)

[wet stag]

Depends on how much you trust your healer

And your own gear

[stable basin]

Uhm

[wet stag]

I'm not even joking lol

[stable basin]

With randoms, very little

[wet stag]

Aye

[stable basin]

But say you keep Grit on

And full Eureka gear

[wet stag]

Pull with unleash, group them, salted earth, abyssal drain once or twice,

If you don't have MP for dadp wait until quietus is available then use that

If you have mp get dadp off as soon as possible

Then if you're starved for MP and don't have blood hard slash Syphon strike

Don't souleater

[stable basin]

But isn't dadp a waste of MP when you could do daad with higher potency plus healing?

[wet stag]

Do you want things to die faster

Also dude

268 potency per enemy, no damage falloff

That's a fuckin nuke

Stronger than holy

[stable basin]

So dadp is good?

[wet stag]

!action flare

[storm frost]

**Flare** : lvl 50 Black Mage (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals fire damage to a target and all enemies nearby it with a potency of 260 for the first enemy, 15% less for the second, 30% less for the third, 45% less for the fourth, 60% less for the fifth, and 70% less for all remaining enemies.
Additional Effect: Grants Astral Fire III and removes Umbral Ice
Duration: 13s

[steady pebble]

fk u

[wet stag]

It's FUCKING GOOD

Stronger than flare

[stable basin]

Okok

So pull with Unleash, Salted Earth, DA+DP asap or in between AD (no DA on AD)

[wet stag]

Whenever you have 2+ targets use dadp

Only daad if you urgently need healing

Also remember to pop a cooldown

Otherwise regular ad

[stable basin]

What about using C&S on trash (no DA) for quick MP?

[wet stag]

Oh I do that

I mean

[stable basin]

Ah ok, just checking

[wet stag]

Only on 3+ targets tho

Since on 2 targets I just single target both of tbem

But now that I think about it

!action abyssal drain

[storm frost]

**Abyssal Drain** : lvl 56 Dark Knight (2.5 second cooldown)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 120 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Additional Effect: Increased enmity
Dark Arts Effect: Absorbs a portion of damage dealt as HP
Dark Arts fades upon execution.

[stable basin]

Do you DA Quietus?

[wet stag]

Oh nvm it's fine

Only if I'm about to cap like crazy on mp

Example: fractal hard, first wall to wall after the first boss

Drop grit, bw quietus

[stable basin]

Ah ok. I was told DP is a waste on more than 2 targets.. Aka that DP is a DPS gain on exactly 2 targets

[wet stag]

You get like 10k MP from that lol

That's false

The dps gain only increases as the number of enemies goes up

[stable basin]

I suppose DP being off GCD is also good in that regard

[wet stag]

Absolutely yeah

[stable basin]

What bothers me is that (DA+)AD breaks the combo

[wet stag]

Double weave ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable basin]

Weave is life

[wet stag]

I actually kinda did like napkin math on why dadp is a dps increase on 2 targets

[lucid karma]

Flare does get damage bonus from astral fire tho

[wet stag]

Lemme find it one sec

[dull radish]

Do keep in mind Flare gets AF3 bonus to potency haha but yeah, having no drop-off is pretty lovely

[lucid karma]

So it deals fuckton of damage

[wet stag]

Sshhhhhhhhhh

Let me dream

[stable basin]

On exactly 2 targets?

Or 2+ targets?

[wet stag]

I did mine on exactly 2, but keep in mind the dps increase increases as the number of enemies increases

http://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/8gq08l/what_drk_changes_do_you_want_to_see_in_43/dydz5tj

[stable basin]

It's a pretty big MP sink though, so it's kinda like... DADP vs DAAD for me? Like I don't get it

[wet stag]

No it's not dadp Vs daad

It's dadp Vs 4 ads

[stable basin]

But DAAD is what restores your HP

[wet stag]

While 4 ads does come out to higher potency per MP, dadp is a massive dps gain

[stable basin]

When you healer is

[wet stag]

Yeah but if you don't need healing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

You can get enough MP in 4 gcds dude

Even if you don't have quietus

[stable basin]

That's pretty slow though.. 4 gcds

But then again I have like.. No sks melds

e.e

[wet stag]

If your healer is and is just cure botting it's plenty of time lol

In that case you wait for 50 blood before you daad

So you can get a quietus/naked delirium off for MP regen

You only need 3720 MP for daad

[stable basin]

Naked delirium is like.. I can't bring myself to use it

If I use it it feels like why am I playing this job to begin with

[wet stag]

I mean sure if you're not comfortable with it you don't have to

That's what I'm recommending tho

I guess you could delirium blood price for a bit more mp

Might be useful

Oh

And also remember to use sole survivor

I always forget lol

[stable basin]

Me too, I actually feel proud for a moment when I do remember

Do you often drop Blood Weapon in between pulls and stuff? It's a good thing to do when for example on Byakko EX inbetween phases

[wet stag]

I always forget in o7s

[stable basin]

But inbetween pulls?

[wet stag]

I rmb on train tho

What do you mean by drop blood weapon

[stable basin]

OH

Shit

Wait

Wat is that thing called

Darkside

[wet stag]

Lmfao

Nah I don't bother honestly

I drop it for byakko

But not pulls

[stable basin]

Ah alright

What about pulling the boss and dropping Grit in dungeons? What is the fastest way to generate a shitton of aggro?

[wet stag]

Unmend hard slash spinning slash dark arts power slash drop grit

Dark arts power slash generates a fuckton of aggro

Then you pray your dps are either equally shit or equally good

Bc if you keep up good deeps

They should almost rip aggro just as the boss dies

[stable basin]

Ah I do the same but it feels like it takes too long

Well dds and heals need to manage their own enmity

[wet stag]

yeah ofc

just saying that if one dps is super good while the other is trash

[stable basin]

But if they never heard of aggro reduction abilities then I guess another aggro combo with DA is a given ;-;

[wet stag]

yeah

i mean if it makes you feel better you can do 2 daps combos

[stable basin]

Yeah Idk, dps loss

[wet stag]

its a dungeon

no one cares lol

[pure hawk]

if you upgrade the ryuumaku items with a meld already on it to the upgraded version do you keep the meld?

[sullen sable]

No, but you can try removing the melds before you upgrade and hoping for the best

[lucid karma]

As DRK you know you're doing good when AST gives you balance rather than DPS

Even though dps do AoE

[spice comet]

Gotta love when i check highest dps and its a war over an actual dps

[sour solstice]

you mean like this?

[lucid karma]

Honest healer detected

[pure sierra]

i had to double check and make sure that white mage wasnt me lol

[paper torrent]

Even worse, honest whm in skalla

[young wharf]

Truuuuuu

[sour solstice]

Should I just vendor or MB tenacity 6s?

Or I guess give em to the gobbie

[paper torrent]

Yeah the 3rs

Save like 2 tho

Cause you may need them for WAR melds

[sour solstice]

People meld tenacity?

[paper torrent]

Yeah DH on WAR sucks that much ass

They're fairly equal iirc

[sour solstice]

[paper torrent]

Ideally for bis

You wanna meld sks

Before those 2

[steep iris]

chances are his gcd is less than 2.38 tho

[paper torrent]

But 2 much speed

Ye

2.35

MonkaS

I hate tome gear

[sour solstice]

im currently at 2.38

Because thats how my gear has worked out

[steep iris]

tfw my war gear has too much sks

[sour solstice]

!whoattributes @sour solstice

[storm frost]

Yalia Sagewhisper of Famfrit

Attributes of Level 63 Bard

HP

24302

MP

7386

Strength

211

Dexterity

1615

Vitality

1258

Intelligence

200

Mind

191

Critical Hit Rate

781

Determination

675

Direct Hit Rate

763

Defense

1264

Magic Defense

1264

Attack Power

1615

Skill Speed

746

Magic Power

200

Healing Potency

191

Spell Speed

357

Tenacity

357

Piety

236

[spring dock]

no

[paper torrent]

Monkas

[spring dock]

waht

[sour solstice]

fuck

stupid bard

[lucid karma]

746 ss on BRD

at lvl 63

s p e e d y b o i

[paper torrent]

😂 👌

[sour solstice]

Aug shire

whats my GCD anyway

[steep iris]

meld sps on pld

[sour solstice]

2.39

[steep iris]

h o l y s p i r i t

[sour solstice]

not that speedy

[paper torrent]

If you omni your melds are different

[lucid karma]

personally BRD faster than 2.45 starts to feel weird when double weaving

[sour solstice]

Eh I can double weave no prob

Feels pretty nice tbh

[spice comet]

Meanwhile i was at like 2.38 on sch

[lucid karma]

nah I mean personally

since my ping is trash

[spice comet]

I blame the sigma gear

[sour solstice]

high Paeon stacks and it gets a little

[lucid karma]

I can deal with that

but then there's this AST

with enhanced arrow

[sour solstice]

[lucid karma]

w a r p s p e e d

I don't mind that much outside mage's ballad

[paper torrent]

Give that to nin

😂 👌

[sour solstice]

or your MCH

[spice comet]

Mudra fassster

[boreal edge]

@lucid karma my brd has 900 ss

[sour solstice]

S L O W B O Y E

[boreal edge]

and 4 stacks AP is 2.01 secs

its ok

[sour solstice]

my WHM is currently at like 960

[lucid karma]

mine's 2029

[spice comet]

I think my highest was 1.3 sps sch, piety and sps is a dumb substat

[steep iris]

!whoattributes @steep iris

[lucid karma]

MonkaS

[sour solstice]

W A T

[storm frost]

Frey Luna of Ultros

Attributes of Level 70 Astrologian

HP

40846

MP

17849

Strength

148

Dexterity

295

Vitality

2016

Intelligence

305

Mind

2854

Critical Hit Rate

1960

Determination

1372

Direct Hit Rate

364

Defense

2171

Magic Defense

3794

Attack Power

148

Skill Speed

364

Magic Power

2854

Healing Potency

2854

Spell Speed

1270

Tenacity

364

Piety

1158

[boreal edge]

the fk

[steep iris]

o man

im pretty fast now

[sour solstice]

wheres the tables

[boreal edge]

i had 1300 as ninja almost killed myself

[steep iris]

i used to have like 800 sps lmao

[spice comet]

Also that piety dump

[sour solstice]

with the SPS threshholds

[lucid karma]

2206 ss on RDM

[sour solstice]

2.2k on RDM?

OOF

[lucid karma]

h i g h s p e e d s t ab b y

[boreal edge]

at 1300 my gcd as ninja was 1.90

[steep iris]

@spice comet some of my gear has pie

[spice comet]

S p e e d m a g e

Yea i think the bis ended at 900ish piety

About 16k mp

[steep iris]

yea, i aint bis yet

[spice comet]

The augmented tome before was like

[steep iris]

need a couple more weeks for bis with low pie

[spice comet]

Sps! Piety! Kms

[lucid karma]

for casters/healers high SS feels just right to me

because I don't main them anyway

[steep iris]

And i melded like 1 pie 1 vit

[lucid karma]

having BLM with 2.22 base gcd is like

on crack

[steep iris]

cause god kefka has my mp sweating

i think i can do without it now tho

[spice comet]

My paronoid meld is piety nd sps

Yea in most cases i find 16k fine its when ppl drop like flies

Then not rly

I was running around in 19k mp, all dps died once we cleared somehow

[sour solstice]

wow PF doesnt suck nearly as much balls with duty complete on

[azure hill]

Yeah

Having bonus is kind of being in purgatory

[paper torrent]

I have had so many farm parties

With new bonis

[azure hill]

I think some things like O5S will never be smooth

[sour solstice]

I mean we oneshot O5s so

[azure hill]

But that [Duty Completed] tag is a magic thing that increases success rates immensely

[sour solstice]

0 chest run but still

[unreal flax]

I'm tryna get that tag for O7S lol

[dull radish]

Gotta get folks together to help you out <3

[sour solstice]

like the average DPS in the party was something like 5.2

[unreal flax]

I knowwww.

[sour solstice]

compared to the groups I usually get that have like 3.5

time to watch an O6s vid now

[lucid karma]

it's real ez, I went in blind and got to enrage on 3rd pull

[spice comet]

Its hit the dummy, the fight

[steep iris]

i can help out if you don't mind 0-1 chest brit

[spice comet]

Ezer than 5

[lucid karma]

healer have to deal with mechanics tho

so there's that

[spice comet]

Dont be a tank

[lucid karma]

but DPS/MT are pretty much burn boss down

[spice comet]

Dont be a healer

[unreal flax]

I don't mind that at all. When do you normally raid?

[spice comet]

Ta da