Why would i need mana shift
#endgame-lounge
steep iris
mana shift thr pld
dull radish
I've mana shifted PLD sometimes
scenic patrol
Problem with Samurai is the same problem with Dark Knight
spice comet
Mana? But that means ppl died
scenic patrol
People that play none meta jobs tend to be less skilled
zinc vortex
and here I am, getting thrown off when the Siren mana regen comes in in o6s
spice comet
Meh let them stay ded my dps....!!
zinc vortex
scenic patrol
dull radish
I wouldn't say people that play non-meta jobs tend to be less skilled, really
scenic patrol
Lol
dull radish
and you'll see haha
zinc vortex
this monkey right here
sour solstice
SAM and RDMs tend to be less skilled on O5s especially from my experience
scenic patrol
Well, not to the extreme that I implied
paper torrent
Johnny wouldn't know
steep iris
rdm is easy to play
spice comet
I feel its cause its just theres more bad
sour solstice
Displacement is a hard mechanics Frey
spice comet
Yea ez job means more ppl play
steep iris
he has a drk parse in 6s hehe
zinc vortex
sour solstice
!whologs @scenic patrol
storm frostBOT
scenic patrol
My DRK is shit
steep iris
non meta job player confirmed
sour solstice
What DRK parse
steep iris
oh shi
scenic patrol
Also since I name changed Kupo no longer takes my DRK logs
steep iris
oh
steep iris
thought i was wrong for a sec
zinc vortex
that's a lotta big boy talk johni
stable basin
I've noticed that SAM seem to really often go to extremes
zinc vortex
paper torrent
Drk players arent using the class to its fullest potential
lucid karma
also true
stable basin
Like, they tend to be either really good or really mediocre, there's not a lot of in between
lucid karma
SAM is either shit or godlike
paper torrent
😂 👌
spice comet
Its always the player
scenic patrol
SAM has quite a high skill ceiling
spice comet
paper torrent
Pf tho
paper torrent
Oh no
steep iris
also
paper torrent
We lost him bois
steep iris
no god kefka clear yet smh
lucid karma
hear TA whack noise
"forgive me my master, for I have to go all out this time"
steep iris
go clear it today
steep iris
you've pretty much got the clear once you've made it past 3rd cleanly once
spice comet
F4 basically there
lucid karma
3 and 4 are the same aren't they?
zinc vortex
👀
scenic patrol
Didn't yet, which is why it's still prog
steep iris
ya
scenic patrol
And not clear
spice comet
Knockback
paper torrent
Do it Johni
spice comet
Oh f4 has
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TAKE MY ENERGYYYYY
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Narnia
scenic patrol
spice comet
paper torrent
😂 👌
steep iris
nice meme
steep iris
same
steep iris
you better clear this week
scenic patrol
Hope so as well
lucid karma
attempts on spelling attempts
steep iris
👀
dull radish
a tempest of attempts
zinc vortex
sour solstice
Why didnt you misspell tempest
sour solstice
wheres that post
scenic patrol
You didn't prog O8S though
paper torrent
OOF
zinc vortex
rescued out of ley lines off the train cart
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exposed
sour solstice
scenic patrol
sour solstice
this is cleaving the raid
zinc vortex
contrary to popular believe i have fun every once in a while
sour solstice
stollen from Dev_Nights
paper torrent
OOF
scenic patrol
IR IB for self sustain
zinc vortex
like my dun scaith alliance roulette yesterday where me and my SCH tried to rescue our MCH into death as often as possible
sour solstice
IR IB is the best tbh
paper torrent
just alt f4
steep iris
in the arms of an angel
sour solstice
Ive gotten norm clears because the healers died and I kept myself up with IR IB
steep iris
it actually surprised me how many people did whm/ast in god
steep iris
fucking aggro man
sour solstice
IR IB is fine if your healers are dead
stable basin
Heh, I've seen PF try to tell me WHM/AST "cannot complete the specified duty" sometimes
sour solstice
or if you are running solo shit
stable basin
Shinryu, I think it was
spice comet
Theres one spot where ast needs to star during second otherwise ast nvr takes aggro
paper torrent
no it's not even good during that lol
spice comet
Its only whm so its comfy
stable basin
I still haven't quite understood why it gives that warning sometimes out of the blue
paper torrent
if you're at like 2% you're going to use fucking FC
spice comet
IR IB i repeat reeeeeee
sour solstice
10%
paper torrent
😓
sour solstice
norm
stable basin
like, everyone's on a combat job, there aren't more than four dps, two tanks, or two healers, the needed slots are appropriately set
sour solstice
got a clear because IB
paper torrent
oh you're fucked either way lmao
spice comet
Kill it before it kills u legit
stable basin
and "cannot complete the duty with this composition" warning pops up
paper torrent
unless lb was up
spice comet
Just reeeeee
sour solstice
I aint saying its good
steep iris
the jobs were prob out of order
zinc vortex
i think raid finder does this thing where it considers double caster/double ranged dps a non-standard comp
but dont quote me on that
spice comet
Or they were crafter befoee
sour solstice
Its better than just sitting on your ass with IR off CD
spice comet
No reason whm ast cant queue
stable basin
nah, Furry
it was specifically marking the healers with the !'s
it will tell you which jobs it thinks aren't right
steep iris
it's a bug
spice comet
Bug
steep iris
and earthly star is so comfy tbh
literally best thing ever for forsakens
first forsaken pop it after ultima
second forsaken pop it before LoJ
spice comet
Theres not a single part in god where u have no gcd btwn raid wides so yeah ast whm works as well as sch
steep iris
third and fourth pop it after ultima too
spice comet
Rip chain tho
steep iris
feelscomfyman
spice comet
My chain 👀
stable basin
actually are there even any currently existing fights for which there are unwinnable comps (synced ofc, in case of 50/60 content) assuming that you have the normal 2-2-4?
dull radish
ultimate probably
stable basin
FF seems to have been pretty good when it comes to not making any specific job absolutely mandatory, at least
stable basin
actually, it might be the only MMO I know of for which that's the case, unless SWTOR managed it too (actually it probably did, because both sides do the same raids and only the Force jobs are perfect functional mirrors)
stable basin
WoW had multiple raids where a specific class was required, and LOTRO did also (try doing any of the 50 content without specifically having a Minstrel healer on hand, you will keel over)
ultimate oh. you remind me i wanted those bahamut weapons once - once. but its not like i will survive O4s to make that happen.
you only need O4S for that, Darri
spice comet
Oh ooof
stable basin
O8S will only get you UWU
oh yeah, the numbers, but i was at fixing it
i still find it confusing with all the O this and O that >.<
and O4S is easier now, worst case you'll have to do it unsync next xpac but then it will be silly easy as long as you don't fall off
so i tend to mess them up
spice comet
Nah neo still has mechs
stable basin
we're not talking things like A8S (which still has serious bite even now)
spice comet
Less but gco
stable basin
you think the black/white mech is more deadly then?
anything that's straight numbers tends to heavily self nerf with tier progression/unsync
or which one is it?
spice comet
Snek
zinc vortex
o8s should be easy enough with a properly geared team
steep iris
white hole REEEE
zinc vortex
you can burn down onslaughter before regulators, you can burn robots before any of the hard mechanics
stable basin
and almagest
spice comet
U have to....do
zinc vortex
the only thing you need to survive
is first intermission
and then you can burn winged justice before gavel goes off
stable basin
like A3S/A4S/A6S have gone from absolute brutality to simply challenging because the mechs will still wreck you but the numbers checks are basically nothing now
dull radish
don't you skip first intermission, and only get second one
stable basin
A8S is just so long and mechanical that it's still serious Savage even now
zinc vortex
got confused because you only get one intermission
zinc vortex
it really isn't seriously savage right now
all you need to do is survive the 2nd intermission
and tbh, EVERYBODY can survive enumeration
spice comet
Ultimates the srs savage
zinc vortex
with a shield
stable basin
never heard of A# raid before
sour solstice
A# was the HW raid tier
zinc vortex
you can survive chakrams
sour solstice
Alexander
zinc vortex
you can even survive chakrams + failing the mirage with a shield
sour solstice
nope
stable basin
no, the 8-mans
sour solstice
I mean Alexander
zinc vortex
the only thing that still actively kills you in o8s is mega beam, seeds of the sky
and ultra flash
sour solstice
Coil 
lusty oak
and failing gavel
zinc vortex
you can burn it before gavel goes off
zinc vortex
you can skip height error
sour solstice
you mean A8s
boreal edge
you cant fail gavel
boreal edge
its a wipe
zinc vortex
before the cast goes off
boreal edge
you can skip it
dull radish
or you just skip it
boreal edge
with good dps
stable basin
IIRC Rika the issue is that the tank will dodge the mech that gives their required debuff for Gavel
zinc vortex
the only thing you need to do during gavel if you're burning is the 2 regulators
dull radish
bosses get better accuracy from hitting you from behind
you'll pretty much always get those autos to cleanse stacks
and you can plan to take other damage too like going to soak extra orbs
sour solstice
TIL on the accuracy thing
stable basin
and yeah, cheese HW mechanics with care, because most of the ones that are meant to kill you are pretty damn future proofed
SE learned from all those ARR EX primals that don't one shot unsynced folks xD
stable basin
SB they've taken out even more insurance, AFAIK Shinryu's wing enrages are the strongest attacks in the entire game
lol, by that time
i lost interest in titan wpn glam :x
and better weapon glam is available
they deal 999999, even Savage enrages do only a fraction of that if you watch the numbers fly by as you die
sour solstice
titan glam sucks
stable basin
i would've considered the axe at least
sour solstice
books and gun are good I guess
stable basin
(shinny's own enrage doesn't seem to do damage, it just dumps you off the side like lakshmi's)
boreal edge
iirc winged justice cant miss you
he gets a buff make all his attacks cant be dodged
dull radish
no you can dodge the autos
stable basin
if you are playing a pretty immobile class like SMN, most attacks feel like undodgable to me :x
zinc vortex
he can miss
had it happen
keep playing, i'm assuming you're not level 38 yet. summoner is a fairly mobile class
ruin 2 helps a lot
dull radish
no
stable basin
lol? my SMN RDM and SAM are 70 @zinc vortex
boreal edge
and whatever healers get
dull radish
the only annoying one is the one where tanks have to take a certain count of hits
to cleanse stacks
stable basin
i just said how it felt when i last played shinryu as SMN. which was months ago
boreal edge
or just eat orbs with healers
stable basin
welp, not everyone can have excellent fps on top of that
zinc vortex
i didn't feel like i had this issue when i played smn
well im playing on 25fps average
im on a laptop
and that's not stopping me
stable basin
yeah summoner is about as mobile as RDM if not even more so
dull radish
orbs don't completely solve the issue @boreal edge
stable basin
it's kind of hard to really compare since RDM gets a mobility cast every other cast but SMN gets a whole phase of it every dreadwyrm
playing with 10 fps sure shows if you are pressing all buttons including springt and you still cant evade
spice comet
Smn is mobile
stable basin
and this PC o' mine is not even 1 year old
and i adjusted graphic settings and stuff to increase fps
😒
spice comet
🤔
zinc vortex
i'd honestly say it's time to upgrade then
people tell me to upgrade from my 25fps but
spice comet
Ur comp is shitz yea
stable basin
there was some freaky lag this last weekend though
zinc vortex
10fps is unplayablle
stable basin
*15
did a couple byakkos Friday night and a bunch of people were having trouble dodging Fire and Lightning
boreal edge
been ages since i done a8s to the moment i forgot how to do it
zinc vortex
i rarely tell people to upgrade because i know what it's like to have a low-power machine and very limited funds
boreal edge
a full paragraph to do it iirc
stable basin
my guess is the internets were clogged with it being May the Fourth and everyone streaming SW
zinc vortex
but it might be beneficial for you to start setting aside some cash for an upgrade
stable basin
oh? still you tell me to upgrade :p
zinc vortex
yes :p
stable basin
lol
stable basin
if it means... well... recent events would make me rather quit than upgrade for just ffxiv
steep iris
what year the pc was bought doesn't mean it isn't crap tho
zinc vortex
fair enough
stable basin
because i told some ppl here earlier reasons
dull radish
tank takes x number of autos, then goes to take tornado while other tank vokes and takes more autos to cleanse rest of stacks @boreal edge . Not enough orbs to go around
zinc vortex
all i'm trying to say is that fps shouldn't turn your class immobile
stable basin
Yeah my best friend has an utter potato laptop and she can still do O5S
it's a waste of money to upgrade for a game where people in cross-world bash you for every action you do or dont do.
zinc vortex
summoner is, on average, a fairly mobile class
stable basin
It makes me SMH at my RL friends who keep choosing WoW
dull radish
the only annoying part unsynced is those tank stacks
steep iris
you can buy a chromebook and can't play ffxiv at all
boreal edge
i wanna upgrade to ps4 pro but i wanna see if PS5 confirmed by this year E3
stable basin
Especially since a lot of them are like "but can my computer handle XIV"
zinc vortex
with the potential of essentially 100% uptime
boreal edge
with 8th as tornado
dull radish
you dodge them
this is the issue with doing it unsynced, if you don't burn before gavel
stable basin
is dodge actually just related to IL? :p
zinc vortex
it seems to be related more to normal level than anything else
boreal edge
but in i370 i guess
dull radish
yeah, it's due to level disparity
zinc vortex
ever tried hitting an overworld mob a couple levels higher than you?
you'll miss quite a bit
same concept applies here, except in reverse
boreal edge
guess they didnt see acc change coming
dull radish
yeah
but it's not too bad since you can turn around and give them a "lower accuracy cap"
or even decent parties can burn past it now and ignore
boreal edge
if ps5 is indeed to come in 2019 like rumors saying might just wait til ps5
stable basin
was some more info about ridorana "leaked" lately?
about entry IL and so on
what's there to know? it's going to be 360 gear, it's going to be greed only
scenic patrol
Hope that PS5 is going to be able to play PS4 games
Honestly
Currently own a pro
stable basin
and hopefully the gear isn't 80s orange leisure suit ugly like the Raba gear
scenic patrol
And I want to replay GoW at some point
boreal edge
friday
stable basin
lol, "orange leisure suit ugly"
I wonder if patch is the 22nd or 29th
so that's how you think about FFTactics class design 🤔
scenic patrol
We'll know by the next LL
boreal edge
should be if it follow PS4 design which mostly will happen @scenic patrol
scenic patrol
I think
boreal edge
22nd
lusty oak
always 11 days after trailer
boreal edge
11 days between trailer and patch
scenic patrol
They said end of May or earlier
stable basin
can't wait to see all those wipes in the first week
scenic patrol
Which is either 22/29
stable basin
entry ilvl will be 335 I'm presuming
boreal edge
been always 11 days
boreal edge
between trailer and patch
stable basin
Ridorana
scenic patrol
Which is?
boreal edge
lighthouse will be i340
stable basin
UWU will be 370 almost for sure
lusty oak
24 meh
zinc vortex
the new deep dungeon my dude
stable basin
ridorana is the new 24
stable basin
well, seeing how Raba gear is related to FFTactics class design
stable basin
Ridorana will probably dig into FFXII outfits
I'd be surprised if the new deep dungeon even has an ilvl requirement
scenic patrol
24 shouldn't be higher than BiS previous patch
stable basin
if it's anything like potd you won't even be using regular gear in there
boreal edge
iirc raban was i310
stable basin
maybe the tank gear will looks like Basch's early armor, or Rassler's and whoever wears heavy armor in FF12
lusty oak
unless SE changes rules
stable basin
raba was 305
scenic patrol
It's meant as a catch up raid
stable basin
raba was 305 to enter and 330IL drops
iirc
and it was 175/205/235 for the HW 24 mans
stable basin
so probably gonna be 335 and 365 for the two remaining SBs
scenic patrol
So 335 for Lighthouse
stable basin
if there are going to be weapon drops... oh, the rng wars...
there won't be, Darri
24's don't drop weapons
only armor
only armors again, huh
stable basin
I'll probably mostly just try to get body pieces from Ridorana tbh
since those are the most pain in the ass to get high ilvl ones of otherwise
inb4 melee dex looks like vaan
😛
scenic patrol
Only leveling iirc
stable basin
either 2 weeks of tomestones, 4 weeks of normal raid (and that's not even as high ilvl), or having to clear all of Savage tier and possibly two months of farming it
stable basin
so yeah i'll probably look towards the 360 body pieces from Ridorana
and ignore most of the rest
stable basin
I'm not even sure how big an upgrade the 360 Ridorana bodies will be over the Anemos pentamelded, especially when Pagos drops and we get the upgrades for those
sour solstice
idk im a greed whore I dont look at what loot it is
sour solstice
yup
stable basin
anemos armor is 350
stable basin
so it's 10 ilvl vs. three extra materia slots
sour solstice
!item Farsha Anemos
storm frostBOT
stable basin
i was close 😛
probably depends on if the ridorana secondaries are shit
there have been some howlers
like the byakko bard weapon, or the mendacity gloves on pld
stable basin
sour solstice
zinc vortex
i really hope they reduce the grind in eureka
stable basin
and I'm not sure what ilvl the pagos tier upgrade is going to be for armor
steep iris
carpet axe
stable basin
tbh it's not even the grind Furry
the hourlong grind is what turns me off from eureka
steep iris
eureka grind isn't that bad
scenic patrol
Salam alekum
stable basin
it's that Pazuzu is going to be painful af to do with only 1-2 parties
sour solstice
@scenic patrol I guess we are carpet swingers
stable basin
mh, for me it is
with one party it might be the only 8 man fight in the game that will require 3 tanks
steep iris
1 week grind to 20 (for the first week at least) and then you're gucci for the other jobs
until you run out of anemos crystals
stable basin
(can't two tank zuzu because him and both adds are all different elements, any tank that tries to take two of the targets will melt)
scenic patrol
Just ignore the adds and don't heal
stable basin
when i happen to get into a fate train.... the chest surprise after wards cracks the motivation
stable basin
opens all chests to get piety V while maining DPS
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that's what mutamix is for darri
I keep reds, purples, and Strength VI
rest goes to mutamix to get those or craft/gather ones
yes, but there's still no guarantee you get a better out of them. transmutes into another bunch of Piety and Int materia
I also keep Tenacity VI at the moment just on the off chance that it isn't shit in 4.4, but I'll probably hand those to mutamix eventually too
scenic patrol
Lol, they won't change how the stat functions
It's perfectly balanced currently
If it was too much in either direction you would meld Tenacity like a monkey
stable basin
yeah, probably only way it becomes worth melding is if they decide to remove DH from non-DPS jobs
which I've heard suggested from time to time
stable basin
it would be great if healer jobs wouldnt get DH and DPS jobs wouldnt get additional INT/STR/DEX/Piet when their appropriate gears' stat is already maxed by default :x
scenic patrol
Piety is a healer stat just like Tenacity is a tank stat
stable basin
imagine we could all have a use for tenacity
healers would be overjoyed to be able to heal even more \o/
stable basin
something wrong with tossing lots of skillspeed/determination on WAR, tho?
and tenacity, if needed, that is.
stable basin
WAR already gets lots of free directhit/crit
scenic patrol
Crit is the best stat on Warrior
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Yeah, there's already too much SKS on tank gear this tier
scenic patrol
Due to the free crit
steep iris
having a sks tier at 2.38/2.43 iirc makes things line up well
scenic patrol
2.37 as well
stable basin
so skill speed sounds just nice of you run DPS stance to hack FellCleave on bosses during Release/Berserk
I'm stuck at 2.36 on PLD
steep iris
like, with my shitty war sks upheaval will always be late by like half a second to a second cause of the gcd animation lock
scenic patrol
Getting into IR without buffer HS is a pain in some GCD speeds
Delay the GCD Frey
Legit
Delay the GCD instead of UP
steep iris
i am casual war anyway heh
steep iris
wouldn't be playing at 2.34 gcd if i was maining it
paper torrent
I'm at 2.34
steep iris
plus i fucking suck at using things on cd
stable basin
mh... i have 2,37 on almost 65 iirc
paper torrent
Becsuse I'm not BIS
stable basin
Darri, they made things role specific for a reason though I think
scenic patrol
At worst I hear Salut at the start of the dungeon
stable basin
well.... johni... there are still Ds who don't agree with how i play lol
and you can meet them potentially around every corner in DF
part of it was to eliminate favored races for jobs
oh... salut...
scenic patrol
How do you play that people flame you?
stable basin
i guess i know what you mean
paper torrent
@spice comet good meme
scenic patrol
Ravin is salty
spice comet
IB in forsaken!
scenic patrol
stable basin
dunno. people might just be salty that i dont instantly pull the whole dungeon like they always want it in a speed run
BLM in particular had specific favored races before 4.0 because those few extra points of PIE sometimes meant an extra cast during astral fire before having to go to ice phase
spice comet
Salt for life i learned more about war than my meme war
stable basin
or if i do, the healer cannot keep up, still my fault. its all my fault, no matter what i do 😄
(which were they, lala and mooncat I think? I'm foggy now)
scenic patrol
Is there a reason not to do wall to wall in current expert?
Like legit there are only 2 hard pulls
dull radish
you did not go PIE for an extra cast in AF
scenic patrol
And they are both at Hell's Lid
stable basin
I mean, IIRC certain races got just enough extra mana from the natural racial PIE differences to make a difference?
high ether
there's no reason unless your healer is an idiot
or you don't know how to use cooldowns
spice comet
I alwags go wall to wall
junior basin
Second platform in Fractal Hm is a bit of a pain to wall to wall pull.
spice comet
And im the meme
paper torrent
DEJA VU
stable basin
johni, depends if your healer is new
spice comet
Drk knight ilvl 331 my healers prob wanna kill me lmao
stable basin
remember when you roulette you can get paired with someone doing the instance for the first time
paper torrent
I HAVE BEEN TO THIS PLACE BEFORE
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or in minimum gear for it
@high ether i dont see if it's my problem if i spread my buffs over the dungeon and the healer still keeps spamming holy and doenst even throw heals during my holmgang (at 1HP)
spice comet
Its how u learn im preparing them for future tanks and i do cd 👌
high ether
why are you attacking me
scenic patrol
I have time during first pull to judge a healer
dull radish
bit of piety just from race was decent back in ARR. In HW, you could potentially meld a bit of piety so you could always cast Thunder right away in UI regardless of MP tick timing, as dunesfolk lala you could get away with melding marginally less, but it was like a single meld of difference, that you could put on relic at end of HW
scenic patrol
If they are capable
high ether
i was answering johni
stable basin
it's the healers prob that he doesnt get his priority straight, DPS is okay if the tank is either not taking much damage, or above 40-60%, depending on mob damage
stable basin
the hell do you get 8ms ping Furry
oh, okay
you work in the SE datacenter building?
scenic patrol
I would love to wipe due to a healer spamming Holy instead of having a no dps healer
zinc vortex
for real though
stable basin
I think I usually get about 70 ms ish to NA last I checked
zinc vortex
press your fucking buttons you fucking monkeys
stable basin
120 to EU, 170 to JP
zinc vortex
is typically what people need
scenic patrol
I legit don't mind Wiping to healer DPS
stable basin
Even in WoW I never got better than low teens ping and that's even though I live in southern Cook County and IIRC the WoW datacenters are in Chicago
spice comet
Rare
scenic patrol
It's even a welcome thing
stable basin
8ms is just ... OMG
scenic patrol
I love seeing healers learn to dps
stable basin
if macros wouldn't be so limited, it would be actually a great asset for healers
zinc vortex
8ms doesn't do as much as people think it does
paper torrent
FINAL DESRINATION
stable basin
like not needing to change between your party members and enemies manually for healing
but just heal or DPS the "target's target"
scenic patrol
MO macros are decent last I heard
scenic patrol
Still a bit clunky
stable basin
its the thought... if it wasnt clunky
scenic patrol
But not terribly so
stable basin
yeah that's one of my biggest weaknesses when I try healing
paper torrent
I just use the party bar lmao
zinc vortex
macros are ass in this game
stable basin
you have to actually click on things a lot more, and it's easy to lose your mouse cursor in the heat of battle especially in single target fights
stable basin
@paper torrent fine for you but not everyone is you 😛
As RDM I'm not sure I really click on much at all during battle unless I need to rez someone or it's a multi targets fight
steep iris
in most cases switching targets won't clip your gcd
using macros will definitely clip
paper torrent
You have sub 8 ping
steep iris
cause macros don't queue reeee
spice comet
I want 8 ping
stable basin
And yeah only thing in combat I use macros for regularly is Shadow Flare
paper torrent
I would be more mad
spice comet
Holy shit
stable basin
i can say it's actually still playable on 16-17 fps
which tbh is probably faster in practice even with any macro delays than manually placing the reticle
(I use the "shadow flare on current target" macro)
paper torrent
Also mmo mouse
spice comet
Clicking isnt as slow as ppl think
paper torrent
I use alt and a number
stable basin
yeah there are times when I start to wonder if MMOs are designed around an assumption that you will shell out for an expensive mouse with tons of buttons
paper torrent
If i really feel so inclined
stable basin
^^
paper torrent
And I'm just using a g502
stable basin
I have a G300S
so far I've done fine
have to wonder about next expansion pack though, since I'm running out of key combos for which I do not need to be a morbol to press them
@stable basin blame the growing gaming hardware marketing for that
paper torrent
This game doesn't need an mmo mouse
spice comet
I stole a mouse
paper torrent
Shit like tank warrior in tera do
spice comet
Its pretty normal, one middle mouse button, left right click
paper torrent
Legit over 30 keybinds without buffs
stable basin
Yeah the main issue is that when you start getting in the 30-40 buttons needed handy range, you start needing so many combos you can press with one hand that eventually it's hard to make room for them without the extra buttons gaming gear
spice comet
Raided all of savage on it, yep shit mouse confirm op
paper torrent
Macro mice are cheap as hell anyway
stable basin
you don't wanna have to take your hand off the mouse to press things, so you need to type one handed, lewd as it sounds :p
good job remembering them all and not missclicking at heavy raid mechs 😛
spice comet
I misclick very rarely
But yea my hotbar is set up to the pixel
I remember it being off one night and it ruined everything
spice comet
Thats cancer lmao
paper torrent
P2w
stable basin
I caved in and got a $30 gaming mouse just for two extra gaming buttons when I mained PLD
mainly because O2S stance dancing was getting to be annoying with keys
and like hell if I'm gonna sword oath MT that one in a PUG
same with Shin Ex, the tank swaps are too high stakes to be wanting to risk it for more DPS in a PUG
Heh, maybe i shouldnt sub again after all what happened.
paper torrent
Game is dead anyway, wait till 4.3 to catch up
stable basin
i fear i won't withstand the 0 tolerance for mistakes bashing at 70 with WAR :X
aside from pressing buff buttons periodically
sour solstice
Thats not reallt a thing
stable basin
well, it was fun while it lasted.
sour solstice
We bash people in here but
People generally arent going to notice you missing an upheaval
spice comet
Bashing is only in savage, thats when the sharks will jump u
stable basin
oooh... will they? 😛
sour solstice
Like shit im garbage at WAR and ive gotten no flak
I had IR off CD for a full minute and no one noticed
Not savage
stable basin
"if ur bad"
sour solstice
People will call you out in Savage but thats part of the learning process
stable basin
is getting kicked and never getting a real chance to practice a part of learning too?
i doubt so
sour solstice
Nope
spice comet
But thats the thing if u go to savage its expected u improve ur gameplay theres no carries
sour solstice
I have never had that happen
spice comet
I nvr been kicked
spice comet
My drk is able to wipe a o7n pt and nvr been kicked, ppl dont care much
stable basin
maybe people are just more tolerant on your server or in your parties
stiff thorn
I've been kicked for doing too much dps
spice comet
Lmao
sour solstice
Or practice your rotation on a dummy
stable basin
famfrit was NA, yes?
sour solstice
Primal
sour solstice
Omega is Chaos IIRC
stable basin
yes, that's eu
cant say much for eu. my experiences is essentially ruined. and as much as a regret to name things, it's the supposed "endgame raid server" over here who makes me feel like total trash.
scenic patrol
Omega?
stable basin
namely, Odin.
sour solstice
You gonna take that Johni?
paper torrent
Johni is the shitest tank at respecting the content
stable basin
i dont see it as a part of the learning process if most people i get matched with, treat me like.. well.. yes. not very nice.
stable basin
i am not saying whole odin is this and that , but i just get to see the worst side of odin lately
scenic patrol
sour solstice
@paper torrent 
scenic patrol
Well, I don't bother with Dungoens anymore, so I dunno
spice comet
More the its df part
scenic patrol
I also wall to wall by default
stable basin
well... yes.. its the df part. but boy... they give your server a really bad name
spice comet
I do wall to wall, healer undergear....YoLO
sour solstice
stable basin
i am not defending my server, god no, there can be bad people too, i just speak of personal experiences going awry.
scenic patrol
It's a raiding server, so I am not that surprised
paper torrent
Everyone has shit community
spice comet
Wipe? Do IT AGAIN, legit amaze ppl havent kicked me in df lmao
scenic patrol
I dunno
paper torrent
They clearly have never done savage
sour solstice
Still better than WoW 90% of the time
spice comet
Savage is the salt mines
paper torrent
WoW community is pretty shit
stable basin
like i am a magnet or whatever. tell me what i can still do right in this game. cuz i am at a loss what is taked for granted and where you can people tell nicely "please use LB on non-boss cuz that yellow bar makes me have seizures"
🤔
sour solstice
Savage is debatable between the 3
scenic patrol
O7 and tyfp
stable basin
i can have a sharp eye when it comes to my party, actually. i even sacrifice DPS to rezz and heal ppl from certain death (when i should probably still keep DPSing), given i dont have to finish off the boss alone :x does that make me that bad of a player for keeping an eye out for my party? :X
spice comet
I macro hello in df
I dont even say gg one word 4 me
I cant tell cause idk ur experiences
stable basin
i just hate getting overly bashed for trying hard to improve and not even get acknowledged the slightest bit, that's all. no, instead you get kicked about a silly LB when our DPS is enough for instantce. it's not always easy to keep the balance with being nice.
i mean, people WANT you to improve in the end, do they not? :x
maiden iris
They want instant results
They don't care about you or the other party members
They just see you and everyone else as numbers really
To help them get better numbers so they can be king of the world
spice comet
Df is idk i autp pilot
stable basin
oh... wow... so we humans turn into numbers online. interesting concept.
and a little frighten
spice comet
If ur a tank, pull shit, healer heal, dps do dps and even those r like bare minimal
Healer dps? Dps doing good dps? Holy shit galaxy brain for df
maiden iris
All the other people care about is "am I getting killed, are they letting me do my leet rotation?"
zinc vortex
whenever someone tells a story about being kicked
im super cautious about believing them
because more often than not they're twisting the story
maiden iris
I have never been kicked on my SCH
spice comet
I nvr been kicked either its hard unless im toxic
maiden iris
When I make a mistake I immediately apologize and fix it
It humanizes the interaction a bit
spice comet
Wait but i am toxic if i spoke more than one word in most cases in df so yea amazed no kick
stable basin
@zinc vortex how does getting kicked without a reason pre-boss sound? because the party doesnt tell you to use LB, while you are already confused if you should or not if your party DPS is pretty good so far
stable basin
they didnt even say a thing, they just kicked.
or do people start kicking due to pending loot timers? wow, i must've been getting some pretty grown-up people in DF then.
i am not making this up. this really happened.
maiden iris
I really hate when people don't vote on the upgrade I desperately need
spice comet
This is where the cautious comes in
stable basin
Can't kick during loot roll
maiden iris
And I fume internally because my new armor isn't getting sent to me
spice comet
But what were u doing is where the suspicions r at
stable basin
They fixed that really early on because people were doing exactly that, kicking people who would beat their roll midroll
@maiden iris same, depending on my mood, but at least i dont kick people just cuz i get my loot 1 min later.
maiden iris
I don't either
stable basin
Yoshi didn't think of it initially because in JP people wouldn't even think of doing something like that
yeah, cuz JP have a nice mentality
just thinking about it could make me tear up and cry a river - because you wont be seeing the other parts of the world doing what JP servers do
Doesn't really help that with an even party size half the party can unilaterally rule over the other half because of how vote kicks work
FFXIV should be a fun game like most FFs, but online games get turned into "rankings and number values, doh" so quickly, its just a shame for a game with an actually nice design.
paper torrent
It only becomes that way if you want to
stable basin
makes one wonder why FFXIV hasnt entered eSports territory yet, doesnt it?
paper torrent
I've legit done green clears the past 3 weeks
stable basin
@paper torrent that maybe be well true, but not everyone will listen to me how i want to make this and that 😛
paper torrent
Not called out on it once
stable basin
nice
scenic patrol
It's not E Sports material
paper torrent
@stable basin so by that same logic, should everyone listen to you?
scenic patrol
MMORPGs are rarely E Sports worthy
scenic patrol
There are people who legit believe that ranged characters should stay at range
stable basin
@paper torrent of course. it's a different story if they are going to play how they want and still nag about you, however
stable basin
ehehee
paper torrent
Aren't you doing the same thing? You'll telling people that they shouldn't care about numbers and shit
maiden iris
Wat
paper torrent
But it seems like you're the one that cares about that
stable basin
i dont tell them, but i would, if i knew it had any lasting effect 😄
maiden iris
How is stacking with the party breaking rules?
paper torrent
Pf isn't that discriminatory
scenic patrol
It's not
paper torrent
The argument was about meters specifically
maiden iris
Those bastards WILL get my WD whether they like it or not
paper torrent
At least from my pov
maiden iris
I don't care if I have to Rescue on cooldown, they're getting their AoE heals
scenic patrol
Narnia is only reserved for PLD cucks
stable basin
@zinc vortex why "sure"?
scenic patrol
paper torrent
If you get kicked it means a majority of people disagree with how you play
zinc vortex
as i've explained before
9 out of 10 times whenever people say they get kicked for no reason
paper torrent
Whether you played properly
zinc vortex
they're hiding something
paper torrent
Or not or whatever
stable basin
how should i know what the others were thinking, just doing votedismiss while we didnt have any negative arguments and whatever.
paper torrent
You were kicked because you didn't mesh well with the group
I've been kicked and i know what i did wrong during those runs
stable basin
@paper torrent that's what I was getting at above
paper torrent
Yeah I've felt like i didn't deserve it but that's the party's overall right
stable basin
define "not mesh well with group" for rdm or dps in general tossing all aoe available
Since the kickee gets no vote and group size is even you DO NOT need a majority
paper torrent
If it's oGCD why wouldn't you use it?
stable basin
Half the group can decide the other half goes without them really having a say
paper torrent
It's free damage
stable basin
why i wouldnt use it?
zinc vortex
dude i love free damage
stable basin
as i said before, because i had also multiple runs people flaming about using it for non.-boss enemies
paper torrent
If it's o5s add phase why wouldn't you use it
stable basin
mh... we need to tag more
zinc vortex
i have never
stable basin
😃
zinc vortex
in the history of this game
paper torrent
SE has already said kicking for gameplay differences as a reason is valid
stable basin
^ but i did lol
2 people want the other 2 out they can vote them out because the target gets no vote
zinc vortex
yes and that's why i'm having a hard time believing you
stable basin
In wow you needed a majority still because group size was 5 so it had to be 3-1 to pass
why should i lie to you tho
just because we barely met?
How is that really fair, since it benefits the aggressor
Plus if its pair vs pair they hold the 4th hostage via DF penalty
Especially if the kicked is dps
@stable basin well... to answer that we need to define "fair" in the online world new
scenic patrol
You are not necessarily lying, just withholding information
sullen sable
scenic patrol
Might not be intentional even
stable basin
i am not withholding anything.
zinc vortex
sullen sable
i need that emoji
zinc vortex
spill the juicy details my dude
sullen sable
yoink
zinc vortex
were there cute catboy sinvolved
paper torrent
zinc vortex
no steal
scenic patrol
sullen sable
too late
stable basin
i had my chat open all the time, after the obligatory greeting, we started the runs and then just random dismiss while the other people didnt say a single world
zinc vortex
fuck 
paper torrent
Yo that emoji is pumping
sullen sable
ya that's p good too
paper torrent
Damn nitro masterrace
scenic patrol
zinc vortex
paper torrent
paper torrent
Nice
spice comet
stable basin
@scenic patrol @zinc vortex well... seeing you already being suspicious about withholding information that never existed means i am not going to find any more advice about solving the problem, giving me the impression you think it's "rightful" of people to ruin the game for someone trying to be positive and good at something. makes me feel sad a bit. a bit offended too, but okay. i am sorry to have been only too honest but that's all i can ever be. have a nice evening.
sour solstice
I jokingly REEE at people that use vermillion scurge
spice comet
Well im suspect about about more what u did like as a dps did u not aoe or as a healer were u not keeping tanks alive, etc not enough info as stated above
scenic patrol
I legit, don't have enough information about your problem to even guess why you were kicked
sour solstice
Its not suspicion to state that someone cant make a correct judgement