but like the doorbell i bought is just like.. the box probably cost $20
#technology-discussion
sly elk
i don't have the use case for a poe switch anyway
cerulean talon
But I've got a half-dozen devices on the floor we don't need at the moment. xD
sly elk
at least not a proper "24 port $1000 poe switch in the closet"
odd sand
They can charge that much bc they know they have people locked into the ecosystem that like the convenience
sly elk
and the people who buy those to run security cameras on are dummies anyway
cerulean talon
Cameras are the big one for us, and the wufwall (dream wall) has 12 POE jacks.
sly elk
security cameras don't need a 10gbe switch
cerulean talon
The other use case is the doorbells. xD
Oh, and AP's
The 2.5gbit AP's are why we got the 2.5gbit POE switches.
cerulean talon
The fact the dream wall doesn't have 2.5gbit POE annoys me.
odd sand
Mikrotik makes good stuff for a reasonable price, but doesn't have the fancy unifi software so...
cerulean talon
I seriously considered TP link, Cisco, and a few others
sly elk
i don't remember them costing that much a week ago lol
cerulean talon
Software was a huge one for me, because people /other/ than me have to maintain the network.
odd sand
Yes
odd sand
I've never done it, but theoretically that's what it means.
How well that works? I dunno.
cerulean talon
Aggregation is the term on a unifi switch.
It doesn't.
Hold on, trying to find the right switch. xD
So, this is our core 10gig switch, in order:
1 - Roomies 10 gig agg
2 - My Office
3/4 - Agg to the NAS
5/6 - Agg to the second NAS
7 - NVR
8 - Uplink to the dream wall/internet.
Aggregation in this case, is LACP, which requires both switch and client side support (Either side being off kills the entire connection), and is the /usual/ support method for bridging in linux (Windows got rid of bridging)
What's important with these types of agg/bridge is that they provide a virtual connection that's the aggregation of the ports connected in this manner, HOWEVER, the way it does this is by switching based on source/dest IP/Port which NIC is being used, so any individual connection is limited to line-rate for the connection.
So if you have 1 stream going on a 2x10 LACP LAG you can get 10gbit max, but if you have 2 streams going you /might/ get 20gbit, if your receivers can handle it.
One of the big reasons we LAG the NAS' is that they're linked together (iscsi on a bunch of ports) + it means that my roomie and I can both pull 10gbit from them if we need.
It's a little hard to get it setup originally
When you get there, lemme know, because the intel stuff is kinda wild to get working on linux.
That's the easy part.
The intel drivers for ARC are SUPER hard.
No reason for SLOG.
Or really L2ARC tbh in that config.
It took me about a week to get the ARC working properly
I wonder how expensive.
OOOF.
Also, why truenas?
Just slap on debian or something?
Oh.
That's fair.
SATADOM (64GB) - Dedicated boot device for the TrueNAS SCALE operating system
NVME (1 x 2TB) - Use as L2ARC, SLOG is useless
NVME (1 x 2TB) - I use mine as a dedicated cache device for downloads and things that need to write/extract (split file download re-assembly)
HDDs (8 x 2TB 7200RPM) - RAID-Z2
That's what I'd do with your drive layout.
Not sure what I'd do w/ the SSD's yet.
Maybe more L2ARC.
But depending on how much RAM you've got, L2ARC might not be useful.
Your array is only effectively 10-ish TB, and a good L2ARC hit rate would be found in RAM probally
Yeah, screw using any L2ARC boost.
cerulean talon
You'll have a hundred gig in L2ARC ram and be fine.
L2ARC is only really good for small files anyway.
Still not useful.
L2ARC is only useful if you read the same file multiple times without change between cache wipes.
Optane doesn't quite work like that.
Passthrough optane requires full support from the motherboard (Most don't btw), so they expose as two seperate block devices (RAM/Persistent)
Lots of boards support "optane", but they don't properly support passthrough.
Also, raiding it together is fucking awful for it's performance.
Optane is REALLY REALLY good for databases.
Aaaand not much else.
Also, optane doesn't auctually have the same write-guarentees as nvdimms.
odd sand
I assume if it was actually very useful, Intel wouldn't have dropped the tech recently, and from what I heard, it was never popular.
cerulean talon
It's very, very hard to use well, and doesn't really compete with NVMes.
Or even U3 connections.
IMO, optane's best use was as a writeback cache, or as a DB storage medium where the DRAM could shine as a high speed option for confirming small writes.
But the lack of a permamant "This will always be written" made it hard for both of those usecases.
NVDIMM's won that, because they have auctual supercap/battery backups for the sticks.
At the end of the day though, with NVMe's being so hilariously cheap and requiring /no/ special support from the processor, motherboard, or literally anything else, they're a simpler option with latencies that, while they're not DRAM, are more than fast enough for the usecases that these systems were designed for.
NVMe's tend to have better TBW available.
Lemme check my screenie hstory
Artica's down rn, so I can't check locally...
odd sand
I assume if they're at least TLC they'll be fine enough
I don't think even enterprise grade these days is MLC anymore let alone SLC
cerulean talon
A fair bit of time the caches are these days.
But the enterprise doesn't really care any more.
TLC's stable enough.
odd sand
QLC is stinky and now I hear talk of PLC as well, which is madness given how bad QLC without dram cache is...
cerulean talon
351 layer QLC is out now.
odd sand
PLC sounds like it would have the durability of CDRW 
cerulean talon
Can't wait to see it,.
Oh found it
Here, have some real-life NVME NAS abuse in ZFS caches.
Those were my raid-0 array of NVMes on my NAS.
Amusingly, they're also WD blacks.
You want high TBW, and SSD's just don't cut it IMO.
Mine does a ton of automated downloads.
Those downloaders ask "Where do I put your incomplete files?"
That's where they go.
odd sand
And then they trickle into the actual HDDs over time?
cerulean talon
Pretty much.
odd sand
My friend is looking to build a new NAS either this winter or next year. Maybe I should tell him to add some nvmes for cache as well. He was saying they have WD Red 12TBs on sale for $200 USD atm, so he was considering it. His existing one is like 10yo at this point and only 16tb total. I think he's had at least 1 if not 2 drives fail in that time as well.
cerulean talon
Depends on what they want to do with it.
odd sand
vscode-server is what lets you run vscode in a browser remotely right?
cerulean talon
My nas serves:
Automated downloaders (10-ish of them)
Automated transcoding (GPU accelerated, and network shared)
Emby
Samba (Windows network shares)
NFS (Shocking, I know)
Tailscale
My other NAS servers SMB/NFS/iSCSI, then most other big network services live on other boxes on the network calling to/from the NAS>
cerulean talon
My friend is looking to build a new NAS either this winter or next year. Maybe I...
Tbh, by and large, most NAS' don't really need much in the cache department depending on what they're hosting. If your average file size is, say... over 100Mb, caching isn't gonna do much for you.
odd sand
That would be the case. He mostly uses it for an anime archive and downloading files from a seedbox
cerulean talon
Yeah, no real reason then.
I'm working on a similar project as my main NAS is auctually too large to load on some devices.
So I'm working on fixing the main NAS, then building a second, smaller one that contains only stuff for me, and probally retiring a bit of other hardware on the way.
Also, for 200-ish a pop, if they have a mostly-modern NAS, I'd suggest they just pick up some used enterprise WD's in the 16-20Tb range, and just raid em a bit high.
WD enterprises don't like straight-up consumer gear, but I've had good luck with them in my qnap as well as my homebuild.
exos are okay.
odd sand
My head kinda spins at all the drive lines there are these days from seemingly the same company
cerulean talon
Eh, it mostly boils down to a few things in the end.
Recording Technology
Warranty
Weird addons that help some specific business lines
xD
odd sand
Like why are there still new drives labeled for HGST, Hitachi, Seagate etc. if aren't they all owned by the same company now?
cerulean talon
No
HGST/Hitachi are the same company, Seagate is seperate, WD is seperate still.
SSD's/NVMe's are way worse, because there's only like 3-4 companies that auctually make the parts. xD
odd sand
Looked up a wiki: So apparently Hitachi was what was IBM's HDD division, then WD bought them but let HGST spin off as a separate company with the Hitachi patents, and now they still compete with each other in the enterprise HDD market... that's what was confusing to me
cerulean talon
Ah yeah.
Hitachi pushed hard for the helium drives, and made big strides there in enterprise years ago.
odd sand
Oh the other confusing thing to me was WD owned HGST and then had versions of the same drive labeled WD and HGST, but they were separate from the labeling of WD Golds
cerulean talon
Tbh, Seagate is probally my favourite ones of the lot of them.
They make some CRAZY hard-drives
odd sand
So WD was selling the same drives under 3 different names. Or something.
Seagate is the original HDD manufacturer, so I guess that makes sense.
cerulean talon
IBM is the original*
odd sand
I assume they fixed their reliability issues?
odd sand
Bc I know for awhile there Seagate was dinged for making shitty drives
cerulean talon
There was FireCuda, which was a hybrid SSD/HDD, then you've got the dual-actuator set drives (Which is auctually a current product)
Someone over there realized that if you ship two seperate sets of read/write heads in a single 3.5" disk, wired them to two seperate controllers, you could auctually saturate the SATA bus with spinning disks.
Which is hilarious.
FireCuda was a step-transition towards SSD's being normal in 2.5" form factors.
No way in hell.
Okay, HGST I could see.
Hitachi I can't. xD
Who else is out there these days. Tons of white labels from WD and the like.
Sigh, I think it's gonna be another "Get an eatx board and slap it in some case" I really wish there was some better options there. ;.;
odd sand
IBM is the original*
I was remembering a video I watched wrong. It was the guy who helped invent the 8 inch floppy disk for IBM who eventually left and formed his own company ... Seagate... to make the first 5.25" HDDs for home PCs.
cerulean talon
That sounds about right. xD
IBM, much like Ma Bell helped to spawn tons of companies that took parts of their ideas and ran with them.
odd sand
I remember as a very little kid, visiting a neighbor and his dad had a PC in the early 80s with a spindle of what looked like CDs except they were metal discs.
Was that some sort of funky early CD/HDD hybrid tech?
cerulean talon
It was probally a hard-drive, unless he opened it up in front of you.
odd sand
Xerox PARC as well
cerulean talon
Even then, drives back then were pretty easy to clean and maintain compared to today. xD
odd sand
I mean it was literally a spindle of approximately CD-sized metal disks stacked on top of each other sitting on the table.
cerulean talon
Yeah, I know.
That's what a hard-drive used to look like. xD
You could remove the entire spindle of disks and put in a new one.
odd sand
OIC
cerulean talon
Dad had the platter of a much larger one.
I think his was an 8 or 10" platter, and you could literally take the drive casing off the drive, and swap platters on the spindle while it was off. xD
odd sand
Sounds about right. I was going to say it was at least 6 inches tall
cerulean talon
To be /perfectly/ fair, you can still do that now, but you really need a proper clean-room for it because of how close the heads are.
Dunno if you've ever taken apart a 3.5 before.
But the construction on the spindle, is just metal spacers (Which look like amazing rings admittedly), then silver platters, then repeat to the top.
odd sand
Why do tech companies have to make their product stack as confusing as possible these days?
cerulean talon
?
odd sand
"Standards" as well like USB
cerulean talon
I mean, USB is an /excellent/ standard.
What's not great is the physical connector spec in the standard.
odd sand
eg: Intel changing their CPU naming to be gibberish, USB being so fragmented you can't guarantee any cable will work for your needs at a glance, Seagate and WD making 17 flavors of HDD now
cerulean talon
There's also stuff that's not /obvious/ in USB standards that make it hard.
Oh, the HDD stuff is easy, but that's because there's so much tech inside of them at different levels. xD
potent arrow
HDD is pretty easy imo
odd sand
WD at least you can understand the reds are the NAS ones, but then Seagate has Ironwolfs and Ironwolf Pros...
potent arrow
but uh I think I might be server pipped
odd sand
But then you have the purples which are supposedly for camera footage, but you think that would be overlapping with NAS
cerulean talon
At smaller sizes, all the lines are /about/ the same.
No, NAS and cameras have very different usage patters.
odd sand
Barracuda used to mean 15krpm drives, now it's apparently the slowest (5400rpm) for Seagate 🤷♀️
odd sand
Then there is Skyhawk and SkyhawkAI ... whatever the fuck that means
cerulean talon
High def camera recording drives.
odd sand
What does "Compute" even mean for the Barracudas. Just enterprise warm storage?
cerulean talon
That's the current push towards playing with compute-on-storage I'd assume.
Or you mean their "compute faster" claim?
odd sand
Then you have Exos 7E10 ... which can be a 2TB drive but also a 10TB drive. And an Exos 7E10 Enterprise drive, also not referring to the storage size. Which is separate from Exos Enterprise X18 ... but there is also Exos X18 ... neither of which refer to storage size once again, etc.
cerulean talon
HDD is pretty easy imo
Also, don't forget to see what IOM's are in that thing.
Yeah, no idea what they were going for w/ the X thing tbh.
cerulean talon
At this point I just slap enterprise into everything that's a hard-drive and keep some cheap replacements around for when they fail.
odd sand
WD Red -- WD Red Plus -- WD Red Pro... 
cerulean talon
Even at my workload levels, I rarely do enough transfer on a hard-drive for any of the naming to matter.
odd sand
yeah I don't feel like messing around with umpteen TB of data failing, so I also simply buy enterprise drives.
odd sand
I had a pair of 1TB RE4 drives for like 8 years, then I bought an 8TB WD Gold He drive
cerulean talon
Nothing I can't replace over time, just annoying.
odd sand
Oh geezus, what happened? Rattled them all to death in the truck?
cerulean talon
impala@artica ~ zpool status -c vendor,model,size
pool: tank
state: DEGRADED
status: One or more devices could not be used because the label is missing or
invalid. Sufficient replicas exist for the pool to continue
functioning in a degraded state.
action: Replace the device using 'zpool replace'.
see: https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/msg/ZFS-8000-4J
scan: scrub repaired 0B in 1 days 12:30:34 with 0 errors on Mon Oct 14 12:54:36 2024
config:
NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM vendor model size
tank DEGRADED 0 0 0
raidz1-0 DEGRADED 0 0 0
sdj ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA WDC WUH721414ALE604 12.7T
10064911670612994301 FAULTED 0 0 0 was /dev/sdh1 ATA WDC WUH721414ALE604 12.7T
sda ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA WDC WUH721414ALE604 12.7T
sdf ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA WDC WUH721414ALE604 12.7T
raidz1-1 DEGRADED 0 0 0
sdh ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native ATA WDC WUH721414ALE604 12.7T
sdi ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native ATA WDC WUH721414ALE604 12.7T
sdg ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 4096B native ATA ST14000NM001G-2KJ103 12.7T
11015596679038889438 FAULTED 0 0 0 was /dev/sdl1 ATA OOS14000G 12.7T
raidz1-2 ONLINE 0 0 0
sdk ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA OOS14000G 12.7T
sdm ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA OOS14000G 12.7T
sdn ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA OOS14000G 12.7T
sdl ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA OOS14000G 12.7T
raidz1-3 ONLINE 0 0 0
sdd ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA TOSHIBA HDWG180 7.3T
sde ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA TOSHIBA HDWG180 7.3T
sdb ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA TOSHIBA HDWG180 7.3T
sdc ONLINE 0 0 0 ATA TOSHIBA HDWG180 7.3T
cache
nvme3n1 ONLINE 0 0 0 - Sabrent SB-RKT4P-2TB 1.8T
errors: No known data errors
impala@artica ~
That's how she came up after the move.
Not awful overall tbh, but SDJ started throwing read/write errors (no checksums), then A/F faulted for like 5 minutes which shot that entire raidz to death.
It wants to rebuild it, because it's got 3 "valid" drives.
But I can't work out which bay is sdh or sdl yet, so I need to get in and manually pull each one without anything trying to touch the stupid drives.
odd sand
Then you have WD Gold, which is their enterprise class drives, but also "Ultrastar DC data center drives" with completely separate branding from the rest of their product stack. Which I assume is because those are in reality the HGST tech stack they rebadged.
cerulean talon
Enterprise is usually aimed at desktop, not DC.
DC rated drives have less constraints around noise (They're not quiet), and heat output (They're not cold)
xD
odd sand
So WD Gold by enterprise basically means "Enterprise (Workstation)"?
cerulean talon
Seagate ironwolf is /only/ useful IMO if you have a NAS that supports it.
Yes.
Even then, if you do, it's kinda jank:
The top 5 are all IW drives, as you can see by their models.
But 2 of them won't register the IW support.
xD
odd sand
Then to be extra confusing would be if they have Ultrastar DC drives that are also DC powered /s
cerulean talon
Welllll, they are, but not the way you’re thinking
The dc drives have an extra pin that needs to be dealt with
Servers do kinda naturally, but desktops and cheap nas don’t
odd sand
I would have assumed they would be SAS as well, but nope they're SATA
odd sand
I see Synology drives and squint at that and google "are synology hard drives rebadged" and YUP ... rebadged Seagate and WD drives they charge a huge markup for for all the fools that want to buy into their ecosystem lol
cerulean talon
"fools" "corporate enterprises that like single source vendors"
Look at dell, sheeeeesh.
Synology's also been trying to get into the SAN game forever, and there, you /always/ have your own brand of tested, certified, white-labeled drives.
odd sand
Oh nm they do make variants of the drives for SAS
cerulean talon
Oh yeah, I'd be shocked if they didn't.
There's not nearly as much call for the extended SAS commands, but some things still use em.
odd sand
Oh, they also apparently have Exos X24 branded drives that similar to WD, also don't have the same color branding as the rest of their stack:
https://www.newegg.com/p/1Z4-002P-02K47
cerulean talon
laughs
Love hard-drives. xD
I wonder if I should just use the giant 60 bay DAS I've got.
It's so fucking loud, but I wonder if that'd be a problem where it'd live.
odd sand
lmao okay so you wanna know the difference between the X drives?
cerulean talon
Sure.
odd sand
Release year. That's it.
x24 24tb - released 2023 - all x24s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
x22 22tb - released 2022 - all x22s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
x20 20tb - released 2021 - all x20s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
x18 18tb - released 2020 - all x18s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
x16 16tb - release 2019 - all x16s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
x14 14tb - released 2018 - all x14s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
x12 12tb - released 2017, all x12s are identical inside, lower sizes have disabled head(s)
cerulean talon
I mean, those also match their sizes no?
odd sand
I guess it is nice to know if you have a newer or older drive. I assume those Exos 7E10s then are from like 2016 or 2015 then
Matches their MAX capacity I guess.
cerulean talon
I mean, yes, that's how they're sold. xD
odd sand
odd sand
I assume they make it basically impossible to reflash the drives to re-enable the disabled heads?
Makes sense, because depending on the platter sizes, making certain capacities would be impossible unless they're also arbitrarily defining the capacity per platter
cerulean talon
?
odd sand
Nm I guess they already do that
cerulean talon
What size wouldn't be posssible? xD
odd sand
Bc X24s are 2.4TB per platter with 10 platters and it's not like the advertise a 19.2TB drive
cerulean talon
Looks like the x24's are only avaialbe in 12, 16, 20, and 24
So yeah, either having them write at lower desnity or just limiting it in firmware.
Tbh, their power draw is better than I expected these days.
Hrm.
odd sand
this site is claiming Exos drives are NAS drives meant for a tier above Ironwolf Pros... uhh... that seems odd
considering they then have Exos Enterprise badged ones as well
odd sand
Why have 4 tiers all for NAS? I would have assumed the Exos were your enterprise drives then similar to WD Gold vs Ultrastar
Also apparently data recovery is included in IW Pro, but only optional for Exos despite the Exos having like 60% higher MTBF
cerulean talon
Well, I hit on some of it early, IW is for consumer devices (Which is why they have the fancy monitoring software) Exo's take it to the next level with DC standard features (Helium fill, more warranties, probally better TBW/MTBF)
No enterprise would ever use seagates data recovery.
odd sand
Speaking of helium filled. Me and my roommate the time both got WD Gold 8TB drives and mine was almost always quiet, but his would frequently make a lot of noise like it was caching stuff even when his PC wasn't doing anything
Identical indexing settings
cerulean talon
That's just the drive going bad.
odd sand
Oh hmm... well it was doing that basically from the start lol
And he's had it for 3-4 years now and it's still working so... yay?
cerulean talon
Hard-drives can go bad for a very, very long time without failing. xD
Also, if it was just caching stuff, you'd never hear it.
odd sand
Guess I should have looked into that more closely early on when it was still under warranty.
cerulean talon
It'd be interesting to know what kind of sound it is, but if it's 3 years in it's probally fine.
odd sand
Based on what you said and thinking about it now, I'd say it was the sound of the read heads flicking in and out.
But it also had a bit of the oldschool data writing sound when you write a lot of data to the HDD
cerulean talon
Same sound in general, the heads are one and the same.
odd sand
So maybe it was dumping the cache to the drive repeatedly and resetting the read heads or something? I dunno
Well it would be a rhythmic sound like tick tick... tick tick... tick tick... tick tick-ticktick. Then go silent.
cerulean talon
Yeah, probally the heads moving in and out (That's what I'd expect), but yeah, I'd had that replaced if I heard that on a new drive.
odd sand
It says 5yr limited warranty, so he might be able to RMA it still
Although unless they cross-ship, that's a lot of data to try to offload somewhere
cerulean talon
8Tb?
odd sand
Yeah
cerulean talon
Tbh, good time either to do some cleanup, or consider a NAS for backing up to.
odd sand
But yes, the helium-filled are nice. You basically never hear it unless you're writing multiple gbs at once and even then its barely audible unless you really listen for it.
cerulean talon
Gotta keep those heads tight to the platters. xD
odd sand
On a sidenote, I find it funny the ppl that bitch about game sizes from a storage pov on PC. The only thing I can guess is they're on a laptop that only comes with a 1TB drive or something.
cerulean talon
I completely get it tbh.
If you're not on steam, they're already annoying to move, steam doesn't /always/ work, and re-downloading isn't always an option (Like for me these days).
odd sand
When you can get a 4TB 7200rpm HDD for like $120 these days, I fail to see the issue. Just archive your old games on the HDD and keep the current ones on the SSD
cerulean talon
Yeah, but people don't know how to /do/ that.
odd sand
Then fscking google it. I don't know half the stuff I do/know 1min before googling it
cerulean talon
I mean, yes, but no.
odd sand
But I get it -- you're a wizard at work for "knowing things" you googled
cerulean talon
IMO, steam should do it better for most people, it can easily tell how fast your disks are, and personally, I think during the installs, it should pop up "Hey! You haven't played X in awhile, can we archive it for this" or "X runs fine on a slower disk, would you like to shove it there for your new game?"
Even past that though, a modern build rarely contains more than a single NVMe, much less a hard-drive, expecting people to install one is kinda ehhhhh in my books.
odd sand
Most have at least 2 M2 slots, so they could install a 2nd one even. 2TB nvme is like $150 these days or less?
Even the PS5 advertises the user serviceable M2 slot for more storage
cerulean talon
That I won't disagree with, but it only holds the issue off at best.
Plus, I still don't really expect a user to know how to rate what games need to go where, etc.
I'd really prefer steam to have developers put on a "Runs best on drives of x" somewhere to automate the entire thing.
odd sand
Most games on the rec specs page will say if it requires SSD
cerulean talon
A NVMe is a SSD.
There is a distinct difference in "I need a SATA SSD over a HDD" and "I need a NVMe SSD" xD
odd sand
But even the PS5 claiming it only accepts 5gbs you can run it just fine on the 3.5gbps ones, even Ratchet and Clank
cerulean talon
Probally gen 4 vs gen 3 memes.
odd sand
I'm not aware of any games that even recommend an nvme ssd to date. Merely SSD (SATA) vs HDD
cerulean talon
COD does in general I think.
The correct answer of course is to auctually properly design your game to use streaming assets well. >:3
Then it doesn't matter much at all.
odd sand
Sorry, they can't hear you over the sound of all the money they're making even while phoning it in
Same shit with Pokemon
cerulean talon
Truth, I'll cry into my piles of weird crypto tokens that'll never make money.
odd sand
Record sales every new title despite it looking like a 20yo MMO
cerulean talon
I picked up... violet? the other day, and hadn't played from the time of yellow.
It was not the same game and I was a tad sad.
odd sand
I got Sw/Sh to play with niece and nephew and it was dogshit
Story even for a kids game was so half-baked
Literally all actions happen offscreen before you get there. Every time.
Other than the occasional not-team-rocket challenges to you periodically
cerulean talon
Time for team mole, digging a hole again.
inland mauve
ye swsh was bad even for pokemon standards
even the unique mechanic was shit
the gym leader battles were supposed to be these epic showdowns but gigantimaxing was such a boring mechanic
terastalizing in sv is a lot more interesting bc of how it fucks with types
sly elk
Love hard-drives. xD
i haven't used a hard drive in so long o_O
sly elk
huh wtf i just noticed the wiring on my headphones is falling apart
dire viper
@sly elk I just noticed after sitting behind a 911 cabrio but they have stripes in the actual soft top lmao
potent arrow
Finally an episode on the guy who wants to die the most
oooooooooooooooooo
sly elk
maybe i should put slightly larger tires on my jeep
sly elk
well one option that might be more sensible
dire viper
Less rolling resistance meaning quicker and better mpg
sly elk
is to use michellin ltx tires
dire viper
Actually just a less wide tire
hazy frost
He dailies a S2K
Atl u got the F22C in NA lmao
sly elk
the ltx is a lot better on road apparently
hazy frost
Driving the ones here daily would be even worse
sly elk
but rather useless off road
sly elk
also if we want to get really really stupid
dire viper
Honda doesn’t make parts for those engines anymore :)
sly elk
ko3s aren't currently available with white letters on most sizes 😦
hazy frost
I wouldn’t wanna drive it daily
dire viper
The S2K has NSX syndrome where they just refuse to make parts for them
So used part market is ungodly expensive
dire viper
NSX kinda is
sly elk
hmm
dire viper
The parts bin stuff no
But everything that’s NSX specific is very expensive and not made anymore
sly elk
hmm
dire viper
Want the little screen that covers the engine?
Costs a few grand
Because it wasn’t standard equipment and Honda didn’t think to make stock for it
sly elk
sly elk
i wonder if s2k thefts have gone down since fewer people have the civics that people would want to steal the seats/engine/etc to put inside of
dire viper
Nah S2K’s get stolen still
sly elk
i recall that being a real problem with the s2k
dire viper
Super easy to scalp with them
Steal one, sell it out east for like 40-50k
Cause like all roadsters they were mostly sold on the west coast
East coast mfs have it bad
all the cool cars are cheap and rust free in Cali
Like I might sell my E46 and fly out and buy an E36 in Cali
Seen some M3’s for really good price
4 door E36 m3 is so peak
sly elk
hmm the 285/70r17 c load rating weighs 57lbs, e rating weighs 56lbs.. wait what?!
i thought people were getting the lower load rating because they were lighter
dire viper
Is it a Kevlar tire
sly elk
no idea 😄
sly elk
goodyear advertises kevlar sidewalls in theirs
dire viper
Can have giant tires weigh 30lbs and Kevlar ones push 60lbs same size
sly elk
with a giant ugly emblem lol
that's interesting
there's a toyo sl rated tire that weighs 47lbs
hazy frost
But everything that’s NSX specific is very expensive and not made anymore
U can get OEM spec stuff not from Honda tho
How many people with older cars actually buy stuff from manufacturers if it’s not under warranty lol
It’s more money for the same thing usually
sly elk
the 315 tires weigh 70lbs LOL
so adding almost 20lbs of weight. oh geez that would suck.
i'm not really that sure why this is as popular as it is
dire viper
How many people with older cars actually buy stuff from manufacturers if it’s no...
Well for BMW’s and Toyota’s, the OE and a lot of OEM stuff is still cheap and easily available
Nissan also
Nissan still sells RB26 long blocks
dire viper
i'm not really that sure why this is as popular as it is
The look smh
hazy frost
Nissan has good support for old engines compared to Honda yeah
dire viper
Nissan still sells RB26 long blocks
Mine's in Japan buys like 100+ RB long blocks every year
hazy frost
But it’s not that hard to get parts for most Honda engines still
dire viper
aftermarket is cheap for honda's
its just
the NSX V6 and the F blocks were very limited
hazy frost
People don’t have any issue here
dire viper
NSX V6 was the only DOHC VTEC V6 from Honda until like 2 or 3 years ago
hazy frost
Lots of s2ks owned by people with not a lot of money here
Bc they’re cheap as to buy as well
dire viper
People don’t have any issue here
if money isnt an issue then its not a big issue
sly elk
yea i wonder what going from 52lb->70lb tires does for handling
dire viper
yea i wonder what going from 52lb->70lb tires does for handling
more resistance to turning
hazy frost
if money isnt an issue then its not a big issue
Nah people who own the s2k aren’t rich
dire viper
turn in will feel wack
hazy frost
U can buy an AP1 for like £5k so
dire viper
well yea but thats the UK
hazy frost
They still manage maintenance fine
dire viper
cheapest here for any S2K is like 15k if it doesnt have big issues
but will have issues
25k is the min for no issues high mileage
hazy frost
AP2 is probably closer to 15 USD tbf
But we didn’t get the F22 either
So it’s still just an f20 facelift lol
Which is meh
Might as well get an AP1 cheaper and buy aftermarket extras
dire viper
the S2K is a good car but also not THAT good
its more than a 911 still in the US
like
u can just buy a 997 or 991 for an equally good condition S2K
or hell
a V12 Aston
different kind of car but
equally as cool
hazy frost
its more than a 911 still in the US
Yeah I have friends there who find it insane bc I was thinking of buying an AP1 lol
Old 911 is still quite a lot more here
hazy frost
Early 2000s boxster might be about £5k
dire viper
E90 M3 or 997
hazy frost
Like an s2k
dire viper
kinda deal
and the S2K would be better than the 986 Boxster
for that kind of market yea
S2K all the way
hazy frost
TDC channel does car videos here and got a 350z HR and boxster for <£5k recently
Crazy deals
dire viper
the funny AUdi TT also
hazy frost
Which one
hazy frost
Hm
dire viper
the Quattro Sport has the 1.8 but tuned for more power
dire viper
240PS instead of standard 225PS
hazy frost
The vr6 is rly cool anyway atl u got that
hazy frost
The auto in the first gen is kind of ass tho isn’t it
dire viper
yea its a slush box
potent arrow
meanwhile I'm over here dead set on buying that benz
hazy frost
Idk about the mk2
dire viper
meanwhile I'm over here dead set on buying that benz
which benz
C63 AMG :)
first gen
SOHC V8 supremacy
hazy frost
Idk if an s2k or evo will be cheaper for me to insure lmao
I was debating getting one of them
I can’t afford a hard top e36
dire viper
also fun fact sarah
the Chrysler Crossfire manual is the same housing as the slushbox for the smaller sedans of that era of Mercs
potent arrow
lol the 300 I linked before
hazy frost
The crossfire is a thing of beauty
potent arrow
ooo interesting
dire viper
so u can swap in the manual from a Crossfire into slushbox Mercedes
someone local has an E class thats swapped
potent arrow
Ill dm you the listing
dire viper
its neato
potent arrow
its basically locked in for me
Im getting a huge discount, its not gonna cost me more then the civic LOL
I got the euro car slut seal of approval
potent arrow
oh fuck
Btw my friend is ls swapping a kei rn
I cant wait to rip that into a tire wall
dire viper
yea but consider
dire viper
its why the 2015-2020 Mini Cooper S' are all so fucking stupid fast
potent arrow
would a b48 fit in it
potent arrow
ohhh
hmm...
new yard cart?
wait what
holy shit? LTT doing stuff for the homelab scene?
@cerulean talon pspspsps CC new serverware
not aimed at us
but interesting
dire viper
I will kill linus with rock
hazy frost
I hate Linus and his content half the time I swear they’re just not up to date on hardware
Recommendations I see from them look like they haven’t researched anything since 2020
sly walrus
looks like a wrapper for freenas
liNAS?
potent arrow
seems like they are some sort of angel investor neat
If its kinda...decent it might be easier for people to install truenas
winged fjord
Close friend of mine (not very tech literate) had their computer die recently, they're looking at getting a prebuilt, how's this one look?
https://a.co/d/gmiG3zw
hazy frost
It’s ok, not rly great
16gb of ddr4, old cpu even if it’s an i7 it’s behind the lower end of newer stuff, 600w psu and it’s the 8GB 4060ti rather than the actually decent 16gb one
Best buy have pretty good deals I’d look there
I’ve seen much better for that price there recently
sly elk
oh yea you can do a lot better than that for that kinda money
if you're in no rush, there's this for example
https://www.costco.com/ibuypower-slatemesh-8-gaming-desktop---14th-gen-intel-core-i9-14900f---nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super---windows-11---32gb-ram---2tb-ssd.product.4000291940.html
seems some stores have it in stock, but you have to have a membership to buy it in store
idk about the quality of this one but here's another: https://www.zotacstore.com/us/mek-hero-g3-a7647v2-spider-mantm-across-the-spider-verse-bundle-heatsink-air-cooled
oh crap i just noticed canada
sorry x_X
lol that always gets me!
hazy frost
if you're in no rush, there's this for example
https://www.costco.com/ibuypower...
Is that CAD tho
The one they sent is about $1000 in USD
sly elk
nope, sorry about that
dire viper
could mention sarah and see what she can do for CAD recs
sly elk
yeaa
sly elk
i didn't realize it was cad until i clicked the link for the 2nd time
hazy frost
Or for $100 more I think u can squeeze regular 4070 and a 14400f probably
With Black Friday sale
Or check newegg rn as well
Amazon has 0 good deals tho
winged fjord
I should mention that my friend is Canadian, if that changes anything
hazy frost
Yeah it’s not great even considering
Check best buy and newegg rather than Amazon
Amazon never has good prebuilt deals honestly
I’m on my phone rn so I can’t check websites for Canadian stuff otherwise I’d be more specific
potent arrow
I should mention that my friend is Canadian, if that changes anything
check Canada Computers not Amazon or best buy
especially if you are in Ontario
memory express if you are Alberta or BC
dawn nimbus
yo, looking to pick up a new AM4 cpu because i dont really have the time/money to spare for AM5 rn - is it worth trying to search for a 5800X3D or should i just go for the 5700X3D? i see in xiv specifically the 5700x3d lags behind the 5800x3d by a noticeable margin
^^ gamers nexus shows a 10.7% improvement of fps over the 5700x3d in xiv specifically, the highest change of the games they tested
sharp star
just go for the 57
dawn nimbus
considering that i literally cannot find a 5800x3d rn i might have to lol
still not really sure why amd killed it off though
dire viper
5800X3D stopped having chips binned I thought
And they had a shit ton of left over chips that didn’t qualify for the 5800X3D and those went into the 5700
dawn nimbus
yea i couldnt rlly find any explanations online besides "they make newer stuff now" but i think thats because amd didnt really comment on the matter
hazy frost
yea i couldnt rlly find any explanations online besides "they make newer stuff n...
It doesn’t rly matter anyway the 5700x3d is binned minorly worse than the 5800x3d they’re like 2-5% different in gaming performance
They’re basically same thing but the difference in performance is slightly too big to call it margin of error so it’s ‘worse’
dire viper
https://youtu.be/p6qPk0OerEI?si=vYciQ7ZoP4LP6FZZ new Speeed video
Kyanche better read up
torpid kayak
hm, keyboard battery is interesting 🤔
How to increase battery life of a popular keyboard? Slap in another battery in its reboot version!
there are still seemingly enough space for two more :3
it is like Leyline stacks. You can never have enough 😄
golden stream
hm, keyboard battery is interesting 🤔
How to increase battery life of a popular...
IT IS
Though prob the challenging is just figuring out battery configs
torpid kayak
IT IS
Though prob the challenging is just figuring out battery configs <:haha:24...
when we have battery as big as a coin, every keyboard switch will carry its own battery :3
dire viper
Volvo V60R in Flash Green with an Atacama interior
sly elk
nice
though i think the interior should be blue, too
i'm in a "i want a big mercedes" mood again
the current gen cost too much lol but I like that color
though I generally prefer metallics and also, i would ditch the window tint
that kinda tint belongs on a black car, a white car with black everything, or... a nissan altima
this s450 is more what i'd pay
i wanna know why a genesis g90 is 1" longer and somehow has 5" less rear legroom
what did they dooo
hazy frost
I mean I was never gonna buy much from them given it’s all permanently 100% overpriced now anyway
wraith agate
My current case is NZXT but the next definitely will not be
I still am sore I couldn't find just a plain metal case with mesh front
lost python
was phanteks or fractal too fancy for you?
hazy frost
phanteks quality isnt up there with the old nzxt cases
fractal is but seems to have worse QC somehow
lost python
their old cases maybe but the new ones are fantastic
hazy frost
their old cases maybe but the new ones are fantastic
current ones are better bc the new nzxt ones suck also
lost python
fractal is ass ngl. cheap thin ass metal sheets that rattle like crazy at a premium price
hazy frost
but if u can get the older h5/h7 theyre still nicer
lost python
no phanteks is genuinely good
hazy frost
no phanteks is genuinely good
ive used them and nzxt
definitely not close with nzxt before the most recent ones
lost python
so did i and i still have a p500a right here
hazy frost
the p500a isnt close to how good my h7 is
i do want the p500a but its bc it comes in a black and white colour
lost python
no sharp corners, nothing rattling or lose, plenty of space, everything fits just fine and feels solid. there is nothing i can complain about with that case unlike so many others
hazy frost
the G cases are a bit better now but theyre also cheap so u get what u pay for
wraith agate
was phanteks or fractal too fancy for you?
Too expensive oddly enough
hazy frost
the nicest case u can buy off phanteks is proabbly the XT in terms of how it feels
the G cases are whatever
the nzxt flow cases are a step above but like $10-20 more usually
if u rly want quality u can pay the $100+ lian li want for their cases lol
wraith agate
I have a nzxt flow case actually
wraith agate
An h7 too iirc
wraith agate
Haven't got the new one, this is the old iirc
hazy frost
this is a stupid design
hazy frost
its annoying bc its b igger with more empty space and it doesnt let u get any extra cooling out of it rly
wraith agate
Mine is closer to the ground and still has tiny legs with rubber to stop it from slipping
wraith agate
How do you even take off that front mesh?
wraith agate
I can take it off whenever I want and give it a good old slap to remove dust
Well it seems like the front panel is what the case stands on
hazy frost
the dust filters are pretty good
making myu life much easier
id ont have to clean the inside properly more than o nce a year
wraith agate
Yeppers
hazy frost
Well it seems like the front panel is what the case stands on
there are many things wrong with the new one
wraith agate
My PC is very clean
wraith agate
Yeah I wouldn't
wraith agate
Really my only issue is I don't like RGB stuff so glass panel for me is just an annoyance
hazy frost
this was cool but its like $120 if u find one and worse quality than what i have now
lost python
i just wonder how you can say its worse when you also just said you want to get one, implying you dont actually own one
wraith agate
Well see, we got people review cases all the time
hazy frost
i just wonder how you can say its worse when you also just said you want to get ...
i haveused one but not in that colour or with t his pc
lost python
Well see, we got people review cases all the time
yeah and the phanteks P400/500 etc series was one of the best reviewed ones
hazy frost
and like i said there i d ont rly want that one bc of the case it is but i like the colour
hazy frost
yeah and the phanteks P400/500 etc series was one of the best reviewed ones
4 years ago yeah
lost python
4 years ago yeah
sure and until recently when GN for example changed their testing and wiped old data, it was still up there at the top 
hazy frost
sure and until recently when GN for example changed their testing and wiped old ...
up there at the top for thermals isnt the only thing i care about when i buy a pc case lol
literally any mesh case will do thermally
lost python
no shit
hazy frost
ur getting overly defensive bc its criticism of a product u own
lost python
im getting defensive because its nonsense
hazy frost
sure
phanteks do actually make a good case like i said but its n ot the P or G cases
its the XT pro
lost python
classic tale
night leaf
I guess a 7600x3D it is, then do the jump to a 9800x a few years down the line, when AM5's platform life reaches its end.
dire viper
yeah and the phanteks P400/500 etc series was one of the best reviewed ones
Simplicity is key
Can’t get dinged for marks when you have the bare minimum of marks
lost python
Can’t get dinged for marks when you have the bare minimum of marks
its not like the cases are barebones or anything
hazy frost
I guess a 7600x3D it is, then do the jump to a 9800x a few years down the line, ...
You’ll be able to get another x3d that’s even better towards the end
Maybe some cheaper worse binned ones like the 5700 did
inland mauve
is this deal any good?
I know that the new Samsung SSDs don't exactly have a good reputation
or maybe this one?
hazy frost
What country is it
Netherlands?
They’re both expensive
990 pro is the better of the two but
U can get an nm790 for like €200 for a 4TB one
Or the SN850X 4TB for almost same as the 990 pro
Which is a better ssd than the 990
Nm790 is worse than the 990 but if it’s just for gaming or smth more than good enough
sly elk
fractal is but seems to have worse QC somehow
the fractal stuff i've touched felt like cheap crap though
i always thought those were popular because the styling and the price
but maybe they have better models
potent arrow
depends
their higher stuff is fine
but mid and lower is price
and styling
mid and lower is basically stamped aluminum hell
sly elk
i have never touched a phanteks case but i think it's funny how they put their name all over the place :3
hazy frost
the fractal stuff i've touched felt like cheap crap though
Better than phanteks and newest NZXT stuff
Worse than older NZXT stuff
sly elk
hazy frost
i have never touched a phanteks case but i think it's funny how they put their n...
The XT Pro ultra is a nice case
Availability varies
sly elk
phanteks phanteks phanteks phanteks
hazy frost
Not too much on this one
It’s the cleanest and highest quality least cheap to the touch feeling one
And it has 4 included 140mm fans for like $70-80
sly elk
i own a weird expensive inwin that I am probably not going to replace for a while still.. but if i were to randomly need a computer case right now i'd probably get a lian-li or a hyte? i like fish tanks? idk
or LOL that giant ass coolermaster
hazy frost
Hyte ones are awful
Lian li ones are atl half decent
The shape of the hyte cases defeats the point of having a larger case like that lmao
sly elk
i miss when lian li's whole thing was ALUMINUM
hazy frost
Aren’t their cases still like brushed aluminium looking
For the higher end ones
I can’t remember
sly elk
idk
but they aren't 100% aluminum like the oldschool pc60/70/etc
i'm not surprised though
an empty aluminum case weighs hardly anything
that's not very 'premium' feeling
ha ya know
the powermac g5 case was like that hahahhaha
hazy frost
Highest quality cases rn are lian li or fractals high end stuff
sly elk
a lot of the weight was from the giant heatsinks and the power supply
hazy frost
Below like the $300 ones
sly elk
yuck I am
hazy frost
So much plastic on some cases
sly elk
principally opposed to ever buying anything from fractal though
hazy frost
The finish on old phanteks cases hurts me to look at
hazy frost
principally opposed to ever buying anything from fractal though
I won’t either
There’s not many good brands for cases everyone has like 2/3 half decent models at most
sly elk
i agree about that LOL
hazy frost
Phanteks have one, lian li have a couple, fractal have a couple, be quiet have like 1 maybe 2
sly elk
and i've never seen a brand just make good cases and nothing else
most will occasionally make 1 or 2 good cases and then the rest is crap
hazy frost
Corsair genuinely might be as close as it gets in consistency but the price is horrible
hazy frost
All their cases are decent but they’re like $100 for the 3000D or whatever lmao
sly elk
i liked the latching door
hazy frost
NZXT old cases were on par
sly elk
latching doors are sweet
hazy frost
Old H5/H7 and h510 even tho it kinda sucks
But
Not anymore which is sad
Minimalist aesthetic is hurting pc cases
sly elk
i thought the aesthetic now is WOOD
hazy frost
Trying to make them look clean is removing functionality that would be nice
hazy frost
i thought the aesthetic now is WOOD
It is on Reddit
They think they’re different but
It’s just a different huge trend lmao
Same as the people who do all black and think it’s like unique
sly elk
I JUST TURNED 25 AND NOW I MUST BE MATURE SO I THREW OUT ALL MY TSHIRTS AND BOUGHT POLO SHIRTS AND CHINOS AND A FRACTAL NORTH
hazy frost
It is hard to do something more themed and interesting without doing some significant work yourself
sly elk
LOOK HOW MATURE I AM
hazy frost
The only people with unique builds are SFF people and Custom loop people
Everyone else is just part of wood or RGB or all black or all white
People who do blackout builds will laugh at people for spending more on RGB then spend $300 on a motherboard bc it’s matte black with no other colours or smth
hazy frost
True
sly elk
and lamps with those fake filament bulbs
hazy frost
Lmao
paper tusk
its that time of the month again
but wait, there's more https://twitter.com/GamersNexus/status/1863063576417558793
Twitter
sly elk
also in the rgb world
it was funny when people went all out
right now meta is to get one of those giant photographer lights with the umbrella shade and put iut above your chair
hazy frost
Nicer than most of the stuff people are doing rn imo
The wood aesthetic is so fake with people trying to be mature with the design to me
The RGB stuff felt like people genuinely wanted to do it and just go over the top with it lol
sly elk
ye ye xD
it's ok when you hit 30 you stop caring about looking mature yes bvwahhahahaha
then rgb is back on the menu!
i now have mixed feelings about computer cases hahaha
i like having a nice fun case but also
when you dump a few hundred or more you feel sorry to replace the case later because you're never getting any of that money back ahhahahah
so you stick with it longer than you'd be forced to stick with a cheap case
but real cheap cases are awful lol
sly walrus
I JUST TURNED 25 AND NOW I MUST BE MATURE SO I THREW OUT ALL MY TSHIRTS AND BOUG...
the midlife crisis is supposed to come later
sly elk
lol
got the boxed wine ready to celebrate
ok doing ^ that in a car is fun
doing that in a jeep ... unintentionally... is not fun
hazy frost
ok doing ^ that in a car is fun
doing that in a jeep ... unintentionally... is n...
If ur doing that in a jeep unintentionally ur probably halfway towards death lmao
Driving some jeeps genuinely terrifying with that suspension
sly elk
i was exaggerating by a lot but that's what spawned my 'i need new tires' thought train
it was humid out and the light turned green so i went to make a left turn and my rear end slid out mid-turn
hazy frost
Honestly jeeps especially when I’m not driving have been some of the most terrifying rides I’ve been on lmao
sly elk
like i said i was leaving an intersection so it wasn't that bad but it still caught me by surprise lmao
hazy frost
90% of Jeep owners have death wobble from
sly elk
drove the rest of the way home like granny driving her buick home from church
sly elk
mine only has 11k miles, it's still like new underneath. but the tires are probably like 6 years old so
that combined with humidity and it not raining much lately?
and those all terrain tires aren't really the greatest in wet traction to begin with
hazy frost
I need to replace my tires but I’m still putting it off bc I haven’t bought new wheels yet
sly elk
lol 😄
hazy frost
Not bc they’re worn but whoever had my car put the cheapest tires available on it and they’re like 3 different brands
sly elk
also drifting a car is kinda whatever? It doesn't scare me as much because a sliding car isn't going to flip over as easily
still not ideal because unintended drift can end with a tree or a light post
sly elk
also yea even with the jeep being in as good a shape as a 5 year old jeep can be
the extra ride height
hazy frost
Yeah
Feels bad
My suspension is pretty stiff with the springs I have now and it’s low enough
FWD tho
feels marginally safer than rwd most of the time even tho it’s not rly safer lol
sly elk
no that's the thing right lol
the family cadillac is fwd and when you try to turn too fast you can feel it wanting to understeer
it's like thor's steering wheel lmao
we used to have a 300 (and a 300 before that) and those would oversteer lol 😄
(I'm not surprised the dodge charger/challenger memes are a thing)
i think i find understeer a lot scarier than oversteer
car not turning when I want it to
but i guess it's supposed to be intuitive that you get on the brakes and get your traction back
except when you basically have only ever driven rwd cars lol 😄
hazy frost
i think i find understeer a lot scarier than oversteer
in general yes but when its icy i prefer the understeer lol
sly elk
fair fair
that's robably why american car companies kept making everything fwd
smh i'm surprised they didn't make a fwd mustang
odd sand
and i straightened it into a drift
tbf part of the issue is jeeps have those mud tire treads, so they have less contact than a standard tire
odd sand
but i guess it's supposed to be intuitive that you get on the brakes and get you...
also you're supposed to brake before the turn, not in the turn. if you have to brake in the turn you're already too late
dire viper
^
odd sand
You get taught that pretty quickly if you've played Gran Turismo heh
dire viper
brake hard to soft
odd sand
You either end up in the wall/grass or just learn that your best times happen when you brake into the turn and accelerate through it than any other way.
Was really funny watching my nephew who was 9 at the time use my wheel in Gran Turismo and slide off the road all over the place
Then watch me get on the wheel and run laps and go "How are you doing that?!" heh
odd sand
It almost seems like magic sometimes. You're trying to beat a lap time like 2 dozen times and failing, then suddenly you do 1 thing different and smoke the lap time by like a full second and are like ???
hazy frost
smh i'm surprised they didn't make a fwd mustang
I’m pretty sure they were going to make one or maybe it was smth else similar
sly elk
forgot if the probe is rwd or fwd
yep fwd
Based on the Mazda MX-6 as a sport compact coupe, the Probe was intended to fill the market niche formerly occupied by the Capri in Europe, and it was originally intended to be the fourth generation Ford Mustang in the North American market as a direct competitor with the Acura Integra, Isuzu Impulse, Nissan 200SX, and the Toyota Celica. During that time, Ford's marketing team had deemed that a front-wheel drive platform (borrowed Mazda GD and GE platforms) would have lower costs for production, and also because the platform had been gaining popularity with consumers.
my goodness
if you gave it round headlights it'd look like a deformed 911
hazy frost
Unrelated but this might also be the ugliest 911 design of all time
sly elk
why?
sly elk
i like the clean lines
hazy frost
There’s nothing going on there
sly elk
would look better with a giant wing spoiler xD
i like the current one though
and in this color! :3
hmmmm
hmmmm maybe they looked better with the a-pillar corner mirrors
this always gets me lmao
when they put that little triangle piece of plastic there. .. that was where they used to hang the mirror lol 😄
like the design became cluttered for no good reason
I guess it improves the sight line?
hazy frost
Tbf the 997 might be worse than the 996 so I take back what I said
Bc the 996 gt3 is actually pretty cool
sly elk
i like them all lol
maybe i should get myself one of the old ones while they're still 'cheap'
hazy frost
would look better with a giant wing spoiler xD
The turbo S spoiler is perfect
One of the best looking cars u can buy rn imo
sly elk
that front end is a little bit of a mess with black plastic though xD
hazy frost
I like it
It’s one of the best looking looking modern Porsches
As in water cooled not air cooled
hazy frost
i do like it though
911 turbo models have looked good since forever tbh
I just especially like the current one
sly elk
but if I were to buy a car right this moment and not worry about price it'd be an s-class/a8/7 series ... need something with a nice big back seat that is as far away from me as possible for carrying my brother on his trips lol
but meh
hazy frost
I think the 992.2 GT2RS might be my new favourite when it’s out tho lol
sly elk
i think the best fit would be a w222 but I'm afraid to spend $40k on a 5 year old car and then get hit with a $10k repair bill right off the bat
hazy frost
I love the 991 GT2RS
hazy frost
but if I were to buy a car right this moment and not worry about price it'd be a...
I hate the current A7/8
And tbh most recent years
S class is much nicer
sly elk
with bmw the last-gen 7 series is actually still pretty recent since they stopped making them in 2023?
hazy frost
Yeah
sly elk
i get thta it's not as nice
i kinda don't care about how nice, all 3 are going to be way nicer than our cadillac anyway . probably.
hazy frost
I just think the A8 isn’t a nice car especially for the price tbh
sly elk
i saw a questionable 2018-ish maybach and it was tempting because those are even longer LOL
sly elk
tbh the repair costs on that would probably be even higher. they haven't made a limo car since they discontinued the continental
and the lwb continentals were rare
sly elk
i wouldn't be shocked if it was cheaper to keep the s-class on the road
especially if like
I don't care if fancy stuff works?
hazy frost
Depends on what goes wrong
sly elk
but the air suspension is always the problem with those
the engine/transmission on those should be fine
sly elk
too bad they're too concerned about their image to sell a similar but cheaper model
hazy frost
Atl it keeps them making decent stuff for now
sly elk
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?#listing=400660371/NONE/DEFAULT
from the department of "what could possibly go wrong?"
almost certainly if i go that route I'll go with a lower mileage 2020 s450/550. argh such a dumb waste of money.
dire viper
peak porsche design, do what you can when bankrupt
its kinda cool but the 996 is the blueprint for every 911 after
cause really, they did do a mechanically great design, just needed lots of refinement and better parts chucked at it
911's just got bigger
sly elk
if i cross my eyes a little it starts looking a little like
but nah not really
yea definitely not at all lmao
dire viper
Nose super high on the 86
sly elk
uh huh
dire viper
But that’s cause it has radiators n stuff
Not mid/rear engine
911 has an oil cooler in the nose and then radiators to the left and right in front of the wheel wells
Which is why it got the big holes
sly elk
was resetting some old phones to sell but pulled out my s9 and
that phone was better than I gave it credit for
i wasn't too terribly fond of it because I bought it off my brother after he made a very stupid financial decision and bought 2 of them
but it's very comfortable to hold, somehow after idk how many years the battery still holds a good charge, the camera looks about as good as my other phone cameras, and IT HAS A HEADPHONE JACK
i plugged my headphones in and poweramp started playing music lol.
nice. I miss that.
for as big as the z fold is, I wish they stuck a headphone jack on it
dusty otter
hi looking to get an ultrawide monitor for better immersion and enjoy this game.
is 34" UW enough? or best step it up to 38-39" UW?
using 27" 1440p atm, which will slide over to 2nd monitor (side-by-side)
desk 140cm x 70cm, sit about 70cm away from monitor.
sly elk
oooo that's a good question!
the desk behind me is almost that exact same size (a touch deeper) and has that exact setup.
totally not the best example but
that's a 34" and a 25"
your 27" will be a hair wider but should totally fit
also that's a flat 34", a curved 34" will be a tad narrower and thus give you more desk space
one thing to keep in mind is you won't have room to have your speakers next to your screens
you'd have them under or behind or on stands or something, if you have speakers
hazy frost
hi looking to get an ultrawide monitor for better immersion and enjoy this game....
34” if ur keeping ur old monitor
sly elk
yep! I am in agreement here
hazy frost
38-39 is too big for games in general imo and especially if u want to keep another next to it
sly elk
also worth noting here
hazy frost
Fov starts to get funky sometimes on 38-39” ones vs 34”
sly elk
a 34" 3440x1440 is the same height and dpi as a 27" 2560x1440
so it will match your 27" monitor
sly elk
i can't do vertical monitors LOL
they drive me nuts. if I could, I would
can't stand it though
dusty otter
i can't do vertical monitors LOL
vertical monitors mean top/bottom dual setup? or mean rotating the monitor sorry?
sly elk
rotating
dusty otter
ahh good for reading, but weird for games/ movies content i'd imagine 
sly elk
tbh even for reading they don't really do it for me
because it's not like you read the whole page all at once
and if you're sitting down, especially when you have the monitor off to the side, you wouldn't be able to comfortably read the top of it anyway
it's fine for like, technical documents where you might be referencing a long diagram
dusty otter
anyone know if the curvature for OLED 34" UW matter much?
ie 1800R vs 1000R 34" UW, or any curved oled will do for the 34" UW size?
hazy frost
ahh good for reading, but weird for games/ movies content i'd imagine <:kekw:103...
Yeah I like it for reading requirements or explanations of stuff on the side while I use the main one to actually do the thing I’m meant to be doing
sly elk
anyone know if the curvature for OLED 34" UW matter much?
ie 1800R vs 1000R 34" ...
it doesn't matter much
that monitor i showed in my pic was my first 34"
hazy frost
I prefer less curved monitors overall so whichever u can get that’s least aggressive would be my suggestion
sly elk
I replaced it with an alienware 34" that is 1900R, and tbh it took me a while to get used to it, but then I was used to it
sly elk
i gave that to my mom and now use a samsung 57" that has uh 1000R?
sly elk
mehhhh
on a 34" totally flat is fine though
honestly in some ways I prefer totally flat
the samsungs are weird because they're only curved in the middle
hazy frost
The AW3423DWF is 1800R iirc and I really like that monitor
sly elk
yea
dusty otter
thanks!! i have a much better perspective of what the get now haha
sly elk
i really like the alienware screens