#endgame-lounge

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dull radish
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it's not as bad as food haha

hybrid rapids
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Haha

dull radish
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but still bad

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I had to

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reapply food once during raid

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weaved it in during triple

hybrid rapids
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It’s a common thing in ultimate you forgot your food

dull radish
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but still clipped so hard

hybrid rapids
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And forced to use it halfway

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Pot at this point is for parse runner right?

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Or player tried to optimize

dull radish
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yeah generally

pure yoke
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Pot can also be used if you are having trouble with some dps checks

fading widget
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i honestly feel like

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pots arent needed for enrages either

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unless you're at min ilvl

dull radish
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not needed strictly, no, but can help

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like, imagine having a sub 1% wipe or something

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and nobody used pots

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sure, if people played better, you didn't need the pot

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but if you folks had used pots, it might have made the difference

stable basin
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Yeah like that one Shinryu run

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We literally died to enrage with not even a pixel of the HP bar left sadness

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The group disbanded right after because people were so bummed

dull radish
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well I wouldn't pot ex primals

stable basin
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Yeah it's the thing that only occurs in hindsight

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I didn't use them on my o5s clear either... Not really sure it's worth it till o7s now?

dull radish
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worth is relative

stable basin
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That too, there's kind of a Murphy's law about that

dull radish
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but yeah, in pugs generally don't pot until 7

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at least at this point

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mostly because I know I'll do a good bit more than anyone else even without them haha

stable basin
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If you use them you'll clear enrage by miles anyway, if you don't you will hit it at 0.5%

stiff thorn
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first time playing dps, any tips to improve?

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ik i let my dots drop once bc im bad

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too many buttons!!

lucid karma
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I am no way good at BRD but you can try refresh DoT (iron jaw) before raging strike ends

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so it snapshots

torn kindle
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Barrage and Raging Strikes should always be paired together, they have a similar recast and Barrage greatly benefits from it.

stiff thorn
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yea, i think i have a bad habit of holding barrage way too long waiting for refulgent

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and it screws up the timing

lucid karma
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if it's not up in few seconds just use it

torn kindle
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Better to have a RS+Barrage Empyreal instead of a Plain Barrage Refulgent.

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...I think.

lucid karma
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oh yeah

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empyreal is weird one

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it acts like ogcd but is weaponskill

stiff thorn
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refulgent barrage will hit harder, but the longer you don't use barrage, the more dps you "waste"

lucid karma
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so benefits from barrage

torn kindle
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Also I don't think I see you opening with Foe's so that's another thing to do.

stiff thorn
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i did tho !

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but i could probably use another one sooner

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mm actually maybe it doesn't matter that much because

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i wouldn't get another full foe before lullaby anyway

heavy mist
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👀

lucid karma
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if anything you're not utilizing Raging Strike buff enough

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barrage inside RS, fresh DoT inside and before RS ends

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should improve your DPS

stiff thorn
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yea i think

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holding barrage too long screws up everything

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and they stop lining up

torn kindle
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F

lucid karma
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lol same problem with me then

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I keep forgetting empyreal is weaponskill

boreal edge
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@torn kindle RA barrage is still better than RS barrage EA

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i will look in log now

lucid karma
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it is, but RA is also RNG based, holding barrage for too long just for RA can be DPS loss

boreal edge
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you only hold it until EA is up again

lucid karma
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true

boreal edge
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ok i looked

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1st your dont refresh jaws be4 RS run out

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also just 3 foes used in whole fight

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which supposed to be closer to 6 usages

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given how boss is kind to give you mp

lusty oak
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don't use foe expect opener

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dps loss

boreal edge
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dps loss to you yes

stiff thorn
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but still rdps gain

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and hmmm

boreal edge
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but not with accounting party

stiff thorn
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yea ive been a bit pinchy with foe

lucid karma
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this is very hmmm

stiff thorn
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i only use it in ap

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right before i go to wm

lucid karma
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well in good raid pt you want to use as many foe as possible

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overall damage > your own

stiff thorn
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i also only used refresh once outside opener

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if i used off cd i could prob get more foe in

boreal edge
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also why drg

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had 1 min of fight without pierce res?

lucid karma
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how

stiff thorn
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lolidk

boreal edge
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7 min to 8 min

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has no pierce res

lucid karma
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I thought DRG rotation is brainless as fuck

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can't miss piercing if done rotation correctly

lusty oak
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well, he fucked up

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obv

lucid karma
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wew that's a big fuck up

lusty oak
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insist on kicking him

stiff thorn
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well either way ~ seems like i have a lot of prac to do before even pushing to orange !

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maybe gear is a thing too, my brd is like i350

paper torrent
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o6s is hard to do well in because most people have diamond/tome weapons now

lucid karma
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i350 pushing that number is bretty gud

stiff thorn
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yea, my static just started working on gkekfa last week :< so still no 375 weapons for a while

paper torrent
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o5s does too so yeah

stiff thorn
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i've been struggling to keep my 99s on sch too

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with 355 weapon

paper torrent
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has the same problem so yeah*

boreal edge
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@stiff thorn 1 more thing

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do u only use pitch perfect just on 3 stacks?

lucid karma
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oh yeah use pitch perfect before song ends no matter what stack it is

boreal edge
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u are supposed to have like 10 more extra usages

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given you have drg and sch

stiff thorn
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i use it on 2 when we have crit buffs up

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otherwise 3

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though sometimes its weird

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and i have like 3 stacks but

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i dont want to clip

boreal edge
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pitch perfect should be used even if you will end up clipping

stiff thorn
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oo, ok

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i will try that next time ~

boreal edge
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those stacks are more precious than your gcds

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i wont lie if i said

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pitch perfect alone

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make up close to 20% of your dps

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i used to be stingy like you on foe usages

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til i saw how foe requiem did more rdps than battle voice

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i started to use it far more often

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foe usages in o6s should be

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1- at opener

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2- right after 2nd possession with refresh up

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3- before siren

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4- right after siren

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5- right before the hide behind stone possestion with refresh

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6- as 2nd tank tornado pop

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boss should be dead around that part

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if not

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you can get 1 extra usage before enrage

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so 7 total

stiff thorn
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oo ok, thanks for the tips !

thorny eagle
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Try not to clip pitch perfect unless a dot tick is coming up which would make you overflow, if you're about to use EArrow and that would also make you overflow, or if you're dumping stacks and switching songs

thorn bear
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for the 3rd graven imageit's always either

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its always between

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dps

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and tanks/healers

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its not like "oh 2 dps got sleep tether and tanks"

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or "2 dps 2 healers"

stable basin
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How the fuck do you time LB3 as a tank

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My sense of time is out of whack

hybrid rapids
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which fight

paper torrent
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i assume ex byakko

hybrid rapids
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it take like 1~ second to apply

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last 8 seconds

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you have to look at that tiger's castbar and estimate it

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won't be hard

paper torrent
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i generally use it at 80%

hybrid rapids
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yea, that's good

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since it last 8 seconds

paper torrent
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i htink

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the LATEST

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i do it

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is 90

hybrid rapids
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pretty close

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i would do that 80% too

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better safe than sorry

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anyway, that really depends on fight

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byakko you only take 1 hit

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so it's fine on 80%

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sometimes you can only do it only 90% or right after it casted

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the group take first hit and mitigate the following hits

paper torrent
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if you're dying to state of shock though

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someone is fucking up hardd

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2nd tiger is a tank fuckup though 100%

stable basin
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might as well get used to DPSing the 2nd tiger anyway

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at higher gear levels it is unreliable to have LB3 at the right moment

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... might be the first time since Levi that too much gear is a hindrance on an EX fight?

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(maybe. i've read that specific levels of rdps can be a problem on shinryu also, but then the problem goes away at even higher levels of rdps)

hybrid rapids
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idk, i haven't do susano / laskshmi / shinryu after 4.2 hits

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not sure how much can you skip

pure yoke
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I mean

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you will get to a certain point

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where you can kill Byakko before tiger

stable basin
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The problem with Shinryu is that with specific levels of RDPS you'll push phase at 23% during Reiryus

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You don't want that, because the last 23% is a straight DPS race and the healers will still have to stop and take care of the reiryus at that point

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will we even get to "kill byakko before tiger #2" before 80 unsync though

pure yoke
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it's already done

stable basin
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(we might, given the level of power creep ... last tier 4k dps was considered okay by most and now 5k is often considered bad)

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hah byakko pugging is going to get really fun really fast LOL

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will you need tank lb3? can you use tank lb3? will you even get tiger #2 at all? find out this time on Jade Stoa Extreme!

hybrid rapids
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oh, it isn't an issue

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you can take down without healer DPS

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we did that back then when it was first released

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too much DPS and pushed the phase

stable basin
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I remember popping LB3 on a12s waaaayy too early

hybrid rapids
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oh

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that one is easy

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at 4 seconds count down

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use it

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4 or 3 is fine

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use it on 3 then

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you are only taking 1 hit

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but it's slow

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that counting is trolling you

stable basin
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yeah that a12 thing is just something else in terms of truck hitting lol

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you pop LB3, and even with LB3 it slams you hard enough that you're practically back at having LB2

hybrid rapids
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after it finished counting the animation take like another 3 seconds to actually hit?

stable basin
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Do all tank LB3 last for the same amount of time?

hybrid rapids
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yes

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but some people hate DRK's

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it block your vision

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back in nidhogg we use lb 3 to cheese fight

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and people was shouting

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DRK NO, DON'T DO IT

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in JP tho

stable basin
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LOL

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@hybrid rapids welcome to ffxiv server tick and its inconsistencies

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especially its inconsistencies, omg

scenic patrol
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Lol, but DRK lb3 is the best looking LB in the game

stable basin
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e.g., orbs you grab on boss in temple of the fist? those register on contact

scenic patrol
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And it's less vision blocking than RDM LB3

stable basin
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orbs you have to grab on susano ex? you have to hug those for 3 seconds each

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meanwhile byakko's aratama orbs ding you on contact, etc.

hybrid rapids
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it block your vision then half group get hit by that group aoe

stable basin
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I've only ever used RDM LB3 once, I forget what it looked like LOL

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it was finishing off the final boss in WoD

hybrid rapids
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then put you on hysteria?

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blm one is annoying too

stable basin
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I remember the Summoner grumbling at me because he wanted to use it

hybrid rapids
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then AST

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omg

stable basin
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"YOU STOLE MY TERA FLARE" was what I remember LOL

hybrid rapids
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AST literally fck your whole vision

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i just googled it

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omg

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it fck whole party vision for like 3 seconds?

stable basin
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yeah, but as a rule if you have to use healer LB3 it means you fucked up

hybrid rapids
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erm

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in a4s

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we did a lot

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and always shout at AST

stable basin
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since I can think of fights where the tank one is necessary or often used, and plenty where the DPS one is used of course

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but I can't think of any where the healer LB3 is a necessity, and usually that many deaths means you did something wrong (unless a4s sac strat?)

hybrid rapids
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hmm

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yea, i can't think of any else

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blm one was sephirot

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omg

pure yoke
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Healer LB3 is mainly for recovery

hybrid rapids
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you have to dodge that aoe

pure yoke
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or cheesing Grand Cross Omega

hybrid rapids
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and it block your vision

dull radish
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caster LB on sephirot was the worst

hybrid rapids
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^

pure yoke
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BLM LB3

hybrid rapids
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melee was better right?

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JP strat has caster do it

dull radish
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generally have ranged do it in pugs

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if party was decent though you'd just melee LB boss

pure yoke
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why so for caster?

hybrid rapids
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caster hits more painful

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for aoe

dull radish
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the cast time + animation lock generally meant caster was getting hit by one of those AoE though

hybrid rapids
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there was adds and a ball

dull radish
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and if people were dumb and stacked with them, they usually died haha

hybrid rapids
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oh ya

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that aoe haha

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from your ground

dull radish
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decent bit of damage + damage down stack

hybrid rapids
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@pure yoke let me show you

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hahahaha

pure yoke
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I still haven't done anything people consider "hard content" yet

hybrid rapids
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the next moment he knew he fcked up when casted lb

pure yoke
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I kinda lost motivation for ultimate pretty early on

hybrid rapids
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don't have to follow people's standard

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nothing is really hard in FFXIV

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it's scripted

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just take a lot practice

grizzled seal
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do what is fun umaru

stable basin
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yeah I'm not sure why there seems so much hivemind in XIV

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I guess pugging would be even harder if there wasn't

pure yoke
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man

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imagine trying to do Thordan EX with pugs today

stable basin
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but yeah you hear about "during prog" like everyone starts and progs raids during the same time frame early in the tier

hybrid rapids
stable basin
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and people acting as if there is not a current tier at all during the last couple months of one

hybrid rapids
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it reminds me of sadness

pure yoke
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consider these are people who seen dozens

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if not hundreds of kills

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by that point

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I already have 90 logs in fflogs atm

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and it's been like 10 weeks

stable basin
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I wouldn't even be surprised if some are elitist enough to actually actively not want new people to start clearing savage at that point too

pure yoke
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I probably spent like

stable basin
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probably not really all that many, but likely some

pure yoke
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160 to 180 hours raiding this tier

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on Sigma so far

hybrid rapids
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i would prefer to do ultimate at this point

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instead of wasting pot in sigma

stable basin
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since then you're mixing people with one rocky clear into weekly pugs where the ones who did it week 1 or 2 can now clear in their sleep

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some people probably hate that.

dull radish
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you have such a tendency to overthink things

pure yoke
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they wouldn't be playing in pf

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or playing in their groups

dull radish
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yeah

grizzled seal
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people jus want their weeklies without hassle in pugs

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doesnt matter if you cleared week 1 or 10, aslong as you pull your weigth

hybrid rapids
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i am doing it on PUG only

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i love those variances

pure yoke
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you can't be picky in pf

hybrid rapids
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it's like you can see people fall down when during confuse xD

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too close to platform edge

stable basin
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5S isn't too bad. 6S I have to try still. 7S pugging is apparently Midas levels of sanity breaking according to those I know who do so

grizzled seal
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no

dull radish
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what do you even mean, midas level of sanity breaking

stable basin
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I mean I've seen people almost want to stop raiding altogether after trying to pug 7s

grizzled seal
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lol

hybrid rapids
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😖

grizzled seal
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7s isn't really too bad

pure yoke
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third fight of a tier is usually annoying to prog through

grizzled seal
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well yea, because 1 and 2 are usually easier

hybrid rapids
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it's a huge scale up from 2

grizzled seal
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so the bads are stuck on 3

hybrid rapids
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except midas

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where most players agreed 2 was harder than 3

grizzled seal
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while 4 pug base is a bit better

stable basin
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yeah, midas started kicking your ass from fight 2

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A6S still isn't a joke even now

hybrid rapids
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also, i think they lowered a lot the difficulty

dull radish
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they did

grizzled seal
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sigma and delta are quite easy i'd say

dull radish
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yeah

hybrid rapids
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i miss midas a7s

dull radish
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I don't miss caster jail

steady pebble
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they said they were quite happy with where creator was, in terms of difficulty, right?

hybrid rapids
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i'm a healer

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can drink some water when during healer jail

dull radish
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I have to sit there and let an add hit me while I watch my team keep padlock with 1% hp

stable basin
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part of it i think too is that gordias and midas mechanics practically pushed the limits of what's even practical xiv architecture wise

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a3s, a6s, and a8s are all known for mechanics that get incredibly fiddly due to the server tick system in particular

dull radish
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A3S was the only real annoying one with that

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the rest were super reliable

stable basin
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isn't height error subject to server tick also?

dull radish
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no

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you're on the right panel or not

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you have ages to be there

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if you're on an edge or late, that's on you

pure yoke
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I got server tick'd by abandonment in O7S

dull radish
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that's not server tick bs

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yeah O7S is dumb with that

grizzled seal
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they said creator was fine, they also said they'd make omega harder per tier

hybrid rapids
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i won't rant on difficulty

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since we have ultimate

pure yoke
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I think Godka is harder than Neo and Alexander

hybrid rapids
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isn't communion puddle harder than 2nd forsaken as DPS?

dull radish
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yeah

grizzled seal
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Ya

pure yoke
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I guess but

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there is more midfight stuff in godka

hybrid rapids
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godka is annoying on uptime tho

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and DPS check

pure yoke
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also Godka dps check might be tighter than A12S check

hybrid rapids
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it's

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higher than neo as well imo

stable basin
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yeah a lot of people seem grumbly about the dps checks this tier

pure yoke
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it's just the early weeks

stable basin
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I don't remember this much salt about them in Deltascape, nor in ARR when I last played actively

pure yoke
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we are back at the 20 death clear meme at this point

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with our gear

grizzled seal
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if you hit enrage with 360+ it's time to clean up your tries

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or gitgud

stable basin
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also is this midtier activity lull especially bad, or is this normal?

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mid deltascape didn't seem to have nearly as much of a tail off

pure yoke
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seems normal to me

dull radish
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yeah it's pretty normal

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there's still a good amount of activity, all things considered

hybrid rapids
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a lot players gone inactive

dull radish
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but yeah, still some folks just waiting out for ultimate now

hybrid rapids
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after 4.1

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a lot of my friends were late to raid this tier

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me myself late 6 weeks into raid

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😖

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i want to see an ultimate weapon ultimate

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uwu

pure yoke
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how is the life?

hybrid rapids
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Work work

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I should take few days off this week and buy ni no kuni 2

pure yoke
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@hybrid rapids I might go get Yakuza 6

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finished 0 and Kiwami and really liked them both

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getting localized in a week

hybrid rapids
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Yea, it’s a very detailed and high graphical game

pure yoke
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I heard Yakuza 6 has less side quest

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but everything is voice acted

hybrid rapids
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I haven’t played any of them but heard a lot positive feedbacks from my friends

pure yoke
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playing Y6 demo atm

hybrid rapids
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!!

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Enjoy !

pure yoke
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I must gain respect on the streets of Tokyo

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by beating people up with a bicycle

stable basin
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It's a cultural thing

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beating people up with a bicycle

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... now i'm thinking of that one Shadow Hearts game where the one guy beat people up with odd shit like vehicles and buildings and such

thorn bear
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holy shit

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I just met Johnny Bravo

real ingot
thorn bear
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he even has a johnny bravo macro

real ingot
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Big fan hahaYes

prisma sable
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omg LMAO

worthy vigil
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Which of the birds is the toughest to farm?

hybrid rapids
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erm

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sephirot?

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because you have to actually do mechanic

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also required a party of 8

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or the tether fck you up

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means you competing with 8 players

worthy vigil
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Gotcha. And drop rate wise?

hybrid rapids
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kinda high

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like 1/3

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material is rare tho

worthy vigil
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Cool thank you!

hybrid rapids
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np

blazing pelican
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Sephirot is also the last fight where falling off is perma death

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Can make pugs iffy

hybrid rapids
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depends on DPS

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you can actually end the fight real fast

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before the 3 punches

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the problem is that green and yellow

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it still instant kill if mistake

pure yoke
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so umm

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how much rdps would you need

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before Sephirot becomes a striking dummy?

hybrid rapids
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i can't recall

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but it was tough

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like 2nd hardest primal boss in HW

blazing pelican
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I bet a proper raid group could down him pretty damn fast

hybrid rapids
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1st is thordan

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yea, we downed it right after the tornado

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erm, ranger LB3 then ride the ball after

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mug, you can try synced to fight

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not need to do minimum ilvl

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but synced is enough

wheat garnet
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Sephi is ok as long as you have good dps and people aren't colorblind

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Which, surprisingly, can be hard to get

pure yoke
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Sephirot is the only primal I haven't cleared yet

unreal lance
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W/e the next one is will be the only one I haven't cleared

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SB primals are ass and zero fun

wet stag
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Lakshmi is pretty fun

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Was p fun

pure yoke
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I don't like hard primals

dull radish
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I feel like in general I tend to enjoy them, but there's always a phase or something that I don't

pure yoke
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because they expect me to farm it 99 times

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imagine doing Thordan EX in PF

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99 times

dull radish
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I know someone that did haha

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Was in PF daily for a few weeks

pure yoke
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though what do I know

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I barely do primals

unreal lance
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One aspect I don't like are the really long transitions that started in zurvan

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Like yeah it's cool

pure yoke
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I mainly just do savage

unreal lance
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But takes me out of the game for no good reason

pure yoke
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I kind of see Primals as a way to show off their budget

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they certainly put alot more budget into primals

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than actual raids

paper torrent
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I wish more raids were voiceovered

unreal lance
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I wish the game was fun for non raiders

wet stag
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I wish they had voiced cutscenes for raid REEEEEE

unreal lance
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Same

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Always surprised when they aren't

pure yoke
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I pretend to be the voice actor

wet stag
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I wanted to hear kefka's voice tbh

unreal lance
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Maybe next tier I'll try to suffer through finding a group to raid with so I can do the "fun" part

pure yoke
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the fun part is flaunting your fflogs

paper torrent
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Can confirm

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am 50 percent

unreal lance
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Mine are grey for sigma cuz I only tied it once as a fill in and had no idea what was happening

paper torrent
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Stroke my dick erryday

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To my barely blues

unreal lance
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I stroked my 95th percentile back in delta for days man

paper torrent
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I think it is too late for me to find a weejend atatic

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I'm just happy i hit blue honestly

wet stag
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I won't be happy until I hit 85-90 median tbh

pure yoke
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I won't be happy

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until I am number 1

wet stag
paper torrent
#

I believe epresso

wet stag
#

But like I don't wanna pad

pure yoke
#

I don't pad

wet stag
#

I just wanna get to 85-90 due to my own skill

#

You're gonna have to pad to get number 1

pure yoke
wet stag
#

I know ur ayaparse2

pure yoke
#

I can settle for umm

#

top 5 ASP

wet stag
#

But if you wanna get ayaparse you gotta pad

paper torrent
#

OOC

wet stag
#

Because other people will

pure yoke
#

just have to believe in crit rng

wet stag
#

Lmao

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Sure

pure yoke
#

other than o5s

wet stag
#

Good luck blobwizard

pure yoke
#

you benefit immensely from kill time

paper torrent
#

I dunno hpw drg

#

Parse grey in ots

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You have omni

#

And can pad on aoes

wet stag
#

I mean

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25% of parses are gonna be grey

#

Someone has to be

paper torrent
#

I've seen so many loldrgs

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That i fewl like you can not die and get at peast green

woeful prawn
#

i got a deathless 9 on smn this week

paper torrent
#

Whrn does bahamut come up on o5s

stable basin
#

anyone on aether for lakshmi? need 1 more

lyric summit
#

should be up during adds if that's what you're asking @paper torrent

paper torrent
#

25% atleast then

#

akh morn is fucking sick.

zinc vortex
#

You get it once like 70-ish seconds in then its up for adds again

proven yarrow
#

what kinds of materia should i be looking into on pld

hybrid rapids
#

DH > Crit > DET

proven yarrow
#

so should i do something like dh right side, and crit/det left side?

paper torrent
#

For pentamelds it depends on the piece

hybrid rapids
#

are you going to do savage?

#

and preparing savage ready gear?

#

it cost you a lot tbh

paper torrent
#

First materia is always str for right side though

proven yarrow
#

i want to look into savahe

#

i have i355 so far just not sure what i should be melding and where

paper torrent
#

Mostly paladins meld DH = Crit > det > Ten> Sks

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If you're a omni like me

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You just meld crit instead because warrior exists

proven yarrow
#

can i not meld dh on right side?

paper torrent
#

Only if you do pentas

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Str is always done for first slot gaurnteed even on crafted

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25 str is fucking stronk

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This is assuming you do that

scenic patrol
#

you never want to meld DH over melding STR

paper torrent
scenic patrol
#

STR is main stat while DH is substat

paper torrent
#

That assumes you're like me and poor as dirt

#

Also obligatory stolen from the balance

scenic patrol
#

also Crit>DH is also good if you have a crit comp

paper torrent
#

It's pretty close

#

Some peices are shits for melding crit though

scenic patrol
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which is DRG, SCH and BRD

paper torrent
#

Like the 360 boots

scenic patrol
#

crit has higher value in crit comps, but not by much

#

so you can safely meld DH

paper torrent
#

Crit is also better for people who warrior as well

proven yarrow
#

im still kind of confused on this

#

so every gear i have has 2 materia slots on it

#

or 1 slot

#

i should meld 1 str on everything, and 1 dh on anything with 2?

supple sail
#

Weapons and armour have 2 slots, belts and accessories have 1 slot.

#

If they're crafted they actually have 5 slots.

#

Anemos gear, Ultimate Coil Gear and WT three-lines rewards have 5 guaranteed slots but none of that is current BiS-level gear.

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Gear has "caps" for each stat--a maximum amount of stat bonuses it can carry in that stat.

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Weapons, armour and belts are capped on strength.

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Accessories only have a little strength on them if you're a tank, there's room to meld some more.

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So, weapon, armour and belt = meld DH

#

Accessories = meld strength.

proven yarrow
#

oh so str right side, dh left side?

supple sail
#

Yes.

azure hill
#

Though, arguably

#

If your left side is still 350, melding VIT might be worth it

#

Then switching it out for STR once you get a better weapon/left side

proven yarrow
#

i think its something i'll have to experiment with to find what works for me

paper torrent
#

Not for pld imo

#

Pld should OT

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And then MT after ghosts

#

Pld has so much fucking mitigation that vit is just excessive

proven yarrow
#

well i think the str/dh meld let me kill the o5s sss thing

#

ok new question, what kind of raid food should i be looking into

azure hill
#

!item crimson cider

storm frostBOT
#
**Crimson Cider** **:** Meal **:** ilvl 340

*Official beverage of both the Ala Mhigan alliance and the Doman uprising, or so cider brewers would have you believe.

EXP Bonus: +3% Duration: 30m
(Duration can be extended to 60m by consuming multiple servings)*

Vitality

78 (98 hq)

Direct Hit Rate

37 (46 hq)

Critical Hit

70 (88 hq)

azure hill
#

This is the goto for most classes

#

Tako-yaki might be a good option too if you have a lot of DET

#

Persimmon leaf sushi or Onigara-yaki can be decent cheap alternatives

#

Everything adds up, so you're better off using some food than none

scenic patrol
#

Cryo, you can't fucking meld VIT on tanks

azure hill
#

Oh 😛

#

I play DPS this tier, sorry blobcatwinktongue

heavy mist
#

so since dots snapshot

#

does iron jaws for BRD snapshot the current buffs and reset with that?

azure hill
#

Yeah

heavy mist
#

i see

azure hill
#

That's why you want to IJ just as Raging Strikes is wearing off

heavy mist
#

but the first dot wont have any buffs right

#

🤔

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cause in the opener theres no buffs on the first dot since u open with it

azure hill
#

Yeah

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That's why the opener has IJ after the third gcd (iirc)

heavy mist
#

right

azure hill
#

dot -> dot -> straight shot -> ij

scenic patrol
#

There's also some clipping dots there in the opener for catching raid buffs one final time

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Iirc

thorn elm
#

Im looking at a players logs in fflogs, is there anyway to see there gear when they killed it?

boreal edge
#

nope

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maybe lodestone if he/she didnt switch jobs

#

before it update

thorn elm
#

Na they did 😦

boreal edge
oak parrot
#

Any recommendations on what to spend 1,170 mendacity on? I haven't tried raiding yet so I can't get the weapon tome. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/18314074/

boreal edge
#

tfw you cant copy link in a code

oak parrot
boreal edge
#

get belt as you seem to be working on full anemos set

#

with accs

#

the 5 melds on anemos making upgrade from i350 to i360 is somewhat questionable

#

depends on substats

#

also there is speculation that anemos set might get upgrade to i365/i370

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in 4.3x

oak parrot
#

how hard is it to pug the raid that drops the prototype tomestone for the 360 weapon?

#

oh that would be 7 weeks regardless, may as well spring for the accs now

scenic patrol
#

O6S is the easiest savage raid this tier

#

But for tomestone weapon you just need to kill story Kefka 7 times

boreal edge
#

@oak parrot o5s and o6s should be easily puggable

#

tome drop from o6s

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but getting i360 wep while you have i355 anemos is waste of tomes

#

you need o7s solvent to make it i370

#

so getting wep become worthwhile

#

but o7s is not-so-pug-friendly-fight

leaden lava
#

its pretty easy to pug now everyone has gear

dull radish
#

O7S pugs can still be a mess, especially in learning/clear parties

blazing pelican
#

I joined a God Kefka prog group

#

3 guesses how far we got

untold oyster
#

One shot

blazing pelican
#

well the tank was at least

pastel drift
#

nice one

#

10/10

spice comet
#

So kefaust prog paissasquint

split falcon
#

o7s this late in the tier is a mess to pug

desert trench
#

any dominantly JP players online atm? pepothink

wet stag
#

hi boss

desert trench
#

do you touch the jp players or just vohiyo

wet stag
#

uh ive pugged with jp players

desert trench
#

in my studies they seem to dislike warrior tanking in favor of paladin, and DRK seems to be the majority MT

#

do you know why this is pepothink

steep iris
#

nah, war is mt usually

wet stag
#

yeah for them mt order is drk> war> pld

#

in my experience anyway

desert trench
#

nearly every log I've reference pulled for o7s and above has DRK as the primary

split falcon
#

that sounds horrible

steep iris
#

ive rarely played with drks

desert trench
#

they are currently the least damage taken in o8s

#

both fights

#

with the drk mt

wet stag
#

i wanna say its because they respect the hell out of tbn

#

but ive never pugged with another drk

split falcon
#

drk pulling over war namazuthink

desert trench
#

warrior still pulls

#

they swap early

wet stag
#

those are statics then

steep iris
#

war has the least dps loss from pulling in tank stance

split falcon
#

in that case it's not that bad

desert trench
#

MT doesnt mean pulling tank

#

it means the tank currently tanking

wet stag
#

if they swap early its def not pugs

desert trench
#

most swap post celestriad, or during

split falcon
#

in pugs that usually means MT = pulling from my experience

wet stag
#

pugs only swap when needed, but then they swap back

split falcon
#

because pugs don't know what swaps are

desert trench
#

I'm using the standard definition of MT/ST

split falcon
#

jp is probably different though

desert trench
#

primary/main tank, secondary tank

split falcon
#

yeah i know

wet stag
#

yeah emiin's asking about jp

desert trench
#

ye

split falcon
#

yeah i know

desert trench
#

this is not really a phenomena but seems incredibly significant

#

lowest dmg taken recorded so far is a content respecting the fuck out of drk

azure hill
#

Hey, it's a nice change

#

Usually you have to tell DRKs to turn on Grit

desert trench
#

they didnt use grit

split falcon
#

i can ask a jp player i know real quick

desert trench
#

by content rwspecting i mean actually using cooldowns and abusing the shit out of TBN

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its low enough that it'll probably be an outlier in the dataset

primal oak
#

JP PUGs never do WAR pull strat

#

it's always DRK MT by default; otherwise WAR

azure hill
#

Ah, nice

desert trench
#

yeah these are all static groups I'm pulling due to the nature of random sampling

#

but

#

why is this pepothink

#

is there a why

split falcon
#

"JP PUGs never do WAR pull strat"

#

do JP pugs hate DRK

#

do JP pugs hate everyone

desert trench
#

drk pulling is a small loss in potency pepothink

#

now paladin pulling, thats the shit tier one

primal oak
#

JP PUGs also very, very rarely shirk unless there is a tank swap

#

if the other tank even uses shirk at all it's auto-commend geblobcatshrug

#

but that's just people being bad instead of actual common strat

desert trench
#

so no why, tho

#

tell me your secrets fake japanese person

primal oak
#

secrets for?

desert trench
#

DRK primary MT

primal oak
#

idk, maybe it's a leftover from HW culture which highly favoured DRK MT

#

TBN is also stronger when put on self so they might prefer that for the higher mitigation

#

WAR misses out on the Vengeance damage, though 😦

desert trench
wet stag
#

jp has a higher focus on "safe" strats

#

even tho i know you dont think theyre safe

#

but it requires the least coordination imo

primal oak
#

maybe it was something peko wrote on her(?) blog months ago and people just follow it blindly

spice comet
#

Jp i thought they follow a particular set guide

primal oak
#

JP PUGs also have this problem where if a strat is put on a blog, gets a /p macro made for it, and it "works" in PUGs, that's the strat that will be done forever

wet stag
#

yeah

spice comet
#

Maybe in guide

wet stag
#

lemme post the o7s one to give you an idea

#

【Atomic Ray】| 【Chakra Burst】
 D1  D2  |    H1
        |   D1 D2
 D3  D4  | D3 MT ST D4

H2
【Ink】
MT
D1▲D2
ST
D3   D4
H1 H2
*D1 and D2 stacks together before
magnets resolve

【Dadaluma wave cannon】 Place at 9 o'clock
【Bibliotaph】 Tanks + Melee: North → East
        Healers + Ranged: South → West
【Tentacles】 Rear → Front → Side
【Aether Rot】 Person with Rot moves to pass
        Melee → Searing Wind Healer →
         Abandonment Healer → D3 → D4\

spice comet
#

Oo

primal oak
#

that's a translation; the original is japanese

wet stag
#

yeah ofc

spice comet
#

Its set and simple

primal oak
#

yep

wet stag
#

but these fake weebs cant read moonrunes

spice comet
#

Compare to our pugs of....rot, wing it!

primal oak
#

there's also a convention of sorts; D1/D2 are expected to be melee, D3/D4 ranged

wet stag
#

when rot has 5s left theyll start jumping

#

its hilarious

spice comet
#

Lmao yep

primal oak
#

my static was like "why do we have to wait for someone to pick it up"

#

you know your timer, all people involved are ranged; just have the next person stand on a marker and when the current rot has <5s you just pass to the person in the marker

spice comet
#

This is y virus is hard lmao pug strats

azure hill
#

My static has been following the Japanese strategy

#

Seriously, virus was the easiest part of O7S progression

zinc vortex
#

my group wings it

#

but we wing it very well

azure hill
#

Adds plus missiles was probably the biggest headache

#

Takes so little for someone to clip one

woeful prawn
#

best fucking shit

#

is when casters jump with virus

#

like youre already actively not doing damage

#

run into soneone

primal oak
#

why are you not casting REEEEEE

spice comet
#

They wannna live

#

Jk but im surprised the shirk jerk is not common for jp pugs

wet stag
#

the shirkle jerk

#

the circle shirk

#

i prefer shirkle jerk

spice comet
wet stag
#

jp has shirking your co tank to take a buster unironically

spice comet
#

I mean makes sense but no voke shirk for just more aggro?

wet stag
#

yeah dont count on jp tanks vokeshirking

#

they never do it lol

spice comet
#

How do they keep aggro in o8s

#

Tank stance

#

paissasquint ???

wet stag
#

i think so tbh

spice comet
#

Jesus

wet stag
#

ive had to stay in tank stance until first archangel

paper torrent
#

Tanking in jp sounds fun

wet stag
#

just fuckign daps combo all the time

#

i mean

spice comet
#

If u stay tank stance u can def keep aggro

wet stag
#

ur a drk/war?

spice comet
#

Whm gotta spam cure 3 like a crazy person to take it

wet stag
#

youre tanking the boss the entire way through

spice comet
#

So wats the cotank doing

wet stag
#

blue dps

spice comet
#

Being a dps?

#

Lmao

#

That does work

wet stag
#

and they take maybe one buster

spice comet
#

Very strangely but they can make up ur dps

wet stag
#

i mean for o5s-o7s i just stay in grit for the first 4 gcds

#

and thats good enough

spice comet
#

Yea that sounds fine just wondering how u deal with god but some shared busters and perma tank stance does work

wet stag
#

i know ot invulns first embrace

#

then mt invulns 2nd

#

and 5th i guess

paper torrent
#

me in savage

#

O SHIT HEAD ON RI AND HG

#

does normals

#

O SHIT HEAD ON RI AND HG

#

loses like, 25 percent

#

Oh right this is normal

spice comet
#

Yea sounds right for o8s

#

So ot does take a tb at some point

wet stag
#

and embrace 3 and 4 are split

spice comet
#

I see namazuthink

worthy mirage
#

you said you're a DRK? whats your OT?

#

cuz that sounds awful

wet stag
#

pld, normally

#

my co in my static is a pld but that might be changing soon

#

ive rarely co tanked with a war

spice comet
#

That would be no hallow

#

Gotta hg and ld

wet stag
#

yeah

worthy mirage
#

could invuln 4/5 of the busters though

wet stag
#

but hallowed 2 gud bc hyperdrive

spice comet
#

Yea hallow is nice

worthy mirage
#

also cover

spice comet
#

Damn yeah missing cover too

wet stag
#

pld is just in a stupidly good spot too

spice comet
#

Bleeds tearing ur hp a new one

wet stag
#

jp pugs rarely use cover tho

worthy mirage
spice comet
#

No cover hyperdrive?

#

But less or even no bleed

#

👀

wet stag
#

my static covers first hyper

woeful prawn
#

4th hyperdrive is aids to heal

wet stag
#

so thats nice

woeful prawn
#

uhh

#

embrace*

wet stag
#

is 4th during angel phase or archangel phase

#

is it in forsaken, rather

woeful prawn
#

post 3rd forseken embrace

worthy mirage
#

its between forsaken 3 and 4

woeful prawn
#

so betweeen 3 and 4th dark phase

#

wings embrace hyperdrive GWchenHonk

wet stag
#

ah ty

spice comet
#

U go on ur meteor push surecast

#

And watch tanks get ult embraced paissasquint

#

Then zzzz and confused yeah its hectic

dull radish
#

3rd and 4th forsaken are so cozy <3

spice comet
#

Wings hyperdrive is good with pld

woeful prawn
#

i have eos tether on mt during 3rd 4th forsaken

spice comet
#

Butt clenching if it was drk and war paissasquint

woeful prawn
#

so mt doesnt die to rogue autos after share

limpid ocean
#

carry me through o8s auroth paissasquint

woeful prawn
#

mister

#

cure iii on A ranks

thorn bear
#

The 3rd hyperdrive is after the ultima upsurge before we ascend to the 3rd statues?

#

its like mana charge graven image mana release ultima upsurge hyperdrive?

worthy mirage
#

talking about regular kefka? sounds right

limpid ocean
#

I cure 3 on s-ranks tyvm

split ocean
#

Having a rough time with something in fairly late game as a new SCH - anybody up to answering some questions in a side-chat? 😃

worthy mirage
#

should check out the balance if you want some good feedback

spice comet
#

Yeah for more in depth balance is better

zinc vortex
#

can the balance help mathematically solve my depression pepehands

paper torrent
#

no that's too meta

zinc vortex
#

they're probably too busy stroking themselves over their purple parses anyway FeelsPepoMan

stable basin
#

Yay got my first orange parses today

#

The good thing is I've found my groove with rdm for sure

#

The bad thing is my groove is with rdm lol

dull radish
#

ah, was wondering what you got orange

#

lakshmi

spice comet
#

Theyre busy circle jerking and memeing to do math

dull radish
#

not too competitive, especially at this point haha

zinc vortex
#

getting there though

paper torrent
#

I mean it just means he can play rdm i guess

dull radish
#

yeah

steep iris
#

I have a healing orange parse 👌

spice comet
#

So do i

#

99 heals kefka

#

Do i win in heal carry paissasquint my cohealer carried my dps

steep iris
#

i heal carry in kefka and i steal aggro instead

spice comet
#

I feel like god kefka we learn differently i heal more and cohealer weaves in as much dps paissasquint

#

also this was on 176 ping for me for this weeks clear, so rip heal carry ezer

sonic mesa
#

Do you have to have done delta savage to have sigma savage in your duty finder ?

pure yoke
#

no

#

only sigma normal

sonic mesa
#

Can't find savage anywhere on the DF even though completed Sigma and spoke to the Magitek Terminal

pure yoke
#

look at High End Duty

sonic mesa
#

Ohhh

#

Thanks

thorn bear
#

Stealing aggro as a healer seems to be an issue with my last party

#

it honest to god seemed like my voke+shirks did nothing to help with aggro

fading slate
#

Anyone here able to help me figure out this ACT install?

dull radish
#

sure

#

what issue are you having?

fading slate
#

created an exception in windows 10 firewall, set the program to run as admin

#

Still throws the no network access and memory configured but not admin errors everytime I test network connection

#

I would allow it's specific TCP ports but I can't find where those are listed.

dull radish
#

that's a bit odd of an error, let me check a few things real quick

fading slate
#

I've googled it and every instance of it happening people just gave up and uninstalled.

#

I don't think malwarebytes will block it, but I'm checking that now

dull radish
#

it might, yeah, doesn't hurt to check

fading slate
#

The admin error is the weird one

#

I don't know what else to do but allow the program admin access in properties

#

Yeah I can't see anything here that'd block a TCP connection

#

I manually reinstalled the plugin.dll still nothing

#

I changed the folder to be non-read only, still nothing.

dull radish
#

you've tried/done most of the stuff I would suggest, mmm

fading slate
#

I'm going to disable the firewall all together just to rule it out.

dull radish
#

yeah

wet stag
#

Is this your first act install on this pc?

fading slate
#

Mhm

dull radish
#

do you have a filter on your IP in the FFXIV settings tab for plugins?

fading slate
#

I don't know

#

but shutting off the firewall let it through

#

So SOMETHING in Windows Defender's stupid-ass unable to be uninstalled even though it's total ass programming is blocking it

dull radish
#

sounds about right

fading slate
#

I did the usual, create a new rule, allow a program through the firewall, all connections bit

#

So I can't figure anything else I can do unless we know the precise TCP ports involved.

#

Well it's working but I'd rather not disable my firewall everytime I wanna use it.

#

Oh well.

thorn bear
#

When it comes to cover as an ability

#

does mitigation used by the person you are covering lower the damage you receive as the palladin?

wet stag
#

No

#

Unless the mitigation is something like uh

#

Tbn on you

#

Or if you're with another pld for some reason intervention on you

scenic patrol
#

Cover ignores both Hallowed and mitigation on the target

#

Hallowed can still be used in a combination with Cover though

#

For things like Head On

fading slate
#

Dumb question.

#

Use all my mendacity to get a belt upgrade now, my weakest slot 330-360, or wait another week and get a chestpiece, 340-360

wet stag
#

Chestpiece

#

More stats

#

Actually

#

Check the main stat difference

fading slate
#

Chest is 27 more strength vs. 20

wet stag
#

Chest then

fading slate
#

Been basically doing sigmascape for tank accessories because I am too casual to pentameld stuff

#

And then just planning to do full 360 left side.

wet stag
#

Seems solid if you're just starting savage

stable basin
#

I switched mains, my mendacity goes to rdm now

fading slate
#

Eh not going into savage, just optimizing my causal-ass normie stuff

#

I'm trying to get the 355 anemos weapon, I hear it's better for a warrior than the 360

wet stag
#

By like 5 dps

#

Out of 4+k

fading slate
#

Also looks way cooler. Uzumaki looks pretty dumb.

wet stag
#

Unless youre going for low ilvl speedruns specifically, which sounds dumb af, it's literally not even worth considering

stable basin
#

I'm actually often kind of a salty tank

fading slate
#

Well I mean, I'm gonna get it anyways for later artifact levels.

#

So if it's even as-good as the others, I'll save my sigmascape crystalloids for one of my other tank jobs

stable basin
#

Mainly because if I'm tanking a pug it's probably because I couldn't get a pug as rdm :/

#

Yes, I had someone lock out rdm from lakshmi last night. From fucking Lakshmi wtaf

scenic patrol
wet stag
#

Odenta is a fuckign big weeb sword

#

It's great

stable basin
#

Rekk I think you were there in the linkshell at the time actually

scenic patrol
#

I don't even see old Primals on my DC

fading slate
#

I was.

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Yeah the dark knight sword is great, it's a giant nodachi

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But the warrior axe looks like a giant fucked up war-spork.

narrow plover
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Glam.

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There are plenty of good axes around for your glamming pleasure

stable basin
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Wow Chaos doesn't do older content in pf?

scenic patrol
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Pizza Cutter

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And not much, I rarely see Primals aside from Byakko on PF

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Unlike Aether

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It's weird

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Maybe it's my play time

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Who knows

stable basin
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Maybe they use DF

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We basically never use DF for EX in NA

scenic patrol
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Lol, good joke

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Chaos using DF

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Only DC that uses DF for savage/extreme is JP

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They are an exception

wet stag
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Ye boi

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Works too

scenic patrol
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It won't ever work on NA/EU due to shitty mentality

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People look too easily to blame others instead of themselves

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So they don't learn

stable basin
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Yeah I queued a1n and lakshmi ex a few months ago one morning

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... A1N popped lol

cerulean pilot
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what's the tank food again?

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takoyakI?

worthy mirage
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ye

wet stag
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I use cider bc my dhit is high enough

worthy mirage
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also good, but keep in mind you aren't getting the full stats from it

wet stag
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But

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I am

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I'm pretty sure

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Actually yeah probably not

worthy mirage
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you can't get enough DH to gain the full bonus

wet stag
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That's a good point yeah

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Im getting the full crit tho so that's nice

worthy mirage
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difference is very minimal so either food is fine imo

lavish cobalt
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Reached lvl 70 and need i300 to progress with the MSQ

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any idea where i could farm those?

paper torrent
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two ways, you can try queueing for deltascape

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if you just reached 70 though do your 70 job quest and get 290 left side and weapon

scenic patrol
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Dungeon gear together with Creation gear

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Should be enough

lavish cobalt
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Alright thanks!

woeful prawn
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duty finder was populated for a9s and sophia. took 5 minutes to pop for a9 and instant for sophia. it died off immediately when cross world pf became a thing.

hybrid rapids
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I tried to go as SCH

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it was a wipe because PLD forgot a reprisal at very last moment

pure yoke
lucid karma
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that fucking sucks