endgame-lounge

[blazing pelican]

Hopefully one of those RDM knows how to do the ghost if the Warrior fucks up

[heavy mist]

doubt it

[scenic patrol]

I despise solo tank strat for O5S so damn much

you have no idea

[median kindle]

you can't even log on them

[paper torrent]

Solo warrior is the sign of trap parties

It stresses the war for no good reason

[scenic patrol]

it forces him to be in tank stance

[granite fossil]

Does anyone know how much secondary stats = 1 main stat?

Just approximately is fine

[hybrid rapids]

@granite fossil weapon damage = roughly 15 mains stat

the others we don't know

but if you mind to tell which job you planning to optimize bis

can help to tell the priority substat

[cerulean pilot]

will the skallic coat of striking also count as 3 star for the fashion report?

[hybrid rapids]

current week is tank isn't it?

[cerulean pilot]

the BiS for body is tank

but I don't feel like running skalla a million times

I only have the coat of striking

[steady pebble]

all other skalla coats are 3 star

just make sure you use appropriate colour dye

[stable basin]

lol all these various cheeses make one start to wonder if the enrage timer for o5s is severely overtuned

because i don't think i've ever seen a fight where people have this ardently tried to find skips and breaks

[steady pebble]

o5s is pretty forgiven, no?

i don't really see how people finding ways to cheese the fight as necessarily an indication of whether its overtuned or not

[stable basin]

It just seems like people have been particularly passionate about picking apart this one fight for cheese

[steady pebble]

probably because they find the passenger car part annoying

not because the fight is overtuned

[scenic patrol]

O5S overtuned?

wow Nadine that's fucking rich

it has rDPS requirement of about 23K?

[heavy mist]

around there

[scenic patrol]

that's like retarded levels of low

[stable basin]

tbh, i've never really quite gotten the allure of speedrun strategizing for Savage specifically

[heavy mist]

its for fun

something else to extend the replayability of content

hence speedruns

[scenic patrol]

because it lets people actually do something they enjoy instead of clearing raids each week and be done with the game

raid logging becomes very boring without prog

[steady pebble]

not to mention that finding little ways of messing with an encounter to get a clear can be pretty fun

[scenic patrol]

speed is essentially second prog phase

Guardian needs about 29K rDPS just so you know the difference

[steady pebble]

but im having a hard time seeing how making cheese strats = overtuned

pugs demanding ppl do the cheese strats is just them being stupid imo

[scenic patrol]

the cheese strat basically guarantees nobody dies at ghosts

which makes the fight easier

overall

[steady pebble]

sure but its still requires someone to do it right

which can be just as much as a gamble as doing the fight properly

either way tho, pugs mindlessly going "OMG OTHERS DO IT THIS WAY, GOTTA FOLLOW" is never a good indication of how things are

[scenic patrol]

pugs are pugs

pugs will also try to have as less tank swaps as possible

although it's a lot more efficient to have frequent swaps

[wet stag]

I love how shirking someone else is done unironically in jp pugs in kefka

[unreal lance]

Shirk me off

[boreal edge]

because doing dps for 20 secs with 0 mechs happening in there is why ppl skip it

also skipping ghosts is more rdps

so better percentiles and less downtime

[untold oyster]

Gay Train is the only boss that continues to be damaged by dots while untargetable right?

For this tier at least

[scenic patrol]

Yes

[untold oyster]

I knew it, people in my raid group thought me a fool for saying so

[zinc vortex]

it's the only boss i get thundercloud procs on while invulnerable

i just wonder why there isn't some consistency to this though

[dull radish]

well you can get procs even when they don't take any damage

[woeful prawn]

out of all of them guardian should be the one to take damage

but he doesnt?

[dull radish]

and they made it pretty consistent other than train

[woeful prawn]

i get why kefka dots dont tick cause its a tighter fight

[zinc vortex]

i mean yeah, but consistent outside of train means it's kinda inconsistent

😔

and yeah that kind of makes sense

easier to design around a specific dps check if dots can't tick during downtime

[dull radish]

used to be much more inconsistent before, then they kind of standardized things more

then suddenly made an exception with phantom train

[scenic patrol]

The only reason train has dots tick is due to Chimney

[dull radish]

probably, but we can't really know for certain

[spice comet]

Didnt exdad dots also tick

[dull radish]

no

[zinc vortex]

i mean is it really because of chimney?

[spice comet]

So all those times we hit 59 we were actually good 👀

Lol i thought we were lucky cause everyone saw the dots still on him

[scenic patrol]

Chimney does damage to boss when it dies

So they probably can't make the boss invulnerable

[dull radish]

that's decent reasoning for why train takes damage from DoTs still but it's only one possible explanation

[zinc vortex]

hm

yeah

[dull radish]

we can't really say it's because of that

it makes sense that it would be

but can't say for sure

[woeful prawn]

salty that guardian jump ignodes dots

cause thats like a legit strategy

[scenic patrol]

Would make SMN really strong for that fight

[woeful prawn]

everything but rdm mch p much

[stable basin]

They might have to nerf the dots on Phantom Train eventually though ... I'm wondering if it could potentially in the very long run bug out like Ravana Ex

[dull radish]

I don't foresee them changing that

[stable basin]

Yeah there would have to be a bug out scenario to justify it, I'm not managing to think of one just yet

Ravana Ex had the problem where if he died during Bloody Fuller (due to dots) you were stuck

then they made him be invulnerable during that

[dull radish]

If anything they'd probably force you to spawn point if you like cleared while on the chimney part

[spice comet]

🤔 thats at a damn high ilvl cause doesnt the train go invuln around 50% or so for adds

Dots still ticking

[paper torrent]

Tfw you have a group where the MOBS in o5s enrage

[spice comet]

Thats possible

???

[dull radish]

mmhmm

[spice comet]

Wut the heck

[dull radish]

also, I was wondering why BLM all stars tanked so hard

for O5S

then I found that good ole Holis Cube ended up going all out again with the padding

second highest parse: 7129. Their parse: 8515

very nearly knocked me out of orange all-stars on their own haha

[spice comet]

Thicc pads

Holy hell

[torn kindle]

🤔

[dull radish]

that feel when 9th best BLM for a fight is now only 115.3 all star points

[spice comet]

Thicccccc

[dull radish]

literally knocked me down from 119.5 or something

[torn kindle]

I wouldn't be surprised if they got a mana shift for an extra flare.

[spice comet]

They basically solo the adds

Jesus christ thats heavy

[torn kindle]

Nah, Break does Heavy, not Flare.

[dull radish]

good ole 7 Flares

didn't even get two Fouls haha

[torn kindle]

s-seven?

[dull radish]

yeah

[spice comet]

I mean heavy padding

[torn kindle]

👀 💦

[paper torrent]

tfw your parses live and die on mana shift

[spice comet]

Lol not literally heavy :V

[paper torrent]

Just caster main things

[dull radish]

I thought mana shift was gonna be a good meme

but if your party just lets you solo adds, who needs meme mana shift for extra Flare

just get several AF cycles on them, and more Flares that way

[spice comet]

Did they also get extra mana from songs or lucid? 👀

[dull radish]

those don't work

only way to get mana in AF is convert or mana shift

or siren

[spice comet]

Jeez

[dull radish]

or max ether I guess

but pot has more value

[spice comet]

So basically soloing adds padding

[torn kindle]

I bet that 100% of the best parses for each class solo'd those adds.

[dull radish]

and then they proceed to do bad casts on the adds after Flare spam

BLM was cozy before this for the fight haha

only thing Laqi did was a bit of cheese for extra Foul on adds

nothing special

[torn kindle]

Man I wonder how big the parses for O6S would be if FFlogs counted the feathers for damage.

just group them all up.

[spice comet]

Lol thats prob y they didnt

[torn kindle]

but think of the numbers tho

[dull radish]

that feel when I "missed" two F4 in an O6S run

because I hadn't noticed somehow I targeted an eaterlily instead of the boss after an AM

was even slightly concerned because I had solid lead on aggro on my target

then I was like, oh, right

[lyric summit]

why are the feathers even targettable

[sullen sable]

Probably because of how the game handles Fungah

[woeful prawn]

so its not just my brain ? you actually have to target feathers to use the meltdown wagon's ability

[torn kindle]

I don't think you have to

[spice comet]

Nah blow in general direction

[sullen sable]

You don't have to, no, but the game probably checks for targets within the cone and performs the push like most aoes

Or something

[woeful prawn]

free target overpower WHEN

FUCK

[sullen sable]

[opaque temple]

I know the gpose command, but how do people get those other menus to customize everything about the picture?

[dull radish]

generally same keybind as autorun

[torn kindle]

I'm pretty sure for PS4 controller it's square.

[untold furnace]

can prototype tomestones drop on any floor of sigmascape savage ?

[dull radish]

just O6S

[untold furnace]

okay, and it's not a guaranteed drop right ?

[opaque temple]

It will always drop if there are 2 chests

[untold furnace]

ohhh that's nice

[wet stag]

Just a matter of if you roll high enough to get it

[untold furnace]

okay, thanks for the quick answers !

[cerulean pilot]

my road to 60 is gone T_T

why even play this game anymore

[wet stag]

For the catgirls

[woeful prawn]

you have road to 60 on all other classes

[raw cliff]

who needs road to 60 when you can have this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOsdy1ZsXUs

[sterile geyser]

on a scale of 1-10, how stupid and wasteful was this? 😄

(context: drg is my alt and it wont get anything i370 for a long ass time)

[scenic patrol]

It's alright

[hybrid rapids]

@sterile geyser if you are doing raid eventually

[scenic patrol]

Tome gear can be better

[hybrid rapids]

you don't waste anything

[sterile geyser]

yeh my pld is main for raiding, but ill go into pugs with the drg sometimes

its not all that bad tbh, just has a looot of skillspeed lol

[hybrid rapids]

but as johni said

tome gear can be better

[sterile geyser]

360 tome gear, or 370 tho?

[hybrid rapids]

360

but 355 is doable

[sterile geyser]

cause i got a static full of people with Need on the polish / weave and stuff, mines greed lol

[hybrid rapids]

that's why i said you didn't waste

[paper torrent]

oh yeah if that's hte case then anemos gear is PERFECT

but if it's your tomestone dump then hell no

[sterile geyser]

like i can spare him polishes if i happen to get one in a pug group, cause my pld obviously doesnt need em (all crafted right side) but yea

[scenic patrol]

Tome gear is usually better, even 360 gear

Than Anemos

But Anemos is really fucking close

In effectiveness

[sterile geyser]

that's good at least, not a waste .

[scenic patrol]

Ayy

It's what I plan to use to gear alts

[sterile geyser]

yeah since its real easy to farm

working on my pld set now even tho i dont plan to use it, just in case later versions are better

[scenic patrol]

The only Mendacity purchase I have left as a tank is boots

But I have raid boots

So I am in no hurry to buy the tome ones

[sterile geyser]

ive been done with mendacity on pld for awhile now. not all that many pieces needed for bis

but only recently started clearing o7s so no luck on weaves yet

[scenic patrol]

It's generally chest, pants and boots for us tanks

Unless BiS is raid pants for you

[sterile geyser]

weeks of doing 5 and 6, when i dont need anything from either T_T

[scenic patrol]

Same

I got everything I need from 5 and 6

Only need 7 and 8

[sterile geyser]

well i take that back, i did need diamond belt. so thats something

got it like week 1 or 2

[scenic patrol]

Haven't progged 8 yet

T_T

[sterile geyser]

yeah havent touched 8, and wont until my static gets there

and... they havent cleared 7 yet haha

only gotten it done via pugs

[scenic patrol]

We have cleared 7 after 12 hours there

4 weeks

[sterile geyser]

i dont know why its so hard :<

like most fights, its easy af for tank

[scenic patrol]

It's easy

You just need to be consistent

Dying during some stages is an automatic wipe

[sterile geyser]

me and my co-tank have already started optimizing, while the rest of the group still hasnt gotten virus mechanics down

[scenic patrol]

Wut, Virus is the easiest part of the fight

Compared to the shit there is after that

[sterile geyser]

-shrug- panic i guess

[scenic patrol]

Everyone had their assigned positions

[sterile geyser]

i think its the opposite tho.... i feel like once youre done with virus its all downhill

[paper torrent]

the amount of people

[scenic patrol]

Ultros + missiles though

[paper torrent]

that get softlocked

[scenic patrol]

[paper torrent]

at fucking byakko bubbles when progs were taking place

is way too fucking damn high

[sterile geyser]

why are SLOW mechanics so hard for people lol

[sterile geyser]

i think people forget in air force adds phase that their mantra spots are still safe spots

or any missles phase really

[scenic patrol]

I don't go into my Mantra spot unless there's Mantra

Spinning the boss seems like a good way to reduce rDPS

[sterile geyser]

i use it for reference. (OT)

will just stand on one of the melee's mantra spots

[true lark]

materia is cheap as heck

[hybrid rapids]

depends on server 😫

i think famfrit or lich has some crazy prices on materia

[paper torrent]

it depends on if someone wants to monopoloize that shit

some dude on faerie bought all the crit materia

and then priced it at like 60k or some stupid

or was it like 70k

[hybrid rapids]

wait, kiri might be really rich in-game

i meant 100k might be 1 gil to him

each DH V around 15k here

tank accessories penta meld cost around 3~4 stacks

3 stacks = roughly 4,455,000 Gils

60k is real crazy tho

[sterile geyser]

i opened 1500 anemos lockboxes, i got all the materia I needed lol

[pseudo yoke]

hey any tank main here? im using ilevel 360 tomes now thinking of getting 350 anemos for that extra 3 meld is it worth it?

[sterile geyser]

i wouldn't say so, no.

i'd use anemos over carborandum obviously, but if youve already got 360 i wouldnt bother replacing

as a tank your average ilvl is already low enough due to crafted accessories lol

[split falcon]

355 w/ 5 materia can beat out certain 360 pieces however.

[sterile geyser]

ah yeah that might be worth

[steady pebble]

afaik, for tanks no

[pseudo yoke]

i got the rest with the anemos. cause of the 5 materia

[split falcon]

120 extra sub stat can definitely beat out dead stats on 360 pieces.

[steady pebble]

355 doesn't beat out 360

[split falcon]

it depends on the pieces you’re comparing 100%

and what tank you play

[sterile geyser]

yeah. for pld i dont think its worth

[pseudo yoke]

i just got back from a long break

[split falcon]

again, depends on the sub stats of the gear. Like if you have some trash tenacity direct hit 360 gear on WAR but can replace it with a 355 crit det piece, do that, no contest

[pseudo yoke]

oohhh

[sterile geyser]

pld has tenacity on everything except byakko / crafted

=[

[split falcon]

Those 5 ilvls can be pretty easily outweighed by 120 extra substat of your choosing on the 355 pieces

[sterile geyser]

and byakko has skill speed which is arguably even worse than tenacity

[split falcon]

Byakko weapons are pretty useless now that we have Anemos

[sterile geyser]

yup

was nice at the time tho, easy fight easy weapon upgrade

especially since i didnt have a 340 when that came out

[split falcon]

I ran crafted weapon for a while on my main job since the byakko one was pretty trash

[sterile geyser]

it had crit on it so I was fine with it

lol

[scenic patrol]

Lexine you cannot get DH on any tank gear naturally

Just saying

Anyhow Anemos very rarely beats out tome pieces

And it will not beat out pieces that are part of your BiS

Ever

Like Tome chest for tanks

[split falcon]

yeah just an example of substat weights

and bis is 370 so yeah, kinda goes without saying

But compared to 360 gear anemos is totally viable

[scenic patrol]

no, I meant compared to the 360 chest piece for tanks

no fucking way in hell is there something that is better than this while having lower ilv

[split falcon]

that’s why I specifically said

Depending on the substat of the piece you’re comparing it to

Rather than “anemos always beats out 360”

[scenic patrol]

it is viable, I am just continuing on the discussion

[split falcon]

sure

[paper torrent]

the thing is

eureka timesink

so unless you're doing it for glams anyway

it only gets marignal use in some places

it's great for gearing alts

for the 350 anemos to 360 tome comparison it's a good way to enter into raids gear ready

rather than have that be what you stick with forever in progs

[lyric dawn]

What is 2nd easiest class after RDM?

MCH?

[wet stag]

Lol no

Mch is regarded by a lot of people as one of the hardest job to play

[hybrid rapids]

if you only play the class by clicking button

MCH and BRD is easiest

MCH and BRD are easy to play but hard on high ceiling

[lyric dawn]

Hmm, well I saw my static mate try MCH he pulled way high above me and so nice he was going pew pew pew pew

[hybrid rapids]

unless you talking about easiest job to play at high ceiling level?

[lyric dawn]

^^

[hybrid rapids]

healer or tank

XD

[lyric dawn]

XD

Tried tank, but noped the fuck out of it

[hybrid rapids]

tank you do aggro management + prepositioning, then braindead rotation and mitigations

healer you keep people alive while doing braindead rotation

[lyric dawn]

I usually let people die xD

[hybrid rapids]

if DPS, RDM is easiest on high ceiling

[lyric dawn]

After RDM?

[hybrid rapids]

BLM seems easy but the positioning is hard if you don't understand the fight enough

[lyric dawn]

Ye it plays more like a turret based I think i heard

[split falcon]

Difficulty is 100% subjective

[hybrid rapids]

yea, i can't think of any easy DPS job after RDM

[lyric dawn]

Welp, I guess no pew pew guns for me

[hybrid rapids]

tiff help

[unique wolf]

samurai

[lyric dawn]

NOPE

Plus one of our members in static takes SAM so ye

[split falcon]

Why would you ever wanna play mch with a Sam in the party

[unique wolf]

i mean at this point all of the objectively easiest jobs have been laid out for you

[lyric dawn]

Hmhm

[unique wolf]

just pick a job and use your brain

[lyric dawn]

What if I got no brain?

[wet stag]

It's Reddit, tiff

[split falcon]

Just try out classes and do research on what playstyle you wanna go with

[wet stag]

They'd be lucky to have one

[lyric dawn]

Or I am brain dead 🤔

@wet stag thanks

[wet stag]

Np

[boreal edge]

sam is 2nd easiest after rdm yes

[lucid karma]

regardless of how hard/easy the classes can be, you won't know if you like any until you actually play them

[thorn elm]

How hard / expsenive is to get a house?

[steady pebble]

depends on your server

[hybrid rapids]

this topic is legit

[steady pebble]

you need to find an open plot

[boreal edge]

@thorn elm finding plot is harder than getting its price

[steady pebble]

house price is dependant on the size

[boreal edge]

[hybrid rapids]

as end game

housing cost me most gils

[steady pebble]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/housing_land/

[hybrid rapids]

on furniture

[steady pebble]

has the prices for all of the plots

But lowest you'll be able to pay is 1.4mil

[thorn elm]

How do plots become open?

[lucid karma]

when no one owns it

either because they moved away, or they got banned/auto demolish

or no one bought it in the first place

[steady pebble]

or new wards

but new wards is not that common

what server are you on, Red?

[thorn elm]

Tonberry

[hybrid rapids]

😖

[steady pebble]

hrm, probably not going to be able to find an open plot then

[hybrid rapids]

get an apartment instead....

[lucid karma]

haha you just missed seaside medium house in shirogane a week ago

it got auto demolished

[hybrid rapids]

he probably don't have that much gil

[thorn elm]

400k

[lucid karma]

anyway there are indeed small plots open in tonberry

[thorn elm]

In 4 days of playing

[hybrid rapids]

okay, none

focus on earning gil first

[lucid karma]

just play the game at this point

I don't think you can even buy even if you have gil

[thorn elm]

But i want a house 😦

[hybrid rapids]

the actual thing that is expensive isn't the house itself

but the funiture

[lucid karma]

needed to be at certain rank in GC to buy house

[steady pebble]

housing is a huge gil sink

[hybrid rapids]

you can have apartment

[stable basin]

there's going to be a small plot open in a certain spot on siren when i wake up tomorrow, i'm pretty sure. not that there aren't plenty of those sprinkled around siren

but this particular small plot is going to make me very sad when I see its availability

[steady pebble]

Apartments can do a lot of the functions that housing can

[hybrid rapids]

^

[steady pebble]

just a little bit smaller room to work with for decorations

[lucid karma]

he said 4 days of playing

you need second lieutenant in GC to own apartment/plot

unless rule changed, or he already reached that rank, I don't think he can buy any

[hybrid rapids]

right, forgot this

[steady pebble]

He can't yet, no but that doesn't really change my point

in that apartments do much of what a personal house can do

[thorn elm]

Ive been working on my GC while wiating on stupid MSQ ques

[lucid karma]

another option is join an FC with housing

and use private chamber

it's like apartment but cheaper and tied to the FC

[thorn elm]

First class alrge lpots are 50m

[steady pebble]

personally would still go with an apartment

[thorn elm]

😦

[steady pebble]

don't lose an apartment if you get kicked out or decide to leave an fc

[paper torrent]

Larges

And worrying about price rather than avalibility

Elegigglw

[thorn elm]

Bigger is better

RIght?

[paper torrent]

I mean if you can find one sure

Some people do like meds over larges

Because some people think you can't put enough into a large

[thorn elm]

Can i buy direct from other players?

[unreal lance]

No

[lucid karma]

nope

[steady pebble]

they actually made that harder to do somewhat recently

by adding a random timer to plots that are vacated

[thorn elm]

So i can see vacated plots and then after a random time you can buy them?

[steady pebble]

mhm

[hybrid rapids]

for in-depth job guide you can join The balance discord

mentors will be helpful

https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3

yes

register yourself SMN role

and seeking advice from SMN mentor there

i know 2 opener as a SMN

45 seconds and 60 seconds

and it change depends on fight and uptime given on opener

[lyric kelp]

If you do the opener right the 2nd dwt won't be up if you just ruin ii without clipping hard

[zinc vortex]

^

dwt wont be up for another gcd so you fill with a ruin 3

given you deathflare after the 2nd ruin 3

[brave maple]

Silly question for PLD mains

I know you basically do Goring Blade -> 2x RA -> Goring Blade until Req is off CD then do you Holy Spirit thing

but should Req be held until you can refresh Goring?

[fading shoal]

so what should i get my squadron to get for me once i've gotten all crafters and gatherers to 70?

[grizzled seal]

redscrips or materia

I'd say

[hybrid rapids]

!action Goring Blade

[storm frost]

**Goring Blade** : lvl 54 Paladin (2.5 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Riot Blade
Combo Potency: 250
Combo Bonus: Damage over time
Potency: 60
Duration: 21s

[hybrid rapids]

that's a large chunk of DoT

@brave maple if the window is close, i would refresh goring yes

unless the target going down sooner

the DoT can't eat a full

[brave maple]

!action Requeiscat

[storm frost]

**Requiescat** : lvl 68 Paladin (60 second cooldown)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 350. Potency decreases as own MP decreases.
Additional Effect: Increases attack magic and healing magic potency by 20% if current MP is at 80% or higher
Duration: 12s

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[brave maple]

Req lasts for 12s thats 3-4 DoT ticks for 60 pot = 180-240 potency lost if no refresh...

[fading shoal]

I meant from the weekly missions .-.

[steady pebble]

what buffs do your fc run?

cos i would probably choose based around that

[dull radish]

I like the gear wear and food duration buffs for raiding, since my FC usually runs heat of battle and reduced rates for newbies

[paper torrent]

You can also use the 10% exp manuals with heat of battle

[steady pebble]

pretty sure squadron manuals overwrite similar FC buffs

[paper torrent]

No those stack, I've done it while leveling sch

[lyric summit]

!item Squadron Battle Manual

[storm frost]

**Squadron Battle Manual** : Other

*Grand Company-issue literature outlining basic combat techniques.

Increases EXP earned by defeating enemies in the field.
EXP Bonus: +15% Duration: 120m
Overwrites company actions with similar effects.*

[paper torrent]

We're talking about the 10 percent ones from adv. Squads right?

Those stack

[steady pebble]

talking about the ones vis just linked

[lyric summit]

it won't hide your fc exp buff (probably) but you'll have +15% and not +25% 🤷

[lucid karma]

Increases EXP earned by defeating enemies in the field

does that mean it doesn't work in duty instance?

[stable basin]

I'm pretty sure it works in duty

It's actually more surprising that FC buffs work in duty

Since whilst on the dutyserver you are "not enlisted in a free company"

Hmm, apparently sc/casual statics that start savage late do not use the usual recruitment communities on xiv like raiding guilds did in wow (except maybe PF)

Still not seeing any in xivrecruitment or in two raid recruitment discords

[dull radish]

have you put up a post looking for a group

instead of just looking around for one "looking for you"?

[wheat garnet]

Well FC buffs like the food boost wouldn't be much use outside of instances

[stable basin]

also yay cleared o5s

[hybrid rapids]

gratz

[paper torrent]

see told you you could do it

[zinc vortex]

congrats

[wet stag]

just did a 4 rdm run of o5s

👌

[paper torrent]

OOOF

i ask

why

do you hate your parse?

[wet stag]

my what

3.6k lul

[zinc vortex]

[sullen sable]

Holy fuck lmao

[zinc vortex]

ah its non-standard party comp

just noticed the 2 warriors

[grizzled seal]

3+ of the same dps class is non standard aswell

[zinc vortex]

til

[paper torrent]

I was lied to

[opaque temple]

The eureka meta coming to pf

[hybrid rapids]

@hexed jay it's better to continue at here

your job?

[hexed jay]

thx :D

smn/brd

[hybrid rapids]

okay

you just can do like this

all the way up

then north 4 DPS in

[hexed jay]

yeah, but do i have to stand there before he casts starstrafe or when he casts forsaken? 😃

[hybrid rapids]

after he cast forsaken

not during

you want to get that heal up

[hexed jay]

yeah right, just wasnt sure about it

[hybrid rapids]

or you probably die halfway

after forsaken -> get heal -> standby your location

ranger / caster usually is west or east

then do like graph

all the way up

after 4 AoEs

stands in circle

[hexed jay]

yeah

and after this we get the stack

[hybrid rapids]

don't let the AoE cover the circle

yup

after stack

back to center for heal

then mitigate next light judgment

addle for example

[dull radish]

Also make sure your starstrafe AoE are very much on the edge and won't cover healer/tank tower either

Have seen that be an issue before

[hybrid rapids]

yea it happened hahaha

[hexed jay]

xD i see this in my future, but nothing to hard to learn imo 😃 thx alot guys

[hybrid rapids]

good luck !

[pure yoke]

hi

[dull radish]

Heya <3

[pure yoke]

whatcha up to?

[dull radish]

On the long commute on my way back home from work, not too much further <3 how about you?

[pure yoke]

just sitting on front of my pc

looking at some logs

:L

[dull radish]

Oh yeah? Anything of note?

[pure yoke]

it's mainly Guardian stuff

Guardian is kinda aids to do

because there is two random patterns to watch out

you want Dad and Dad

[dull radish]

Yeahhh

Most we've really planned for so far is just dad first, haven't really planned anything out as far as add order after that

Some point maybe, but probably gonna do a bit of work on 8 this week before wrapping back around working on the other fights again

Now that folks are finally getting mostly everything they need

[pure yoke]

yeah

I just got all of my bis yesterday

[dull radish]

I got "a" BiS yesterday too

Still need another weave for more of what I really wanna be running though

[pure yoke]

https://puu.sh/zVP5T/1b8020fe42.png

me right now

[dull radish]

I should probably meld and try out max ss now that I have all the pieces for it, just to have a bit of fun with it

But dropping some and stacking more crit is so lovely

[scenic patrol]

https://clips.twitch.tv/LitigiousGracefulPuffinFrankerZ

Xeno trash talking people he doesn't even know

and his co tank apparently

[paper torrent]

I can't take ffxiv streamers seriously

i dunno why i think it's just MMO streamers in general i really don't care for

[scenic patrol]

the guy isn't even on The Balance

and he talks shit

[grizzled seal]

he isn't really wrong tho

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet stag]

But

He is tho

[pure yoke]

he isn't wrong

[wet stag]

Ye people who do math can't play well

100%

Ye

[paper torrent]

Didn't he say it was "most" ppl though

[grizzled seal]

Nah, more like majority doing bad dps

[ripe vessel]

yes

which isnt wrong

[wet stag]

Well

Ok what's his definition of "good dps" anyway

Purple?

Orange?

[ripe vessel]

[wet stag]

By fuckin definition most people aren't gonna have good dps

[scenic patrol]

I don't know of a single tank mentor who is not gold

[grizzled seal]

97%+ id say

[scenic patrol]

or orange

[wet stag]

Emiin

Kek

[scenic patrol]

Emiin is pugging, the poor dude

[wet stag]

Or the or orange didn't show

[paper torrent]

WHEEZEEE got em

[wet stag]

I know

Yeah like ofc most people can't get good dps

[grizzled seal]

You can still get orange in pugs

[wet stag]

Okay

I know

But tbh the main thing that pisses me off isn't even that he's shit talking the balance

I don't rly give a shit about that

Him saying that drk is useless is what pisses me off

[scenic patrol]

the dude is straight up wrong about DRK kit in regards to tank busters

[wet stag]

Yeah

Let's count the fuckin cooldowns

[scenic patrol]

compare them one by one instead of as a whole

of course Vengeance is better than Shadow Wall, like no shit

DM and RI are about equal

with RI being a bit niche this tier

and ToB is nice

but it doesn't compare to TBN by a mile

[split falcon]

RI will always be better than DM because RI has uses outside of just as a Cooldown because of how Shake it Off functions.

[wet stag]

Um

What?

Sio isn't that helpful

[split falcon]

hahahahahaha

[wet stag]

And its on a 2 min cooldown

Compared to dm's 1 min

[paper torrent]

SIO is super helpful

[torn kindle]

Getting an extra thicc SiO shield by consuming all your buffs
👌 😩 💦 💯

[paper torrent]

especially in casuals

[split falcon]

The point is that DM vs RI is that RI has uses outside of what's just written on the tooltip, while in physical fights DM has no use whatsoever

[wet stag]

But there are no pure physical fights this tier

[paper torrent]

raw + SIO in o6s is super helpful

[split falcon]

I'm not saying that all his points are valid, but I'm saying when comparing the two abilities RI can be used in magical fights while DM cannot be used in physical fights

and o5s

for head on

I think it's up for every head on actually

[paper torrent]

yeah it is

[wet stag]

Ok you really think the devs are gonna implement bc a full physical fight

Nah man

[paper torrent]

head on is actually up every HG

[wet stag]

Not gonna happen

[split falcon]

and i cannot understate how fucking good SiO is in Kefaust for Light of Judgement

Well we have a 100% magical fight

and O7S is almost entirely physical

[paper torrent]

o6s LUL

[scenic patrol]

O6S is the best DRK fight

[wet stag]

!action shake it off

[storm frost]

**Shake It Off** : lvl 68 Warrior (90 second cooldown)

Creates a barrier around self and all nearby party members that absorbs damage totaling 8% of maximum HP.
Dispels Thrill of Battle, Inner Beast, Vengeance, and Raw Intuition, increasing damage absorbed by 4% for each effect removed.
Duration: 15s

[wet stag]

Yes

[paper torrent]

!action Raw intution

[storm frost]

**Raw Intuition** : lvl 56 Warrior (90 second cooldown)

Parries all physical attacks taken from the front. All attacks taken from the flank or rear will result in critical damage.
Duration: 20s

No match found. Closest possible match displayed.

[split falcon]

it's also 90 seconds not 120

[wet stag]

3200 shield for light of judgement

On mages

[paper torrent]

that's more than a full vit meld right side isn't it?

[wet stag]

Is it?

[paper torrent]

that seems pretty powerful

[split falcon]

Mages have higher magic defense, it's more for ranged--mch and brds usually drop lower for that reason

it is very powerful

[scenic patrol]

SiO is not that powerful compared to Veil

[wet stag]

Alright I concede that shake is useful

[split falcon]

Yeah, but the point is it's still good in comparison to DM being a dead cooldown in physical fights

[wet stag]

It's still not that useful

THEYRE NOT GONNA MAKE A PHYSICAL FIGHT

[scenic patrol]

Still, Xeno's points in regards to self mitigation are garbage

[split falcon]

I'm not defending Xeno

[wet stag]

Ever

[scenic patrol]

He compared tank CDs by counting them

[split falcon]

They made a 100% magical fight

[scenic patrol]

Instead of comparing strength and cool downs

[split falcon]

O7s is almost entirely physical

[wet stag]

Dm is up for a lot of diffractives

[split falcon]

IDEK what you'd use DM for in O7S

[torn kindle]

A9S was heavily physical.

[split falcon]

other than raidwide

[scenic patrol]

AOE is magic and there is an AOE spam there

[split falcon]

during biblio

[wet stag]

You're implying that mitigating raidwides isn't useful

[split falcon]

"other than raidwide"

[hybrid rapids]

[scenic patrol]

During Biblio is the best time to DM

[hybrid rapids]

what y'all up to?

[torn kindle]

Don't need shields if it doesn't one-shot them. points to head

[split falcon]

You can't say "ecks dee never gonna be a physical fight" when the magic equivalent exists and a majority of damage in some fights right now is physical

[wet stag]

Yes I can, because the "100% physical cooldown" still has a use in a 100% magic fight, like you've pointed out

[paper torrent]

@hybrid rapids a streamer said DRK was garbage in terms of mitigation, comparing the amount rather than "effectiveness"

[split falcon]

Yeah

[paper torrent]

Thus, this convo was born

[wet stag]

Do you really think the devs are that stupid?

[torn kindle]

I mean

[hybrid rapids]

[split falcon]

Yes.

[torn kindle]

diadem happened

and LoV

[hybrid rapids]

lmao

[split falcon]

They've done stupider shit before

[wet stag]

They're not gonna make a fight where a CoolDown is uselss

[split falcon]

🤔

[paper torrent]

they literally did though, o6s

[torn kindle]

Doesn't A9S have no magic damage?

[wet stag]

Raw still has use in shake

[torn kindle]

or does past expac not count?

[paper torrent]

unless you concede that shake with Raw

[hybrid rapids]

it's okay, streamer loves to create controversially topic

[paper torrent]

okay fine

[wet stag]

I did

[hybrid rapids]

and discussion is always welcome

[wet stag]

Lmao

[scenic patrol]

That's when PLD was garbage

[split falcon]

My point is that RI will beat out DM because it has uses beyond just as a regular cooldown, which is a valid point. DM is still fucking incredible, mind, but in primarily physical fights it's pretty weak.

[scenic patrol]

What I dislike about the current situation is that it turns people away from a job is that is perfectly playable and doesn't hold groups back

The only must have tank is PLD

[split falcon]

Agreed

[paper torrent]

people don't like DRK just because of DM

it's a mixture of reasons.

[scenic patrol]

PLD is too STRONK

[paper torrent]

DPS is one of them.

[split falcon]

Yeah

[torn kindle]

Solution: make all damage Darkness. /s

[split falcon]

It's just one of the main points someone brought up here was that RI and DM are equal

[wet stag]

Personally, I think the opposite, sure RI has use in SIO in 100% magic fights while dm would be useless in 100% phys fights

[paper torrent]

PLD is busted af, and 4.0 PLD should not have survived

[wet stag]

But they're not gonna make a 100% phys fight

[paper torrent]

as long as it has, that shit was legit retarded

[wet stag]

I can say that with 99% confidence

[hybrid rapids]

man, i wanted to cry when someone said DRK has least mitigation and such

[split falcon]

But they've already made fights where it's primarily magic damage, and SiO exists

*primarily phys damage

[wet stag]

But it's not like ri is useless

[pure yoke]

Another note about Warrior

[split falcon]

RI is amazing

[hybrid rapids]

you have literally one of the best shield in-game with 15 seconds CD

[pure yoke]

Warrior in a magical pure fight doesn't really hamper them

at all

[hybrid rapids]

all healers love DRK

[pure yoke]

cooldown wise

[split falcon]

WAR is very strong cooldowns wise

[wet stag]

Because ri can still be used on shake

Yeah

We've established that

[hybrid rapids]

warrior meta is because shake it off and that 1% extra rdps

which is negligible

[torn kindle]

Is Roar in O1S physical or magical?

[hybrid rapids]

compared to the whole picture

[wet stag]

Magic

[scenic patrol]

If busters were more frequent in magic fights though?

[pure yoke]

@hybrid rapids also Holmgang

[split falcon]

magical

[hybrid rapids]

yes

holmgang is great

[paper torrent]

vegence is now a universal cooldown

[hybrid rapids]

low CD

[pure yoke]

like

[paper torrent]

LITERALLY the only mitigation is raw

[wet stag]

Eh whatever

[hybrid rapids]

but usage of it, is pretty much fixed in a fight

nowadays

[wet stag]

Let's agree to disagree

[hybrid rapids]

it isn't hard to heal living dead as well tbh

[pure yoke]

it's not

[hybrid rapids]

even without WHM

[pure yoke]

but you get less LD usage

in a fight overall

[hybrid rapids]

people just lazy

true

[split falcon]

DRK also suffers from some really bad cooldown shit--Shadow Wall has a lower mitigation % than Sentinel with the same timer, and Vengeance has the same mitigation % with 55 potency counterattacks during the duration on top of that

[pure yoke]

you can use Holmgang even for mechanics that may not necessarily need it

but will help out the healers

[hybrid rapids]

but TBH overall

[split falcon]

I love DRK, mind you.

[hybrid rapids]

does help the healers as well

[scenic patrol]

DRK has TBN to cover for the rest of the kit

[hybrid rapids]

especially hyperdrive

[scenic patrol]

So it's not that bad

[pure yoke]

and Ultimate Embraces

[wet stag]

Yoshi p said that they design a fight around the CD timers

[hybrid rapids]

it's possible to completely neglect the DoT

[paper torrent]

@split falcon opinions on DA bloodspiller being equal to DA syphon or DA SE

i'm curious to see what you think of it

[scenic patrol]

Without TBN DRK would be complete and utter shit

[hybrid rapids]

so ended up the TBH vs holmgang usage

[wet stag]

So as long as you plan your fuckin cooldowns

[hybrid rapids]

the difference isn't huge

[wet stag]

Everything will be fine

[split falcon]

what do you mean equal, exactly

equal potency gain?

[hybrid rapids]

rdps and uptime for healers

[split falcon]

TBN is 100% one of the best things about DRK

[scenic patrol]

It is

That and Blood Weapon

[paper torrent]

yeah equal potency gain

[scenic patrol]

Makes the job really fun

[paper torrent]

also just potency in general

for BS anyway

[scenic patrol]

People who think they should DA every BS

[split falcon]

it is currently equal potency gain right now isn't it? +140?

[scenic patrol]

[wet stag]

Yeah

[scenic patrol]

Only thing you have high priority to DA is C&S

[paper torrent]

Yeah

[scenic patrol]

With higher Crit chance you might want to DA SE and BS more

But it's not significant enough

[paper torrent]

I feel like BS hits like a fucking wet noodle and feels shit to use, i was hoping making it a da prioerty would change that, but i was just curious to see your thoughts on it

[wet stag]

Nah I don't think they need to make bs a da priority

[scenic patrol]

I'd prefer to not add DA priority for BS

[split falcon]

Idm it personally, I like the fact that DA on GCDs is just a flat 140 potency gain

makes my small brain math easier

[scenic patrol]

Anyhow patch 4.3 might see DRK back into speed comps

It just needs a nudge

And it's meta

[paper torrent]

hmmm i'm defintely in the unpopular group then, thanks

i think it's mostly my inner WAR main talking

[split falcon]

i couldn't give a singular fuck about meta comp, but i would like to see the job get some changes considering the godlike state war and pld are in rn

[paper torrent]

even though i techincally started DRK first

[scenic patrol]

Paladin is the God tank of tanking

[hybrid rapids]

i only play DRK tank 😏

[split falcon]

I think my biggest thing is that I don't want DRK to really become an uber bursty class like WAR

[scenic patrol]

And until they gut the utility, it won't change

[split falcon]

I play them both, and I love them both

[scenic patrol]

I don't want DRK to be bursty

[wet stag]

Even pld is more bursty than drk lul

[split falcon]

But DRK is more like gradual hills vs WAR's mountains

[scenic patrol]

It's more about consistent dps

[pure yoke]

PLD is

not burst

[wet stag]

Since they have req phase

[pure yoke]

if you actually look at PLD damage curve

[torn kindle]

I'd love DRK to be the tank for magical dps by giving a magic resist down or something.

[wet stag]

Yeah I'm just saying it's more bursty than drk

[pure yoke]

it's pretty much a near flatline

[wet stag]

Also that sounds wrong but idk where to find the graph

[scenic patrol]

Just make traited Delirium

Delirium feels like shit anyways

[split falcon]

Resist down locked behind classes gives me conniptions

I want disembowel G O N E

[wet stag]

Or

[split falcon]

get that shit out of here

[wet stag]

Or

Give brd and mch piercing down

As well

[scenic patrol]

Resist down in general should be gone

[split falcon]

i hate it so much

[wet stag]

Fixed

[scenic patrol]

If they release a blunt based tank in 5.0

[pure yoke]

resist down is supposed to exist as a rotational check

[scenic patrol]

It'll feel like shit not running it with a Monk

[pure yoke]

atleast for blunt and slash

[torn kindle]

"It's okay for melee to have 100% resist down uptime but magic having that wouldn't be fair!" -SE probably /s

[wet stag]

Ok I disagree that resist down shouldn't exist

I think they should just give it to all of them

Yeah but casters deal more damage naturally

[split falcon]

the problem with doing that is that where the fuck are you gonna put it on brd and mch, it'll feel like another "hot shot" where it's basically a dead GCD that isn't interesting or intuitive

[wet stag]

Combine it with something

Don't add a gcd, add an effect to an existing gcd

[torn kindle]

Trait for Straight shot.

or add it to iron jaws.

[pure yoke]

it would be pointless if brd/mch resist down had 0 opportunity cost

[split falcon]

But if you're gonna add it to an ability they use all the time anyway, what's the point of even having the resist down in the game, it doesn't add anything

[pure yoke]

might as well give you 5% damage

[torn kindle]

^^

[pure yoke]

it adds for monk

[wet stag]

Well yeah, but I'd like to keep some consistency with previous expansions

[torn kindle]

I just don't know why they can't just make it a second damage up.

[scenic patrol]

Just have Disembowel buff your damage by 5%

[wet stag]

So if/when they add variable ilvl sync

[scenic patrol]

Like Twin Snakes

[wet stag]

Oh yeah that's true

[split falcon]

i just think mch/brd shouldn't function as piercing damage

[torn kindle]

"shooty damage"

[split falcon]

i don't think drg pDPS should get nerfed, i think the Raidwide hit would be enough if piercing didn't affect ranged

[pure yoke]

because piercing exist tarfet to target

[split falcon]

ranged do too much damage right now anyway

[pure yoke]

and doesn't affect dots

[scenic patrol]

Also get rid of party bonuses

It only exists to cuck tanks

[split falcon]

i forget party bonuses exist

[scenic patrol]

You wouldn't if you pugged

[split falcon]

i do pug

not often

but i do it on my main and my alt

[scenic patrol]

Not seeing MNK/SAM/DRG in your party

3% DPS just gone

[split falcon]

so have you met this class

called mch

and brd

and not having a drg or a nin in the party

[scenic patrol]

They provide dex bonus for themselves

[paper torrent]

Actually yeah Lexine

listening to you talk about WAR vs DRK

[split falcon]

disembowel, BL, trick attack for every damn wildfire, just all gone

[pure yoke]

hey you know what a real drg do?

somehow drop disembowel

[paper torrent]

that makes a lot of sense to me, I don't think i would like a burst window DRK

[pure yoke]

litany 30 sec late

[torn kindle]

I had a drg in my hells' lid never use the 4/5th combo

and refresh botd with the aoe combo

[scenic patrol]

I have seen a DRK log with no Blood Weapon usage

[torn kindle]

on single target

[split falcon]

i like how drk plays atm, it just suffers from a few design flaws--I understand why people think it's simplified or boring or easy to play

[scenic patrol]

I always disliked jobs that had too many GCDs

Tbh

So DRK is fine for me

[paper torrent]

I think the problem is WAR burst is more appealing

[split falcon]

oh yeah

[paper torrent]

it's much more "WEW LADDIE" feeling

[split falcon]

WAR also feels very satisfying

yeah

[torn kindle]

Once you unga bunga you never go back

[scenic patrol]

I want to see how I parse with DRK rn

[paper torrent]

I feel like DRK rotation is very rythmatic

[scenic patrol]

But I can't do that without slashing

[paper torrent]

it's like a dance you do, it feels like a motion

[split falcon]

even if the balance is a little crazy atm i'm grateful that all of the tanks play relatively different from one another

[paper torrent]

The balance could be WAY worse.

we could have HW PLD.

[torn kindle]

LUL

[scenic patrol]

Yeah

[wet stag]

You press a button and do the same attack 5 times 👀

[pure yoke]

it could be HW PLD

[wet stag]

I'm kidding

[torn kindle]

Running out of tp 3 minutes in

[split falcon]

also i fucking love bloodspiller's animation, i want to spin using the momentum of a bigass sword for the rest of my life

[scenic patrol]

[split falcon]

thank you i don't have nitro

[torn kindle]

It was fun to torture PLDs in HW by giving them Arrow

[scenic patrol]

[pure yoke]

on A12S

PLD literally had to be babysat by the Warrior

because they need Warrior's cooldowns

[scenic patrol]

Wew lad

[paper torrent]

Bring back Scrouge's animation

fuck the DoT

i don't carea bout it

just give me back scourge

[split falcon]

i love that sound effect it had

[torn kindle]

I'm reminded of the NEST video on A9S

[split falcon]

the VROOOOOOM lightsaber

[torn kindle]

"NOOO MUH TP"

[scenic patrol]

Just make Scourge a 0GCD that costs blood

[paper torrent]

lord knows we could use more blood dumps

LIterally delerium and BS

WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE THE GUAGE

[torn kindle]

I think DRG would want their pole dance move before DRK gets their scourge.

[wet stag]

Actually

[pure yoke]

but

[wet stag]

After playing war

[pure yoke]

you aren't overcapping on gauge

[wet stag]

I don't want more blood dumps

I enjoy the simplicity of having just a 50 blood cut

Because you need to manage blood and mp at the same time

[split falcon]

i want grenado shot animation back

[wet stag]

Well blood isn't really managing

But mp

[scenic patrol]

But Faye, unlike War, we have zero benefit for having high blood

[wet stag]

Yeah?

[torn kindle]

Grenado > Split Shot or whatever the cone aoe is called

[scenic patrol]

So gauge management is so easy

[wet stag]

Yeah

[split falcon]

fucking throw a grenade and shoot it, boom

[wet stag]

I know blood management is almost unexistent

Non existent

[scenic patrol]

Just don't cap

[torn kindle]

unexistent 🤔

[wet stag]

Exactly

[scenic patrol]

Is the management

[wet stag]

But I'd hate to have war management + mp management

[split falcon]

mana shift the war

[scenic patrol]

True

[torn kindle]

👀

[wet stag]

Is it gonna happen in 5.0? Yeah ofc

[torn kindle]

not mana shifting the PLD for another Holy Spirit.

[wet stag]

Id be surprised if they didn't have a cheaper blood dump

[scenic patrol]

Man, wonder how weird it would be to have Dark Side not blocking refresh effects

[wet stag]

Very

I'm too used to it

WHY THE FUCK AM I CAPPED

[torn kindle]

give BLM mp regen in AF

[wet stag]

"I used Mana shift lul"

[torn kindle]

I want moar F4s

[scenic patrol]

Yelling at the Bard to refresh you earlier

[wet stag]

Sing refresh bitch

[paper torrent]

"GIVE ME TP"

[split falcon]

well to be fair they actually took mp "management" away from tp classes this expac

[torn kindle]

I remember when people theorycrafted the Media Tour build and someone thought of a 9 or 10 F4 opener that used Lucid Dreaming.

[paper torrent]

-me in dungeons as PLD, and then i remeber why i don't play PLD anymore in dungeons

[split falcon]

remember when you could get an extra F4 by being a lala

good times

[torn kindle]

\o/

[scenic patrol]

PLD is the worst dungeon tank, best raid tank

It's fair

[torn kindle]

Meanwhile
WHM is the king of dungeons

[split falcon]

war best dungeon tank and best raid tank

[wet stag]

Drk is the other way around

[split falcon]

very fair

[paper torrent]

Hila HAHA

[torn kindle]

who knew that having Hallowed on every pull is good?

[paper torrent]

ah... lalas.

[scenic patrol]

DRK used to be king of dungeons

[paper torrent]

god bless holy

[wet stag]

Drk best dungeon tank