technology-discussion

[deep sapphire]

Are you a murderer

[jaunty light]

you can come over to my place and find out!

[deep sapphire]

Sus

[jaunty light]

I live on many acres, my nearest neighbor is quite a bit away. Makes for fun activities all night!

[deep sapphire]

So where are you gonna bury me

[jaunty light]

i will bury you in fun, cocaine, blackjack, hookers, and in the special underground bunker that avoids the police dogs

[deep sapphire]

Sounds good to me!

[jaunty light]

[potent arrow]

I clip my phone to w/e controller my gf has around to lend to me, use Bluetooth and parsec into my phone play like that lol

[jaunty light]

[strange verge]

Hey guys! Just wondering do square enix or any other reputable third party companys make final fantasy 14 themed mouse pads? :)

For example how steelseries made mouse pads for Wow

[potent arrow]

Or just get a custom mouse pad with FFXIV art you want uwu

[strange verge]

You can do that?

Cool :)

[potent arrow]

Yeah I have one that I picked

[strange verge]

Show me? 😋

[strange verge]

Awesome!

[potent arrow]

https://shop.x-raypad.com/product-category/products/custom-mousepads/

[strange verge]

Ahh yeah I've heard of Xray pads didn't know they made custom prints tho that's sweet! :)

I gotta be careful what colour I choose tho as I'm using a laser sensor I've heard they can have issues on certain colours

If only Logitech would update the G600 already sigh

Wait or have I got that mixed up? Is it the other way round? Optical sensors struggle with certain colours? Lol

My head right now: 🤯

[potent arrow]

Optical is laser

I wouldn't worry about tracking

A newer mouse will basically work on glass

[sly elk]

I can confirm that

although with logitechs if you calibrate them on your mousepad, they won't work on glass usually

[strange verge]

I see thanks for the heads up 🙂

[potent arrow]

The newest darkfield or whatever do

My anywhere 3s and superlight work well

[sly elk]

if you calibrate against the mousepad they will ignore the glass sometimes

you can undo that easily enough though

it's still not exactly ideal

[potent arrow]

Yeah

[sly elk]

which is too bad because no mousepad is more comfy

[potent arrow]

I love my 3s because at work you don't know if the accountant you are working with has a glass desk

Or a sheet metal desk

[sly elk]

huh

interesting workplace

[potent arrow]

So the sensor just works on any surface

Yeah warehouse accountants set up shop anywhere

Including random piles of sheetmetal...

[paper tusk]

https://www.amazon.com/Taito-Final-Fantasy-Shining-Carbuncle/dp/B07M9WYBHY

kinda cheap quality

no I dont have an obsession with carbuncle

not at....

[real edge]

thats cute

[strange verge]

Kinda want it haha 😂

[untold cipher]

just wanted to say thanks alot! It worked without a capitalized first letter

[dreamy chasm]

Sqex systems are old and shit

So stuff like this are still an issue

[proven spade]

should I bother contacting tech support or post in a specific forum ?

im having unnatural fps drops

i posted on the forum :>

[warm mesa]

wrong channel

😄

[modern iris]

FUCKING CARBUNCLE

[proven spade]

LOL

yeah wrong channel lmao

didnt even see it

[hard drift]

what do you need another for

[umbral moss]

carbuncle

[paper tusk]

[modern iris]

just asking but other then razer has there been any new mmo mouse model this past year ?

[round flax]

idk how, but my controller issues stopped

[modest moss]

another victory for #technology-discussion

[hard drift]

rng victory

[hardy mauve]

I need a new controller

Especially since the cord for it is made up of 3 different lengths of cable and spliced with wire nuts

[dreamy chasm]

I need a new chair

I'm pretty sure my current one is trying to kill me

[hard drift]

what'd it do/you do

[potent arrow]

With wut money

[dreamy chasm]

Mine

I'm looking at the 40-80 dollar range rn

All I can afford without cutting too deep into my funds lmao

[dreamy chasm]

It's falling apart and is giving me major neck strain

[hard drift]

😔

[dreamy chasm]

I hate it

[modest moss]

buy an operator chair rather than a gaming chair

[dreamy chasm]

Yeah

It's down to these two for now

Ayaya, cute gamer table

[modest moss]

that's cute, I decorated my apartment in xiv yesterday and it's about as pink as that

[dreamy chasm]

I see

I'd be tempted by this if I had the cash

[potent arrow]

Second one

Second one has more controls

And taller neck support

[dreamy chasm]

Hh

True

I'm not v tall though

Hm

There's also some cloth foam back chairs but they seem like a pain to clean

[potent arrow]

I prefer mesh so my back can breathe and not ruin my skin

[dreamy chasm]

True

I'll probably end up buying the second chair

Its 50 bucks w shipping

[potent arrow]

Spoiler gamer shirt with sweat and no ventilation makes back skin sadge

[dreamy chasm]

Probably cheap plastic but

If it works, I guess

[potent arrow]

Cyan just upgrading their set up this month

[dreamy chasm]

Yeaah

My table is some shitty desk made out of ply wood w chipping paint lmao

Chair is really old

My monitor is a 10 year old dell ips

I'm probably not upgrading that one for a long while though

[sly elk]

it's like a rule of progression with computer setups

[potent arrow]

I just upgrade everything at once

[hard drift]

wanna trade 😭

[potent arrow]

Or have a set service schedule

[sly elk]

first you get an old dining table chair

probably one from the kitchen table or something

then you get someone's old office chair

that one's really ugly and the back doesn't stay on right but it's durable as hell because it was made forever ago

[dreamy chasm]

I cant w how little cash I have to spend

[sly elk]

then you buy a cheap office chair

then you buy 10 cheap office chairs because they keep breaking

[dreamy chasm]

I'm technically buying a cheap office chair rn

But it's got a high back at least, ig

[sly elk]

awesome!

high back chairs are the best

[potent arrow]

my first chair was an office chair I got from a construction site dumpser

Now it's a javaflafary from ikea

I'm not sure I'll ever upgrade it

[sly elk]

at some point if you're lucky to have enough $$ you just throw it at a fancy chair in hopes your butt won't get sore after 30 mins xD

then you find out the fancy chair cost is mostly marketing

[potent arrow]

My ultimate chair is one I make myself

But that's untill I'm older

Like I plan on building a house with a proper workshop

Not about to build a nice chair in my room lol

[sly elk]

i kinda want a car chair retrofitted onto a desk chair frame

but those don't really work that great

[potent arrow]

Yeaaah xD

I need one last thing in my set up to upgrade before I am truly happy

And that's a monitor stand

I still haven't found one I'm happy with

[dreamy chasm]

Why

[potent arrow]

Judging by bidoruis light

I don't want to see his chair

[dreamy chasm]

Also, I'd honestly have gotten a kneeling chair if they weren't so expensive

[potent arrow]

That was offensive

[dreamy chasm]

It's like

100 bucks for a wedge of wood

???

[hard drift]

my main monitor for everything but games is some old ass monitor i can't even find the model of anymore. it's atleast older than 10 years as the updated version of it was made in 2013

[dreamy chasm]

Is it a tn panel

[hard drift]

probably

it's for sure not ips

[dreamy chasm]

Ah

Might be VA

If the viewing angles aren't ass

[hard drift]

and the bezels are big

oh they are ass lol

[dreamy chasm]

Tn then

Mines ips but its old

I'm surprised it still works

You might be able to buy old monitors off of liquidation firms if you look hard enough @hard drift

[hard drift]

yeah, i'm waiting atm, probably going to upgrade it to a miniled when they come out/i save up

i want it for better viewing experience but that's for sure another option if that time doesn't come/it craps out before then

[dreamy chasm]

just get a solid ips panel

[hard drift]

yeah i've been looking keeping options open seeing prices etc

[dreamy chasm]

Fair

[jaunty light]

[sly elk]

it's important to get a monitor you won't get sick of looking at

[jaunty light]

[sly elk]

i like this battlestation

[dull garnet]

proper speakers

dunno why you'd mount them sideways though

[sly elk]

mmm i like my improper speakers

they're very improper.

[potent arrow]

@deep sapphire

[modern iris]

That is almighty Allah smiting the car owner for buying a Subaru.

[paper tusk]

F i s h

[sly elk]

Car got slapped around a big with a large trout

[hardy mauve]

How the fuck did you hit a fish lmao

[hardy mauve]

Hello fellow IRC geek lol

[deep sapphire]

Is that a fish LMAO

[hard drift]

gotta keep the car clean

[proven spade]

so a mod replied to my thread and requested that i send him all the system information data, and i have act + the 3rd party launcher

should i just copy them in clipboard and remove those entries?

i posted cause i have fps drops for no reason

[hard drift]

you can if you're worried but i'm sure a lot post it or don't think about it

[proven spade]

i removed some that i thought would be against tos like act and textools

i should be able to run it on max but for some reason i get like 35-40 ~ on p3s 😦

with effects set to limited also

[hard drift]

what are your specs

[proven spade]

i5-6400+1060 3GB

[hard drift]

pretty sure it's the gpu holding you back, what resolution are you at

[proven spade]

1080p

60Hz

[hard drift]

what happens if you lower to around medium-high

[proven spade]

i havent tried that but

im not playing like doom, dont think there's a vram problem

[proven spade]

it was working fine after fresh install, all to max and no fps drops

lowest was like 45 but in alliance raid

with effects set to all

i only care about 8 man content anyway lol

savage etc

[proven spade]

how are you this sure? it's the first time im hearing my gpu isn't enough for this game

i mean i experienced it first hand, no issues after clean install, alliance raid, all settings maxed out + all battle effects and it was mostly 60 sometimes dropping to 45 but not that often

[hard drift]

what are thermals/task manager looking like

[proven spade]

which means 8man should be fine

i checked for throttling after the clean install

it was really far away from that

task manager i dont remember

thats the puzzle, it was working correctly and then stopped

[proven spade]

should i queue for an alliance and then what? check cpu and gpu graphs ?

[hard drift]

i mean you already said it was happening in alliance raids even before

[proven spade]

actually maybe i could just queue into p3 ?

[hard drift]

try that

also is it 100% of the time or for extended durations of playtime

[proven spade]

after the clean

it was working perfectly

before the clean i had massive fps drops and that installation was also new

[proven spade]

no it isn't 100% of the time

the most extreme example i can think of is during firestorms

when the nados get baited and they fire at the same time + tank tethers

[hard drift]

also just so you know, a 1060 regular aka 6gb is stronger than the 1060 3gb

just to have that out of the way going forward lol

[proven spade]

yeah it has better specs

more vram and more cuda etc etc

more execution units, think thats what they are called

ik the game is old but on witcher 3 i was getting like around 45-60 fps with everything maxed out

[hard drift]

also keep an eye on task manager while in the instance

[hard drift]

recently?

[proven spade]

what should i look for

[proven spade]

not recently, no

[hard drift]

check drives/gpu and see if there are spikes to say 100% where you get a huge frame drop

[proven spade]

drives as in ssd ?

[hard drift]

i would say test it if you have it still

yeah

[proven spade]

is there a way to record stuff

before i go in

cause it might lead to bad info if i need to alt tab

[hard drift]

could use hwmonitor

and then take the logs before the game but might not be 100% accurate/best

[proven spade]

yeah i got that installed i think

[hard drift]

but yeah do that and then also test the witcher again if possible, could very well be a driver

are you on the same gpu driver as the stable 60+ you were getting a while back?

[proven spade]

i have the latest version of the nvidia driveer iirc

[hard drift]

yeah but do you know what you had before?

so you can test that driver version see if it helps/worsens

[proven spade]

nope

100% sure different driver

[hard drift]

okay, so next if we can't find anything try an older driver see if it's better or worse

[proven spade]

so newer driver means fps drops? hmmm xD

[hard drift]

newer drivers aren't always best

[proven spade]

could it be installing drivers on top of an other (not clean installing them) cause an issue ?

[hard drift]

yes

have you not been using ddu?

[proven spade]

how do i do the logging? press logging start, save them (?) then start the log as i go in the instance ?

[proven spade]

sadly no

[proven spade]

no

[hard drift]

no idea, it's mainly to see if it gets pegged to 100% and then your value is close to it

[hard drift]

....

[proven spade]

guess we found it?

[hard drift]

okay so after this, ddu then try an old driver then test again

not necessarily

but it's a start

[proven spade]

i mean i stopped using it cause last time i used it i clicked on an option in settings or something and i couldn't boot at all

[hard drift]

wtf did you do

[proven spade]

no idea

[modest moss]

most of the time ddu isn't necessary when updating an nvidia driver lol

[hard drift]

always better safe than sorry especially since their experience isn't pleasant atm lol

[proven spade]

and how come newer drivers get worse

is that a general rule or does it affect specific games

[hard drift]

it applies to specific games/use case

[proven spade]

i also meddled with a lot of nvidia settings (manage 3d settings, some colour related stuff)

can i save those settings

before i clean it with ddu

[hard drift]

i believe so but idk how

[proven spade]

try without them, input them and try again to check if those did anything

if they did ill just stick to default

[robust vessel]

Hi tech. I have a question. Sometimes XIV will crash without an error and just goes right back to my desktop. Is there something I can check as to why it's happening or something I should be looking for?

[hard drift]

check event viewer under applications maybe, might have something

[robust vessel]

I'll be raiding or in a dungeon, the game will freeze for a second then boop just nukes itself and I'm back at my desktop and every thing is fine again.

Okay

[hard drift]

also look under system around the time it happens see if something matches up under error/warnings in event viewer

[robust vessel]

Okay

Can do

[proven spade]

honestly idk

i didnt actually get fps drops

though the mechanics are definitely different from p3 to p3s

@hard drift

[hard drift]

how much ram do you have?

[proven spade]

16gb

dunno if they even useful, but there you go lol

[proven spade]

wdym with that

[modest moss]

maybe it's just me, but you're running an i5 from 6 generations ago with a low-mid range gpu from 2 generations ago, I'd have thought you're getting about expected performance

[hard drift]

idk if ffxiv really utilizes it but it's also 4c/4t so no hyperthreading

[modest moss]

it's not even the top end i5 from gen 6

[deep sapphire]

You can filter the logs so it only shows warnings and critical events too

[proven spade]

actually they have better value than my rly badly timed screenshots

[proven spade]

can you read the 2 logs and tell me if there are worrying numbers inside ?

[hard drift]

i'm looking now, so far it's fine

[proven spade]

ill maake sure to record again though

next time, it will be p3s where i will get drops 100% guaranteed

[hard drift]

is your memory running at rated speed btw?

[proven spade]

i mean i will 100% agree the hardware is outdated, however how would you explain me getting stable and mostly high fps (60) on an alliance raid with all effects on right after a clean install ?

[proven spade]

no the chipset doesn't allow me to OC the memory, i tried lol

[hard drift]

...

man i hate intel

[proven spade]

xD

no XMP yeah...

[hard drift]

@deep sapphire isn't there a workaround for it or no?

[proven spade]

matter of fact i even tried to post an ad on a group saying i will pay you to oc my chip and they just said no this can't be done

[hard drift]

you'd gain almost nothing from overclocking your cpu

[proven spade]

i see

[hard drift]

you'd literally spend less buying a new cpu

[proven spade]

the pc i want to purchase will be around 4k-5k

and now i have less than 2k

it will take multiple salaries to buy the thing

i want to upgrade but a no compromises build is expensive

[hard drift]

what chipset do you have?

[robust vessel]

Yes I know

Just trying to see what would be best, so I don't waste time

Maybe it's memory

[proven spade]

H170 https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H170 Pro4Hyper/

[hard drift]

it shouldn't crash it like that with no error

[proven spade]

when my vram runs out it uses ram ?

or just throttles

[hard drift]

some of it yeah in terms of whatever you allocate to the shared memory

it'll be slower anyways, you can't use the ram at full speed

[proven spade]

so what else is there for me to try

DDU ?

[hard drift]

an older driver is the only thing i can think of

yeah

[proven spade]

i see

[hard drift]

because the hardware/chipset is limiting other possibilities

[proven spade]

is there a way to find out which driver to download

could it be nvidia panel settings pushing the gpu too hard ?

[hard drift]

doubtful but could always check

[proven spade]

huh... why do i haave optimal power lol shouldnt it be full performance

i swear this setting changes on it's own

[hard drift]

also for texture filtering - quality is there one for balanced/performance?

[hard drift]

change it to performance/high performance and test those

[latent grotto]

Probably wanna go either performance or high performance

[hard drift]

also driver probably won't matter, nvidia hasn't released recent ones from the looks of it...

their last game ready drivers were back in september

[proven spade]

clean install was in 17th of sept

no wait

[modest moss]

wut

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/drivers/results/187107/

[proven spade]

17/10

17th of the 10th month anyway

[modest moss]

game ready driver for a 1060 from 14th feb

[hard drift]

idk i'm on their page and this is what i see even for newer cards

[modest moss]

I literally just did a search for 1060 + win 10 x64 on nvidia.com

read the link I posted

GeForce 10 Series
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, GeForce GTX 1080, GeForce GTX 1070 Ti, GeForce GTX 1070, GeForce GTX 1060, GeForce GTX 1050 Ti, GeForce GTX 1050, GeForce GT 1030, GeForce GT 1010

[hard drift]

yeah i'm just saying using their shit this is what pops up

[proven spade]

i could just buy a 3080Ti with the money I have but i d probably need to change PSU and it would just function as 1060 6GB basically lol

[hard drift]

don't

literally don't

your system needs a whole upgrade to even consider that

[proven spade]

the plan is to get everything at once

replace all parts at once basically

[modest moss]

which one? level 50 content made years ago will likely be better optimised and aimed at lower hardware

[proven spade]

nier raids

[modest moss]

I literally used their shit on the nvidia.com main page

[hard drift]

like i said, idk this is what is showing up so they need to fix it 🤷‍♂️

[deep sapphire]

Likely culprits are firewall/permissions or some program conflict. Could try msconfig and limited startup to see if that helps. Otherwise file corruption is my last guess

[modest moss]

user error

[hard drift]

this is their shit lol

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

literally do the 1060 and it's not there

[proven spade]

so basically just get logs from p3s and that's about it huh

😦

[robust vessel]

But the game will run fine for 24 hours then randomly just boops away.

Poof

[modest moss]

tried an integrity check with quicklauncher?

[robust vessel]

No, can do

[modest moss]

if p3s is the only place you're getting fps drops then it's quite possible that it's simply that instance being poorly optimised

if p3n is fine, then it's like a particular mechanic or effect hitting your old hardware in the nuts

[proven spade]

hmm

okay i will be doing reclears

on tuesday

[modest moss]

go do other stuff, see if it happens elsewhere

[proven spade]

ill check if i get massive fps drops on p1s and p2s

[modest moss]

I bet your pc is 'fine' and it's just an isolated thing

[proven spade]

hopefully ^^

ill prob record the reclears as well

[modest moss]

go run alliance roulette or normal raid roulette, get in an omega fight or something

[proven spade]

so basically start the recording b4 you go in instance and stop it when you hit the exit

the content i really care about are raids

and trials i guess

[hard drift]

why are you recording...

[proven spade]

idk

[hard drift]

just the hwmonitor?

or like actual recording

[proven spade]

yeah that

hw

[hard drift]

okay

[proven spade]

if it throttles it should show there

[modest moss]

it's not really about what content you care about when troubleshooting, it's about testing it in similar instances to see what it does

you need to do things that put a similar stress on the hardware for comparison

[modest moss]

this is why I'm better than you

[deep sapphire]

Blow it out your ass

I’m buying a controller

Because Japan can’t do keyboard

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-kiss-gif-23843440

[deep sapphire]

That’s wholesome shue you’re my favorite European

[modest moss]

this is the difference, you're rude and I still hug you

[modest moss]

for?

Elden Ring?

[proven spade]

i will start with hw recording of p1s and p2s

then do p3s as well

then ill share the logs and check whats happening in the hardware while mechanics go off

and then we'll see what we gonna do/try next idk :c

[modest moss]

ok but real talk, you're not gonna get much better than that

[proven spade]

?

wdym

[modest moss]

your hardware is not capable of much more

[modern iris]

I get like 25-30 FPS at medium settings on my Radeon 580.

:(

[deep sapphire]

Yeah

I got to this boss fight and it’s like holy shit this is so bad

[proven spade]

but i dont want anything more than 1080@60

thats all i ask

until i have the money to upgrade

[modest moss]

your cpu is shit mate

[umbral moss]

XIV is also incredibly CPU limited

[proven spade]

i know

[modern iris]

720p might get better results, Lord Zenos.

[umbral moss]

I can barely top 90 fps at 1440 because my CPU is almost seven years old

😔

[deep sapphire]

What processor does he have

[modest moss]

i5 6400

with a 1060

[proven spade]

the reason im concerned and asked for help is that right after clean install i didnt have an issue and now I do

[hard drift]

1060 3gb

[deep sapphire]

Yeah i5s are pretty gimped from that generation

You only have 4 threads

[modest moss]

and he's getting 35-40 fps on high settings in p3s

[deep sapphire]

An i7 from that era will do much better

[proven spade]

pretty sure it can handle ffxiv in my settings but for some reason it isnt working as it should

[modest moss]

and I'm like, yeah that's about right

[proven spade]

not 100% of the time

[modern iris]

I've got a Ryzen 1600X in mine

[deep sapphire]

Welllll that does seem a tad low but from what I read you guys already covered the obvious bases

[proven spade]

it drops that low on firestorms for example

[modest moss]

so like I said, specific mechanics that you just can't handle

drop your settings

[proven spade]

if it comes to that i will just drop them yeah

[hard drift]

i mean you're playing on max, the next step is to lower it to keep your hardware playing nicely

[proven spade]

ill give it one more shot

and then i will lower

[umbral moss]

I just play with battle FX disabled anyway

so I can actually see my character

[proven spade]

i play with limited

[rapid hollow]

Cpu bound is a nightmare

[proven spade]

@hard drift how did you open the csv file ?

[hard drift]

excel

[proven spade]

O_o

this what im supposed to be seeing then?

[hard drift]

that is not excel

[proven spade]

it is

[hard drift]

the categories are at the top

for example, page file usage

and then the numbers relating to that are under it

[proven spade]

what a nightmare of a ui lol

[hard drift]

🤷‍♂️ it works

[proven spade]

not very readable for me O_o

gues there's no formatting

[deep sapphire]

the only things that will cripple performance is resource usage, memory leaking, thermal issues or subpar hardware

if you've ruled out the first 3

you just have to accept your system isnt up to the task

[modest moss]

I mean, he's said it's literally just fps drops during specific mechanics during one particular savage raid so far

until he can be bothered to test it in different things, then that's the end of it

I asked him to go test it in an alliance or normal raid roulette and he's like no, he'll do reclears next week

so it's whatever

[dull garnet]

buy a 6700K

ez

[modern iris]

Ryzen 1600X would be better

[dull garnet]

nah

[modest moss]

6700k should go straight on his board

1600x = new mobo etc

[dull garnet]

also it is a bad chip

lol

[modern iris]

1600X curbstomped Intel

[modest moss]

recommending an old amd cpu as a solution for a guy with an old intel setup is dogshit advice

[hard drift]

no it didn't lol, first gen ryzen was literally amds "hey i'm still here" generation it didn't curbstomp anything plus they're already on lga 1151 so it's pointless to go am4 since that's even more of a hassle

[sly elk]

it looks like you're not delimiting by commas, but instead by spaces. if you tell excel to use the commas it'll eat them and make columns correctly. it likes to default to spaces. usually excel will ask when you load a file.

[modest moss]

if they're going to buy a new cpu it should either be compatible with existing setup like the 6700k speedy suggested or they buy something current

[deep sapphire]

Ryzen 1 was genuinely a bad gaming CPU

a 6700 or 7700K would beat it in almost any situation for gaming

[dull garnet]

basically true of any ryzen before zen 3

[jaunty light]

ye

Plagued with chipset issues, ram incompatibility and IMC issues, latency, it was still better than my 4670k by a lot but the 8700k was like 50-100% better on avg

[deep sapphire]

Anime girl

[jaunty light]

@deep sapphire

[deep sapphire]

Is that you

[jaunty light]

Definitely

[dull garnet]

would bang

[deep sapphire]

zen 2 was pretty good

zen 1 was poopy though

[proven spade]

explain the first 2, its almost certainly not thermal issues and the hw was able to pull off anything right after clean install

but yeah its likely it's just specific mechanics the gpu cant handle

i just queued for an alliance roulette

[dull garnet]

i went to Zen+ (2600) from an i7 2700K and while I understand they are different product tiers they scored the same in the FF14 bench

[proven spade]

skylake cpus arent even sold locally iirc

intel stopped producing them a while ago

unless a shop has leftovers that they never sold

[deep sapphire]

zen 2 is 3000 series

2000 series was zen1 +

and yeah you would have to buy second hand

and they are kind of overpriced

a 6700K is about 150-180 USD

[proven spade]

i thought getting a 1060 6gb as an upgrade but its probably not worth it idk

[dull garnet]

yea my b <.<

[deep sapphire]

is your CPU pegged near 100 percent while playing the game

[proven spade]

im in queue for an alliance

and recording a log

[deep sapphire]

okay

[dull garnet]

1060 6GB is like what

15% faster than a 3GB

and I doubt ff uses that much video ram

[proven spade]

yeah exactly

ff might use maybe 4 gb

probably not more than that

[robust vessel]

Looks like NVidia got hacked

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-hit-by-major-cyberattack-that-may-have-completely-compromised-parts-of-its-business/

[dull garnet]

no more video cards, sorry guys

[latent grotto]

Its fine

Nvidia was gonna sell those gpus directly to miners anyway

[robust vessel]

[modest moss]

" Another major concern is that NVIDIA will now have to ensure that their services and the software they are providing to end-users is entirely free of any viruses or malicious code that could affect them."

they should be fucking doing that anyway lol

[magic elk]

Soooo since 3-4 days ago I've 1-2 dc's per evening at random but only with ff14, I've traced and tested the routing with WinMTR now and it looks like the very last IP before 195.82.50.10 (EU light) has some packet loss, anyone has a idea if I can do something about it?

The IP where the loss occurs is 195.82.50.230, so something at the data center?

Or is that natural?

Due to filtering stuff or smth.

[deep sapphire]

AMD can’t say the same about it’s drivers and having “malicious” code amirite

[deep sapphire]

If it’s the last hop before the internal datacenter gateway it’s likely an issue with it unable to handle abunch of packet loss. The game had a tendency to immediately drop a connection if it detects a chain of dropped packets. You aren’t getting any packet loss at all through the rest of your route?

[proven spade]

but yeah cpu always close to 100%

so far

[modest moss]

that's gonna be why, p3s is obviously doing a bunch of stuff, more than regular content, so your pc is like HOLD UP BRO

[dull garnet]

[magic elk]

nope nothing, I also have no problems all day with any other application 0%

I mean 400k glasfibre and since the EU servers are probably in frankfurt(?) I live pretty much next to it

[proven spade]

pretty huge file for a log

i wasnt able to watch all the time

but the lowest average fps given from the ingame plugin

was like 50

between nvida panel being maxed and ingame, which settings in hierarchy will give the biggest fps boost if i lower them ? the "x(number" settings called anti-aliasing ?

what's kinda weird to me is how i have party effects set to limited and it doesn't help

idk

guess i gotta accept that my hardware is shitty

[hard drift]

Yup

[hard drift]

Turn off shadows

[proven spade]

oh yeah true

with hide it means they are off yeah ?

or do i lower/disable the ones that are directly below

[dreamy chasm]

How's this look to you @potent arrow

[hard drift]

Turn on lod

[hard drift]

Also yes

[hard drift]

Still have to do resolution/cascading and softening

[potent arrow]

kinda iffy seems a bit short backed

not enough seat controls either

[hard drift]

In other notes my keycaps are here, now to wait for my keyboard

[dreamy chasm]

True

Hm

I guess I'll go with the other one.

[proven spade]

how do i do that? i found lod

[hard drift]

it's in the screenshot you sent...

[proven spade]

oh those

[hard drift]

yeah those tank fps

[proven spade]

alright nice

i heard about shadows few years ago but i forgot

im currently in university so i can collect money only in summer 😒

#soon™️

[hard drift]

5800x3d soon

[latent grotto]

What if

I bought the 5950x3d

[hard drift]

won't exist 99% chance

it's doubted the 5900x3d is even coming just the 5800x3d

[latent grotto]

Tbh I dont even know what they're coming out with

[hard drift]

the 5800x3d is supposedly faster than the 5900x meaning it'll be the best gaming chip of them

this is what they showed when the announced it

and this is vs the 12900k supposedly

but of course we'll see

[dull garnet]

currently i'd just buy intel

[hard drift]

i mean true but if you're already on am4 it'd be expensive to swap platforms still more so than just a new cpu

[dreamy chasm]

I recommend Intel to new sys builders unless prices are off

Amd is still going to be the better path if you already have an Am4 board though

[hard drift]

yeah the new intel platform is nice only because it also gives you 13th gen if they stay true to their word if not on am4 that is

[dreamy chasm]

Price perf on Intel is just nice atm

A 12100f and an h610 board is about as good as a lot of older 200 dollar chips without motherboard costs included

[zealous wolf]

yup that cyber attack on nvidia is honestly meh cause the GPUs were gonna be sold to the crypto crowds anywho....

[dreamy chasm]

Nvidia can take the loss from whatever comes from that

[modest moss]

if you do, send me your 5900x (and I'll sell it and buy an intel)

[jaunty light]

Ill give you a 5900x for your egirl apartment

[modest moss]

my egirl apartment

[latent grotto]

Truly

Egorl apartment

[latent grotto]

what if I need that 5900x to run my fridge

[modest moss]

you mean run your oven

[jaunty light]

U wish, intel lover

[deep sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/855143962666991617.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[modest moss]

Hank & Honk

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/snuggle-anime-cute-hug-gif-15150252

Mods asleep post yuri

[modern iris]

[solid dirge]

No, because you're not hank at all

Imposter.

Unrelated: I picked up these headphones yesterday. $80, down 40.

So 120 normally.

Two things:
One, they POUND LIKE A BASTARD

And two: I'm absolutely deaf to the world with these in. Almost literally.

And I work in a fuckin machining shop. That SAYS something.

They're not even like uncomfortably loud, they just have absolutely stellar bass and great noise cancellation

[jaunty light]

I am Hank!

God I love Chevy and catgirls! Also Ford sucks!

[solid dirge]

@deep sapphire

You will be judged for your crimes by the man himself

[sly elk]

One of my favorite gifs

[proven spade]

they typically keep a mobo for 2 gens, the same happened for skylake and next gen

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-hug-snuggle-cuddle-yuri-gif-23288514

[boreal surge]

Damn where you get those deals?

[solid dirge]

Fuckin best buy rofl, so they're not really deals

[deep sapphire]

I agree

[jaunty light]

[sly elk]

I wanna go to an audiophile forum and be like

I want headphones that "POUND LIKE A BASTARD" when I play my favorite hip-hop music.

[jaunty light]

Yeah we will pound you like a bastard alright

[sly elk]

I suppose I desire a clingy gf lol

geeez doesn't this look a lot like the old tacoma

the window line and stuff seems so similar. i guess "there's only so many ways to do it"

I wanna make a car have analog window switches

so that the more you push the button, the faster the window moves

[modest moss]

welp, that just happened, my kid made me watch Twilight

[jaunty light]

We know who wears the pants in the house

[dreamy chasm]

cyberpunk is a cool game

[modest moss]

I enjoyed it

eventually

[dreamy chasm]

i pirated it

i might actually buy it once i have actual money to spend

[modern iris]

The later you buy it the better the game gets

[modest moss]

I tried it at release and it was unplayable, tried again after a few patches and a better gpu and it was about the same level of glitchy as Fallout New Vegas

so still pretty glitchy, but playable

[modern iris]

Had 0 issues both day 1 and now

[jaunty light]

Cypresspunk just didnt like shue

[modern iris]

[modest moss]

you're in the minority then

[modern iris]

Yeah so it seems

[jaunty light]

Some gamers are just elite

[modest moss]

and some are massive weeb degens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5r-btTpUA

someone buy me a steam deck

[eager sandal]

give me the money and ill buy it

for myselfyou

[modest moss]

I'll be nice to you in novice network if you get me one

can't say fairer than that

[eager sandal]

[jaunty light]

Shue confirmed toxic bully

[modest moss]

this is not new news bruh

I was bullying people online before half this server was born

[jaunty light]

[modern iris]

I've been sincereposting since America Online. I got banned from chatrooms on it between Kindergarten and 3rd grade.

Someone triggered the bot again?

Huh what?

Noticed a message got deleted the moment I joined so I thought someone got muted

Oh, no. I was having trouble using emoji.

Oooh

My first internet handle was TRex987

I loved dinosaurs back then, I still love em.

That's an old school name

[sharp star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUh2qtjZu4E

[dreamy chasm]

tldr is

hardware is good

software needs work

and that software is thankfully the easiest bit to fix in a device

[iron kiln]

oops I didn’t pick up a recent nvidia driver.. should I wait until more info comes out about the cyber attack before downloading anything on their site?

[boreal surge]

Uh.... buy a steam deck?

[kindred brook]

I gochu fam

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/tialuz-gif-18210777

[kindred brook]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Certified-Refurbished/Liquid-Cooling/iCUE-H150i-ELITE-CAPELLIX-Liquid-CPU-Cooler-(Refurbished)/p/CW-9060048-WW/RF

AIO I wanted

is finally on sale

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[latent grotto]

But its refurbished

[kindred brook]

SHHHHHHH

refurbs arent bad

refurb lottery

[modest moss]

Raz bro

when even Levant is telling you it's a bad deal

[latent grotto]

I already dont trust aios

Refurbished just makes me doubt it even more

[kindred brook]

ok ok I cancel

pepe hands

wait for better sale

[modest moss]

just buy one when you buy cpu/mobo/ram

you plonker

[kindred brook]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-milan-x-cpu-preorders-start-4300-dollars

Why

Big yikes

[hard drift]

it's a server cpu 🤨

[deep sapphire]

Bidori just woke up and is already irate at this channel

[hard drift]

nah lol

just why is a person saying "yikes" to a server cpu when 99.99% chance they aren't buying one

[modest moss]

it's Raz

[hard drift]

plus a reason for the higher prices is it has 3x the cache vs regular milan

[modest moss]

tell him he'll get 5% better twitch latency and he'll buy one

[hard drift]

lmao

[hard drift]

my keyboard is just now leaving the origin country 😔

so hopefully it'll be here next week

[modest moss]

I preordered a thing for my kid for christmas

paid in July 2021

was meant to ship mid november

they shipped it 21st december

it only arrived in the UK last week

[hard drift]

damn that's a long ass delay

[modest moss]

cheap bastards put it on a train from China lol

[hard drift]

a train????

that sounds like it'd cost more in the long run...

[modest moss]

'air freight is too expensive now'

I was like BITCH ALIEXPRESS GET THINGS HERE IN TEN DAYS

wankers

[hard drift]

lol

[modest moss]

oh well, better late than never

they're a good kid, they rarely complain so they're just being patient

[kindred brook]

I will buy one!

In hell!

This would be me too

[deep sapphire]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17762819/broken-church-clock-oil/

@modest moss

[kindred brook]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-hill-wd40-king-of-the-hill-gif-15160748

[deep sapphire]

I love that scene

That whole episode is hilarious

[kindred brook]

Lol

[deep sapphire]

When they try to get back into Texas

https://youtu.be/CT7zyKMchU8

[kindred brook]

Lmfao

[modest moss]

wd40 is the shiz

[deep sapphire]

I love that smart spray straw they have

The stupid plastic ones you stick in the nozzle always fall out and get lost

[still cypress]

Well Shue

I wonder when the 3090TI is coming out

[umbral moss]

never

by the time they have enough to ship the 40 series will be ready

[still cypress]

3080TI >3090 isn't it?

[modest moss]

no, 3090 is better

not a huge difference though in most use cases

3090 has a lot more vram

[still cypress]

Ah I see, I thought they were pretty even

[modest moss]

they are pretty even in most things

but the 3090 has 24gb vram vs 12gb on 3080ti

[still cypress]

Icic

[modest moss]

3090 marginally faster so unless you definitely need a huge amount of vram (you probably don't) the 3080ti is better value for money usually, msrp is $300 lower

[still cypress]

Yea that's pretty close

I assume the 400 series will compare to the 3090 similarly

[modest moss]

yes, they'll be stupidly scalped and impossible to buy at msrp too

[still cypress]

Just gotta be fast

Turn back on Wario64 Twitter notifications when 400 series release date approaches

Have your best buy, Amazon, target, and Walmart accounts already created with credit card info already in the system

Tis the only way to beat the bots

[hardy mauve]

God Comcast ceases to amaze me

I have unlimited data, and yet they still tell me I went over. wtf

[late basalt]

Comcrap *

[hardy mauve]

Better than 3Mbps DSL

[serene radish]

How can I stop the game from randomly switching back and forth to the Intel GPU instead of using my dedicated Nvidia GPU? I set the game everywhere I can to use only the Nvidia GPU but it keeps switching to the Intel which causes big fps drops
And no other game does that

[hardy mauve]

Disable the Intel GPU in device manager

[serene radish]

Well now my whole monitor is black and I'm hearing weird tapping noises

[thorn vault]

Is your monitor plugged into your graphics card?

Or is it a laptop?

[serene radish]

It's a laptop

[hardy mauve]

Are you using some sort of external GPU?

Hook a monitor to the Nvidia if possible

[serene radish]

No

[hardy mauve]

Where's the Nvidia?

[serene radish]

What do you mean? I'm using a laptop, I can't hook anything directly to the card

[serene radish]

Sorry what do you mean? It's in the computer

[hardy mauve]

So it keeps flipping between the Intel and Nvidia?

Sounds like there's an issue with the Nvidia

[serene radish]

Yes

I mean I have the task manager open and every time I get the FPS problems I see that it's the Intel card getting active for some reason

[serene radish]

It doesn't happen with other games including newer ones, so that doesn't make much sense.

and I'm on the lowest settings in FF14 even though my Nvidia control keeps telling me to optimise by switching to higher settings

[hardy mauve]

Updated drivers? I'm trying to work out why the hell a laptop has two GPUs lol

I know the CPU has one built in but the hecklol

[serene radish]

Doesn't every laptop have two GPUs?

Or at least every laptop with a high performance GPU

[hardy mauve]

I've only ever seen one

[serene radish]

Every laptop I've ever had came with an integrated Intel HD gpu and the additional Nvidia/AMD GPU

[hardy mauve]

You'd think it's use the external one

[serene radish]

It's supposed to

[hardy mauve]

Should be able to system restore to get back to the Intel one if you're still seeing a blank screen

Not knowing this was a laptop first off lol

[serene radish]

Maybe the integrated one is to relieve stress off the dedicated one when it's not needed, like when using the desktop

[hardy mauve]

Possible. Never heard of that though.

[serene radish]

I restarted

[hardy mauve]

kk

[serene radish]

The monitor was actually working with the Intel GPU disabled after the restart but the resolution went down and it didn't let me change it

So I switched the Intel back on

There was an update to the Nvidia driver but it was from 2 weeks ago and this problem has been going on since before EW

[hardy mauve]

weird

[potent arrow]

It's common, mux switch/nvdia optimus

[hardy mauve]

Interesting. TIL lol

[latent grotto]

.... its quite common for cpus to have integrated graphics and a laptop can have a dedicated gpu

[boreal surge]

That’s pretty much the explanation.

[hardy mauve]

Yeah I know about iGPUs in a CPU, and a Laptop having it's own GPU, but never both at the same time

[boreal surge]

Eh you’ll get that in gaming laptops.

[latent grotto]

[hardy mauve]

One of those things where no matter how much ya know, you always learn new stuff lol

[hardy mauve]

Never had a gaming laptop lol

[latent grotto]

Alot of intel cpus have integrated graphics except for the ones with f sku

[boreal surge]

I think most modern cpus have a integrated gpu these days. You’d be right about older laptops though i think

[hardy mauve]

I replaced one awhile back in a Samsung AiO desktop that kept locking up the system

[boreal surge]

Aaaaanyway, any luck with your driver?

[latent grotto]

And currently amd cpus with integrated graphics are the ones with G at the end like ryzen 5600g

[hard drift]

not for laptops

[sly elk]

that's more of a norm than an exception really

it goes back many years

except in the late 90s/early-mid 00s they just used a gpu on the motherboard

[hard drift]

pretty much all recent amd cpus for laptops have igpus from U to HX and all inbetween

[sly elk]

my brother's vaio was like that

pentium 166 mmx, the motherboard had an ati 3d rage with like 2mb vram

[latent grotto]

Yea laptop was like h or something?

For mobile

[serene radish]

Yeah I haven't had a PC and have been using laptops exclusively for about 15 years now

[sly elk]

and it obnoxiously didn't have an agp slot because the onboard graphics used agp

[serene radish]

Glad that my question was of some use 😄

[hard drift]

no, idk if they have a dedicated one for with/without as all recent ones u, hx, hs etc have them

[sly elk]

yea most laptops also use integrated graphics

if they don't, sometimes that's a bad thing because the ones with dedicated GPUs usually get awful battery life

[latent grotto]

Yea I was thinking desktop amd cpus

[boreal surge]

Battery life reasons.

[hard drift]

yeah desktop is the only one i can think of that it's cut and dry G has the igpu and the rest don't

[boreal surge]

Alternatively they’re ultrabooks, though idk how accurate that statement is

[sly elk]

like imho anything with less than 4 hours battery life is really annoying to use

especially gaming laptops because they always have these giant ugly power supplies

[serene radish]

I've always had Dell too, no idea if that has anything to do it

[sly elk]

not really, dell has a wide range of laptops

[boreal surge]

Which is why you use them as a movable workstation instead

[latent grotto]

Just dont get a dell or hp desktop pc

[serene radish]

the 13" and 14" that I had didn't have the big power suppliers

[sly elk]

i'm not a huge fan of dell desktops but some can be ok. some. and it varies heavily by model

i wouldn't trust their normal consumer sales department with my credit card lol

[latent grotto]

When you buy a dell and this is what you get for your mobo

[boreal surge]

Yall buy pcs from dell by phone?

[latent grotto]

🚮

[sly elk]

no lol

when i buy stuff from dell it's pretty much only monitors

[serene radish]

I think Alienware laptops are basically dell gaming laptops with a facelift, from what I remember when looking at the specs

[sly elk]

that is often true

[hardy mauve]

Half my stash of PCs are frankensteined from various manufacturers

[sly elk]

their auroras were also just a dell optiflex case with a different skin for quite a while >>

they finally just changed that

[boreal surge]

Does anyone find it annoying how garish gaming laptops are?

[serene radish]

I was always warned that my Dell would explode by so far that hasn't happened yet

[sly elk]

lol

not since the 90s

back then dell had a problem with sony batteries

[latent grotto]

I mean dells aren't known for exploding these days

[hard drift]

people love rgb sadly so it's to be expected but yeah it's annoying

[sly elk]

it was funny because sony themselves sold laptops too and didn't have that problem

[latent grotto]

They're just known for being ovens

And proprietary af

[sly elk]

i've had like 5 different models of dell laptop for work reasons

[hard drift]

now laptops are getting fancy leds on the back of the screen and shit

smh

[sly elk]

the one I liked was the xps 13

it had these really nice hinges

[serene radish]

"Gamer" laptops maybe, but the ones I've had look exactly like the non-gaming models

[sly elk]

have had a set of precision 5xxx laptops that were essentially a rebadged xps 15

the first one was fantastic on paper but I found it a bit annoying to use compared to a macbook pro

[serene radish]

I still don't get why "gamer" stuff gets LEDs in the first place

[hard drift]

because people love the effects...

[sly elk]

second one (still being made since I had it like last year) has a much better screen

[hard drift]

gamers like showing off their shit

[serene radish]

I don't love th effects

just a waste of battery

[hard drift]

yeah but the amount of people that love vs those that don't is huge

[latent grotto]

My cpu so hot my heatsink glows

[boreal surge]

Like I show off my computer to anyone anyway

[sly elk]

in my experience dell laptops have a habit of bloating batteries

[latent grotto]

[sly elk]

this is an issue with every brand of laptop I think

but dells seem really bad about it

[hard drift]

i wonder if the new cpu i plan to get will be that bad probably not though, i'm not cursed like you

[sly elk]

like literally EVERY. SINGLE. COWORKER. had their laptop battery become a spicy pillow

[latent grotto]

Just dont get too many cores i guess

[hard drift]

lol trust me, i am well aware 8 cores is fine for me

most i'd ever consider going is 12

not to mention the 5950x is worse for gaming

[sly elk]

if you do literally anything else while gaming, or have stuff running in the background, it'll probably do better

[hard drift]

yeah but not enough vs a 5900x

unless you're doing a ton of shit

8 cores is more than enough for multitasking

[umbral moss]

yeah, but the best quote I heard about this was from CES... 2018, I think

the journalist went to a vendor loaded with obnoxious fuckbright RGB LEDs and just asked "why?"

[hard drift]

geeze, 2018....

[umbral moss]

the vendor gives him this sad face and is like "it sells"

[hard drift]

yeah

it sucks because it's getting so awful aesthetically but a lot like the lights

[serene radish]

BTW got a recommendation for a good gaming+working laptop?

I'm thinking of getting a new one after 4 years

[sly elk]

I'm sure someone here has recommendations! Unfortunately i'm not that person 😄

[buoyant falcon]

Been having a lot of issues with my thumbprint scanner on my S20 since the last update.

Already had to redo it once, and it's looking like I might have to do so again.

[modern iris]

I would like to eat a spicy pillow pls

[hard drift]

it's pregnant and a new battery will soon be born

[dreamy chasm]

cursed

[jaunty light]

Forbidden pillow

[modern iris]

My Thinkpad batteries are too strong to go haywire like that

THINKPADS ARE IMMORTAL HAHAHA

[umbral moss]

there isn't much compelling evidence to ever use pouch-type cells anymore, especially with the race for increased power density

[sly elk]

lol old thinkpads use li-ion batteries

[umbral moss]

the unstable battery chemistries used in the high current draw batteries is too hot for a pouch type casing

[dreamy chasm]

theyre still going to be bc theyre thin and cheap

[sly elk]

$31 pillow tho lol

[sly elk]

I think this dude literally put their VMs in the cloud

[jaunty light]

Carpet..?

That setup is wack

Is this a film set or something lmao

[sly elk]

somebody's home setup believe it or not lol

hehe this other dude's setup makes me want a thinpad

the buttons look fun to click

but it's just a laptop so whatever

[jaunty light]

HACKERMAN

If your laptop isnt on a gasmount you cant be a real cyber criminal

https://tenor.com/view/hacking-hacking-in-progress-typing-laptop-gif-17684697

[potent arrow]

https://i.redd.it/mi1qv4lctdi81.jpg

[foggy island]

Rip, not tech savvy but this happens now

Now it's Black screen of mystery

Oh it's redoing the thing again, send help pls

[jaunty light]

enjoy Dell

[foggy island]

Dell's ok but sometimes it sucks

[lost python]

what kind of crazy madman shipped them like that

[kindred brook]

https://preview.redd.it/p0jwpkkl9ek81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=daf990f207d96dc7896aa4235b18e4d4ad3efb51

[sly elk]

lol

[modern iris]

chiclet keys
fun

[humble cloak]

Question : by chance i came across this page detailing " the best settings for the Nvidia control panel "

https://bitrebels.com/technology/nvidia-control-panel-settings-guide-best-performance/

Are these settings worth changing or is it just bull ?

[strange verge]

Is there any wireless mmo mice That have a third shift button like the G600?

[dreamy chasm]

I just stick to defaults unless I know I have something I need to override

[paper tusk]

it's a good way to explain driver level settings but i wouldn't take too much stock in the recommendations. it doesnt really explain why something is supposed to increase playability (like limiting prerendered frames reduces display lag but increases the possibility of micro stutters)

or some of the crap like "preferred refresh rate" which is way overthinking "set to what the monitor spec is or something like half/72hz for 144 hz display"

also some of the more odd optimizations like disabling hdcp

[dull garnet]

I would only touch those settings if a game forces my hand

[umbral moss]

honestly, if you're deep in the guts of the driver trying to squeeze 0.002% more performance from the driver optimizations, you're well below the "you must be this tall to ride" height

[sullen maple]

yo guys I want to add more ram to my pc, it seems that too many apps freezes it a bit, and that's annoying but i'm not sure what ram to take, I have Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz, what can I add to match these ?

[modest moss]

what are you running that 16gb isn't enough?

[hard drift]

have you kept and eye on cpu utilization and such when apps are freezing and seeing what might be taking up resources?

[late basalt]

Wonder if it’s more likely the cpu or storage being the bottleneck

[hard drift]

yeah that's why i was checking what the readings are

[late basalt]

16gb isn’t easy to bloat unless you’re doing rendering n shit like that

[hard drift]

16gb is usually fine

[late basalt]

I game with 16 so....

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[umbral moss]

lots of tabs in a browser

rip system memory

[late basalt]

I usually have 15 tabs open while gaming too

Half of those media tabs of some sort