questions-and-help

[normal sand]

what is it called?

[jade quartz]

.

[warped nest]

Just to clarify

The sword doesn't have ink trail

[jade quartz]

Yes it does?

[warped nest]

Wait it does!?

[jade quartz]

They all do

[warped nest]

Wtf

That's not added in post!?

[jade quartz]

nope

[warped nest]

🤯

[jade quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHOWBrfZdDI

[warped nest]

Hot damn

[normal sand]

Where do you go craft the weapon?

[warped nest]

You craft it yourself

Or ask a crafter to do it for you

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[jade quartz]

or just buy it off the marketboard

[vivid bough]

does post hw make you do the hard arr trials again?

[jade quartz]

just one.

[vivid bough]

oh okay

they just ||talked about summoning ifrit again|| so i wasnt sure

[warped nest]

Coffee biscuit leve to the rescue

[spare gazelle]

I'm guessing the answer's gonna be no, but is there a way to preview changes you could make with a fantasia without using one?
Like, I'd like to switch to Viera, but I'd like to see my current hairstyles first and my glamour plates and all

[jade quartz]

not without third-party tools. You can make a temporary character though to check out emotes, and use the Try On feature to check gear that's obtainable from the marketboard

also Viera can't use any hairstyles other races can (this is changing in Endwalker finally)

[ripe hound]

Wait are there anything that can let you change how your character looks?

I mean, change your character to something else only you can see

Play for a few days, decide it's good

Then Fantasia up?

[iron estuary]

Anyone able to help PL my BLU50 on Primal? I don't mind returning the favor 🙂

[jade quartz]

there are third party tools

I don't know how to use them though

[ripe hound]

I think it's probably in the Texttools section

I'm only familiar with XIV Launcher / Dalamud stuff

[haughty spade]

Where do I go to accept free company invites

[echo violet]

macro question, can i do this or do I need a wait command between swiftcast and raise?

[regal pawn]

Wait is preferable due to no queueing

[regal pawn]

Anamnesis lets you change

[ripe hound]

Cool

[regal pawn]

You have to change whenever you reinstance, but you can save the appearance to make it easy

[ripe hound]

Seems like it's a standalone tool

[regal pawn]

Yup

[zenith halo]

can someone help me pls

[echo violet]

no queueing?

[regal pawn]

Abilities queue if you press them manually

Click a gcd half a sec before it's ready

You'll see what I mean

[zenith halo]

I bought endwalker standard edition and got the code and inputted it into the pre order section in mog station but it says the code is invalid

[echo violet]

ohh gotcha, thank you

[regal pawn]

Macros don't do that

[regal pawn]

You can't redeem endwalker until early access starts

[jade quartz]

Must wait. However you should not be macroing these together, it's highly inadvisable.

[regal pawn]

You need to put in the preorder code if you want the goodies

[jade quartz]

I strongly recommend deleting this macro

[mint moss]

Should I focus on one class at a time or try to level Multiple classes at once?

[regal pawn]

Up to you

[hasty musk]

up to you

[jade quartz]

Macroing two actions together is both unreliable and has inherent delay.

[hasty musk]

jinx

[zenith halo]

I think it was pre order? It said Standard edition

[regal pawn]

Msq gives enough xp for 2-3

[ionic swallow]

i have a question can i play as a viera even though im not on shadowbringers? im only on heavensward

[zenith halo]

It gave me instructions to put it into the pre order section

[regal pawn]

As long as you own shb, yes

[jade quartz]

If you own the expansion yes

[spare gazelle]

Oh shit, is this confirmed for the hairstyles?

[ionic swallow]

bruh wtf i just bought endwalker so i have to0 purchase shadowbringers too?

[jade quartz]

yep

[regal pawn]

No

If you want shb stuff, you have to wait until endwalekr early access to get shb and stb, they're included with ew

[jade quartz]

https://discordapp.com/channels/100463940835762176/151558839005741056/906418742743937034

[zenith halo]

How do i know if i bought the pre order version of end walker?

[ionic swallow]

oh ok

[regal pawn]

Is it out?
If no, you oreordered

[jade quartz]

Only preorders are currently for sale

that's how it goes

[regal pawn]

Are you on Steam or sqenix?

[dry zinc]

Hello, I purchased the wrong region for Endwalkers Collector's edition. I've already contacted support, but would it be possible to find somebody to swap codes?

[jade quartz]

if you've bought Endwalker at this point, that's a preorder

[zenith halo]

Ye my code doesnt work... it says invalid code

[spare gazelle]

OOoh, though the language isn't all that clear on whether or not it will have all the hairstyles or just some new ones

[jade quartz]

No race has "all the hairstyles"

There are always some hairstyles which are specific to one or a few races.

However the images they showed include some hairstyles that are shared by other races by default, as well as many unlockable hairstyles.

[ionic swallow]

ok wtf i entered my dlc code into mogstation and its saying its invalid

[jade quartz]

What code, which platform

[zenith halo]

Same issue

[leaden ginkgo]

Check the market board for high ilevel gear

[jade quartz]

And is it the Endwalker collector's code

[ionic swallow]

pc

[jade quartz]

because that won't be enterable until EW drops

[ionic swallow]

im trying to verify my standard edition

[jade quartz]

Steam or non-Steam

[leaden ginkgo]

trial doesn’t have market board?

[ionic swallow]

ok so how2 do i get my earrings then?

[zenith halo]

Is the site broken lol

[ionic swallow]

steam

[regal pawn]

Enter your PREORDER code

[spare gazelle]

I meant the hairstyles you can buy on gold saucer and the other unlockable ones and stuff, haha

[regal pawn]

Not ENDWALKER cofe

[jade quartz]

you can enter preorder code

[leaden ginkgo]

Hmm. How many tomestones of poetics do you have?

[regal pawn]

There's 2 codes

[ionic swallow]

i did both and theyre invalid

[regal pawn]

Try preorder one again

And make sure it's correct

[ionic swallow]

do u have a link to redeem it

[zenith halo]

I have an "activation code" Where can i get the preorder one?

[leaden ginkgo]

That should do it. Do you have Idyllshire unlocked?

[jade quartz]

ok for the person trying to register starter edition

!faq product

[zinc orbit]

How to buy the game

Click here for NA

Click here for EU

Click here for JP

Image by /u/Alimantado

[jade quartz]

argh goddamnit this is the wrong image

[ionic swallow]

ok this site has t obe broken because i copied the pre purchase one

[leaden ginkgo]

In Idyllshire. Go to :
X: 5.7 | 5.3
Converse with one of the 3 NPCs there to buy a level 60 “shire” weapon. It boasts decent ilevel

[jade quartz]

Are you currently a Steam player, and did you also purchase Endwalker via Steam?

[regal pawn]

Are you putting it into site that pops up when you click on the preorder button on mogstation?

[jade quartz]

You cannot use a non-Steam code on a Steam account and vice versa

[ionic swallow]

yeah im a steam player and i did purchase endwalker on steam

[jade quartz]

ok then get your preorder CD key here

[zenith halo]

I purchased online

[fallen niche]

can you trade strider boots?

[regal pawn]

No

[ionic swallow]

yeah thats where im getting my cd keys

[fallen niche]

darn.

[jade quartz]

and enter it here

[ionic swallow]

okay thank you so muchj

[zenith halo]

Thats the one i tried and it said invalid

[dry zinc]

Hmmmi bought endwalkers on the EU store and only was given one code?

Not steam

[leaden ginkgo]

np

[regal pawn]

Non-steam will get their EW code later

[dry zinc]

Ohh ok

I stipl gotta refund andswap regions

[zenith halo]

EW?

[dry zinc]

[zenith halo]

ohh

[dry zinc]

Why does it default to EU store when Im logged in to my NA account

[jade quartz]

Non-Steam should only have received their early access code at this time

[jade quartz]

IP address based

[dry zinc]

I would like to purchase you game why do you fight me every step of the way

[dry zinc]

Im not in the EU

[zenith halo]

Idk whats happening... I got a activation code and it doesnt work at all

[dry zinc]

[jade quartz]

many other regions are lumped into "Europe and other regions" by SE

which is called EU for short

For example Oceania is under "EU" for Square Enix site stuff

[dry zinc]

But why did it register me automatically into NA when I made the free trial?

[jade quartz]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dry zinc]

[jade quartz]

I know SEA has weirdness

[dry zinc]

Cursed

[jade quartz]

Players in Malaysia or Singapore have a lot of troubles

[dry zinc]

Im in Hong Kong yeah

No wonder

Same area

It flip flops between showing me NA stuff or EU stuff

I hope PayPal refunds are faster at least

So I can buy again

[silent flax]

should I wait til endwalkers release to purchase the game? does the rest get bundled? prob get this question alot sorry

[jade quartz]

Shadowbringers and Stormblood are included in purchase of Endwalker, however they won't be activated on your account until Endwalker's early access release date (Dec 3rd)

After release there will be a Complete Edition bundle that includes Endwalker

however its price shouldn't differ significantly from just buying Starter Edition and Endwalker separately, like you can do right now.

[silent flax]

ok so buy starter if i want now then get complete edition on release aight

[jade quartz]

No

Buy starter now and preorder Endwalker

or don't buy anything until after release, when an updated Complete Edition comes out

[dry zinc]

Im buying endwalker now then just free trialing my way till release

[jade quartz]

Do not buy both Starter and Complete edition, that's redundant as there's overlap in what they contain

[silent flax]

alright thanks man u da best

[jade summit]

Anyone on Primal experiencing some mad lag? Specifically Famfrit

[leaden ginkgo]

i'm a SMN

and when i'm running old content

my pet desummons itself when I click the run fast button

how do I stop it from doing that?

[vivid bough]

Who is it best to give the Dance Partner buff to in 4 man, and then also 8 man, content? I usually assign it to the other DPS player.

but I was wondering if it is better on someone else

[jade quartz]

are you placing it and forgetting to heel it after an encounter?

[jade quartz]

always a dps.

[leaden ginkgo]

no I have it set to attack

[hasty musk]

the other DPS always for 4 man, for 8 man there's a priority list for which dps

[jade quartz]

generally a high personal dps job like samurai.

[leaden ginkgo]

oh

do I always have to press Heel?

[vivid bough]

okay that was my thought as well

ty Lyon

[leaden ginkgo]

I thought it would just follow me

[hasty musk]

if you explicitly place it somewhere, it will stay there

[leaden ginkgo]

no I haven't pressed any of those buttons

and it follows me sometimes

but sometimes when I click sprint

and go through the dungeon

I always have to resummon it

[hasty musk]

if you aren't placing it then it should always follow you

[mystic tapir]

best use of Gear that is unique and untradable?

[hasty musk]

turn it in for gc seals probably

[hasty musk]

the only other thing I can think of is you might be going too fast and leaving it behind but I don't know if that can actually happen

[warped nest]

Summon it, hover over its buff

And see what it has

[jade quartz]

it should keep up with you no problem when sprinting.

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[lone spruce]

What the hecky am I supposed to do with white oak branches?

I looked it up like three times now

[jade quartz]

Obsolete collectible I believe

[lone spruce]

Wym by obsolete?

[limber hound]

They currently have no use

HW has items like these

[snow surge]

Anyone know the prices of the crafted items needed in the level 60 relic weapon questline?

[leaden ginkgo]

https://arrtripletriad.com/en/card-nidhogg when it says this card drops from "The Aery" does it mean all chests in that dungeon? or just from the last boss?

[echo violet]

how do crafters/gatherers deal with inventory management? do you only carry mats for one/two gather/craft at a time in inventory/saddlebag?

particularly omnicrafters/gatherers

[snow surge]

Retainers

[leaden ginkgo]

I just got my chocobo skill points. Does anyone know which chocobo role is like the best for leveling? I'm a bard btw.

[hasty musk]

healer

[lofty edge]

Sorry for maybe a obv question, but is there a way to find active fc in game? Most time ive been right clicking folks and most guilds theirs in is always 1-100 ppl online

[little swift]

4 ranks in healer, then rest in dps. this applies to all jobs in conjunction with chocobo

[leaden ginkgo]

Thanks!

[sand quarry]

How does duty finder work? I'm new to the game and I'm doing a quest where I have to do duty finder and it's been forever no one is joining

[hasty musk]

are you a DPS

[sand quarry]

Yes

[hasty musk]

how long has it been

[sand quarry]

Around 20min

[hasty musk]

ok

duty finder works by attempting to matchmake you with other people queuing for either that dungeon or roulettes that include that duty

but the problem with that is that it needs to match you with people of other roles to form a complete party

however, the majority of people and classes in the game are DPS

meaning it's harder to find groups as a DPS because there's more of you

[sand quarry]

I guess everyone is queing in dps

[hasty musk]

more or less

it also can't match you with people who aren't playing

but it's not that late on NA servers

so I'd give it a few more minutes

if it gets to upwards of 25-30 minutes, then maybe try another time

[sand quarry]

When it's full it will automatically send me to the dungeon?

[hasty musk]

it'll play a sound and a window will pop up when a party is found

[sand quarry]

Ohok thank you

[hasty musk]

everyone then has 45 seconds to click the ready button, and then it'll put you in

[limber hound]

last boss iirc

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[jade quartz]

!faq communityfinder

[zinc orbit]

FFXIV Community Finder

Use the official Community Finder to find Free Companies, Linkshells, and PvP Teams!

Click here to visit the Community Finder

[patent citrus]

do you think spamming lv 50 dungeons works to gear up my fresh lv 50 expansion jobs? (don't want to gear it with ironworks)...

[distant jay]

I'm level 27, are there any special sidequests I should be looking out for?

[jade quartz]

Gear with ironworks.

[patent citrus]

any blue quests

[hasty musk]

there's no reason to not use ironworks

it's better in every way and not hard to get

[patent citrus]

just take it, you can finish it later when you are bored with MSQ, better than forget it later , they are important

4k poetics 😢

ok ty ty

[pearl mesa]

I know some of my stuff refreshes in about 2 hours, but the beast tribes don't seem to be then. When do the beast tribes specifically refresh?

[distant jay]

@patent citrus even if they don't give that much xp? why are they good?

[patent citrus]

!daily

[zinc orbit]

Tick, Tock, Kupo!

Time Until Daily Reset:

9 hours, 48 minutes, 52 seconds

[jade quartz]

You’ll have those poetics from those dungeons faster than you would farm a set of inferior gear from those dungeons

[patent citrus]

cause they unlock important feature

[distant jay]

@patent citrus is there an example?

[patent citrus]

ic ic, yeah

[limber hound]

yer job quests

[hasty musk]

job quests are blue quests, the gold saucer, challenge log, dyeing, glamour

[jade quartz]

Just do them

[distant jay]

aight

[hasty musk]

raid serieses, extreme trials, etc

[limber hound]

No job quests = no key abilities

[hasty musk]

everything that isn't msq that gives stuff

[patent citrus]

!faq questicon

[zinc orbit]

What do all these quest icons mean?

- These are how you reach the endgame and every other bit of content is locked behind it to some extent. MANDATORY
- These unlock a feature, instanced content, job actions, or a thing that is important for you to have. Do the ones related to your job/class and ones that unlock new content
- These usually have very little exp/gil as reward and are usually just part of the world/lore expansion. Mostly optional unless you are interested in doing them for the fluff
- These are quests you can do more than once, how often you can repeat it is up to the individual quest.

[patent citrus]

the blue one are important

ok ty ty

[distant jay]

is there a way to put aside quests from your quest list on the side of the screen so you dont have to see them unless you want to?

[hasty musk]

you can open your journal and adjust which ones are on the quest list

you can take them off if you want or force the list to prioritize certain quests

[warped nest]

Another thing you can do (I'm not sure what you want exactly tbh)

Is to make a macro

[dim widget]

was wandering if anyone can shed some light on why i dont see bristle right before the final sting https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607862682611220480/905602765919764581/unknown.png?width=619&height=910

[warped nest]

That toggle your Duty list

[fresh dagger]

one of my hotbars has become 2 rows of 5 instead of 1 row of 10

how do I change it back

[dim widget]

those arrows what you looking for?

[fresh dagger]

no

[dim widget]

oh those

hold up

[fresh dagger]

my 3rd hotbar is 2 rows and bleeding into my second

[dim widget]

go hud settings

see the gear next to the hotbar 1 selected?

[patent citrus]

/cconfig -> hotbar setting

[fresh dagger]

got it, thanks!

[patent citrus]

Boost doesn't stack with Harmonised

[dim widget]

yep just figured thanks

does brush with death get removed once you are done with a dungeon?

[patent citrus]

yeah

if the group fail, you need to leave the dungeon to reset it

[dim widget]

oh lastly how do you reset aggro on training dummy again?

[patent citrus]

square/right click dummy

[dim widget]

ahh right click the hp bar

[faint flare]

It's there, whistle

[sleek needle]

☝️

Final sting is physical

Bristle wouldn't do anything

[wispy orbit]

HoH requires 71?

[hasty musk]

61

HoH is stormblood

[arctic schooner]

71 is for bozja

[wispy orbit]

I meant 61, sorry

sleepy

but HoH stops working at 70 right?

[lethal birch]

XP gains are just more efficient/hr in bozja

Since xp/lvl is a bit of an exponential curve

iirc

[wispy orbit]

I wasn't sure if at 70 HoH just gave 0 exp

[patent citrus]

still gives exp

[wispy shell]

For the anima weapon first step, do you need to have the job weapon to start it?

[distant jay]

where is the crafting guild in Limsa Lominsa?

[wispy orbit]

which one?

[pearl mesa]

There's a couple. They have the armorers, the blacksmiths, and the culinarians.

[modest igloo]

nope

[distant jay]

are all of those relevant to the quests for the grand companies?

[pearl mesa]

No.

[wispy shell]

Bless, id rather do the fates on blu than do hunts

What ever happened to ffxivhuntpaths also? I was going to use that but it's dead

[distant jay]

all i know is that i need crafting to do those quests

[pearl mesa]

Which Grand Company quest specifically?

[boreal storm]

If you’re talking about supply missions they aren’t quests

[distant jay]

sorry, thats what i mean

[pearl mesa]

The only reason to do those is for the crafter EXP, really.

[wispy orbit]

Supply missions are a great way to level crafters/gatherers, plus get some extra seals

[proud sigil]

Is their a channel for dungeon recuirts??

[distant jay]

where is the crafter guild then?

or are there multiple types?

[pearl mesa]

Anyway, the CUL guild is "The Bismarck" on the aetheryte network, and the Blacksmith/Armorer one is "Naldiq and Vymelli's", south of The Aftcastle.

[boreal storm]

There’s 9 different crafters

3 for each city

[distant jay]

and all of them are relevant to the grand company crafting missions?

[boreal storm]

You can’t craft

If you don’t know how to craft

[pearl mesa]

There's 8. Gridania has two.

[distant jay]

so it's better to know all of them then?

[pearl mesa]

If you're going to level them, it's easiest to do them all at once.

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[distant jay]

Do I get anything cool later on as a result of being part of the Au Ra clan. I only picked it cause dragons are cool.

[honest anvil]

psure only Lalafell get an exclusive feature

[warped ferry]

hey, I have a question about legendary fishing. when several fish are needed to trigger the fisher's intuition buff, some of them have different weather and time requirements, and they can be there during totally different times. if I leave the area or log out, is my progress reset?

[honest anvil]

your race is never acknowledged anywhere outside of that Lala thing vs certain houses in ShB

[distant jay]

really? thats kind of a bummer tbh, was hoping that my wagging dragon tail had some sort of significance. is it at least acknowledged that im this race when I meet NPC's who are the same race?

[honest anvil]

like i said, your race is never acknowledged

[distant jay]

fuuuuu

I would've just gone with a basic ass human instead of a dragon waifu then

[honest anvil]

no you wouldn’t have

[boreal storm]

Sometimes it is

[warped ferry]

true, there are definitely times where people refer to your race

it's just not very common

[boreal storm]

In very specific conversations

[honest anvil]

hmm, for example?

[boreal storm]

ShB: “I’m not an X, I’m a Y”

[pale thunder]

Quests dont reset if you switch jobs, so how do you level second job?

[modest igloo]

!faq altlvlguide

[zinc orbit]

Leveling Guide for alt jobs

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/leveling

[warped ferry]

dungeons, side quests, various other side systems

there's plenty of ways

[honest anvil]

i actually don’t remember that scene but i trust you o/

[warped ferry]

daily roulettes are really good obviously

[distant jay]

what are daily roulettes?

[knotty elk]

In the blm job quests someone referred to me as “Viera” once

I replied to the wrong message but still related

[boreal storm]

Have you unlocked the duty finder, first of all

Because if you have it’s the first section

[distant jay]

oh yeah, i did one accidentaly before

how do you rank up mounts?

[boreal storm]

You don’t?

[distant jay]

im looking at the companion thing and its shows rank 0 on actions and skills

[solemn jewel]

That's specific to the companion chocobo

It gets exp by fighting mobs with you

[boreal storm]

So once you do the feisty chocobo quest, you can bring out your bud to fight using gyashl greens

[solemn jewel]

Most people use it as a pocket healer lmao

[boreal storm]

Don’t start with the Tank tree

[distant jay]

what lvl does that start?

[vernal urchin]

yeah level your chocobo as either healer or dps

chocobo can't hold aggro worth piss so the tank tree for it is kinda useless

[boreal storm]

!quest my feisty little chocobo

[zinc orbit]

My Feisty Little Chocobo

Gridanian Sidequests | Required Level: 30

Docette appears to have caught scent of something.

Quest Starts At

Docette
South Shroud (X: 17.11 Y: 28.27)

Quest Ends At

Luquelot
Central Shroud (X: 20.28 Y: 21.62)

Required Quests

My Little Chocobo (Twin Adder)
My Little Chocobo (Maelstrom)
My Little Chocobo (Immortal Flames)

Next Quests

Bird in Hand
I Believe I Can Fly

Images of NPCS by Gamer Escape.

[leaden ginkgo]

Why do all roulettes except the raids cancel Adventurer in Need when in a party?

[patent citrus]

it cancel for raids?

I never knew

that's just how it works

[boreal storm]

Adventurer in need isn’t even that big a deal, so like....

[patent citrus]

yeah it just gives extra 7k gil for lv 80 and materias

[trail hill]

So I have a curiosity question and I'm looking for opinions, my preferred bonus is going to end in like 2 weeks, and I was wondering if the crafting/gathering jobs are worth leveling, especially since I don't have a lot of gil, or should I just level some other main jobs? I just want to try to be efficient/effective in my remaining bonus time and I'm not sure if it'd really be worth the effort for crafting/gathering.

[patent citrus]

yeah, depends on the person

but I found leveling gathering is quite tedious

maybe cause I used diadem method

[honest anvil]

idt gathering is ever not tedious …

leveling or not …

[patent citrus]

road to 70 defo helps a lot, assisted with the scroll and FC/GC buff

[honest anvil]

but it’s easy and profitable while waiting for sth

[trail hill]

Yeah, I don't know if I'm super into it, but I feel like I'd be leaving xp on the table by not trying to take advantage, but I'm more drawn to the main jobs, so idk what to prioritize, I also wanna do the moogle event

Especially since I heard leveling them can be tedious and expensive

[patent citrus]

doh/dol are always useful for me, even if I'm not a hardcore crafters

but it might not be on you, all doh level'd will allow you to cut repair cost and repair anywhere

and dol, well if you want gil, just pick up the axe/rod/pickaxe and just start grinding

I level'd dol cause the materials I got from diadem will be used to level my doh in firnament as well

and you don't need to upgrade that often in diadem, also you can craft the gear yourself with your doh

the extra diadem mats are sold to the marketboard to compensate if you take the convenient method (buying gear from NPC/MB to upgrade)

[trail hill]

Gotcha, is there a guide or something for like super cheap/efficient leveling, because I have like less than 100k gil since its my first time in the game, I'm at like 60 and I'm in the quests between ARR and Heavensward. Or is it kinda straightforward? I'm used to things like WoW where it's kinda obvious what you need to do next

[rich gazelle]

how bad is the queue time on previous expansions' launch date?
thinking to resub only a few days after launch so that the queue time is not as bad

i've already preordered, so i can play from early access date

[hasty musk]

the first few hours will probably be pretty bad

but I'm sure it'll smooth out as the day goes on

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[rich gazelle]

ic, resub is usually instant correct? like i pay on mogstation, maybe a few minutes later i'll get the code already?

maybe i'll see how's the queue time for my friend who still has the sub lol

[leaden ginkgo]

hey i just want to check after ew release how can i farm Euereka

it will be almost dead

[boreal storm]

It’ll be the same as it is now

[leaden ginkgo]

are u sure ?

[patent citrus]

might be less players yeah

cause they are busy doing current content

[distant solstice]

In matoya's relict, is there a way to know where the final boss will attack from before killing the wind sprite thingie ?

[warped urchin]

So I recently came to ff14 and I heard a lot of mythic WoW raiders had come over. When I went to look for some examples about an hour ago I found one meh raider and a few large WoW personalities. Does anyone know of any of the wow raiders that had made the swap to ff14?

Wow mythic raiders to be precise

[worn flume]

if you have directional sound you can hear where it spawns

[modest igloo]

didn't like limit and echo move from WoW to FFXIV

[distant solstice]

what if there's a lot of noise going on ?

[warped urchin]

Not that I know of

[worn flume]

shouldn't be that much noise
or just turn other players' sound effects down

[warped urchin]

They may have made a team on ff14 as an org

[patent citrus]

don't need to follow streamers and bandwagon to try the game

[distant solstice]

how about the water bump from the second boss ?

[modest igloo]

almost everyone i've heard who went from WoW to FFXIV to raid say they enjoyed ffxiv raiding more

[patent citrus]

make up your mind on your own, and raid is different compared to wow

[warped urchin]

Well, that's not what I'm asking

I'm asking if people know of invividuals who did make the swap so I can hear their takes

[modest igloo]

maximum did

lemee see if i can find a few

[boreal storm]

But in the end, it’s your opinion not theirs

[warped urchin]

Ty

[modest igloo]

who do you know who was a big raider from wow? i never played so idk

[warped urchin]

I was in UoL and nascent

[patent citrus]

I only raided mythic in legion

and I don't watch streamers much so

[modest igloo]

i dont know what those mean im afraid

[warped urchin]

They're just decent wow guilds, I recently talked with some old buds and I was about to buy EW and a boost and they told me it was hard bait

So just trying to hear more opinions

[patent citrus]

well basically raid is just a side content here

[cursive ridge]

dont buy a boost

you're skipping most of the game

[boreal storm]

The story is the main content

[cursive ridge]

which is still very good and very important content

[warped urchin]

Well I def will be buying a boost, made that decision today in #beginner-lounge

Not a fan of the story and I find the early leveling egregious

[modest igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions?flow=2

[patent citrus]

everything is locked behind story

[modest igloo]

ok sick embed

[patent citrus]

you still need to do quests

and leveling

[cursive ridge]

there is no 'leveling' for your first job

the MSQ gives you WAY MORE exp than you need to keep up

[boreal storm]

You do the msq and get exp

[patent citrus]

main content is the story and everything is locked behind it

[hasty musk]

Y'all they said they were already gonna buy it, stop trying to convince them otherwise

[patent citrus]

and every expansion and patch works like this

[warped urchin]

Yes I consider this leveling, and it wasn't enjoyable for me

[hasty musk]

tbf you didn't get very far

[warped urchin]

200 hours of leveling would most likely make me quit the game before getting there

[boreal storm]

I’m just saying you have to play the current story even if you boost

[outer mural]

just make sure to buy story boost and level boost both, then learn your class, if you’re gonna skip

that’s my only advice

[hasty musk]

^

[cursive ridge]

MSQ has regular dungeons and trials so you do multiplayer content while doing it too

[patent citrus]

you still need do story of the latest expansion

[outer mural]

you will still need to play 10 levels of endgame msq as well which you should he aware about yeah

[warped urchin]

Yeah from 70-80

[outer mural]

but not as long as ARR

[worn flume]

levelling 70-80 is a significant difference from level 1 with no unlocks

[outer mural]

so w/e

if ur aware then go for the boost

[warped urchin]

Yeah, now just need to decide if raiding in this game is worth

[outer mural]

i’d say it’s worth

i have much fun with jt

[warped urchin]

My concern is someone told me the difficulty is a lot lower than mythic prog in wow

[hasty musk]

FFXIV savage raiding isn't designed to last forever or anything

[outer mural]

depends, it’s less people so they entirely depends on who you raid with

ultimates are no slouch if you somehow find savage too easy for your taste

[warped urchin]

Well I'd be raiding with 4 m raiders from wow and a few others who came over here who have been playing for a bit

[patent citrus]

raids are different

here raid is 10-15 mins long

in wow, it's just 4 mins top

[outer mural]

it’s apples to oranges, the raid environments are different

[cursive ridge]

for savage raids, they are released in batches of 4 encounters per patch, and they drop progressively better gear, so by the time the last 4 of the expansion release you can outgear some stuff from earlier savages

[outer mural]

i think you’ll have a good time tho

[patent citrus]

and no trash in between mobs, rotation is more difficult, no addon to tell you mechanics

[worn flume]

ultimate* raids are 15 minutes long
savage raids are around 8 minutes

[warped urchin]

Specifically the boss fights I was told were easier than late mythic bosses during prog in wow

[patent citrus]

3rd party tools are illegal

[cursive ridge]

"illegal"

[warped urchin]

I was told the rotations are easier

By a large amount

[worn flume]

illegal but every raider worth their salt uses them

[honest anvil]

not true ^

[worn flume]

very true

[patent citrus]

in EU probably

[outer mural]

depends entirely on a class, hard wow jobs aren’t really rigid compared to ffxiv’s from what I heard

[honest anvil]

i dont use any

[patent citrus]

in JP, where majorities are console players, they don't need them

[cursive ridge]

i've played every class in wow in legion and bfa, and i can say that FF14 has way more stuff to press and keep in mind especially on classes like dragoon or samurai

[honest anvil]

there’s no need for any add on in this game

[worn flume]

if not you then someone in your raid group will be using them

[patent citrus]

but if you need help with 3rd party tools for clear, do as you see fit

[honest anvil]

unlike wow, no addon = major disadvantage

[outer mural]

i think they mean ACT, not cactbot and shit
most people usually use ACT if they’re doing savage

agree it’s not necessary at all but highly recommended either way

[warped urchin]

More so than things like sub rogue/feral?

[cursive ridge]

about the same

i never bothered much with those two specs as they're so bothersome

[outer mural]

i wouldn’t really call stuff easy until you try it. What’s easy to them may be hyperbole or not easy for you

[warped urchin]

I was told differently so I'll have to look into the rotations a bit in ff14 then

[patent citrus]

not sure, can you show us the example of sub rogue/feral rotation?

afaik they are simpler

[cursive ridge]

it's not the question of rotation

[patent citrus]

and combat works differently

[cursive ridge]

it's that there are 30 buttons on your bars

[outer mural]

yeah do your research, your wow buds may be exaggerating or they may not have the same experience

[cursive ridge]

and you use pretty much all of them

[modest igloo]

ye always be careful of what other people can say, both ffxiv and wow players are on different levels of copium

[outer mural]

mmo players love being hyperbolic about how easy shit is

[leaden ginkgo]

do you need to be gearless for reflect L farm in pyros

[outer mural]

so take it with a grain of salt

[honest anvil]

“easy” is still 5 6 hours for easy savage and 50+ hours for an ultimate anw so … you’ll be busy for a while ^^

[outer mural]

yes

no armor or weak armor = more damage reflected back

[honest anvil]

it helps

[boreal storm]

What job do you play in 14 anyway?

[leaden ginkgo]

how so

[outer mural]

i just said it above that comment

[honest anvil]

scrimbo said it

[worn flume]

5-6 hours for first floors of savage is an exaggeration, most groups will prog them in less than a lockout

[leaden ginkgo]

ohh

[warped urchin]

most likely wrong cause icy veins but heres a gist, I did nathria and quit which was the start of shadowlands https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

[silver ruin]

uh

most groups is an overstatement

lmao

[patent citrus]

oh they still use icy veins

[silver ruin]

theres a shitton of casual and midcore raiders

[warped urchin]

sub has a pretty insane amount of optimization as does feral

[outer mural]

most experienced groups yeah

[silver ruin]

^

but theres also a shitton of inex groups

[outer mural]

casual / lower end of midcore 5-6 is realistic

if not more

[warped urchin]

and when i say feral i mean bloodtalons feral which isn't a thing anymore really

[silver ruin]

so just saying "most groups" as a base line is wrong

[outer mural]

especially if PF

[cursive ridge]

that seems a lot sparser on ability number than i remember

[warped urchin]

yeah game is shit, they watered a lot down

[honest anvil]

even few experience groups do so in less than 1 lockout ~~ assuming blind

[worn flume]

ok but I'm not talking casual

[outer mural]

that’s not most groups, then

[silver ruin]

^

[hasty musk]

we're also talking about this in the context of someone who hasn't even touched ffxiv raids yet

[outer mural]

for every experienced god gamer group you have 3 casual groups struggling on tiles 2 months into the tier

[warped urchin]

this is also true

[worn flume]

sounds like eu just has a different proportion of midcore to casual groups

[silver ruin]

not

[warped urchin]

but we would go pretty ham

[silver ruin]

relaly?

[warped urchin]

and I don't think we'd get walled

[silver ruin]

you're just literally exagerrating stuff lmao

or you dont pay attention to the casual groups

[worn flume]

midcore statics can 100% prog first floor in a lockout

[warped urchin]

(im hoping we do)

[silver ruin]

not all

[cursive ridge]

here's a random rotation picture from google images for dragoon, note that these are all different buttons https://saltedxiv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/DnKcFqr.png

[silver ruin]

again

you are generalizing

please stop

[outer mural]

depends on the group entirely, midcore is a pretty large range

[silver ruin]

we're not talking to someone whos expert at ffxiv raiding, we're talking to someone who hasnt even step foot in one, and generalizing like that is wrong in that context

[warped urchin]

yeah this doesn't seem that simple

seems fairly involved

there's positional requirements as well right?

[boreal storm]

It’s a lvl 80 opener

[outer mural]

you got purple pams and blue billies and green g-first-name

[cursive ridge]

there's a lot of 1-2-3 combos in there

[hasty musk]

all melee jobs have positionals ye

[cursive ridge]

so you press one ability, then another, then the third

in a combo

[patent citrus]

30 buttons average per class basically

[warped urchin]

and my next question is how important is burst execution on something like a ninja?

[hasty musk]

very

[silver ruin]

burst execution is important on every dps job

[warped urchin]

im asking about ninja because sub rogue = ninja im assuming in terms of burst

[silver ruin]

they all have burst phases

ninja=1 burst phase every 60s

[warped urchin]

for sub about 88% of damage comes in your 10 second burst windows

[hasty musk]

although iirc wow has damage hyperconcentrated into burst phases

[cursive ridge]

they're bringing burst windows closer to each other for all jobs in endwalker

[hasty musk]

yeah

[warped urchin]

and that's not current tier

that was uhhh

[outer mural]

burst execution is the core of optimization and coordinatoon for ffxiv coordination

[cursive ridge]

but yeah it's not the same as wow

[silver ruin]

60 and 120 i think they said for EW

[outer mural]

NIN has extra emphasis on that

[hasty musk]

except for raging strikes

[cursive ridge]

for wow burst window = +100% DPS, easily

[hasty musk]

rip BRD players

[outer mural]

they are homogenizing timongs to 60/120s yeah

[cursive ridge]

for 14 it's lower

[silver ruin]

raging strikes, yea

[outer mural]

BRDs still 120 in EW

[warped urchin]

nyalotha

[silver ruin]

and the bards new thing is

90s

LMAO

[warped urchin]

so like 2 years ago lul

[outer mural]

it’s 90s but you delay to 120s

weird but not bad decision

[warped urchin]

I'm debating between NIN/BLM atm

I will probably play both

[hasty musk]

play whatever you want since everything's viable

[warped urchin]

but trying to decide what to boost

[silver ruin]

blm counts on you knowing the fight and where to stand to move the least to do the most damage for optimization

[cursive ridge]

BLM is very different from any other job in the game

[silver ruin]

neither

[outer mural]

NIN’s fun

[cursive ridge]

as they have to stand still a lot more

[silver ruin]

if you read class guides and learn the rotation its fine

[proud sigil]

My msq lvl 20 and question is Lord of the inferno still how many quests for mount

[warped urchin]

this was actually another big issue for me, at a glance none of the classes actually enticed me

[outer mural]

BLM needs optimized movement to shine

[cursive ridge]

they have some cheat movement to compensate

[hasty musk]

you'll have time to level both before the savage raid tier comes out tbh

[silver ruin]

^

[cursive ridge]

but generally they just stand in the fire = dps higher

[silver ruin]

savage doesnt drop till 1 month after ew

[outer mural]

yeah you got 7 weeks starting today

[warped urchin]

I did BLM because of the positional factors

[silver ruin]

stand in fire=healers may let you die or you may die to teh next raid wide if you calculate the amount o f damage you take wrong

[outer mural]

so do what u gotta do

nin positionals are fairly light

it’s 90% rear

[proud sigil]

^

[boreal storm]

They have like 2?

[worn flume]

3

[hasty musk]

I think every melee except MNK has 2-3?

[outer mural]

!faq mount

[zinc orbit]

Mounts FAQ

When can I get my first mount?
The quest that allows you to use mounts, ''My Little Chocobo'', is unlocked by completing the level 20 main story quest ''The Company You Keep''. The quest is located at the Grand Company base you chose, and you'll need to buy a Chocobo Issuance from your Grand Company Quartermaster. You can get the 200 required Grand Company seals by doing the main story quest that comes immediately after ''The Company You Keep''.

Are there any differences between mounts?
Some mounts allow multiple people (2/4/8) to ride at once, with all mounts having the same movement speed. A partial exception to this rule is the SDS Fenrir, a mount from the Mog Station. The SDS Fenrir acts as if you have the first mount speed boost obtained from completing specific quests in the story, making it a bit faster than other mounts, but only until completing the relevant story quests for that zone.

Can I make my mount faster?
Zones have one or two ranks of mount speed that increase the ground speed of mounts. The first rank comes from completing specific quests in the main scenario quests, with the second rank coming from Riding Maps which are bought with either Allied Seals, Centurio Seals, or Bicolor Gemstones. Mount Speed Boosts do not increase the flying speed of mounts.

[outer mural]

very close

[warped urchin]

I essentially just want to play something that will make me feel bad about myself until I play it properly lul

the NIN chicken thing was pretty funny

[silver ruin]

everything

[hasty musk]

yeah that's BLM

[cursive ridge]

BLM then for sure

[silver ruin]

just use ACT

[outer mural]

SAM

[cursive ridge]

if you love to hate yourself

[silver ruin]

and if you can easily tell if you're doing shit for dps

lmao

[hasty musk]

actually no, NIN if you fuck up your burst phase

since it'll be misaligned forever

[warped urchin]

i watched sam rotations and uh

[silver ruin]

yea nin can be rough to hyper optimize i heard

[boreal storm]

BLM is a selfish dps

[warped urchin]

that seemed a bit too straight forward

[patent citrus]

far from it

[hasty musk]

SAM's weirdness is in how strict its rotation is iirc

[patent citrus]

SAM is more complex than NIN

[cursive ridge]

hardest part about SAM is remembering the ability names LUL

[outer mural]

BLM’s pretty straightforward baseline

[silver ruin]

yea if you lose gcds on sam

[worn flume]

monk has 6, ninja and dragoon have 3, samurai has 2

[silver ruin]

you uh

its gonna be monkasteer to get it back together

[outer mural]

tsubame looping is a scourge

though SAM is actively getting easier due to lack of forced looping in EW

[warped urchin]

I'll put it this way, our absolute worst raider from nathria is currently raiding on sam and parsing very well. So we just assumed that it was on the easier side of things.

[hasty musk]

also if you play BLM you're guaranteed to never have a bad job

[patent citrus]

then there you have it

[silver ruin]

how well is very well

like %

[boreal storm]

Sam does big numbers

[silver ruin]

on fflogs

[warped urchin]

I think my bud told me he was avging like 96

[worn flume]

well on what fights?

[silver ruin]

^

that too

[outer mural]

he can’t be that bad then

[silver ruin]

^

alsot hat

[warped urchin]

he got benched 5 times

during tier

[outer mural]

for what

[silver ruin]

what fights is he parsing on

is the more important thing

[hasty musk]

well you don't exactly get benched in this game

[warped urchin]

not sure

[silver ruin]

ask

cause if its extreme trials it doesnt mean shit

[worn flume]

casual content like (older) extremes and alliance raids are cake to parse in

[silver ruin]

anything less than savage, people dont care for

unless its current savage or ultimates

[outer mural]

this feels way more anecdotal than comfortable to get a valid opinion

[silver ruin]

^

we have no idea what hes parsing

[warped urchin]

he was benched because we brought two warriors into tier, only needed one. Was drastically behind the other one.

[silver ruin]

so we cant say if hes good or not

[outer mural]

idk maybe he just sucked at WAR, god at SAM

[warped urchin]

He was doing like 85's our prim warr was top 5 NA

[outer mural]

Skillsets exist

[warped urchin]

sorry thats for wow parses

[silver ruin]

figured but uh

[outer mural]

number 1 sam could be grey parsing SMN

[silver ruin]

at any rate, if we dont know what fights hes parsing in XIV we really cant tell if hes good or not

[hasty musk]

we should probably move this to #endgame-lounge

[silver ruin]

cause people parse some weird stuff sometimes

[cursive ridge]

@warped urchin also the beauty of FF14 combat system is that it's intuitevely understandable which abilities you should press in which order without resorting to guides. sure you might not optimize to 100%, but getting to 95% with just playing the game and reading the tooltips and thinking is enough to extract most of the potential from your job. as opposed to wow where you HAVE TO go to 3rd party site to figure out which talents do more damage and which ability you should press when

[patent citrus]

yeah if you talking about parse casually like that, looks like not a game for you

[hasty musk]

that's not true

[warped urchin]

why is that?

[worn flume]

not true at all

[outer mural]

idk parsing in this game is kinda the endgame goal for a lot of optimizers

speeds too

can’t say the raid community would be as robust without parses at all

[hasty musk]

having a nice community and healthy raiding competition aren't mutually exclusive

[warped urchin]

im a hard nerd in terms of raiding I enjoy 1. Clearing content before others 2. Parsing higher than others now I was told I can do that and enjoy doing that in ff14. Recently had a few friends tell me I'd hate the game though and not to boost.

[outer mural]

like it doesn’t matter to me, i’m in the crowd that clears to clear but

parses matter to a lot of raiders

[hasty musk]

I think you should just play the game and find out

[silver ruin]

^

[hasty musk]

that's really what it comes down to

[warped urchin]

I wish it was as simple as formulate your own opinion but it's either two boosts and EW or spending 200 hours leveling to come to that conclusion

[outer mural]

and hitting blues while i’m peepeepoopoo at the game feels good

[warped urchin]

so trying to absorb as much knowledge and opinions as I can

[silver ruin]

well you get story whatever you do

parsing is a big thing, so is speed kills and uptime strats for hardcore statics

[outer mural]

well depends on if you value your time over your money

that’s it

[silver ruin]

but to get into a static like that you need good parses to show for it already

[patent citrus]

well i've been saying everything is locked behind the story

[hasty musk]

play through SHB and EW, wait for the next raid tier, play it and then see what you think

that's it

[patent citrus]

so you can't treat it like wow, that's for sure

[outer mural]

i would keep an open mind about things

again

[warped urchin]

yeah I guess I just try it and hope

[outer mural]

MMO players love being hyperbolic

so while I’m not saying don’t trust your friends, they may not be the top authority on it all

[warped urchin]

oh no 100%

[zinc orbit]

Automated Message: A Friendly Moogle Reminder

This channel is for new or returning players to ask questions about Final Fantasy XIV. As a reminder this channel is a troll free and an off-topic free zone. For general discussion please use #general-discussion or #beginner-lounge. <@&473626701947994134> are available to help in this channel. Thank-You, Kupo!

[warped urchin]

they're most likely stretching the reality of it

[honest anvil]

you’re a good 100 hours or so away from being able to raid current tier anw soo … take it easy

[hasty musk]

Besides

[outer mural]

i hope you have fun tho

[hasty musk]

when it comes down to it people only raid for glam anyway so

[outer mural]

i think you’ll like what raiding’s like

[warped urchin]

tyvm 🙂 appreciate the help

[silver ruin]

no i raid cause i like raiding

i did ucob 9 times and the weapons look like 90% shit to me

[outer mural]

i ran 60+ sos’s for a dragon

[silver ruin]

^ also that

[hasty musk]

don't lie you want the dyeable gear just as much as everyone else

[outer mural]

[warped urchin]

oh sorry one more question for the current endgame I forget the name now, how many pulls did it take for world first?

[worn flume]

don't think I've ever used a single raid piece as glam, even with BiS on multiple jobs

[silver ruin]

nah i raid cause i like raiding tbh, its something i do with friends

[warped urchin]

would anyone have that info on hand?

[silver ruin]

world first what

ultimate?

[hasty musk]

understandable

[silver ruin]

savage?

[warped urchin]

savage is hardest ye?

[silver ruin]

no

[outer mural]

we dunno exactly but world’s first for raids aren’t really super celebrated like wow’s

[silver ruin]

ultimates

[warped urchin]

or ult

yeah ult

[outer mural]

it took a few days

[cursive ridge]

looks at 2B gear coffer suuuuuuuuure

[worn flume]

we don't know pulls exactly, only the rough amount of time

[silver ruin]

wasnt it like 5 days or some shit for the first tea kill

and they were doing 10+h days probably

[outer mural]

a week or so

[patent citrus]

is wow world first celebrated?

[outer mural]

aye

[warped urchin]

so 10h for 5 days im assuming like 700-1100 pulls?

[warped urchin]

yeah

[silver ruin]

no idea

[outer mural]

the race is pretty crazy i’ve heard

[warped urchin]

I never did a world first in wow but I was top 10 many times

[patent citrus]

weird, looking at their HUD, they need all the help they can get to keep track of things 😂

[silver ruin]

think tps did the current raid tier in like 3 days or something?

[outer mural]

like there’s drama with add-on creators about getting stuff ready for it or whatecer

[silver ruin]

but they also had world first tea (ult) kill

i think

[worn flume]

yeah, it's fun looking at all the world prog livestreams on release week

[cursive ridge]

@warped urchin note that there is literally 0 downtime between pulls in FF14. you all get respawned immediately at the start of the fight fully healed up and none of the 'buffs' you do for raids (food) fall off when you die

[warped urchin]

wow prog is different in one factor I know of and that's dps checks

[patent citrus]

I don't see any fun of it at all

[hasty musk]

is mogtalk a reliable website for world first stuff?

[silver ruin]

xiv also has dps checks

[worn flume]

savage dps checks get rough on the final 2 floors of the tier

[silver ruin]

and mechanics checks

can confirm, week 1 that shit is rough ive heard

[warped urchin]

dps checks at a WF level in wow is pretty next level

[patent citrus]

the only fun in raiding is when you raid with friends

[silver ruin]

if you die the last floor of a tier on week 1

[outer mural]

ult world’s firsts are blind mechanic solving and executing repeatedly

[silver ruin]

if anyone dies, its proably a wipe

[outer mural]

strong mental game needed

idk what wow usually relies on beyond that

but fights in xiv are very scripted so

[silver ruin]

or making new friends when you pug ult in pf

[warped urchin]

wow is mental>dps check>mechanics

[outer mural]

it’s hacking away at it hardcore for world’s first

[silver ruin]

i think in xiv its mental>mechanics=dps check depending how early on release

but thats my opinion

[outer mural]

mental = mechanics > DPS

[worn flume]

savage has dps checks and healing checks, there are mechanics where tanks need to co-operate and plan mitigation, everyone needs to know their shit

[silver ruin]

and ult everyone really needs to know their shit + be consistent

[outer mural]

mental game being great ain’t gonna carry if you can’t help solve and execute mechanics

[silver ruin]

true

[outer mural]

it’s both intertwined

[boreal storm]

Mechanics will kill you if done incorrectly

[warped urchin]

mechanics in wow are very hard as well, its just the way wow works if blizz actually brings in WF raiders to test the raid before release

[outer mural]

dps goes last because once u get mechs it’s over for learning besides optimizations

[warped urchin]

and they tune boss hp based off of that

so they make it at tight as possible for additional malding factor

it's actually a feature I don't enjoy

[silver ruin]

yea ok im inclined to agree with scrimblo now that they explained their perspective on it

[warped urchin]

because you resort to booting players/multi classing/cheese

[outer mural]

wow tuning has also incidentally led to some mathematically impossible fights no?

[silver ruin]

cuz people will sometimes not wipe pulls just to see more mechs even if half the team is down while progging

[warped urchin]

yeah

[outer mural]

older wow at least

[warped urchin]

but its not like a 20% difference

the mathematicallly impossible ones are like 0.04% off

[outer mural]

[warped urchin]

at least recent ones

some of the old fights were pretty lul

[hasty musk]

if you can do a mechanic you can figure out how to keep melee uptime for that mechanic

[outer mural]

i don’t remember if ffxiv has had mathematically impossible fights ever

[hasty musk]

I don't think so?

[worn flume]

ffxiv has had undertuned but not overtuned fights

[silver ruin]

or cry when you gotta completely disengage cause theres no way to stay engaged for it

[outer mural]

there are some clenchers for checks tho

[warped urchin]

so maybe this is a better way of asking, when these ff14 world firsts occur, are there often times dead raiders at the last 30 seconds?

[outer mural]

e11s was a menace on first few weeks for tolerable mechanics, nuts dps check

iirc*

[silver ruin]

irc some of the world killers had 1 or 2 deaths and still cleared

but yea it was a menace

[hasty musk]

can we perhaps move to #endgame-lounge since this is no longer a question

[outer mural]

valid

[silver ruin]

last 30 seconds of the fight? or?

[warped urchin]

for instance, wow world firsts look like this

effectively the hps/dps checks become so absurd that you have raiders dead on prog

[silver ruin]

id assume its possible honestly if they get smacked by enrage or something

[mild mountain]

Is there any event currently?

[silver ruin]

mog tome event

[hasty musk]

the mogtome event?

[warped urchin]

these people don't die to mechanics they die to soft enrage/oom healers

or hard enrage

[silver ruin]

e12s terminal relativity comes to mind for that

[warped urchin]

in some cases

[silver ruin]

hard enrage isnormally party wide wipe for savage

[worn flume]

at endgame healers generally don't go oom unless they have to res people

[silver ruin]

but for ultimates, quite possibly cause it targets 1 at a time for enrage

[warped urchin]

okay yeah that answers that tyvm

[cursive ridge]

@warped urchin there is no limit on the amount of battleresses you can do in ff14. the ressed people get a -25% mainstat debuff for 1 min that stacks 2 times, but other than that, as long as healers have mana, they can res people

[warped urchin]

hmm this is tough 🤔

I appreciate all the feedback btw

incredibly indecisive person, my apologies

[cursive ridge]

also 2 dps jobs have resurrect too, SMN and RDM

[outer mural]

you’re better than most people that can’t decide for their life

you actually respond and listen to answers

[hasty musk]

BLM res when

[boreal storm]

RDM’s gimmick is insta casting every other spell, so if the healers are dead

[warped urchin]

I have one good option 1. Play ff14 2. give blizzard money aka shit option (either one just until early 2022)

[silver ruin]

blms barely move for mechs you gonna expect em to waste a gcd on a raise?

[hasty musk]

nope lmao

it's just funny to think about them being the only dps caster to not have one

[silver ruin]

raid tier for xiv isnt coming out till

jan 3rd i think it was?

[warped urchin]

BLM seems like a ton of fun to me

[silver ruin]

something like that

[warped urchin]

the positional requirements looks really cool

[hasty musk]

play BLM so you have something that won't be nerfed

[worn flume]

savage releases 4th jan, normal on 21st december

[warped urchin]

im not in love with the skills, but I like the ley line mechanics

[silver ruin]

"positional requirements" are basically, know the fight or lose uptime

[outer mural]

yeah no more chrimbo raid

[silver ruin]

also yea dont drop leylines

[warped urchin]

so two weeks to prep?

[cursive ridge]

yoshi-p mains BLM, so it'll always be a priority

[outer mural]

[silver ruin]

yea

[warped urchin]

im sorry another question, how much effort goes into gearing in those two weeks would you guys say?

[silver ruin]

last 2 tiers of the expansion you hav eno prep time like that

[silver ruin]

depends how fast you plan on killing the tier honestly

[warped urchin]

uh sorry that's a bad way to ask that

[silver ruin]

the faster you wanna kill (Eg week 1 or world race) = more prep time

that you need to take

[warped urchin]

for the competitive raiding scene how many hours would those players be playing a day in your opinions?

[silver ruin]

for gearing ?

[warped urchin]

yeah

gearing/prepping

[silver ruin]

tbh couple hours a day at the most

maybe every few days

[worn flume]

^ some only run expert dungeons at most to cap tomestomes

[silver ruin]

but thats only the first tier

[warped urchin]

damn, a game that cares about player health

nice

[silver ruin]

the second tier and third tiers

its rush

[warped urchin]

at the very least you guys have amazing devs

[silver ruin]

cause you need crafted gear

[dusty shard]

does materia melded in gear still give bonus spirit bond ?

[silver ruin]

and that drops WITH the raids

[warped urchin]

big jelly

[silver ruin]

so you gotta be up at patch if you wanna basically world prog for the 2nd and 3rd tiers

[warped urchin]

I see

[worn flume]

for the second and third tiers you'll generally be fine running the first 2 floors with last tier's BiS, lots of world prog groups have crafters making gear for them during that time ready for floors 3-4

[cursive ridge]

@warped urchin there are 4 ways of gearing for current content - clearing the latest raid, spending your tomestones (think valor badges) on gear (identical in ilvl to current content raid), spending your tomestones (the uhhh the lesser badges, heroism i think they were) on lower ilvl gear, crafting somewhat lower ilvl gear than current content

[silver ruin]

theres only the 4 week extension cause its a new expansion

[warped urchin]

so effectively i'd never be in the position where I would be looking at grinding 14 hours a day for two weeks to be raid ready?

[silver ruin]

not really no

[warped urchin]

okay nice

[silver ruin]

most of the prep is having money to throw at crafters to do the gearing stuff for you

[hasty musk]

I don't see why it would be different

[silver ruin]

while you do the actual raiding

[warped urchin]

this video was actually what got me really interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLoko-TILLk

[silver ruin]

thats the most recent ultimate

[worn flume]

yes

[silver ruin]

the next one is slated for 4 ? ish months after the savage drop to get people time to gear in bis

[warped urchin]

and you guys don't have trash in raids right?

or at least not a lot

[hasty musk]

not anymore

[silver ruin]

not a lot no

[worn flume]

no, we get adds at most

[silver ruin]

^

[warped urchin]

that is big

wish all mmos did that

[hasty musk]

raids are more or less just trials that're meant to be experienced sequentially

[warped urchin]

its cool for farming gold but huge PITA when progging

[silver ruin]

that being said

gear aint cheap for world prog

1 set runs 20m+ for world prog times

[warped urchin]

yeah I was told that

[worn flume]

crafted gear goes for around 6-8 mil per piece on day 1

[warped urchin]

fairly used to that in WoW as well

[cursive ridge]

@warped urchin example: current savage raid drops 530 ilvl, current "valor" badges get you 530 gear, current "heroism" badges give you 500 ilvl gear, current best crafted gear is 520

[silver ruin]

early hours yea, iti drops later in the day

[dusty shard]

its just that my brass ring 1 ith materia and 1 without have the same spiritbond gain

[silver ruin]

but sets were like 7m+ still at the end of the day

atleast in primal

[warped urchin]

and also did endwalker have a beta?

[silver ruin]

no

[hasty musk]

early access is 3 days before launch

[worn flume]

no, we have early access for preorders and that's only a few days

[silver ruin]

yea its not really a beta

at that point its basically done

[warped urchin]

I see so know tier list or knowledge of class balance

I know it's not drastic in difference

[silver ruin]

nope

[raw granite]

Inhouse testing baby

[warped urchin]

but still nice to see

[silver ruin]

they change stuff mid expansion too

like on major patches

[warped urchin]

yeah I don't mind that

[silver ruin]

potencies etc

or the time they ripped out energy drain and had to put it back in

[worn flume]

yeah, jobs can still get major rebalances in the time between expansion launch and raid release

[silver ruin]

^

[warped urchin]

oh so they will actually balance in those two weeks

[silver ruin]

if needed yes

[outer mural]

a class that’s bad at launch will eventually be fixed

[warped urchin]

have you guys ever seen nerfs rather than buffs?

[silver ruin]

yes

[warped urchin]

spooky 0.0

[outer mural]

yes but usually justified

[silver ruin]

^

[outer mural]

not like it cripples a class

[silver ruin]

its not wow levels of nerf like totally unviable

[hasty musk]

it's only a 20% buff per materia according to the wiki so it's not that noticible, and even then melding materia isn't very important early on anyway

[outer mural]

the last nerf i remember was tri-disaster potency nerf to balance out SMN’s nuts performance

[warped urchin]

we have 3 players who have done ultis who may or may not end up playing with us, so I'm not sure how ham we are going to be able to go with our limited knowledge

so not going to worry too much about meta

until that situation is concrete

[outer mural]

get good at your jobs and you’ll be gold

[hasty musk]

play BLM, throw Fire IV, laugh maniacally

[cursive ridge]

your meta should be to bring different jobs

[hasty musk]

big boom

[worn flume]

all jobs are viable so meta only matters for like the top 0.1% of speedkill groups