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royal forge
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but then again, my desktop was janky in that it ran a fucking xeon

lost python
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They also cried because they can't enter the building without a negative test

potent arrow
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You know I'm actually waiting in dell chat as we speak which is hilarious

mortal condor
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Apparently Lenovo will send tech support to your house (provided they're in your city) which is prettty cool ngl

potent arrow
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I mean dell techs do that

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But you don't want them near you

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Two of them left grease stains now

royal forge
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eww

lost python
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Oof

royal forge
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"thermal paste"

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heh

potent arrow
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So we just have dedicated chairs, the "dell corner"

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NAH ITS A CLEAR ASS STAIN

royal forge
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ewww

potent arrow
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Otherwise I can't really complain cuz their support is..there...

lost python
royal forge
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im just looking at my current room condition. I don't THINK i have anywhere to fit a full size boi

potent arrow
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Sff..

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SFF!!1!1!1!

royal forge
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BUT SFF MEANS I GOTTA LEARN TO CABLE MANAGE

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and isn't air flow like QUITE important for SFF?

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and how small we talking

lost python
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Airflow is important anywhere

royal forge
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I mean, true

potent arrow
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@lost python

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You know what's up

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Suffering.

lost python
potent arrow
lost python
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Live build a pc

potent arrow
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I literally do it for people

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Because they put the ram into the pcoe slot

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And I'm like nooooo

royal forge
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Jesus christ. im not that stupid Sarah

potent arrow
royal forge
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i HAVE spent 2 hours nearly crying because I couldn't POST on my build

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before i realized i didn't turn on the PSU

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so

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I mean

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im stupid

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but not that stupid

lost python
royal forge
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how SFF are we talking, anyway

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like, can you squeeze HDDs in there?

lost python
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As sff as you want it to ve

potent arrow
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^

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Also

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Probably 1

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But most don't fit 3.5"

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I have nvme only

royal forge
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Do those external bays work as fast as just SATA?

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i always wondered if that was feasible

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like, keep games etc on the HDD

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or like 3D model and textures

potent arrow
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Kinda yeah

royal forge
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PC as a hobby sure is expensive

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and here i was, also eyeing mechanical keyboards

potent arrow
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Dont

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Do not get me started

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With my boards

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I totally do not have a small mortgage worth of boards

umbral moss
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everything has to be RGB and cost 30% more because it's XXXTREME GAMEN grade

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even though it's the same as the shitty wageslave office drone SKU internally

royal forge
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Im very much against rgb

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I always find em distracting

dull garnet
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USB3 is basically as fast as SATA3

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Also SFFs are dumb

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Dab

umbral moss
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the meat puppet formerly known as delorean motor company is planning on revealing an EV in august

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no plans to actually build it or release the design for someone else to build, just going to drop an EV for three days at a track parking lot, refuse to elaborate further, and leave

dull garnet
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It'll just be a single EV converted DeLoreon

umbral moss
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nah, it looks like they want some weird bugatti looking thing

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which is not the thing people think of when they think of "delorean"

potent arrow
dull garnet
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No need, my case has space

dull garnet
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UK geforce store has 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti for MSRP rn

lost python
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Intel growing more stupid by the minute

dull garnet
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Intel

sly walrus
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now if only amd could make a graphics card

dull garnet
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rn I'd probably be buying intel on a ddr4 platform

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12400F

lost python
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I still wouldn't, just because I don't wanna support Intel like this right now

kindred brook
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wait

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how did intel do that

kindred brook
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get that and a motherboard?

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maybe not lol

dull garnet
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Directly from China, noice

kindred brook
dull garnet
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What is the worst that can happen

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Amazon refund you

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Probably, idk how their policies work for third party sellers

kindred brook
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Is this a better dollar per value than the 58003D

dull garnet
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Probably not for gaming

potent arrow
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Buy my 3900x

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I promise you it's not fucked

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Totally

dull garnet
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3900X sucks don't do that

potent arrow
kindred brook
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Thanks speed

potent arrow
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Do not shit on my CPU uwu

deep sapphire
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buying AMD ever

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Smh

kindred brook
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Oh ok

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I agree with Hank

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no AMD

deep sapphire
kindred brook
deep sapphire
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Support American workers

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Buy Intel

kindred brook
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USA USA USA

deep sapphire
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The CEO in the 80s and 90s deliberately made their fabs in America to support American workers even if it would cost more

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove

Andrew Grove

Andrew Stephen Grove (born András István Gróf; 2 September 1936 – 21 March 2016) was a Hungarian-American businessman, engineer, and CEO of Intel Corporation. He escaped from Communist-controlled Hungary at the age of 20 and moved to the United States, where he finished his education. He was the third employee and eventual third CEO of Intel, tr...

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What a gigachad

sly walrus
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i don't want to support american anything

deep sapphire
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Escapes nazis and became one of the most intelligent human beings

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AND he refused to be in a special office and worked in a cubicle with everyone else

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Don’t worry I admit Intel has had a shady history

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What they did to AMD back in the day was fucked up

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tell Jacob over there to stop being a dick

boreal surge
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Well if you took a minute to read the thing, they patented a modification to a AMD microarchitecture

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Something about cache snooping.

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We’re tech, we copy shit 1000% of the time.

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Yeah but I swear college papers were literally: quote every other person possible

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Anyway, EVGA RMA? Didn’t their GPUs get fried by new world?

dull garnet
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Wait your comically expensive video card is kinda faulty? Oof

modest moss
dull garnet
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I feel bad at this point

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Man i love my FE card

kindred brook
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is this 3 and a half times more powerful

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as a 3080

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no wait

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2 and a half*

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lol

umbral moss
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maybe 10% more performance

kindred brook
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F

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F

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if it was 2 and a half times more powerful than a 3080

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not worth; but better than its current value

lost python
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its like at best 3-5fps faster than a 3090 and usually only like 0.5-2fps

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its a card that has no place existing

modest moss
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if you buy anything, buy cpu/mobo/ram and drop in your existing psu/storage/gpu

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ffa

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ffs*

kindred brook
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Got it

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don't need a GPU

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Buy intel

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and DDR5

umbral moss
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DDR5 wearycarby

potent arrow
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Wth lol

umbral moss
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you'd think with so much time between JDEC spec being released and today that DDR5 would be, like, good by now

kindred brook
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@modest moss dad yelled at me

modest moss
kindred brook
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MB

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I buy AMD

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when hank isn't looking

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or I stick intel stickers

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on an AMD

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😮

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nah my frankenstein PC

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is still good

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I'll wait till it completely breaks

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before I take out old yella

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My PC in 6 months

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is that belt worth 15 bucks

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will it make me feel grown up

umbral moss
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I'm surprised that stuff still exists when you can get military surplus or tactiCOOL harnesses that distribute the weight better

trail flame
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that feels like

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how to bruise your thighs

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the belt

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when you walk it's gonna go slap slap slap slap

umbral moss
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it's too heavy to really gain momentum

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there's like 30 pounds of shit on there

trail flame
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ye but your legs are gonna be kicking it tho

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alternatively you bruise your hips

trail flame
umbral moss
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it's a product designed by men for men, there's no way someone would engineer something that could hit you in the balls with speed

deep sapphire
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Large corporations will just buy out start ups and let them take the cost of innovation

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It’s a joke lmao

umbral moss
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we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own

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resistance is futile

dull garnet
kindred brook
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is that worth 15 bucks

potent arrow
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Raz I can't tell if you are baiting or not

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Why the fuck do you need a tool belt when you clearly don't do any handywork

umbral moss
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what if he doesn't do any handywork because he doesn't have a belt?

potent arrow
umbral moss
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honestly, the interchangeable screwdriver set I got for my birthday one year is the most useful thing I ever got

potent arrow
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Lol yeah my wiha multibit driver is my most used tool

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I have a kleintools one too but the wiha is ESD safe

umbral moss
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it even has obscure bullshit like security torx

potent arrow
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Yeee

umbral moss
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not just PH0-4 and filister

potent arrow
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Mine has pentalobe

umbral moss
potent arrow
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Is so useful

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No ice I'm not carrying that around everyday

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These fit in my pocket lol

dull garnet
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damn, who needs larger than a PH2

umbral moss
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I think deck screws do?

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they're 1/4-20 or thicker

potent arrow
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Your deck screws use Phillips?

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Robertson here

umbral moss
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I think GRK uses torx 🤔

deep sapphire
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Wiha makes the best screwdrivers for electricians

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Klein isn’t bad either

deep sapphire
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Phillips is dumb I’d rather have Robertson too

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I wish Phillips would just die already

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It serves no purpose specially for small screws

potent arrow
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What you don't like bending the fins on your Phillips driver and crying?

deep sapphire
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God I hate small Phillip screws

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They can burn in hell

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OOPS I CAMMED IT OUT NOW ITS STUCK IN THERE

potent arrow
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My dad's Robertson bit is a literal cylinder now

deep sapphire
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Years ago I was trying to clean out my mouse and I cammed out one of the screws but it was so small you can’t do shit

potent arrow
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Drill time Hank

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You know what's worse then Phillips?

deep sapphire
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I think Torx is probably the best fastener to prevent cam out but Robertson is good too

potent arrow
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Those small star ones

deep sapphire
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That’s a torx lmao

potent arrow
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Not torx

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The weird none torx ones

deep sapphire
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Like the Nintendo ones?

potent arrow
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It's more then 6 points

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No I've seen them in random places

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It's like 12-16 points

deep sapphire
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Hmmm I dunno then

potent arrow
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I fucking hate them

deep sapphire
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I know Nintendo LOVES to use non standard screws

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And fasteners

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Like fuck off nintendo

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Those stupid triangle fasteners they use

potent arrow
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SPLINE

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SPLINE SCREWS

deep sapphire
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Oh my god

potent arrow
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LOL

deep sapphire
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That looks like hell

potent arrow
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HAAHAH

deep sapphire
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What were they thinking

potent arrow
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I have two bits of them

deep sapphire
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Mfw see that fastener

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Still love this meme

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My co worker has a 2004 duramax that fuckin thing just cranks and goes even when it was -10 out

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Doesn’t even let it warm up he just cranks it and backs out and leaves lmao

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I should put a 4L80-E transmission in my truck

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Those things can’t be killed

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Speaking of 4L80 did you know Jaguar used it in their XJ

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Which is funny because Ford owned Jaguar at the time

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Ford using a Chevy transmission heh

potent arrow
modest moss
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@deep sapphire

deep sapphire
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@modest moss

modest moss
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dw I'll tell you later

dull garnet
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More of a JIS fan

jaunty light
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Superior japanese screw design

dull garnet
dull garnet
odd sand
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Anyone have experience with 10gbe/enterprise NICs? Since I'm annoyed at the onboard being shitty, I've been looking, but there are a few options

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I'm now a bit wary of Intel, but saw a lot of chatter recommending that one, so maybe their enterprise stuff works better than the consumer

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Then those last two are based on the same chipset

potent arrow
odd sand
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Other minor thought: The X540 will block airflow in the case more than the last 2

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Although realistically it's not THAT tall

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Tried all of the troubleshooting steps offered for the onboard Intel and none of them worked very well. I think with a bit of tweaking I was able to get 28MB/sec instead of 24 but that's it.

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Updated the drivers as well

potent arrow
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Nah onboard is always shit

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Mine too

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I'm trying to find the one I bought

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10gb alright?

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Sfp?

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@odd sand
for Intel X520-DA1 Network Card 82599EN PCI-E 10G SFP Fiber Network Card Ethernet Single-Port SFP Fiber Network Card https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07WV54V7X/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_BC5X6N33F7YXJQNFH8YW

for Intel X520-DA1 Network Card 82599EN PCI-E 10G SFP Fiber Network...

Vertical SegmentServer Number of Interface single Speed & Slot Width   5.0 GT/s, x8 Lane System Interface Type PCIe v2.0 (5.0GT/s) Cable Medium SFP Cabling Type SFP+ Direct Attached Twin Axial Cabling up to 10m Bracket Height Low Profile and Full Height Ethernet Controller main control c...

odd sand
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I'm only going to be using RJ45, so that's why I picked one that had it already

potent arrow
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I think that's my config

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I'm at work so I can't check

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I had these sfp modules around

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So uhm

odd sand
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Too bad I'm not still at my last job, I probably could have grabbed a 10g sfp for free. They had a whole bin of them sitting there rotting haha

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Is there a big difference between having the RJ45 "hard wired" and using the SFP module?

potent arrow
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Not really

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I just like the chipset on that NIC

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Weak

odd sand
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Yeah my parents house is Cat5e atm, which is fine but 6 or 6e would be better before they sell it

sly elk
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despite the bills, i'd like to have a house with no gas at all lol

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i'd rather never worry about CO poisoning or gas leaks ever again

potent arrow
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I'm probably gonna be installing heat pumps for my family soon

modest moss
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lol I read that as 'installing heart pumps' and I was like bitch get an actual doctor for that

devout nexus
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@odd sand we had to mass return the 10g asus NIC cards because they were not even close to that spec

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intel is probably the best choice since its technically intended more for data centers

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consumer goods claiming 10g im highly skeptical of

sly elk
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intel for the wintel

dull garnet
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probably stole design from amd /s

potent arrow
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This is why I like sfp nic cards

sly elk
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after my asus board, I don't really care to deal with onboard thermal management or argb management again 😄

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asus' software is worse than useless

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and apparently that's the best >>

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I was planning to do EVGA next time

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but EVGA boards are overpriced AF and the reviews always suggest they're not worth the $$

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and they're not pretty

dull garnet
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best to not care about flashing lights and not be forced to use bad, bloated software to control it

sly elk
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silver heatsinks don't matter to me much, especially on a black board.. and evga's boards aren't necessarily ugly

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the oldschool armor motherboards were ugly af though

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if I did buy one it'd be a ftw board but the dark ones actually look pretty nice for a very utilitarian board

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oh wow

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the ftw version doesn't have a usb-c front panel connector apparently o_O WHAT?!

odd sand
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Thermal ARMOR™

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I've been preferable to Gigabyte boards, but I know some ppl have had bad experiences

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Maybe it's bc I always buy their higher end ones

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On one hand custom loops are cool, OTOH I'm ADD and focusing enough to finish that sort of thing vs just using the thing is a lot of work haha

dull garnet
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if you motherboard doesn't have a pistol on it then it sucks

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sly elk
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oo

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i know where to get the matching gaming chair

jaunty light
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Fantasylab

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"Massage"

sly elk
deep sapphire
dull garnet
jaunty light
sly elk
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it's larger than I thought lol

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but it still looks nothing at all like a microbus

dull garnet
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macrobus

odd sand
umbral moss
jaunty light
deep sapphire
jaunty light
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@deep sapphire

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Trying to buy some tickets from eplus rn this shit sux

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Im poor!

deep sapphire
sly elk
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man with the amount of times my subwoofer disconnects I think I'm going to pop it open at some point and just solder my own wired connection on hahah

jaunty light
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Very restrictive ticketing system in japan

jaunty light
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No lol sacra music fes

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@deep sapphire bruh my amp broke and all the 5ch ones i find with corrrect impedance are 500-1k

jaunty light
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500usd

languid sequoia
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I'm using the x570 crosshair viii extreme and it's beautiful

late basalt
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tfw being an audiophile turns out to actually be expensive

odd sand
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XXECKSTREME

languid sequoia
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X-treeeeme

sly elk
sly elk
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nuh buying the card was irresponsible enough 😄

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nevermind modding it

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ehehhee

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man i probably need to clean my radiator again

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my pc sounds kinda loud for idle

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wow adobe you dumb company

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in order to uninstall creative cloud... I need to update it first

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..... wtf

lost python
dull garnet
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and they wonder why people steal their shit

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they probably don't anymore tbh, it has been decades

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anyway fuck subscription models

lost python
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Business clients are what really matters to them and where the vast majority of their income comes from anyway

paper tusk
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windows 11: totally well developed. yup. Using the right-click option to rename a file in File Explorer will cause explorer.exe to crash. As a workaround, please single-click to highlight the file and use the rename button in the File Explorer command bar to complete the rename process.

dull garnet
odd sand
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My favorite so far is clicking the X to close the window causes it to be uninteractable and permanently in focus

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Known issue since at least Nov and still hasn't been fixed

royal forge
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I like how they were pushing everyone for the w11 upgrade when its buggy

narrow wedge
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Has anyone had any experience playing ffxiv with something called an "Azeron" specifically the cyborg model

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this one

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royal forge
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does your.. foot go there?

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oh wait.

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Hand?

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it looks like a shoe ngl

narrow wedge
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ye your hand goes in there

royal forge
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looks.. less flexible/intuitive than just KB+M to me

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but, i've not had experience with it so

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imma shut it now

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lul

narrow wedge
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i mean every piece except the palmrest can be moved and adjusted to sit the exact way your fingers rest naturally

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but idk either thats why i was asking LOL

royal forge
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yea, but i would think it would be a challenge to sorta "restructure" your brain to use it

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

narrow wedge
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ye iv heard it takes about 1-2 weeks to get used to if your a KB+M user and a little longer if your coming from controller

modest moss
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looks like an expensive gimmick to me, like 1 in 100 people will think it's amazing and everyone else will toss it in the back of a cupboard

narrow wedge
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its kinda made for people with arthritis and hand nerve damage such as myself

royal forge
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have you spoken to anyone else with similar problems such as yourself?

narrow wedge
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ye but never about playing MMOs they play like Fortnite and Apex Legends with it

royal forge
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i mean, as someone who's not having problems with my hands, I'd not use it since I am unwilling to give up the flexibility

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And well

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uh

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XIV has a lot more keys

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than fornite

narrow wedge
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ye

royal forge
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so i dunoe if that'll translate well

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wasn't there that uh

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?vertical keyboard?

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i think it was LTT that reviewed it?

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it looked kinda weird

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This might help??

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because you wont need to pronate ur arm

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it would be less stress over that tendon

narrow wedge
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using that looks WAY more strain on my wrist than the Azeron

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idk

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i guess ill find out when my Azeron gets here from Latvia LOL

modest moss
narrow wedge
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lol

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maybe

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hopefully cuz im tired of having pain when i play games

modest moss
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is it expensive?

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I'm guessing yes

narrow wedge
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only liek 200$ and then international shipping

modest moss
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what's their return policy?

narrow wedge
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2 year warranty full refund ... plus on the discord they have a channel for selling used ones

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Honestly I paid alot more just for my Bluetooth headset

modest moss
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if it isn't a big financial drain on your personal budgets then I say give it a shot

modest moss
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no idea, but didn't you initiate a chargeback anyway?

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I really don't pay that much attention to specifics like that because I can't remotely afford that shit, I only research it if I really have to for someone

deep sapphire
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I’ll buy it for you

modest moss
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you need your money to support daisy

dull garnet
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Glass cannon cpuid validation of course

dull garnet
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Monitor keeps doing this when I turn my pc on

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Since the latest driver update I think

modest moss
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I'm not seeing an issue

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4:3 is alpha

dull garnet
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more like 1:1

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anyway, have to turn monitor off and on to fix

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boo

sly walrus
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looks like 3:4

potent arrow
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@lost python

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:|

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After waiting a month for a motherboard

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Tech comes in

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....doa

kindred brook
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NEW PC?!

potent arrow
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What

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No

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This is work stuff

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I work in it

kindred brook
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Oh shit

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Sarah fix my desktop

dull garnet
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what

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isn't that an rma form

lost python
glossy magnet
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Figured I'd ask here as it's more tech related than XIV related.
But what options do you guys change in the Nvidia Control panel to get more performance in XIV (if any)?
And do you turn off anything in game afterwards?

My PC is starting to show it's age, and I'd like to get whatever FPS boost out of it that I can, even with Gsync the FPS fluctuation is annoying my eyes lol.

odd sand
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Lights and shadows are GPU intensive. Use load on demand and occlusion culling. Possibly drop the resolution if you're not doing 1080p

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@glossy magnet

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Could try over clocking the cpu if you have good cooling

glossy magnet
# odd sand Could try over clocking the cpu if you have good cooling

I do have good cooling, however, my room gets too hot (I live in southern USA), so I don't overclock anything.

Was looking more for methods to reduce quality for performance, and not boost my PC's capabilities.

I know there are some settings in the control panel but idk which does what really lol.

Lights and shadows are GPU intensive. Use load on demand and occlusion culling. Possibly drop the resolution if you're not doing 1080p
I do play on 1440p, my monitor's native resolution. My GPU is a 980ti and CPU a 4790k. Lowering it tends to make things look worse.

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I think most of the settings are set to "Laptop Standard" in game.

dull garnet
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ever try this? i haven't used this option in

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15 years

glossy magnet
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I've got it on the middle option atm

odd sand
dull garnet
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start playing windowed

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or try 720p fullscreen with integer scaling turned on

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that probably looks awful lol

glossy magnet
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I still want my eyes to appreciate what I'm seeing lol

dull garnet
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I kinda wanna try that in game now

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no joke it actually looks half decent

dull garnet
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you have to go OEM for these things

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worth

glossy magnet
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I do, it's called glasses lol.

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btw what setting is this in Discord?

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austere socket
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it's just a new channel type called forums / discussions @glossy magnet

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basically threads 2.0

glossy magnet
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I see, is it a community feature? Haven't seen it in any other discord yet

austere socket
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I think it might still be rolling out ya

glossy magnet
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Ah ok. Thx

modest moss
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we're 'special' and discord selected this server as one of those to test it

sly elk
jaunty light
lime wasp
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Hey Tech folks, how well would a 120MM AIO cool a Ryzen 7 5800x?

deep sapphire
deep sapphire
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tbf the GM 8 speed was a pile of shit and they still make it for some reason

lime wasp
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Damnit. The case I was looking at only has room for a 120MM AIO. I'd have to get an aircooler otherwise which I'm not sure would work as well in the case.

deep sapphire
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You could get a thicker 120mm and then do a push pull fan configuration if the clearance is available but yeah that isn’t a lot of fin density to keep anything sustained but on your average workloads it’ll do an acceptable job

jaunty light
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Furd tuff

deep sapphire
lime wasp
# deep sapphire You could get a thicker 120mm and then do a push pull fan configuration if the c...

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I was hoping to go with this because of the cost, it looking nice while being able to still fit an ATX power supply but I'd have to go with an air cooler if the 120MM wouldn't be enough, and I don't think air cooling would work too well even with a 140MM exhaust fan at the top.

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The other case I was looking at had a 140MM CPU AIO built in but I'm not sure if that would be much better than the 120 AIO.

modest moss
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do you really need a 5800x?

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GN says gaming only needs 5600x blah blah

lime wasp
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I have a 5800x.

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I'm trying to go down from a mid-ATX to a Mini ITX

modest moss
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I wouldn't, but I don't care about huge cases

lime wasp
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I need it to actually fit on top of my desk.

Right now my mid-ATX has like....2mm clearance from the edge of the desk to the edge of feet.

We're full on Minecraft-crouch-to-avoid-falling here.

modest moss
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no room under the desk?

lime wasp
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Putting a comp on carpet is a bad idea.

modest moss
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eh

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I don't really think it's a big deal, at least it's never been an issue for me

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and you can easily put it on a tray or board or w/e

sly elk
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I've heard before that the 5800x is harder to cool because it keeps all 8 cores on the same chiplet

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something like that

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I think they still don't run particularly hot?

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like yes you can probably cool it with a fat 120mm aio just fine

modest moss
#

yeah I did a quick search and saw people saying a 120 would be 'ok' but would limit it a bit and that a 240 is better

sly elk
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it may not run quietly!

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but you can keep it safely cool

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also are you sure that case only takes a 120mm?!

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that's crazy MiqoteDepressed

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that's funny because those tt towers are often used for custom watercooler setups lol

lime wasp
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It only fits a 120 AIO, but a 140MM if you air/custom cool.

modest moss
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"The Tower 100 has good hardware support. It can support a CPU cooler with a maximum height of 190mm, VGA with maximum length of 330mm, a power supply with a length of up to 180mm, two 2.5” SSDs with the side bracket, and two 2.5” or two 3.5” HDD at the rear (without rear fan). Although The Tower 100 is a mini-ITX case, it is still optimized for good cooling. The case comes with two preinstalled 120mm standard fans on top and at the rear for thermal extraction. Moreover, you can put one extra 120mm or 140mm fan on the top of the PSU cover and a 120mm All-in-One CPU cooler can be fitted on the top for basic watercooling."

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so it's probably just smaller than it looks

sly elk
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I don't know if anyone makes a 140mm aio though

modest moss
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I really would suggest you consider keeping your current case and just sticking it under the desk on something to raise it off the carpet

sly elk
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but usually radiators are the same size whether or not they're aio radiators

modest moss
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literally all you need is a plank or something

sly elk
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yea idk 😄 It sounds like they want it for the aesthetic, which is fine, as long as they're willing to have extra noise. 🙂

modest moss
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yep they'll have to compromise somewhere, I just like to push the cheapest option

deep sapphire
quaint spear
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remember me?

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on gaming laptop

lime wasp
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I was looking at another case that has a 140MM AIO for the CPU - would that work better for a 5800x?

modest moss
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I remember your juicy office machine

quaint spear
deep sapphire
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On day to day workloads you won’t notice it much regardless

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Just don’t expect chilly temps or anything

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Most games aren’t going to peg 16 threads at a high load, you’d be lucky to see more than 30 percent load doing anything period

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Lmao

quaint spear
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Juicy.

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granted this one's kinda old now

modest moss
deep sapphire
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It’s 110,000 dollars

modest moss
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ok don't buy that

deep sapphire
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Haha

modest moss
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if it were half the price you should

deep sapphire
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Supposedly the eMPG on the highway is only 47 haha, that’s pretty bad

modest moss
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that's not ideal no

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one day there'll be an actually superior EV

deep sapphire
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This thing always seemed like some weird concept car they just decided to build anyway

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It is cool looking but totally impractical

lime wasp
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Ugh. It's driving me up the wall trying to sort it out what is the best way to go.

I could go with the Thermal Take Tower with a 120 AIO and spend like $450 total, but have to worry about CPU cooling.

I could go with the NZXT H1 V2 and worry less since it has a 140MM AIO, but spend $650.

Or I could try the Phantex case but then I'd need a 240MM AIO to use it best AND buy an SFX PSU so I'd spend like $750. It could theoretically support an air cooler + fans to reduce the cost but with Mini ITX the recommendations are all AIOs due to reduced air flow.

modest moss
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or you put a piece of board on the floor for $5 and put it under the desk and you get even more desk space and save hundreds of dollars

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just saying

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literally, a board a couple inches bigger each way than your current case

lime wasp
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It also won't fit under the desk without constantly getting kicked.

Since it is a corner desk with shelves.

modest moss
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all you need to insulate from carpet

deep sapphire
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Just get the 120mm and don’t look at your temps, problem solved

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It’s going to run fine

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The minute you put some stupid OSD shit on you’ll be paranoid about everything

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Source: me 10 years ago

lime wasp
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@modest moss Not putting anything under the desk - it would be kick city if you did. Shelves are too small for any non-ITX build.

Current tower one small nudge from toppling. You see issue and why I want ITX build.

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modest moss
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I'd put it back there?

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shit put a shelf up

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it'd fit back there though by the look of it

lime wasp
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Not allowed to make modifications to room.

Also, in summer that is where the AC goes, and in the winter is a terrible spot because that white panel you see is the heating vent. PC would be directly in front of it.

jaunty light
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Activating wtf mode

deep sapphire
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Lmao

lime wasp
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100TDP?

modest moss
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

Thermal design power

The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, is the maximum amount of heat generated by a computer chip or component (often a CPU, GPU or system on a chip) that the cooling system in a computer is designed to dissipate under any workload.
Some sources state that the peak power rating for a microprocessor is usually 1.5 ...

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5800x spec:
Default TDP
105W

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so 120 is enough if you're not pushing it but it's not ideal

jaunty light
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the same

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1 240/280 good enuf, 360 even better, multiple rads pretty much just for look

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are we talking in SFF or what

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o wait did i say sff I meant an aio in sff or custom

royal forge
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anyone use the LifeSize meeting app?

sly elk
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anyway they want a little computer

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let them have their little computer

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i kinda want a mac studio for when i want to do mac things with power

jaunty light
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Why not SFF passively cooled 10980XE?

kindred brook
jaunty light
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I was looking at the VCP and they still make you do the mandatory 4 grand course for it :OmegaLUL:

kindred brook
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@deep sapphire

sly elk
#

anyone use an email host for their own domain?

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ya?

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I'm weighing options 😄

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i could do office 365 family but it doesn't do DKIM which means more email going to spam >>

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but I never set that up on gsuite anyway?

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😄

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but that mailgun+cloudflare setup sounds jankyu

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nope, I don't wanna

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I have 5 emails to handle on my domain lol. One for each member of the family and one for other stuff

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yea but after august gmail with custom domains won't be free anymore 😦

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at least not the way I was doing it.

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there ... is a way around that

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XD

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you just have to add the identifier records to your dns that godaddy uses

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ofc now that i told you this

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hahahahhahaa

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i also hate godaddy though

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i use hover because hover is the shit

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it has the best, fastest, no BS dns hosting

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but their domain service is great too 😄

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totally no bs

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and the fastest cleanest website

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also office 365 family is cheap 😄

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the 12900ks is a waste of money 😄

lost python
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Yeah it's Intel kekwl

royal forge
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lul

sly elk
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totally not a mining rig

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ahhh and they got the two best looking cards

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well kinda

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bling bling!

unknown.png
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that with matching trident z royal

dull garnet
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imagine paying out the ass for non matching video cards

sly elk
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Best of both worlds right there

dull garnet
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That looks very comfy

umbral moss
sharp star
outer sand
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wow everyone's Aichmophobia is cured!!

inland mauve
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everyone's what

royal forge
#

why do so many people have mic stands?

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I see so many battlestation builds

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so many mic stands

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i mean, like, are they all trying to be streamers?

potent arrow
lost python
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Ye

potent arrow
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And a good mic has to be close to your face

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Stand is convenient because you can tuck it away

lost python
#

Also i have headphones and I am sure as hell not gonna strap some magnetic crap onto them

royal forge
#

icic

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i mean

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i rarely talk

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online

potent arrow
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I fucking hate headsets

lost python
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Same

royal forge
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tbh, same. but since I never talk

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SPEAKERS BABY

lost python
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I don't use speakers that often either

royal forge
#

i have never found a comfy pair of headphones

lost python
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You haven't tried the Philips Fidelio x2 then 👀

royal forge
#

At those prices? No.

potent arrow
#

Correction, **you've never spent a decent amount on headphones

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The difference between <100$ headphones and legit priced ones in comfortability is vast

lost python
#

Eh depends. There are plenty good and expensive ones that just aren't comfortable dogkek

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Also the 20€ super lux hd681 are super comfy

potent arrow
#

I mean that's just the extreme audiophile ones

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My hd6xx are plenty comfortable

lost python
#

I actually also really dislike the Beyer dynamics. Their headband always pushes uncomfortably onto my head

potent arrow
#

But my GFs porta sports are fucking attrocious

royal forge
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i think its cuz i have a big head and the last time I bought a pair of headphones, the fabric on it caused my skin to break into an allergic rash

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so i had these rings around my ears

lost python
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Oof

royal forge
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of inflamed skin

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very itchy

potent arrow
royal forge
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cuz my skin is super sensitive

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so i've always been very scared of headphones

lost python
#

Might be because of the chemicals inside of them maybe

royal forge
#

i dunoe. I've always been scared after that

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the only one I dare to use are those shitty tech support headsets

lost python
#

At least for very cheap ones that could be the case

royal forge
#

ya know, like the airplane ones

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I think it was some gamescom brand?

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i bought it... 7 years ago?

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after that

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never touched a headset

trail flame
#

I dislike headphones cause like

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On ears hurt

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Over ears sweaty af in our weather

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also wearing them for a long time puts pressure on my scalp and i dont like that either

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I do have the benefit of having pretty big ear holes so earbuds are very comfy for me

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so i never found the need to go for headphones

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i have a pair that i use only rarely

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and that's when i left my earbuds somewhere out of reach and i dont wanna get up

potent arrow
#

I don't think I've spent much on them

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Edifers are just fine

lost python
#

Ye

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I don't have the place to actually enjoy good speakers in

lost python
lost python
trail flame
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that's strange

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i've never noticed either

royal forge
#

when I use ear buds for too long, i get ear aches

trail flame
#

ye you might be using the wrong size

royal forge
#

smallest

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sad

trail flame
#

a lot of people use earbuds that are way too big for their holes

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oof

lost python
#

When they are in my ears i hear myself super loud.

trail flame
#

ye have you tried the uh

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pointy type

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the not round earbuds

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there's a kin dthat's like a traffic cone

trail flame
#

i've legit never noticed

royal forge
#

i had those vibration headset

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that transmitted sound via bone vibrations

trail flame
#

oh aren't those like

royal forge
#

it was quite nice

trail flame
#

kinda just novelty though

royal forge
#

but it got twisted

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it was legit comfy

trail flame
#

sound quality?

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like im generally not picky but i really really need good bass

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and good differentiation between voice and music

royal forge
#

Plus, looked like an android

unknown.png
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it was quite ok for me

trail flame
#

oh the ones that loop behind my head don't really work great for me cause i have really long wispy hair that likes to get caught around it

lost python
#

I use those for my VR headset

trail flame
#

i just have wireless earbuds for my VR

royal forge
#

but yeah, back on headsets. me big head. sensitive skin. sufferingu

lost python
#

I think you should try some that aren't cheap shit someday

potent arrow
royal forge
#

and there's always the fear of "it's great now but"

lost python
lost python
royal forge
lost python
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Most decent headphones have either 2 sets of velour or leather in the same size or offer alternatives for purchase that are the same size

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Though if you don't have any local stores you gotta put your luck onto online reviews and shops

royal forge
#

yea.. that's the fear

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but i live alone

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so i don't really care

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haha

#

well

#

live in my own room

outer sand
#

well if you live in JP, better be mindful about noises 👀

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It could lead to community blacklist

royal forge
#

nah im not

kindred brook
#

I guess

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I'm getting a 5800X3

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3D?

#

those benchmarks are spicy

#

why is this board

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so expensive

lost python
#

"benchmarks"

kindred brook
#

damn

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I should have gotten the 130 dollar

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AMD board yesterday

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RIP

#

this was 120

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this supports the 58003D right

lost python
#

Ye

modest moss
#

Raz, you only got 1 paycheque, keep it sane bruh

royal forge
#

nah

#

he buying the solid gold ram sticks

kindred brook
#

YEAH

#

I mean I can use this paycheck to get the mobo still have enough for bills pay off loans

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then use next paycheck to get the CPU

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you can't overclock the 5800X3

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I thought

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is this hype

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real

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😮

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  • I already got DDR4
#

The publication tested at a 720p (1280 x 720) resolution with low custom settings to discard the graphics card as the bottleneck and remove it from the equation. It’s essential to consider that the Intel and AMD systems used different hardware, which XanxoGaming has admitted is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

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article

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IS A LIE

lost python
#

eh

#

lets wait for proper benchmarks id say

#

i kinda have a hard time believing that the cache alone would make this much of a difference, despite lower clock speeds and single core performance

kindred brook
#

🙏

kindred brook
restive bobcat
deep sapphire
lime wasp
#

Back onto my topic from yesterday; do you think an air cooler could get enough air to cool a 5800x in this case?

unknown.png
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Cuz I could put a 140MM fan on the bottom, the rear exhaust and top, and then have like a 180MM tall air cooler inside with one or two fans to push air out the top.

zealous wolf
#

unless you have a fan like a delta fan type to pull in air...

lime wasp
#

Hmm. Damn.

zealous wolf
#

though it depends on where the air is pulled through from that case...

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actually is it pulled from the top or bottom..?

lime wasp
#

It has the bottom vents and you can put a fan on top of the vented PSU shroud, then there are two small mesh panels on either side of the tempered glass.

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Better view of the sides

unknown.png
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@zealous wolf

zealous wolf
#

hmm, from what im reading, theres only 1 fan for intake and another for exhausting...

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and i see no screw holes to put more fans either...

lime wasp
#

The specs say 120MM/140MM fans can be put on top of the PSU Shroud, the Rear vent and the Top vent for a total of 3 fans, or 2 Fans (PSU and Rear) and the 120MM Radiator combo.

zealous wolf
#

basiclly only 3 fans in total can be installed in this case...

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as for pullnig in air, id say a fan that can pull in air the best, is prob the only way to do so...

lime wasp
#

So, quick question; when you use an AIO, you want the Pump to be below where the tubes enter the radiator, right? So even if the tubes dip under the Pump, you just want the connection to the Rad to be above the pump, right?

zealous wolf
#

mostly its gravity itself that does the work when it comes to AIO's as from what JayzTwoCents stated...

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hence i believe why the rad and fan is positioned up top of that case...

lime wasp
#

I meant in general.

Like I was looking at the Phantex EVO Shift 2 and it looked nice, but the layout forces the pump to be above the rad and I was like.....that's death for the Pump, no?

zealous wolf
#

mmh, to be honest thats hard to say for me since ive never used an AIO myself, though ive seen numerous AIO shots where the tubes and rad are mounted up top of a case or in the front intake area or the rear of the case....

#

but not say, having the rad and tubes on the bottom of the case per se....

sly elk
#

to make sure there's no air bubbles hitting the pump

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on an aio your pump is usually in the waterblock

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but not always

#

they stuffed the pump/reservoir in a housing with the radiator on that AIO

#

I'd imagine it won't fit in that tiny TT tower 100 though

#

maybe consider doing a cheap custom loop?

zealous wolf
#

that thing looks fucknig chonky...

#

and custom looping in the case above looks knida possible...

lime wasp
#

I might just try to tough it out with my current case. I mean, it technically fits on top of my desk.

Even if there is only about 2mm of clearance from the feet to the edge of the desk. azasigh

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I keep looking at this 3080 now that it is kinda affordable.

And I really want it.

But at the same time, I have a 3060 and it's like...what good would a 3080 do me?

It ain't like I'm trying to 4k Max Out Cyberpunk or DOOM Eternal here.

I'm just playing at 1440p on like STRIVE, FFXIV, Witcher 3 or XCOM 2 mainly.

jaunty light
#

Hooray it was the inline crossover of the tweeter not my amp

sly elk
#

if you want a small case

#

have you considered a nzxt h1 or a meshilicious or whatever?

#

those are also tall but have a small table footprint

#

ahhhh now to move my google apps emails over to o365 😄

#

for starters: my microsoft account's email address... is the one I host on google apps. so apparently I need to change that.
This should be interesting.

lime wasp
sly elk
#

😦

lime wasp
#

Meshlicious looks nice, but I'd have to get new RAM too as well as a new MB.

But if I stick with my current Tower and just pray to the 12 that there are no earthquakes or anything, I can afford to get a bunch of stuff to upgrade my current build instead.

lime wasp
# sly elk 😦

Like if I just deal with my current case (Corsair 4000x) and go with other upgrades I can go to a 360MM AIO for my 5800x, get an X570 MB instead of the kinda cheap B550 I have and make payments on a 3080 too.

#

Or I could spend nearly the cost of just the 3080 to get my comp in ITX form.

#

I'm feeling the performance upgrade just a little bit more, ya know?

modest moss
#

orrrrrr save all your money and enjoy your pc until it dies or no longer does what you want

sly elk
#

can you just get a side table to put your tower on?

lime wasp
modest moss
#

his desk ^

lime wasp
modest moss
sly elk
#

oh

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if there's an earthquake that won't fall on the floor

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i don't think

lime wasp
#

I thought about putting it under the desk like Shue said but it would just be kick city down there.

And that left corner is reserved for the AC in summer and is a bad spot in winter (heater vent is right there).

sly elk
#

you can't get a different table?

#

or a taller tv stand maybe?

modest moss
#

is there any room to move the whole desk to the left a bit and stick it back right instead?

sly elk
#

i recall you saying no

#

but my goodness

#

that looks like a super inefficient use of space

#

and a new desk would probably be cheaper than modding your computer lol

lime wasp
#

Literally zero room on the TV stand for anything else. Hell, the TV itself barely fits.

The desk doesn't fit properly in the corner (even though it is a corner desk).

sly elk
#

i was suggesting getting a new desk that is more space efficient

lime wasp
#

There isn't one that will fit in the room while having more desk space - they'll all come out too far and jut into the floor area.

sly elk
#

and that corsair 4000d is probably already on the smaller side for a normal tower case anyway

lime wasp
#

It is.

modest moss
#

one option, and you'll probably hate it, is get a triangular stand/table made (or get lucky and find one the right size/height) and stick it in the back right corner here to extend desk a little

#

then you could turn your case parallel to the wall, slot it back a bit, etc

lime wasp
#

I think it should be good for now.

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Thanks though.

sly elk
#

hoooo boy

#

going from google apps/gsuite -> office 365 family is a bit jankier than I imagined hahaha

sly elk
#

feels weird using outlook for personal email tho

#

but i'm ok with that 😄

deep sapphire
modest moss
#

plot statue

deep sapphire
jaunty light
#

@Hardware_Hank#6731

20220408_214246.jpg
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Owned by the fail ping

#

where are the new beauties

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sly elk
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mmm

#

i guess I could go for those with some ring lights

#

i mean those would look sweet with redux fans as well

#

even better with some chromax corners

jaunty light
#

hank actually hates catgirls

#

rejected by a cute miqote

#

shame shame

jaunty light
#

man does anyone else use photoshop and have some wack bs happen

#

why does it decide that me using alt+scroll means I want to zoom 75% to the center of the image, regardless of where i am

#

on some normal size images I can deal, but working at 10k+ it's so jarring and ruins my flow

sly elk
#

heh

#

ok while I was annoyed about the jankiness of making new outlook.com accounts and then giving them aliases, I am happy to have a #%$* desktop email client again.

jaunty light
#

hmm this will not do

unknown.png
sly elk
#

what is it?

#

also didn't realize you could set a video to your banner

#

i wonder if anyone's stuck rick astley in their banner

jaunty light
#

it was a gif that was supposed to be smol but ended up being giantic lmfao

#

lol the qual on this will be trash but it shows what i mean

thisSUCKS.gif
potent arrow
#

It only happens on high dpi pieces too for me

jaunty light
#

become military avoid everything use azure

#

"it's magic"

jaunty light
potent arrow
#

I mean I've used CC all my life and that issue only cropped up in 2021

jaunty light
#

or I guess my PS is 2021 ver, which I consider CC, because adobe naming conventions are trash

potent arrow
#

Im still using my preferences from pre CC

jaunty light
#

I was almost exclusively cs6 until now but cs6 has massive mem leak issues if you do any kind of digital art

potent arrow
#

Btw you might want to look at adobe legacy thingy

#

I had to switch it on when I came from older adobe

#

I don't like how the newer cc transform tool worked

#

Idk if you noticed it

#

https://fstoppers.com/originals/how-bring-back-legacy-transform-tool-and-undo-shortcut-photoshop-cc-2019-314464

Fstoppers
How to Bring Back the Legacy Transform Tool and Undo Shortcut in Ph...

Photoshop CC 2019 launched with plenty of new features, but many users have already started to complain about the radical changes in some tools and shortcuts. Luckily, you can revert those settings and use those tools and shortcuts in legacy mode. With the release of the new Photoshop, more than 20 new features were added, and overall, it is fas...

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I ranted so hard when this was changed

jaunty light
#

wait was this changed what

potent arrow
#

Ye

jaunty light
#

i dont remember this even from cs5/cs6

potent arrow
#

Lmfao idk how

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But it's always been like this

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alt ctrl z was.. always backstep right?

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Yes

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But in newer adobe it's just Ctrl z

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i always had an issue with altZ because of shadowplay

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F-for some reason

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ctrl Z does nothing in my ps2021

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i haven't changed any settings

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Odd

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It always reverts for me

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And drives me mad

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however im currently DYING because of htis god damn issue with zooming at high dpi

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cant even crop because it keeps resseting to the fuckign middle i swear

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Are you sure your ram limit isn't being reached? Ps does a thing where it can't keep up on high dpi and it compensates

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In preference you can allocate more

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I have 20gb to ps

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Check ur preferences in PS itself

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but it does this on first open 0 resource used too so i dont think that;s it

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i let it use 24GB on top of a 1TB NVMe

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Also lmfao what the fuck is your G drive doing

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20gb of ram in PS pref itself

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G: is just a 5400rpm that I'm scanning a 1Gb file to

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The worst thing I had to design was a billboard ad

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My fucking computer weeped

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Illustrator had a fit

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actually I lied, I gave AE the 1Tb NVMe not PS

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but ps I still give a lot

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Nom nom ram

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honestly it's a minimal complaint for ps21 because LR is still straight doodoo

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I still use LR classic becuase it's the only valid LR install and that shit jfc

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do more than 1 mask? crash

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AE is the same way

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Nobody uses LR

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Everyone uses classic

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I can't even close AE, even if it has nothing open, it'll crash instead

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Everyone.

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I know

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LR "new" is garbasge

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couldn't pay me money to use it

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AE is a different beast

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AE is a fucking mess

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Its still "incompatible" with 3090

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I can barely get it to work on my GFs 3090

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So we dropped to a 3080

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It works better on my 3060ti then my GFs 3080

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yeah I used accel with my 2080 Ti, but I haven't tried with the 3090 yet llol

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Have fun.

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Mocha plugin hates my 3060ti tho

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Absolutely

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Hates it

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I'm fully convinced AE is held together by zipties and the blood of orphans

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AE and premiere in my opinion needs to be rebuilt from the ground up

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lol all adobe products felt like that to me

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at least, cs3 and even maybe cs4 felt stable, but it's been such a long time I can't really claim they were actually so vs nostalgia

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Eh, Photoshop/Illustrator/Classic LR are very very very solid

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I cannot find any tools like those three

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That are as versatile and stable

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There is no alternative to InDesign either

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These are interesting

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Classic LR feels like trash to me, especially beyond a certain point, but using it isn't that bad other than waiting 1 minute between changes

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classic LR is fine for me

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Capture 9 is good tho

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gotta pray every time you make a change to an image that is huge and has multiple masks and change

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But Classic LR works best for me because I shoot analog and scan my self developed film

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Masking and such imo belong to photoshop