During bubble
#endgame-lounge
amber fable
sinful brook
I've sent lb3 for it
worn bluff
even in PF 1 death should be fine without having to send 1m now
tulip anvil
sometimes i need to use a little bit of my burst during the bubble and we only barely kill it
amber fable
Pf is bad then
tulip anvil
i mean thats a given yes
loud swift
with deaths its common to see bubble live with about 1% ish so i do pop my 1minute we are still progging
i guess i can just lb3 it
worn bluff
if you're getting to 1% you can just start your 2 min a little early
loud swift
healer rez doesnt do much to help arena split after
worn bluff
just wait towards the last dash to decide if you want to burst
worn bluff
i mean if it's newer raiders not used to pressing buttons might just need time to get more confident w rotation+mechanic
stray forge
what if paladins could rez hmmge
loud swift
i mean if it's newer raiders not used to pressing buttons might just need time t...
the issue is.. i think im the only new raider there
or atleast new to the raiding scene
tulip anvil
what if paladins could rez hmmge
if paladins could rez it would be really good for prog
loud swift
idk about everyone else there
tulip anvil
lorewise how would a WAR rez
loud nymph
lorewise how would a WAR rez
shouting at you to get back on your feet
loud swift
lorewise how would a WAR rez
scream til they get up like a drill sergeant
worn bluff
fell cleave you back to life
tulip anvil
DRK would be a better candidate for a rez, because its funny
worn bluff
DRK rez teammate but at 1HP and they have a doom that has to be healed to full
jolly flume
I think we need to remove the 40% from tanks so they have to beg healers for help on every buster that does anything
loud swift
or would it be same recast as ld?
worn bluff
I think we need to remove the 40% from tanks so they have to beg healers for hel...
isn't that just war
jolly flume
yes
wicked delta
I think we need to remove the 40% from tanks so they have to beg healers for hel...
i will simply meld tenacity
tulip anvil
I think it would be a really cool idea for a tank to have a raise as an alternative for an invuln or something
Maybe it could revive without weakness to make up for no invuln
worn bluff
I think we need to remove the 40% from tanks so they have to beg healers for hel...
wait no i have a worse idea. 40%, 90s, and short mit are now GCDs
worn bluff
watch the chaos ensue
spice path
Drk the only tank a 'raise' would work with lore wise. Maayybe PLD? But naw. They gunna remove all raises from all but healers. Rezmage ded.
stray forge
this used to be a thing in WoW 🙁
they took it out?
worn bluff
self rez tank...
that would be pretty funny lol. die and self rez on a 5s delay, but with some damage to make up for the downtime so people are actually willing to use it like an invuln for TBs. and then give it a 5 min cd
stray forge
I haven't raided in retail since original wotlk lol
oh wait i think i did several runs of like xavius and nathria but thats it
and nyalotha
loud nymph
they took it out?
a long time ago, DK combat rez is just a normal combat rez now
no more controllable ghoul
boreal pumice
drk should be able to use charon
verbal whale
if the new prange in 8 isnt a corsair ill rage quit
kind elm
i gotta lock back in on wow
shy obsidian
that would be pretty funny lol. die and self rez on a 5s delay, but with some da...
would it have Weakness, I wonder?
worn bluff
would it have Weakness, I wonder?
nah no weakness
you would have to make it functionally similar to an actual invuln
if it's a dps loss no one would use it in place of a planned invuln
so rez animation lock + some sort of damage compensation could work
worn bluff
IMO all invulns should have the same cd
sincerely a PLD player
(but also we get to keep our other mits)
shy obsidian
ngl i reallly want an electrope-based job but good luck explaining that to the fresh level 90s who are about to reach Ultima Thule 😭
worn bluff
if something is based off of a thing you find out about later, you could start the job quests as being based on some mystery material
and then later on explain how it got to this shard
shy obsidian
as far as we know, usually stuff doesn't leak into the Source unless they're brought by the Ascians or ripped from the void...
so trying to justify Alexandrian stuff leaking into the Source pre-merge might be a teensy bit hard
since uh. da gate was COMPLETELY shut off before The Incident™
whole estuary
alternatively, since superbolide is now just bolide, it should have a cooldown of 6m30s
shy obsidian
if something is based off of a thing you find out about later, you could start t...
imagine if the dialogue just. drastically changes depending on your story progress
worn bluff
it was a big deal for them to give gaia 10s of extra screentime if you cleared eden raids
they won't change the dialogue
shy obsidian
i wonder what an electrope-based job would be? like uh. Wicked Thunder?
shy obsidian
they won't change the dialogue
just a few expression changes, like "oh my fucking god this is electrope"
i wonder if there would be a valid reason to hide the truth of electrope from Eorzeans
amber fable
You cant use electrope elsewhere much
shy obsidian
since like. there's evidence of TWO Alexandrians in modern-ish clothing being in Ul'dah (YALL KNOW WHO)
worn bluff
rinon doing tier list of all raids. he says that he rates m11 a lot higher now compared to prog. i think i agree. outside of weapons being too long it's an overall good fight design wise
but progging i hated it
amber fable
Not that you cant..but good luck transferring it from yasulani
wicked delta
i didnt mind progging m11
but i also didnt do it blind like he did
so that would def change viewpoints
worn bluff
i think it was just annoying seeing people wipe to weapons so much
amber fable
The fight spends 4 min on same mech
amber fable
3rd floor not being padded out
wicked delta
and then its like 5 minutes of more weapons
amber fable
Challenge impossible
shy obsidian
bc its easy to wipe to
magic jobs
wicked delta
?
shy obsidian
didn't they have it the hardest during that part
amber fable
Its not hard really
shy obsidian
some patterns were apparently REALLY unfair for cast times
wicked delta
if they move late then yeah
wicked delta
it is pretty ass
but most casters have like
insta casts
they shouldnt struggle so much
worn bluff
the silliest thing in weapons isn't weapons themselves, but melees/tanks in PF not knowing how to spread out
between the weapons
wicked delta
the amount of times ive gotten killed by mt
during weapons
l m a o
I think weapon memes piss me off bc some of them are totally salvageable
If you move a lil bit for the late person then things may be okay
worn bluff
PF adjust and stand somewhere other than the raidplan challenge
wicked delta
you wouldn't get the h1 life.
ive played h1 in prog 
jolly flume
i'm so deadass though sword scythe as a caster in lp1 is like the one time ever in this game I see a pattern and go FUUUUUUUCK in my head because I just 100% have to commit sprint, a dash if I have one and two instants
fuck that shit
worn bluff
damn rinon doesn't like M4S P1 
he rated it near the bottom of all savage raids
wicked delta
even on dnc i use my dashes and still pop sprint on that pattern lol
uncut pebble
i'm so deadass though sword scythe as a caster in lp1 is like the one time ever ...
inb4 it repeats the same pattern and you dont have sprint for the next one
wicked delta
like
jolly flume
m4sp1 isn't that good a fight either
jolly flume
it's just relatively less awful than the entire rest of the tier
worn bluff
i thought it was cool
jolly flume
imo
dull drum
damn rinon doesn't like M4S P1 <:SadgePlant:1254294071305044018> he rated it ne...
i could see it yeah
jolly flume
maybe witch hunt just lost a bit of novelty value for me because I'd seen it in criterion already
worn bluff
wicked delta
wicked thunder and vamp on the same tier is crazy work
jolly flume
what is lindwurm doing in it's good
wicked delta
hes the CUTEST snake
worn bluff
i think he's also giving points for how they are to blind prog too
worn bluff
like he thought act 3 was cool to figure out
wicked delta
imo m10s gets overglazed
does it?
jade nimbus
imo m10s gets overglazed
Nah
jolly flume
10 is a solid A tier it just doesn't blow my socks off enough to warrant an S
also it rots the brain
worn bluff
m10s is good because it's partially 2 target so the opti is interesting
flat vault
p5s too high
jolly flume
p5s belongs there
worn bluff
2 target already gives interesting considerations but the fact that the bosses move apart for certain times gives you more to think about
jolly flume
hall of fame first floor
worn bluff
i do really like P12-1 and M12-2
jolly flume
12-2 has dropped from peak to normal S tier for me
rep 1 and blood mana are too slop despite how good the other two are
wicked delta
i gotta prog m12 more
worn bluff
it's a bit low on execution check but just design wise, i'd like to see more of that kind of creativity
uncut pebble
rest is whatever
i wish there was something else in p1
that or making ion cannon a bit more interesting
worn bluff
also 12-2 lets me look at my glam more
uncut pebble
yeah
worn bluff
bonus points
dull drum
i dont think adds can carry the entire fight to S
worn bluff
i appreciate 12-1 for being a good training dummy to learn jobs on
grand mesa
jolly flume
yeah it was missing another 2 fixer casts
uncut pebble
wicked delta
dying to the fixer cus we missed a mit was extremely funny
jolly flume
yea
alpine plover
aright
jolly flume
soon as the araid is out I think
worn bluff
12-1 mit checks were just "ok do you actually know how to mit things though, or do you press random buttons"
dull drum
thats how you know shit got real
jolly flume
dying to the fixer cus we missed a mit was extremely funny
lock regen healers out of the pf
one slot sch other slot sge no amount of brain damage is enough for you to die
worn bluff
the first time i tanked with a random PF tank they didn't rep any fixers
and then i asked them what they're repping and they said "i mit fixers."
wicked delta
Use Your Mitigation in M12S P1
worn bluff
and then they continued to not mit fixer
jolly flume
they mitted in their head
worn bluff
i don't want to stereotype but it was a malera WAR with an edgy name
craggy marsh
No no see they mitted the other fixer
worn bluff
they also walked onto the wrong side of the arena for act 1 and then after we wiped they ready checked like "are u guys good?"
normal blade
they also walked onto the wrong side of the arena for act 1 and then after we wi...
Average PF experience:
craggy marsh
normal blade
Its the final fight of the raid series. If it wasnt insane, it would be a disappointment
craggy marsh
Oh i love it
dreamy whale
Me trying to play any caster other than summoner
jolly flume
by that metric most final floors are disappointments
stray forge
man wth 💀
worn bluff
for rep 1 i usually can only track one of the 2 clones on my screen and then if it's the far one i use it to figure out where the close one is
craggy marsh
Tbh for me most final floors are vibe based
dreamy whale
LMAO
slender lichen
not the fetish image
stray forge
some of yall need to be studied
jolly flume
idk I just see in 25fps so sometimes the clone jumps and nothing happens in my head
gladge
dreamy whale
worn bluff
i'm sure there's some way to face my camera so i can see where both clones go
but i can usually just see one
but at least it's easy to figure out where the other one is based on that
dreamy whale
Vortexer my enemy
worn bluff
at least rep 1 is at the beginning
so the main challenge is whether people mess it up enough to tilt the rest of the party or not
craggy marsh
Tfw the fire melee baiters die in the middle and nobody speaks up on if they messed up the mech
jolly flume
the only thing that tilts me is people getting blown to africa by a defamation and then I have to wait eight seconds to raise them because SE can't spawn a body on the arena in a reasonable amount of time after it falls off
craggy marsh
It's scary at how people dont know if they actually messed up a mech or not
"I didn't die so I did it right"
jolly flume
"I didn't die so I did it right"
hold my oversampled wave cannon
dreamy whale
me when I got corpsefiller right once after failing it 8 pulls in a row
jolly flume
me when I am asked to dodge two rectangular aoes
tulip wraith
(whats corpsefiller)
tulip wraith
ohhhhhh
tulip wraith
lowkey easier than normal
daring pine
(at the very end though)
loud nymph
<:phish:688030345224126479> me when I got corpsefiller right once after failing ...
how do you fail it 8 pulls in a row
daring pine
yeah because normal has spreads which is annoying
loud nymph
genuinely asking
daring pine
why would they put spreads there
dreamy whale
how do you fail it 8 pulls in a row
im stupid
worn bluff
It's scary at how people dont know if they actually messed up a mech or not
yeah a lot of people don't really diagnose whether they messed up rep 1 or not
daring pine
you just move left and right
dreamy whale
Behold
daring pine
forward and back
worn bluff
there are also still melees that follow the "stand dead center for fire bait" thing
but that's maybe more the fault of the raid plan maker
they still haven't updated the "BRAINDEAD STAND DEAD CENTER 🤯 "
loud nymph
yeah that's the fault of the raidplan for making it sound like you have to use 0 brain cells instead of, like, 2
daring pine
there are also still melees that follow the "stand dead center for fire bait" th...
yeah then someone places aetherletting 0.01mm more south than normal and now there’s 8 DDs
worn bluff
i'm basically a prange during aetherletting since it happens during PLD 1 min so i have time to place it exactly where i want
but i might reprog as DRG so i'll probably grief it
daring pine
The concept of using eyes and going “huh that’s a bit close” and tapping the S key
worn bluff
double weave backflip and gap close, 0.1s to place it correctly
loud nymph
i'm basically a prange during aetherletting since it happens during PLD 1 min so...
same flexibility as NIN, it rules
worn bluff
it's kind of cheating. so many disengages happen during 1 min
daring pine
being the last person to get aetherletting as a ranged player is so funny for some reason
you just
stand there
worn bluff
isn't that just the entire game as prange 
sinful brook
Just uh call out yourself
dreamy whale
Cactbot vanilla when /j
worn bluff
i saw a video of someone using cactbot and they had callouts for every little thing
like why even play the game at that point
even had a voice saying "kill add" when add phase started
stray forge
my vein blew from blood draw this morning now it hurts and i look like a junkie
stray forge
wtf
uncut pebble
dnc player too is insane
wicked delta
Umm??
ocean valley
dnc player too is insane
bro
foggy hare
Hello, hello! I've got a question for any number-crunchers, and this is in regards to my sprout bootcamp team
I'm currently in the middle of crafting gear for my sprout team, and I had originally crafted them entire sets of Courtly Lover's. We're challenging M1S to M4S because they're new to raid and I thought this raid tier would be pretty great for an introduction to savage.
However, I have ran into an issue-- I didn't realize it until now, but I saw that gear doesn't sync down (unless it's a previous expansion) so we're running with HQ 770 ilvl gear on a avg ilvl 700 fight.
- || We were at Mouser 2 with 14% health left on the boss. || I'd like them to experience the fight in it's entirety, maybe at least the last mechanic before enrage hits, so I can gauge their improvement as players w/ their rotation and mechanic resolution.
- I tried to go MINE, but it made it very difficult. Missed mitigation leads to very stressful recovery and a caster death, the simplest mistakes lead to brutal wipes due to body checks (as it should've been, on release! but i don't think my team needs this kind of testing, we're not aiming for anything higher than savage)
I'm currently crafting them Archeo-Kingdom, and my question is... should I be crafting the whole gearset, or is just the weapon enough to drastically reduce the speed at which we are clearing a fight?
tl;dr the italics, whole gear or only weapon to handicap my team
deep gale
Running full 710 is going to put you in a pretty similar position to running MINE, especially on the later fights. 710 is the gear that was available and used for w1 prog of that tier.
Past that /shrug there are probably people more qualified than me to comment.
I had an extra moment, so just looking at raw damage:
(Black Mage because it was at the top of the list, all unmelded and no food)
710: 6851.14 damage / 100p, 2.46 GCD
770: 9954.42 damage / 100p, 2.40 GCD.
So VERY ROUGHLY 710 seems to be around 65-70% of the damage of 770. GCD speeds do not match and I didn't check an xivgear sim so this is ballpark numbers.
And that's also not considering the health /defensive difference.
foggy hare
Ah, that's a good point! I should check XIVGear. I have the gearset crafted for myself already, and I can probably test trying out a difference in numbers when combining Archeo Kingdom and Courtly Lover.
I do wanna put them in a similar scenario where like, finishing the fight grants them the gear to tackle on the next fights (but not having to worry about reclears for ilvl730)
Might be better off making a mix of Ceremonial w/ the Archeo-Kingdom to get like... close to 720 - 730
tough gorge
does the game not let you do MINE for older tiers from this expansion
foggy hare
It does, but aforementioned, more difficult than I had intended for my team.
tough gorge
ah
foggy hare
We're doing MINE extremes, but MINE savage may be a bit too much on the table right now with once-a-week schedule.
tough gorge
then yeah a little more ilvl could help, tho there is the augmented crafted gear that you can get
deep gale
MINE M1S is also lower stats than people ever actually did it on (available gear was 710, sync is 700 per the wiki) which doesn't really mean anything but is really funny.
tough gorge
for archeo and ceremonial
just needs a few tomes from everyone
it's 720/750 respectively
that, or gear from the alliance raids
foggy hare
I've thought on it, and I didn't want to make it an obligation for them to have to augment it on their own... let me look it up real quick, how much is needed for a full set of augmented
tough gorge
for old sets it shouldn't be that much iirc?
loud nymph
you'd still need a butt ton of mathematics tomes to augment the Archeo Kingdom sets
foggy hare
Yeah, I've checked and I'm seeing 3400 - 4000+ tomestones
loud nymph
even though the set is 2 tiers out of date
foggy hare
I'd rather not make their dailies an obligation, so it's easier to craft a mix for the ilvl rather than burn them out
tough gorge
makes sense
foggy hare
Alright! I'm decided. Thank you for the suggestions/discussion, got my brain wriggling a little bit. I'll be giving my team Ceremonial as we progress to avg out to 730 on M4S
worn bluff
yeah if it's not too expensive, i would just get full sets of a target ilvl
proven pivot
Is being dogshit in your first savage tier a rite of passage pleaseee someone tell me
worn bluff
some statics actually do reprog earlier fights to prep for week 1 savage, and they remove/change out some pieces to get to a certain ilvl
worn bluff
Is being dogshit in your first savage tier a rite of passage pleaseee someone te...
for the most part yeah. i was pretty dogshit starting out
i'm still dogshit but less so
proven pivot
Is being dogshit in your first savage tier a rite of passage pleaseee someone te...
I died during the last m9s mechanic before the stack marker and i’m whm
Caused a wipe
loud nymph
Is being dogshit in your first savage tier a rite of passage pleaseee someone te...
absolutely
worn bluff
i wouldn't beat yourself up over one mistake (i say this although i do beat myself up for it)
proven pivot
i wouldn't beat yourself up over one mistake (i say this although i do beat myse...
I’m trying not to but I cleared the fight like 6 times already idk
But playing on steam deck is challenging sometimes esp as a healer
worn bluff
sometimes it be like that
i've had times where i zone out and make a really dumb mistake on a fight i've done 10+ times
sleek moon
i caused two really stupid wipes in 12 this week, just because of not having done the other variation in too long
5 weeks of getting beta for looper, i got alpha this week
and forgot to grab a tower
and the downtime mechanic we like, always get cardinals
that run we had inter
worn bluff
i beat myself up more if i caused deaths but didn't die myself, and then it's a kill
i feel less bad if i just died alone
uncut pebble
m3s is impossible content
rain geode
Is being dogshit in your first savage tier a rite of passage pleaseee someone te...
I was ok in savage I've done so far
worn bluff
i would go back just to try the funny uptime towers
sleek moon
we never had a single clean run of m3s
wicked delta
is this this dee ess arr ive heard about
boreal pumice
eeeeeeeeee
uncut pebble
is this this dee ess arr ive heard about
reaper...
sleek moon
i got that in trial rou the otehr day and i learned when the boss aim his cones at the party, if you're standing in melee range between the cones you get hit by auto attacks
(they dont do damage)
proven pivot
i feel less bad if i just died alone
For me it’s the fact that my friends drag me every week for reclears despite me being the weakest link
Idk if they actually like playing with me or feel bad for me :impostersyndrome:
loud nymph
how you do expect to get better if you don't fail
it's ok to fuck up
it's ok to make mistakes
you won't ever get better if you don't try
worn bluff
i mean i doubt you're the only one who makes mistakes
for some people they just tend to focus on their own mistakes more, which isn't the worst thing
proven pivot
you won't ever get better if you don't try
True
Learned to use my 2mins aggressively to deal more dmg, i always forget that there’s also another healer and their job is to heal too
sleek moon
just gotta learn where you fuck up and see if you can do something different next time
wicked delta
reaper...
im sorry for my reaper crimes it will happen again
i jus got doted by a catboy lol
sleek moon
with healing there's some trial and error figuring out where to use what
or seeing if you can move cds around
loud nymph
just gotta learn where you fuck up and see if you can do something different nex...
yup exactly
wicked delta
i got that in trial rou the otehr day and i learned when the boss aim his cones ...
yeah i learned that just now as well lmfao
loud nymph
you try something you fuck it up you try again you fuck it up again etc
but eventually you learn
wicked delta
holy my gear is straight cheeks
wicked delta
i love cheeks
stray forge
farlemald
worn bluff
holy my gear is straight cheeks
now join a savage PF that didn't set ilvl req
rapid whale
wasnt there someone who did m9s unironically in that kinda gear
wind cypress
I tried running m9s with 2 pure healers once, you can go half the fight without needing a shield, but uh eventually everyone just asploded with full health
rapid whale
a raid wide well mitted is a raid wide later died to
sleek moon
3 seconds before disaster
i kinda miss nondescript busters/party stacks
people getting jumpscared when i double laser them
wind cypress
are scholar / sage bubbles det modified?
loud nymph
are scholar / sage bubbles det modified?
You mean does det boost their healing done? Yes it does
Does not affect the mitigation
deep gale
^
loud nymph
but it does affect the HoT
wind cypress
the extra health part (yellow bar)?
loud nymph
wut
rapid whale
isnt that based off the heal
loud nymph
SCH/SGE bubbles are a flat % mit
rapid whale
i think they mean sh ield
loud nymph
oh not soil or kerachole
I see
Yes det boosts that because it boosts healing potency
and shield amount is based on the amount healed
wind cypress
cool 🤔 ty
loud nymph
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random needle
This means that other buttons that boost healing power (like Fey Illumination or Dissipation) will power up those shields too, which can lead to outrageously thicc shields on the party if they go for a spreadlo
worn bluff
wasnt there someone who did m9s unironically in that kinda gear
i remember early weeks someone posted here multiple people in the same prog party with way underleveled gear
wind cypress
yeah I like dummy thicc shields
worn bluff
like people randomly decided "oh yeah i'll go do savage" with no prep
mossy eagle
The game gives basically no in game guidance to high end content
Unless you're the kind of person that actively seeks out community (and the game is more than happy to keep you insulated with trusts), it's completely possible to wander into ex or savage and be unprepared
worn bluff
that too. GCD uptime isn't even a concept even for some people who have cleared savage fights
low hearth
mb
worn bluff
out of all the people who enter savage i would guess at least 10% of them have never looked up guides on how to play their job
wind cypress
ran m9s yesterday I think, maybe day before - had a dragoon that would die 6 times per fight - at that point I'd bow out and say "think I'll study and come back later"
rapid whale
That's how you end up with cure 1 Karen's and other creatures
worn bluff
i mean some people just don't like to look up guides for games in general, which is understandable. so then when you're playing FF you have to have a friend or someone else nudge you to do that
loud nymph
ran m9s yesterday I think, maybe day before - had a dragoon that would die 6 tim...
the one thing you'll learn the more you PF is that some folks just do not have the same level of self awareness as you do
wind cypress
some groups have the patience to make up their own strats, I don't think I'm ready to devote that much time
worn bluff
i went from 2.0 to 6.2 not knowing what a GCD was and then after i stepped foot in an extreme a friend showed me xiva. it was only at that point where i tried looking up how to play the game
loud nymph
It's why I always find it funny when I see people say that they aren't good enough to do savage in pf
because guess what, that's not holding any of the pf cryptids back
worn bluff
like i straight up mashed buttons and played MSQ only for years
limpid edge
Imagine a first time msq Andy getting to the end of dawntrail and joining a savage fight cuz they think it's just a slightly harder version of normal
Blind that is
worn bluff
i mean tbf sometimes you hit sudden walls like that in other games too
deep gale
The difficulty jumps between normal / ex / savage content is pretty hilarious
Obviously the easist savage overlaps with ex but even that's just a different game than normal content
limpid edge
i mean tbf sometimes you hit sudden walls like that in other games too
You do but this time it's with other players and they expect to look at a guide
worn bluff
i remember lost ark had like a normal difficulty raid that suddenly required 4 people to soak a debuff 2s apart or you would wipe
like pretty early in the game
wind cypress
like m9s I found easier than doomtrain ext
limpid edge
What was the hardest turn 1?
deep gale
im old and washed so never listen to anything I say btw
rapid whale
The msq actively trains bad habits
limpid edge
Like a turn 1 out of the gate feels like a savage and not ex
limpid edge
P9S certainly for me cuz it was my first savage.
Limit cut took me way too long to process at first
I think I actually did p9s before any current ex synced
limpid edge
That rock breaker thing took me a while too
loud nymph
I was thinking maybe p5s but that had no mechanics aside from devour
limpid edge
I didn't know about the easy way to decipher it, I was using pure eyes
loud nymph
in both cases pf got walled at both mechs
sleek moon
i remember lost ark had like a normal difficulty raid that suddenly required 4 p...
the intro to party wipes in that game, with it getting worse as it goes lol
worn bluff
in FF14 that would be a savage level mechanic
sleek moon
that kind of fight design made lost ark more elitist/gatekeepy than any other game in the market
craggy marsh
We have people who think slow ass exaflares in dungeons is savage level mechanics
wind cypress
invisible proteons is kinda savage lol
whole estuary
?? they are, exaflares are introduced in the first savage level fight in the game
Cape Westwind
loud nymph
?? they are, exaflares are introduced in the first savage level fight in the gam...
I think their point is that exaflares are easy
limpid edge
If there multiple going different directions, I certainly take a minute to think about it
loud nymph
and therefore should not be relegated to savage
sleek moon
We have people who think slow ass exaflares in dungeons is savage level mechanic...
someone deadass replied to a 7 month old comment i made about meso terminal with this shit
loud nymph
or treated as "savage difficulty"
limpid edge
Or def lose track of one
loud nymph
someone deadass replied to a 7 month old comment i made about meso terminal with...
The burn tower takes like 3 GCDs to kill wtf is this loser on about
craggy marsh
someone deadass replied to a 7 month old comment i made about meso terminal with...
MSQ needs to be harder if we have fucking dungeon mechanics filtering people
wind cypress
something I find kinda strange about ff14 boss fights, most other games don't have towers, tethers and a bunch of decoration based warnings 🤔 just something we accept in this game, detracts from realism what little bit we had xD
craggy marsh
What is up with XIV players just not wanting to play the game and want it to be a visual novel you just sit and watch
limpid edge
Is that bad
clear plume
I mean those people dont complain ironically
craggy marsh
Is that bad
it is when they cry about dungeons being hard
worn bluff
someone deadass replied to a 7 month old comment i made about meso terminal with...
part of the issue is that so many dungeons have barely any gotcha moments that ask you to solve something or expect something other than "dodge orange", so people get stressed when they come across it
clear plume
its the people who want that but then do dailies every day anyways
that are the complainers
sleek moon
something I find kinda strange about ff14 boss fights, most other games don't ha...
it became like that because people dont want to learn/remember mechanics
worn bluff
i think if it were more prevalent, people would be more used to it
sleek moon
like this i posted
is a party stack
the boss doesnt indicate it, you have to know it
worn bluff
What is up with XIV players just not wanting to play the game and want it to be ...
i mean tbf there's nothing wrong with wanting that out of games, it's a preference thing
wind cypress
one of the dungeons that caught me off guard when I first ran it was dead ends lvl 90
worn bluff
some people prefer games to be easy
limpid edge
Or have you the wrong impression like CT teaching new players that stacking stacks is fine. And then we're greeted with classic E7N wipes
worn bluff
it's just moreso that the game does a bad job of preparing you for harder content
craggy marsh
i mean tbf there's nothing wrong with wanting that out of games, it's a preferen...
There's nothing wrong with that but don't complain when the game expects you to do something that makes you go slightly out of your comfort zone
wind cypress
what is this stuff that's moving along the ground and why am I dead? xD
sleek moon
now we have standard aoes for everything so people can react instead of learn in normal content and they still complain that its too hard
craggy marsh
it's not like XIV asks that much of people when doing dungeons
worn bluff
it's also like.. people were babied in certain aspects by the game (like EW babying melees for uptime) so just the mere idea of doing something different (like throwing 1-2 ranged attacks) makes people stress out
craggy marsh
if someone stresses out over throwing a melee attack
wind cypress
like in dungeons when a boss turns towards you specifically and sits there with a wind up animation and people still don't move 🤡 , they'll be like - where is my red cone?
craggy marsh
then idk what to say
boreal pumice
it's not like XIV asks that much of people when doing dungeons
wym they put old savage mech in dungeons , DT dungeons are super hard man 
worn bluff
there were a decent amount of melees complaining early on about having to use a ranged attack
whole estuary
like in dungeons when a boss turns towards you specifically and sits there with ...
but the game teaches this in ARR...
craggy marsh
like in dungeons when a boss turns towards you specifically and sits there with ...
"the bosses left arm is glowing! how tf was I supposed to know he was going to swing at me with his left arm!"
boreal pumice
there were a decent amount of melees complaining early on about having to use a ...
mnk , the fucks a ranged attack
worn bluff
like EW made melees expect every mechanic to have a full melee uptime solve
craggy marsh
there were a decent amount of melees complaining early on about having to use a ...
that's sad tbh
clear plume
mnk actually does p12-2 lossless better than any other melee
visual geyser
Monk has 2 range attacks that punish you for being not in melee range l o l
clear plume
r12-2*
whole estuary
Stone Vigil Hard still pops up a disturbing amount of times in roulettes like it's trying to teach people with the K.R. Rool mobs that get recycled everywhere
loud nymph
like in dungeons when a boss turns towards you specifically and sits there with ...
That one northernlion clip will never not be accurate
worn bluff
people think a few ranged attacks will tank their parse, or that they have to make really risky greeds
stray forge
stone vigil cabbage
worn bluff
just keep your GCD rolling it's fine
loud nymph
obviously not relevant to higher end shit but for normal content? Man, it really is like that
whole estuary
You have to complete Stone Vigil (Savage) to make the Stone Vigil (Hard) gear dyeable
I can't believe SQEX would gatekeep glams like this
limpid edge
I think it's less about parse, just using ranged as melee feels like poop
worn bluff
obviously not relevant to higher end shit but for normal content? Man, it really...
i mean... technically idyllic has "orange thing appears, and then later don't stand in it" too 
craggy marsh
there's nothing wrong with wanting something to be easy. But you can't complain when you ignore all the stuff the game tries to teach you and you just ignore it
Meso Terminal expecting dps to know how to target an add isn't too crazy
you're level 100
come on man
visual geyser
Dude
craggy marsh
it's okay i'm new too
wind cypress
sometimes you'll a teachable attack, the orange thing is too quick to react to - it tells you "haha you should have dodged that, what did you miss?"
craggy marsh
it's a savage level mechanic
worn bluff
i think it's more that if it's your first time you might not notice there is a targetable add
ngl i didn't notice the first time
craggy marsh
the first time yeah
whole estuary
targetable add is Hall of the Novice mechanic
craggy marsh
but after the first time you'd notice
visual geyser
Theres a part where they do the 3 fat aoes and immediately do the line aoes
stray forge
whats hall of the novice
visual geyser
It gets me everytime
craggy marsh
or are these people who expect to be perfect the first pull and get mad when they can't 1 pull everything
visual geyser
limpid edge
targetable add is Hall of the Novice mechanic
Jokes on you I skipped the hall of novice
zealous meteor
8.3 will have meso terminal 2, this time the main boss goes untargetable when the add appears
visual geyser
Was it this expansion
zealous meteor
because dps players cannot be trusted
visual geyser
Where they adjusted hall of the novice?
whole estuary
they added a new one to teach about certain common markers
zealous meteor
because dps players cannot be trusted
then again i see plenty of healers that just don't esuna their own doom. so healer players cannot be trusted either
and tanks who don't interrupt the obvious attack. so tank players can't be trusted either
worn bluff
8.3 will have meso terminal 2, this time the main boss goes untargetable when th...
metem suddenly appears "watch out challenger! that machine is trying to burn you alive!"
wind cypress
just about every dungeon boss and even raid bosses have this same pattern, -> start with AoE to tell you what the raid wide's name is going to be moving forward -> do some attack lets say cleave right -> do some attack that is the opposite -> use them together -> use them back to back -> keep adding mechanics in combo until fight is done or repeat
whole estuary
Metem should be a scion so that he can commentate every dungeon from 8.0 onward
craggy marsh
i still dont know what add ur talking about
the 2nd boss of meso terminal has the dps target an add for 3 gcds
sleek moon
then again i see plenty of healers that just don't esuna their own doom. so heal...
i remember seeing a screenshot of the healer boss still at full hp because the healer refused to dps
worn bluff
Metem should be a scion so that he can commentate every dungeon from 8.0 onward
"Oop! Not quite fast enough!" every time anyone gets hit by an AoE in the game
craggy marsh
the add gives a burn dot
zealous meteor
i remember seeing a screenshot of the healer boss still at full hp because the h...
that was like 12 hours ago in #rants
random needle
then again i see plenty of healers that just don't esuna their own doom. so heal...
"Bunboys and maleras are natural enemies. Like healers and tanks! Or healers and DPS! Or healers and other healers! Damn healers, they ruined healing!"
zealous meteor
boreal pumice
sleek moon
this was some weeks ago but not surprised it keeps happening lol
whole estuary
I've only heard Honey B's special dialogue for no one getting charmed like twice
sleek moon
that'd be the fastest kick in the west
stray forge
oh wait is this the second boss
loud nymph
oh wait is this the second boss
Yup
craggy marsh
I will never forget the person who thought the XVI event was too hard bc they didn't know how to do the dodge mechanic
loud nymph
Sylphie gaming
craggy marsh
those are the people i'm questioning why they even play the game
wind cypress
how many times do you run the lvl 100 ghost dungeon 1st boss and no one gets grabbed by a puppett add?
wicked delta
im sitting
craggy marsh
when they refuse to pay attention to things when the game breaks it down for you
boreal pumice
why arent you standing
wicked delta
broke my legs
sleek moon
yer going to jail
jolly flume
@sleek moon this new sword is broken bruh
clear plume
i think they should lock expansions behind extreme trials
sleek moon
what the hell is that
clear plume
jolly flume
no food and chen's gear isn't even maxed
worn bluff
the true gacha in this game is seeing if you get a number in flame floater
deep gale
bro is still playing endfield
clear plume
gachaslop
craggy marsh
FFXIV players be like: "Guys don't shit on me this is savage level mechanics how tf was I supposed to know what to do??"
deep gale
bro is still fighting rhodagn
whole estuary
FFXIV players be like: "Guys don't shit on me this is savage level mechanics how...
ifirt my love
stray forge
radahn?
craggy marsh
I love ifirt
loud nymph
how many times do you run the lvl 100 ghost dungeon 1st boss and no one gets gra...
Speaking of that dungeon I fucking love scaring people with the big spread aoes
loud nymph
they do nothing if you're in the right stance but it scares the shit out of people of you run towards them
sleek moon
14 garbo netcode with things that are moving
stray forge
fr dropped like 10 malms away from me and i still get clapped
sleek moon
they snapshot away ahead of where they are
loud nymph
14 garbo netcode with things that are moving
fall guys moment
limpid edge
What's more predatory? Gacha games bribing you with waifus or believing yoship's marketing speak?
random needle
They're like exaflares if you couldn't see where the actual circles are
sleek moon
but likewise you can run into them and not get hit because server side they moved past that spot 2s ago
loud nymph
I honestly think that if YoshiP and the rest of the dev team actually played on NA servers the game would not have this fuckass netcode
but their NA and EU playerbases are not real customers to them
so they don't care
sleek moon
they also alternate between running towards the furthest person -> running towards the nearest person so you can kinda cheese it like that when they lock into your position
limpid edge
Damn shame ff14 mobile not doing so well cuz their netcode looked real good by comparison
worn bluff
What's more predatory? Gacha games bribing you with waifus or believing yoship's...
one of them has pity and gives you what you want at some point
tepid briar
dt in a nutshell
"No planet threatening entities," they said. "Filler beach episode," they said. WoL grumbles and pulls out the orange fruit gummy again
whole estuary
the reason ff14 mobile is failing is because they didn't have the title screen voiced by Tataru, screeching "FAINARU FANTAJI EKUSU AI BUII" at a volume 5 times louder than the BGM
tepid briar
the game is mostly catered to china from what I heard?
deep gale
is the game even out
wind cypress
I tried the ff14 mobile companion app and saw how money hungry they were so didn't even try the mobile game
tepid briar
I honestly think that if YoshiP and the rest of the dev team actually played on ...
JP didn't get the ddos so square enix is dragging its feet
tepid briar
they snapshot away ahead of where they are
lol the swinging fall guys blades
stray forge
This word has been blocked as it is a prohibited topic in this server 
rapid whale
JP didn't get the ddos so square enix is dragging its feet
seems like any problem that doesnt affect jp is seen as 'just foreigners whining'
tepid briar
seems like any problem that doesnt affect jp is seen as 'just foreigners whining...
the whole thing about yoshi-p supposedly only adding the RMT report button
because he came to NA and saw it in chat
no clue how true it is though, but I mean...
NA and then OCE getting hit by ddos during world first shrug
random needle
the reason ff14 mobile is failing is because they didn't have the title screen v...
The EN equivalent would be having G'raha or Emet or Zenos do it
tepid briar
I'm curious whether FF14 even fits the taste of the Chinese audience though
loud nymph
JP didn't get the ddos so square enix is dragging its feet
like I know it's a kinda shitty opinion to have but it really does feel like Square only cares about the JP audience
sleek moon
NA and then OCE getting hit by ddos during world first *shrug*
i still find it funny OCE only getting hit when bald guy went to OCE
tepid briar
because there's already so much competition in that "mobile MMO" space
whole estuary
how can your mobile game be successful if everyone on the bus doesn't hear someone is playing it
tepid briar
like I know it's a kinda shitty opinion to have but it really does feel like Squ...
honestly I think that's Japanese companies in general
sleek moon
bald guy has enough haters that i wouldnt put it past them to ddos the game only when he's streaming
tepid briar
I have a friend who works for a JP game company in NA and they said the same thing
loud nymph
if any of this shit affected JP players they'd bend over backwards to solve it
tepid briar
they just look at NA as a source of revenue and a place to dump criticism on
pallid kindle
if any of this shit affected JP players they'd bend over backwards to solve it
ddos jp
tepid briar
that's just JP culture in a nutshell, still super isolationist
tepid briar
ddos jp
implying that the ddos wasn't from jp kekw
(or that the ddosers are smart enough to avoid jp tbh)
loud nymph
that's just JP culture in a nutshell, still super isolationist
I don't know enough about Japan to really make that broad of a statement but it definitely feels that way here
craggy marsh
Something something "we have our defences up for ddos during world first"
tepid briar
NA was only an hour and a half behind at 2nd place
so without the DDOS they might have won
vestal hollow
?
tepid briar
*at 2nd place for savage
pallid kindle
Something something "we have our defences up for ddos during world first"
they didnt cause there was ddos
tepid briar
Jan 7, 2026 6:27 AM
Guild logo Banana Codex defeats Lindwurm II icon Lindwurm II after 80 pulls, finishing at rank 2.
Jan 7, 2026 4:52 AM
Guild logo Lucrezia defeats Lindwurm II icon Lindwurm II, finishing at rank 1.
stray forge
do ppl actually care who gets world first
tepid briar
did JP even get ddosed who knows
vestal hollow
lucrezia is almost always guaranteed to win
pallid kindle
do ppl actually care who gets world first
people who go for it do
craggy marsh
ya wf is just a community thing for fun
tepid briar
shrug I don't see any other motivation for ddosing other than world first shenanigans
unless they really hate NA for some reason
vestal hollow
what
the ddoses have been going on for months
and it may not even be intentional ddosing just a shitty node
loud nymph
yeah the ddos was going on long before rwf
craggy marsh
ddos ramped up around a certain point and that's where we are now
but they've always been here
however it was really funny how OCE starting getting ddos after some of the NA teams when there during wf bc NA was getting ddos
craggy marsh
and it may not even be intentional ddosing just a shitty node
NTT is notoriously shitty yeah
pallid kindle
if any of this shit affected JP players they'd bend over backwards to solve it
i brought up ddos after this and then it turned into ddos discussion
wind cypress
it was really bad around savage launch but I haven't needed to use warp or anything since, hopefully it stays that way
craggy marsh
ya ddos has been around for a long time but during savage launch it was pretty bad
rapid whale
na woulda won the race without the ddos smh
they lasted longer than the gap between jp/na for world 1st
worn bluff
looks like lucrezia did same rep 2 strat as DN
did they both come up with it at the same time or did lucrezia just watch DN
versed kayak
wait this can actually happen? :D
shy obsidian
doesn't matter
tank DO YOUR THING
boreal pumice
wait this can actually happen? :D
try doing godberts move
versed kayak
we all just jumped to random places because we never saw it before so didnt have a strat lol
cleared without ever seeing it
low hearth
we gotta do something about dancer players next bro
shy obsidian
🥺
trim frost
wait this can actually happen? :D
yes that’s one of the two patterns you can get lmao
4/2/2 (4 always nw or ne) or 8 south
versed kayak
yes that’s one of the two patterns you can get lmao
fun, only saw it once out of maybe 10-ish pulls
versed kayak
not even, we were all in 740 + 745 weapon, just killed pretty quick after seeing it for the first time so I guess we didn't need many pulls
sinful brook
Yeah but 745 is still at least 2 weapon damage
Compared to 735 weapon
And the check wasn't crazy at 715
So you got a lot more to work with
The adds were rough w1 if you didn't do it right though
versed kayak
CW was 740 no?
sinful brook
Or 765 sorry yeah
Even with 730 it wasn't terrible
I clearly can no longer tell where we are in ilvl
Senility
versed kayak
740 was CW crafted :D
sinful brook
Bapple infected me
versed kayak
We mainly grabbed the 745 weapon because doing adds with crafted weapon was too precise, and people would've had that w1 anyway right
sinful brook
10 pulls through is pretty crazy from start though
sinful brook
Adds took my group ages because my war decided that primal rending to the first manta was somehow better than onslaught and then rending 8 targets
But yeah once a clean adds happens you get through really fast
trim frost
war moment...
versed kayak
Was like 200 pulls until we got past adds the first time? had some dumb desert wipes tho
trim frost
oh the 98%?
sinful brook
Yeah
trim frost
that is so unfortunate
sinful brook
I've never crit that hard in my life
sinful brook
Do you guys look at what the common pf strats were after you clear
rapid whale
sometimes pf listings is like hieroglyphs man
versed kayak
sometimes, for tea we watched the guide together afterwards
for m6s some people just checked to see when the enrage would be
I think for our adds strat the target prio isnt that different (not like theres much choice), PF just drops puddles in a different way
loud nymph
i trolled so hard......
and got so far....
but in the end, you didn't even cleaaaaarrrr
low hearth
mb
rapid whale
lol 3 death orbital is cooked
loud nymph
3 deaths on a single orbital or between the two of them combined?
wicked delta
single orbital
wicked delta
yeah like the enrage was def me trolling n then others also dying
those who didnt die to orbital just ate dd
so
ohwell
its time to prog m12s
loud nymph
<a:happy:1140466824543211672>
wicked delta
worn bluff
orbital death is the good old "i dodged wrong and now i'm in the safe spot but i'm going to panic dodge again"
tulip wraith
woah....
tulip wraith
thats not him......
loud nymph
orbital death is the good old "i dodged wrong and now i'm in the safe spot but i...
Or the classic "oops, I miscounted and thought the mechanic was over"
low hearth
mossy eagle
Or the classic "oops, I miscounted and thought the mechanic was over"
My b
trim frost
m11n
both healers + rdm die to split platform
"ok now tanks need to invuln towers"
bard walks into the tower and dies instantly
????
rapid whale
wat
trim frost
we still cleared bc tanks goated and dp picto goated
rapid whale
oh the pseudo enage
rapid whale
lmao no
trim frost
it does fucking no damage just like the double line in m8n lmao
oh also bard managed to eat a vuln during every greatsword cross somehow
rapid whale
every day you will be reminded the median xiv player is much worse than you believe
trim frost
🔥
wicked delta
worn bluff
>m11n
>both healers + rdm die to split platform
>"ok now tanks need to invuln to...
i should remember to hit my TTP macro in normal mode next time
and see if anyone recognizes it
wind cypress
and this is why I can't be a healer, 3 dps parse and 98 heal parse on m9s, back to my tank lol
trim frost
gulp
true beacon
And what was the other healer doing
wind cypress
22+k dps, barely used any ogcds
white mage lol
guess they were like, you got the healing I'll just glare
dreamy whale
hi endgame lounge
wicked delta
first time i pulled out the tyfp
boreal pumice
first time i pulled out the tyfp
wicked delta
new blacklist
dreamy whale
Cooked
wicked delta
i wanna rant so much but if i express my true feelings ill get a 72 hr mute
valid solar
i wanna rant so much but if i express my true feelings ill get a 72 hr mute
dm me I wanna read it
low hearth
new blacklist
mb
rapid whale
Yeah it's usually nerves that get people during idyllic
tulip wraith
we usually would have had an extra hour but one of people had to leave early
if we got that extra hour ez clear today, so time crunch made nerves even worse
worn bluff
balance gone again
sinful brook
Mb
worn bluff
everyone freestyle your rotation now
rapid whale
gg niko banned
dapper zealot
prepull hallowed
dull drum
Yeah it's usually nerves that get people during idyllic
you know what gets me during idyllic
the snorefest
craggy marsh
Okay I think for sure I have idyllic down without needing to panic
rapid whale
have u done the solo sim
craggy marsh
joined a few prog parties just to prep myself
ya
did the sime for like
2 days straight
rapid whale
nice
craggy marsh
(not literally 2 whole days)
rapid whale
just lmk when you wanna go in ahead of time so i dont plan anything
craggy marsh
okie
dull drum
shouldnt be too bad with the macros set up
and then if you dont remember you can always sheep for the 50/50 
tulip wraith
alright time to study FT
loud swift
i think my raid group just disbanded💀
visual geyser
Go in there without knowing how to do fireball and snowball phase
Trust me
Raid will love you for it
And if you get to magitaur DO NOT learn holy lance
loud swift
i think my raid group just disbanded💀
well guess i pf for m10
@sinful brook i had no idea you don't pop 1m during bubble 💀 ty for telling me
sinful brook
yeah its okay
loud swift
everyone else in my group was so
sinful brook
its fine to send if you need to to kill bubble but generally its not really needed
sinful brook
melee lb3 as a last resort isn't bad too
because holding 1m and 2m until the bosses comes back lets you pot and dump cleave into both bosses
loud swift
yeah its good damage
sinful brook
like your party only has to do 10% of the bubble
so theoretically doable without it
shy obsidian
will this net peeps in, I wonder?
visual geyser
Doubt it
But I mean fresh or not you can intuit a lot of what happens in advance pretty quickly
versed kayak
only really need to decide where people go when it's spreads and you have forced march
otherwise you can just kinda wing the entire thing
tepid briar
swordmaster moment
versed kayak
do it with two people so it's even easier
worn bluff
the hardest thing is figuring out what to call the blue thing
daring pine
the blue thing
versed kayak
ah yes, the blue thing
no clue what you're refering to and I've done it a few times
wind cypress
me and a friend ran a bunch of advanced duos but he dipped after trying to pf m11s, I need another account so I can just solo it
or .. gulp socialize
worn bluff
no clue what you're refering to and I've done it a few times
the animals
versed kayak
oh those
shy obsidian
So im confused about the part where the Pari goes spinny in one place
versed kayak
So im confused about the part where the Pari goes spinny in one place
it's always the same pattern, iirc it's just move, stay, move, stay
while passing the tether around after it goes off once
trim frost
i imagine it's supposed to be harder in criterion but yeah advanced just alternates like that
more specifically it'll be like left right right left or vice versa
you might be able to tank invuln like 2-3 tethers but i haven't tried
a la raining cats
fiery jewel
i imagine it's supposed to be harder in criterion but yeah advanced just alterna...
still the same patterns I believe, just near / far baits added on.
the near & far baits are completely random order though.
and the tether goes through tank invuln I believe, at least it does in advanced.
trim frost
oh darn
fiery jewel
will this net peeps in, I wonder?
You should just put a clear party or even farm.
You don't really need to prog it, you will clear in one lockout if you have raid experience.
trim frost
you can probably clear in less than 30 mins tbh
fiery jewel
yeah ppl overexaggerate how difficult advanced is
but the tether pass that is legit body check even in advanced which is wild lol
if all 4 ppl have rez & cure though it's very hard to actaully wipe with a healer
fiery jewel
the mechanics are legit extreme territory, at least some of them.
but the rez / cure actions make it chill
even criterion you can kinda zombie because the dps checks are tuned like savage week 1
tulip wraith
alright time to study FT
ezpz
fiery jewel
forked tower
tulip wraith
yeah
shy obsidian
I'M RICH
just 30 more until I can get a shiny weapon that many others have suffered and died for :)
fiery jewel
I think if you have a good duo that's the best way to farm advanced but you both have to do a lot of dps.
tank + selfish dps ideally
sleek moon
if they use the same modifiers as the previous variant/criterion, party damage is increased if there are buff jobs present
slender lichen
on mutating cells are purple + ball and orange + ring always together
like is it possible to get ball + orange
or is it always purple + ball
jolly flume
they're always paired yes
sleek moon
slender lichen
ok so i only need to look at one of them
clear plume
chiyo why didnt u join for league
slender lichen
it would be a slight problem if chariot and dynamo went off at the same time
im talking about point blank + orange
obviously the point blank and donut cant be together
sleek moon
yeah woulda been funny if the horizontal/vertical aoe was random as well
but maybe they thought it was too much
fiery jewel
if they use the same modifiers as the previous variant/criterion, party damage i...
yeah this is notable but it's not enough especially if duo
worn bluff
ok so i only need to look at one of them
it's always green+orange or blue+purple that you need to pop
i just think of it as bluish or not bluish
and then the first safe spot is where the bluish stuff goes in last
fiery jewel
I just realized something interesting. Does this mean Melee & PhyR damage dealers that have magic actions strength doesn't work for those?
Because it says only Physical damage for strength stat.
worn bluff
I just realized something interesting. Does this mean Melee & PhyR damage dealer...
i'm guessing this is just a misleading tooltip
from balance:
Tanks currently use Grade 4 Gemdraught of Strength.
Note that strength affects both physical and magical skills for tanks.
slender lichen
also what causes a double bait on on the very first mech on m12sp2
like someone stood wrong but how tho
worn bluff
can be a bunch of things
slender lichen
we're all in our relative spots
worn bluff
any one person can cause proximity baiting issues, since every person is contributing to a bait
novel garden
from balance:
> Tanks currently use Grade 4 Gemdraught of Strength.
> Note tha...
Remembers being an idiot in LHW and accidentally was using pots of Intel on mnk because I didn't put my str pots back on the hot bar lol
worn bluff
would probably have to look at a replay or vid to see who stood wrong
make sure melees in center are slightly towards fire clone, and not dead center
slender lichen
they weren't dead center
they were slightly apart like how clock spots are supposed to be
worn bluff
do you have the tomestone or fflog replay?
or screenshot of where everyone was standing
slender lichen
fiery jewel
also what causes a double bait on on the very first mech on m12sp2
rep 1 baits are more tight than ppl think
the braindead stand middle strat did a lot of harm to pf
that screenshot idk
I think if dark was on 2 it prob hit both gnb and vpr
fiery jewel
vpr is standing in the wrong spot kinda o bait
I assume 2 clone just hit them both
vpr is a bit too close
daring pine
oh cerb you got the reclear
fiery jewel
but idk it looks like pct and gnb should get hit
slender lichen
too close to what
fiery jewel
but that's the only issue I really see with that lineup
well I think VPR & PCT are both slightly off their spot
PCT should be closer to 2 probably where the lines intersect
VPR a bit past the line intersect
idk if that screenshot is the exact snapshot that's prob the issue
since the baits they snapshot on ppl when the cast bar finishes I believe
slender lichen
im 90% sure we were all standing still in those exact spots until the aoes dropped
fiery jewel
if you're in a group I would just tell pct / vpr to adjust a bit more since they are a bit off where they should be compared to everyone else
slender lichen
adjust to where
slender lichen
is max melee fine cause ive just been doing that
fiery jewel
ya
slender lichen
max melee and slightly on one side