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real edge
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5watt difference

dull garnet
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yeah its not huge, card is a little ugly though vs FE and didn't seem as readily available in the UK so would have been more like 595

real edge
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but ye what you paid is what our cheapest 4070ti costs here in greece, about 700euro

dull garnet
real edge
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im thinking of a 4070 just because it will last comfortably for 4years and once its performance depreciates all the connector shit will be fixed and new, better PSUs with much better standards will have shown up as well

dull garnet
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running mine on an 7 year old psu lol

sly elk
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the mighty GBP is worth more than the USD again?!

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fucking hell

real edge
dull garnet
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the gbp has never been less than the dollar

sly elk
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but for a country where programmers are lucky to make 50k pounds a year....

dull garnet
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in my lifetime anyway

sly elk
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oh yea speed were you the person that had both sennheisers and beyers?

dull garnet
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i miss 2007, when £1 = $2

sly elk
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I was curious how the durability on the sennheisers compare because they're a lot cheaper :3

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at least the hd599 are

dull garnet
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i have only owned dt770, dt880 and hd 6xx

sly elk
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ahh ok

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well how do the hd6xx compare? 😄

dull garnet
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the 599 look more durable than the 6xx lol

sly elk
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the 599 look like a massive expanse of plastic

dull garnet
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beyer are pretty durable but i prefer senn sound. i don't think you can really go wrong

sly elk
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i have dt880 myself, I was recommending them to my brother and noticed the hd599 were a lot cheaper

dull garnet
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dt880 are weirdly cheap in europe now

sly elk
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the hd6xx are 199 on drop

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ya? on amazon.com, the dt880 edition are $178 and the dt990 premium edition are $159 which is ... I suggested he get the 990s lol

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the non-premium ones are about the same price

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for stronger clamping force MiqoteDepressed

dull garnet
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i don't get their naming anymore

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6xx are great but high impedence so don't pair well with certain hardware

sly elk
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yea 250 is good enough :3

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this was worth looking at too because they make 32ohm in the 880 and 990

dull garnet
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was thinking portable use i guess :p

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the hd 560s was the hotness for a bit due to being an easy to drive 6xx alike

potent arrow
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I thought the 6xx had relatively low impedance and are easy to drive

dull garnet
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if you want to consider 300 low

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really depends what they're being plugged into though, my macbook runs them well enough

potent arrow
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They run fine on my phone

sly elk
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yea that's what I've experienced too lol. My 250ohm dt880 are plugged into my elgato wave 3 mic, and can get driven really stupidly loud from it.

I tried plugging into my bro's imac and the result was the same. No issues.

waxen relic
snow cypress
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Cleaned dust off radiator and applied new paste. Still hitting 80 degrees while just playing overwatch

potent arrow
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Something ain't right lmao

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You got proper fan set up in that case? Is that case have any airflow? Lmfao

snow cypress
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Nzxt h510 case
1 rear fan and 1 top fan

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Kraken x53 cpu cooler
Ryzen 7 5800x

potent arrow
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Ergh

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Hmm

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That's not good

modest moss
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Did you double check that temp with hwinfo64

potent arrow
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Also check if you set up the PWM to a curve for the aio

snow cypress
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liquid temp is at 44-45 degrees according to nzxt cam

potent arrow
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uh

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shouldnt that be like 35 at most

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check the pwm cuz it might not be circulating it enough

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well

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fasxt enough

snow cypress
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Went into the bios and changed cpu fan and case fan to full speed

wraith agate
snow cypress
sly elk
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wait are you gaming when you see 45 degree liquid temp?

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or is that at idle?

snow cypress
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Playing OW and its at 43-44

sly elk
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oh ok

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that's not bad

snow cypress
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Don’t know if it helps or not but my room is freezing. (Fan and AC on)

sly elk
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your hwinfo64 numbers also sound fine for playing a game

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what temp does ryzen master report?

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I'd be most willing to believe that, followed by your motherboard's software, followed by hwinfo64 (maybe tied)

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it sounds like the "cpu temp sensor" on your x53 is just flat out wrong lol

snow cypress
sly elk
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weird lol

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but those numbers aren't shocking

compact pine
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personally for that setup that case is awful for it, dfoesnt allow enough airflow for that aio but temps are ok i gess buts its a sliver of air openings 80s on overwatch of all games is bad

snow cypress
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Was thinking of getting the nzxt h9 flow, unless theres a better option (which I know there a probably numerous better options lol)

sly elk
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oh yea, lots

dull garnet
odd sand
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Belated response but oh god is that the original NZXT 510 case and not even the flow one? Yeah those are notorious for no airflow geezus

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There is basically no airflow from the front of the case

lost python
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suffocating your pc basically

snow cypress
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So what case should I be upgrading too, don’t wanna incinerate my pc

sharp star
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generally something that can breathe

wraith agate
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I use the H7 flow

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It is nice

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Plenty of open space

sharp star
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Fractal Torrent if money isn't an issue imo

compact pine
lost python
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phanteks is also pretty good
honestly most cases with a mesh front will probably be fine

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just make sure you check the product page to make sure you can mount your AiO somewhere

dull garnet
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I kinda want a torrent for no reason

compact pine
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LOOL same only cuz my meshing c feels a little small now with the thermals for my 13700k and 3070ti , a little cramped. Mind you I was maxing out at 75c gaming but could be better

snow cypress
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Might go with the phanteks

lost python
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which one?

cold yacht
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I would probably say no to a phanteks eclipse p300

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Just feels too small to build in

lost python
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p400a would be a good choice or alternatively the p500 for a little more space

snow cypress
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odd sand
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The card also features a 96-bit wide bus which is lower than the 128-bit bus featured on the original variant.

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96bit memory bus in 20 and 23 paissasquint

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And yet: If that card really was $150 new... it's probably fine?

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The top cards on steam are like 1060 1660 super and 3050

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So it would provide ppl something new in that pricepoint rather than trusting ebay doesn't ship you a rock for a used card

lost python
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If only

toxic scarab
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@deep sapphire Watch acquired

umbral moss
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$150 for a card slightly faster than a ti4200 is certainly a thing

late basalt
sly elk
dull garnet
odd sand
late basalt
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No thanks

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I’ll run my 1050 into dust before using AMD gpus tbh

odd sand
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AMD cards are only a meme the first year then the drivers are good

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And it's not like that class of card for Nvidia would have good RTX anyways so

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Otherwise roll the dice on a used 3060ti and hope you don't get a rock

toxic scarab
deep sapphire
sly elk
# toxic scarab I got a red one yeah

i ordered a red one and a silver one, couldn't make my mind up in color (or to send them both back and get an ultra 2 instead or something lol)

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(or just keep using my s4)

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(err, fwiw target had the s8 really cheap)

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they still have the cellular ones

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and they seem to always find more stock late at night

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like I am flabbergasted that someone went through all the trouble to come up with this

idle heart
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Do y'all prefer open-back or closed-back headphones for general gaming and music listening?

snow cypress
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Ok changed the radiator fans around and the temp is doing better, probably still not the best but its not going above 70 while idle anymore lol

umbral moss
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will there be 2024 AM5 refreshes?

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or are we set on these launch boards until the 8x00 series drops?

golden stream
lost python
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Open back is pretty much always king, if you're in a silent environment

sly elk
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i like this setup. I wouldn't call it "minimalist" like the poster did though lol.

lost python
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yeah that glass of coke is too much to be minimalist

wise jay
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ya, they need a line of coke for the minimalist feel

void dove
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there maybe one already, you just cant see it because the desk is white 🤣

odd sand
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Elmo hitting the powdered sugar a little hard today

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Save it for the pancakes, friend.

sly elk
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i haven't used a trackball in forever

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i like my setup with the trackpad hehe

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also not sure why people still use 1-piece split keyboards when you can get a true split keyboard nowadays

umbral moss
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like there's no reason you couldn't have an ergo chassis with a high precision trackball

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instead of the traditional flat mouse that you have to supinate your wrist to use

real edge
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trackball in 2023 lul

umbral moss
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what's wrong with a trackball? concernedkeiko

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your thumb has incredibly fine motor control compared to your wrist or elbow

real edge
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I cant imagine aiming in an FPS game with my thumb

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it sounds neat for those with wrist issues tho

umbral moss
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why couldn't you aim with your thumb if you had a proper sensor and trackball surface?

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like, people do it with a damn touch screen

real edge
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idk its just hard to imagine

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im too used to aiming with my hand/wrist

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so flicking my thumb around sounds unusual

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but I would use it if I had carpal tunnel cause its just much easier on my wrist

umbral moss
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I wonder if a laser sensor would work for an XXXTREME GAMEN trackball

real edge
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probably optical

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if I had tons of money I'd legit try that out

umbral moss
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I don't know if optical would work because your thumb is pretty greasy and that sensor will be full of garbo real quick

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like the considered use case is someone who sits in a cube farm at a corporate-approved 19.54C so they're not really sweating into the trackball sensor that much

real edge
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I wash my hands pretty regularly but for the normal GAMUR hmmm

umbral moss
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not even that, even if you're fastidious your meat appendages are just going to leave grease on everything

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fingerprint oil is constant

real edge
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btw when I first saw what you said I thought you meant the mouse that had the ball underneath the mouse instead of a laser/optical sensor

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not the unique mice with a ball to the side

lost python
# sharp star https://youtu.be/jnUCYHvorrk

so tl;dr is:
frametime issues, especially without vsync, which are allegedly fixed in the next version
better generated frame quality and it doesn't destroy the UI
still worse upscaling quality because its still the old FSR 2.2 tech in that regard

umbral moss
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I'd be real down for a trackball aimed at high precision and extremely high edpi

sharp star
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yep basically

dull garnet
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do you ever use high dpi on a mouse tho

lost python
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my default dpi is set to 10.000

dull garnet
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i use 1600 lol

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sensor is rated for 20k

odd sand
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My first time playing Warcraft RTS was with a trackball at my friends house. The experience was less than desired

jaunty nacelle
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my demons are tempting me to get a mac mini

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unsure why

umbral moss
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you don't normally use super high DPI on the mouse because it makes using the mouse basically impossible unless you're in-game

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high edpi goes with the cm/360 metric, if your sensor DPI and cm/360 is fixed you can tune the in-game sens to get where you want to be

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pixel skipping is a thing, kinda, but the odds of that actually mattering to you are basically zero so using game sens as the variable instead of sensor DPI is the more usable strategy

elfin dirge
jaunty nacelle
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honestly I was looking to replace my pc for better desk space

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but I realized my MacBook can serve the same purpose

umbral moss
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I mean, the CPU is the same, so

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the tragedy of the mac mini/studio is that there's no real advantage to them if you have a MBP or MBA

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they're the same internally so you may as well just pay for the screen to go with it

jaunty nacelle
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it's a cool little piece of tech though

umbral moss
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I don't think they could get more performance out if it

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the desktop platform is prime for some super 170W M2 ultra-ultra type thing

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but apple makes no money off that

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the desktop products are vestigial, they offer them because they always offered them

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their real market is iphone and MBP

jaunty nacelle
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the bonus of my air is the screen acts as a second monitor

umbral moss
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yeah

jaunty nacelle
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which is what I use it for in my setup

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I took my pc off my desk and am probably gonna send it home and then just use my laptop

dull garnet
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ever heard of a floor

jaunty nacelle
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I don't use it

upper ice
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iphone 15 pro or samsung galaxy s23 ultra?

dull garnet
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iphone

modest moss
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neither

deep sapphire
modest moss
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save a grand and buy a £200 android

sly elk
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hmm the silver watch arrived. It definitely looks more neutral but I'm not sure I want neutral

sly elk
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watcha think?/

odd sand
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I think if you go with the red you need a different wristband

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the grey/gold works with the white but IMHO not really with the red

dull garnet
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kinda wanna get a metal f-91w

odd sand
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I guess the question is do you want it to stand out on your wrist or not

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I used to wear a watch all the time but stopped during college

dull garnet
odd sand
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Definitely had to in middle and HS bc you only had like 4 mins between classes

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So even 15-20 secs mattered as far as when to close your locker and sprint to class

sly elk
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the money is no object route?

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$350 watch bracelet? haha

sly elk
odd sand
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My dad has a nice metal band like that, but he's had his watch forever

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Probably been wearing it for a good 40-50 years now

sly elk
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i like my mesh band

dull garnet
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do they change how bands mount?

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be good if you could carry them forward when the watch shits the bed in 2 years

sly elk
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they haven't since the start

dull garnet
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hahaha

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apple

sly elk
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there's a rumor they will in the 10th model

sly elk
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it's just REALLY REALLY SLOW

dull garnet
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whats the difference

sly elk
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fwiw they somehow kept the band width (pretty much) the same. So an original 42mm band works on a 45mm watch

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i went series 0 -> 4 -> 8 (if I keep one of those 8s)

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the funny thing is how the screen is noticably larger even though the outer case is only 1mm bigger

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but yea, s0 doesn't have ecg, it has a smaller screen, a far slower processor, it doesn't "tap" like the newer models do (iirc), charges slower, has less ram/storage so again, slower..

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s0 and s1 are also pretty much the same. S2 introduced GPS and better water resistance. S3 introduced a cell modem and the ability to talk (although I think mickey talks on the s0)

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s3->s4 was a huge jump because it changed the case and the screen and the cpu was way faster

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i'd argue s4 was when apple finally figured out how they wanted the watch to work, because the software before the s4's introduction was kinda weird

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in the original apple watch software, the apps ran on the phone and it was kind of a remote desktop/streaming thing

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but the s0 was ALWAYS super duper slow lol

odd sand
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I feel like I'd rather just get a Suunto or something

sly elk
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I've never heard of those before

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looking at their site, it feels like the kinda watch bought by the person who the apple watch ultra owner aspires to be?

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(that's a knock on apple watch owners XD)

stark mulch
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Does anyone here use ICue?

sly elk
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corsair icue? yea? what's up?

stark mulch
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my corsair ram is not showing up anymore...did they change soemthing?

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can only see my pump

sly elk
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do you have any other things like motherboard software running?

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or other rgb control stuff?

stark mulch
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just razer synapse

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for my keyboard

sly elk
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it looks like that goes into more detail but it's pretty much the same lol

stark mulch
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so what...disable synapse and restart?

sly elk
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try it

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sadly at this point, as much as I like using icue, I find it obnoxious how much trouble it has with compatibility and crashing

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so I just use it to set hardware themes and then exit it lol

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you could try something like openrgb

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openrgb has a hideous ui but I love how you can add damn near anything hahaha. even phillips wiz light bulbs can be controlled by it.

stark mulch
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nope still can't find them

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love how it has been working for almost 2 years and then

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rgb is such a pain. Not doing it for my next build lol

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looks like they broke it LOL

umbral moss
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I tried their utility for monitoring the PSU rails and it never fuckin worked

sly elk
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meh I keep using rgb because i like it haha

pastel elk
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If I'm using my phone's hotspot for FFXIV, and on that same phone watch YouTube/Play another online game/Download on it, does the phone itself not count towards hotspot data, only other devices connected to the hotspot use it?

umbral moss
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all data

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the phone is downloading it regardless of where it ultimately ends up

sly elk
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ha that's a good question

umbral moss
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my phone racks up 10+GB per month easy

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most of that is tethering my surface

sly elk
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so I think using data on the phone while hotspot is active doesn't count against the hotspot bucket

umbral moss
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I never used enough data to slam into the throttle limit

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and I've never paid for "hotspot" service, dunno how they'd even know the difference since the phone is the one using the network

pastel elk
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I have unlimited cellular data with 130GB of Hotspot monthly, So I would be playing FFXIV with hotspot on, but didn't know if I could take breaks and game on my phone too while it's on with it using cellular and not hotspot data, or watch youtube at the same time with it using cellular rather than hotspot data. Even Google has a hard time finding the correct version of this question lol

sly elk
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the reason I think this, is because most phones do handle the two things differently - and that lets the phone company know which data is which lol

pastel elk
sly elk
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like when I had a t-mobile plan that didn't have hotspot data, my iphones wouldn't even let me enable hotspot lol 😄 and my android phones would but then i'd end up on a t-mobile walled garden page

pastel elk
sly elk
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i hate how macos steals focus from the keyboard when you get a phonecall lol

celest violet
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Any recommendations for hiding wires for your desktop setup when your desk doesn't have like a back panel to hide them behind. Honestly my biggest pain tbh

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The power cables and everything running up from the floor is pain

sly elk
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you'll need to tie them to the bottom of your desktop. There are cable management trays you can buy

celest violet
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I wonder if there's 3d printed ones since I can print for free at my university

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I am a cheap ass

wise jay
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I mean those trays are super simple. You could also just print hooks that do the same thing together

sly elk
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yup

celest violet
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True, designing an equivalent in solidworks would be easy

sly elk
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although I feel like it'd cost more to 3d print lol

celest violet
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Nah it's billed into my tuition so I have free reign to print

wise jay
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also if its free at your university if they actually care about people wasting material the hooks would be easier to do

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quicker too

celest violet
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My only concern is mounting it to the desk cause tbh idr the material it's made out of and how screwing into it will go tbh

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It's not very thick

wise jay
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3m sticky strips would work. i did that for a controller and headphone holder

celest violet
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That's true

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If wireless shit wasn't so expensive I'd invest in that tbh

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As far as mouse and keyboard cables and what not

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Doesn't help my brain dead self got an rgb headset stand that has a power cable just because rgb

wise jay
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lol

celest violet
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Haven't made the best decisions

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Might just vinyl wrap it and unplug it, although the usb pass through is nice to use for my headset

upper ice
sly elk
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this dude sure likes their super ultrawides

royal forge
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Ahhhhh

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WHY IS MY INTERNET ALWAYS NOT AVAILABLE REE

deep sapphire
sly elk
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noice

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admittedly I think if I were to get a new monitor right now it'd either be an apple studio or a pro display xdr

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because I'm a royal idiot haha

golden stream
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hmmmm I'm having a smol dilemma rn

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should I commit full w11 or dualboot linux?

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the issue is the D drive, can't split between windows and linux as my aim is trying out self host AI playdead

deep sapphire
royal forge
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It happens REGULARLY

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Thats the really pissy bit

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Like holy shit its so annoying

royal forge
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@deep sapphire RM0 unifi: We are still working hard on restoring your unifi service . The new estimated recovery time is 08/10/2023 01:34 AM.Thank you for your patience

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WHY DO I HEAR CLOWN MUSIC

sly elk
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Huh

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There's an isp called unifi? Lol

royal forge
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Well

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Its our local govt ISP

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Called telekom malaysia

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They have fiber cables

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Thats the unifi

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They aren't exactly.. uh... known for their creativity

deep sapphire
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Lmao

neon shell
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Why though

neon shell
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I just realized you joined the server a year ago

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Darn time flies by fast

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That’s why xD

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I’m gonna add you shy_kitty

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Nvm xD

neon shell
sly elk
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everything about that corsair monitor makes me cringe

neon shell
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Also

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2000 fucking dollars

sly elk
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hey I'll buy a $2000 monitor if I think it's worth it

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it's frivolous but I hate when you buy a monitor that expensive and it's a gigantic plastic turd with a nice panel

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(aka samsung odyssey monitors)

neon shell
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Fair

sly elk
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lol the video on mkbhd's home page is legit

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google: We promise 7 years of software updates for the pixel 8!
Marques: OH REALLY? How can we trust you?

neon shell
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lol

sly elk
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but yea why is apple the only company that bothers to make a monitor in a metal chassis? lol

neon shell
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More like, we promise 7 years of minor updates

sly elk
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oh wow the pixel pass thing was a scam lmao

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$45/mo and every 2 years you get a new pixel

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and google killed pixel pass at the 22nd month

real edge
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lol pixel pass

sly elk
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so nobody got the 2nd phone

neon shell
sly elk
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nuh the $45/mo was with a new pixel, youtube premium, google storage, some other crap idk

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but ultimately if you paid $45/mo I don't know that they came out ahead lol

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my bet would be the 7 years of software updates is not 7 years of full OS version updates

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it's hilarious how much shit apple gets for 'planned obsolescence' but nobody does what they do

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but the nyou have what's his name whining about how shitty apple is and how amazing 10 year old thinkpads are

neon shell
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I mean honestly, with most phones if you take care of it properly, it can last you for years. Seems like a waste in that sense to have a subscription

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And the other features aren’t worth that money anyways imo

sly elk
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louis rossman

neon shell
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Oh

sly elk
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love/hate the dude 😄

neon shell
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I usually go to Jerryrigeverything for phone reviews

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He’s pretty good

sly elk
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louis rossman is the dude that always bitches about apple laptops being unserviceable

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and his arguments are indeed fair arguments

deep sapphire
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iPhones are the best

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nvidia is the best

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AMD BTFO

neon shell
sly elk
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I am satisfied enough with my 7800x3d but it is slow to boot when I oc the ram..

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I'll give you that

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I'm pretty sure at ddr5-6000 it actually fails the memory test once and then has to test again before it posts lmao

neon shell
deep sapphire
neon shell
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Good morning atms

sly elk
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^ i think this dude would make a more entertaining ceo

neon shell
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Agree

sly elk
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craig federighi aka hair force one

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he also kinda looks like the fonz

neon shell
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How do you even pronounce that

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Last name

sly elk
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no idea

neon shell
neon shell
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He does flex a bit though xD

sly elk
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one thing that killed the cool vibe though is like

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some random video where they're talking about the ipad trackpad cursor stuff

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i never saw ipads as cool lol

deep sapphire
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android cant even make one decent tablet so you have no competition in that space

sly elk
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i just remember when I was in college one of my classmates was this 50 year old woman who sat in the front row with an ipad in a case like that

neon shell
sly elk
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so I associate ipads with keyboard cases as old people devices

deep sapphire
sly elk
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^ and this stupid commercial

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like damnit kid, you're using a computer! get with the program!

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(and yes, an ipad is definitely a computer)

neon shell
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Yea, imagine not being toxic on Facebook. Get with the program

sly elk
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lol I should'vew actrually watched these keynotes

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the videos are a lot cooler than I thought

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and really silly

neon shell
deep sapphire
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true

sly elk
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I don't remember when people called ipads tablets

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I remember when people called other tablets ipads lmao

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that time when the NFL got a lot of money from microsoft to use Surface tablets in their games

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and the announcers kept calling them ipads lmao

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hahaha here we go, terrible video but

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the news people repeatedly call them ipads lmao

neon shell
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Remember when apple claimed their devices had sapphire in them? While I heard that was technically true, it was very little amount, with majority still being gorilla glass.

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It’s like if you put sand in a container and called it glass

sly elk
#

ah you mean the apple watches? and like random camera lenses?

neon shell
#

Yes

sly elk
#

oh dude that's been a thing forever

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i think that was my first exposrue to such marketing lol

deep sapphire
neon shell
#

Go to sleep Hank

deep sapphire
#

no u

neon shell
#

U no

deep sapphire
#

(~ ̄▽ ̄)~

wise jay
#

The only razor youll ever need

sharp star
#

big fans

sly elk
#

neat gpu power thingy

graceful pine
#

They would have some artificial aluminum oxide

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It’s normal in screen applications as it’s very tough

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Sapphire is a variant of aluminum oxide with trace elements to make it blue

fair parcel
sly walrus
#

hey, look, it’s yuna! yeah!

dull garnet
#

I just realised what kind of marketing kyanche was referring to. Either way, I love sharing that clip lol

odd sand
modest moss
#

@deep sapphire nvidia bros we got a problem

#

!faq ddu

opal pantherBOT
#
How to do a clean reinstall of your drivers

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Step 2: Download the newest driver from your graphics card manufacturers website: AMD and/or Nvidia.

Step 3: Disconnect your internet and restart your PC in safe mode.

Step 4: Run Device Driver Uninstaller and click on 'Clean and Restart' after you select your device type and GPU.

Step 5: After the PC restarts and you are disconnected from the internet, install the drivers you downloaded from Step 2.

Step 6: After you install them, restart your PC one final time and reconnect your internet.

deep sapphire
modest moss
#

maybe ddu will fix it

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who knows

dull garnet
#

I noticed the update process is more thorough via the official method now

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It stops the existing driver and makes you restart before finishing the installation

modest moss
#

at least I still have like 20 months on my gpu warranty

sly elk
#

yea that error doesn't mean your gpu is broken.. unless you suddenly see it a ton of times and it persists past driver reinstall/windows reinstall/trying the gpu in another machine

modest moss
#

yeah just hoping to avoid reinstalling windows, I had an ntoskrnl bsod the other day

deep sapphire
#

@dull garnet

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smh how do they spend 6 years in development and its this bad

modest moss
#

yet another logitech g203 is double clicking on me

sly walrus
#

at this point i’d call that a design feature

sly elk
#

lol

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yea between the razer viper ultimate and that league g pro wireless I... think I'm beginning to like the razer better

modest moss
#

I should maybe just buy a decent office mouse for this pc, I only game with a controller anyway

sly elk
#

maybe

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viper ultimates have optical switches

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I think logitech started doing that as well

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but idk which gaming logitechs have optical switches

potent arrow
modest moss
#

it's likely cheaper for me to just buy a mouse, and I don't game with one

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controller only these days

potent arrow
#

Probably

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Why Razer?

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Looks like a generic cheap POS ngl

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There are like other none Logitech options

modest moss
#

it's cheap, £17.99 open box

modest moss
#

is this worth the extra money if I'm not really gaming with it

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maybe I want a rechargeable mouse that can do both wired and wireless

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I wonder if that exists

wise jay
#

My old g900 was wireless but worked wired too if thats what you mean?

golden stream
# modest moss yet another logitech g203 is double clicking on me

I chat w a JP guy in Elemental (was venue hopping at that time), he complained about the omron switch he ordered and soldered for his mouse was double clicking. I yeeted him a link of omron mouse switches, likely the CN made are prone to double click (which logitech mice using). The JP made one idk tho
then we LMAO'ed about the site said "double clicking heaven" haha

modest moss
#

I'm just, spending averse

void dove
#

stop buying logi-crap 😛

golden stream
#

tfw they're one of the rare silent click on-the-shelf mice maker

void dove
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i got sick of my logitech g400 mice failing, after 2 i went with a Roccat branded mouse

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still have zero issues with it after like 5+ years by now

modest moss
void dove
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id have to check the purchase date

modest moss
#

I ain't dropping a bunch of cash on a mouse I don't game with

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I want something convenient and reliable

west tree
#

what would it be for

void dove
#

it has marks on the sides of mice because i used it so much

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look for another brand then, if logi keeps failing.

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find something affordable

modest moss
#

anyway it's fine, I just remembered I bought this last summer on prime day at a massive discount, brand new in a box somehere; HyperX Pulsefire Raid – Ergonomic – 11-button programmable RGB Gaming Mouse

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I'll just find that when I can be bothered

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it'll probably be fine for a while

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I paid £13 for it so it's whatever

golden stream
#

am not sure about hyperX tho

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should be fine I guess

void dove
#

well they already own it

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never really heard of hyperx mice, but i did the same with my roccat mouse

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i got it in a cheap bundle with a keyboard, just because it was a really good deal

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didn't realise it would be so good

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keyboard ive long since thrown out, but the mouse just wont die

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ill be sad when it does, as ill have to pay like, 125$ to get the current equivalent, so i may try another brand.

golden stream
#

not sure if they have wireless and silent mice switch options tho

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I need le silent aaa

royal forge
void dove
#

feels the same to me, its the same basic shape, which has become fairly popular

void dove
#

trying to find a picture 😛

royal forge
#

No model num? Pien

void dove
#

dis

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you can find the newer models with the same shape on their website

sly elk
#

i went with razer because at the time, I got a good deal on a viper ultimate and it was small and light.. which I prefer

void dove
#

id check reviews for their current models

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but the whole, thumb indent shape, and 2 side buttons, is common in various of their mice

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seems like they're going for pricier stuff nowadays though

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this mouse was cheap back when i got it, current models, not so much

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50$AUD

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pretty good price

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isnt listed on the roccat website as a currrent product

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but shape and buttons are identical to mine so is likely the newer models

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if its the same build quality

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which tbh, it probably is, everything looks identical, just coloured different and the light is different.

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ah apparently the cable is rubber, not the fabric weave my one has, sad.

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i dont like rubber cable, gets stuck in places

royal forge
void dove
#

yea, if this mouse dies imma have to start looking elsewhere for another one like it

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why can't manufacturers just keep good quality, good price models around

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Everyone moves on to fancy, 16 buttons bs

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then the cheap ones, dont have the stuff i actually want

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ALL i want is, that shape, 2 thumb buttons, braided cable, done.

royal forge
#

I just want a nice decent mouse and why thr fuck didnt logi keep production

void dove
#

i know right

royal forge
#

I'll even take wireless

void dove
#

the g400 had its issues, but imo, the newer versions are worse

royal forge
#

Just.. fuckin make more of that

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The double click on the mx518 legen is atrocious

void dove
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its the typical, gamer market, once htey are successful, they push for the high-end

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as there is more margin

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and drop the cheaper stuff

royal forge
#

Sigh

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Logi USED to be quality

void dove
#

perfect example, Roccat has always been fairly small-ish.
but seems they are doing well in the industry

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they currently have NO mice below 99$ on their website

muted spoke
#

I love my roccat savu. going on a decade old, but the RMB is finally starting to die

void dove
#

whereas years ago there were multiple cheaper models

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hence why you can find some on amazon

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to give razor credit, the deathadder is still going, and is that basic shape, 2 side buttons, done

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simple, and its 49$

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corsair has some cheap ones as well

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fuck, one of them is 29$ right now

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at my local

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its on steep discount

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pondering grabbing one and putting it away for when this one dies

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sadly, still no braided cable

sly elk
#

I've only used the viper ultimate, not other razer models

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for sake of comparison, the g pro wireless is also a very cheap feeling mouse. But when you prioritize weight savings, that happens.

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I wouldn't call either of those mice "poorly made"

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ah, but the league of legends paint job was rubbish, it turns out my skin eats the paint lol

cold yacht
#

honestly if i didnt game often on my desktop i probably wouldve bought a vertical mouse

sly elk
#

the problem with those is they're tall and fall over very easily lol

real edge
#

dat vcache advantage

sly elk
#

that's gotta be the only game where this is the case lol

#

I remember a while back, a benchmark that put the 7800x3d in line with a 13600k

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ya know the people who are winning this are the ones who bought an X470 board back in the old days and stuck a 5800x3d on it.

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though I suppose you really need an x570 if you're using a 4090

sly elk
#

so, a 2019 motherboard is still possible to get the 2nd fastest cpu for playing cs2

real edge
sly elk
#

hiii rag and nhadala 🙂 and yea that's awesome!

real edge
#

so there is no real need for an x570 board unless you need the extra features they provide

sly elk
#

either way, point being, if you bought one of those b550 or x570 or whatever years ago, you can still have a top end cpu for gaming, and I love that

real edge
#

and thankfully they included pcie 4.0 in those boards

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that way modern gpus are not bottlenecked

sly elk
#

yea!

neon shell
quartz kindle
#

im going to punch a hole in my laptop

lost python
#

whats the issue?

deep sapphire
#

Notice the AMD drive showing issues but nvidia is fine

royal forge
#

Welp

#

Just lodged a complaint with my telecommunications bureau

#

About my weekly internet outage

real edge
#

good luck rynepat

quartz kindle
lost python
#

yeah dont do it via windows for GPU drivers because windows is only being supplied new drivers a few times per year

dull garnet
#

And I'm still not certain a 4090 will saturate a pcie 3.0 bus

dull garnet
kindred brook
#

or backup keyboard?

modest moss
#

of course I do, doesn't mean I'm happy with them

drowsy badge
#

Something's definitely wrong with my TV and I don't know what to do

kindred brook
#

oh no!

drowsy badge
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Its dim

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And before you ask I've tried everything under the sun

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There's no settings making it dim I've tried everything I factory reset it even

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Here I was just watching a movie on my tablet TV was all right then I looked over and now the TV is dim

dull garnet
wise jay
#

The auto darken setting on my tv was on the fritz so I unplugged it and didnt use it for months and it worked just fine afterwards. Unplug it and leave it alone for few days and try plugging it in. It might fix it

drowsy badge
#

I mean maybe but I've tried everything and I only got one TV

wise jay
#

ya thats unfortunate. Its just a solution I know works from experience. If you unplug it when you go to bed and plug it back in after coming home it might fix it too.

dull garnet
#

is there an energy saving feature? disabling that can disable dimming on certain sets. what brand is the tv

drowsy badge
#

No nothing like that is enabled

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It's not an amazing brand but it's been doing well for the last few years

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Hisense roku

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Looks like if I was going to wear a pair of sunglasses or something

wise jay
#

ya just try to find the time to unplug it and leave it alone for a few hours.

kindred brook
#

I'll only have student loans left by the end of october

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can buy a 5090 next year

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ez pz

wise jay
#

why buy a 5090 next year when you can sell and organ and buy a 4090 this year?

kindred brook
#

lol

drowsy badge
#

My fear is is the backlight is dead

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Like died an hour ago

wise jay
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could be overheating or anything really if you have it on alot or even just plugged in

drowsy badge
#

Well it's been pretty much on every day I've been off for the past 3 years

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I mean I got to go to a family supper later I'll unplug it then but I doubt that's going to do anything

kindred brook
#

I got a 3080 ti

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so I won't see much gains

#

uh

wise jay
drowsy badge
#

Yeah I mean I've done everything I looked for the settings I factory reset it I went through a power cycle I updated the software

kindred brook
drowsy badge
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Which sucks cuz I don't really have the money for a new TV

kindred brook
#

12gb?

drowsy badge
#

I just use my TV for video games so it sucks and it's the only thing I have to play my games

wise jay
#

ya that sucks ass

drowsy badge
#

Well it's not true I don't have another TV but it's a 13-year-old HDTV a cheap one too

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Smallest shit too

modest moss
#

why

drowsy badge
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Does that just happen eventually back lights in TV dying

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And the picture just becoming dark well dim

modest moss
#

build the kiddo a pc and stick her in there

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weeb

wise jay
#

Marin is the hottest sooooooo

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I could never put a figure in my case. I dont want to even think about the possibility of it melting. New case is tinted glass anyway so you wouldnt be able to see inside

odd sand
#

Noodle stopper figure kek

wise jay
#

Ya it shouldnt. Its just an unreasonable fear for me

dull garnet
drowsy badge
#

Well it could be in the process of dying

dull garnet
#

now post your hot spot temperature

wise jay
potent arrow
cold yacht
#

hey hank big fan btw

deep sapphire
#

A lifted off road dodge viper

cold yacht
#

i was at the race track the other day, and chatting with this british bloke who bought himself a 90s chevy corvet with the 409 engine in it that jerry rig a super charger into it and a second radiator into the car

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crazy fellow ngl

deep sapphire
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Lmao based

cold yacht
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car kept overheating after each lap until he strap on another fan into the car

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i didnt bother to ride with him when he did his laps, but apparently he drives to the point the car cant handle him

deep sapphire
cold yacht
#

i think i got a picture of the engine bay

cold yacht
#

@deep sapphire here’s the engine bay

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yeah over heats every lap, he was there for like 7 hours just to shave his lap time down

deep sapphire
#

yeah I could see that struggling with cooling, thats a big engine for that LOL

umbral moss
#

I mean, he's got a super and a turbo in there too?

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that poor radiator sad

cold yacht
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crazy bloke, he's a retired racer for Porsche. He just work at the track as a teacher just so it's cheaper for him to use it apparently

deep sapphire
#

back when intake manifolds were made of metal and looked sexy

cold yacht
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there was a lot of tricked out cars at the track

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homemade intercoolers

deep sapphire
cold yacht
deep sapphire
#

ha nice

cold yacht
#

but yeah a lot of folks who had free time to work on their cars to race on a track all day

deep sapphire
#

what track were you at

cold yacht
#

Willow Springs International Raceway in cali

deep sapphire
#

oh nice

dull garnet
#

i hate that track in gran turismo

cold yacht
#

there was a mazda festival that day and i rode a long with my buddy

deep sapphire
#

LS swapped miata

cold yacht
#

there was a couple swapped miata

deep sapphire
cold yacht
#

a guy racing a older golf gti nearly blew out his engine

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it has a knocking noise now

deep sapphire
#

the life of a DIY

#

there was a video of some kid that blew out his head gasket on a K20 and he was literally taking apart the engine in the parking lot to fix it

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LOL

#

pretty impressive ngl

cold yacht
#

there was a 19 year old dude there with it being the first time on any track

#

he bought a junker miata fixed it up, strip the insides out to race it on the track

deep sapphire
umbral moss
deep sapphire
#

K20s are great engines

dull garnet
umbral moss
#

I remember the skyline being the best GT1 car

cold yacht
#

There also some folks who did a nice job making their bay look visually pleasing

deep sapphire
#

that fat intercooler tube

dull garnet
#

the 67 stingray is the best game in arcade mode

#

in gt mode yeah probably a tuned r33 or a gto

#

i tend to prefer the gto

deep sapphire
#

the mitsubishi gto?

dull garnet
#

yes

deep sapphire
#

that was my car in sega gt

dull garnet
#

LM car was hawt too

cold yacht
deep sapphire
#

I almost bought a 3000GT VR4 (GTO) but they are a total nightmare to work on

#

4 wheel steering, rat nest of vacuum lines

umbral moss
#

good old mitsi "engineering"

deep sapphire
#

pre OBD2 cars are not fun to diagnose

umbral moss
#

one day they'll make a good car

#

any day...

deep sapphire
#

do they even make cars anymore /s

umbral moss
#

although I would unironically like to get a vaporwave themed eclipse

#

no, they just make the out...lander?

cold yacht
#

chatting with the racers was fun, told me just start investing into my shitbox (03 corolla) and take it out on the track

umbral moss
#

I forgot what their one SUV model was called

deep sapphire
#

mitsubishi single handedly killed their north american market when they offered the 0-0-0 promo

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it goes down as one of the worst business decisions of all time

umbral moss
#

also when they stopped making anything anyone wanted to drive pogianger

deep sapphire
#

they literally gave you a free car for like

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what was it, 6 months or something

#

well guess what happened, people returned them before the promo was up

umbral moss
#

yeah, but counterpoint: they were giving you a free car because the car was such a piece of shit you would have sued if you paid for it lmao

deep sapphire
#

and mitsubishi was stuck with a lot of useless cars

#

ehhhh I mean the eclipse wasnt that bad

umbral moss
#

never forget the guy who bought a brand new evo and the fucking throttle pedal broke off after a month of owning it

cold yacht
#

i remember wanting their evo, but damn that car a rough ride

deep sapphire
#

mitsubishi made pretty reliable engines

umbral moss
#

that's the GEM quality 👌

#

the 4G was

#

the 4B was kind a of a piece of shit

#

because it was developed in concert with hyundai and chrysler

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you know, the other brainlets of quality auto manufacturing

deep sapphire
#

oh yeah was that the "world engine"

#

my dad had a plymouth minivan that had the mitsubishi V6

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totally gutless but it was a solid engine

umbral moss
#

and the 4G was only "good" because the thing was like, solid iron so you could put 75 PSI of boost into it

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like a 2J

deep sapphire
#

yeah 4G was a great tuner engine

umbral moss
#

the irony of the 2J being so good is that finding one that isn't exploded is like finding gold in your backyard

cold yacht
#

Last picture out of many, but look how tricked out this Subaru is

umbral moss
#

toyota will never make that mistake again sad

deep sapphire
#

frankly im convinced thats why chrysler minivans were surprisingly reliable for the time

#

they all used that mitsubishi V6

umbral moss
#

oh yeah, the galant was actually breddy gud back in the day

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with that v6

#

sad that the 3000GT was saddled with that absolute dogshit transaxle

#

"oh the getrag was fine if you babied it and did maintenance on it constantly"

deep sapphire
#

it was a mess yeah

umbral moss
#

that's like... the opposite of good lmao

deep sapphire
#

plus it had vacuum controlled 4WS

umbral moss
#

stupid design

deep sapphire
#

vacuum lines angelIAvomit

umbral moss
#

especially since the 3000GT doesn't precede the evo

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so there's no real reason for it to be so goddamn complicated

deep sapphire
#

Ford did that too with the fuckin FX4 system

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their "on the fly" system was controlled with vacuum lines

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guess what happened when it lost vacuum, it locked the hubs

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so you couldnt even move the vehicle

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GENIUS!

umbral moss
#

big brain

deep sapphire
#

damn look at that sick GTO engine

potent arrow
#

I've never had more disdain for Canadian ISP ever in my life

deep sapphire
#

thats pretty funny thinking about it

potent arrow
#

I call my ISP and they shirk it off to Rogers

deep sapphire
#

only difference was those were 12v not 24v

potent arrow
#

And Rogers shirks me off to fucking ISP again

#

They send a tech out

#

Copper thieves got my box

cold yacht
#

look like i can cook breakfast on that

potent arrow
#

And now they said the earliest appointment for repair is a month away

#

They sent another technician for a temp line

#

And the technician cuts the burial line too short to my house

#

And they want to dig up my garden

#

So they dig up my garden and put a fucking large ass acces box in my garden

#

Only for it today to fill with water and the internet stops working for some reason

#

And now I'm waiting on a tech

cold yacht
#

no internet and a ruined garden

potent arrow
#

I hate everything

#

ISP shit is so beyond my control it fucking sucks

#

I can have a nice home net setup

#

But I'm at the whilms of the most fucking attrocious company in this planet if I can use the hardware

deep sapphire
#

why are canadian isps so bad

#

makes american ones look like saints

#

and thats impressive

wise jay
#

they have the same bs going on that american ones do

potent arrow
#

P much

#

we have three big companies that own everything

#

and our version of the FTC is so useless that a corpse of a stray animal is probally doing a better job

#

You either pay a small sum of a million dollars for kinda reliable dog shit speeds a month or you go with a third party/a company that rents their line

dull garnet
potent arrow
#

lmfao

#

let these die first

#

I dont have much room in my case

#

Theres not enough room for a nvme drive even lmao

#

let alone a fan

#

I wear headphones at my desk

#

its not a problem

#

My mouse and keeb are louder because they are both mechanical lol

#

I think my fans are maxed all the time lol

#

bahahah

#

thats why I have two :3

sly elk
#

how loud are we talking?

potent arrow
#

dont think we would be talking kyanche

#

we would be yellin

sly elk
#

i like things quiet

#

sometimes I fantasize about getting rid of my whole entire setup and just getting a mac studio and a studio display. or a macbook pro. and just... not having .. peripherals..

potent arrow
#

lol

#

I have the plans to make everythig in another room

#

and just have a thin client

dull garnet
#

macbook pro still has a fan

deep sapphire
#

@modest moss

modest moss
#

<@&607647345936695316> BABE YOU'RE HOME

deep sapphire
#

YEAH LETS FIX SOME COMPUTERS

modest moss
#

ok start on mine

deep sapphire
#

okay omw

#

I'll visit england sometime

modest moss
deep sapphire
#

run a dxdiag, save the log and send it to me

modest moss
#

I've done a scan, some updates, ddu, firmware update

#

might be fixed, I won't know until I game

real edge
#

last time I had random bluescreens like that consistently while I gamed, I underclocked my ram, turns out my cpus memory controller wasn't great so my OCd ram was causing issues

modest moss
#

the most recent three were 2 playing FFXIV and one exiting FFXIV

deep sapphire
#

I need to figure out why sometimes when I turn my PC back on from sleep it resets my resolution to 1024x768 60hz

modest moss
#

this has been perfect for like 16 months though

deep sapphire
#

its fuckin annoying

real edge
#

same CPU and ram?

modest moss
#

the only hardware change I've made since July 22 was adding an 8tb hdd a couple of months back

real edge
#

odd

cerulean talon
#

Sounds like you made windows unhappy, pave it from orbit.

real edge
#

ntoskrnl and nvdl are common culprits

potent arrow
#

Reinstall WINDOW WAS TIMEEEE

cerulean talon
#

^

potent arrow
#

I should have that on macro lol

cerulean talon
#

Every 6 months it's time to pave it.

modest moss
#

yeah, that's my next step if I haven't fixed it with a mobo firmware update and a windows update

#

it's not overheating

real edge
#

the thing I havent done since I updated to windows 7 and its somehow still fine

cerulean talon
#

Tbh, I finally got my A770 playing nice w/ a BIOS update, so these day things are wild.

potent arrow
#

Shue make me a keyboard tech mentor

cerulean talon
modest moss
#

I don't have this power

potent arrow
#

Is it a shit show like novideo?

cerulean talon
potent arrow
#

Oooo

cerulean talon
#

It runs like a f'in dream.

potent arrow
#

Can't tell if saracasm

cerulean talon
#

3x4k all day no questions asked, wakes up fine, runs like a charm.

potent arrow
#

Oooo

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I have issues with the 3060 I use on my arch box

cerulean talon
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Only rebooted for kernel updates. 😄

potent arrow
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So if it's better I'll go replace it with a A770

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Mmm guess I gotta

cerulean talon
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They're also so damned cheap.

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I don't have any issues w/ asus

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And I beat the crap outta everything I own.

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Why would I get WD NVMe's when I can just get samsungs?

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😛

potent arrow
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Safe to say if it works for you I'tll work for me

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pensivewobble I have to honor a few remaining warranty contracts before I close my business for good

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Trying to decide what inventory to keep around

cerulean talon
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Unfortunate to hear you're closing, but yeah.

potent arrow
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But shits too pricey now

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No margins

cerulean talon
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Yeah, I know the feeling.

potent arrow
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I got rid of all my ryzen 2 stock

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So the hard part is out of the way

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I did the math, I can do 7 ish low spec ryzen 1 machines with 1660ti

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And I'll be selling those off soon

modest moss
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sata

cerulean talon
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My KVM is mac - linux - windows - mac and it hurts some days.

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cerulean talon
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thats the one I have

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work basically paid it off lol

deep sapphire
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its weird cause I replaced the HDMI cable with one that was rated for 2.1 and then it started doing it so I kinda suspect its the cable

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my old 2.0 one never did it (oddly enough it let me enable 4K 120)

dull garnet
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use dp you fool

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probs doesn't have the bandwidth for 4k120 tho eh

deep sapphire
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I use an LG C2 lol

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no display port

sly elk
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SDI-16G endure

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wait, it's 24G for 4k/120

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if only we could have the superior locking BNC with single-conductor coax cable as mere mortals sad

cerulean talon
deep sapphire
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Absolutely not LOL

sly elk
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Yea it you replaced the wheels with 15 inch steelies and put 40" mickey Thompson mud tires on it maybe

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It's sill not going off road though

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Idk why don't they make their house similarly large

sly elk
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lol lower the range for no appreciable difference

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if you start calling your wagon a "truck" imma fly up there to spank you

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always makes me laugh when people are so insecure about their suv purchase that they call it a truck

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damn

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that's close to the size tire i ran on the 300c lol

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i'm actually surprised they're so narrow for a car with that much torque

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oh yea it will be much louder

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much

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i'm still surprised they ran 255s lol

odd sand
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What is an "ev tire"

sly elk
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well yea the car is heavy aint it?

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ah our cadillac runs 245/45r19 .. hmm i thought they were wider lol

odd sand
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Mine has 255 35 R19 for rear and 225 40 for the front

sly elk
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i'm not sure what my jeep runs lol

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let's see

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285/70r17

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nahhh put a lift on it so you can get KO2s!

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hehe jk

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ready to take on the rubicon trail bruh

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go overlanding

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(warning: trying to do a trail will drain your battery hella fast)

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(there's videos about that with rivians)

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i thought the dudes on the jeep forum were just angry luddites who were fulla shit

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i love how roomy the bench seat makes the interior

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real talk though

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how are you enjoying that tesla?!

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are you driving it a lot?

potent arrow
sly elk
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amazon trying to get me to buy a studio display

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it's a shame the adjustable height model never goes on sale

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netflix and chill mode!

odd sand
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Yeah even for my gas car there is a big difference between eco and sport mode

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Eco it feels like flooring it in an HRV heh

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Then sport mode you're at 70mph and it's still in 5th or 6th gear

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Mine has Michelin Sport4s they're quite good. Haven't tried to spin out, but in sport mode I can do like 75 around the 45mph curves np

wraith agate
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Decided to get a new TV

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Got an Amazon TV with their monthly payment

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Which doesn't sound bad a few bucks every month

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I can tell my TV I got right now is still experiencing the same issue as yesterday but my eyes haven't adjusted for today cuz I just woke up

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Permanently dim

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Went over it yesterday

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Did everything I could came to conclusion that something's wrong with the circuit board or the lights

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It's like I was playing Final Fantasy XIV with a permanent pair of strong shades

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It's out of warranty of course and there's no repair place where I am

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Well considering a factory reset didn't work even I'm assuming it's a hardware issue

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Don't get me wrong it's still a viewable thing but it's like I got a pair of shades on the screen permanently

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Just to double check I even pulled out and I'm currently using my really small 1080p TV I had before and it's like a night and day comparison I can actually see

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And it's actually bright

potent arrow
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Dima back light is almost always a PSU issue for the backlight so

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Usually if it's cheaper to buy a new device anyways then tell someone to repair it

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There's nobody here where I live to repair it anyway

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Lol

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I'm assuming with the backlight like this it's eventually going to croak out completely

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Like I said it's so viewable but it's like having a pair of shades permanently put over the

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Still viewable

void dove
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yeah ive had that happen before, though not dim, but the backlight's power circuit couldn't handle the power draw, and would crap out, after it was lit up for maybe 3 seconds.