endgame-lounge

[high ether]

yeah i stopped pugging entirely

[scenic patrol]

If I return to pugging I'll probably skip O5S entirely

Not worth the effort

[dull radish]

I think I need two more pages from 5 on my alt and then I have everything I want from it

[scenic patrol]

I am a tank

The only thing I want from O5S is alt accessories

Like Caster / striking accessories

[woeful prawn]

well then join as caster

[scenic patrol]

I am an ilvl 290 Caster

[woeful prawn]

meld vit and you'll pull high greys and no one will be any wiser 👀

[scenic patrol]

True, I can parse at 3K with my shit tier gear

👀

[zinc vortex]

nice

good enough my dude

[scenic patrol]

I still have my static

So no reason to do pugs

[woeful prawn]

o5s flowchart
did you do literally anything
yes?
ok here's 2 chests

[scenic patrol]

Aside from trapping

[stable basin]

although primetime might be more important than me and other night owl friends want to admit ... though yeah part of it is luck too i'm sure.

but yeah seems like if you run primetime even on non-prime days you generally get significantly better groups

[woeful prawn]

!whologs @woeful prawn

[storm frost]

Auroth Krobel of Shiva

FFLogs Data (Damage)

**Phantom Train (Savage)**

Warrior: (2704/10818) [3820.24 DPS] [96.1 Historical] [9:29]
Dark Knight: (1230/5129) [3256.43 DPS] [90.0 Historical] [8:03]
Scholar: (1866/10372) [2399.71 DPS] [90.4 Historical] [7:57]
Samurai: (3414/5597) [4501.44 DPS] [40.0 Historical] [8:14]

**Demon Chadarnook (Savage)**

Scholar: (1791/9950) [2509.08 DPS] [88.7 Historical] [8:52]
Samurai: (3556/5154) [5313.98 DPS] [32.6 Historical] [9:40]
Dark Knight: (1086/5174) [4019.6 DPS] [95.4 Historical] [8:59]

**Guardian (Savage)**

Scholar: (1176/7351) [2552.84 DPS] [88.0 Historical] [11:19]
Summoner: (3683/4048) [4879.7 DPS] [9.9 Historical] [12:00]
Warrior: (2634/7319) [4041.57 DPS] [64.9 Historical] [11:21]

**Kefka (Savage)**

White Mage: (1854/6182) [2437.31 DPS] [73.5 Historical] [6:46]
Scholar: (792/5660) [2634.96 DPS] [88.6 Historical] [6:32]

**God Kefka (Savage)**

Scholar: (767/3839) [2197.85 DPS] [81.5 Historical] [9:52]

Best historical percentile, dps, and time are displayed individually from each other and are not necessarily from the same parse.

[stable basin]

I've seen it on everything from O5S to Zurvan lol

[dull radish]

O5S to zurvan is a pretty flat scale

[woeful prawn]

full 350 deathless summoner gave me a 9 on o7s 😔 🔫

[scenic patrol]

My play time is during NA prime time

I am fucked for pugging

[stable basin]

Like ... we did HW EX primal farm fest on Saturday during the day/evening? Everything, including Thordan went well (although Thordan didn't cough up a birb ... Nidhogg gave both my friend and I one)

Same RDM friend and I tried Zurvan last night late night meanwhile, we ... managed to eke out two or three kills I think and that was more or less it

and it was clear some of the pugs were significantly worse, like these two healers that died to southern cross almost every time

I struggled to find an O5S group that could even clear last Tuesday night post midnight even with duty complete; meanwhile my other RDM friend (the one I did primals with doesn't raid and doesn't seem to even like the idea of Savage) who can play primetime more often got a 2 chest first clear on Wednesday evening (although earlier parties that day were a struggle I was told, so it might still be luck)

I'm glad my friend got her first clear and caught up to me on savage gear (well ... kinda. she even won both items, but one was for off job, and she's of course a weekly page behind me) but yeah I'm starting to wonder. how much is luck and how much is crucial importance of being on during peak hour

based on zurvan (and also on shinryu prog a few months ago, I couldn't get a clear at all late night but when DRG friend and I got to go on during the earlier evening we cleared!), I'm thinking the smaller pool of willing healers might be the big thing

but yeah. it could all just be dumb luck that I'm reading patterns into that might not actually be the case, or not enough to be significant

[dull radish]

whew that's an essay

[paper torrent]

tl;dr: peak hours OP, my friend's luck OP

[stable basin]

That's what I mean, I'm trying to figure out just how much weight is from primetime and how much from luck

[dull radish]

mostly primetime really, you'll get most people playing during that time, as the name suggests

I feel like wednesday evenings have a cozy niche where you can run into good players with static-less alts pugging

[stable basin]

Yeah you get fewer groups late night, that's obvious. The apparent evidence that primetime groups are better, less so.

[dull radish]

compared to tuesdays where folks run with their mains

[stable basin]

I'm not even entirely sure if the latter is even the case or if smaller pools just amplify the luck factor

[dull radish]

more people = more people of varying quality, but more of a better player pool to pick from

as opposed to later where you can't filter quite as much

and it's more of, take who you can get

[stable basin]

Yeah we lose a ton of time late night when we have to rep someone, especially healers

[spice comet]

If pug tuesday for best time for weeklies then monday is strangely the day for best clear

O8s clears r on mondays

[stable basin]

Heh Ravin that can be blamed on o7s

[spice comet]

Nah like u see clear pts that dont clear

I know the parse runners use monday as a help pf day/page runs day too

Weird combination of ppl i guess

[stable basin]

Even duty complete mc and hc puggers I know often need several nights to get a 7s group that works

[spice comet]

I mean once o7s clears idk aether, primal is solid for pugging 7s

[stable basin]

Yeah I'm on Aether

[spice comet]

O8s tho duty complete is a mix of trap n real clears. Just o8s clear is nice on monday i notice

Have a few ppl who pug, they get an ez 5-7 then like 8s is a shot btwn 1 shot ez to trap for days till finally settle for pg run

[stable basin]

It at least seems like Guardian influences the whole course of the Savage pug week a lot more than Halicarnassus did

Then again I didn't even get into Deltascape till like 20 weeks in since I didn't even clear 4.0 msq till October

[dull radish]

pugs for 7 are around the same as pugs were for 3

[stable basin]

I.e. people seem a lot keener on saving more of the week for 7 than for 3, so weeklies are rushed in on Monday nights

Or earlier Tuesday evening than otherwise

[dull radish]

it's pretty much the same

[spice comet]

I think thats a static preference if ppl can faceroll 5-7 theyll do it day 1 of reset

[dull radish]

ideally you get stuff cleared early in the week, esp on tuesday

[spice comet]

O8s is just more a shitshow like 4

[dull radish]

you don't go, man it's gonna take me 4-5 days to pug through 7

[stable basin]

I've also seen some guides for 7 though and seems like you're learning 3 or 4 fights effectively because the rotation is much less static

[paper torrent]

hell if you can even do o8s after like, 4 wipes you'd still do in tuesday

[dull radish]

7 doesn't have that much variance

[stable basin]

Hali didn't have so much variance

[dull radish]

hali had more

[paper torrent]

Panel RNG

literal ass kissing

[spice comet]

Yea we do 5-8 one day its just 8s is the usual shitshow

[stable basin]

Ah... Yeah I was at library still last time I had tried o3s

[spice comet]

7s is pretty straightforward, 3s screw the animal farm

[paper torrent]

And then someone forgets to pass rot anyway

[spice comet]

Toad?! Pig?! Imp?!

[stable basin]

I know debuffs for animal farm are random order, forgot about the panels bit since wasn't at final phase yet

[paper torrent]

👌

[dull radish]

7 is like, you have pattern a or pattern b, and last phase you either get biblio then dadaluma, or dadaluma then biblio

[spice comet]

Also final panels, blue book, spell?! Vine?! angry noises

[unreal flax]

Sunday, I had someone try to pass me rot. After I just passed them rot. I was fucking furious

Like, hello, do you not know how this works?

[stable basin]

Brit there's a reason T2 pugs hung around 10+ minutes for enrage lol

[unreal flax]

Nigga was chasing me around as if I wasn't flashing white hexagons and shit.

lol

[paper torrent]

Pugs are suffering

[unreal flax]

Yo

Wild part?

It wasn't even pugs lmao

[stable basin]

I played in ARR on Shiva, i remember T2 and clearing Titan Ex in DF

[unreal flax]

I one shot TitanEx in DF in my first queue.

Haven't one-shot it since.

[stable basin]

And then salting out because I wanted to do Shiva Ex so bad but I couldn't get a Moggle Mog clear so I was stuck

[paper torrent]

what hte fuck

how do statics not have communication

that's like

"HEY FUCKER, DON'T PASS ROT"

[stable basin]

I'm actually glad old EX have stayed popular, back then I was worried they'd end up as abandoned as old WoW raids

[scenic patrol]

Passing rot is done at random at my static

It's like "shit I have rot, 7,6,5,4 well better pass it up to the closest person"

[unreal flax]

Honestly, as a melee, I will always get second rot and I will always pass it to whatever person is in my path on the way to the boss.

[dull radish]

we have a general plan and just kind of wing it from there

we had a strict order at first but now it's like

whatever we're not gonna run out of time

[scenic patrol]

Aye you can even stack the whole team minus the tank and let rot pass every 3 seconds automatically and still make it

[unreal flax]

I remember being in a group that was just passing the shit willy-nilly. 6-8 had the immunity and Viral Weapon wasn't even close to starting lol

[scenic patrol]

Virus is the easiest mechanic this tier for anyone that is even remotely able to communicate

[unreal flax]

I was like, "AHHHHH STOP TOUCHING BUTTS!"

[spice comet]

Virus passing is wing it

[paper torrent]

communicate

ff14

[spice comet]

Aka i nvr get it

[paper torrent]

HAHHAHAH

[spice comet]

Ez

[paper torrent]

when rot happens

you run to the far side of the map

and die

"oops i died"

[spice comet]

Lmao

[scenic patrol]

I get it like 1/2 of the clears

Usually I don't get rot since I MT

[spice comet]

No i just dont get rot i accept that

[paper torrent]

"you do mechanics, i'm a healer"

"i'm already too stressed out"

i had a healer legit tell me this

in o6s

her excuse was to not do blue paint

for siren

[spice comet]

Whoa

Okay thats dumb

[paper torrent]

i looked up her logs, honest healer

[spice comet]

Thats like "i cant slidecast"

Plz do my paint for me

Wut

[paper torrent]

"I can't do the only strength my job has"

to be fair

[spice comet]

👌

[paper torrent]

if she has a million yalm ping

she can slide cast all the time

MonkaS

[spice comet]

She can still do it

I did it with 200 ping

[paper torrent]

ping abuser

[spice comet]

Anytime someone said they cant clear cause of ping i can actually tell them yes u can cause i did

[steep iris]

that only works in r6

[spice comet]

[steep iris]

also can i just call you a set name

👀

[paper torrent]

call me trash

that's what i deserve

[spice comet]

👀

[steep iris]

kk trash it is

[paper torrent]

everyone calls me something different

Wacih calls me his bitch

Cleave calls me WarPar

[steep iris]

healing o6s was so bad during the 3rd week

[paper torrent]

OH MY GOD.

[spice comet]

Kek

Week 1 o6s heal

[steep iris]

I felt like the tanks were on the verge of death

EVERY

[spice comet]

Is how u get heal parses

[steep iris]

SINGLE

[paper torrent]

TANKS IN O6S

[steep iris]

TIME

[spice comet]

Gotta love my 99

[paper torrent]

with 340 gear

HOLY

WHY

[spice comet]

Idk i could still 99 heal in 340 week 1

[steep iris]

now im cozy with my regen

[spice comet]

Cause tank likes being almost ded so

[paper torrent]

"oh hey shear does no damage i heard"

340 tank

eats shit

[scenic patrol]

I have gotten to 3% enrage on O2S with 250 ping

[paper torrent]

this is what i've heard from healer friends so i can't confirm

all i know

is that they were HELLA salty first week

[spice comet]

Yea o6s was actually legit week 1

[steep iris]

i was hella salty first week with o5s already

[spice comet]

O7s was butt clenching

It was then that we got 350 gear lmao

[paper torrent]

tanks were like

"lmao o5s and o6s are so easy"

and healers were foaming at the fucking mouth

[steep iris]

acid rain right after head on

LITERALLY

[spice comet]

Goes to o7s "arm n hammer"

[steep iris]

AAAA

[paper torrent]

Arm and hammer

[spice comet]

If not full health

[paper torrent]

isn't a tank buster

[spice comet]

The floor tank was real

[paper torrent]

ti's a butthole buster

[spice comet]

Basically

Had to shield them

Cause otherwise tank cd not enough ilvl is great

[paper torrent]

fishing for crit aldos

gets it

ALRIGHT DEPLOYMENT TACTICS

it's gone

WHAT

WHAT

THE

FUCK

[spice comet]

😂

[woeful prawn]

they can click off adlo to troll

[sour solstice]

precast divine benison on tank

he clicks it off

plz

[paper torrent]

precast excog

wait, why am i doing this again

[steep iris]

divine benis goes away too fast for tank to click it off :^)

[scenic patrol]

I remember seeing how people mitigated Akh Morn in T13

Man, those were weird times

[sour solstice]

I can understand clicking off preregen

[woeful prawn]

click off raw intuition
buffs shift
click of IV wrath stacks

[sour solstice]

because you are ass at holding aggro

but

[scenic patrol]

Honest healers were actually the norm

[spice comet]

Arr honest healer whoa

Hw changed shit

[steep iris]

ass at holding aggro

not my fault regen ticks once i shield lob a mob

[scenic patrol]

It was basically using Adlo like a retard

To mitigate the buster

Solo

[sour solstice]

It kinda is

You wait for the tick and then you throw

[woeful prawn]

uh

uh

[paper torrent]

"oh hey i have aldo, i don't need to pop a cd"

FUCK YOU WHO

[scenic patrol]

Or you just run through the pack

[paper torrent]

ARE YOU YOU FUCKING SHITHEAD

[steep iris]

unnecessary trouble when i could just run in there without a regen

[paper torrent]

anyway

idgaf about regens prepull anymore

[sour solstice]

Its not like im pre medica 2ing or something

[scenic patrol]

I tick off regen if I am starting a pull

[steep iris]

if you precast regen and you get aggro instantly it's def your fault

[paper torrent]

i just overpower

and have to overpower again

because they medica II'd

maybe they'll learn, maybenot

[scenic patrol]

Unless the mobs are not troublesome to pull

Like in Fractal

[paper torrent]

i just dodge hell's lidn ow

i'd rather just work on hw for 30 minutes

[woeful prawn]

shield lob groups the pack up and gives dps immediately a target to start dotting up

[spice comet]

Im a bad whm i use regen then i use holy after

[paper torrent]

than deal with that snoozefest that i have to somewhat pay attention to

[spice comet]

Amazed my tanks havent murder me yet but this is y i meme whm

[sour solstice]

Regening pre dungeon megapull though

thats retardville

[paper torrent]

if a WHM

[scenic patrol]

Holy spamming WHM are a blessing for sore eyes

[paper torrent]

just does holly

i don't even care anymore

[scenic patrol]

I love seeing good WHM players

[spice comet]

Oh goof

Good

[paper torrent]

that's all i want from them

just give me holy so i can save CDs

when i IR

IR decimate is the best thing about 4.2 war

no joke

[sour solstice]

I'd love to spam holy

[spice comet]

Cause thats all i know, regen once, holy holy, tank dying, swift holy->tetra->shield, hollly

[sour solstice]

if only my tanks would use invulns

[scenic patrol]

Man, running Hells Lid with Licksaar was really nice

[sour solstice]

instead of dying like retards in 70 dungeons

[paper torrent]

@spice comet congrats, you are better than half of DF

[scenic patrol]

I could stance dance however I wanted

[spice comet]

Wow

Amazing

[paper torrent]

HG gets me more killed than saves me

[spice comet]

N im pretty shit

[paper torrent]

i'd say you're bettter than 75% of whm i see

WHY DO THEY HOLY WHEN THE PACK IS ABOUT TO DIE

THAT'S LIETERALLY WHEN I DON'T NEED THAT HSIT

[scenic patrol]

And both my invulns are fucking shitty for emergencies

[spice comet]

No wonder i get comm even tho i regen every prepull lmao

Must be holy

[sour solstice]

Swiftcast holy second holy

3rd holy

[paper torrent]

galaxy brain

[sour solstice]

then spam c2

[spice comet]

Gotta swift a holy to do some heals

[sour solstice]

because tank isnt using CDs

[paper torrent]

yeah that's tank fault

we literally get CDs for free

they only cost an OGCD slot, and no tank has that many oGCDs that becomes a valid excuse

not even DRK

[sour solstice]

Although i wonder if Holy>A3> holy is better

because if you immeadiately holy the second time you dont get the stun

[dull radish]

eh

[spice comet]

U clipped if u did that

[dull radish]

aero 3 during the pull

just spam holy otherwise

you'll still get stuns

and the damage is more important than the stuns

[spice comet]

Oh i read a3 as assizr

[paper torrent]

how tho

[spice comet]

Yea aero 3 is prepull, u just throw aero as u run

Then its holy for days

If aero 3 drops

Dps too slow

[woeful prawn]

i redo aero

[spice comet]

Redo aero if ticks to full otherwise holy

[woeful prawn]

aero iii is 50+40 for 24s

and holy is 200-100 potency

[sour solstice]

so a gain on all targets at 18s

I dont feel like doing math

[woeful prawn]

third tick you should average out unless its like two mobs

fourth in general is a flat out gain ignoring cast time and mp costs

[spice comet]

So about 10-12 s

Itll even

[sour solstice]

Holying 2 mobs

this kills the MP

[spice comet]

Thin air

Lucid

[sour solstice]

fair enough

[spice comet]

On cd

Assize

[thorny eagle]

MAX ETHER

[paper torrent]

yell at blm for manashift

[spice comet]

Im just bad i go to boss fights with 100 mp n start off with stone like wut is healing welp only ogcd

[paper torrent]

if he doesn't give to you, rescue him into aoe

[spice comet]

Oh yea

Also yell at dps

[paper torrent]

if you're lucky he'll be too stupid to go back to his leylines

[spice comet]

Refresh n manashift

[paper torrent]

and he'll die like a shitter

./s

[spice comet]

👌

[sour solstice]

Litterally choked on a grape because I was laughing

thank mr parse

[scenic patrol]

Parse is a living comedy of life

[paper torrent]

there would be no tragedy in his death

😏

[scenic patrol]

Thinking of trying Ultimate Ultima

[sour solstice]

I really want to get to the point

[scenic patrol]

I love Ultima as a fight

[sour solstice]

where I can try UWU

but considering my iLvl is too low for O5s right now

[scenic patrol]

Gear wise I'll be BiS by the time UwU hits

[sour solstice]

I doubt it

[scenic patrol]

It ain't that hard if you can dedicate enough time to it

[paper torrent]

O5s is just literally test in paitence

and rerolling shit groups

[sour solstice]

I litterally dont have the ilvl

to attempt it

[scenic patrol]

If people like @paper torrent cleared it, so can you

[sour solstice]

im locked for the week so

[paper torrent]

this is true

[sour solstice]

out of sigma

[paper torrent]

my first clear wasn't even grey

[sour solstice]

and mendacity capped

and fuck eureka

[paper torrent]

i agree

fuck eureka

[scenic patrol]

I like Eureka

It let's me re-watch anime

[sour solstice]

heres the problem

I am on a laptop

So I dont have a second monitor

[paper torrent]

phone?

[scenic patrol]

Watch on the phone

[sour solstice]

and alt tabbing has about a 10% chance to crash 14

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

big brain

[sour solstice]

all im saying is

[paper torrent]

get a second computer

for streaming on TV

[sour solstice]

shit content

[paper torrent]

i don't know

whether i'm happy about being able to afk in eureka as opposed to grinding animas

[scenic patrol]

I like AFK content

[sour solstice]

if the recommendation is "lol watch youtube with /follow on"

[paper torrent]

or disappointed that i hate the anima grind that much

[sour solstice]

AFK content

ISNT CONTENT

[scenic patrol]

I don't mind AFK content, I actually enjoyed the MSQ changes

[sour solstice]

again

if content

is best enjoyed

by not looking at it

it isnt content

[paper torrent]

MSQ roulette is a joke

[scenic patrol]

The thing is, it's efficient while also being able to afk

[sour solstice]

I agree with the MS roulette tho

its really nice

[paper torrent]

i love it

[scenic patrol]

I much rather have Eureka than running ARF 300 times

[paper torrent]

it's literally free soils

[sour solstice]

Or you know

[paper torrent]

it totally sucks the life from it though

i got trex

[sour solstice]

get a better system than both

[paper torrent]

so i'm happy

[sour solstice]

weird fucking idea

I know

[paper torrent]

fuck the mithra minion

[scenic patrol]

Problem is how MMOs are designed to keep players playing

[lusty oak]

problem is how players now strive to be done with all on day 1

[scenic patrol]

That's just re phrasing my statement

[lusty oak]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat garnet]

How would you rank shinryu EX in term of difficulty compared to other 8-man content ?

[lusty oak]

on par with Seph Ex in time

lower than Thordan and his mates

[steep iris]

back in deltascape people said o1s<o2s<<<shin ex<o3s<o4s

but what do i know

i havent cleared shin ex

[wheat garnet]

And compared to, say, sigma ?

It definitely seems doable. But playing on a weird timezone doesn't help

[lusty oak]

o7s > Shin EX

[steep iris]

I mean if you're geared for current tier shin ex is probably way easier now

[scenic patrol]

How's Exdad with current ilvl?

[steep iris]

shinex is probably still harder than 5s and 6s cause those 2 are easy

[lusty oak]

Shin Ex still can fuck party if they do certain mechanics wrong

tidal wave meme.gif

tho with ilvl increase its much easier and faster to get to 2nd and 3rd phases

and tera slash no longer such a bitch

wings DPS check is laughable

[woeful prawn]

wings are awful with low dps

second healskulls spawn, wings start

skulls dont vanish

[stable sphinx]

Soo.. what to meld in the tank accesoires? still strength?

[dull radish]

Strength first slot always

If they're crafted and you're overmelding, crit if WAR, DH otherwise (though stacking crit is still good for all of them, just much better on WAR compared to DH due to how IR works)

[stable sphinx]

so as a paladin = str, dh, crit, det ?

[scenic patrol]

DH and crit are about the same

For melds

So meld whichever you like better

[sour solstice]

DH is for consistency vs Crit for big numbers right?

even though over time they even out

[stable sphinx]

Thank you all!

[paper torrent]

It's more so if you play WAR on the side

Or want to sub as WAR if necessary

Then you follow WAR prioerty

Minus the sks part after you hit 2.38. Although sks is semi helpful

[scenic patrol]

Not really, DH and Crit damage difference is really fucking small

Like 3 dps difference on avarage

[sour solstice]

I meant like

you get Direct Hits more often

but Crits are bigger numbers

so the DPS is basically the same

[scenic patrol]

Pretty much, it evens out

[dull radish]

It's all factored into expected damage

[scenic patrol]

Even in a crit comp

They did some sims on DRK on The Balance to check Crit>DH vs DH melds

And it came out very fucking close in favor of Crit

[pure yoke]

Hi

if you are speeding, you are rolling for max rng anyways

[paper torrent]

big if true

[torn kindle]

Sizible if correct.

[ember patrol]

I know it's a huge variable, but is there an approximate timing to build lb1?

specifically in v5s

[torn kindle]

depends on how much lb cheese you do

[heavy mist]

depends on dmg taken

who dies

[torn kindle]

also making sure no duplicate jobs

[heavy mist]

if u shield at low hp etc and take a lot of dmg

if mitigation was used

[ember patrol]

lots of mitigation. I essentially want to have lb1 by the time ghosts are spawning because I want to try the lb1 strat with my group

[heavy mist]

well having shields and using mitigation is different

[pure yoke]

btw

mitigation buffs do not affect lb

but mitigation debuffs in bosses do

[ember patrol]

It's when you mitigate fatal damage, isn't it?

[pure yoke]

yes

[ember patrol]

thought so.

[heavy mist]

whats this lb1 cheese strat anyways

[ember patrol]

you melee lb1 the tank ghost

[pure yoke]

mitigation buff does not screw over lb because lb calculation happens when it compares boss damage to your hp + shield

but a feint for example can

[heavy mist]

i guess u could just hav big shields

for head on

[pure yoke]

I mean

[heavy mist]

and stack closer

[pure yoke]

you can soil/palisade/stuff

well you use feint anyways

[heavy mist]

i dunno i dont try this type of thing

[pure yoke]

for that

it's more referring to other fights

[ember patrol]

I guess it'd be a thing that just has to be tested depending on the group

I was just hoping there was an approximate of like "for every 1-3 minutes on average you build 1 bar of LB"

numbers pulled out of my ass but you get the point

[heavy mist]

only if

[torn kindle]

If you did none of the LB boosting things there's probably an average

[ember patrol]

yeah, for sure

The variable is huge sometimes though: I've had lb3 by the end of first forsaken

I guess the question was kinda silly from the beginning

ah well

[woeful prawn]

i feel like soil and fey cov negatively affect LB

[heavy mist]

you could always test

in o6s

or any fight for that matter

[pure yoke]

@woeful prawn it does not

LB calculation happens after Mitigation Debuff -> Boss Damage -> Shield Check -> LB Calculation -> Mitigation Buff

[woeful prawn]

even fey cov?

[pure yoke]

yes

because fey cov is a mitigation buff

[woeful prawn]

pets are weird

[torn kindle]

Yeah, like Titan Egi existing.

😢

[mellow idol]

So I want to make imitation windows. Other than being a lv70 CRP with the right books and selling an arm and an leg, how much Craftsmanship am I recommended to have and what rotation should help me make them? 💦

[torn kindle]

crafting furniture is super easy

Basically use Piece By Piece and Rapid Synthesis II once it gives more than Piece By Piece.

[stable basin]

Yeah housing stuff is silly easy because no need for HQ

@torn kindle pretty much every MMO pet class gets a tank pet option, and yes basically every time it's never used on group content

Such is the way of MMO

[torn kindle]

I remember Titan Egi's 15 minutes of fame when he could cheese Ramuh EX

because the tank buster was counted as an aoe or something so he took reduced damage

[lucid karma]

!whocrafters @mellow idol

[storm frost]

Crafters for <Meoki Yowon>

Alchemist

70

Armorer

70

Blacksmith

70

Carpenter

70

Culinarian

6

Goldsmith

70

Leatherworker

70

Weaver

70

[lucid karma]

Oh...

No wonder why you asked

[sour solstice]

Nice Culinarian buddy

[lucid karma]

CUL neglected

[torn kindle]

Doesn't even have Steady Hand II

Absolutely Dengerate.

[sour solstice]

I cant be shit talking tho

[lucid karma]

Gee how in the hell you want to craft endgame if you don't have muscle memory

[spice comet]

Steady hand II neglected

[mellow idol]

I don't have room on either retainer for food... "orz

[spice comet]

[sour solstice]

!whocrafters @sour solstice

[storm frost]

Crafters for <Yalia Sagewhisper>

Carpenter

9

[spice comet]

Dump all ur shit

Just lvl cul

[sour solstice]

So

[mellow idol]

grips leather and wood

[spice comet]

!whocrafters @spice comet

[mellow idol]

no

[spice comet]

No

[storm frost]

Crafters for <Ravin Kiastucd>

Alchemist

70

Armorer

70

Blacksmith

70

Carpenter

70

Culinarian

70

Goldsmith

70

Leatherworker

70

Weaver

70

[lucid karma]

Sell your stuffs

Seriously

[spice comet]

This is how its suppose to be

[lucid karma]

Don't hoard them

[spice comet]

Get cul up to 50 at least lol

[lucid karma]

To 54

No 50

[steady pebble]

shit, atleast get to 37

[spice comet]

Oh yeah 54

[lucid karma]

54 is where you get muscle memory

[spice comet]

Yea even 37

[lucid karma]

Extremely important

[spice comet]

Just steady hand 2 is nice to have

[mellow idol]

So SH2, then. Alright, I'll keep that in mind and aim for CUL with what I can swipe off the board

but only enough to get the skills. for now.

[woeful prawn]

hello have you just

actually unironically been using 90% chance basic touches

[mellow idol]

what, no, do I look insane

[paper torrent]

yes

you have an anime avatar

[mellow idol]

Fair enough. But no

that's my own artwork

[paper torrent]

although that's coming from me

is it actually?

that's fucking great m8

[mellow idol]

yeah, dude.

[paper torrent]

👌 nice my dude

[mellow idol]

But that is not a conversation that should be here. ANYWAY, TY FOR ADVICES

[scenic patrol]

[woeful prawn]

WOAH

[paper torrent]

Is that

Shitty TA uptime

Or is that first delay normal in o8s

[wet stag]

It's normal

Bc when trick would be up it's first graven

[scenic patrol]

It's not shitty

It's quite the opposite

It's godlike

Like a fucking Swiss clock

[steep iris]

👀

[paper torrent]

o okay i didn't know

damn

that's legit

NIN carry

[lucid karma]

1 sec difference between TA off CD

I wish I am this robotic

[scenic patrol]

Virshy, look closer

One TA traveled through time

👀

[woeful prawn]

he goes backwards in time 🌌

[paper torrent]

dear mother of god

it legit

was 1 second early

waht

the

fuck

that's how good he is

he doesn't wait for CDs

[woeful prawn]

old warrior i would pop IR on cooldown no matter how much rage i had just so it would align with trick

[paper torrent]

CDs wait for him

[scenic patrol]

0.03 difference

[woeful prawn]

it was devistating to experience the trick delays becoming so extreme the 20s IR expires well before trick goes out

[scenic patrol]

Some jobs are even more Trick sensitive

Like DRK

C&S off CD with Trick no where in sight

[woeful prawn]

me on drk is 100/100 blood, no blood weapon, 140/8800 mp, carve just got off cooldown and my next combo sequence is souleater

[scenic patrol]

That's fucking poor mana management

[woeful prawn]

OH NO.

[scenic patrol]

Proper DRK mana management

[woeful prawn]

oh god let me look

[paper torrent]

o no

those dips

o no

[woeful prawn]

somehow i have 69mp

[paper torrent]

TFW your team likes to die in cycles

[scenic patrol]

Those dips are for TA all outs

[woeful prawn]

only the 4th and final one were under trick

[scenic patrol]

And I thought this was mediocre

[paper torrent]

hey

at least

hes' doing it

kinda

yeah i mean

he's gettinng it in there

[scenic patrol]

He's still a pretty good NIN

[wet stag]

Raffter capped mp 3 times

Shit drk

[sour solstice]

Shame

Shame

Shame

[scenic patrol]

One time

Siren doesn't count

[wet stag]

Jk raffter if ur reading this ilu

Once just after 5:00

[scenic patrol]

I think he's playing League again until 8 am

[wet stag]

And siren mp is full for like 20s

[scenic patrol]

Also no Raffter on this server

[paper torrent]

I mean there's a reason why the balance don't step foot in here

for the most part anywya

[scenic patrol]

Eh, aside from the DRK circlejerk that is going on here

It's alright

I have gained enough knowledge about PLD now to give advice for newbs, which is nice

[woeful prawn]

is drk bubble dps neutral, dps gain or dps loss. ignoring trick shenanigans

[lucid karma]

gain

[scenic patrol]

If you don't lose a natural Bloodspiller it's a gain

If you do it's a lost

BS under trick is always a gain

Actual answer, it's complicated

[woeful prawn]

LOL

[scenic patrol]

It's 10 potency either way

[woeful prawn]

thats why i immediatly said no shenanigans

[scenic patrol]

It's the reason why I want BS buffed by 10 Potency

To end the memes

[lucid karma]

if you want no shenanigans you'd play less complicated class

[paper torrent]

O O F

sad but true

[scenic patrol]

PLD

What's a trick attack?

[paper torrent]

i think most people here don't realize DRK is actually in a fairly decent spot

at least when you compare it to gay shit

like 4.x PLD

and even stupider shit, HW PLD

legit unplayable

[sour solstice]

Where did you get that emote

[scenic patrol]

Which one?

[sour solstice]

the chromie one

[paper torrent]

he means the pepe

[scenic patrol]

The Balance

[wet stag]

Eh

I want bs and da to be buffed equally

So it's still neutral

Otherwise people will tbn on cd

[scenic patrol]

I want 5% buff on DS

[wet stag]

I'd rather some thought go into it

[scenic patrol]

👀

[sour solstice]

I need nitro

[lucid karma]

personally I just don't like current dark arts

[sour solstice]

so I can do that

[paper torrent]

DA spam isn't just boring

it's annoying for clips

[scenic patrol]

That's fair

[paper torrent]

i love clipping my GCD with DA
'

SO FUCKING FUN

AND INTERACTIVE

[scenic patrol]

But the job is far from brainless

[paper torrent]

JUST LIKE NINJA MUDRAS

[lucid karma]

dark arts currently feels like I'm using it not because I want to gain DPS

[wet stag]

I mean

[lucid karma]

but rather I don't want to lose DPS

[wet stag]

You don't really clip your gcd

[lucid karma]

it feels different

[wet stag]

And if you're clipping you're doing it wrong

I enjoy the high cpm of drk

[lucid karma]

I feel like CPM of DRK is not really meaningful

[paper torrent]

DA C&S though when BW comes up the 3rd time around

oof

unlucky

[wet stag]

Still more fun than pld

[paper torrent]

to be fair

[wet stag]

And war

[paper torrent]

PLD is only brainless once you learn it

[lucid karma]

to be fair people would take both rather than DRK

[scenic patrol]

I like current WAR

[paper torrent]

WAR just brainless period

but at least FC

doesn't feel like shit

also IR decimate

the only redeeming grace of o5s

[scenic patrol]

And there's some really interesting things going on in WAR optimization

[paper torrent]

and then my healer yells at me

[wet stag]

Eh war is fun in normal mode

[paper torrent]

even though i poped rampart

[scenic patrol]

A lot of GCD shifting

[wet stag]

When I don't give a shit about optimization

[lucid karma]

?????

[wet stag]

I mean tbh

Drk has gcd manipulation too

[paper torrent]

DRK has defintely the most complex kit

[wet stag]

Bc bloodspiller

[paper torrent]

i jsut don't like how BS creates some really weird math compelxitiy

[wet stag]

Gcd manipulation is fun

[lucid karma]

remove dark arts

[paper torrent]

it feels like it's complicated for the wrong reason

[scenic patrol]

GCD manipulation is the entirely of WAR optimization

[paper torrent]

INFURITATE TRAIT BOIS

[wet stag]

Drk too

[paper torrent]

IT'S USED OUTSIDE OF POENER

BLES

[lucid karma]

yeah exactly how I feel

DRK being complicate for wrong reason

[wet stag]

You use tbn for gcd manip

Ok then what's the "right" reason to you

[lucid karma]

It doesn't feel rewarding as BRD

[wet stag]

Rather than high cpm

[lucid karma]

in term of complicate

or MCH, where you line everything up and then

"damn"

[wet stag]

Because just like how drk can be (badly) summed up as da spam

[lucid karma]

for me DRK is just push DA and TBN

[wet stag]

Brd can also be (badly) summed up as push buttons when they light up

[lucid karma]

and BS now and then

[wet stag]

Mch is just "do this exact thing every minute"

[scenic patrol]

Tank damage optimization is not as deep at how DPS do that stuff

[lucid karma]

fair enough

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

but wait

i thought BRD

was literally just BL resets

the class

[lucid karma]

it is

[scenic patrol]

There's some interesting choices of where to reapply dots

[paper torrent]

also i don't think anyone argued bard is the king of complexity, in terms of that

[scenic patrol]

To get more out of Crit buffs

[wet stag]

Isn't that on a fight by fight basis tho

Oh

Nvm

[lucid karma]

it's lining up buff

[wet stag]

Wow

Brds have to line up buffs?

Damn

[lucid karma]

and yes BRD loses dps when there's no DRG

[wet stag]

Drks lose dps when there's no war nin or sam

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic patrol]

Or a Monk

[lucid karma]

or DRG

or SCH

[scenic patrol]

That sneaky 3% STR buff

[paper torrent]

i mean snapshoting

is just a general mechanic in most rpgs

nowadays

[scenic patrol]

DELET PARTY BUFFS

[lucid karma]

delet SAM

[paper torrent]

i agree

delete SAM

giving a melee cast times

was a mistake

[lucid karma]

melee caster

not meta like caster

[paper torrent]

if that is what blue mage turns out to be

i'm fuckin gout

[lucid karma]

but has to be in melee

[paper torrent]

that just sounds like

someone with a SMN rotation

but with zero flexibility in movement

that just sounds like a class that no one wants to optimize

[scenic patrol]

I want a Hammer tank

[lucid karma]

no, DUAL hammer tank

[paper torrent]

WAR needs more spins

[scenic patrol]

Dual wield sounds fun as well

[paper torrent]

also we need a dual wield sword class

this isn't an asian RPG till we have one

or you know, just give me onion knight

i don't care which at this point

oh wait

that's RDM

WHEEEZEEE

[lucid karma]

some NIN dagger technically as big as short sword

but yeah they used like dagger

[wet stag]

Give me berserker where you can just afk

[paper torrent]

i want a tank with spins

in their melee rotation

[lucid karma]

PLD?

[wet stag]

!action quietus

[storm frost]

**Quietus** : lvl 64 Dark Knight (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 160 to all nearby enemies.
Dark Arts Potency: 210
Additional Effect: Restores own MP
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Dark Arts fades upon execution.

[wet stag]

!action bloodspiller

[storm frost]

**Bloodspiller** : lvl 68 Dark Knight (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 400.
Dark Arts Potency: 540
Grit Potency: 475
Dark Arts+Grit Potency: 650
Blood Gauge Cost: 50
Dark Arts fades upon execution.

[paper torrent]

1v1

rotation

[wet stag]

!action total eclipse

[storm frost]

**Total Eclipse** : lvl 46 Paladin (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 110 to all nearby enemies.

[paper torrent]

okay fuck it

you beat me

[lucid karma]

it is tho

[wet stag]

!action steel cyclone

[storm frost]

**Steel Cyclone** : lvl 45 Warrior (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 200 to all nearby enemies.
Ignores the damage penalty inflicted by Defiance.
Can only be executed while under the effect of Defiance.
Additional Effect: Absorbs a portion of damage dealt as HP
Additional Effect: Increased enmity
Beast Gauge Cost: 50 ※Action changes to Decimate while under the effect of Deliverance.

[paper torrent]

haha

like i'm going to use that

when decimate exists

nice joke

[wet stag]

Arr content

[paper torrent]

runing roulettes on a tank

running leveling like some kinda poor person

ew

[lucid karma]

I mean what

[paper torrent]

this is why i play healers

[wet stag]

I run roulettes on pld bc it's just as fun to play at low levels

[paper torrent]

so i can complain about drawing cards

[lucid karma]

both goring and royal spin

[wet stag]

I.e. not

[lucid karma]

on PLD

[paper torrent]

i was thinking

something like zerker

from Tera

i miss my tera zerker

although wait

that's just a melee

with cast times you can move during

wait i found out how to fix sam bois

you can midare

but also MOVE

[lucid karma]

lol nice try

we probably get NIN tenchijin trait

that allow moving

at lvl 72

before SAM can move

if anything they'll remove cast bar on SAM as a trait, or ability

[wet stag]

I just wanna get more use out of third eye tbh

HOLD THE FUCK UP

Why does zenos never use third eye

Even though he looks like he has one

Inb4 level 80 Sam skill in concentravity

[lucid karma]

because zenos isn't SAM

he's just sword weeb

[wet stag]

Sams are literally sword weebs

Wtf

[scenic patrol]

I should level up SAM since it shares gear with MNK

[wet stag]

Sam is p fun after 64 honestly

[scenic patrol]

But that means playing Sam

🤢

[wet stag]

Sam is just sword mnk

[scenic patrol]

Also I'll go for it once I have BiS set for Monk

[sour solstice]

I find SAM fun at 50

[wet stag]

What level is ur sam

Still 50?

[sour solstice]

52 makes it really fun

[scenic patrol]

Just unlocked

[wet stag]

Rmb heaven on high is coming out 4.3

[boreal edge]

@scenic patrol btw whats your mnk ilvl?

[scenic patrol]

359?

[boreal edge]

tried dummy?

[scenic patrol]

5.8k

[boreal edge]

ah kk

[scenic patrol]

https://puu.sh/A4RBl/6df3e1adc1.png

[paper torrent]

why does monk soulstone

look like a fuckign dorito

[lucid karma]

is that a problem

[paper torrent]

also goddamn when savage alt gearing make you swol af

[stable basin]

Why can't I change my starting city-state/class?

How come that is the only grayed out thing when you fantasia?

[outer garden]

because you can't change the past, my friend

only look to the future

[steady pebble]

because its based on your starting class

[stable basin]

Tired of seeing CNJ

Wish I could change to ARN

[steady pebble]

arn

[stable basin]

Arc?

[outer garden]

arnold, terminator class

[stable basin]

ARC seems weird

[azure hill]

ACN?

[steady pebble]

archer or arcanist?

[stable basin]

OH

[azure hill]

ARC is archer

[steady pebble]

because arcanist is ACN

[stable basin]

Arcanist is ACN?

That'd be my last guess

[steady pebble]

yeah

[stable basin]

Been too long sheesh

But still Wish I could change

[steady pebble]

make a new character :^)

[stable basin]

In the least alt-friendly MMO in the universe?

[zinc vortex]

level up to around level 15, do MSQ until you get the quest to visit the other city-states, get to Limsa Lominsa, change to ACN.

easy game no fantasia or new character involved

[steady pebble]

except that doesn't change starting city-state/class stat on your character's page

[zinc vortex]

then start a new character 😌

[stable basin]

[outer garden]

it's ok, i started as thm, and that black mark will forever be on my lodestone

ul'dah

[steady pebble]

I'm glad i made the right choice from the start

[outer garden]

i did it cause you used to need thm to 27 for swiftcast for whm and i thought it'd be faster to start with it 😔

[zinc vortex]

ah yeah 😔

[steady pebble]

pfft

[zinc vortex]

cross-class system

what an abomination

[stable basin]

I wanted to heal and WHM looked pretty neat. Did it to fit my future BLM gf

Jk, SCH masterrace

[zinc vortex]

gotem

[stable basin]

Well I guess Gridania is better than Ul'dah

[outer garden]

anything is better than ul'dah

[stable basin]

Ok I feel a bit better now

[outer garden]

that's where sam and rdm come from 👀

[zinc vortex]

[grizzled seal]

ul'dah is the best city

[lavish cobalt]

Do u always get only one totem at Susano/Lakshmi/Byakko?

[steady pebble]

yes

[paper torrent]

Only thing that changes is if you get other rare stuff. Totems are always one per clear

[radiant tiger]

gridania is a shithole also you got tired of cnj before even unlocking the armory?

[stable sphinx]

Hey, going to have my first savage raid with my pld, https://de.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/9331050/ could you say if my melds are correct? Going to overmeld after raid i think

[unreal flax]

WHAT IS THIS WHAT lol

Your current melds are fine, yeah. I don't think that single Crit materia will hurt your overall numbers. As you said, overmelding will come later. Looks pretty okay to me

[spice comet]

Other than the fact its german and i cant read shit, looks fine to me ur more geared than my tank when we initially started

[stable sphinx]

Oh.

Kritischer Treffer = Crit
Direkter Treffer = Direct Hit
Entschlossenheit = Det
Stärke = Strength

[steady pebble]

you can change the de. part of the url to en.

to make it english 😛

Er not en >_<

its na.

[stable sphinx]

@unreal flax Konstitution/Constituion is Vitality ^^

[unreal flax]

Yeah, I was joking. Con is just what it's called in D&D, so I found it funny

[stable sphinx]

and what is the best food?

nvm got it

[grizzled seal]

dh/str is fine

if you have the money you might wanna overmeld your trinkets

[scenic patrol]

DH and crit melds are very close in actual DPS numbers

but if you want to play Warrior as well I recommend going str>crit>dh

[spring dock]

i did dh on mine

but other than that my stats are almost the same n i cleared just fine

[stable basin]

haven't done melding on pal since we used to decide what stats to level, what should i meld in my equipment ?

[sour solstice]

Johni answered the uestion above

[stable basin]

thank you XD

lets make my paladin a warrior XD

[vital gulch]

Paladins are Str > DH > Crit. Warriors have a ability that specifically benefits from Crit over DH.

[sour solstice]

Yeah but like johni said, its neglegible

[vital gulch]

There is a chart somewhere on Reddit that shows DH/Crit actually feed off each other. If the sum is under 3500, stack DH. If the sum is about 3500, balance; if the sum is over 3500, stack Crit.

[spring dock]

det is last if u cap everything else also

[dull radish]

forget that 3500 number exists

it's not really strictly true and very misleading

[vital gulch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1cJaTt3NGl-x8iFzyLpupfo6b7ChV-UIn-71yZ-xyivk/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true This explains it better

[dull radish]

"If you compare the two sheets: DHvsCritNoBuffs and DHvsCritBuffs, you can see how this threshold of 3500 changes to 3100 when you add in the buffs from a bard, dragoon, and scholar"

along with other things

just going by "3500 is the threshold" isn't completely an appropriate metric

[vital gulch]

For beginners without a static group, just pick a number. If you have a static group, use the charts

[dull radish]

there's also consideration with various thresholds and whatever other secondaries you have

I'd go with, in general for beginners it won't make much a difference what you meld other than relevant stuff (especially STR on tank accessory first slot), but at this point stacking crit is generally an overall good idea for most jobs

if you want specific things, you should look at build comparison sheets

with the goal of working towards a proposed BiS

[hazy lichen]

alright so

I have the entire set of RDM anemos gear. What materia should I go for for RDM

[stable basin]

None.

Since the tomestone stuff is higher iLVL.

[hazy lichen]

RDM is a side thing for me though, so I'm putting all my tomestones towards my AST right now, but I'd like to meld this gear as best as I can

[dull radish]

Probably go with crit where you can, DH where you can't. Probably not gonna be perfect but will be more than fine enough

[spice comet]

Dh, crit, whatever has room

[stable basin]

omg this shin ex pug

the war still has an unmelded i300 weapon

[grizzled seal]

enjoy

[scenic patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411742651810054144/435902097222008842/ffxiv_dx11_2018-04-17_23-09-43.png