endgame-lounge

[boreal edge]

you gotta stop the thinking of doing healer combined 97%

in god kefka

at least not in 1st forsaken

[topaz wolf]

how much is the dmg down from trine in god? any1 know? is it significant or negligible

[boreal edge]

should be close to 25%

thats like be revived on weakness for 30 secs

[hybrid rapids]

wait awhile

let me check my log

@topaz wolf Auto Attack from a WAR getting hit by trine

Min 1,482 Max 2,658 Average 2,202

[boreal edge]

so about 33%

even worse

[hybrid rapids]

pretty significantly i would say

[topaz wolf]

i mean even in o6s on our logs the min from the max and the average have discrepancies

[hybrid rapids]

i'm taking the average with min

that's close to 1k different

[topaz wolf]

yeah same with us on o6s

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/JcqK9b3dTWHvG8Nz#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=1

[hybrid rapids]

how about taking fell cleave?

he casted once fell cleave after getting hit by trine

compared to fell cleave from your friend

minimum is 9,268 vs 6,623

since the auto attack is kinda similar

i would assume the STR is close

[topaz wolf]

mmhmmm okay that seems significant then, weird cause i remember getting a dmg down once and barely getting affected

not from trine

just a random mech

[hybrid rapids]

failed the circle

would cause damage down as well

and also trine

general advice...don't get hit by trine...

maybe it's possible to completely ignore it

if you have an adlo crit + mana wall?

idk

let me ask balance

this is interesting

[topaz wolf]

yeah i ran it once today and got curious because of the negligible difference dmg down had on me once

from a mech that wasnt trine

[hybrid rapids]

i've it cleared first time with half of the group got hit by trine

but it was very tight

like 1 second before enrage

[prime pivot]

I've cleared it after enrage was cast

[topaz wolf]

enrage LUL

[prime pivot]

It was a weekly meme kill that went horribly wrong

[pure yoke]

[prime pivot]

https://streamable.com/po2eo

10 deaths that run

[pure yoke]

I remember

when one death meant enrage

in early prog

[prime pivot]

I just like it when people say the dps checks are too hard

[pure yoke]

well

savage/tome weapons made the dps check a joke now

even with memes

[prime pivot]

You will still get bads saying that they are too tight

[pure yoke]

I haven't heard much about dps checks these days

it's mainly the first few weeks

or bads

I guess they aren't mutually exclusive

[hybrid rapids]

hi mug

[prime pivot]

It's amazing how good a wall o7s was for bads

[hybrid rapids]

joined to help a completion yesterday

[pure yoke]

such power

[hybrid rapids]

with brd on 3.5k DPS kefka

0 mistake and death

THE BADS BREAK THROUGH THE WALLLL

with carried

[pure yoke]

you can carry godka dps now

as long as the dps knows how to do mad heads

that is all they need to do

[prime pivot]

But they need to be carried every week

[hybrid rapids]

i can't with multiple grey

and mistakes

[pure yoke]

well

[hybrid rapids]

the bard never stacks for my cure III

[pure yoke]

I guess Mad Heads anre 2nd Forsaken

[hybrid rapids]

have to use an extra cure II

[pure yoke]

otherwise, they can eat all the trines they want

or die to future/past

[hybrid rapids]

there was 4 grey, 2 green, 2 purple in that fight

grey power too strong

[pure yoke]

oh Tsun

I beat that game

[hybrid rapids]

grats

worth the price?

[pure yoke]

idk

what is 60 to you?

[hybrid rapids]

dollar?

small

like 6~7 meals

[unique wolf]

[hybrid rapids]

😖

wait, it can be 14 meals too if i try to save

[blazing pelican]

glamour is the real endgame, right guys

[boreal edge]

@pure yoke beaten ni no kuni?

[blazing pelican]

!whoami

[storm frost]

Yen Moonvow, God of Magic

Miqo'te, Seeker of the Sun
Level 70 Scholar [Item Level 365]
<Pachydermata> on Jenova

[boreal edge]

@blazing pelican the hell with this eyesore

[blazing pelican]

[steady pebble]

i like it, yen

[paper torrent]

@blazing pelican dudes who wear blazers are hella hot

[lucid karma]

that's not even blazer

[hollow bluff]

@paper torrent 100% agreed

[zinc vortex]

@paper torrent glad to see im not the only one

[lusty oak]

serious question: how to setup num0 macro on regular keyboard?

[wet stag]

Autohotkey

[scenic patrol]

There's a Autohotkey script that let's you alt tab from ffxiv while it continues to press num0

[lusty oak]

pls gib

[scenic patrol]

Don't have it

Found it once on the subreddit

But I don't remember where the comment was

[stable basin]

I'm on laptop q-q so I just keep tapping my touchpad thing

800 times

But it feels better for the hand than clicking

[lusty oak]

well, i can do 1000+ num0

but

i dont want too

[stable basin]

I unbound 0

I think

[eternal minnow]

Question: For summoner, what is best: Diamond Ring or Penta Melded Crafted?

[dull radish]

diamond ring

[opal plinth]

for non-tanks the higher ilvl is almost always better. you're loosing out on too much main-stat otherwise

iirc a lot of Summoners end up going for double tome ring eventually though, to get that 0 spellspeed set

[dull radish]

no

well, you can

but it's eh

[pure yoke]

I am using crafted ring on my dragoon

[dull radish]

people chase away spellspeed too quickly on SMN/RDM, it's not a purely dead stat

[pure yoke]

For personal reasons

[dull radish]

and just a touch of spellspeed can be nice on SMN, not much, but yeah

[woeful prawn]

spell speed is fine secondary on smn its just not something you meld onto gear

[dull radish]

mhmm

[lucid karma]

spell speed is nice but at certain point it starts to clip with cooldowns

unfortunate side effect of going fast

[woeful prawn]

i can see it fucking with rdm cause they have manafication and embolden

but smn is thankfully just ruin filler, 30s dots and aetherflow so its very hard to misalign

[lyric summit]

something something high/low sps bahamut rotations

i'm not educated enough to elaborate but that's like.. a thing

[scenic patrol]

It's 20 freaking ilvls, there's needs to be a truly hard exception for it to be better than Diamond

Tanks accessories are a different story because what we gain is like 1 more STR

[spice comet]

Theres some rumor about sch boots being used for speed runs

[scenic patrol]

For 20 ilvl

[spice comet]

Balance been discussing it

Idk if they came to any conclusion

[scenic patrol]

Anemos boots?

[spice comet]

Yep

[scenic patrol]

Those are very unique exceptions

[spice comet]

I could see it with the substats i know someone is doing maths tho

So will see once theyre done

[hybrid rapids]

isn't it ss + crit?

what make it better than 370?

[spice comet]

Sch?

The 5 melds apparently

[hybrid rapids]

unless their overall set have too low ss

you can't meld crit

only DET

[spice comet]

200 det

Balance maths idk

[hybrid rapids]

but losing 18 MND + 21 VIT

[spice comet]

Yea idk y they took it for speed

[hybrid rapids]

which you could replace + another 40 DET on accessories

[spice comet]

Theres prob gonna be something solid in a few days

[hybrid rapids]

so that's like 120 DET vs 200 DET

[spice comet]

Right now its ppl using it over diamond

Cause supposedly better

[hybrid rapids]

and extra 18 MND losing 4 VIT

again, unless their overall set focus too much on crit and det

ended up too low spell speed

then it make sense

tho, i have to check their full set

[spice comet]

❓

[hybrid rapids]

can't solely saying on boot only

boot 1 vs 1, definitely is tome 370 better

[scenic patrol]

losing vit for speed is a none issue

[spice comet]

Wonder if the gain is higher

Smarter ppl than me who do math somehow decided it was

Give it some time

Still just a rumor

[hybrid rapids]

DET can deal more consistence damage than crit i do agree

by default my SCH bis is 1085 SS

oh...you can't even hit 200 DET on eureka boot

[spice comet]

40*4

[hybrid rapids]

nvm, it looks interesting

[spice comet]

U cap a lil after

[hybrid rapids]

i will discuss with them

wanted to know which equipment they swapped after

[spice comet]

And last slot is free

Idk what the new bis would put if its true tho for anemos boots 🤔

[hybrid rapids]

nvm

i understand now

they want more DH

[spice comet]

[hybrid rapids]

make sense for speed run

[spice comet]

U can put dh ....

[hybrid rapids]

my bad to thought of DET first

[spice comet]

LOL

[hybrid rapids]

yes.....160 DH

is a lot...

[spice comet]

U can actually go ham

Holy shit u right

Thats a gain

[hybrid rapids]

it's

if solely targeting DH

but that ain't my style

[spice comet]

Damn no wonder speed strat sick melds

[hybrid rapids]

that doesn't applied to head

because head tome is crit + det

[spice comet]

Just boots

They swap out

[hybrid rapids]

boot is crit + pie

so swapped pie to dh make sense

but yea, it isn't my playstyle

so i didn't think of it

i'm crit > det

[spice comet]

I might just try it now

Thats real tempting

[hybrid rapids]

it's like roughly 4.6%

forgot the maths

on subreddit

[spice comet]

Ye

[hybrid rapids]

about the healer should meld DH or not

[spice comet]

Direct crits

[spice comet]

So yep, balance is going on about using anemos for speed. Looks like not just boots but also couple other left sides, dh melding to the extreme

[stable basin]

Hc folks are kinda fixated on speed running though

[spice comet]

Boots, hats, gloves interesting choices 🤔

[stoic umbra]

this is End Game

[earnest perch]

kisses fingertips

perfection

[steep iris]

:thonk:

[eternal minnow]

I will rephrase the question

For summoner, does the extra stats I get from penta melded crafted offsets the int I get from Diamond ring

Speed is a dead stat for me atm

[dull radish]

It's not dead stat for you

But even if you consider it dead

The diamond is better

If anything, run double tome, but most folks go with diamond ring since sim-wise it comes out ahead

[scenic patrol]

20 ilvl difference is a stretch for anything that is not Tank Accessories

only Bard is a unique exception here

[dull radish]

Healer stuff is for debate at times at the higher end, when you're looking to minimize piety as well (and get more DH haha)

[spice comet]

yea holy hell the dh

thats some increase 👀

[scenic patrol]

SCH can use Anemos boots, but if you are progging, equip the higher ilvl stuff anyways

here's a great comment about this

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/87vkio/which_shield_for_savage_prog/dwfy933/

[spice comet]

well yea its a speedrun strat, unless healers like melding dh for prog then thats a personal choice

[scenic patrol]

and like a said, 20 ilvls is a stretch

Anemos can barely keep up with tome gear aside from a few exceptions

[sonic arch]

do u guys know where can i find updated bard guides for pvp ?

[untold furnace]

on byakko EX, when exactly is the target of the 2nd grab chosen ?

is it at the end of the 1st cast or after he smashed the 1st one

like if I'm playong OT, can I just provoke after he grabbed the MT or that won't work ?

[steady pebble]

I think you want to provoke after he grabs the mt, atleast thats what i recall hearing/seeing in guides

[untold furnace]

okay I'll try that next time, ty

[scenic patrol]

Before

Not after

REEEEEE!

You Provoke during cast bar

Not before or after

[paper torrent]

yes because that is LITERALLY the easiest way to ensure you hold aggro

[scenic patrol]

Otherwise you will lose Enmity leads

Which will cause dps loss over the board

[paper torrent]

aka

DPS

SMASH

[stable basin]

Hmm. There a way still to get caught up on o5s and o6s and have the pugs be a fun and forward moving place?

Or am I doomed to mostly bad and salty groups this far in?

[scenic patrol]

pugs will be pugs

it's out of your control unless you do the Learning party yourself

but people will still get tilted if there is no progress and the groups wipes to the same mechs

[stable basin]

Any hope of a really good and chill prog group if I'm not already on 7 or 8?

[scenic patrol]

make the PF yourself and advertise it as such

[untold furnace]

what I did was practice a bit in practice parties even tho they suck 90% of the time and you can barely get to p3 on o5s, and then when you're confident enough you try and join a kill party @stable basin

[unique wolf]

why did you wait until week 9 to attempt savage again

[paper torrent]

Probably was detered from progs

[scenic patrol]

the longer you wait the more shitty PF becomes

[paper torrent]

even the farms are shitty now

[hybrid rapids]

there're only good and bad players to me :>

[true lark]

paZUZU

theres only

bad player

and less bad players to me

[hybrid rapids]

Elitist

Okay, I’ll call you kiri now

Even I think Lyra more cute

But I don’t want be a pazuzu

[cerulean pilot]

anyone know what a good cpm is for 2.41 gcd drg?

[hybrid rapids]

Which fight

Or solely on dummy

[cerulean pilot]

dummy

[hybrid rapids]

Can you upload dummy log?

[cerulean pilot]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/r3qt7Q4Mv8WFmXH9/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4

[hybrid rapids]

Not sure, usually I do the checking on real fight

[cerulean pilot]

just wanted to see if I can even do enough dps on the kefka dummy

2:44 clear seems pretty bad for my gear

i'm wondering if i'm clipping gcd or something

[hybrid rapids]

you're like around 42.6 CPM

[paper torrent]

look at Espresso's logs, you should be able to find a good count there

[cerulean pilot]

fflogs says my cpm is 37.6

[hybrid rapids]

ohh...

i meant it's too short

so the calculation gaps is kinda huge

i do the calcuate myself

based on your total cast / time taken

anyway, since you only do normal rotation didn't included goad or elusive jump, feint etc

it's pretty standard

[cerulean pilot]

in normal fights I usually do

didn't feel the need to for a dummy

[hybrid rapids]

will be more accurate if you can go in an actual fight

yeaaa

it's like 2~3 mins

and you won't need to use those utility

[paper torrent]

dummy is only really useful for seeing DPS

not really how well you'll do in the fight

because dummy doesn't replicate mechanics

or dragon sight

[cerulean pilot]

well yea, but I just want to make sure i'm doing the rotation right before optimizing based on mechanics

[hybrid rapids]

did you summoned chocobo?

[cerulean pilot]

yea

[hybrid rapids]

to tether that dragon eye

[cerulean pilot]

used pot and food too

[hybrid rapids]

ilvl and which dummy?

8s?

[cerulean pilot]

yea 8s

and 365

[hybrid rapids]

i can say 5,6k is pretty good

[cerulean pilot]

yea just wanted to make sure I was doing enough for my ilvl since I thought i365 should be doing around 5.8k or more

[paper torrent]

godka 95th is 6k dps

[hybrid rapids]

in actual fight you should be able to reach 5.8k~6k

if without mistakes

or 4.8k~5.2k

if playing safe

which is enough for a clear

[cerulean pilot]

how much dps is decent for clown kefka?

haven't gotten to god yet

[hybrid rapids]

kefaust?

[cerulean pilot]

yea

[hybrid rapids]

5.2k~5.4k

is decent on your ilvl

considering there're plenty of down time

but also depends on comp

i just giving a rough number

NIN / AST / SCH for example would allows you to hit more

[cerulean pilot]

my static doesn't run nin and ast T_T

[hybrid rapids]

i thought nin is a must......

for tank keeping DPS stance

[paper torrent]

5.4k

[hybrid rapids]

anyway, my point is your DPS is good enough for a clear if your other members are good too

[cerulean pilot]

so far it's been going okay, but our whm has been pulling aggro a lot on kefaust

[paper torrent]

on reg kefka

[hybrid rapids]

because you have no NIN

lmao

[paper torrent]

99 is 5.6k

[hybrid rapids]

you can only use shrink

and WHM lucid dream

[paper torrent]

keep in mind your DPS will be lower in the fight

because mechanics

[hybrid rapids]

he's ilvl 365

totally possible to hit that

considering your weapon is 370?

[paper torrent]

eh. possible.

[cerulean pilot]

there's just so much downtime that my dps is falls pretty hard

yea 370

[hybrid rapids]

yea, 5.2k ~ 5.4k is possible

hmmm, i can't give good suggestion for DRG as i'm a healer main myself

you should ask balance fams tho

[cerulean pilot]

well i'm here since everyone there is sleeping or talking about random shit

[hybrid rapids]

about rotations and buff timing for certain fight

ya...sry i tried to help but not an expert in melee dps

only can give general guide

[paper torrent]

ask Epresso

[cerulean pilot]

I need to show espresso my improvement after the first time I posted here

senpai ❤

[hybrid rapids]

did you actually hit enrage on kefka?

[cerulean pilot]

yea we hit enrage on kefaust at less than 1%

not god

[hybrid rapids]

if and only if you have a ninja

[cerulean pilot]

pls give sam shadewalker

[primal oak]

circle shirk should be able to compensate for the lack of nin if your healer is not a derp and actually uses lucid

[hybrid rapids]

no, i meant trick attack

[primal oak]

but getting a nin is more productive than bigbrain circleshirk

[lyric dawn]

How much spell speed do you need as a rdm

Currently have 1357 is that enough?

[hybrid rapids]

More than enough

You want it lower

And focus crit > DH > DET

[lyric dawn]

My materia is all on crit and dh

Not sure how to lower it more

I will need to replace gear

So lower is better ? @hybrid rapids

[lyric summit]

yes

it's the least useful rdm secondary

you want to pretty much get rid all SpS on your gear and melds

[tough knot]

is the smn anemos gear generally better than the 360 gear? this is before doing sigma savage

[dull radish]

piece by piece there might be some relatively comparable pieces, and some that the tome are much better

like, tome gloves, pants, and boots will definitely pull a decent bit ahead over anemos. The others would be close I suppose, depending on what other gear you got

[tough knot]

So the 360 gloves pants and boots are better then?

[lyric summit]

if it doesn't have SpS and you can meld more crit than the tome piece has, it's better

ok probably not cause theres a pretty big INT difference ignore that

[dull radish]

yeah like

I'm pretty sure in general the tome will be better even for spellspeed pieces at base, but it'll be close

but those above pieces will be a good bit better than anemos

[spring dock]

anybody know what kinda dps a pld should be getting at i350 on byakko

[hybrid rapids]

byakko...

i never used parser in byakko yet

but should be good if can do dummy?

DPS check was really low

even at 340 we did it easily

[untold oyster]

Lol I remember seeing a minimum ilvl Byakko party, which makes it 340, and I'm like it's still gonna be easy as fuck why would these people feel accomplished doing this lol

[dull radish]

byakko is sort of a really tough fight to try to compare performance on, with all that downtime

[hybrid rapids]

yea, minimum ilvl now is kinda relevant to content

compared to ARR

titan minimum ilvl

or HW thordan minimum ilvl

these 2 are close to savage

[untold oyster]

Thordan was fun when it first came out 👀

And so was ravana

[hybrid rapids]

thordan is the only fight that mechanics never repeat?

[dull radish]

I loved ravana when it came out

[untold oyster]

I think so

[hybrid rapids]

ravana bgm was fitting the fight much

[untold oyster]

High on hiiigh I stand
Gazing dooown
To see casuuuls

[spring dock]

I know byakko has a lot of downtime yeah

but dps check is low too

if u can get up to the tank lb3 then you're gonna be fine I think

[hybrid rapids]

idk, I didn't do tank lb3 that time

we was all ilvl 340 first week

but i think that depends on player skill as well

if have bad in group then the others have to cover

but if all good then won't have trouble at all

[unreal lance]

I've had 20% enrage in byakko before

Fun times

[spring dock]

I had a 2% one

I think rdps was 15k? Can't remember but it was pretty low

[dull radish]

whew

[spice comet]

u have to try hard to enrage, i had a same class run, we built lb3 by second adds through dying

[spring dock]

our nin was new

and died to transition every time

[hybrid rapids]

isn't 15k around susano level?

[spring dock]

because he was under ilvl

[hybrid rapids]

ahh

yea, if have to cover

then others have to do more

to cover the low

[spring dock]

we cleared whenever our drg leader guy joined

because he did like

1k more dps than everyone else

fresh off lvl 70 trying to get a new weapon from byakko

fun times

[hybrid rapids]

10 times -_-

if no luck

[spring dock]

I got the mount but no weapon yet

cursed rng

[hybrid rapids]

lmao

the only related item

mount is permanent

[stable basin]

@hybrid rapids shinryu has essentially non cycling pattern as well

[hybrid rapids]

Phase 1

[stable basin]

technically p3 has one but if you're going to meet p4 enrage check, you're not really going to see it (plus it's 50/50 rng at points)

[hybrid rapids]

Is repeating

[stable basin]

no

[hybrid rapids]

Phase 3 is repeating as well

[stable basin]

phase 1 ends after the 2nd tidal wave regardless of %HP

[hybrid rapids]

....2nd tidal wave...that’s repeat

[stable basin]

phase 3 technically does repeat, but if you have enough dps to clear, multiple cycles aren't really a thing

[hybrid rapids]

aka repeat

[spring dock]

https://i.imgur.com/hGKZZTz.png is this going to be an improvement anyway

theres crit

on the byakko one but

[pure yoke]

I think

seeing 4th Akh Mourn in Shinyru is a really bad sign

aka you will probably enrage

[spice comet]

I dont remember seeing 4th ahk even in a 7 man shin

So yeah at that point ur basically done

[pure yoke]

I remember someone posted a JP macro displaying what cooldowns to use for every Akh Mourn

the 4th one just says "Disband"

[spice comet]

LOL

[pure yoke]

it's like

seeing GA-100 in phase 1 of A11S

[unique wolf]

lol

[spice comet]

"Ur fuqed gg"

[hybrid rapids]

Yes lmao

That someone was me

4th is disband

[lyric summit]

4th akh morn is already like after the soar and 2nd aerial blast? or something

[spice comet]

Ez just disband

[lyric summit]

like.. super late

[spice comet]

After aerial but idk where

[hybrid rapids]

If you seeing 4th most likely going to enrage anyway

[pure yoke]

hey Tsun

have you ever seen

the legendary GA-100 in phase 1 of A11S?

[spice comet]

Is that like aerial->wings->something then 4th ahk

[hybrid rapids]

I did...week 2

Was doing it blind

[pure yoke]

[hybrid rapids]

Only first times lmao

Then y’all skip lapis those shit after

I do respect content yo

I never actually skipped lapis

[pure yoke]

Lapis

requires very specific dps

you need to do high dps

but not too high

[hybrid rapids]

Yeaa, the control part is hard

Like a MCH with wildfire

Triggered at very last second

[pure yoke]

ugh

too lazy to do Eureka

[scenic patrol]

I am lazy so I do Eureka

Netflix and chill

2 levels a day

Now only 2 and I'll have feathers from Pazuzu

[hybrid rapids]

I’m doing gathering for food

Mug going to do next ultimate?

[pure yoke]

idk

ultimate sounds like alot of time and effort

[hybrid rapids]

They promised next ultimate will be shorter

Won’t be harder than coils

Maybe same difficulty idk

SE balance team is weird

[paper torrent]

Se balance team is high on moly

[hybrid rapids]

lmao

[paper torrent]

Hey let's buff mnk and not buff sam

[hybrid rapids]

I meant when they said hard, it would be crazy hard

When easy, then it’s easier than extreme

People complaining shinryuu is hard

And they promised won’t release hard content on main quest anymore

[paper torrent]

Shinryu is only hard because of casuals

[pure yoke]

imo

Susano was harder in retrospect

[paper torrent]

Who coasted on memes

[pure yoke]

Susano NM is still a nightmare in Trial Roulette

[paper torrent]

And healers adjust

And also didn't realize they missed their 70 skill and gear

Yeah i had snm in trial a roulette a month back

Holy fuck

We had a dps that wiped to mechs

Every single mech

I'm pretty sure he wanted to afk for a free clear but healers kept ressing

We cleared after we kicked him thankfully

[scenic patrol]

Nah, Lakshmi is the true nightmare in Trial Roulette

[eternal minnow]

So regarding my previous enquire about crafted ring versus diamond ring, I went into the dummy of o4s with each a couple of times.

out of 5 kills with each set, where the only variable was the ring, I concluded that it allows me to kill the dummy on an average 8 seconds faster

being the lowest difference 7 and the highest 10

therefore I concluded that the crafted ring offers more value

It was suggested that the non augmented ring could be used but I haven't had the time to test this out

[dull radish]

shorter fights have a bias towards crit being better

you need many more than 5 pulls, much longer than however long those pulls took

to get any semblence of conclusive evidence

[eternal minnow]

although I got more tomes than I need currently, I am saving for BIS pieces once I adquire more twines

of course, however I do not have the drive or time to do an acceptable study

[dull radish]

and others have

[eternal minnow]

could you provide me with those tests please

[dull radish]

just go to the balance and ask for info in the smn channels, and wait for nemekh or fryte or any of those folks to help you out

[eternal minnow]

I don't have the balance discord

[scenic patrol]

Than join

[eternal minnow]

where can I get the link?

is it available on the reddit?

[scenic patrol]

It's a much better place to discuss those things

Just search on Google The Balance FFXIV

[dull radish]

https://discord.gg/CjQkEn3

[scenic patrol]

https://discordapp.com/invite/CjQkEn3

After that go to registration

And type ~rank summoner

[eternal minnow]

yap already inside

thank you

[scenic patrol]

Just don't look at the DRK discussion right now, it has gone to shit

[eternal minnow]

???

[scenic patrol]

The guys were discussing about the current number one parse for tanks in O6S

A padded run

Of DRK

Than a brigade showed up

Kinda pathetic

[eternal minnow]

all rank one parsers are padded

that's how you get to rank one

....

[scenic patrol]

Most of the top tank parses are actually speed

[pure yoke]

Warrior benefits massively from a fast o6s

since killing it in 6:30 mean

their IR just ended

look at killtime for o6s

anything below 7:00 is attempted speed

[stable basin]

All this speed run and theorycraft stuff. .. And meanwhile I am usually just thinking "can we clear the boss?" "if a farm can we do it again comfortably?"

[blazing pelican]

That should be your thought process. Clear > farm > speed

[pure yoke]

or what most people do

[scenic patrol]

I still need to get O7S on farm

[pure yoke]

Clear -> Farm -> break

[scenic patrol]

I just hope that next week it'll take one hour at most

[blazing pelican]

If we get books as first mechanic in 7 we just wipe cause we don't want to deal with that.

[scenic patrol]

Monk first is better?

[blazing pelican]

Yeah.

[stable basin]

7, from what I understand, is supposed to be a pain fest?

[heavy mist]

lol no

its an idiot fest

[blazing pelican]

7 is 2 slightly different fights wrapped into one

[scenic patrol]

Took me a total of 12 hours to prog through

In a midcore static

[heavy mist]

i dont even count my hours on long it took lol

[grizzled seal]

12hrs is like 2-3 weeks, thats quite a bit..

[heavy mist]

w/e i do to get done

it just happens

[stable basin]

So more or less 7 is "don't pug this if you want to still have hair and acceptable blood pressure"

[blazing pelican]

7 is an idiot fest because unlike 5 and 6, failing certain mechanics kills the raid, not just you

[grizzled seal]

you can pug 7

[scenic patrol]

Aye

Also someone dead during books is an automatic wipe

[heavy mist]

for now

[blazing pelican]

Someone dead during Monk circles is a raid wide damage down

[heavy mist]

still possible to clear

harder, but possible

[scenic patrol]

Eh, the mobs that spawn for books are a pain in the ass

Better to wipe

[stable basin]

Yeah you want an evil auto wipe for someone dead see A11S numbers

[blazing pelican]

Ink is library phase but less obnoxious

Missiles is the hardest mechanic in the game

[heavy mist]

but ultros 2nd phase LUL

[blazing pelican]

Most people are incapable of multiple object tracking

[heavy mist]

thats some legendary wipe moments

[scenic patrol]

My O7S clear was just after Ultros I think

With like 30 seconds to spare

[stable basin]

Are the savage missiles harder to dodge?

[blazing pelican]

Missiles is the reason why you need to know your rotation by muscle memory

Because you need to look at your screen, not your bars

[scenic patrol]

There are extra mechanics with missiles

Like missiles + Chakras

Missiles + Ultros

[blazing pelican]

Missiles + air farce

[stable basin]

@blazing pelican still need to look at bars on some jobs though

[scenic patrol]

Missiles + air force

[stable basin]

RDM

[grizzled seal]

🤔

[scenic patrol]

And someone getting hit in Missiles + air force will probably result in a wipe

[blazing pelican]

[stable basin]

Lol that emote wins

[blazing pelican]

I've saved a wipe from that. Once.

I had to pop sprint to get in place and the OT had to take my bomb

[boreal edge]

missiles + balls + atomic baiting

hardest part

[lusty oak]

?

no

[scenic patrol]

for DPS players

maybe

[lusty oak]

mb for melee

because uptime

but as ranged u should have 0 troubles with baiting atomic and getting into chakra bubble

[boreal edge]

@lusty oak not when you have to run through 4 missiles which always happen to me

[lusty oak]

here guide

do

not

succ

[boreal edge]

at least i got orange parse

[lusty oak]

off to cinema, dont tag me anymore

[boreal edge]

get to my level

cinema in the morning?

[lusty oak]

ofc

easy tickets to best place + NO FUCKING KIDS

[stable basin]

... Wow @ cynics defending the dumbass chests system on the OF ... practically intimating that the game would be P2W (and not in a way benefiting SE, either) if we had a properly reasonable loot system. owo

[scenic patrol]

The current loot system is nice except for the fact that it punishes people for helping newbs

[stable basin]

to the more HC raiders here - is there actually any redeeming characteristic to that system vs. standard MMO style raid loot, or does it just punish people for helping without any positive side?

(apparently the thing being intimated is that if chests were independent of number of people cleared, before long the standard would be more or less having to pay the sellers to get into Savage at all)

[scenic patrol]

It makes gearing up not trivial for alt raids me thinks

And Nadine, I am not a Hardcore raider

I am midcore at best

[paper torrent]

The thing is though you get rid of two chest

Will hc and mc raiders really help pugs more?

[stable basin]

probably yes

[paper torrent]

I doubt it

[stable basin]

the learning party discord is heavily hamstrung because people want 2 chest first clears (can we blame them? they're trying to catch up and need the gear more than people who are already in 365+ from having lucked into good statics early on)

[paper torrent]

There would still be no incentive to help newbies run content

[scenic patrol]

HC and MC raiders already help traps

[paper torrent]

^

[stable basin]

and meanwhile, the pool of people who will join a first clear rather than a safe duty complete weekly given the choice is being found by the former to be lamentably small

[scenic patrol]

And of you want a clear you should give up on a chest

[paper torrent]

2 chest has nothing to do with it

[stable basin]

my guess is that the extreme difficulty of O7S is a major influence there too

[scenic patrol]

Lol, extreme difficulty

[stable basin]

I mean a lot of people probably would take longer for their weekly 5 and 6 to help people out, but they need that time to prog 7

[scenic patrol]

That's a good one

[stable basin]

well, major jump in difficulty and time required for most to prog it, anyways

[dull radish]

the current loot system is pretty nice

it's really not a big deal at all

[paper torrent]

I started progs 6 week late

[scenic patrol]

That's because pugs are inconsistent as fuck and O7S requires people not to die at certain points

[paper torrent]

And still got o5s and o6s clears

[scenic patrol]

Dying before Biblio is a wipe

[paper torrent]

If you start late in the tier you have to be prepared for sacrifices

[stable basin]

@dull radish Eh. It also means other scenarios are locked out too

[dull radish]

what does that even mean

[stable basin]

Say you are a friendly partial static on 7 that raids Tuesday and Wednesday, a friend of yours wants to catch up on 5 and 6 but has to work Tuesday and is off Wednesday

[paper torrent]

And learn when people are either just going to hit enrage or not learn mechanics

[stable basin]

you can't go run 7 on Tuesday and let your friends have 5-6 on Wednesday because the chests system.

[dull radish]

ok

that's on you

like

[paper torrent]

But weekly clears for o5s and o6s

[dull radish]

life happens, you do what you can

[stable basin]

I'm not sure why that's a feature and not a flaw either

[scenic patrol]

If he wants that clear so bad he should give up a chest

[paper torrent]

Are super easy at the start of the week

[dull radish]

you know you can also run them through 5 and 6 quick

for a page run

before you do 7

[paper torrent]

^

[dull radish]

over half the time they weren't gonna get loot anyways

other than the page

[stable basin]

well, it is true that I've seen even entire statics have a weekly 2 chest run that failed to give them anything of use to their mains

but yeah Rika, is there any positive feature of the chests system?

[scenic patrol]

O5S drops for my static is pretty much alt gear right now

[dull radish]

it incentivizes groups forming to clear stuff

[scenic patrol]

Same for O6S almost

[dull radish]

instead of people whining to get carried by poeple who have cleared for the week

and still get two chests

all to themselves

[paper torrent]

^

[stable basin]

I'm not entirely sure Square benefits from frustrating people who want a 2 chest clear later in the week/first time, though

Nor why XIV specifically needs it (it's pretty unique in the industry, and at that even in XIV since all the other weekly loot systems are ordinary)

[dull radish]

that's their perogative to push for two chests late in the week

[paper torrent]

The communitu does

Square has nothing to do with it

[dull radish]

like, what would you want the alternative to be

[paper torrent]

It's about encouraging people who prog together to stay for a clear

And prevent whining for carries like rika said

[scenic patrol]

Let's say there's a static that has 2 characters for each player

Without the restrictions what they'll do is run the raids like 16 times each week

And be geared within a week or two

For their mains

[stable basin]

Yeah, the OF board went over that one Johni, the general consensus was cheesing the system gets you way too little extra for all the time that goes into it

also that leads to burnout pretty rapidly

[dull radish]

which is what they want to avoid

[stable basin]

I know this because that's more or less what was going on late in Lich King in WoW

[dull radish]

which the current system helps to avoid

[stable basin]

Tier 9 was about the length of a XIV savage tier (4-5 bosses)

People were grumbling that to be competitive they had to run it every week on normal 10, heroic 10, normal 25, and heroic 25

because each dropped loot separately (in Tier 10 they made the normal/heroic lockouts shared, so it was only 10 and 25)

[paper torrent]

Page runs are also unoffical parse runs

For some people

[dull radish]

they're also a wonderful place to try new things and different jobs

that you wouldn't try on weeklies

[paper torrent]

Because they know that ppl in page runs have a better chance of knowing the fight

And besides you already have carry runs like others have said

[stable basin]

It also seems that people this tier are much less willing on average to join 2 chest clear parties

[paper torrent]

It's called a 1 chest or page

[dull radish]

there's plenty of people willing to join 2 chest clear parties

[paper torrent]

Because they're trap late in the week?

[dull radish]

they fill up super quick early in the week

then later in the week of course it's going to die down

but people still fill and clear even monday night two chest memes

[stable basin]

huh, wonder why people in the learning party discord regularly get frustrated trying to fill such

[scenic patrol]

What's the learning discord?

[dull radish]

folks are probably waiting until real late in the week

like two chests parties still do fill

[scenic patrol]

You mentioned it again, yet I don't know of which savage raiding discord you are talking about

[dull radish]

it just takes longer there

whereas if you take the hit on a chest or two, for sake of learning/clear, it generally still fills super quick

also too many people are picky with jobs in clear parties haha

and/or ilvl

[stable basin]

yeah, Thursday and Friday are probably the worst days from what I've seen

[dull radish]

friday onward

are the worst

[paper torrent]

The irony is the leader is the most trap

[stable basin]

I remember once a friend and I tried to just make even a straight practice party for O2S on a Thursday later on in Deltascape

and we sat there for over an hour and only one person ever joined

[dull radish]

lot of times it's stuff like wording

[stable basin]

Yeah, practice on Thursday is rough, especially if you're looking to make forward progress from existing prog

[dull radish]

well there wasn't really "prog" for O2S

it was learning -> clear

[scenic patrol]

Nadine, if you truly want to raid, you should look for a static in the end

[dull radish]

generally even a random group of folks would clear in a lockout

[paper torrent]

Like that guy who said we don't do tank lb in byakko?

Lmao

The first two fights* aren't so hard you can't get clears

[scenic patrol]

First 2 fights I can die in each as a tank and still clear

[dull radish]

even on release you could have like 5 deaths and still clear O2S haha

even in pugs

[scenic patrol]

They are beyond forgiving

[paper torrent]

Tanks get more screwed

In slow o5s

You start hitting TBs

That are super close

[scenic patrol]

Defiance + IB for that

If you don't have CDs that is

[paper torrent]

I just shirk to force a swap midway

After ghosts

#pugstrats

[stable basin]

Healers seem to be the Achilles' heel of pugs lately though

[scenic patrol]

They always are

[paper torrent]

In o5s yes

[scenic patrol]

That and grey dps players

[paper torrent]

^

More so that in o6s

[scenic patrol]

So fucking many

[paper torrent]

I out dpsed a sam

[scenic patrol]

Is doing dummy practice so goddamn hard?

[paper torrent]

Who complained about me staying in deliv

[stable basin]

actually ACT's been broken for me for a few days at least now

I'm not sure what happened

[scenic patrol]

That's on your end

Act has been fine for me

[stable basin]

was there an actual upgrade for act in addition to the xiv plugin?

[paper torrent]

Mine has been working perfectly

[scenic patrol]

Not for act itself, no

[stable basin]

hmm. i updated my xiv plugin but i don't even get the hp bar overlay anymore

[scenic patrol]

Why do you need the HP bar overlay?

[stable basin]

it's just an indication that even basic functionality isn't working

ohhh

now i see what's going on

it does seem to be working, except all overlays are going to the wrong monitor

[dull radish]

the HP bar overlay isn't really "basic functionality"

[stable basin]

but it used to work properly with two monitors so i'm not sure what's busted there

[dull radish]

it's an overlay haha

[scenic patrol]

Most of my overlays except Enmity are in the secondary monitor

No need for em in my eye sight

[dull radish]

the base functionality is just the main ACT window

[stable basin]

and yeah definitely secondary monitor for the Recount style overlays is a good idea

those are way too distracting

[scenic patrol]

Although I would love to have Timeline overlay on my primary monitor

But it gets hidden by FFXIV

[stable basin]

actually I have XIV on what is officially the secondary monitor

mainly so that Discord notifications don't keep popping up over it

since Win10 won't let you move notifications other than by setting the wanted monitor as first

[scenic patrol]

Disable Discord overlay!!

REEEEEE!

No seriously, Discord Overlay is shitttttt

[wet stag]

@scenic patrol run windowed fullscreen lol

[scenic patrol]

No need

Rest of the overlays can display over FFXIV

Only timeline can't

[spice comet]

the one time i had discord overlay on i couldnt click on anything in game, yep got rid of it asap

[stable basin]

ouch

the only time I've had xiv mess up with discord was at one point alt-tabbing kept screwing up my game window

and that was apparently because nVidia had stealth "optimized" the game settings to fullscreen during a driver update without telling me

thanks nvidia. :/

[fading slate]

What's the number of skillspeed required for the 2.38 GCD?

[drowsy pebble]

i am starting to think ranged are far more independent in terms of how they do in pugs vs melee, wrong to think that?

mainly because they aren't impacted by tank positioning as much, besides that all that's left is buff timers

[lyric summit]

physical ranged need a dragoon to do good dps

casters are pretty independent yea

[stable basin]

ACT IS ILLEGAL AN DYOU SHOUDLNT USE IT

...it's just a tool to harass people...

[topaz wolf]

nice b8 m8 i r8 8/8

[stable basin]

@fading slate too low tbh

I think I had like 2.35 on my pld at at least one point without any intention to :/

There is too damn much sks this tier

[fading slate]

Yeah I found it on my own, I got to 2.39 just switching some now less-needed DH melds to sks

[drowsy pebble]

TCJ is never used inside a TA proc right

bhava / frog only i would assume

[untold oyster]

Usually tcj is used to set up TA but I feel like sometimes you have to use it within TA depending on the fight where you lose auto attack uptime and your gauge isn't up in time

[lucid karma]

sometimes you have to use it because otherwise you'd delay TCJ even further due to mechanic

[verbal kettle]

you will occasionally use it inside TA, but in general it will either be used to set up TA, or used as a Doton TCJ for dps

[wise basin]

Ok so question

In raid content

TCJ suiton or TCJ doton on NIN opener 🤔

[spice comet]

I think it depends on the raid if the boss moves before doton can finish ticking better brava opener

I thought suiton waa set up before through hide unless that changed since o1s-o4s

[wise basin]

It is, but I believe if you're building crit/dhit it's better for suiton, it's a gamble but if you get a crit or a dhit; or better a direct crit you already have done more potency than doton ticks

[verbal kettle]

which opener you use is decided by: 1) whether you would lose a cast of TCJ by doing Bhava opener, 2) whether you can use TCJ to set your 2nd trick

and Doton TCJ is always better than a Suiton TCJ

as long the the boss will stand in 7 out of the 8 ticks of doton

outside of 1 or 2 very specific cases, you should be using TCJ for 1 of 2 things: 1) Suiton TCJ to set up TA, 2) Doton TCJ for damage

the most optimal use of TCJ is always using it to set up a TA, but this is not always possible in fights due to mechanics and downtime

[true lark]

only fight where i tcj opener is normal kefka and thats suiton

not because the boss moves but more of banking on dhc raiton for burst

[verbal kettle]

You should be doing doton tcj

On Faust and 5s

[boreal edge]

kefka god kefka and phatom train are best from tcj doton opener

[lusty oak]

guardian should be too

u dont move him for so long

[boreal edge]

its hard to be done on guardian

cause you meet that tank who dont keep it in middle

also atomic happen right as u get 80 ninki

so you are left with 2 ways to do it

do tcj suiton and have tank move boss from mid

or do bhava opener

and keep boss in mid

[raw cliff]

can do bhava opener on god kefka

you lose an auto from celestriad

can set up 2nd TA with TCJ

during skulls

lines up well

gives you less frogs in the fight

[verbal kettle]

guardian should be bhava

6, 7 and god should be bhava opener

it's not about whether you move the boss or not

[stable basin]

so, where do you find xiv recruitment stuff that isn't 7S/8S/kefka on farm/HC stuff?

there's like nothing on there for sc folks just getting into the tier owo

(I think I saw one SC static advertisement at all, and it was on Chaos)

(which ... surprises me, because everything I hear about Savage on Chaos is that they're usually super stringent on standards compared even to NA)

[opaque temple]

Try looking in pf and putting what you are searching for there.

[stable basin]

hmm also 1 crit + 4 DH in anemos rdm tabard or 5 DH?

[raw cliff]

usually people pug if they just want 5/6 so statics for that are rare

[stable basin]

it has room for 79 more crit and 265 more DH

[raw cliff]

doesn't matter

stat weights are based on max ilvl gear

don't worry about secondary stats unless you're going for 99% speedkills or week 1 clears

[tacit bloom]

with crit you either go all or nothing

[drowsy pebble]

i'm wondering if overwriting sens to keep buffs up between boss phases is worth it in terms of dps for sams

[raw cliff]

if you want to do that it might be best to hold your hagekure for that point

[drowsy pebble]

yeah true

[buoyant wave]

@verbal kettle Emote for you I made a while back:

After seeing the avatar lawl

[verbal kettle]

haha 😄 amazing

[wet stag]

Stat weights kek

[blazing pelican]

Stat weights are silly. Everyone wants a certain GCD, then Crit >= DH > Det for pretty much every DPS job

[wet stag]

Stat weight are real and the balance discord are hiding them from us

[scenic patrol]

Mox's data has been leaked already

Time for the rest to be leaked

[wet stag]

Gib stat weights ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[zenith saffron]

Last I heard DH scaled about 1% proc chance for every 40 or so, and that DH melds gave you more than crit, and that crit only becomes more valuable at 2300 ish crit

So with what I've heard and seen, unless if you're a bard or monk, meld direct hit over crit

[spice comet]

Think we're at the point where crit overtook dh

And no, bards melds crit

Dont dh ur brd, crit for brd

[dull radish]

we had enough crit last tier, for crit comps

[zenith saffron]

Yeah, bards and monks mrld crit

[dull radish]

end of last tier, that is

[zenith saffron]

Because they have shit that proc only on crits

[spice comet]

Yea ive been building crit since 340 noticed most ppl do the same

Its dh when they couldnt crit

[zenith saffron]

And I'm pretty sure direct hit still over takes crit, since as mentioned, it only over takes once your CRIT is 2300 or so

[dull radish]

it doesn't

and random numbers like that aren't really correct

and give very wrong impressions

that whole crit + dh > 3500 meme

such cancer

[spice comet]

crits winning now

[zenith saffron]

Even on monk from gear tho I'm only sitting at about 1950ish crit at 353

[dull radish]

that's more than enough crit to be worth

[raw cliff]

the crit number needed for it to overtake DH is also lower if you have litany, chain strtegem, and brd crit buff

[zenith saffron]

I need just crits anyways cuz uhh... Gimme day chakra and Dem crits

[dull radish]

and most strictly it depends on your current levels of every substat, as well

it's never been a static number, and it's very misleading when someone tries to give one

but suffice to say that, outside of extreme edge cases, stacking crit is the way to go now

[raw cliff]

it doesn't change that much with other stats at least

[dull radish]

yeah, not that much, but it's a consideration often overlooked completely

[raw cliff]

it also changes with your rotation

[dull radish]

people like hard-fast numbers and it's not really how it works

[raw cliff]

and when boss does mechanics

[dull radish]

fight to fight BiS when

(please never)

[raw cliff]

luckily the change is minimal

and secondary stats are closer in vaue than they've ever been in the game

changing a bis piece to a non-bis piece is sometimes not even 2 dps difference

while improving your rotation can easily give hundreds of dps difference

for some jobs it's really good to have the correct skillspeed tier though, because it affects rotation

NIN, DRG, PLD

some others too but not as much

[zenith saffron]

Which reminds me, been wondering:
When you gain a buff that improuves your CRIT or DH like say...battle voice, does it take the value and increase it by said percentage, or is it a static percentage increase

[wet stag]

Um

[raw cliff]

flat increase

[wet stag]

It takes your crit chance and increases it

[raw cliff]

you can get 100% crit chance on MNK

[blazing pelican]

Remember in Creator when having a lot of DPS meant you could break a fight?

[hybrid rapids]

@blazing pelican you can skip a little bit on first phase

like until 89% HP it will teleport away

that's a12s

only a11s is the worse one

with a lot of action skip-able

9s is fixed, you can only end the fight earlier

10s can skip a bit depends on PT DPS

[pure yoke]

A12S I think

is 100% fixed after first phase

[mighty shale]

yeah

[worldly herald]

11 was really fucking weird with pushes

bad push timing made things worse on yourself

[hybrid rapids]

skip that shield uwu

skip that lapis...

[primal oak]

is T9 still insta-wipe if you don't wait for meteors

[heavy mist]

Yes

I get wiped there all the time

[hybrid rapids]

@primal oak we stands there healed meteor xD

cure 3 each

so you would have 0 meteor

but haven't tried T9 savage

[woeful prawn]

i loved creator skips

but then you have the flip side of me actually never seeing enrage in any of these fights which i dont think is too good.

[scenic patrol]

🤢