makes sense
#questions-and-help
faint flare
Monk is just perma fast now
leaden ginkgo
I might try out MNK
for a new player is worth it buying a level/story skip to play the expansion and the endgame?
now that they are "fixed"
faint flare
No maia
leaden ginkgo
I would say no Maia
faint flare
Skipping is basically skipping 90% of the game
Plus you dont learn anything and be completely clueless
warm snow
Which could lead to you being in shit you're not ready for and pissing off your teammates
vernal urchin
the game has a nice story and a pretty decent learning curve
warm snow
That and ARR is a lot faster since 5.3
leaden ginkgo
ARR was very enjoyable to me
faint flare
It depends on the shield
ripe hound
Hun I did not know that
faint flare
Its like 15-18%
ripe hound
kk
faint flare
The block strength determines it...higher ilvl shields means more block
ripe hound
kk
ripe hound
Also Intervention is only used on others right?
I mean unless you need to stack Shelton and Intervention
remote lintel
you cant put intervention on yourself
verbal rune
So
About drk
I know that normally is just spam aoe with 2+ enemy
But where do his skills that don't share a global count down fit?
As in, the jumping one and the one that recovers mana
faint flare
You just use them on cooldown
verbal rune
Between aoe /main combo skill?
ripe hound
Also Intervention can be useful when progging right?
ripe hound
kk
verbal rune
Kay
ripe hound
Can Cover ever be useful during Blind Prog?
long field
game is down today right?
ripe hound
I'm working on making skill spreadsheets and I don't know if I should keep this ability on the list...
open ember
Game is down all day
ripe hound
Like, in theory there are no bad abilities and every ability should be on the list....
zinc orbitBOT
remote lintel
cover can be fine if someones about to die
ripe hound
Yeah I'll just keep it on the table
leaden ginkgo
Theres a max ilvl cap?
remote lintel
technically theres a soft cap
ripe hound
Is Parry the same as Block?
faint flare
And only Gunbreaker can increase parry rate
ripe hound
kk
leaden ginkgo
Ilvl 535 is enough to beat the most hard activities?
remote lintel
the average ilvl cap will be 530
and yes thats endgame ilvl
like for hardcore players
manic flare
Will new gear released in future updates make soloing for example shinryu much easier?
remote lintel
in 6.0 probably yeah
manic flare
Like if I can't solo shinryu I shouldn't worry about it too much?
remote lintel
nobody can solo shinryu
gritty oracle
byakko might actually become harder because skipping will be harder to pull off
manic flare
Also before the new expac came out, was extreme thordan as hard as extreme shinryu now?
Where the best gear was Shire gear
remote lintel
the best gear was scaevan
faint flare
Thordan was pretty challenging since there's a big mechanic onslaught
warm snow
Thordon is only annoying because of the mechanics
If you have a full party that knows what they're doing he's ez
vocal star
twilit arch
there is a maint happening
manic flare
@warm snow that's also true for shinryu isn't it
warm snow
No idea I legit haven't touched shinryu since I finished sb
remote lintel
it will work when we can download the patch
warm snow
That's where you're wrong kiddo
Launcher still pings a server for version check
And all those servers are down for maint too
slate carbon
raid gear gonna be expensive :( is there a guide on how to level crafters and gatheres fast?
remote lintel
ishgard restoration, gc turn ins, leves, beast tribe
warm snow
^^^
leaden ginkgo
FFXIV Boot Error
Unable to complete version check.
[30605][504]
OK
Getting this error. Tried changing boot config to 1, deleting boot config file, reinstalling launcher, reinstalling the game, anything else I can try?
remote lintel
theres a maint
warm snow
Maintenance for the Next 16 hours
remote lintel
you cant launch the launcher
remote lintel
that happens on all maints
leaden ginkgo
I didn't see any notice, haven't booted the game up in a few days. That's fair, this is the first time it's happened for me. Usually the launcher opens and it says I can't boot while under maintenance.
remote lintel
you will be able to boot the launcher when we can download the patch
leaden ginkgo
Noted, thanks.
warm snow
For big maintenance all servers go down including the version check servers that stop/allow launcher to boot up
leaden ginkgo
Ah, fair point. So i'm guessing the yokai event is being removed.
warm snow
Yup
remote lintel
you can check how long we have left by using !maint in #kupo-bot-spam
warm snow
To be fair they've been saying yokai would end when 5.4 dropped for months
leaden ginkgo
Thanks guys, sorry for living under a rock.
remote lintel
its np
leaden ginkgo
To be fair they've been saying yokai would end when 5.4 dropped for months
I know, I'm not worried. It's just the only thing in the launcher I noticed that would warrant disabling it.
warm snow
Theres a ton of patch notes in #lodestone-news-na if you want to see what's coming
lavish vortex
What time does the game goes up again?
remote lintel
you can check how long we have left by using `!maint` in <#300676822213984257>
this
warm snow
15.5 hours
lavish vortex
Thanks!
leaden ginkgo
raid gear gonna be expensive :( is there a guide on how to level crafters and ga...
By the time you level crafters, a week or so will have passed already
Then you still gotta grind the scrips needed for books etc.
Then spend another day gathering & crafting everything
You should have done it before, or saved gil to buy new crafted gear
slate carbon
Yea, I have 5mil saved up. I'm gonna do it for next time because I put it off all the time then this happens and I'm like if I leveled them I would be set
remote lintel
you could get the mats and have someone craft them for you
warm snow
Imagine not have lv80 on all crafters
remote lintel
i hate crafting so
slate carbon
I figured it would be nice to start in the meantime, while waiting for the static to get on
twilit arch
you also don't really need the crafted set right off the bat unless you're pushing for a first week clear
unborn light
Is Kaelryn still here/
remote lintel
thats kael
unborn light
Snow?
twilit arch
yes, what do you need?
warm snow
The new raid and new dungeon stuff will probably be enough
remote lintel
unborn light
(or $10)
twilit arch
I appreciate it, but no thank you
unborn light
No worries, thanks for helping us here!
slate carbon
to be fair, I started raiding for the first time in August I didnt know raid gear and food was a lot until I had to buy it for my xharacter
remote lintel
leaden ginkgo
Sorry
remote lintel
np lol
sacred flame
What're macros?
open coral
Macros are combined shortcuts that sequentially execute a series of commands.
sacred flame
Can you set them on console?
open coral
So for example, you could make a macro like:
/em greeting
/say Hello everyone!
warm snow
yes but you still have to type them out
sacred flame
So it helps with farming :o
warm snow
but you can use a usb keyboard on your console
open coral
You can make macros on any platform.
remote lintel
macros are usually used for crafting/gathering and not combat
open coral
^
warm snow
see #protips-and-ui for more tips
remote lintel
and yes the game has a built in macro system
warm snow
the only comat macro you'll see regularly is swiftcast + rez
sacred flame
Gotta look into it
open coral
Yes, the #doh-dol-lounge should have a handful of crafting sequence macros.
little swift
the only comat macro you'll see regularly is swiftcast + rez
100% do not do this
sacred flame
Why not?
little swift
Ground target macros are the only ones that are ok
open coral
It is... inadvisable... to macro combat commands together because you lose time.
And they're prone to glitching because of server lag.
little swift
Macros do not queue like regular actions do
open coral
So they get interrupted.
sacred flame
Oof
little swift
So they delay your gcd
open coral
Macros function on full-second timers while the gcd is actually on a two-decimal timer.
little swift
and overtime it adds up
open coral
So you'd have to /wait 3 between each command, which effectively loses you about 0.73s per command.
sacred flame
This might be dumb but console is set with it's hotkeys right?
sacred flame
Only 8 hotkeys available
faint flare
You have alot more
obsidian patio
Each crossbar has access to 16 buttons at once
open coral
Console has, in the default crossbar - 16 commands and 8 crossbars.
obsidian patio
Lemme find a pic of mine from #protips-and-ui to show a class as an example
sacred flame
Sorry brain went smooth
remote lintel
theres a double tap setting or hold setting to access a 2nd/3rd hotbar easily
faint flare
You can hotkey everything on controller with duplicates and consumables and space to spare
obsidian patio
open coral
I don't think I ever use more than two and a half crossbars for any class on controller.
obsidian patio
My DRK crossbars
remote lintel
i use 2 hotbars for every class except sam
open coral
40 total binds, and that includes things like utility items, teleports, mounts, and consumables.
obsidian patio
All my mounts and stuff like that are on an entirely separate crossbar to save more room for combat
remote lintel
^
sacred flame
How'd you get all that?
obsidian patio
I basically use all 8 sets for various stuff
remote lintel
i have my "out of combat" hotbar
open coral
Wynne's using the WXHB setup.
So you can effectively view up to 32(?) distinct binds at a time.
remote lintel
theres an option to tick "always show WXHB" but i forget which tab its in
obsidian patio
And I have a PC hotbar below my crossbar to track cool downs
obsidian patio
Along with another hotbar going through the main crossbar for more essential stuff
open coral
And honestly 32 binds is plenty for pretty much any class in the entire game.
sacred flame
That picture is confusing asl
sacred flame
So you play with keyboard and controller?
manic flare
There wasn't a 24 hr maintenance for the last patch was there?
open coral
There was, yes.
zinc orbitBOT
obsidian patio
No, the PC hotbars are purely for looking at
open coral
The PC hotbars just let him know when things are off cd so he has them front and center instead of having to split focus.
obsidian patio
I am a wild person with ADHD so my mind wants to track lots of things
sacred flame
Ohh
open coral
I do something similar, but I use macros to let me know when things are off cd.
I have them play system sounds.
sacred flame
Ok that picture gave me a brainfart
hoary storm
There wasn't a 24 hr maintenance for the last patch was there?
no, its only for big patches like this one
sacred flame
Is the default hud bad?
remote lintel
eh
open coral
Not at all.
remote lintel
its preference
sacred flame
I can't see my aether when i enter 8man stuff
remote lintel
the limit break?
open coral
Personally, I more or less use the HUD in its default form, although I've moved and resized a few elements to make it easier for myself.
sacred flame
The summoner aether
remote lintel
you can move it
sacred flame
I don't know how to use limit break lol
open coral
You can move and resize any element of the HUD to your preference.
remote lintel
theres a limit break skill in actions and traits
under general
you use that to use LB
sacred flame
Each person has their own?
open coral
No
It's shared for the whole party.
Usually melee dps are expected to use it.
Sometimes there are mechanics that require a tank or ranged dps to use it instead though.
sacred flame
Isn't it better for summoners to not use it
verbal rune
Except rare istances
sacred flame
Oh ok
remote lintel
for single target the melee use it
faint flare
Caster Limit break is better when there's 2+ targets
open coral
As a SMN you're not often going to be called on to use LB
faint flare
Most often used on large trash pulls
open coral
I can think of... one boss where rdps LB is used instead of melee LB
faint flare
If your tank pulls alot of mobs and you have limit break ready, feel free ti use it
verbal rune
I can think of... one boss where rdps LB is used instead of melee LB
There is also the upcoming stuff
sacred flame
Can you play with keyboard and controller at the same time?
faint flare
Cause you hit adds and boss
open coral
I was actually thinking of the final boss in Ghymlit
remote lintel
@sacred flame no
faint flare
Well yeah that too
verbal rune
Also alexander and coil 4 requires the tank limit break
remote lintel
i was thinking of sos ex where ranged can hit the 2 adds
open coral
On account of I've never really done much Savage 😄
sacred flame
Typing with controller is pain
remote lintel
you can plug in a usb keyboard closet
open coral
^
sacred flame
Aight ty
open coral
As a controller/PS4 player I highly recommend investing in a USB keyboard.
Or suffer.
obsidian patio
Same
sacred flame
Gotta whip out the dusty keyboard lol
open coral
The software keyboard on PS4 is garbage.
obsidian patio
I usually just go with cheap 30 dollar keyboards and they last a couple months to a year
open coral
I have a nice $10 keyboard that I expect to last at least 10. It's not a gaming keyboard, but a wired "business" keyboard.
remote lintel
i play on PC with controller lol
sacred flame
Just having the keyboard connected won't mess with my controls right?
remote lintel
no it wont
faint flare
No
open coral
Speaking of which, any recommendations for PS4-like controllers for PC @remote lintel ? Since you play PC with controller.
open coral
I bought the PC version of XIV on sale a few weeks ago, but I was struggling with kbm input.
So I need a good controller similar to what I'm used to playing with on PS4
verbal rune
You know
remote lintel
i'm sure theres 3rd party dualshock controllers out there
verbal rune
You could hook the dualshock to pc
sacred flame
Does the party take up almost the entierty of your left half of the screen or is it just me?
verbal rune
That's what i do
naive kraken
why dont people like dualshocks? they are the best XD
open coral
Just resize it @sacred flame
remote lintel
i never understood the buttons
open coral
It tends to get in the way.
verbal rune
why dont people like dualshocks? they are the best XD
Most are used to xbox asymmetrical sticks
remote lintel
also the UI size depends on your resolution
open coral
Dualshocks have... standard controller buttons.
sacred flame
Got me knocked out of map once
open coral
Oh. I guess?
verbal rune
What's so odd?
remote lintel
i grew up with nintendo and xbox so :P
open coral
I've had PS systems since the PS2, so I'm just used to it.
verbal rune
i grew up with nintendo and xbox so :P
Tbf you can change the button inputs shown to be as Xbox ones
twilit arch
verbal rune
So it says A, B, X and Y
remote lintel
i dont have a PS console anyway
verbal rune
Rip
remote lintel
¯_(ツ)_/¯
verbal rune
To me it's the exact opposite
twilit arch
just because maint is happening doesn't mean the rules go to heck
twilit arch
since my subtle comment was too subtle, this is #not-ffxiv-discussion for this channel
teal pond
Hello I played final fantasy XIV a couple years back and have been wanting to get into it, basicly 5 days back and forth with support because my security questions and age weren't set right. I finally managed to get into my account and have been trying to install the game for a couple hours now. After I tried a bunch of different fixes It still gave the same error "Unable to complete version check" I think it might be because the servers are down but im not sure, and if thats the case I am unable to find when the servers will be back up again. Any help is appreciated!
twilit arch
there is currently a maintenance happening
so yeah the error is related to that, you'll be able to download the game sometime later tonight when they push the patch to the servers
teal pond
thanks for the quick response! from that im also gathering there isnt a known time for when theyre done? I know I shoulb be more patient but im just excited to try it again
little swift
5am est
little swift
13 hours roughly
teal pond
thats really nice, im new to the server so I missed that, thanks
leaden ginkgo
anyone else having trouble logging in? getting a version check error 
remote lintel
read above
warm snow
Scroll up
open ermine
For all those getting version checks, 5.4 is currently being updated into the game so no one can get into the game
brave ravine
someone should just copy and paste the answer every couple minutes
remote lintel
its a 24 hr maint
warm snow
Actually twice that
remote lintel
like we said
warm snow
We're only 11 hours in
brave ravine
it would help a lot if Square had the foresight to just display a message on their launcher on the lines of "hey, maintenance is happening. Come back in 24hrs"
warm snow
We should have a reusable bot command but mods are concerned about spam
warm snow
The server that gives those errors is also down
And they can't have that be the default In case they have someone with a legitimately bad connection
open ermine
in game and outside of game
Not everyone plays the game 7 days a week.
remote lintel
the warnings were displayed like 2 days before the patch was going to happen
leaden ginkgo
i'm planning to resub the game , i havent played since stormblood dropped , hows the community doing , any changes i should be aware of ?
warm snow
It was announced on the 27 of november
remote lintel
^
warm snow
-_-
remote lintel
@leaden ginkgo community has grown bigger
leaden ginkgo
oh thats great to hear
warm snow
Tp doesn't exist any more
fierce cobalt
So as a 5.3 starter I'm not familiar with the song and dance that comes with a raid patch, what's the general pathways to get to Savage?
I know crafted into augmented crafted is strong but I probably can't afford a full set week 1, what are all my options?
warm snow
If you had endgame gear in 5.3 that should do you for now
leaden ginkgo
is the game down until tuesday evening?
warm snow
Depends on your timezone
remote lintel
tues morning
warm snow
13 more hours @leaden ginkgo
remote lintel
for ET and PT
leaden ginkgo
I think it's 230am right?
remote lintel
2 am pt
leaden ginkgo
just trying to time to sell my materia at inflated prices
twilit arch
if you're not aiming for a week 1 clear, then don't really need crafted gear
open ermine
For me, its 2 am Tuesday (I'm on pacific time)
fierce cobalt
I don't have 5.3 endgame, a mix of 480-490 gear
twilit arch
just work on capping revelations and getting your weekly normal mode token
leaden ginkgo
wondering if I should wait a day for the demand to raise prices a lot
leaden ginkgo
does anyone here who's experienced with materia selling during updates have any suggestions about waiting?
I have a bunch of materia
warm snow
Neo ishgardian will probably be super cheap soon
leaden ginkgo
prob like at least 1M worth
remote lintel
materia should be selling at high prices day 1
twilit arch
you should put materia up asap
leaden ginkgo
noice
twilit arch
if you're wanting to bank on the pentamelders
remote lintel
no it doesnt
warm snow
Launcher servers are also down for maintenance
leaden ginkgo
I heard you get angel wings in new update
that you can fly with
how does that work?
remote lintel
you cant fly with them
warm snow
Wut
remote lintel
and that might be in 5.45 or something
remote lintel
no its part of the parasol system
remote lintel
yes
warm snow
Or those concert torches
leaden ginkgo
can you use them while you're fighting?
remote lintel
no
warm snow
I mean whm kinda can lol
fierce cobalt
Don't i need a ilvl500 to reach Savage this tier? What are my options for upgrades other than crafted? Doesn't have to be week 1-2
leaden ginkgo
damn, I was excited about it being like a quasi mount or something
warm snow
Only 480 @fierce cobalt apparently
remote lintel
you cant use mounts when fighting
outer plank
Don't i need a ilvl500 to reach Savage this tier? What are my options for upgrad...
emerald weapon. previous savage raid gear
warm snow
You can buy gear with tomestone as well
outer plank
you can get allegory much easier
warm snow
For doing roulettes and treasure maps
outer plank
so augmented crystarium stuff
warm snow
Allegory stuff starts at 490 iirc
leaden ginkgo
when i left i was at ilevel 113 , whats the best way to get my item level up , i remember having trouble getting into raids to get better ilevel
warm snow
And there's no daily cap on them any more
remote lintel
@leaden ginkgo do the msq
leaden ginkgo
@twilit arch do you think bots will set the relative prices right at launch?
outer plank
Allegory stuff starts at 490 iirc
coins will be uncapped
so he can just get some from a few alliance runs
twilit arch
🤷♀️
leaden ginkgo
so shadowbringers ? should i buy it ?
remote lintel
yes if you want to progress
outer plank
so shadowbringers ? should i buy it ?
do you like the game?
warm snow
@leaden ginkgo finish msq for whatever expansion you're on then buy stuff with poetics tomestone from Blue bag merchants
remote lintel
also ilvl 113 is like ARR level
warm snow
Repeat until you finish ShB
remote lintel
stormblood is in the 300s iirc
warm snow
Iirc sb poetics gear gets to 400
leaden ginkgo
idk i finished stormblood mainstory quest at that lvl haha
remote lintel
that cant be right
twilit karma
Yeah lvl 70 SB starts at 290 and goes to 400
remote lintel
youd get one shot
leaden ginkgo
i could be remembering it wrong , but i'm pretty sure i finished stormblood msq
do u think the shadowbringer story is better than HW ?
warm snow
That's cool, if you've finished that ShB might be worth it for you
Yes
They're close but I prefer ShB
leaden ginkgo
i hated stormblood alot lmao
remote lintel
a lot of people didnt like it
remote lintel
but generally shb is considered the best expansion
leaden ginkgo
stormblood felt like playing the main story quest tbh which is why i disliked it , alright thats great to hear ty
remote lintel
fetch quests i assume
warm snow
Probably a better discussion for #general-discussion anyways
zinc orbitBOT
warm snow
Oh hey it works
leaden ginkgo
do you guys know how many gb the update is?
trying to balance cyberpunk with update lol
faint flare
Not until the patch download hits
leaden ginkgo
prob less than 4gb right?
ionic sinew
hello guys. im getting an error code [30605][504] when i try to launch the game
remote lintel
read above
warm snow
!faq maint
faint flare
Maintenance
zinc orbitBOT
ionic sinew
oofff thank you
warm snow
Just repeating so guys here know that command
sly anchor
Thanks kupo bot
little swift
Don't use this to answer questions in here itz more of a joke faq
fierce cobalt
Is there a stat difference between augumented resistance weapons or recollection weapons?
twilit arch
no recollected is just the glowy version
fierce cobalt
I need the non glowey version first right?
twilit arch
Yes augmented upgrades into recollection
boreal ginkgo
I need helps guys this patch is taking too long
warm snow
Take a 12 hour nap
fierce cobalt
I literally unlocked bozjan yesterday is it worth aiming for the that weapon this patch or there's much easier options?
Anyone have ballpark figures on how long the 20 each dying frags take?
twilit arch
it'll be a pretty decent weapon
obsidian patio
It’s a nice quick starting weapon for the first step
pulsar talon
random question they show in the patch notes overmelding a belt at 2% is that just a weird error or are they actually making overmelding a lower %....or am i missing something?
obsidian patio
The % depends on the grade of materia and how many overmelds you’re at
warm snow
@fierce cobalt those weapons will be upgradeable in 5.5 and will probably need up being the best weapons in ShB by the time we get to the next expansion
warm snow
Also more accessible than savage raid weapons
pulsar talon
right the current crafted belts at the same materia level is 5% not 2%
which is why im confused
zinc orbitBOT
fierce cobalt
Anyone know how long will it take for the frag farm?
warm snow
With a pf fate farm not too long
Maybe a day between all 66 memories if you farm outside bozna
fierce cobalt
Depending on prices I might just go straight into 510 wep crafted
warm snow
I mean sure but come 5.45 the relic will probably surpass that
Also that definitely won't be cheap
twilit karma
random question they show in the patch notes overmelding a belt at 2% is that ju...
It's because it's an NQ belt. HQ should still be 5%
obsidian patio
Oh HQ has higher rates? Completely forgot about that
twilit karma
Yeah pretty sure that's how it goes
pulsar talon
thats silly that a nq belt has a lower chance to meld but
ill take your word for it lol
fleet moth
So wait, so before today, did greased lightning also increase damage potencies? Or was it just an attack speed buff?
twilit karma
It used to up damage too
warm snow
It was both
faint flare
It increased damage.yes
gloomy mortar
Is it worth upgrading from 490 to 500? Or just wait to grind the 520 or whatever
warm snow
But now it's just a trait that increases attack speed
faint flare
Now the damage buff is baked into skills
warm snow
More ilevel is always better but it'll be up to you
obsidian patio
Is it worth upgrading from 490 to 500? Or just wait to grind the 520 or whatever
If you want to do Emerald EX right away then yes
warm snow
Same for the new savage raids
gloomy mortar
So when you have 520 gear, will 5.3 savages be easier or Will gear all be normalized to a 490 level?
obsidian patio
Extremes/savages don’t have an upper ilvl sync so they’ll be easier
fierce cobalt
One token per chapter of edens promise each week, meaning I can only earn 4 tokens from normal a week?
Or even less than that
gloomy mortar
I didn’t read any changes to Nuts, are there any?
gloomy mortar
What about bicolor gemstones?
fierce cobalt
What's ilvl of the weapon from Eden normal?
vestal needle
is there a cap on eden normal?
vestal needle
dont we need like 4 tokens for an equip?
faint flare
For chest/legs
leaden ginkgo
when does the maintenance end?
twilit arch
!faq edenloot
zinc orbitBOT
leaden ginkgo
thanks
obsidian patio
Head/arms/boots want 2 tokens, accessories and belt want 1 token
twilit arch
er right that doesn't show the amounts needed =.=
fierce cobalt
Oh drop table are always static?
obsidian patio
So far, yes
faint flare
Yes
twilit arch
yes
gloomy mortar
yes
fierce cobalt
What do people usually roll for early on? The left side armour pieces?
vestal needle
What ilvls are the new equip?
vestal needle
crafted 510, eden 520, eden savage 530?
faint flare
Yes
dusky forum
so when i start up ff14 on steam i get a error message about "unable to complete verison check. [30605][504]"
faint flare
Maintenance
icy horizon
scroll up
dusky forum
oh
vestal needle
@dusky forum game is down for 25 hours
icy horizon
le epic server maintenance has arrived
brave ravine
we can upgrade crafted from 510 to 520 day0 , correct?
vestal needle
thank wynne!
faint flare
No
dusky forum
wait its in for maintenance 25 hours?
icy horizon
yes
faint flare
Crafted upgrade is later
twilit arch
augmented crafted is released in odd patches
icy horizon
by now its more like 13
dusky forum
well damn time to do my homework i guess
icy horizon
young scholars of america unite
brave ravine
but savage loot starts at 530 that's too huge a disparity
obsidian patio
That’s why there’s Revelry gear
faint flare
You get upgrade items for tome gear from savage as drops
vestal needle
is revelry....tome gear?
twilit arch
augmented crafted is added as catch up gear
faint flare
Yes
obsidian patio
The crafted set is, along with whatever bits and pieces you get from savage, good enough to beat the tier
vestal needle
how hard would it be to craft the new set if I already have BIS for 5.35?
faint flare
Melded Aethese?
vestal needle
yea
obsidian patio
If it’s pentamelded you probably have the minimum needed stats
vestal needle
aww man.....that doesnt sound fun
obsidian patio
Or at least melded good with Tier 8 in all visible slots and the first overmeld
brave ravine
did stormblood not have a new set of crafter/gatherer gear in 4.5?
obsidian patio
We may or may not get the rest of the professional white scrip gear slots in 5.4
twilit arch
land/handking was added with 4.4
obsidian patio
AKA the belt/accessories/offhand
twilit arch
So the most we'll probably get is the accessories for professional, maybe augmented profressional gear
brave ravine
yeah but those'll be 480 ilvl
obsidian patio
Melded Aesthete is expect to remain the best set for the rest of SHB
With the Skysung tool possibly beating pentamelded Aesthete when that’s fully done
celest escarp
thoughts on monk with the rework?
obsidian patio
Balance discord math people say it’s a minor overall DPS gain
brave ravine
they didnt go far enough. Needed to remove positionals and add a touch of death move
obsidian patio
Positional are half the difficulty of Monk. Removing that makes them extremely brain dead
brave ravine
exactly
obsidian patio
And touch of death was removed for the same reason that other standalone DoTs were: they awkwardly fit themselves in the rotation with not much thought in them
faint flare
Sonic break says hello
obsidian patio
I’d say that’s different since it has a cooldown
Though I can see your point
Either way it’s not really a topic for this channel
celest escarp
so im thinking of returning to play ffxiv a bit, but unsure of what dps I wanna play, and haven't played for a long time.. How are the different dps spec in terms of how fluid rotation is and satisfying to pull off ?
wispy parcel
Youre gonna get some wildly varying opinions on that
obsidian patio
Most of the jobs are fairly strict in their rotation flow. if you want jobs with a more fluid or priority based system I suggest jobs like Bard, Dancer, and Red Mage
wispy parcel
I quite like Summoner in that regard, the main rotation is fixed but you have a lot of oGCD's that need to fit in between it
manic flare
What is Sonic break
obsidian patio
!action sonic break
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leaden ginkgo
hi, got version check fail and error codes when I start the game, tried to reboot my router, clear documents folder nothing helps
faint flare
Maintenance
brave ravine
that's intentional
celest escarp
well i mained tanks tbh
i used to play paladin
was considering paladin / gunbreaker
but for dps i really don't know 😂
faint flare
Dragoon maybe
Kinda similar to paladin i guess...bounces between dot combo and damage combo. Burst with Life windows/Lance change
Etc
manic flare
we still have 3-4 hours to clear monday dailies after the patch update before reset begins tomorrow ?
worn bone
Have they said when the patch will be available for download?
open coral
Not specifically, but historically it's usually available a few hours before the end of maintenance.
So around 2-3am EST, most likely.
manic flare
how big is this patch?
worn bone
how big is this patch?
Also curious about this
twilit arch
we won't know how big it is until we can download it
manic flare
since i'm curious how long the download would take
worn bone
Yeah it is. Bad internet so it will take a while for me regardless lol
muted pivot
Hi, anyone knows how to fix this error, I started playing yesterday and I wasn't getting that.
obsidian patio
Maintenance
manic flare
new patch is coming
ashen pendant
patch 5.4
boreal spoke
When is Maintenance ending?
hasty musk
at 2am pst
obsidian patio
In about 11 hours
boreal spoke
:O
manic flare
will there be level skips for crating jobs?
twilit arch
no
crafting/gatherer has a direct effect on the market, and there's already a multitude of ways to easily level them both
little swift
The whole process of leveling a crafter was hard buffed in 5.18 a skip is simply not necessary either
manic flare
@little swift in what way was it buffed?
little swift
You can easily level all of your crafter and gatherers in a week
All sources of exp were buffed
manic flare
You can easily level all of your crafter and gatherers in a week
how?
through ishgard?
little swift
And Ishgard restoration was introduced
manic flare
my crafters leveling has slowed significantly since hitting level 50
little swift
Make sure you use levequests
And do collectibles and custom deliveries
And daily gc turnins
manic flare
i go broke doing crafting leves
the turn ins for level 50 crafters leves are hugely expesnive
little swift
Then you're not making use of your resources planning
Gatherers make it much easier
manic flare
well the problem is acquiring the stuff that u can't get from gathering
frank osprey
ooooh, SO I have (another) question. I am curious what some good ways to level up other classes?
manic flare
mostly the skins
little swift
!faq altlvlguide
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little swift
Kill mobs for the skins or send your retainers out for it
There is always a way for you to personally obtain the materials rather than the market board snack
manic flare
well i have a level 74 miner and 74 botanist
frank osprey
Ohhhhh. Cool, also, I saw on the market a bunch of "lv 1 outfits" selling for suuuper high prices, are those mostly one time quest rewards/ drops, or timed events?
manic flare
but alot of the stuff in the newest class of gatherer i can't get to
like the level 70+ items
it doiesn't show up in my map
like truegold ore
i have no idea where to find that
little swift
Ohhhhh. Cool, also, I saw on the market a bunch of "lv 1 outfits" selling for *s...
Those are usually crafted items that use some super rare materials
manic flare
i have to buy on marketboard
little swift
Truegold ore is a shb material i
frank osprey
SO... that's why there's a good reason to be a master crafts...person?
((also, do crafting disciplines intersect? Sorry for all the questions, I can't play now... maintenance and all.
gloomy mortar
True gold is in Il Mohegan
little swift
Almost all the crafters work together because they all have materials that they can make for each other
gloomy mortar
II Mheg
little swift
So omnicrafting is super nice to have so that you can just do it all.yourself
tidal yarrow
can we start downloading the patch already?
twilit arch
no
tidal yarrow
any idea of when will we able to?
twilit arch
probably in another 5hrs or so
warm snow
Probably withing 4 hours of maintenance finishing so.... 7 hours give or take
manic flare
does kurenai give more exp than m'naago for custom deliveries?
just wondering if i should just stick with mnaago or go to kurenai for exp for my level 70 weaver
faint flare
They're the same
manic flare
even in terms of scrips?
faint flare
Yes
tidal yarrow
and how heavy will it be?
tidal yarrow
ugh..
i might not be able to play as patch drops. i usually download 2-3gb in an hour
manic flare
it's probably not gonna be that big
obsidian patio
If you start downloading right when it becomes available you’ll have plenty of time
manic flare
the biggest users of file size are usually graphical assets
tidal yarrow
oh i see
fast talon
so this is my first major patch for ffxiv, is it normal that when you try to open the launcher an error occurs? i just wanted to see if i could download the update yet even before maintenance finishes.
manic flare
i dont know if they've added that much new graphical content
tidal yarrow
well im setting up an alarm in 7 hours from now to start the download then
twilit arch
yes, if you're getting a launcher error it means the patch hasn't been pushed out yet
ripe hound
There is like Eden Promise and 5.4 MSQ and New EX trail
fast talon
aight thanks
ripe hound
So it’s gonna be some graphical content
fast talon
i just remember reading that sometimes the patch becomes available even before maintenance finishes
obsidian patio
Won’t be this time
ripe hound
Yeah you won’t be entering the game
obsidian patio
If you mean being able to play
lost grove
Won't ps4 automatically get the update or do I have to open the game?
ripe hound
Download might be available sooner
obsidian patio
PS4 automatically updates, yes
ripe hound
Wait is that how PS4 works?
lost grove
K
obsidian patio
It downloads patches natively through the PS4 downloader, yes
As if you were updating or downloading other games
ripe hound
How long does it usually take for people to make guides for EX trails?
obsidian patio
Decent ones usually come out within the first few days
faint flare
People usually make rough and rushed day 1 or so
manic flare
they won't make any adjustments to existing classes this patch will they?
ripe hound
I just really don’t want to buy crafted weapon
ripe hound
5.4 includes some minor buff and nerfs
obsidian patio
If you don’t want to use a crafted weapon then yeah you’ll want EX weapon, yes
lost grove
Wonder when ast getting buffed
ripe hound
Mostly just +10 potency stuff
manic flare
@ripe hound where is that
obsidian patio
manic flare
the class change notes
obsidian patio
The full patch notes
ripe hound
I think AST is really strong now?
obsidian patio
AST didn’t get balance changes this patch
faint flare
Ast is fine
lost grove
Ast is my fave healer tbh
ripe hound
I know SCH complain about having a weird class every day, and WHM complain class is boring a lot
AST seems fine now
lost grove
I started as whm and lost interest but ast is pretty fun
ripe hound
But yeah, those are mostly just reddit people being reddit
ripe hound
Yeah, I might even say AST would still be fine after a slight mana nerf
Since I remember AST’s spells all had mana cost reduced, then later card mana system got added
lost grove
U mean lightspeed?
faint flare
No just reduced in general on costs
warm snow
I think they're all pretty fun but levelling is such a slog
ripe hound
Nowadays AST is super stonk while progging, since you can usually stand up and Draw + Sleeve + Lucid to almost full mana quickly
Also I think AST is fine while leveling... I really hate leveling SCH though
lost grove
I lvl sch up last cuz I rlly didn't enjoy it
ripe hound
tbh I really hate leveling healers in general, running dungeons without all skills just feel miserable
leaden ginkgo
Hey, so I recently joined this server. I wanted to try out FFXIV (Trial Version) before deciding to buy the full game. However I keep getting boot errors, and im not sure what to do. I tried multiple fixes and nothing seems to work for me.
remote lintel
theres a maintenance
faint flare
Its maintenance
ripe hound
Yeah, I think once you reach 80 and start doing Ex and Savage, SCH becomes a lot more fun
!maint
leaden ginkgo
The servers are under maintenance rn?
ripe hound
Ends next morning or something
remote lintel
for 24 hours
ripe hound
Yeah, big patch, new raids, etc.
faint flare
Its a full 24 hour maintenance
leaden ginkgo
Oh. Alrighty. I got frustrated with it, but thank you ^^
ripe hound
Yeah, no worry
remote lintel
play tomorrow
leaden ginkgo
I'll wait til tomorrow to try the game.
ripe hound
Yup, take care
lost grove
I hardly touch my sch after 80@ripe hound
faint flare
ripe hound
Yeah we are off track a bit
lost grove
U can just dm if u want to talk
ripe hound
yeah
manic flare
AST is very good
i like it as much as WHM
scholar feels really weird to play tho
iill probably never use scholar
lost grove
That's why I have a glam addiction just cuz of Ast
manic flare
is it ok if i keep tank health low + regen as long as i still have essential dignity?
faint flare
Yes
little swift
Yes but be mindful of how low
manic flare
cuz the tank got mad at me saying he thought i was gonna let him die
little swift
Not every tank uses their invulns
manic flare
i was like dude, i have essential dignity on call
little swift
30-40% is a good duty finder safespot
manic flare
essentially dignity works better if the tank's health is low correct?
faint flare
Yes
manic flare
the lower the health, the stronger the potency?
full lake
Hai guys, I have a silly question ^^'
Does Square Enix freeze subscription on the maintenance, if it's one whole day that we couldn't play.
faint flare
No
little swift
Use your judgment on how low to go. Varies on comfort of the tank
faint flare
Its part of the Eula you agree to
obsidian patio
SE generally only compensates for maintenance that lasts longer than 24 hours
little swift
30% isn't awful imo but some tanks won't like it
manic flare
@obsidian patio isn't it technically 28 hrs?
obsidian patio
No?
manic flare
since it's 2 am EST to 2 am PST
little swift
No its 2pst to 2pst
obsidian patio
still cedar
we all knew what he meant lol
manic flare
@little swift so use essential dignity at 50%?
no point in waiting for health to go lower since potency for essential dignity is capped?
little swift
There's no hard rule for when to use it
smoky girder
Of course it goes down when I have time to play it
little swift
Context specific on how fast your tank drops and how much trust they have
manic flare
@little swift well i just want to use it optimally every time, and i want make sure i get full potency out of it
little swift
1100 potency max is at like 1 hp
manic flare
ah i see
obsidian patio
It scales pretty linear
ripe hound
I think it scales perfectly linear
So 400 Potency at 100% HP, and 1100 Potency at 0% HP
So 50% HP is 750 Potency
Which means it's usually a free Bene II
Also in Dungeons, as long as the Tank don't die it's not your fault
But tanks often panic when they fall below 30% HP
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remote lintel
you shouldnt be saving ED anyway
manic flare
@remote lintel i use regen and ED alot
ripe hound
Oh yeah, don't save ED unless you are low level and only have 1 stack
remote lintel
just making sure
manic flare
in fact i rarely use benefic given how effective regen+ED is
ripe hound
If you only have 1 stack you can wait until the Tank is low, and keep DPS until so
remote lintel
benefic is a gcd so you should be using those last
ripe hound
Yeah, just never cast Bene II until you need ED
In the right leveled dungeons, you can often get away without even ABene
celest escarp
aaaaa i can't decide what class i wanna play xD
nova apex
any idea of useful stuff I can spend my gil on? I'm on free trial and gil is has a 300k cap, I don't wanna hit it
manic flare
@celest escarp white mage
cloud gyro
dragoon
remote lintel
@nova apex gear for other classes
celest escarp
naww don't feel like healing 😂 it's either tank or dps for me
is the game still lacking on tanks or they good on them now ?
delicate stone
Is there a way to see the time zone that the community finder times are in?
manic flare
@celest escarp warrior
remote lintel
theres a video in the pins about each job
cloud gyro
Paladin
nova apex
<@!273315542360915968> gear for other classes
from regular vendors?
manic flare
it's a tank with a ton of dps potential
celest escarp
tanks is what im most decided on, I'd either play pally or test gnb lol 😂
I never liked warrior
sue me
cloud gyro
Nah that’s gunbreaker
remote lintel
@nova apex sure
nova apex
<@!273315542360915968> sure
ty
remote lintel
you cant start as gnb
tidal yarrow
how is the PLD ability that does more damage when full hp called
celest escarp
guy i played the game before
remote lintel
oh
cloud gyro
Ik but gnb is a dps tank
sweet pasture
is this error due to the servers being down? this literally just started happening today.
remote lintel
yes ice
cloud gyro
Yea
sweet pasture
ahh gotcha thanks fam
manic flare
warrior is the most dps of all the tanks, it has 2 single target combos and 1 one AOE combo by the time u reach level 50
remote lintel
not really
celest escarp
For tank I'd play pally/gnb
For dps , which I've tbh never played, I'm interested in machinist, dancer, samurai, monk, dragoon... Yeah I know, too many 😂
remote lintel
all tanks do about the same dmg
manic flare
plus warrior can solo extreme difficulty content later on in the game
obsidian patio
Actually it’s Gunbreaker or Paladin depending on fight uptime.
cloud gyro
My two favorite were dark knight and paladin
remote lintel
paladin is better for soloing
cloud gyro
Never tried warrior
obsidian patio
But either way all 4 tanks are super close in damage
hasty musk
Not really, it's pretty tank like
remote lintel
what does that mean
hasty musk
Basic
manic flare
well with dark knight, u are stuck with unleash for a very long time
remote lintel
i was talking to buoy
leaden ginkgo
I personally prefer to solo. I also usually go for melee-style classes.
faint flare
@tidal yarrow
manic flare
whereas warrior gets a ton of combo abilities early on
faint flare
Spirits within
remote lintel
i mean warrior is stuck with their cone aoe until lvl 60
celest escarp
so with changes to monk, will they still be a harder class to play or ?
faint flare
No
obsidian patio
It basically plays the same
celest escarp
more accessible maybe?
manic flare
no warrior lears a second AOE move
obsidian patio
Just without stack management
celest escarp
I see they're like the least played dps right now
manic flare
def before level 50
obsidian patio
All the tanks learn a 2nd AoE move
robust notch
They get Mythril Tempest at 40 something
manic flare
yes mythril tempest
obsidian patio
Paladin does before 50 too
robust notch
Doesn't mean your aoe combo all of a sudden is amazing
obsidian patio
I think Gunbreaker does also?
robust notch
Dark Knights have FLood of Darkness
remote lintel
^
tidal yarrow
alright thx.
how do you use spirits within? do you use it on cooldown even if you're not full? do you wait for healer to heal you? in parse parties often healers don't heal you much.
faint flare
On cooldown
robust notch
Paladins have Circle of Scorn, Gunbreaker has.... well.. they spin.
warm snow
That's ogcd aoe right?
faint flare
The scaling isnt worth basically barely using itbatnall and losing multiple using
robust notch
Don't worry about the hp aspect of Spirits Within tbh
Just use it on cooldown
Try to make sure you nail one Spirits Within during Fight or Flight
Not much beyond that
tidal yarrow
wow
kinda disappointing
that theres not a way to make it efficient 100% of the times
little swift
The efficiency is using it off cd
manic flare
why is that the dragoon can utilize tank armor in dungeons up to aurum vale but not aftewards?
little swift
Alternatively in a lot of encounters pld isn't main tank so you're not tanking a lot of damage
obsidian patio
Because 2.0 did stuff weird
faint flare
Because ARR gearing is dumb
lost grove
Are there any differences in potencies for noct ast compared to diurnal ast or they same on healing
faint flare
There is
robust notch
Diurnal is better for healing
faint flare
Diurnal is higher
robust notch
99.99999% of the time
manic flare
and why does dzemael darkhold have two different sets of tank armor,
with one being significantly weaker than the other
remote lintel
not necessarily
robust notch
OR well, for flat out healing, it's always better
remote lintel
you can heal fine on noct if you kow what youre doing
faint flare
The extra potency of regen is more than the potency from the shields
manic flare
the sentinel set vs the templar set, both are tank armor sets from dzemael
obsidian patio
The 2nd “tank” armor is the one that dragoon can wear
robust notch
Of course you can heal fine with Noct Sect, but that doesn't mean it heals more
lost grove
Ok
tidal yarrow
Alternatively in a lot of encounters pld isn't main tank so you're not tanking a...
is that the reason PLD is often OT?
hardy coral
Drg can’t equip sentinel
manic flare
oh u are right
little swift
is that the reason PLD is often OT?
No it just has a lot of supportive tools in place
manic flare
dragoon doesn't equip the sentinel one
tidal yarrow
do you use mana as pld for anything over then clemency
little swift
The line between the two isn't really a thing anyways
manic flare
was dragoon or originally intended to be a tank in ARR?
celest escarp
😂 found my character
manic flare
then they changed their minds in heavensward?
gloomy mortar
What is the best DPS food?
celest escarp
just thought i'd see what lvls i had since i couldnt check in game
robust notch
What is the best DPS food?
Stuffed Highland Cabbage most of the time
little swift
Depends on your job needa
robust notch
But can differ