endgame-lounge

[dull radish]

And please take and use diversion for 7, especially if you're dying to add spawns >.>

Or don't hit ultros so much right away

Or both haha

[wet stag]

Yeah give your tanks a gcd or two

[dull radish]

Well moreso there's no need to hit ultros asap

Better to hit boss anyways until he flies away

[wet stag]

Same outcome ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull radish]

But not using diversion in that fight, especially in a pug, is whew

[azure hill]

At least eating a tankbuster is an aggro reset

[zinc vortex]

tactical aggro reset

[lucid karma]

die once and still climb to 2nd aggro even with diversion

PUG life

24 man life too

[azure hill]

24 man life: Impatient dps ninja pulls boss, all three tanks in DPS stance

[junior basin]

And three players "accidentally" getting locked out.

[azure hill]

Yep 😐

I actually wiped on Proto Ultima once because of that

A SMN decided to ninjapull

And it somehow killed all the healers

She left the roulette out of presumably shame

[zinc vortex]

probably less out of shame and more out of annoyance/the idea that she'd probably be kicked

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure hill]

Hehe yeah

If you respawn and watch Supernova from the ledge

It actually looks amazing

Something similar happened in Syrcus Tower last night

Tank kept pulling without waiting for people, someone complained and they replied that their Scholar demanded it

[signal galleon]

trying to get lux weapon for glam purposes, is there guide for 4.0 now? and how long does a wpn take?

[wet stag]

Guide still holds up from 3.x

It's just cheaper

But it still takes p long

[lavish cobalt]

Anyone have a BiS drg gearset for me?

[sour solstice]

check the balance

https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3

if you aren't already a part of it

[sullen sable]

Make sure you go to the bot channel and give yourself the drg role

The default channels are pretty memey

[pure yoke]

And cringe

Depending on who is on

[paper torrent]

what do you mean

Bard discussion is nothing but the finest content

[zinc vortex]

.

old mch_discussion

[paper torrent]

./s

[zinc vortex]

before zoof killed himself

[pure yoke]

One day someone is going to actually off themselves

[stable basin]

bard was killed, cut in pieces and stiched back together with other pieces

looks at performing

[zinc vortex]

i wouldn't be surprised if someone eventually did yeah

[stable basin]

"sorry yoshi p i spilled sake on the bard performing data, hopefully nothing is wrong"

and they never found his body

[stable basin]

Hmmm am I just thinking it or do learning parties for specifically the second turn of a raid tier fill unusually slow?

(Except maybe a6s when that was current)

[dull radish]

I dunno like

half the time it ends up being easier than the first fight

so people just kinda jump in and clear it

[paper torrent]

Most people have cleared o6s

So you have a small pool of learners as well

Like Rika said most people clear pretty fast because the first two tiers are easy

So most people are always trying to prog 3rd fight

[signal galleon]

does anyone have the fastest anima solo guide to date? (4.2), trying on getting some wpn glams on content downtime

[wet stag]

Old guides still hold up fine

Except you can run brayflox hm for fastest if you're soloing

For the light step

[steady pebble]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bsHZM-0sSdaajAwILUPbUSOsMzDiCP7o4DGb3-gQTog/edit

[signal galleon]

thanks!

[last geode]

what's the best way to get materia?

[paper torrent]

really vague question

do you mean combat 6s, 5s?

[steady pebble]

what kind/tier?

[paper torrent]

gatherer 6s and 5s?

[last geode]

highest tier is tier 6 or 5?

sorry for combat

[sour solstice]

Combat 6

[steady pebble]

highest is 6

[paper torrent]

6

[last geode]

combat materia

[paper torrent]

Easiest way but time locked is A/S rank hunts

[last geode]

how do I get tier 6 or at least tier 5

[steady pebble]

Either hunts or spamming leveling roulette as adventurer in need

[paper torrent]

which is usually tank

[last geode]

also is there a guide for BiS materia for each class?

[paper torrent]

rabanstre also gives one per week, but i wouldn't do raba just for that reason

[last geode]

I need it because I dont know anything about what is best to equip

[sour solstice]

Its on the balance

[paper torrent]

you can also get some materia 6 / 5 from eureka

also clusters from eurkea as well

[steady pebble]

Eureka lockboxes give 5/6 materia, and you can also run the original 3 lvl 70 dungeons for them

[paper torrent]

it's... not the greatest source

[last geode]

@sour solstice is that the discord chat?

[sour solstice]

Im on mobile someone link him to those clowns

[paper torrent]

but it's good for gearing up intially or alts if you don't wanna wait for weekly lockouts for new gear

[sour solstice]

Yeah

[paper torrent]

https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3

go to rankings

registration*

and add the class you're thinking of

usually in the class questions section there will be a pin talking about meld prioerty and BIS

[sour solstice]

Dont read chat tho

Unless you like shitpostimg

[wet stag]

Dude I love balance chat

[last geode]

Don't read chat tho

lol

[paper torrent]

balance chat is fucking hilarious

especially bard discussion

[wet stag]

It's full of autists

Me included

[hybrid rapids]

ask in question

leave other channel alone

[last geode]

thanks all

also good memes

ty

[sour solstice]

Jesus fuck

I looked at bard chat

And was like "oh thats not bad"

Then i started scrolling

What the shit

[torn kindle]

looking at the pins is quite an experience.

[paper torrent]

brd discussion pins

it's not even discussion, it's just shitposting and memes

[torn kindle]

SAM Discussion just has a bunch of Sudoku

F

[lucid karma]

BRD channel is fucking cursed

[sour solstice]

"I want groping shot"

[pure yoke]

what

[last geode]

lol

[wet stag]

#brd_discussion

[torn kindle]

"On second thought, let us not go to #brd_discussion, tis a silly place."

[hybrid rapids]

we are talking anime right now in tank general

anyway, most of the time they are helpful tho in question channel at least

[scenic patrol]

Discussions channels are either memes or actual high end discussion

There's no in between

Or sometimes both

[heavy mist]

depends on whos talking

[scenic patrol]

When a bunch of us started math out how much mana you need to regain as DRK to make turning off Dark Side worth it

[heavy mist]

DRG channel it depends, but usually theres questions about parse and rotation

🤔 so im okay with it

[scenic patrol]

Answer is 4200 for 3 GCDs

Excluding mana from SS

[torn kindle]

so bring two casters along for the quick MP?

[heavy mist]

imagine if DRK could take MP from like refresh or mana shift

LUL

[wet stag]

I mean if you turn Darkside off you can

[heavy mist]

imagine turning off darkside in a fight

[lucid karma]

turning darkside off

[wet stag]

Byakko ex

[scenic patrol]

2 mana shifts and refresh makes it worth it to turn off DS

[lucid karma]

oh that one makes sense tho

[scenic patrol]

For 3 GCDs

[lucid karma]

but turning darkside off during fight is

[sour solstice]

You'd figure there would be better manashifts tho

[scenic patrol]

Pad

[heavy mist]

u figure

but 🤷

[lucid karma]

manashift DRK LUL

[heavy mist]

the true is to manashift PLD

😄

[torn kindle]

Not Manashifting the WAR to assert dominance

[steep iris]

2nd forsaken is such a shitshow

T_T

[paper torrent]

Not manashifting the ninja

smh these casual starts

[scenic patrol]

True, second Forsaken is literal hell

I got two more Kefka clears this week

Due to derping and such

[pure yoke]

I hate mad heads

more than anything else

[scenic patrol]

At this rate I'll clear Faustka the most out if this tier

Mad heads with diagonal strat ain't so bad

If the boss is positioned correctly

[steep iris]

at least with these many kefaust clears I can parse better

[scenic patrol]

My first clear is still my best

[steep iris]

got an 84% historical today 👌

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

i can parse better

[scenic patrol]

!whologs @scenic patrol

[storm frost]

Johni Bravo of Odin

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (2251/11258) [3944.27 DPS] [80.4 Historical] [7:56]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Warrior: (3074/10600) [4340.47 DPS] [76.3 Historical] [9:04]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Warrior: (1145/7634) [4308.63 DPS] [87.8 Historical] [11:27]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Warrior: (1310/5698) [4075.1 DPS] [78.1 Historical] [6:41]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[paper torrent]

hahahahaha

TFW you get double grey on o5s after the week you clear

[steep iris]

!whologs @steep iris

[storm frost]

Frey Luna of Ultros

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

White Mage: (1019/12748) [2765.44 DPS] [92.9 Historical] [7:39]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

White Mage: (1086/12077) [2629.64 DPS] [91.8 Historical] [8:41]
Paladin: (9646/12058) [3185.36 DPS] [20.2 Historical] [9:41]

**Guardian (Savage)**

White Mage: (2373/8476) [2260.21 DPS] [72.9 Historical] [11:26]

**Kefka (Savage)**

Astrologian: (955/2654) [1877.71 DPS] [64.7 Historical] [6:57]
White Mage: (1026/6414) [2641.67 DPS] [84.3 Historical] [6:46]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[scenic patrol]

@paper torrent

[median zephyr]

!whologs @median zephyr

[storm frost]

Error!

FFLogs API Error: Invalid character name/server/region specified.

[steep iris]

kek

[median zephyr]

; n ;

[paper torrent]

Eh? are your parses not public?

[median zephyr]

How would I know?

[scenic patrol]

!charlogs midgardsormr big Bertha

[storm frost]

Error!

FFLogs API Error: Invalid character name/server/region specified.

[scenic patrol]

Hmmmmm

[paper torrent]

that's... weird

[scenic patrol]

!whois @median zephyr

[storm frost]

Big Bertha, Minion Master

Lalafell, Dunesfolk
Level 68 Dark Knight [Item Level 278]
<Rabbits in the Moon> on Midgardsormr

[paper torrent]

lemme check fflogs directly

[scenic patrol]

Did you clear savage this tier?

[median zephyr]

Oooooooh, is that what that's for?

[paper torrent]

Weird, no one comes up

[scenic patrol]

Yeah

[paper torrent]

you're not on fflogs lol

[scenic patrol]

Only savage clears

[median zephyr]

Yeah, never done a Savage.

[scenic patrol]

For this tier

[paper torrent]

it's only savage clears for this tier

[scenic patrol]

This command is useless to you

[median zephyr]

My bad. Lol.

[paper torrent]

i parse in o8n

so i can feel bettter about m yself

[scenic patrol]

I uploaded an O8N parse once

[paper torrent]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[scenic patrol]

When I played Monk

[paper torrent]

I'M PURPLE IN NORMALS, SUCKERRSSS

[scenic patrol]

Yet you're gray elsewhere

[paper torrent]

OOF

hey

i have like

two grey parses

in o5s

and only on pld

'cause wacih dared me to play on 5-10 fps

[sterile geyser]

almost nobody uploads normal parses lol

its easy to rank high even if youre bad like me

[paper torrent]

i know

i just like jerking my dick to em

'cause i'm at least orange somewhere

[sterile geyser]

that sweet sweet orange

[paper torrent]

[sterile geyser]

in reality.... havent even cleared o8s yet

[scenic patrol]

I have Faustka on farm

Progging Godka

Faustka is quite easy to prog

[pure yoke]

[scenic patrol]

Compared to O7S

[paper torrent]

that average though

pretty good 👌

[sterile geyser]

my experience in o8s is literally jumping into a blind starter pug group and dicking around to 3rd graven

doesnt seem too bad

but OT job is always easy T_T

[scenic patrol]

Eh, if you didn't swap after first Graven something is wrong

[sterile geyser]

hope they eventually adjust pld to function as MT better

[scenic patrol]

There's 3 swaps

[sterile geyser]

at least equal to the others

[scenic patrol]

PLD is good MT though

Just shit at pulling

[sterile geyser]

only if you have no other choice

well yeah i guess

if you didnt have to pull theyre fine

[scenic patrol]

No, PLD is fantastic at holding the boss

[sterile geyser]

but no reason not to have the puller be the mt tho

[scenic patrol]

It was the same in HW though

[sterile geyser]

pld is good at supporting MT through intervention

[scenic patrol]

Warrior pulled, DRK main tanked

Nothing much changed

[sterile geyser]

i didnt play in HW unfortunately

[scenic patrol]

I didn't raid, but I started playing late HW

[sterile geyser]

i played 2.0 to 2.2 as a DRG main, had to quit, then came back to the game at 4.0 and started anew as pld main

[scenic patrol]

Anyways, there's 4 busters on Faust

[sterile geyser]

so i missed all of hw lol

[scenic patrol]

The preferred way is to immune each

[sterile geyser]

hm

[scenic patrol]

Except last

[sterile geyser]

the war we had must have just been beefy then

we didnt swap

[scenic patrol]

Lol, he is squish as fuck if he doesn't use CDs for auto attacks

[sterile geyser]

-shrug-

[scenic patrol]

It's fucking retarded not to swap

[sterile geyser]

it wasnt a good party by any means, just pugs

lol

[scenic patrol]

Each AA is 18K

You fucking want to mitigate that shit

They can hit for 24K with crits

[sterile geyser]

i wasnt rly paying attention to where he used his cooldowns, i was just making sure to give a buffed intervention on each buster

[scenic patrol]

He is supposed to take them with Holmgang

So that was a waste

[sterile geyser]

if he used it then yeah its a waste

but no real loss to me at the time

[scenic patrol]

Anyways most groups have Holmgang > Hallowed > Holmgang > PLD with CDs

For busters

It's so fucking efficient

[sterile geyser]

sounds comfy

[scenic patrol]

Anyways I am off to play some Ass Origins

[lavish cobalt]

Where could i find a group to farm like Byakko ex? haven't had much luck with pugparties

[steep iris]

only pf

or friends

[sterile geyser]

just look for pf groups trying to mount farm for him, itll typically (definitely not always) be people familiar with the fight

or, start one

people always mount-thirsty, they will come

[last geode]

@lavish cobalt i can do it with ya but im new to it 😄

[zinc vortex]

How do I deal with 2nd forsaken as a BLM efficiently?
Right now I triple/swift puddles and Manip to a tank but this sometimes gets me killed due to me Manipping over a puddle.

[topaz wolf]

you... git gud

just kidding

[woeful prawn]

arent you placing puddles on the arena edge?

[topaz wolf]

delay triple for it

use it after the first aoe drops

[woeful prawn]

you should be able to stutter step forward and then zip to tank for the stack and 1000% dodging any puddles

[topaz wolf]

then you just slidecast into the aoe circle

and then use AM to the ppl running to stack

mouseover macro btw

[zinc vortex]

Hm.

'Ight

Thanks. Ill try.

[topaz wolf]

and save swiftcast

for positioning after for celestriad

[woeful prawn]

you have nothing to blame but your own retardation for getting clipped by puddles on zip

[topaz wolf]

or

others are being retarded

with their placement

[woeful prawn]

he's a black mage

[topaz wolf]

ive cleared the fight i know how stupid it is

for others to place puddles in your way

the melee are notorious for fucking up puddle placement for me

[woeful prawn]

oh are you getting hit by puddle or melee aoe ?

[topaz wolf]

puddle AMing to the stack marker, or was

until i told them about it and they fixed it

[dull radish]

oh umm

AM to a melee that uses gap closer

after soaking north tower

[topaz wolf]

^

[dull radish]

don't AM to tank

[topaz wolf]

i use the mouseover macro for that

best macro

[dull radish]

it'll sometimes snapshot you in tank tower

which overstacking is bad with all that other damage going out at the same time

you can take your time with it, it's not a big rush to get down to stack, it just feels like it is

[topaz wolf]

mmm, you can get a fireiv off before u am haha

[zinc vortex]

Yeah I have both swift anf TC

Alright ill try.

I can get it reasonably consistently, was just wondering if there was a better way because I run into fringe cases of clipping puddles

[topaz wolf]

Mm, its a matter of communicating with your melee.

So they dont get in your way

A gif would be nice tho

or video

[dull radish]

well like

by the time north tower explodes, melee AoEs have gone off. Starstrafe AoEs shouldn't be in the path for AM. So it's only an issue if melee goes on the other side of tank tower and you AM through it, and it registers you in it

if you really want to, there's also the option to try to slidecast starstrafe and triple for moving down south after I guess. That's a lot of time to hold triple though, but probably won't cause too much an impact

though slidecasting starstrafe is pretty annoying

[topaz wolf]

very 😄

its a thing that takes a while to master

and its not recommended for prog

[dull radish]

tbh I like when triple comes up better when you save it for starstrafe, anyways

just, maybe not to the end like I mentioned above, just for the AoEs themselves

[unreal flax]

I'm honestly looking forward to HoH.

[grizzled seal]

Hoh?

[steady pebble]

heaven on high

[grizzled seal]

Oh

[paper torrent]

Aka

Heaven I'll do when I'm high

[stable basin]

LOL

And meanwhile my friends and I are thinking about "okay who wants to do POTD 200" xD

#nadinejustisn'ttrendy xD

[stable basin]

Guys , how i should meld lvl 355 pld weapon (anemos one) i put all direct hit rate + 40?

[dull radish]

that's fine

[azure hill]

For pld it's pretty much all dh and strength

[scenic patrol]

Not really

Technically Crit>DH is better, but that's at BiS gear

[dull radish]

and assuming a crit comp

[scenic patrol]

Aye

[pure yoke]

Hi

[dull radish]

heya

[pure yoke]

whatcha up to?

[dull radish]

not much, as per usual haha. Got coffer on my alt tonight, which was nice, but didn't get much else done

[pastel portal]

nais

[stable basin]

Yeah mastering your rotation and mechs will always pay off more in the long run than fretting over the details

Gear can only give you so much

[true lark]

gear is vertical

skill stays forever

[sour solstice]

wellllllllllllllllllll

Gear is technically stickier than skill

[pure yoke]

but gear doesn't last forever

it moves

[sour solstice]

if you take a 2 month break your gear is probably fine

but your skill on the other hand

[pure yoke]

rust can be shaven off

[sour solstice]

Fair enough

Personally it takes me longer to shake off the rust especially if theres been very slight changes

compared to learning the skill in the first place

But my neurology is fucked so

[steep iris]

ugh

I got to third forsaken a few hours ago

and now I keep messing up second

feelsbadman

[normal mesa]

me af

i've seen third

do fine when i see third

somehow still balls up second

[worldly herald]

if youve been to third, youre in the homestretch

since fourth is just third again

[vital cypress]

9th percentile O7S clear

(it was on my alt, i351 makes it hard to get sicknasty parses)

[boreal edge]

@vital cypress im i352 as brd alt and still get close to blue

despite playing on 270ms

[tawdry matrix]

Because you're bad

Huehue

[zinc vortex]

weewoo bully alert

[boreal edge]

@tawdry matrix imposters shall stay impostering

[tawdry matrix]

Said imposter

[fading shoal]

is it possible nowadays to kill a12s unsynced before summon alexander?

[severe notch]

I want to get into crafting anyone have a good guide to leveling and the endgame crafting

[prime pivot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L1aDMxZOjhdmzsilToDvsrwqfcUOs6NKxhsCBa1IwVQ/edit

hehe

welcome to hell

[lusty oak]

@fading shoal nah, he has to go away close to 70%

[woeful prawn]

dont hoard materials
buy mats/turnins from vendor/mb
dont expect to earn money
dont burn out

[lusty oak]

even if u lock him in animation

[fading shoal]

.-.

you know what summon alexander is right?

cuz it's not the phase change

[lusty oak]

oh

void puddles?

[prime pivot]

Yeah

[lusty oak]

yes, alex dies at crystals

[fading shoal]

it's when he summons the big alexander while still on the arena

mkay

[lusty oak]

sorry, messed up abilities

[severe notch]

Ty but that doc has leveling guide too?

[severe notch]

Ty just wasn't loading on phone

[prime pivot]

ah yeah, don't open it on your phone

it's got about 300 pages

Like I said, welcome to hell

[unreal lance]

Crafting does not require a 300 page guide lmao

[severe notch]

It does if you have my brain

[unreal lance]

Well then

[prime pivot]

tbh it's still useful to read certain areas like how ingenuity works

and understanding on how the skills interact rather than just someone giving you a macro and saying "hit this"

[unreal lance]

True

[prime pivot]

The point of the guide is to get people to understand crafting so when 5.X comes around people don't flail like headless chickens when new skills are added and are able to make a good attempt at their own rotation first.

[unreal lance]

People will still flail around like headless chickens

Even if crafting is as easy as ever though

[prime pivot]

but this also means that if someone asks a question you can tell them to read the guide

and not have to repeat your lengthy answer

[lucid karma]

The thing is people are so afraid to actually level crafter for various reasons

[prime pivot]

it's more that it's a huge time sink that isn't as engaging as doing content

[lucid karma]

At least that's the perception

[prime pivot]

Which is more interesting, a new primal battle, or a new thing to craft which involves you going to the same nodes, doing the same gathering rotation, then crafting using a a slightly different crafting rotation

[unreal lance]

Neither

[prime pivot]

Correct answer

It's going and installing a different game and realising that you hate your life

[lucid karma]

Oh boy this is getting real fast

[prime pivot]

then swiftly forgetting as you watch anime

and pretending that your parents will accept your life choices

[unreal lance]

New primals are pretty bad if you ask me

[lucid karma]

Jokes on you I don't watch Anime

[sour solstice]

I thought I recognized you Dev_nights

[unreal lance]

And crafting is just boring in its current state

Each to their own I guess

[prime pivot]

Pretty much, only O7S and O8S have me mildly interested atm

[lucid karma]

Omega raid is big let down

[prime pivot]

O7S is a joke though. Had a 16 death run and still killed it well before enrage

[unreal lance]

Ayy you described my problem with the game in 11 words

[prime pivot]

Eureka is crap

regardless of what anyone else says

[unreal lance]

Non-content

[prime pivot]

Welcome to a mindless zerg fest

[sour solstice]

I still can't believe people defend that shit

[prime pivot]

"B-but you end up partying with strangers"

[sour solstice]

IT alLoWs Me TO wATcH AnIMe

[prime pivot]

"it-it's almost open world content"

[unreal lance]

As someone who can't raid atm due to time I have a hard time understanding what people do outside of raids

[prime pivot]

P-pantsu is almost a proper raid boss

[lucid karma]

Almost

What I do outside of raid?

I don't play FFXIV, that is

[sour solstice]

Slay the Spire

[prime pivot]

I can show you what I do outside of raid

[boreal edge]

@fading shoal ppl been kill it be4 summon alex back in i270 days

[unreal lance]

Yeah but all the non raiders who play the game I don't even

[lucid karma]

And you don't pay their sub

[prime pivot]

is what I do

[sour solstice]

RP/ERP

[boreal edge]

should be dead by timegate nowadays

[unreal lance]

Erp>rp tbf

[sour solstice]

leveling crafters

since theres a lot of us who are kinda new

but for you all 70 folks I have no fucking idea

[prime pivot]

I don't understand why a game from 2005 entertains me more than FFXIV

[sour solstice]

Time spent.

[prime pivot]

I mean I don't have all my jobs to 70

[unreal lance]

I have maybe 6 jobs left to 70

[prime pivot]

but I don't want to level them as I've already done leveling roulette to hell

and beast tribe quests

[lucid karma]

As long as you enjoy it why do you even try to question why

It's not going to validate your feeling

[prime pivot]

If I had more of the late level 60 dungeons in my leveling roulette, I'd be more entertained

but as it stands going through Aurum vale on my lvl 69 job just sucks

[unreal lance]

/shrug

Just do the last dungeon at 69

[lucid karma]

[unreal lance]

It's what 2-3 runs at most

[lucid karma]

Sounds like you seek validation rather than legit complaint

[unreal lance]

Me?

[lucid karma]

Okay man you do that you do

Nah

[prime pivot]

You want a legit complaint, Thousand Maws

I don't think I need to go on

[sour solstice]

uuuuuuuuuuuugh

[lucid karma]

Now that's what I agree

[sour solstice]

Thousand maws

[wet stag]

as much as i meme about it i dont actually have an issue with thousand maws

[lucid karma]

Time wise it's the same as any dungeon

[wet stag]

getting sprouts in there is

[sour solstice]

yeah

[lucid karma]

But fucking artificial slog tho

[sour solstice]

but its the lead segments

[wet stag]

then you teach them how to play and everyone's

[sour solstice]

and the fact that theres 2 of the same god damn boss

[prime pivot]

Or when you try to tell someone to AoE and they proceed to single target

[sour solstice]

TBH most jobs just don't have AoE at that point

[prime pivot]

true

but even later on

[sour solstice]

I think none of the Melees do

[prime pivot]

the number of people I see single targetting

[wet stag]

honestly thats something ive just accepted

[prime pivot]

that's a sad state of affairs

[wet stag]

i dont blame people for not aoeing in arr dungeons

but hw dungeons and above

well, 50 and above, really

[prime pivot]

I get sad in Ex roulette, when I have a single target ninja getting single target balances from an astro who's not dpsing

[sour solstice]

If you ST in keeper I will murder your ass

[lucid karma]

Ex roulette is a shit show

Nothing expert about it

[wet stag]

really? i dont have an issue in ex roul

[lucid karma]

Well we're in JP

[wet stag]

ur just unlucky lol

[lucid karma]

They aren't

Everything is nicer in JP and at the same time better overall dps

Regardless of what people in gilgamesh say

[prime pivot]

from a few days ago

the drg was getting cards from the ast

we wiped because the ast didn't heal the tank on a big pull

[severe notch]

Ouch

[lusty oak]

what is current BLM BiS?

[dull radish]

it depends a bit on what speed you want, but mm

lemme grab a link

[lusty oak]

around 1900 iirc

[dull radish]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AnNiZ_tYXq3IkSe3BJXcT1Th98cnzFAa64h2YH1Rmzc/edit is a good doc to compare gearsets

if you want around 1900ss, go for the 1930ss set

[lusty oak]

thx o/

its mostly for dng runs

[vital cypress]

is bahamut rushing still the hot cool strategy

[lyric summit]

meaning?

[vital cypress]

rushing your first summon bahamut

and cutting first DWT off early

[lyric summit]

yes

cutting off first dwt

you summon bahamut with third(?) aetherflow

[vital cypress]

(though half the time our tank pulls early and makes it a moot point )

[scenic patrol]

You ask him to pull later

When we prog I chain pull

But otherwise I wait for the Summoner to be ready

[vital cypress]

proggin'

because bad

[scenic patrol]

Chain pulling is more efficient in that regard

[vital cypress]

my parseeeeeeeeeeeeee

shit i'm lucky to sniff blue on a good day

[scenic patrol]

Why does your parse matter in prog?

Unless you are going for a clear it doesn't really matter

[pure yoke]

enrage due to dps shouldn't really be an issue atm

unless your group hasn't been getting any gear

[steep iris]

god I'm such a crappy ast

[sour solstice]

What did you accidentally AoE spire

[steep iris]

:(

nah

[paper torrent]

JESUS

that ast parse

neverlucky

also

clear for 1 parties

are the true traps

[fading slate]

So how do you keep yourself number 2 on threat for Byakko, just provoke every so often? and voke+shirk when it's up?

[unreal flax]

You can either circle shirk or aggro combo or just voke during the cast

[scenic patrol]

Voke during cast

[fading slate]

Huh, I did and he still grabbed some random DPS and suplexed him.

[wet stag]

Not the animation

The castbar

[fading slate]

Yeah, I know.

Oh well, next time I'll just put more combos in. Maybe DPS weren't using their aggro CDs well

[wet stag]

Yeah my guess is that one of the dps overtook your threat in the last second

In that case wtf was your co doing

[fading slate]

He'd just been suplexed I assume

I'm going to assume I jsut wasn't aggressive enough about being second on threat

[wet stag]

wait

no no no

you provoke during the 1st cast bar

just before he suplexes the main tank

[fading slate]

Ahhh, I hit it during the second. Gotcha.

Filed away for the future.

[wet stag]

because he sets his target before the castbar starts

[fading slate]

Makes sense.

I did pretty good aside from one dumb death due to misjudging where that lightening attack hits.

It didn't kill me, but the para debuff did. xD

[paper torrent]

i like to do a full BB combo

keeps me safe

[fading slate]

Well I'll keep at it, it feels less hectic than susano did

[fading slate]

... what strat is this for Byakko EX

"Ignore stack mechanic for OT"

... So their plan is to just let me die and res me?

[wet stag]

you can technically survive it

if you pop every single cooldown

[fading slate]

This on top of single-heals.

This sounds like a lot.

[wet stag]

its just that you might not have cooldowns for the add

[fading slate]

I'mmmm gonna skip this group. Yes.

[paper torrent]

you can also HG

i haven't tried Holmg but maybe

!action holmgang

[storm frost]

**Holmgang** : lvl 42 Marauder (180 second cooldown)

Draws target towards caster, and binds both.
Duration: 6s
Most attacks cannot reduce your HP to less than 1.

[paper torrent]

!action hallowed ground

[storm frost]

**Hallowed Ground** : lvl 50 Paladin (420 second cooldown)

Renders you impervious to most attacks.
Duration: 10s

[scenic patrol]

Holmgang on the Grab?

God no

[paper torrent]

i know for a fact

[scenic patrol]

Grab is 8 seconds

[paper torrent]

that Hallowed works

[scenic patrol]

I know for a fact that the grab is 8 seconds until touchdown

I have timed Shadow Wall for that countless times

[heavy mist]

💦 o8s down finally

[torn kindle]

\o/

[scenic patrol]

Fucking grats

[stable basin]

... owo

"solo heals ignore second stack" is a thing on byakko now?

[lucid karma]

make use for PLD/DRK cooldown probably

[boreal edge]

@fading slate just swap during state of shock man its simple

@heavy mist you suck

gz bitch

[fading shoal]

does raid food health make any significant difference or naw?

[boreal edge]

its most noticable difference is vit

sub stats barely make do 50 more dps

[fading shoal]

so it actually is used for it's vit mainly? 🤔

[boreal edge]

its still free 40-50 dps

but vit is main factor

extra hp is always better

[fading shoal]

hm

and on my rdm it's 2k hp

and the mnk in my static keeps arguing that that amount is insignificant and you should never use food outside of clear/log runs

[boreal edge]

lol

food should be always used

pots only used in log runs

some fights requires HP threshold

like O7S and O8S

and if u wanna meet that while avoiding vit melding u pop food

( doesnt apply on 1st 3 weeks prog )

on new raid tier

[fading shoal]

has it been determined yet for o8s?

the threshold that is

[boreal edge]

@fading shoal 47k for physical dps and 43k for casters

[fading shoal]

whoa lol even with cider i'm still only 41k on my caster

also any source on this info? 🤔

[boreal edge]

my source

cause i do o8s

[fading shoal]

you did the maff?

[boreal edge]

1 healer shield lower LoJ dmg to 46500

light of judgement

minimum hp should be 500 higher than hardest aoe hit with just healer shields

you can go lower than that tbh

and still kill

but u need extra mitigations

for those hits

[dull radish]

I'd rather suggest 42k for casters in general

But yeah you can get by with less

But, no reason to not go full vit and eat at least cheap food from last tier for prog

Those plus VIT party bonus, usually give plenty

47k also seems too high haha

[boreal edge]

im 47k without any vit meld

[dull radish]

Like you don't plan off of missing mitigation, even during prog

Yeah

You also probably have i370

[boreal edge]

i365

[dull radish]

And use good food

47k just sounds like too much for a general suggestion

I don't think we had 47k available for a long while and it still felt comfy

[fading shoal]

i'm also 368 ilvl and still haven't reached 42k health as rdm 😄

with cider

could be cuz chest piece is still anemos

also does LoJ really hit harder than forsaken then? 🤔

i know LoJ is the hardest hitting AoE on Kefaust but on god?

[dull radish]

Yeah LoJ is the rough one

42k sounds about right, is that with food or party bonus, and how many vit melds?

Well you said with food, but yeah haha

[fading shoal]

so for prog the biggest mitigation should go on LoJ instead of forsaken then?

or is it on forsaken due to the circumstances of needing to quikcly heal up after the forsaken cast for heartless

[dull radish]

you still want a decent bit of mitigation for both, especially for that first forsaken -> heartless yeah

but LoJ always feels a bit spookier than forsakens

always good to ask your healers though

figure out what they're doing, what they might want

[fading shoal]

yea but it's like the difference betwee reprisaling one or addle'ing the other

[dull radish]

you should be able to reprisal all the things

you have two tanks

[fading shoal]

yea

[blazing pelican]

LoJ hits harder than Forsaken, but I couldn't give you exact numbers

[fading shoal]

but one would have both addle and reprisal

while hte other would only have reprisal

[dull radish]

it's a bit tough for me because I just cut back on addle usage since you can get a lot of LB gen from critical shielding haha

but what I do tend to addle a bit more, is LoJ, over forsakens

[blazing pelican]

Mmm lb crit shielding

[dull radish]

I think the main points I addle are like

[woeful prawn]

3rd forsaken light of justice is spookiest for me

[dull radish]

double wing -> ultima mid forsaken 1, LoJ after forsaken 2, and LoJ at end of forsaken 3

and ultima spam if we get it somehow

at the end

[blazing pelican]

@woeful prawn why does that bring up a map link for me

[dull radish]

mobile discord is dumb

[blazing pelican]

Yes it is

[dull radish]

sees things as addresses sometimes

especially if random numbers are involved

[blazing pelican]

Ultima spam? Tf?

Haven't seen that since initial clear

[woeful prawn]

hahaaaaaa

[dull radish]

if memes happen

[woeful prawn]

haa

[dull radish]

they're still there waiting

[blazing pelican]

Have you seen my party comp, it's nothing but memes

[dull radish]

it's more execution memes

[dull radish]

it's not something I've seen for a while, and rarely saw, but still

if I had to addle, I would use it there

[blazing pelican]

Double caster

[fading shoal]

🤔

[woeful prawn]

rip

no smn contagion

[fading shoal]

if one of them was a summoner which could properly use garuda then maybe

[woeful prawn]

i love garuda comps

[fading shoal]

would also increase the dmg for the ninja sometimes as well

[blazing pelican]

Thing is

Both the RDM and BLM are 95+ percentile

So job changing for them would be a pain

[woeful prawn]

ofc

[fading shoal]

wait

are they all lalas?

[blazing pelican]

3 of them are

[fading shoal]

then why are they all portrayed as potatoes?

[blazing pelican]

Because Ino did the commission

[fading shoal]

ah

[unique wigeon]

Any crafter here

[steady pebble]

um, i craft a bit so i might be able to help

[unique wigeon]

I just got a question about end game gearing

Like I'm at yellow scrip gears and Ilvl 290 tools but I still can't start crafting the 2 star recipes yet

[steady pebble]

are you at base yellow scrip, or augmented

[unique wigeon]

Uhhh base think that might be the problem

Should I wait till I have a full augmented set?

Or overmeld a 290 set first

[steady pebble]

when you say you have 290ilvl is that both main hand and off hand or just off hand?

[unique wigeon]

Both

[steady pebble]

because you should get your yellow scrip main hands

[unique wigeon]

😮

Oh

[steady pebble]

crafters and gatherers are no different from combat classes

in that your weapon/main hand is your most important gear

[unique wigeon]

Hmm

[steady pebble]

you may also want to hold off on augmenting your gear tho

see what 4.3 brings gearwise

[unique wigeon]

Bur isn't the crafted set better than scrips later on?

[steady pebble]

yeah the 320 gear is better but that's due to overmelding

[unique wigeon]

Soo if I'm aiming to craft my own 320 gears, which class should I gear up first?

Like weaver or blacksmith

[sour solstice]

What class do you want to gear?

[steady pebble]

weaver is going to do the bulk of the gear

[sour solstice]

oh

crafter

im retarded

Not as stupid as people who don't eat tho

[steady pebble]

but you'll need leatherworking/alchemist for several of the components

I ate 🐍 hiss

[unique wigeon]

Alchemist components always seems to be the most expensive 😦

[steady pebble]

well like i said, i would gather the mats for 320 if you can

but maybe hold off on actually making anything

until 4.3

because its possible a whole new set comes out

or it might just be 320 accessories

[unique wigeon]

Thought I read it somewhere that says the current pentameld will still be meta

[steady pebble]

imo, its likely that's the case

but until we know for certain, i would personally go the safe route and just gather the mats for now

[unique wigeon]

Right

[steady pebble]

wait for 4.3 to drop, make sure that we aren't getting a new set

its possible they might also release gear to help make it easier to make ala mhigan with 4.3

[unique wigeon]

Hmm

Would ala mhigan set be the equivalent of carbonweave or ironworks?

[steady pebble]

ironworks

[unique wigeon]

And that's the end game gear for 3.x right

[steady pebble]

yeah

[compact sun]

well at least you have a ninja we're going double caster no smn no nin... it works great.

[unreal lance]

Anything works just be good :v

[stable basin]

Hmmm am I getting the impression that the secret to good and not salty Zurvan farm is in fact the 330 ilvl requirement my last group used?

Sadly you will still find people who can't do mechanics.

I've had this trouble a lot this week end. I have given up for now.

[unreal lance]

I've never cleared Zurvan in pf

[pastel portal]

Zurvan pf was proper shite after like week 2 mate

Well u can say that for most content but zurvan was like “hey I can’t skip soar, but that’s only cuz I don’t mind doing mechanics. Not because I’m shit and dunno how to do a proper opener”

[stable basin]

Sad part is we can skip Soar with even the crappiest of level 70s. Yet give them tethers and "move left for ice puddles" and all hell breaks loose.

[wet stag]

Is skipping soar still a meme

[stable basin]

Here and there.

[wet stag]

[sonic mesa]

Quick question, are you limited to 1 sigma datalog per floor per week?

[lyric summit]

yes

[stable basin]

At this point it seems more you have to clear in 5min or you get meteors and it all gets all full on EX again

We don't get Soar at all, sometimes with i330+/6dps we don't even get second biting halberd or post ultimate southern cross xD

[somber pond]

how are there people who get all the way to TotF without understanding the stack mech

[wet stag]

Totf?

[steady pebble]

temple of the fist i think

[dull radish]

yeah it took me a while to figure that one out haha

[steady pebble]

kids these days, and their need to make weird acronyms

shakes cane

[sour solstice]

BIMD, AWC. NIJC.

[wet stag]

I don't recognize any of those

[sour solstice]

Back in my day, acronyms were cool. Now its just confusing.

[steady pebble]

omfg

[sour solstice]

I was trolling you mate.

[steady pebble]

why, yalia, why

[sour solstice]

Because I ate my daily dose of trolly-os

[sour solstice]

23 minutes into a normal Byakko ue

end me

[wet stag]

LMFAO

How

Is that one pull

[sour solstice]

not the actual fight

the god damn wait time

[wet stag]

Oh

Oh queue

[sour solstice]

My q key is borked

I had to copy paste that one

FUCK I WAS ALT TABBED AND MISSED IT

GOD DAMN IT

[wet stag]

not turning on system sounds when window isn't focused

[sour solstice]

I disabled it for praetorium

[sour solstice]

Alright

Now that I actually cleared it

15 fucking minute

Byakko norm fight

How

Is this a regular occurence?

[paper torrent]

No dps checks

[hybrid rapids]

#rants 👀

[stable basin]

But don't you still have to do the kitty dps check the one time on normal too?

I guess if you have Savage healers and derpy dps though...

[sharp spruce]

can someone help me not be a shitter https://www.fflogs.com/reports/VCZ9nmaBMXQNJAq4#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=5

[paper torrent]

probably better to ask in the balance

[sharp spruce]

I see

at the very least

when should I dex pot

before or after dot application in my opener

[paper torrent]

um, first thing i notice is that you use too many bites

you should only need the 1 iirc, there's no huge downtime in o7s

oh wait this is ads

i'm retarded

nvm

[sharp spruce]

I miss roughly 10 dot applications?

[torn kindle]

Something I see is that Raging should always be buffing Barrage

[sharp spruce]

majority of them is when guardian fucks off though which I need to time my jaws more properly

[torn kindle]

you got two spots where you only use one but not the other

and a spot where you use barrage before raging

[sharp spruce]

I see. I do this weird thing where if air force spawn comes out I try to split the two but that's probably bad

that's the only time I split barrage/raging though

I believe

[paper torrent]

i think you missed

like 2 reflugents

oh no 1

there was 34 procs of SS but only 33 reflugents

up time on straight shot buff itself was a little low, 88%

[sharp spruce]

I wanna say I just mistimed that one too cuz lol guardian just flying away shortly after the adds

[paper torrent]

also what opener do you use

[torn kindle]

yeah that one is definitely due to downtime

looking at the usage of other skills

[paper torrent]

oh wait i think it's 4s pre-pull you Foe's, then refresh + pot

regardless of opener

[sharp spruce]

oh

I don't actually do that opener

[torn kindle]

I think you can fit another Foes into the fight, there's a decently big gap before the last one

[sharp spruce]

in fact I guess im more bad than I thought because I actually don't open like that

[paper torrent]

Pull: Stormbite (Bloodletter + Raging Strikes) > Caustic Bite (Wanderer’s Minuet + Empyreal Arrow) > Straight Shot (Battle Voice + Nature’s Minne) > Iron Jaws > Heavy Shot*** >
Heavy Shot*** (Sidewinder) > Heavy Shot*** (Bloodletter) > Heavy shot (Empyreal Arrow) > Iron Jaws > Heavy Shot

*** : Straighter Shot proc activates; next Heavy Shot is replaced with Barrage+RA

that's what the opener at pull should be for RA+barrage

Bold is where you activate SS proc

and next heavy shot is replacced with Barrage + RA

[sharp spruce]

alrighty I'll see into that

[paper torrent]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XAkAyAEwMr50wtfQTz-Vk1U4tdgfdfWg5nRIbKNNJk4/edit#

[sharp spruce]

interesting that you place dots and ogcds before ss?

[paper torrent]

taken from this

this is what's pinned on the balance and there is another pin on the balance as well

[torn kindle]

it's weird math that has to do with procs

[paper torrent]

saying that guide is still accurate

[sharp spruce]

hmm

[paper torrent]

PP optimzation memes

[torn kindle]

basically it's better to have one or two possible procs not buffed by SS than not have those 2 procs at all

[sharp spruce]

fair point

[torn kindle]

I don't know the exact wording but it's something like that.

[sharp spruce]

I'll training dummy some rotations later on

[paper torrent]

bard memes

[torn kindle]

Silly question but you're melding as much crit as possible, right?

[paper torrent]

when your guide literally has an adenmum for optimization

[sharp spruce]

yup

but my left side gear is kinda lol

!whoequip @sharp spruce

[torn kindle]

oh it's because your group has no DRG

[storm frost]

Equipment for seikaki ranazan of Coeurl [item level 352]

Archer's Arm

Byakko's Lutebow

Head

Carborundum Helm of
Aiming

Body

Augmented Lost Allag
an Jacket of Aiming

Hands

Carborundum Gauntlet
s of Aiming

Waist

Carborundum Tassets
of Aiming

Legs

Augmented Lost Allag
an Breeches of Aiming

Feet

Diamond Boots of Aim
ing

Earrings

Ryumyaku Earring of
Aiming

Necklace

Black Willow Necklac
e of Aiming

Bracelets

Carborundum Bracelet
of Aiming

Ring

Silvergrace Ring of
Aiming

Ring

Ryumyaku Ring of Aim
ing

Soul Crystal

Soul of the Bard

[paper torrent]

wait

what

[torn kindle]

which kinda hurts you a fair bit

[sharp spruce]

I think I practically get no crit help at all in my current static comp I believe?

so yeah its a little rough

[lucid karma]

still not the end of the world

[paper torrent]

SAM, SMN

[torn kindle]

also please tell your AST to draw more cards

[paper torrent]

damn fucking memes

[sharp spruce]

lul

[lucid karma]

oh please SMN is legit

[torn kindle]

the parse they gave only have them drawing 3 times

[paper torrent]

your smn is the carry

liek every smn

[torn kindle]

when draw has a 30s recast

[paper torrent]

i fucking see

[torn kindle]

that's very awful

[paper torrent]

fucking wacih's SMN

[lucid karma]

if you want full meme you would have SAM+BLM

[paper torrent]

doesn't have a shitparse in his body

also your healer dps

is AIDS.

tell your AST to press combust sometime holy

[lucid karma]

my static was SAM+BLM during deltascape

[torn kindle]

AST needs to focus more on their cards first

[sharp spruce]

I'd still say we're just starting to really optimize

[lucid karma]

I'm SAM

LUL

[torn kindle]

they're not drawing period

[sharp spruce]

we just hit enrage today

[paper torrent]

i mean

[torn kindle]

they had a potential use of 24 draws and 6 sleeve draws

but only 3 draws and 2 sleeve draws

[paper torrent]

AST isn't that terrible at healing where you have 40% uptime

on your 30 second DOT

[torn kindle]

memes pls, look at their card uptime

[sharp spruce]

hmm. I see you point about the card uptime

[paper torrent]

WHAT

THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT

IS THA T3?

JUST 3 DRAWS?

wait hold on

DOES HE KNOW

!actoin redraw

!action redraw

[storm frost]

**Redraw** : lvl 45 Astrologian (30 second cooldown)

Draw a different arcanum from your deck.

[paper torrent]

DOES HE KNOW THAT EXISTS?

WTF.

[torn kindle]

also the fact that they used Benefic II 4x as much as benefic I is quite sad

[paper torrent]

everything about this

makes me cringe

[lucid karma]

check AST casts

[torn kindle]

I am

[lucid karma]

top tier meme

[paper torrent]

why

are his digs

so shitty

[sharp spruce]

[lucid karma]

I only want balance

[sharp spruce]

dunno man I just wanna be a relevant raider so never paid attention to my other members

[torn kindle]

Being successful relies a ton on your teammates

even if you improve to 70th percentile if they don't then you'll still struggle.

[lucid karma]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/VCZ9nmaBMXQNJAq4#fight=6&type=casts&source=3&ability=7442

hmmmmmm

[torn kindle]

Also your WHM gets my seal of approval for DPSing their little heart out.

[lucid karma]

what's with that big void

[paper torrent]

🤔

[sharp spruce]

I do notice our whm puts a ton of work out lol

[torn kindle]

yes and they are a godsend

\o/

[thorn bear]

If i have my fairy on obey, will it still cast embrace automatically?

[paper torrent]

yes thank god

[lucid karma]

yes

[torn kindle]

yes

[paper torrent]

god macroing eos that much

would make me wanna neck myself

[lucid karma]

pet auto attack, including auto heal, will always active

[torn kindle]

So I guess some things to remember from this is
1: Always pair Barrage with Raging Strikes
2: optimize the opener
3: tell the god dang AST to press Draw more often

if they aren't drawing often they might as well become a SCH. /s

[paper torrent]

no seriously

that's not even wrong

although i doubt he would be a good sch anyweay

he can't even keep one dot up

oh wait ./s

[sharp spruce]

they does have a sch and I think he is pretty decent at it but they struggle a bit with the aetherflow management apparently

they seem to be more comfy as an AST

[lucid karma]

just my opinion but in progression SCH is far superior than AST

ogcd healing is big clutch

[paper torrent]

i agree as well

[sharp spruce]

I'd think so too

[paper torrent]

AST is literally "optimized the run, the class"

SCH has a lot more raw healing power

[torn kindle]

"Optimized the run, pad the parses"
Fixed it for you.

[paper torrent]

and a lot more mitigation