#endgame-lounge

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verbal frost
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but hector only showed one version of the lightning spread.

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Shit happens.

jagged aspen
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idk how can people have trouble with support left dps right

daring pine
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as a caster i was fine but i saw a lot of melee memes

verbal frost
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Yeah I don't know how to really explain it.

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Not that part

jagged aspen
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you have 3 business days to wait for puddles to disappear and casually walk to your spot

verbal frost
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It's when it's fire / lightning

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People use Hector

daring pine
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yeah

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so did i

verbal frost
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but if you watch the hector vid, he only showed one spread.

jagged aspen
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oh yea the spreads kill people in pf like 50% of the time

zealous meteor
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this guy called Limit Break kinda sucked tbh

daring pine
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oh right

verbal frost
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Toxic Raidplan has the full guide.

daring pine
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yeah

verbal frost
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u just gotta watch it to see it

daring pine
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i didn't realise there were multiple lightning spreads until a couple pulls in

zealous meteor
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345k damage over an entire fight? smh

daring pine
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i was like

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hold on a minute

verbal frost
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ye

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so he only showed one spread for the melees

jagged aspen
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ppl also randomly go blind on fire stacks and just stand in the lasers

verbal frost
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the melee spreads are already very tight

daring pine
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yeah

verbal frost
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so you had people pvping in pf early on

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it was rough.

daring pine
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when m5s dropped and melees kept pvping on spotlights

verbal frost
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That fight was fun actually.

jagged aspen
daring pine
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oh it was pretty fun yeah

verbal frost
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I probably ranked it too low.

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Honestly the only fight I'm not huge on is m7s.

daring pine
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feels more like a dance than a fight but i guess that's the point

verbal frost
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The fights are all mostly good. I just think the only exceptional ones are the second floors so far.

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I don't think that will change.

robust shoal
verbal frost
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I think M10S is going to be the tag team boss.

random needle
verbal frost
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It will probably be the best fight in this tier, I imagine.

robust shoal
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My static did diagonal spotlight :^)

verbal frost
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Is it just me? They seem to cook on second floors every time?

rain geode
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I liked M5S that fight was fun

verbal frost
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P10S was awesome also.

robust shoal
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M2S wasn't bad but I liked M4S more

verbal frost
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m2s was fucking lit

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ppl underappreciate it

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there was so much drama when it was on content

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It was super entertaining.

versed kayak
verbal frost
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m3s also kind of.

torn mesa
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M2S is bad; repetitive

verbal frost
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Like it's impressive honestly

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that my least favorite fight in the first tier is M1S

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since it's a very well done fight.

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Well

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the final parts are a bit shitty

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but you skip it anyways, who cares.

jolly flume
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m1s is my second favorite fight in LHW; 2 and 3 blew dick 105_ICANT

verbal frost
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Clear on like mouser 2 or party stinks.

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I liked 2 a lot honestly.

wicked delta
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I’ll blow you to smithereens

verbal frost
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But it's like a true pf experience

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you had to be in PF to experience it

jolly flume
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not for being catgirls

robust shoal
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I never saw raining cats done correctly

rain geode
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I like the catgirls

jolly flume
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their fights just suck less

verbal frost
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Some of the mechs on M2S were fucking wild

rain geode
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meow

verbal frost
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Alarm Pheromones, with PF tanks?

robust shoal
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Catgirl cute

zealous meteor
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i HATE catgirls. they should all be lalas instead

wicked delta
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Lizzer cute

zealous meteor
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the catboys should become femras

verbal frost
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M3S was honestly pretty chill

jolly flume
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on god where are the femras

wicked delta
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Not in S9

verbal frost
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M3S could've had a harder dps check, that's really all I would change.

jolly flume
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and this is why alexandria sucks

rain geode
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Im the cutest

robust shoal
zealous meteor
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howling blade but he's a femra
exact same voice though

verbal frost
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But it's probably the hardest check already anyways.

sick dirge
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alarm pheromones πŸ’” fucking hated progging m2s solely because of that

verbal frost
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I think M3S check was like 140k or something.

wicked delta
verbal frost
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this shit was wild in pf

sick dirge
verbal frost
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you had people trying this strat bro

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it was some wild shit.

wicked delta
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Why is this 10 year old hacking into government properties

zealous meteor
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i hope they'll be okay

wicked delta
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Wicked Thunder dies next patch

verbal frost
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It's an okay strat, but people were too dumb to do it.

wicked delta
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Sorry for spoiling yall

verbal frost
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I think next tier is pretty obvious.

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Can we talk about it here yet?

robust shoal
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Eutrope and Neyuni are gonna make it out alright Prayge

zealous meteor
sick dirge
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do not kill off neyuni

pine holly
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I hated Alarm Pheromones

rain geode
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no way neyuni doesnt

sick dirge
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leave that girl alone

rain geode
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my breath isnt held for anyone else

zealous meteor
sick dirge
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she has a long life ahead of her

robust shoal
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I mean Yaana gonna be fine too but she's a little less pressed rn

zealous meteor
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neyuni and eutrope got kidanpped

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catnapped

wicked delta
robust shoal
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Actually ig Yaana is terminally ill too

zealous meteor
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wait yeah she is

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don't kill my emotional support cats

jolly flume
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nothing a little soul chemo can't fix

sick dirge
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going, going, gone

pine holly
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Probably the only reason pf stuck to Mario Kart was because when Hector made his video there wasn't a strat he liked

wicked delta
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Soul chemo 😭

jolly flume
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you can't make a strat for a mechanic that boils down to random aoe spam lol

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you can try but in the end it's just dodge

robust shoal
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I did the triangle strat in a pf and it worked pretty well

verbal frost
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I defintely think the Elezen Dragoon is M9S. Might have a bat or succubus transformation.

The tag team beach boys are M10S. This seems like the appropiate spot. You don't want to put a double boss as a first impression. Second floor is for experiments.

The Heavyweight champion is M11S. No clue what he can be, but this is obviously his spot.

M12S not sure tbh, can be many things. The safe bet is it being the President.

I think the whole plot is "staged." It's a core pillar of wrestling. People might dislike it, but I'm all for it. They can make some moments real also.

robust shoal
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And my static sent ranged out and melees sit mid and it was still better than mario kart

jagged aspen
jolly flume
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we did box/uptime/whatever you wanna call it plenty of times and it's still

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just dodge

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although mk is definitely the worst option of the bunch

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that shit is dog

robust shoal
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Elezen is gonna be succubus mommy 100%

zealous meteor
verbal frost
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The elezen dragoon is for sure Succubus.

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or something like that.

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I usually prefer Viera's, but she's looking good.

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I guess those two races are similar though.

verbal frost
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I'm hoping they put a lot of effort into the 3rd floor this time.

rain geode
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M11S better be "brute bomber is back from the dead for a revenge match"

verbal frost
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no

zealous meteor
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yes

verbal frost
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I like brute bomber

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but m3s was way better than m7s

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m7s is not fun be serious

zealous meteor
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m11 should have a brute zomber cameo AT LEAST

verbal frost
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they had us doing the bili bili strat in pf, for two fucking weeks.

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It's not fun.

sick dirge
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leave my guy brute bomber alone 😭 πŸ™

jolly flume
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what does a strat have to do with the objective qualities of a fight

jagged aspen
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The Heavyweight champion is M11S. No clue what he can be, but this is obviously his spot.
Where hector

verbal frost
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Finally get to P3? One of your ranged is dying when the vines expand.

sick dirge
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he doesnt need to be rezzed and beaten up for the third time

verbal frost
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IDK

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I don't think the fight is awful tbf Chiyo

dapper zealot
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The president infuses Hector's soul into the rtx building

sick dirge
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fear

verbal frost
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tbh

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it was my favorite fight to parse for a while

pine holly
verbal frost
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well not really parse

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just clear

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but as the tier went on, m7s and m8s got way worse in pf.

jolly flume
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idk m3s is just my least favorite fight of this expansion by a pretty wide margin

verbal frost
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Why m3s?

jagged aspen
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i love parsing when im stuck out of range for a minute

dapper zealot
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We have to fight the rtx building or else

jolly flume
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that shit felt like p11s minus the body checks minus the good vibes minus the cool voice lines

verbal frost
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M3S was chill honestly.

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It had some unique mechanics.

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Like that knockback tower shit.

pine holly
verbal frost
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Fusefield.

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The fusefield memes were fun, with the snake prio.

jagged aspen
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fusefield is the one with 8 fuses right?

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what was the one with weird overlapping bomb donuts

verbal frost
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M7S is that fight where you are either going to one pull it, or take 10 fucking hours because a healer dies in p3 every time.

jolly flume
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fusedown

verbal frost
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Fuse down.

pine holly
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Yeah that was the one part in pf that took a while

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Once you were past that the fight was pretty much done

verbal frost
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M7S issue was that

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if a ranged dies in p2 or p3 the fight is over

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there's no recovering unless one of your melees are a god.

pine holly
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If one or people died in M7 the dps check got pretty tight

verbal frost
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It's a hard body check. It's just not fun.

jagged aspen
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i think ive seen a tank recover once

verbal frost
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Especially as a melee.

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You just have to watch your ranged fuck the fight up for everyone.

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You're basically praying.

jagged aspen
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it also sucks since theyre out of healing range usually

verbal frost
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And I healed that fight so I can talk

pine holly
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I really hated that bit in the final phase where the adds spawned in p3.

verbal frost
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Idk If I cleared tho

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but I did heal it

jagged aspen
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so 7.3 makes sense alot

verbal frost
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πŸ˜‚

jagged aspen
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with range buffs

rain geode
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ugh seperate leveling systems the bane of my existence

verbal frost
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That fight was honestly not possible to clear unless I got a 90+ parse every time.

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The dps check was actually hard in pf early on.

pine holly
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I constantly had to throw a tank mit on the healer cause I had a hard time grabbing the add next to them from where I was taking the stack until after that resolved

verbal frost
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Because people took so many damage downs.

pine holly
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I was so burned out from m6

verbal frost
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I think that fight had a dps check of like 183k or something

jagged aspen
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well its the first fight with 50% dd

verbal frost
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It was respectable

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50% dd?

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wtf

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I thought it was 25%

jagged aspen
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m7 is 50% isnt it

pine holly
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Oof

jolly flume
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im pretty sure its not 50

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but idk

torn mesa
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M8S was 50

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M7S was like 35-40

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don't remember exact value

jagged aspen
verbal frost
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idk why my best log was on dragoon

jagged aspen
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ok not 50 mb then

verbal frost
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I played it like twice in that fight.

jagged aspen
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drg > rpr ig

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if your 94 beats a 97

verbal frost
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DRG just has that nice aoe burst during p1

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it's perfect timing

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rpr normal enshroud aoe is pretty shit

jagged aspen
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yea i hated that part, adds so much rng to your parse

verbal frost
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yeah but I think we need more stuff like it.

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More disengage mechs in general honestly.

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Hopefully this tier.

remote gate
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yes

jagged aspen
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you mean full downtime, or just melee downtime

torn mesa
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there's like

verbal frost
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this is wild

torn mesa
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2 disengage mechanics in all of CW

verbal frost
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I always thought it was 25%, tbh.

jagged aspen
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they dont even show you what your crit/det etc does and youre asking for debuff values πŸ˜‚

verbal frost
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I was still pretty noob for CW, so my m8s experience was just me faithfully progging instead of prog skipping

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it was pretty bad, not gonna lie.

daring pine
jagged aspen
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heres an item with 587 determination
determination makes you hit harder, by an unspecified amount
???

jolly flume
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you can just read the dd value off a damage event in the log

verbal frost
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I just learned you have to prog skip sometimes because people will hold you back very much.

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o

jagged aspen
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does ingame combat log list that?

jolly flume
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probably not lol

verbal frost
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Shit was pretty awful, to be honest.

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I was trapped in P1 for a long time.

jagged aspen
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but if youre going into fflogs for it, then you might as well just check wiki

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unless its day 1 ig

torn mesa
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wiki can be wrong

jolly flume
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well yeah that was the idea

jagged aspen
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(assuming logs are even working on day 1)

pine holly
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I prog skipped a decent amount in pf as long as I knew for a fact that I was doing the mechanic right

torn mesa
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Chiyo

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you already know what I'm going to say

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about prog lying

verbal frost
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This is definitely my biggest flex raiding so far.

pine holly
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But now passport checking is more common so mileage may vary

versed kayak
jolly flume
torn mesa
pine holly
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I only hate you for prog lying if you're bad

verbal frost
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I'm sorry but you have to prog lie to an extent.

torn mesa
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and this fails to account for whether you had buffs

verbal frost
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If you can actually do the mechanics.

jagged aspen
verbal frost
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If you can't do the mechanics, and prog skip and trap people, you are the problem.

torn mesa
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yaeh see the flaw with your statement is

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that if part

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is almost never true

verbal frost
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Yeah just depends on the player right.

torn mesa
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no I mean 99.9% of players who prog lie

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can't do the mechanics on their first try

verbal frost
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If you have like a grey parse tank prog skipping in m6s

random needle
verbal frost
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It might not be great.

jolly flume
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the circle of people who prog lie and the circle of people who can actually prog lie without griefing differ in size by a factor of 100

verbal frost
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But if you have a good dps prog skipping add phase

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yeah they will get shit done probably.

jolly flume
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the problem is everyone thinks they're in the second circle

verbal frost
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Just depends, PF is wild to be honest.

jolly flume
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"I only fucked up one out of ten pulls!" yeah and that's kinda awful consistency wise

torn mesa
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it's also how you release terrorists into totem groups for ultimate

verbal frost
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depends on when you wiped the party honestly

jolly flume
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lol the people we've been freeing lately

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are insane

jagged aspen
torn mesa
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I don't care when you wiped the party, I care if you are able to consistently reach the prog point

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and again, the overwhelming majority of prog skippers cannot

verbal frost
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Yeah.

jagged aspen
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but when everyone in the party is failing one in 10 then yea

verbal frost
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Really depends on like when you die.

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If you die in a non-existent mech who really cares.

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If you die on a body check mechanic, what are you doing?

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Unless you are clearing.

torn mesa
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even if you die on a "non-existent" mech, you are making the check harder

verbal frost
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If someone dies during diamond dust slide in FRU, nobody really cares.

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Mistakes happen

torn mesa
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you are adding extra mental load to the healer to raise and heal you

jagged aspen
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unless that someone is a healer

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oh wait the slide, yea

verbal frost
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but if it's CT prog and you are trolling on UR and APOC

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yeah what are you doing in the party.

jagged aspen
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what do u mean, every CT prog is apoc cleanup

verbal frost
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FRU taught me how to prog skip.

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P3 prog is just light rampant prog. P4 prog is just UR prog. P5 prog is Apoc / Darklit prog.

torn mesa
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you're basically explaining why PF prog is so bad

jagged aspen
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and delta prog is panto cleanup, apparently

torn mesa
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people prog skip -> you want to prog skip -> you're now part of the problem

jolly flume
visual geyser
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Fuck this game

verbal frost
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It's the people who just blindly prog skip

visual geyser
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Who’s gonna play midnight

verbal frost
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Like who don't care about the other ppl

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that are the issue

visual geyser
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We back on wow

random needle
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If everyone in the party has a 1/10 chance of failing a mechanic (and we assume failing a mechanic means you're wiping), then in like... In DSR for example, let's say there's 2 mechanics in p2, p3, and p5, and two for p4 and transition together. That's 8 mechanics, with 8 people, means there's a (1 - 0.1)^64 = 0.1% chance you get to p6

pine holly
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If I know for sure I ain't fucking up and I'm consistent I'm going to the next mechanic. It saves my sanity

verbal frost
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some ppl in pf literally just play for themselves

jagged aspen
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like, ones that if they join pf you know its clearing

torn mesa
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I don't care how you prog skip, I don't even care whether you do it or not. I only care if you can actually reach the prog point consistently.

verbal frost
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like ppl literally don't care if they troll and wipe you

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they have god complex or something.

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If you question them, they will start throwing a tantrum.

torn mesa
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if everyone in the group is 95% consistent at reaching the prog point

verbal frost
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Or they will just instant leave which is fine ig.

torn mesa
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which is a pretty high bar as the fight goes on longer

verbal frost
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I prefer people who can just take accountability and realize they need to leave.

torn mesa
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you still only see your prog point 2/3 pulls

verbal frost
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I've done that a few times.

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my FRU prog chart is so cursed

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let me show it haha

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like 50% of my pulls were p2 wipes

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Was some wild shit, lmao.

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I was barely getting actual prog, ppl just kept wiping on LR or UR.

jagged aspen
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not as cursed as this

verbal frost
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But I don't want to rant that much, it's a bad look.

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I like PF at the end of the day. It's a fun place.

verbal frost
torn mesa
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I always find it funny how people complain about how slow their PF is.

jolly flume
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it's like inevitably the case that every time I'm helping someone and there's a prog skipper in the party they get caught by the gotchas of whatever mechanic they prog lied past

torn mesa
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and fail to realize how low the bar is for finding a static to be better than PF.

verbal frost
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Looks like a Watashia progression chart

jolly flume
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pf ultimate prog is a house of cards held up only by the existence of sims

vast jacinth
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Like my ex static had 500 pulls and still was at DD

jagged aspen
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its from EU, that guy is a legend

verbal frost
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Actually Watashia cleared FRU pretty fast.

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They are just famous for DSR I think.

jagged aspen
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how do you even read the chart, how do you tell what % correlates to which phase

vast jacinth
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And i killed fru with 1400 pulls? Completely so pf took me 900 pulls roughly

verbal frost
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It's hard to read, that's the issue.

vast jacinth
jagged aspen
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at least if someone cleared in relatively few pulls you can mouse over the chart to see the tooltips, but with 4000 its impossible

vast jacinth
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Exactly

versed kayak
verbal frost
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You can tell a lot of my pulls were early wipes because it's like 1100 pulls but only 70 hours

jagged aspen
versed kayak
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although when you constantly see the same hp % you can kinda tell which phase it was

terse zodiac
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They mark out the % to health of each phase somewhere on the website

verbal frost
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That's like... 3 minutes and 36 seconds a pull. Pretty awful

verbal frost
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4000 for FRU. It gets to a point where that guy might actually be the issue.

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But at least they cleared so good for them.

thin tartan
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Oh

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I know you

jolly flume
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might?

verbal frost
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Definitely possible they were mostly doing clean pulls, but pretty low chance.

daring pine
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chiyo

jolly flume
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as the saying goes: if everything smells like shit, it's time to check the bottom of your shoe

thin tartan
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Arent you the guy that wouldnt stop talking about endgame content in novice networks for some reason

daring pine
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chiyo i saw p2

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it's not over

zealous meteor
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"do i suck at the game?"
"no. it's the pf shitters who are wrong"

verbal frost
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Back in the day, yes.

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I've moved on to the appropriate channels.

thin tartan
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good thing

jolly flume
daring pine
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pray for me chiyo

verbal frost
daring pine
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and there will be 7 femras at your doorstep tomorrow

verbal frost
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P2 is really not that bad

daring pine
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yeah i've heard

verbal frost
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it's just a choke check.

daring pine
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something something

verbal frost
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Focus on understanding the mechanics though.

daring pine
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the issue is people getting past p1

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oh yeah absolutely

verbal frost
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They aren't really that complex.

sinful brook
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C41 marce when

daring pine
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lou was literally talking about this

vast jacinth
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Would helo

verbal frost
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Understand how UV works, and you can already do like half the phase.

vast jacinth
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But dsr time

daring pine
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uv not hard

verbal frost
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Not really, yeah.

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P2 is cool.

daring pine
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it is pretty cool

verbal frost
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What really killed the fight for me is HB2.

daring pine
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wiped on the second quake 3 because one person was dead but

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it's cool so far

verbal frost
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It's a lame mechanic where you can just eat a damage down if you are scared.

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Hero's Blow should be a one shot halfroom cleave.

daring pine
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is there a difference between hb1 and hb2

thin tartan
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No

verbal frost
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HB1 is a free mechanic

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it's basically a tell to let you know it's a thing.

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HB2 is the penultimate mechanic in the fight before UV4. So it's probably the hardest part of the phase.

daring pine
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i see

verbal frost
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Even then, if you get the cursed platform, you can litreally just cheese the mechanic.

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People do it in PF all the time.

daring pine
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well im definitely looking forward to my prog tonight

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if people don't grief p1 so i can actually get p2 prog in

verbal frost
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Not sure if you will understand this yet, but I'll explain rq since it's good to know.

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Every time HB2 happens, 1 platform has a cursed pattern.

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The cursed platform in this picture is MT. He usually targets one of the solo players.

daring pine
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right

verbal frost
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MT has to dodge HB2 and then meet with the NW party for the UV4 Conga.

jagged aspen
verbal frost
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The issue is you can only move one platform during this mechanic.

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Dodging to NW platform immediately is bad since it's not safe right now.

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You have to go to South platform to dodge, and then run back to NW to meet up for the conga.

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Hector shows it in the vid also.

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The thing is, Hero's Blow doesn't one shot. As long as you don't get hit by both the Pneuma and Cleave, you live.

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So if you are scared and want to clear just eat the damage down and go to your conga. Check isn't hard anyways. Better than dying.

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But it's a rare chance you get the cursed pattern, but it's fun actually doing it correctly.

jagged aspen
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Then you have NA pf that blows melee lb at start of p3 and then wipes to uv4 without lb 😐

verbal frost
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UV is very recoverable even if one is dead ppl just have to eyeball or sac

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the only like real hard check is Quake everytime

jagged aspen
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its usually more than 1

verbal frost
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and twofold obviously

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Like if you don't have 4 in quake stack I think it's death everytime

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It scales weird

jagged aspen
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i mean, failing to spread uv is at least 2 deaths

verbal frost
#

so healer sac might be good idea for prog

#

ye

#

P2 is just very cheesable if people are smart

jagged aspen
#

and usually more than 2 because panic

verbal frost
#

the only mech you can really wipe the party on is Twofold

#

since twofold requires absolute perfection.

jagged aspen
#

but people send melee lb even if damage is clearly not an issue

verbal frost
#

ye

#

It's a cool phase.

#

I just really wish HB one shotted.

#

At least the non-tanks.

jagged aspen
#

thats rude

#

to non tanks

verbal frost
#

Like maybe they could make it so you live with pro-active healer mits.

#

So it's healer skill expression.

#

Like 250k dmg or something

jagged aspen
#

its not an ult, healers need to press glare and have a good time

verbal frost
#

so if a healer is actually different they will save you.

#

But that would have made the fight way harder

#

I don't think the Pneuma's should one shot, that makes no sense.

#

But the big ass half room cleave, 100%.

jagged aspen
#

pneumas are easy to avoid though, cleave is harder

#

so makes sense that they do more?

verbal frost
#

Good fight though. Only issues I really had were the Add Phase and Hero's Blow.

verbal frost
#

so if u are just lazy u can eat damage down as long as you don't get hit by both.

jolly flume
jagged aspen
#

oh, pneumas are the in/out? i thought you meant the lasers on uv

verbal frost
#

there's a lot of pneuma stuff

#

but the in / out during heroes blow, yeah.

jagged aspen
jolly flume
#

on what LMFAO

verbal frost
#

If champion circuit mechs were one shot

#

the fight would be way haarder

jolly flume
#

there is no way one holos kills you

jagged aspen
#

CT i think

verbal frost
#

since ppl royally fuck that up

jolly flume
#

idk eu mit

#

where in ct

#

would that ever matter

jagged aspen
#

just before cast

jolly flume
#

you died to the castbar damage????

#

nahhhhhh bro

jagged aspen
#

😑

thin tartan
#

CASTBAR DAMAGE?

verbal frost
#

Lol I just found the doc where I sucessfully predicted 7.0 msq.

#

Nostalgia.

jolly flume
#

unmit 170k that's literally a shield and 10%

#

yall gotta have missed like

#

at least two other things

#

aint no way

verbal frost
#

just spreadlo

torn mesa
#

I've seen people die to the stack after knockback

#

but the CT cast

#

☠️

jolly flume
#

stack after knockback is certified bring an astro moment I fear

verbal frost
#

My first p5 pull ever was a instant wipe to the first fulgent blade.

#

That was fun.

jolly flume
#

noble how much hp do you have in fru again

#

dps is like 140 or smth right

torn mesa
#

161k I think

jolly flume
#

jesus CHRIST how tf do you die to 170k

torn mesa
#

163k if I don't use BiS

verbal frost
jagged aspen
verbal frost
#

Good times. Good times.

#

oh is that video glitching? Odd.

jolly flume
#

given, I don't know what the eu plan says

#

but like

#

this is a fight where partner stacks are a suggestion and light party stacks are optional

#

so to say that the healing requirements are tight outside of one spot in CT is just lying ngl

verbal frost
#

I'm a fan of when major mechanics have initial raidwides that hit very hard.

#

It's pretty cool.

jagged aspen
#

Yea I checked, both addle and feint were missing

verbal frost
jolly flume
#

you know how you make pandora feel like a real ultimate final phase

#

melee lb3 box

verbal frost
#

She should have just used the primals or something

jolly flume
#

now you actually have to heal

verbal frost
#

Well honestly they should have had a Tree phase which used the primals

#

what does that mean?

jagged aspen
#

more like, now you have to fight fatebreaker

verbal frost
#

Fight shoulda started with Shiva, honestly.

jolly flume
#

livable if you play the good healers

thin tartan
verbal frost
#

Eden Tree phase would've been peak.

#

That's like my fav normal still.

#

that or p11

pine holly
#

I remember doing m5 and we had this shield healer that didn't shield the entire fight

verbal frost
#

shield healers are the guiltiest parsers.

#

Especially Scholar.

torn mesa
pine holly
#

And the Astro didn't notice and thought it was because we weren't reprising or addling but nope we actually were all mitting except the dude whose job it is

jolly flume
pine holly
#

We somehow made it pretty late into the fight before dying

verbal frost
#

like deep down inside

zealous meteor
#

...actually that makes me wonder
is there any relevant level range (70/80/90/100) where WHM outclasses AST, or SGE outclasses SCH?

pine holly
#

Like 10%

verbal frost
#

I know Shield Healers desire parsing.

#

They do it for the love of the game.

torn mesa
#

so no

zealous meteor
verbal frost
#

White Mages and Astro are too stoned to enjoy parsing.

torn mesa
#

yes, legacy ultimates are not balanced at all

#

and that's okay.

verbal frost
#

They gotta rebalance em

pine holly
#

We mentioned hey shield please and he goes "okay now I know" then killed us on the A B side mech

verbal frost
#

8.0 surely.

sinful brook
#

They don't gotta

sinful brook
#

It'd be nice sure but it's not like they have to

torn mesa
#

It'd be nice, but there's so many other things I would want before a legacy ultimate fix

verbal frost
#

White Mage / Sge are usually better low lvl ultimates

#

and low level content in general

#

White Mage has the best AOE out of any healer.

pine holly
#

I dont expect them to rebalance legacy ults, really not necessary

verbal frost
#

So it's the best for normal content.

#

normal dungeons.

#

SGE is probably the best for 4 man content. Like criteron or q40.

torn mesa
#

this is like saying which GPU runs minecraft the best

verbal frost
#

And even at lvl 100 rn for 8 man content

#

I think WHM is better than AST at some stuff.

#

But AST is so strong it's hard to find the bright spots where WHM shines.

#

I think SGE is pretty depressing though.

torn mesa
#

uh

#

WHM is more outclassed by AST than SGE by SCH

#

pretty hard to make a case for the reverse as well

verbal frost
#

But WHM can do this in a FRU phase

#

which is pretty impressive

#

It's better in P2 also, I think.

torn mesa
#

congrats, you picked a totally irrelevant DPS phase

zealous meteor
#

i thought someone here said that sge was slightly better than sch in tea neofox_googly
but i might be misremembering

verbal frost
#

It's not bad in the other phases though to be fair.

pine holly
#

We spent all of DSR meming on our Sage trying to put a crit shield on me pre pull. "You know on Scholar you can guarantee a crit."

verbal frost
#

It's better in P3 apparently.

random needle
#

I think WHM or SGE are actually preferred in Q40 over AST or SCH, but I'd need someone else to corroborate

torn mesa
#

yes, because P3 inherently favors selfish jobs

verbal frost
#

And also P2.

torn mesa
#

due to the timing of how your 2s are available

verbal frost
#

ye

wicked delta
#

SGE 100% tho

verbal frost
#

So WHM is better than AST in some stuff

#

specifically AOE.

#

WHM has nuclear AOE that's the main draw rn.

torn mesa
#

WHM is not better than AST in any context where you need damage

verbal frost
#

but AST aoe is probably 2nd best

#

I mean u are thinking like full uptime savage

#

not every fight is like that

torn mesa
#

I'm thinking any fight where the check is actually notable

#

P4 of FRU certainly isn't that

versed kayak
torn mesa
#

neither is P2

#

maybe P3

verbal frost
#

Even in P5, WHM is still the 2nd best healer for dps.

#

It's not like a huge "white mage is trash" gap.

pine holly
#

Only real reason to do whm over astro is if you dont find astro fun to play for some reason.

torn mesa
#

also, the biggest reason WHM is bad

verbal frost
#

I'm a white mage defender though.

random needle
torn mesa
#

isn't even damage

#

AST can literally mit 3 times for every once WHM does

wicked delta
#

I prefer literally everything else about AST otherwise

torn mesa
#

the AoE argument is also a pretty poor one

pine holly
torn mesa
#

because in those cases where you can AoE, buffs become so much better

verbal frost
#

WHM needs like 1k dps buff, tbh.

pine holly
#

Without moactions I find putting cards on people kinda annoying but thats a me thing

verbal frost
#

SGE also.

jolly flume
#

I rest my case

#

oh wrong reply

verbal frost
#

WHM playres are troll

jolly flume
#

but yes sge is a little better than sch in tea

random needle
#

Passing cards is still annoying for me on controller, but playing AST feels so much more satisfying than WHM anyway

wicked delta
#

Chiyo you are ill

verbal frost
#

TEA is weird

#

because healers literally do more dmg than tanks at that level range.

#

It's funny.

pine holly
#

I do like holying in dungeons tho

jolly flume
#

well they can

#

they shouldn't be

#

besides white mage

#

white mage just sips the lily juice at that level

verbal frost
#

White Mage at 80 is super saiyan

wicked delta
#

Drinking the koolaid

#

But like the good kind

pine holly
#

If a healer ever outdamages me I better have been doing some ganja

wicked delta
#

Not the kind that kills you

verbal frost
#

I mean, the healers are fucking cooking in TEA.

torn mesa
#

SMN is good at 70

random needle
torn mesa
#

surely it must be good at 100!!

wicked delta
#

I love balls!!!

pine holly
#

Hehe, balls

jolly flume
dapper zealot
#

Phlegma balls

verbal frost
#

I do think it's weird design tbh though.

#

Like

pine holly
#

Gravity does have a very satisfying sfx noise

verbal frost
#

I feel like WHM and SGE should fundamentally be harder jobs, since they are selfish dps.

#

But it's just not how the design is and probably will ever be.

torn mesa
#

selfish jobs or not selfish

verbal frost
#

It's in a weird spot.

torn mesa
#

has very little bearing to a job being easy or hard

verbal frost
#

Well the issue is.

jolly flume
#

no part of job design should take into account difficulty of play

#

I dont like that mindset

verbal frost
#

You get White Mages who absolutely troll in PF.

wicked delta
#

Viper is selfish and its piss easy

verbal frost
#

When you need these White Mages to be doing good dmg.

#

More than an Astro, for example.

#

So it's weird, but it's mostly a PF issue.

#

Non issue for coordinated groups.

torn mesa
#

balancing around PF

#

is a massive L to begin with

verbal frost
#

ye

random needle
#

If this game was balanced for PF, you'd press one button per phase and still not clear

verbal frost
#

TBF I feel like they balance around PF in some aspects anyways

#

There's a reason why Samurai is so much stronger than VPR / BLM when you have a coordinated group.

wicked delta
#

Because samurai players are cuter

verbal frost
#

It's weird.

wicked delta
#

Yknow

#

That reaction

verbal frost
#

Fundamentally, VPR / BLM should probably do like 500 more raw damage than Samurai.

wicked delta
#

I almost thought Noble did it

verbal frost
#

But because of how PF is, they can't do that.

wicked delta
#

And I was like

#

Wtf

#

Noble knows how discord emoji reacts work?

random needle
#

Noble is cuter than me in DSR

thin tartan
#

noble is white

jolly flume
#

aw hell no

wicked delta
#

You cant just call him slurs like that

jolly flume
versed kayak
zealous meteor
#

another question
how much would i be fucking over my party if i play AST wearing SCH bis (or at least, bis in terms of spell speed)

jolly flume
#

ast is speed agnostic

#

you just play the highest simming set if you care

wicked delta
jolly flume
#

but it really doesnt matter

verbal frost
#

AST is like prime Picto in savage

#

just say fuck it.

wicked delta
#

I think hes 29

verbal frost
#

You have some of the best raidbuffs in the game, that's really all you need on top of doing acceptable damage.

jolly flume
#

2.4 ast is kinda ass unless you have negative ping though

versed kayak
verbal frost
#

Can't ask for more than that.

jolly flume
#

because you have a 50/50 chance of your last malefic under lightspeed rolling back

wicked delta
#

Dont wanna type a whole sentence

random needle
wicked delta
#

It feels less dry than sending πŸ‘ too

versed kayak
#

yeah, I just need more bnuuy emotes

verbal frost
#

Samurai is like secretly the best job in the game, FFLOGS just doesn't show the full picture.

wicked delta
versed kayak
#

I should commission some

verbal frost
#

I now realize why my friends were telling me how good samurai was.

#

When I would look at rDPS and see that it was mid back when I was a noob.

random needle
zealous meteor
jolly flume
#

I mean

zealous meteor
#

(at least for cw)

jolly flume
#

it works

wicked delta
verbal frost
#

Just go WHM

#

WHM is for chads

jolly flume
#

I played 2.4 ast in lhw you just get used to it

pine holly
#

Samurai is cracked because you can mod it to be Vergil

#

Meditate by sitting on a chair

random needle
wicked delta
verbal frost
#

haha

zealous meteor
#

the more i play sch (in casual content, to be fair) the more i dislike whm

verbal frost
#

I would hate on white mages more.

#

But the white mages I see in PF are always very nice. Even if they struggle.

#

ASTs tend to be way more toxic from my experience even if they are on average better.

versed kayak
#

DF WHMs already make me hate the job, don't wanna imagine PF

random needle
wicked delta
#

I hate all healer players because I know true enlightenment

pine holly
#

My only irrational pf hate are Sages cause they tend to never do anything

verbal frost
#

WHM is always like a cute miqo'te or something.

wicked delta
#

But I hate sages the most

pine holly
#

Eeyy same

verbal frost
#

AST is like a male au ra

wicked delta
#

If you play sage FUCK YOU RAGHHHHHH

#

(But in a nice way)

verbal frost
#

Shield Heals are always female au ra.

#

Every time.

random needle
#

Sages are Scholars who are afraid of commitment

pine holly
#

Shoutout to when I cleared M2S and we had a sage parsing 0

jolly flume
#

I would rather play with someone toxic and good in pf than someone who sucks ass

#

I barely have to interact with them anyway

#

just give me my totem and let me out

verbal frost
#

idk like if a cute femviera is nice I can excuse them for being bad.

pine holly
#

We had no deaths and one damage down (I got hit during alarm pheromones)

#

Almost enraged

#

Cause the healers were doing no damage

jolly flume
#

I let a 1 clear 0 parse bard into my pf once because they had a cute femra and plate

#

but exceptions are rare

verbal frost
#

lol

pine holly
#

Thankfully our Dragoon was cracked

zealous meteor
jolly flume
#

yes

#

and?

#

I have principles

verbal frost
wicked delta
#

Next thing you’ll let Watashia into your pf when he tells you he watched Spice and Wolf

jolly flume
#

I would

wicked delta
#

Dude

verbal frost
#

He's so good man. Truly a stud.

jolly flume
#

it's not like I need more dsr totems

#

I'm just in there for fun

zealous meteor
jolly flume
#

if he makes it amusing

#

by all means

wicked delta
verbal frost
#

Wata will always be misunderstood he is just a fursona lover.

jolly flume
verbal frost
#

Whatever that even means.

wicked delta
#

Do furries deserve rights; the next endgame debate

random needle
verbal frost
#

I like H-roths, so fuck it why not.

thin tartan
verbal frost
#

ewww

wicked delta
#

Chopped fucking yan

verbal frost
#

LOOOL

zealous meteor
#

you can be a furry without being shit at the game

#

look at sapph

random needle
verbal frost
#

Hrothgar raiders are really rare

random needle
thin tartan
#

β€œMisunderstood” and its called not being a piece of shit person

verbal frost
#

They are pretty cute

versed kayak
#

What's the difference between the Hist % parse shown on the fflogs profile and the actual parse on the log? Is the hist % the one that's still comparing the log to the previous day?

jolly flume
#

historical is what it was when it was uploaded

#

frozen in time if you will

random needle
#

I need to lock in and get a p7 party for DSR going tonight

jolly flume
#

the other one is compared against all data up to current day

verbal frost
#

Hist% what rlly matters

jolly flume
#

🧒

thin tartan
#

gulp

jolly flume
#

on that patch day ultimate parsing shit

verbal frost
#

yeah but like if u cleared week 1

thin tartan
#

corny as hell

verbal frost
#

then ppl get BiS and shit

versed kayak
#

ah so the logs % will keep going down over time I guess

verbal frost
#

ur shit cooked

jolly flume
#

depends on when you cleared but yeah it usually goes down

verbal frost
#

but that historical parse is still goated tho

jolly flume
#

I had a 98.9 turn into a 99 once

#

screaming at the clouds

zealous meteor
#

my 0 is gonna turn into 0.1

verbal frost
#

Progress.

random needle
#

I got a 69 parse on ex2 and I think that's the most accomplished I've ever been in the game

zealous meteor
#

nice

verbal frost
#

My only gold parses are in Chaotic, so I don't know if they are really legit.

jolly flume
#

I don't parse anymore

versed kayak
jolly flume
#

boss die fast

#

week 1

#

me happy

#

then go play other game

verbal frost
#

idc about parse for savage & ultimate

wicked delta
verbal frost
#

I am extreme enjoyer

random needle
#

I don't really care about parse either as long as I'm not abysmally dogshit, as long as boss dies I'm pretty happy

zealous meteor
#

i only care about parse in dungeons

verbal frost
#

Zelenia got owned

#

If Ex6 is fun and 1 totem I will legit clear it 100 times.

jolly flume
#

ok dungeon parsing is kinda based though

verbal frost
#

ye

#

fuck it why not

jolly flume
#

normalize speed parsing

#

make these pf morons stop whining for hold

#

we aint holding

versed kayak
#

I never really do content when it's current so ultimates are the only thing I really get a parse for anyway

verbal frost
#

you should try Chaotic.

wicked delta
#

Now its real mens turn

verbal frost
#

Chaotic is like the most chill content to get a fat parse on.

#

It's an acquired taste.

#

I own CoD tho

#

free gil also

#

Chaotic 2 when πŸ™

versed kayak
zealous meteor
#

inchresting

versed kayak
#

too lazy to watch a guide

verbal frost
#

Join the RADAR server. They will walk you through everything.

#

It's the only daily progs on NA anyways.

#

LMK if you want link.

wicked delta
#

I got a chaotic run coming up on Saturday

#

I wont grief surely

versed kayak
#

Not on EU, but there's probably a EU one somewhere

verbal frost
#

RADAR has progs like every day

pine holly
#

M7 was the only fight I didn't get higher than a green on but I also have the least clears on it since I joined a static late and we didn't really need gear from it.

verbal frost
#

It's a goated server

jolly flume
#

@wicked delta lock in

#

lets go parse normal

pine holly
#

Purple on the other fights

wicked delta
#

😭

daring pine
#

yo im goated trust..

verbal frost
#

my normals are better

#

L

jolly flume
#

yeah unfortunately I play the job where I have to raise morons

#

and also card them

verbal frost
#

Sorry I lied I'm a fraud

jolly flume
#

gg

shy obsidian
#

oh damn

jolly flume
#

fake af!

wicked delta
#

Ogey lets go barse normal

verbal frost
#

historical though

low hearth
jolly flume
#

toby

#

should I just turn myself into red mist

#

exam in an hour

low hearth
#

playing with Watashia for the first time yesterday was funny asf

verbal frost
#

What are you doing on discord?

verbal frost
random needle
low hearth
#

Bro had macros for every phase of the fight 😭

wicked delta
verbal frost
#

We

random needle
#

Are the Crystal gems

versed kayak
#

surprised people even upload alliance raid logs

jolly flume
verbal frost
#

My experience with Wata in FRU: extremely capable player, just very bossy and argumentative to the point he crashes out when one reprisal is missed.

#

Probably because he's parsing, I'm not sure.

versed kayak
#

clearly a pro player /s

zealous meteor
#

maybe i should become a WAR main /s

random needle
#

I wonder if I have any numbers saved for current casual content

jolly flume
#

dont play war

verbal frost
#

Well my overall experience with Scholars is that they undermit everything to get max energy drain dps.

jolly flume
#

this message brought to you by big drk

#

the better war

verbal frost
zealous meteor
wicked delta
random needle
verbal frost
#

You can tell they were getting dopamine highs, about to spam Energy Drain after using chain.

random needle
#

I don't remember the last time I've had someone logging for m5

verbal frost
#

Who even does normal raids anymore

#

Honestly I think these normals were very mid.

random needle
#

If they come up in normal raid roul

verbal frost
#

Idk if they will top the Eden ones.

jagged aspen
#

These are historical values right?

verbal frost
#

The Eden normals were actually peak.

zealous meteor
random needle
#

But I'm usually doing roulettes for leveling my other jobs at this point, so I barely ever see the Lv100 ones lately

verbal frost
#

It could be worse, trust me.

#

honestly it's probably just gear diff

zealous meteor
#

trust me you can be worse

random needle
#

If I uploaded a log for m5 (I'm a lazy bum and haven't set up uploading my own logs), it'd probably jump to 65-70%

verbal frost
#

ye if I see that I'm extremely sus

#

ngl

jolly flume
#

wanna hear a secret

zealous meteor
#

i need to go back and do better

jolly flume
#

damage is like the least important thing you can do in this game

verbal frost
#

I'm ngl.

#

12k is a stain on your legacy, lmao.

#

but you prob died so who cares

jolly flume
#

dishonor on your livestock

verbal frost
#

exactly

zealous meteor
#

yeah i spent a concerning amount of time on the floor

random needle
verbal frost
#

Would Hydaelyn have wanted this? I'm not so sure.

zealous meteor
#

now my problem is finding people to do arkveld with neofox_woozy

#

seeing as we're less than 2 weeks out from the next patch that will make everything but the mount obsolete

verbal frost
#

That's an isuse with these current 2 extremes

#

they are just very whatever, so they died EXTREMELY fast.

random needle
#

I never got around to doing Arkveld tbh

jagged aspen
#

whats the name of the original arr cinematic music

random needle
#

Answers

verbal frost
#

Answer?

zealous meteor
#

answers?

jolly flume
#

question

zealous meteor
#

i'll redeem myself with the 7.4 extreme, trust

visual geyser
#

No

zealous meteor
#

....is the 7.4 exteme ex6 or ex7
because necron was ex5, but then we got arkveld

random needle
#

ex6

visual geyser
#

Redeem yourself with criterion

verbal frost
#

7.4 exrtreme should honestly be very fun.

random needle
#

I've never heard people say Rathalos in SB was one of the numbered extremes

verbal frost
#

I'm not sure if people know the trial yet.

verbal frost
#

But it's looking like a Zelenia type of fight.

visual geyser
#

??

verbal frost
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Well I mean that in the sense of.

visual geyser
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Impossible to tell it’s just a train so far

jagged aspen
verbal frost
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Just pure fun, random shit.

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And puzzle based.

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That's what Yoshida said yesterday.

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So most similar to EX4 probably this expac.

random needle
verbal frost
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Honestly they really shine when they just do random ass bosses

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That's why omega raids were goated

random needle
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Though it starts from the Bahamut drop instead of the very beginning and loops during p4 iirc

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And p5 uses a different track entirely, Beyond Redemption

jagged aspen
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idk

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Can't find a video with loud music

random needle
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I never noticed a difference during cob prog

versed kayak
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get orchestrion, it'll tell you

wicked delta
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😭

verbal frost
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That’s not bad tho

jagged aspen
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Oh right, it's the same just not from the start

pine holly
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I think the p5 track is from when Louisoux was having his dbz moment against Bahamut

wicked delta
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Why do I have a 97 on Brute

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😭😭😭

random needle
verbal frost
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To be honest we t

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A blue in savage is like

random needle
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t13 uses the whole song from the beginning though

verbal frost
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A orange in normal

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Or smth like that

versed kayak
wicked delta
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Glared too close to the sun

versed kayak
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probably not too many logs either so good uptime will give you a good number

jagged aspen
jolly flume
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normal raids are full of people who cannot tell left from right

verbal frost
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When we get the ZODIALYN ultimate that song will be peak

versed kayak
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also helps if your gear is decent I guess

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I'm usually criminally undergeared because fuck engaging with this games gear system with weekly locks

verbal frost
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Parsing is like 90% about gear lol.

random needle
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80% gear, 5% skill, 15% dcrit rng

verbal frost
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Something like that

jagged aspen
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that was my first time blind with crafted gear 15 weeks in o_o

jagged aspen
wicked delta
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Log checking my bf’s normals

verbal frost
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MCH goat

wicked delta
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Hes on suicide watch

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His job sucks

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And its also the only thing he plays