technology-discussion

[signal fable]

How's the general opinion on electric cars recently?

I don't have one but my idea was to change my 2007 Toyota Aygo with an electric car

But first I need to see what my needs are when I need to change my car

[cold yacht]

EV seems chill if you have a home charger

personally ill probably wont get a ev unless i can charge at home

[wraith agate]

I will probably never get one

Not just I can't afford it, but I live on the ninth floor of a ten story building

So no charge at home

[signal fable]

I don't have a home charger obviously but I saw that last year here where I live they put a lot of chargers

[sly elk]

I know a lot of battery packs do that, but I think newer EVs are starting to move away from that. Unfortunately that's a mixed bag when it comes to re-usability. Thing is, when it comes to Priuses and old Teslas, there are refurb people that can take apart the "bunch of AA battery" power packs and replace the non-functioning cells with functioning ones.

The "giant ass laptop battery" style packs are basically disposable, but I imagine they can be designed to be reused

I also think the giant ass hummer EV is really stupid

[modest moss]

my dad is in his 70s and drives an EV, has no home charging but he's happy enough

[cold yacht]

yeah hummer ev is just stupid

[sly elk]

but i think small/midsize car EVs are fine for a lot of use cases, and hybrids are great for a lot of use cases

[cold yacht]

like ill probably get a hybrid but not a full ev

[sly elk]

and really I think it's ok to drive something that isn't appropriate for your use case

[cold yacht]

a PHEV

by the time i got enough cash for a new car EV will probably be a lot more widely adopted

[modest moss]

my dad's is a Renault Zoe, it's tiny

it is a 4 door, barely

[dull garnet]

welp, there it is

[umbral moss]

yeah, because tesla's workmanship is dogwater so they offer you a massive warranty lmao

"I get a 10 year warranty" - dumby who bought a hyundai

[wraith agate]

I heard hyundais are good

I want a Honda Civic but the new one

[potent arrow]

Hyundai and good is not something I want to see in the same sentence

[sly elk]

I wouldn't buy a hyundai/kia unless it was like that rwd one with the v8 or maaaybe the v6

and I think the prices they ask for those are too high

like if you give me the choice between a $50k chrysler 300 with the v8 and a $60k genesis, I'd never buy the genesis

[potent arrow]

I'm very biased but I love my civics, it takes a lot to kill those things

[sly elk]

even if everyone and their mother tells me i'm an idiot for not buying the genesis for just $10k more

but if it were $40k I might consider it

[wraith agate]

I like the new Honda Civic, very angular, will definitely cause lethal internal bleeding if I hit a pedestrian, which isn't the goal ofc

[sly elk]

maybe it is the goal

[wraith agate]

Accidents can happen

[sly elk]

i'd be more willing to believe somebody buying a mazda for that purpose

[potent arrow]

Mazda 3 are perfect for that

[sly elk]

the way the hood sticks out about an inch past the grille

IDK why people keep swooning over mazda

[wraith agate]

Seriously, why did cars go for these more angular, sharp edged shapes?

[potent arrow]

Futuristic

[sly elk]

I think their current cars are hideous

also that cx30 looks like a pain in the ass to get into if you're tall

if you lean forward at all your head will hit the windshield

geez it looks like a pt cruiser with a long hood

[wraith agate]

Oh hey Sarah, I love your banner

[potent arrow]

I kinda wanna cop

[sly elk]

i like that and i like the miata

and the new supra

[potent arrow]

Thwack

[sly elk]

the supra is the only bmw i like lol

I mean i guess there's the mini cooper as well

[wraith agate]

Miata user detected

[potent arrow]

....supra....bmw

[sly elk]

bmw makes some nice cars when they lock their car designers out of the room

[potent arrow]

I sold my neon

[sly elk]

you had a working neon?!

[potent arrow]

So I have 40-50k ish to play with for my new track car

[sly elk]

you had a working neon in 2023?!

[potent arrow]

I've mentioned my track car plenty here

[wraith agate]

Wait Sarah can drive?

[sly elk]

I kinda want to go find a random fresh neon to take to a dodge dealer and film their reaction

they'd be like "holy crap a working neon?!"

[potent arrow]

Lol it's not fresh

It's heavily modified

[sly elk]

but how"?!

[potent arrow]

I've mentioned it's got an old rotary in it, a custom adapted transmission

Running E85, methanol kit...the works

[sly elk]

that 224k mile neon has an auto transmission too o_O

[potent arrow]

Sold it to a shop friend because I blew a turbo

[sly elk]

somehow you made a neon less reliable lol i like it

[potent arrow]

And didn't want to put more money into it

[potent arrow]

Track car, didn't need to go far from a shop

[sly elk]

thhe upside down steering wheel always bugged me

[potent arrow]

The roll bar set up I had costed more then the chassis

I'm having withdrawals rn because I don't have a track car

I do want to get the BRZ, but idk how much tuning I can put into a newer car

So either I can a nice clean BRZ or I do a new project car an hate myself

Was challenged to make my next track car electric too

Dunno how that's gonna work.

[sly elk]

given your record with microwaves and toasters I'd suggest sticking with the brz lol

that or we're gonna hear about your used tesla battery spraying you with coolant

idk

[potent arrow]

I'm still an electrical eng

[sly elk]

did any of your lab projects ever catch on fire?

i should be ashamed of myself for asking that question but idk I almost caught an adc on fire once

[potent arrow]

Not the ones I do for production no

If Im doing work work it's the full proper process with health and safety

Full engineering design flow and all

But personal stuff I just kinda..wing it

[sly elk]

phew 🙂

so you need to do work work when you work on your car

[potent arrow]

Eh

It's a car

If it crashes and burns on the track what can go wrong /s

Luckily because I'm competiting, there are rules I need to adhere too. And the track marshall inspects all our cars

[wide hill]

time to upgrade my PI

the tar.gz is rising

i did tar -czvf

lmao, google play games messed up my directory reading

ah, nvm there is the "used" part that is now sorted instead, now that i updated

[odd sand]

Fuck me, been a series of minor crises today being the last day of the project

Going to be stuck finishing it up going into midnight I think

Nothing like realizing at 5pm your logic underpinning saving data to the database is flawed and will be duplicating entries

I was able to work out an elegant solution without resorting to jank. Also that I WAS able to figure out a solution and not have to be SoL and crawl back to them in the morning unfinished.

I'll leave the admin guide for tomorrow

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mDFtbbEhsM

I remember these fuckin turds

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/satania-satanichia-happy-gif-11987904

[sly elk]

oooo the oneplus folding phone has a slider control on the side for muting alerts

i liiiike

[odd sand]

Yeah, gotta go back to the Slot-A ones that could do like 100% OC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVIysec1vg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRckmpXPH4

Hank can pretend he's cruising down the highway at midnight on a summer night in his 1982 Chevy S-10

[umbral moss]

there's an increasing aftermarket for traction inverters and drop-in battery packs for EV hot rodding/modding

you don't need to go dumpster diving for salvaged tesla drivetrains anymore

[sly elk]

i imagine it's still cheaper lol

[sly elk]

wtf?!

nooooooooooo

[cold yacht]

Ok why try to pop it like a pimple

[graceful pine]

How did that even happen

[sly elk]

tire bubbles happen when the internal structure fails

remember tires are more than just rubber, there's a lot of metal belts and stuff inside holding them in the tire shape

[graceful pine]

I’ve just never even heard of that before

[sly elk]

when the structural bit fails you can have a leak between the layers of rubber and then you get a bubble like that

https://www.jiffylube.com/resource-center/why-is-there-a-bubble-in-my-tire

basically if you keep driving on it, it'll go ka-boom

[odd sand]

I don't think there's anything you can do but get a new tire

Any damage to the sidewall of a tire is GG

[sly elk]

yup

[cold yacht]

Damage tires are scary

https://tenor.com/view/blow-out-tire-gif-9534421

[lost python]

what kinda tv did you buy that eats 400w

2008 plasma tv?

jeezus

i have a 55" miniLED tv that is known for its very high brightness and even with HDR it only goes up to roughly 150W

[graceful pine]

400w

Jesus

[umbral moss]

depends how much power you want, a tesla drivetrain (motor + inverter) is like $15k-ish and probably more now that tesla doesn't just total out cars when they get a ding in the bumper

the reason you had a million of the stupid things in the aftermarket was because tesla just didn't bother to fix any crashed cars, the repair value was too high compared to the insurance value so they just scrapped them for parts

[sly elk]

lol tesla didn't make that decision, the insurance companies did because tesla wouldn't sell the repair shops the parts they needed

and the worst part is that other car companies copied them

they all pull that shit now

"you need a part that we use to make thousands of new cars every day? Nah bruh it's on nationwide backorder for the next 6 months sorry"

[wide hill]

aa why is cloudflare dying

[sly elk]

e s p e c i a l l y if the part is for a warranty repair

[hot shadow]

wtf does this one feel like

it's so weird

weird tactile??? switch lol

[wise jay]

upgrading your telly. Britbong spotted

[signal fable]

Never tried topre switches but for what i understand there basically rubber domes but better

[hot shadow]

i guess that would be interesting to trial those on a numpad lol

or numbers

[signal fable]

because it uses a slider and under the rubber dome there is a spring that hit's the electrocapacitive part of the pcb

rubber dome but better?

i would like to try an hhkb or a realforce but you know im not paying 350 € for a rubber dome

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR7KqCbnjfw

[modest moss]

is that where it's going to be permanently?

[modest moss]

sounds like a standard well planned Ice purchase

I assume it's only NA

and just permanent data harvesting lol

[royal forge]

EXCEPT FOR THE BRITS

OI WHERES YOUR TV LOISENCE

I remember I was stayin at an airbnb and the tv license people showed up

[deep sapphire]

wait

they have people going door to door to harass you over not paying?

[royal forge]

Well, the owner apparently didnt pay

So

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep sapphire]

do you have to pay even if you dont like, have a TV or watch cable

[modest moss]

bro they used to have TV detector vans going round

[royal forge]

Nah

^

[deep sapphire]

TV detector vans

jesus

[modest moss]

with the lie that they could detect your TV

they couldn't

[deep sapphire]

[royal forge]

[modest moss]

you only need a license if you actually watch live TV

[royal forge]

BBC has been a bit eh these days so

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfD8pq6oZhw only british guy I want at my door

[royal forge]

No real loss tbh

[modest moss]

if you just stream it's fine

[deep sapphire]

how much is the license

[modest moss]

idk, lemme look

I think like 10/month

[deep sapphire]

its pretty impressive how much of a ripoff TV is anyway

cable companies here will "lock you in" for a year for like 100 bucks a month

[modest moss]

£159/year

[deep sapphire]

and then after a year they hope you forget to cancel and they will literally charge you triple that rate

[modest moss]

might cancel mine, I don't use it much tbh

[deep sapphire]

might as well

adds up

[cold yacht]

Oioioioioi wots all this about not havin a loicense

[deep sapphire]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-rtx-4090-subject-to-china-export-restrictions-starting-november-17

get ready for the scalping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFuSR4rVWg4

kinda cool but that shit running at like 15FPS lol

[devout pike]

slightly tech related question... anyone an electrical engineer.. or know about the construction of AC electric motors. (not brushless)

[deep sapphire]

not an EE but I know how they operate yeah

[devout pike]

I've got a broken one, and wanna double check exactly how the broken bits were supposed to fit together to replace em.

Think you'd be able to assist?

[deep sapphire]

I can try

is it just a stand alone motor or did it go to something like a power tool

[modest moss]

Sarah is an EE isn't she?

could be worth a ping

[deep sapphire]

@potent arrow

[devout pike]

lemme grab some pictures, one sec.

[potent arrow]

yes

why

I know how AC motors work

Im thinking you are talking about 3 phase?

I wind and build them so I could help with that

[devout pike]

nah not 3 phase.. this is a 120v electric motor for a HVLP paint sprayer.

[potent arrow]

lemme see

[potent arrow]

Lol those brushes are fucked

[devout pike]

yeah....

i was curious how they were attached before gettingfucked

Was it attached directly to the brass fitting with the spring holding tension on it?

[potent arrow]

yes they would

and the brass would be where that groove is

but looks like you fucked that part of the rotor too

[devout pike]

(the brass fittings sat in a plastic mould but i didnt take a picture of it in the mould)

[deep sapphire]

ALL FUCKED

[potent arrow]

I would just throw that motoe out lmfao

[deep sapphire]

file a warranty claim

[potent arrow]

like the arrows I pointed

[deep sapphire]

looks good

did your kit require drilling? I would've figured it'd all be held on with tape lol

ah

[devout pike]

Ok so yeah, makes sense now. The brushes burnt up and detached from the brass fittings.

[potent arrow]

Yeah

that thing is proper fucked lol

[devout pike]

hmm.. dunno, the brushes are fucked, but the fittings themselves still look alright, they just aren't in the plastic mould currently that sits ontop.
Might have a tinker and see if I can attach new brushes at some point..

for now I guess I'm done painting.. >.>

[deep sapphire]

haha wtf

[sly elk]

i'm suddenly reminded of what's going on with this house's furnace and its inducer blower motor

[royal forge]

you fuckin serious?!

FKIN LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HOLY SHIT

HOLY SHIT YOUTUBE

THAT'S FULL CORPO

[lost python]

ye i think its 24$ or something now

per month

[royal forge]

holy fucking shit

holy fucking shit youtube

did they see the other streaming services and go "i can do that"

Dear youtube

the other streaming services PRODUCE their own shows

[real edge]

ublock and shove your ads and your monthly payment up your ass

[lost python]

Why produce your own shit when you can instead promote some random, law breaking girl to steal it for you

[royal forge]

What new drama?

[real edge]

I FOUND ALL OF THE MISSING CABLES FOR MY PSU

https://tenor.com/view/noela-fox-girl-loli-fox-girl-loli-cute-gif-22321598

[kindred brook]

@modest moss officially debt free now dad

I pocket 3k a month now

time for 4090???

MORE DEBT?!

Lol

I think I'll wait for 5090 now

[real edge]

the 4090 price has drastically increased

to the point where its a bad purchase now

its 1800+euro in europe

[kindred brook]

WHAAAAAAAAT

[real edge]

and 1700$+ in the US

[kindred brook]

why would it inrease

[real edge]

blame the US embargo on china for that

[kindred brook]

what the heck is this shit

wow

[real edge]

the 4090 is included in the embargo

https://old.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/17l9itc/nvidia_rushes_geforce_rtx_4090_shipments_to_china/

good news is

a refresh may be coming Q1 2024

we may finally get a 256bit bus 16gb vram 4070 variant, either 4070ti super or 4070super

[kindred brook]

oooo

I got a 3080 TI

ATM

I think just wait for 5k series now

[real edge]

yes

wait for 50 series

I have a 10 series so I will be keeping a close eye on that refresh

the 4070 was disappointing and the 4070ti was shit

and the 4080 was too expensive

[wise jay]

just shell out for a 4090 and dont think about it

[kindred brook]

Lol

[modest moss]

just be aware the 5090 might not be until 2025

[inland mauve]

it will cost four hundred thousand dollars

[lost python]

600w space heater that will require yet another new power connector that surely won't catch fire this time

[cerulean talon]

I tried the 4070ti but ended up breaking down and just getting a 4080. I was hoping the TI would be enough.

[real edge]

did you end up returning it?

[cerulean talon]

Nah, gave it to my roomie who needed an upgrade.

They're not trying to do 4k memes like I am.

[lost python]

pricey

[dull garnet]

Seeing people huffing copium on gpu pricing is funny

I-if I just wait!!

It is funny that the 4090 almost seems like good value for money

[lost python]

its funny how quickly the companies completely fucked up our impression of good vs bad value for a product thanks to covid

[real edge]

personally I am waiting for the refresh cause the existing options suck

[lost python]

literally a week into covid, a high end gpu for 700€ was considered expensive
by the end of it, 1000€ was considered the normal price

and 700€ was one hell of a deal

[dull garnet]

Things changed dramatically

[lost python]

i can still hear the "noo they wouldn't be that shitty. after covid the prices will normalize again, trust me bro" faintly in the distance

[dull garnet]

You're in denial if you can't accept it

I don't like it any more than you do

[real edge]

their sales will also change dramatically

[lost python]

they didnt though

nvidia doubled the prices for their higher end GPUs and people still buy

[kindred brook]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-ptilopsis-interact-operator-gif-24386822

Oh I would need a new gpu

[wise jay]

anything is a good value if you use it enough

[kindred brook]

Er

Psu

For the gpu

[dull garnet]

True

Kinda. Plus the earlier you get a video card the better value it is over time

[wise jay]

ya sweating over an upgrade too long defeats the purpose at some point

[umbral moss]

buy a PC exactly when you need it

[kindred brook]

I got a 48" Oled Monitor that does 120hz

But all my games don't hit stable 120 FPS

#firstworldproblems

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-rosa-diaz-fart-noises-fart-farting-gif-22683456

OLED would be nice if they solved the blue subpixel death issue

QDOLED ostensibly has better lifetimes since all the active pixels are blue, but I think there's still a yellow shift since you don't get true white?

[kindred brook]

EH its fine

its fine

thats what I tell myself

look I'm old

I upgraded from a 27" 4k monitor

[signal fable]

I would really like to change my monitor for a oled but I'm kinda scared of burn in

Mainly because im on pc

[kindred brook]

I haven't had any issues

[signal fable]

I would really like to see more mini led monitors

[kindred brook]

with the LG gaming monitor version

does a screen cleaning

everytime I turn it off

or it goes to sleep mode

[umbral moss]

burn-in isn't a terribly big deal unless it's on 24/7

or like, 20 years old

it's not like CRTs didn't have the same problem 35 years ago

any phosphor-igniting element will degrade over time, them's the rules

[signal fable]

True

[wise jay]

Im sticking with IPS for now but by the next time I get a new main monitor OLED wont worry me at all and will probably be cheap. Theyve gone down a good bit already

[umbral moss]

my issue with OLED is that they haven't resolved the subpixel decay rate to be the same between the colors

[signal fable]

I'm still going to look how's the market since I'm saving for a 1440p build

[umbral moss]

so your monitor slowly gets more yellow over time since the blue pixel dies faster

imagine paying $3500 for a state of the art OLED and by the time your brightness half-life hits you're 600-700K warmer

[signal fable]

I'm waiting for more mini led monitor because I think it's a good compromise

You have really good colours, you don't have black levels like a oled but not as bad as a normal ips monitor

[dull garnet]

OLED aren't that much

[odd sand]

It's a combo of "They can always use that silicon for more AI cards for 4x the price" and AMD having a weak counter to DLSS

With a supporting effort by UE5 being such dogshit performance without hyper optimizing it. Leading to lots of games that would have run fine on UE4 with the level of effort developers make, to almost requiring DLSS for decent fps on UE5.

[lost python]

man even if FSR was better than DLSS, the prices wouldnt be much different because AMD went right up with them

[odd sand]

Mostly, yeah. 7900XTX is a decent card at 950 or w/e

But you saw AMD do that with their CPUs as well. 5000 and 7000 series aren't nearly as good a value as the 3000 was when they were first getting positive press

aka: AMD is a company and companies want to max profits, they are still not your friend, they merely played the underdog role to their benefit while they were down.

[dull garnet]

i can't believe i can't mention a genre of music in star wars

[inland mauve]

what, space rock?

[dull garnet]

Nope

[odd sand]

Don't you love censor bots too aggressive for their own good heh

[lost python]

lol get deleted

[sly elk]

the bot needs a leaderboard indicating who triggers it the most 😄

[sly walrus]

don’t encourage people

[odd sand]

My favorite is when YT links get me bonked

[modest moss]

we will happily fix those

[odd sand]

I know, it's just pretty funny bc it's like walking down the street on a sunny day and getting struck by lightning

[modest moss]

ya, youtube loves an F slur in a video url

[hot shadow]

😔 i thought my new ssd was failing, but no it was actually the cable that was the issue

then in replacing the cable, i found out the gpu latch is broken

wth

[modest moss]

[deep sapphire]

they usually do break

[hot shadow]

;_; i looked at the sata cable and it looked ok too

luckily i had bought a pack of 3 new ones

[dull garnet]

i've had like, og sata power connectors break, never a latch on a gpu cable tho

[cerulean talon]

I got the wrong cables for my new mobo ;.;

[modest moss]

it came with the wrong ones?

[buoyant falcon]

Hey so I have this cousin of mine who is special needs and loves Skyrim. He really wants to get in on the modding scene but doesn't have the money for a gaming PC. He asked me about a Steamdeck, but from what I could find trying to get mods to run on that thing would be very hard for him. At this point I'm recommending that he just gets a low-end gaming laptop, especially given how hold a game Skyrim is, but I'm not too sure what to recommend. Any thoughts?

[dull garnet]

may be difficult considering the steam deck's os isn't windows yeah

[cerulean talon]

No, the specs disagreed between sites, so i ended up ordering the wrong ones. 😄

[cerulean talon]

Offhand, modding a game tends to mow down performance like nothing else, so it's likely that a low-end machine will fall over by the time the modding is all sorted. Supposedly, you can get mods working on the steamdeck, though you may want to do some research.

[buoyant falcon]

What about something in the $500 to $600 range?

[cerulean talon]

Honestly, I haven't built a machine/researched machines in that range in some time, so I'm not gonna be the best to ask.

[buoyant falcon]

Ah yes, I should seek out Buildingway instead!

[odd sand]

I field dress my old motherboard box every time I get new parts, so I have a growing army of SATA cables

Bc every new mobo comes with like 3-4 SATA cables

And with nvme I don't even need them for storage anymore

[hot shadow]

i remember when i bought my first m.2 nvme i didnt have any special screws, i didnt haev the stand lol, it didnt even come with one

i had to buy a kit full of them/other screws and now i have so many

[odd sand]

Weird. Any one I've bought either came with that stuff and/or the motherboard came with them

[cerulean talon]

I've lost so many m.2 screws I had to get a pack.

[odd sand]

I haven't lost any of the screws, but I did have to go out and buy the screwdriver for them bc even a normal tech phillips is too large heh

[cerulean talon]

I've always been super bad about using magnets on my screw drivers, so I usually lose them dropped into the bottom of case or something.

[odd sand]

That's when you get to play one of those puzzle games with the marble in the maze to get it out /s

[sly elk]

my last asus board came in a really sweet box that I stored all the extra cables and screws and stuff in

my msi board came in a less exciting box lol, I haven't put anything in there

stil a nice box though

[sly elk]

they're already selling 14900ks?

https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006603/intel-i9-14900k,-msi-z790-mag-tomahawk-wifi,-gskill-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle

and surprise it works with z790 😮

[dull garnet]

Yeah and they're barely better than 13900k

Benches about 5% better

[sly elk]

so it's an upgrade for someone with like a 9900k 😄

[deep sapphire]

if they are the same price I'd go with the 14900K

probably a more mature process

plus intel has some beta software out that supposedly can optimize the 14th gen in games and looks promissing

[sly elk]

for sure

[deep sapphire]

im sure they are gimping it on purpose so that it only works on 14th gen

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/lisa-su-amd-ryzen-cpu-gif-18741811

but who needs that when you've got ryzen 😄

i hope the 14900k improved on thermals lol

[deep sapphire]

it didnt do anything

its the 6th gen vs 7th gen all over

[dull garnet]

7700K was my last Intel CPU

coincidence I think not

[sly elk]

lol what about 11th gen

[dull garnet]

also 10nm 🤣

[lost python]

huh

https://vxtwitter.com/Tech_Reve/status/1720279974748516729

ray tracing in phone games soon

lmao

[dull garnet]

Just what somebody asked for

[waxen relic]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leaked-PS5-Pro-specifications-updated-to-include-4-GHz-CPU-boost-clock-custom-Sony-tech-for-GPU-and-older-process-node.764265.0.html

[dull garnet]

I dunno about a pro, the main reason that happened last gen was the introduction of 4K displays and the weak cpu

[odd sand]

Back to that 2013-2019 era Intel CPU generations huh

[tulip portal]

@deep sapphire #technology-discussion

[deep sapphire]

@tulip portal #resources

[sly elk]

That’s weird. I’d only pay income tax on profit made from selling something

Like you deduct your purchase price against the sale price

[sly elk]

you also have to sell at least 30k over 4 years...

[lost python]

https://youtu.be/djzOBZUFzTw

[sly elk]

That is normal

We also get taxed on interest income

And capital gains when you realize said gains (eg selling a house for a big profit- though there are exceptions to that)

[frozen bolt]

Man....how much trouble did you guys have updating your BIOS?

This sounds tedious and annoying.

[sly elk]

never had trouble lol

the only thing is the website usually gives you a zip file and you stick it on a usb stick, but they don't make clear whether you should unzip it or just toss it on the usb stick

iirc on mine you have to unzip it and then toss the extracted stuff on the stick

but the motherboard's menu thing makes it clear what version your board has and what the file you select has

[void dove]

nah, bios updates on PCs nowadays is pretty simple.

back in the day it was really annoying

[odd sand]

The only problem I had was bc I used a 128gb thumb drive at first, so even tho it said it was FAT formatted, it was actually EXFAT

So the update would think for like a full minute then fail

Eventually I went out and bought a 32gb one for like $5 I knew would be the size to be properly FAT formatted and then it worked

[void dove]

entirely unnecessary

fat32, has support for larger than 32GB

but windows just doesn't do it if you format in the UI

you could have just formatted that drive in teh command line, or used a 3rd party tool called fat32format

in standard sector size of 512B, fat32 can reach up to 2TB max size

then again, 5$ is 5$, so who cares

[odd sand]

I tried a number of things including using rufus and it wasn't working so yes, after awhile I was tired of the nonsense and just got a preformatted 32gb that way I knew it would work heh

[void dove]

ive got a small box full of USB drives

i never throw any away 😛

so ive got like, 6x 8GB drives, and a couple 16, and another couple 32

[odd sand]

Yeah I have or had a 2gb one for many years but I couldn't find it

[void dove]

they used to get used A LOT

since well, i worked in IT

which is why i had so many

ive even got one very special 2GB one

which you can use a piece of software, to change how it presents itself

as either a removable drive, or a fixed disk

which was amazing back in the win XP days

as booting from USB was Very non-standard, so "removable drives" would just not work on many computers

[sly elk]

my msi motherboard actually came with a usb stick lmao

it kills me how both windows and macos come with real shitty drive partition/formatting tools

[void dove]

yeah, not uncommon nowadays

[sly elk]

like if you remember how to use fdisk or macos' diskutil in the commandline it can go ok but the GUI tools suck so bad lol

[void dove]

diskpart is my friend on windows

[sly elk]

I can fumble my way through whichever one by using the help screen xD

I know what I want, I just don't always remember what the tools call their options 😄

[void dove]

diskpart is one of those windows tools where you run it in cmd, and it opens its own prompt

[odd sand]

Want to ask for a raise by the end of the year so now that my project is finally done, im gonna try booking up to pass a few

[sly elk]

yea I remember

[void dove]

though really nowadays i only really use it during windows install

Shift+F10, get the CMD up

diskpart

[odd sand]

I was like 1 question off passing the windows 101 one, so figured I could take 101 and 102 and sec+ and then knock out the splunk certs I took the classes for this summer at Splunk.conf

[void dove]

list disk
select disk 0
clean

Done

[sly elk]

the other funny thing is sometimes the OS won't let you repartition because it doesn't identify the existing partitions correctly, which is obnoxious

[void dove]

clean drives of all partition data

then install windows on a clean disk, dont even setup partitions, just select the empty drive, click next

windows does the setup for you

EZ

[sly elk]

my favorite thing about windows is when you install windows you need to turn off/remove all the other disks from your system

[void dove]

because i see the UI does fucky things if you dont clean the disk, liek trying to keep old recovery partitions and BS like that

[sly elk]

because it's totally unpredictable where it will try to install its boot loader stuff

[void dove]

yep

it checks what drive the hardware sees as the first disk

which is the problem

[sly elk]

it'll usually zero in on wherever you have grub or whatever else installed and fuck it up for you 😄

drives me u pa fucking wall

[void dove]

ALWAYS, unplug all other disks when installing windows

after that, easy

all works fine

[sly elk]

it's funny because I couldn't blame apple for doing that because it makes sense for them to assume you'd never use something else on a mac (especially an apple silicon one) but.... on a pc? come on man

[void dove]

unless you have some dumb disk with an old boot sector on it

which is fun when you next reboot 😄

and the mobo decides to try boot that one

[odd sand]

I hit that landmine once. It put it somewhere odd or the old one I had from the old OS made it not load properly afterwards. So I had to unplug it and redo the entire process

Bc that was simply faster than trying to edit things

[sly elk]

my very favorite was that weird period in time where you could partition a disk GPT

and then for compatibility reasons, shove an mbr inside it

[void dove]

well gpt does have backup partition tables,

and IS supposed to be compatible

[sly elk]

way back in the early days of intel macs, I remember screwing up my macos partition to the point t wouldn't work, but windows still booted lmao

because the efi could still see the mbr and know to boot windows

it was funny :3

[sly elk]

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=18591

Monoprice, I applaud your audacious use of the word premium for 99 cent earbuds

I remember back in the early 2000s, Kia launched a car they advertised as "The Kia Amanti Premium Sedan"

idk I feel like it's an awfully presumptuous word to use to describe your product yourself. Like, that's a word that you want reviewers and customers to use to describe it. But self-proclaiming premium is weird.

Apple's new M3 Pro chip with a 12-core CPU offers only marginally faster CPU performance compared to the M2 Pro chip with a 12-core CPU, according to a Geekbench 6 result spotted today by Vadim Yuryev, co-host of the YouTube channel Max Tech. This is only a single benchmark result, so further results are needed to ensure accuracy.

that's kinda disappointing

[dull garnet]

Diskpart rocks

I use it on micro sd all the time

Depending on what I'm doing, pi/mister

[deep sapphire]

ur a diskpart

[dull garnet]

[sly elk]

meh.

I personally only trust linux to format/partition things correctly lool

even good ole gparted

I hate the way macos and windows both play the "I only understand what I want to" shit

-pops USB stick with the wrong partition formats on it into a windows machine- -windows completely ignores the usb stick's existence, even in diskmgmt-

actually I gotta say

the version of disk utility apple came out with in the last few years is a total piece of shit

I honestly don't know what happened there but it's just straight up garbage

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-next-generation-gif-8912328

every time I try to do something with it I end up unmounting the disk and looking up the correct things to type in the terminal window to accomplish what i want lmao

[dull garnet]

Yeah I wanted to format a disk ext4 from Windows for my pi recently and that was basically impossible, but I also didn't want to make a gparted disk... In the end I just formatted it ntfs and added the disk to my fstab so it was properly mounted... Pretty needless lol. I could have done something wrong

[sly elk]

it's funny because the gui app is really just a front end for the cli utility

but about 50% of the time you try to do something interesting (more than 1 partition on a disk) in the gui disk utility it will fail badly

sometimes it fails just doing the most basic shit like repartitioning a usb stick with a single volume

god forbid you try to take something with APFS and redo it without APFS 😄

[sly elk]

i think you can do it from wsl

my coworkers do that kinda crap all the time

one of my coworkers is just a straight up "make wsl do things that a real linux machine could by fucking with the registry and windows config" guru

I feel bad when coworkers come to me with WSL questions and I can't help them

[dull garnet]

Oh right, yeah probably

[sly elk]

I just can't. when I had a dell laptop I used linux on it. and I have a mac lol 😄

[rocky lava]

áye, i need some advice. i overclocked my gpu to a stable degree. i stress tested it no crash no problem. but it seems ff didnt quite like that. i crashed way more often then usual now

[lost python]

well then your OC isnt as stable as you thought it was

[dull garnet]

pump the volts

sometimes software just doesn't like overclocks too, had this problem with Overwatch

contemporary hardware is barely worth overclocking, best getting your boost curve dialed in

well, 30 series card. i didn't see much benefit on my 4070 besides lower power draw

[void dove]

just because a benchmark/stress test says the OC is good, doesn't actually mean its good for everything

ff14 seems to not like OCs. why? only SE would know.

the solution for most people is just, dont OC

[rocky lava]

also why would ff14 only use 5 gb of ram

[lost python]

why should it use more?

its a 10 year old game on a 13+ year old engine

[rocky lava]

i got 10 fps tho

[dull garnet]

rip

specs?

[inland mauve]

maybe it's using the wrong GPU

[royal forge]

I forgot i was in tech chat.
"Of course all OCs are crazy"

[rocky lava]

i put the game in ssd with 6GB/s speed

[lost python]

the amount of ram a game uses doesnt really have anything to do with performance though.
try disabling the ingame framelimiter/vsync and the framelimiter for when its in the background and see if that helps

[rocky lava]

already did that

[lost python]

try switching between fullsceen and windowed and check temps of your hardware
also check for gpu utilization in the taskmanager
and remove your OC

[rocky lava]

i checked the temps 35-40 ish on all cores.

ill remove the oc

i restart the game. its now able to use 10 gb ram. havent even touch the settings and the oc

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-jeff-bridges-jeffrey-lebowski-the-dude-stir-gif-4685331

[paper tusk]

14 is a shitter when it comes to gpu overclock. I also suggest keeping that stock and doing uppies on system ram speed to get better minimum frame rates (in limsa or hunts)

(instability is due to cpu reads on vram since the client is a ps3 port with a coat of 64 bit spray paint over it)

[dull garnet]

yeah you shouldn't be getting 10 fps with those specs

[rocky lava]

yea i do hunt trains often. the personal low i got was 7fps

😂

alright ill remove the oc after the shb train cant miss the nuts

thanks for the advice people of tech support

[lost python]

crazy, because even in limsa with mods i dont get more than 3-4gb of ram usage

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, the 3xxx series chips love good RAM speeds, you probally want to do some verificaton on that.

[paper tusk]

yeah I haven't had any problems in hunts with my laptop which is way lower spec so not sure why the low numbers (edit: ddr4 3200)

[modest moss]

I mean, if you're on a hunt train with dozens and dozens of people and you're not limiting effects you'll get super low fps

that's worse than limsa

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/all-aboard-train-choo-choo-express-locomotive-gif-20501901

[paper tusk]

I don't do trains as much as spawning s ranks so the show up varies more. during na degen hours it can get pretty sparse even for current content S

[potent arrow]

@deep sapphire it's time
https://youtu.be/hXzusz_eUy8?si=rI-REZogjkFf9L93

[odd sand]

Why wouldn't you just spin up a Linux VM in Hyper-V then instead?

[deep sapphire]

the adjustable ones

[wide hill]

so nice to just open vscode and the project opens up instantly with wsl starting up

meanwhile if you use a linux vm, you have to use vscode ssh into it

[neon shell]

I’ve always been scared of jack stands

I’m sure you know why

[deep sapphire]

they are perfectly safe just cant use shitty ones

plus throw the tire under the vehicle as well if you are working under it

just in case

[neon shell]

I see

Probably equally a mental thing

[sly elk]

yea use ones from legit brands that are rated higher than you need and use all of them, and then keep a tire there and maybe the jack too

one of the things to watch out for imho is the "this one from harbor freight looks identical to the name brand one! and it's 1/3 the price!"

lol the husky phoning it in

wow that esco

the zsp uses rivets?!

LMAO

like holy fuck dude

I think even someone inexperienced would look at that and feel sus

[paper tusk]

the weird feeling when even the cheapest one with double lock is less likely to kill you than that

[neon shell]

You have a Tesla?

[potent arrow]

God that does not look safe

But hey I'm old school

[sly elk]

he does have a tesla!

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, when you say it doesn't look safe, I can't decide if it's too safe, or not safe enough.

[potent arrow]

Idk, I'm no civil right or anyone good with physics. But how is something that's bipedal be more stable then a traditional quadlegged stand

[wraith agate]

Nothing with two legs is stable

[modest moss]

maybe the long foot is as stable as it needs

[odd sand]

They have 4 directions of bracing, it's just offset. I dunno if that matters for stability or not.

[paper tusk]

as safe as any other lift

you have to be sure it's parked on a step (wording) then can remove air line (in a 2 post lift setting on stops is to prevent damage to the hydraulics)

[neon shell]

based colour choice

beautiful car

[sly elk]

are those like 'official tesla sanctioned jack stands'?

just get hd truck jack stands lol

also was going to say that garage looks amazing

I am also a fan of the blue ^_^

it's my favorite color for cars lol

lol I was joking

as I mentioned, the kind that they use for heavy trucks

also, I think there are lifts/stands that are safe for like, changing wheels

but not necessarily for working under the car

[wraith agate]

Good old crank lift

[odd sand]

That's a good point, I forgot that EVs are heavy af

[sharp star]

finally got my Aeron

It needed tuning but it's good at forcing a proper posture when tuned correctly

ass doesn't hurt as much

[cerulean talon]

So, I've got a quick jack, it's got a hard locking bar, and we've had a car on it continually for the last 3 years no problem.

[odd sand]

Hydraulics have a lot of power

Also the locking bar Codingway mentioned is usually a physical stopper

[neon shell]

Still looks good xD

[sly elk]

as long as it's not connected to the internet

ah but gm radios are connected to the internet 😄

but what they're connected to is another question

[sly elk]

why is it connected to wifi

my panel is connected to ethernet lol 😄

it's a 20 year old DSC panel with one of these hooked up to it 😄 https://www.eyezon.com/evl4.html

[sly elk]

i wonder if you could vlan it and then make that vlan only allow traffic to/from the alarm company

it's weird to think this sorta thing isn't really a thing

but aside from some traffic management on your network which is a good idea, I don't really think the alarm system is a big deal

supposing someone gains access to it, what all can they do? wake you up at 3am by powering the siren? 😄

unless someone gets access to your alarm company and then exploits your alarm system with that info, you're probably ok because they won't know where it is anyway

[sly elk]

I... think I'm starting to feel the crunch of my computer setup taking up too much space in the living room lol

[real edge]

wtf the 5800x3d was released april last year?

how time flies

it doesn't feel like it with how good it is

[dull garnet]

old socket brah

[zinc sluice]

does anyone know how to fix this stupid bug

like i want my preview window

oh

nvm

wow

restarting file explorer works

[void dove]

take it up with Microsoft 😛

[odd sand]

Modern automatics yeah probably

Especially CVTs

https://tenor.com/view/gears-moving-circle-gif-3579320

Aren't they like a dozen or more layers of two-sided gears rotating inside of each other?

[cold yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/polea-gif-12109039

[deep sapphire]

ez

[odd sand]

I can't even tell how many gears that is

[paper tusk]

4 forward

[cold yacht]

I still think transmissions are like the peak of car engineering

[umbral moss]

CVTs are basically just two cones with a V belt

made of shrapnel-embedded fuse

fuck CVT

cheap for OEM, garbage for any application where you have more than 150lb-ft of torque

[deep sapphire]

you know what I learned

Toyota has been using them a lot in their entry level cars

and I havent really hard of any problems

so maybe its just Nissan ones

[umbral moss]

eh, they're quite literally fine as long as you don't put any torque on them

so for like, a corolla base model grocery getter, it's fine

but you wouldn't put one in a corolla GR unless you enjoy grenades

nissan's fatal mistake, as per The Usge, is that they put a fucking CVT on a higher than usual base torque engine (the QR25DE) and the thing is so fucking marginal that if you tune the QR at all it kills the transaxle

[potent arrow]

@deep sapphire

[dull garnet]

lol

[umbral moss]

just a small fire, nothing to worry about

[deep sapphire]

lmao is that a new PC?

I'd be pissed

[potent arrow]

Lmfao I have no idea

[deep sapphire]

this sorta happened to me

back when Phenom II was new

I wanted to upgrade so I bought a new board and a Phenom II X4 955 or w/e and I didnt even realize my case didnt have ground standoffs installed

so I went to put it in and then I saw something go up in smoke and it was my CPU fan controller

sometimes we learn through pain and suffering

[dull garnet]

amd bros...

[umbral moss]

looks like a VHPWR cable so....

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-hyperx-rgb-hyperx-family-hyperx-gaming-gif-17743649

[devout nexus]

i once replaced a mainboard on a printer, fired it up and one of the chips shot out a jet of fire instantly

[potent arrow]

That is not a VHPWR connector at all

[potent arrow]

Nyoooo

[wise jay]

tight ass angle too. Asking for trouble

[deep sapphire]

im glad modern cases come with them installed, I think I had an antec case and I look back and question why the fuck it didnt have them in the first place

[dull garnet]

because pc cases used to be shit

[umbral moss]

The whole device runs on an Ultron OS skin over Android 6.0 with a well-optimized 800-by-480 pixel touchscreen for seamless operation.

it's 2023... why is this thing shipping with android 6

[deep sapphire]

this is true

sharp corners

cable management was non existent

hell I remember when the Corsair 800D came out

and cable management was a feature

we were all like HOLY SHIT

[dull garnet]

i got my dad to take a hole saw to my Antec 900

so i could take advantage of the 2mm of space between the motherboard tray and the right door

[deep sapphire]

THATS THE CASE I HAD

[dull garnet]

everyone did

it was awful

[umbral moss]

oh nah, you guys forgot the best part, the steel chassis with razor blades no deburred edges

[dull garnet]

plus fuckin IDE cables didn't help things

[umbral moss]

if you tried to pick up the case without the side panel on you had a 50% chance of losing a digit

[cold yacht]

Late but I usually hear Toyota usually have the best cvt compared to other companies

But also just fuck Nissan

[dull garnet]

@deep sapphire

creative x-fi fatal1ty sound card 😎

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

just needs a zalman cooler

I dunno if AMD fan mounting is the same as it was back then

but holy shit was that awful

you always felt like you were gonna break something

intel

wasnt much better

[deep sapphire]

at least the stock coolers

LOL

[dull garnet]

7950 GT 😎

i went freezer 7 pro > cnps 9700 led > xigmatek s1283

ran a 50% overclock on that E4400

member the cool Nvidia one

[dull garnet]

the stock cooler screws directly into a backplate but some coolers still use the shitty clip on mount system. the gf's previous cooler was mounted this way before I swapped it out with my old cooler

[deep sapphire]

yeah that clip thing was what I remembered lol

[dull garnet]

there was like no tension on her cooler, felt so bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL_OhZipul8 remember this guy

me and my friend still quote each other this video

[paper tusk]

also the cvt fluid/filter change interval is double what it should be (assuming people ever do it)

[modest moss]

I liked Antec 300 personally

[sharp star]

I remember getting this budget Cooler Master case as my first one back in 2010

then I moved onto a higher-end CM Storm one when the brand still existed

[odd sand]

The dumb thing about that is you know that already happened before and he decided to tempt fate turning it on a 2nd time and lighting it on fire again for the views

Imagine if it burned down the entire case then instead of simply being out a GPU? heh

[modest moss]

I had a Cooler Master case at one point too, it was fine

[odd sand]

That was the "O11 Dynamic" case of like 2008 heh

Then they fell off the face of the earth for case design after that gen

[sharp star]

I vaguely remember Antec

I also vaguely remember that weird obsession with the military/gun aesthetic

I brought it up here a few times

like airport security seeing a gun-themed mobo and then tearing it apart

[modest moss]

Antec are still in business I believe, still making cases and PSUs

[sharp star]

yeah, though they kinda faded from the public eye

[odd sand]

Ooh newegg overhauled the website design for Black Friday deals on ... checks calendar... November 6th.

Looked at what Antec offers now, and I guess the issue probably is their stuff all skews towards the low to mid-range of cases. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007583 1066714949

[modest moss]

yeah I bet it's all okay, just not top tier

[glossy ravine]

Hey y'all. With Black Friday/Cyber Monday right around the corner, a friend of mine was looking into upgrading to a desktop from the laptop that's on it's last legs.

The hard cap is $1,300, They want to play Baulder's Gate 3, Sims 4, and try to get into FFXIV.

Could you put together a PCPartPicker you think would be good? I put one together but getting a second opinion is always good.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2mgjGP

1080p is the target resolution.

[cerulean talon]

I'd suggest raiding https://www.logicalincrements.com/ for a general spec, most of the money these days goes into the GPU's, but if they're ground-upping, I'd suggest considering a 7xxx ryzen at the least to future-proof them if they want to upgrade in the future, the 5xxx is the end of it's line.

[sharp star]

you can "downgrade" the 5600X to a 5600 and get very little performance loss

You pay extra for the X

I'm admittedly biased against NZXT cases so you can get a Lancool 216 for around the same price if that's more their thing

[glossy ravine]

I'm trying my damndest to try to not go over 1k. As they still need to buy a KB+M and a monitor too.

[sharp star]

a 5600 will save you $9 looks like

[sly elk]

this style drives me nuts. Trying to do something interesting but the case itself is still a small rectangular box

[sharp star]

eek

[sly elk]

those always look like they graft an interesting-sh front panel onto a nondescript case box

[glossy ravine]

Ryzen 7s don't come with a stock cooler.

[sharp star]

DeepCool AK400 if you need one

[glossy ravine]

Oh, and I think I should mention that I'm mailing the finished computer to them.

Because they live a few states away

[modest moss]

the first line in Superb on https://www.logicalincrements.com/ looks good tbh, $1122 (don't tell Hank I said AMD GPU)

[glossy ravine]

Ahaha

Thank you ❤️

[modest moss]

it leaves them a bit short for monitor/mouse/kb but black friday coming so shop around

[sly elk]

that's fun. yea a lot of processors don't come with them anymore

i wonder how well those tower coolers ship

you're probably going to want to get an instapak thing to jam in there to hold the cpu cooler and gpu in place when shipping

[odd sand]

Yeah an odd mixture of old case sensibilities with trying to smash some newer ideas into it

[sly elk]

the idea's been around at least 20 years lol

mostly done by raidmax

[deep sapphire]

BRO

I HAD A FUCKIN SHIRT FROM HIM

I WISH I KNEW WHERE IT WENT

it said "unfortunately the motherboard tray is not removable"

[glossy ravine]

That's a whole new anxiety I didn't know existed.

Mailing a computer and hoping the UPS doesn't fucking destroy it.

My major concern would be the GPU, given how expensive it is. Though I suppose I could mail that separately.

[modest moss]

Why don't they order the parts and put it together?

Or just buy a prebuilt?

After you account for packaging and shipping costs, a prebuilt is going to be pretty similar performance

[modest moss]

go for it

[wraith agate]

That's cheating

Also if spending you want, there's always the option to spend it on Piper

[kindred brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68RE0M8zhk

WOW

THIS LEGIT?

[potent arrow]

Buy me gunpla stuff daddy

XING DONG

https://www.mapleairbrushsupplies.com/products/eclipse-cs

Throw your wallet at this :3:3:3:3::3

Jesus

[sly walrus]

nurms is not a tool to be used lightly

[potent arrow]

Mmm now it's my turn to see if my paycheck allows for that airbrush gdi

Lol I'm not buying that rofl

That's worse then what I'm using

I use my airbrush everyday : P

...model kits

Mmm nope should save for a better enclosure

[odd sand]

So are they trying to say their mobile phone specced CPU outperforms the "desktop" M2 Max by 12%?

[kindred brook]

I guess?

[odd sand]

Of course the M3 cpus apple claims are "up to" 30% faster than M2 so

Hmm they have some benchmarks showing it running at 80W so that's clearly not going to be doing that in a phone

[potent arrow]

Twice as expensive lol

I've added the iwata eclipse to my bday list

For now I need to figure out a fume extraction method so I can spray lacquers

[dull garnet]

That's actually crazy

We also quote each over from those stupid french "overclocking" videos

"there is a hole in ze motherboard"

[sly elk]

we must fill it with thermal paste!

[dull garnet]

They might be real, idk

[sly elk]

i'm suddenly reminded of a silly thing about overclocking a mac plus by using an oscillator from a slurpee machine

[dull garnet]

It looked like they were planting small explosives from the amount of fire/damage lol. Those were on Google videos but I think I found them on YouTube later

[sly elk]

idk i thought that was what happened when you tried to extreme OC an AMD chip

or at least, back in the day

they didn't do thermal throttling they just went kaboom

[royal forge]

LMAO

[royal forge]

is that fukken grey primer?!

how the fuck do you use it

because the consistency is so weird

[dull garnet]

Yeah see I've never had a chip without an ihs and temperature safety stuff

[potent arrow]

Black

[royal forge]

ah. good good

the grey is

weird AF

the consistency is different from the usual black or white ones

[potent arrow]

Just spray at lower psi

I never gave issue with grey

For primer I always spray lower psi

And all consistency fucks off

[cerulean talon]

One must always prime seriously.

OH! SARAH. I got my compressor hooked back up, so the house's compressed air network is back online.

Unlimited clean air for airbrushing and computer cleaning.

[royal forge]

Hand held compressor. Cant control psi

[cerulean talon]

Unironically? Get a small compressor with a small tank, and it'll serve you well for dozens of things.

[potent arrow]

Ayeeee

[potent arrow]

Yeah those suck, there's your massive problem there lmfao

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, the hand-helds are fine for non-detail/non-controlled work.

It's just when you want to do fine stuff it sucks.

I keep a beater brush around with a handheld if my roomies want to do anything because they don't respect the nice brushes enough.

[royal forge]

well, what can you do, small place of living, having inconsistent employment locations

[potent arrow]

I mean I've always carried mine around lol

[cerulean talon]

They make small compressors by most air brush companies designed to work with their fittings, I like a small pancake compressor though with a 1gal/4l tank I can tuck under the desk and just use adapters.

Huh, my GPU just crashed turning on a jetbrains app. That's mildly concerning.

Yup, the i915 driver is knacked. That's fun.

[potent arrow]

Fucking jetbrains applications suck

[cerulean talon]

I love em.

Having a 100% standardized coding env for my various languages but with good parsers and debugger integration is 10/10

[potent arrow]

Nano and vscode is all I need

[cerulean talon]

Nano, jetbrains, and obsidian for me.

[lament pine]

I fell and knocked my pc case against concrete, and now my pc shorts our circuit breaker at random times

What recourse do I have to fix it?

From what I understand I could have dislodged something and something is touching something it shouldn't

[cerulean talon]

Check the cables to see if one got sliced.

Anything near an edge is suspect, and the damage would be nearby, the other possibliity is a loose solder joint in the PSU, if you can steal one for a couple hours (exceeding the average circuit breaker pop), it's a good check.

[lament pine]

I fell from the bottom flight of stairs and hit a bottom corner of the case against the concrete walkway

[cerulean talon]

Probally the PSU the, the PSU's /generally/ on the bottom of the case in the "back" corner.

[lament pine]

I replaced the power supply with a different one, but the same shorting issue happens

I'm just not sure where to look/what to do since I'm not pc savvy

[lost python]

did you replace the cables as well when you swapped the psu?

[lament pine]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm

No

Wait yes

[lost python]

ok for the future: many brands arent compatible to cables from other brands

[lament pine]

I had to have a completely different set of cables

[lost python]

alright well then check the other remaining cables, check if anything is loose, like card, cpu cooler, ram etc and check if your motherboard is touching the case somewhere maybe

could also be that some metallic fragment broke off and is now below the motherboard

[wise jay]

ya a grounding post couldve snapped

[lament pine]

My spouse mentioned rebuilding it, I assume just fully debuilding it and making sure there's no debris before rebuilding

[wise jay]

ya itd be a good idea because you could closely inspect everything

[cerulean talon]

Yarp, that'd be the next step imo.

[lost python]

and check every single part for potential damage while rebuilding it

[lament pine]

Yeah we thought replacing the power supply would do it but no

[cerulean talon]

Eh, that's the usual first step.

[lament pine]

This has been lit up however since we've had that thing

[modest moss]

Yeah methodically reseating everything would make sense for the next

[lament pine]

Just all the time

I don't think that's causing the shorts but i also don't think it's supposed to do that

[cerulean talon]

Software controlled, it might be running on the always-on lines tho.

If it wasn't before, but is now, it's possible the mobo itself is damaged, but that'd be odd for a bottom drop uniless the GPU wiggled itself hard or something.

It's the only thing that weighs anything in a build like that.

[lament pine]

Oh the scuffs are on the top at the back 🫠

[lost python]

scuffs or dents?

or both?

[lament pine]

I know he mentioned a corner was dented

One of the thumb screws definitely died

[lost python]

could be that a bit there is bent just enough to make contact with the board. guess you will see more when you take it apart

[lament pine]

I'm hoping that no internals are damaged and maybe just rehousing in a new case would eliminate the issue

[royal forge]

Could just rebuild outside

As in, pop it on a cardboard box

[modest moss]

yeah that's a good test

[potent arrow]

My thoughts would be that you buckled the case enough that it's shorting out on the back of the motherboard

[lament pine]

Is the margin thin enough to do that by denting the corner?

[void dove]

not likely, standoffs are a thing after all

would have to have warped the case pretty bad

[lament pine]

The side profile looks intact, but of course that isn't the end all be all

[potent arrow]

I mean if you pop a rivet or two a panel can fold inwards easily

But really something has to be shorting for it to trip a breaker

LED on motherboard suggestes to me maybe something on the board got knocked loose and the motherboard is in fault mode

[void dove]

something something, read the motherboard manual to see what that light means?

[potent arrow]

Just thinking out loud, I do get a few of these scenarios in my shop

Yep rtfm something something

[void dove]

mobos also have beep codes, IF it has a pc speaker, which many dont

but they cost like 5$, at your local parts place, jaycar for me

[potent arrow]

I course of action would be:
Remove everything and launch it outside the box
Case 1:
It boots, the case is probably shorting it
Case 2:
It doesn't boot and it's probably some internal damage. Then I would test bench all the individual parts :P

[potent arrow]

Yep, the most useful thing in my kit can be a piezo speaker

I wish more mobos had seven segment diag displays

[modest moss]

I know a guy, who absolutely was not this guy (it was this guy) who forgot to use mobo risers on a build once

short city

[void dove]

ive got a few which are like, 20 years old by now, ripped out of old company computers

[modest moss]

thankfully I was able to add them and it was fine

[void dove]

still use them, always put one in my current computer

[void dove]

oof yea ive seen this more often than i like to admit

amateur hour

[modest moss]

it was many years ago

[potent arrow]

There was a period of time where I had many PCs in the shop that were not booting because of this. There was a transition period from integrated stand offs and screw in ones

2015?¿ I think

[void dove]

ive seen "professionals" do some really dumb shit, i dont trust anyone with my PC at all.

[potent arrow]

I don't trust myself lol

I don't work on my own PC and I've been doing this for years

I mean yeah, but I rather not work on my own PC

Pain in the aasssss

[void dove]

yeah a good quality, good size case, does wonders

small cases are nice for Simple builds

[potent arrow]

I like sff

[void dove]

as long as you dont need to change much ever

[potent arrow]

A good challenge and good for me who moves a lot

[void dove]

but once you start adding extra drives, and other stuff, it gets painful

[lament pine]

Oof

[potent arrow]

Small boi

[lament pine]

The thing is that the shorts arent reproducible

[potent arrow]

O

[lament pine]

They just kind of happen

🫠

[potent arrow]

That's.... definitely internal damage

[lament pine]

fuck

But like to what

[potent arrow]

Itself lol

[lament pine]

like which piece 😭

[potent arrow]

Could take just one thing in one of the power stages for example

My bet is always motherboard or cpu

Probably motherboard

They are just chillin

I'm still debating whether I should buy a new airbrush or build a new spray paint booth

...or a new pc

[wise jay]

I wanna eat it

[lament pine]

How can we diagnose if there's damage to a specific part of the build

What reading on that indicates damage?

[potent arrow]

What I would do is:
Memcheck for ram
Run spymark and see if it trips:
if it does check event logs for any indication if its the gpu or cpu
if not, and probally not something you can do but; I would put each individual parts in another system and see if sometihng shorts

Shorts are really annoying to diagnose, even for me who has a full shop for it lol

Especially intermittent ones

[glossy ravine]

Re: build from last night.

I could also give them my current card. I was planning on upgrading anyway to a 6750 XT and the 5600 XT should run Sims, BG3, and XIV just fine all the while saving them 400 USD

[lament pine]

We do have a second build that we could do

[glossy ravine]

Oh? I was looking at the website that was linked and the $1122 was suggesting the afformentioned 6750 XT

[potent arrow]

swap the gpu into the second system