I got like 600 bucks
#technology-discussion
sly elk
i mean i don't think you could get much of a gaming computer for $359.10
a used optiflex off craigslist/ebay/some refurb site and a video card off newegg/amazon/Ebay/whatever 😄
umbral moss
not exactly comparable
an android phone from 2010 is using ARM too
but good luck getting a modern phone game to run on it
not a matter of megahurtz or gigabutts, it's the uarch underneath it evolving and new instruction capabilities coming around
umbral moss
the switch is like, 10 years old now lmao
umbral moss
the switch is an nvidia shield tablet with the serial numbers (literally) filed off
dull garnet
i have the oled switch
nice screen, as you'd expect
steam deck display is more like the og switch
400 nits, IPS
kindred brook
the switch is an nvidia shield tablet with the serial numbers (literally) filed ...
Nvidia said what do we do with all these Tegra X1 chips?
Then Nintendo came to their rescue
wide hill
imagine buying switch, then oled switch, then switch 2, which can't even play older switch games
dull garnet
i bought 3 switch units and now have the oled switch
umbral moss
Nvidia said what do we do with all these Tegra X1 chips?
what do we do with all these recalled tegra x1 chips
dull garnet
but i only have like 12 games, so idc if the next one doesn't support switch games
umbral moss
never forget that the reason the shield tablet was recalled was because the clock speed was too high on the SOC so it would catch fire if you were charging and playing at max speed at the same time
kindred brook
never forget that the reason the shield tablet was recalled was because the clo...
I got a Shield TV
;D
umbral moss
that's why the switch has a slightly lower core clock, they just de-rated it lmao
kindred brook
that's also an X1 right
opal pantherBOT
fair parcel
cerulean talon
@potent arrow How's the gas tank btw?
sly elk
Thus I present the Chevy S10 Xtreme - hopping right on to the red-hot mini-truck market of the mid-to-late 90's, it came from the factory with the updates you would have otherwise dropped all of your Sam Goody paychecks on (thus giving you more money for a bazooka sub). Even the name is about as 90's as you can get.
Xtreme
wraith agate
That's good too but I generally like to understand what the devs say their features do
modern iris
Yeah it’s good that way too, I’m no good figuring out things unless I take their library and break things for a hot minute
cerulean talon
As if devs ever tell the truth about what our features do.
modern iris
def sum(a, b):
"""This function returns the sum of two integers. No, really!"""
return a - b;
inland mauve
hard drift
is this your vehicle 😭
sly elk
Chrome flames
sharp star
So the new coolers I installed work amazingly but the only real problem I have with them is that the mounting mechanism requires an uncomfortable amount of force
they could take notes from Noctua on how to do it, even if they're just running in place
wraith agate
okay so I got down a rabbit hole out of curiosity
steam says their fees are 30%, does this include the tax or not?
because if not, that means with every purchase (in my case at least) I lose 57% of the money
odd sand
The buyer pays the tax, not the person selling the game
Why would the developer pay the tax?
wraith agate
okay let me put it like this, when you purchase a game for let's say $60, that also includes the tax
because tax is inclusive and not additive on steam
above this, steam takes 30% cut from profits aka after taxes
now I used my country's tax rate because one I live here, second it's the highest tax rate of all
odd sand
@wraith agate Very relevant video section from Bellular on their game launch on Steam and if they feel Valve earns their cut: https://youtu.be/AMIxU74oZKs?t=1337
TLDR: They feel Steam is great and very much earns their cut due to the algorithm that serves impressions of your game to potential buyers
odd sand
Epic Game Store doesn't have any rec system and doesn't do any promotion.
And the market is much much much smaller.
wraith agate
if you got physical copies sold through Amazon despite all the things, Amazon does much all the same with promotion and such and they take only 15%
odd sand
Think of the math like this: You sell 10k copies at $1 each and Steam takes 30% you earn $7k. On EGS the market is so small you're gonna maybe sell 1k copies at 12% cut earning $880.
wraith agate
and keep in mind Amazon also does storage
odd sand
You're also paying a distributor a cut for retail and almost nobody buys PC games with physical copies now
odd sand
Basically, I would do the homework on this. The studies and math and personal experiences of indies are out there to be read
wraith agate
I feel like 30% above taxes is egregious
odd sand
You're operating on a gut feeling with little info it sounds like
Why do you keep thinking you're paying the sales tax? The consumer pays the sales tax.
wraith agate
BECAUSE IT STILL APPLIES
just because I do not pay it doesn't mean it doesn't eat into my profits
if I list a game for $10, I do not earn $7 after steam fees, I earn less because tax is inclusive
odd sand
A quick history of retail sales and Steam/Valve:
Oh in your country tax is inclusive? Well then you need to set a higher price 🤷♀️
odd sand
Before Steam was around, retail was the only way to sell and there was the Developer, the Publisher, the Distributor, and the Retailer.
odd sand
Getting a distributor to carry your game cost tens of thousands of dollars and they took basically a third cut
wraith agate
you'll see all of them are inclusive
wraith agate
Oh in your country tax is inclusive? Well then you need to set a higher price 🤷...
and this is a bad attitude
odd sand
Watch the video I link. Start from the beginning of the Steam stats section, Bellular literally details all the breakdowns
wraith agate
because prices set expectations
odd sand
So before Steam existed you had retailer taking 35%, the distributor taking about 30% and then your publisher taking whatever their cut was. A developer saw maybe 15-20% of the box price.
wraith agate
this comparison is irrelevant
odd sand
When Steam came out they cut out the distributor literally and assumed those costs AND provided a CDN for patch updates for free (XBox Live charged $40k per patch)
Steam also provides a ton of baked in services
wraith agate
distributor and retailer had their own fees to pay, they very much earned their cuts
odd sand
The recommendation algorithm, a very expansive stats dashboard for you to track sales and click-through etc.
wraith agate
tracking sales is not something I wanna pay for, it's something I expect and demand
odd sand
remote couch coop, streaming, achievements, built-in controller support, forums, developer-controlled sales page, etc etc.
Okay well ... EGS doesn't provide shit.
It's literally just a storefront to sell the game and patch it. Period.
wraith agate
the things you listed are either emergent from steam's design and might not apply depending on game and or just a thing
odd sand
You came in here asking a question, and I provided you with a lot of info and you fought me on all of it, so it sounds like you already had your mind made up based on "feelings" so good luck in your business endeavors I guess.
wraith agate
Sure, feelings
ignore the facts I provided
Just because one dev says 30% cut is good because they earned millions mean nothing
void dove
so you think the millions in terms of Steam's development, IP, extra features that attract people to their platform and make the platform the juggernaut it is, isn't worth the 30%?
for the userbase, and sheer breadth of features Steam provides for a fraction of the cost of past traditional publishing and distribution, 30% is a bargain.
wraith agate
I am not saying steam should lick salt and not take cuts
but maybe level the cuts based on profits
for an indie dev starting out, releasing their first actual game 30% is a lot vs a multimillion dollar company like Activision that can shoulder 30% with ease
a Call of Duty will sell itself
deep sapphire
30 percent is 30 percent
void dove
its a percent, so you know, its automatically relative
wraith agate
!hank
opal pantherBOT
deep sapphire
End of discussion stop arguing pls thx
deep sapphire
Nice one
wraith agate
what a mustache
odd sand
I assume they ran a marker over it lol
wraith agate
dunno... I don't think a cat would like that
looks more like photoshop
or maybe a filter
odd talon
What's a good full size wireless keyboard for gaming and typing?
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
cerulean talon
Looks like kupo's back to normal. Excellent.
odd talon
Who here has a couchmaster?
sharp star
https://www.razer.com/gaming-mouse-mats/razer-atlas/RZ02-04890100-R3U1 tempered glass mouse mats? really?
sharp star
I don't play twitchy shooters, or even shooters as a whole
I question anything Razer puts out too
cerulean talon
I used a smooth polycarb one for awhile I really liked, I considered glass this time around, but they're a bit big for my mousing surface.
Gotta compete with everything else for those precious desk-based square inches.
modest moss
!hank
opal pantherBOT
odd sand
@void dove Weird. I've never had DMs blocked and I've only ever been messaged by bots like twice ever. And even though I like a good discussion, I can also only remember 1-2x anyone ever tried to DM me. What servers are you on with so many malcontents 
void dove
<@255177905468866561> Weird. I've never had DMs blocked and I've only ever been ...
i have DMs disabled by default for any large servers im on, its a privacy setting.
im on like 20+ servers, some Extremely large ones and large servers attract scams, scam accounts join the server then DM every single member.
so i only allow DMs from server members, if its a small private server, that isn't open to the public
its not really a problem if someone really wants to DM me, they just have to friend me first.
but it also helps stop assholes from sending unsolicited abuse to my inbox 😛
cerulean talon
Join a few crypto discords, you'll get 3-4 pings a week. :D
sly elk
i don't get that many dms
cerulean talon
I always forget to check, w/ the new pending DM system discord's got.
sly elk
modest moss
I don't get many DMs, because I'm grumpy probably
odd sand
i have DMs disabled by default for any large servers im on, its a privacy settin...
Ahh, I guess it's probably bc I've left most large servers bc I found the vast majority of official game discords to be worthless due to over zealous mods and channel fragmentation / "staying on topic" within those narrow confines to be impossible to deal with
void dove
lol
odd sand
You don't know the half of it.
cerulean talon
Time to run a "Is shue zealous" report.
void dove
i have opinions about rules here, but not like that will matter anyway
odd sand
There was one here I was talking about the game in the general chat for it. I made an analogy and said Game X reminds me of this system from Game Y and posted a comparison picture to show what I meant.
I was yelled at and told the picture needed to go in the media channel and mentioning other games was forbidden in general chat, so I would have to say the first half of the analogy about the game in general and write the comparison half of the analogy into offtopic
...I left the server a short while later.
modest moss
yeah I'd have just bounced after that
odd sand
It was almost comical.
void dove
yeah thats just plain dumb
power hungry mods, looking for any excuse to use their powers
some people get like that
modest moss
i have opinions about rules here, but not like that will matter anyway
you should use #discord-feedback if you have thoughts about the rules, you might be surprised at the results
void dove
you need to choose your mods carefully
odd sand
Then there was some Destiny2 LFG server where I accidentally said a swear word while typing and their bot instantly bonked my post and had no less than like 3-4 mods chime in to chastise me for swearing (simple accident). Saying this was a "family server" etc. etc.
void dove
mod piling is also fun :/
odd sand
To which I mentioned okay but it's really silly when you consider Destiny2 was rated Mature 17+ with a language warning and you're allowed to swear in the game and if you don't like it there is a filter you can turn on or might even be turned on by default
odd sand
....Let's say they did not appreciate my questioning their authoritaw so I ducked out of that one too.
cerulean talon
Mmmm. Nothing like a classic power trip.
void dove
of course they didn't, happens with a lot of mod groups
on reddit, discord, you name it
odd sand
And I understand nobody wants to get a hard time when mods are almost certainly doing it for free.
void dove
they get their little group, and dont like it if someone questions their decisions
odd sand
But I wasn't even throwing a fit, I just pointed out D2 itself is a 17+ game with a language warning heh
void dove
ive called out my fair share of mods
and i like doing it because their response speaks VOLUMES as to how the server is run
modest moss
I'm going to bed, you guys are free to talk shit about me now, just have Impala purge it before I wake up
odd sand
Bc I've seen plenty of users throw fits over completely reasonable mod actions
modest moss
cerulean talon
If only I had delete rights. :(
void dove
i much prefer to poke a mod about what i think is a bad take/response, and see how they handle it,
if they handle it BADLY, well, i know im not gonna waste my time there.
opal pantherBOT
odd sand
Rushia-neko?
void dove
i got stories about a few servers i could tell,, nepotism, favouritism.
even one server where i called out multiple mods publicly, they went off at me, but didn't ban me or mute me because they knew i was right,
then debated it among everyone publicly, which was hilarious.
confirmed what i flagged as an issue was correct, but got no apology from ANYONE for being treated like that.
and they all just tried to forget about it.
months later, same issue, same response, so i just peaced out,
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
void dove
some things never change
cerulean talon
Much better.
@modest moss Kupo's fixed, now to go find out if this was deliberate or not.
Something generated 40k raid reminders.
!hank
opal pantherBOT
odd sand
willingly playing 1.0
for the 20mins until you're out of stamina for the day rite /s
Or die to a sheep outside Limsa
I remember for some reason the con system was all fscked in beta and some things that conned very hard were easy and some of the easy cons (like sheep) kicked your ass
So you would keep seeing people go up to the sheep and get meme'd on.
Reminds me of a MUD I tried once where the rabbits just outside of the starter town would do eviscerating dmg and kill you easily. I dunno if the game was just really difficult at low levels or if it was a meme and they were supposed to be "monty python bunnies" and you were supposed to go past them
I'm not cool enough for the Hankshell apparently
Gods, I forgot how bad the UI was. It really was just FF11.5 wasn't it?
75% failure rate on crafting and critical failure blew you up 
Are there even skeletons in FF14? I don't remember them
Did they ever talk about what really happened with development?
There were all sorts of rumors it was mostly outsourced to China, hence the "horsebird" fiasco
And Gridania was atrociously sad and lazy.
The other areas were okay but the grid was so terrible. Literally every 3rd intersection was the same rock, bush, and tree.
I wish we could get another decent MMO with the crafting system from Starwars Galaxies
The whole randomized resource veins with different properties you could stockpile and craft actually rare equipment with was nice.
Too bad they had to back off the idea of the localized resources and being able to setup defense to protect rare veins
Instead the resources were per planet and a gradient across the entire surface. So there was a semi-limited area with a really high concentration, but people even on the other side of the planet could still be leeching from the vein and exhaust it
I've wanted to get back into game design recently. Previously I only read up on Unity, but maybe I should take a look at UE5 as well.
I would be making a turn-based game so its not like I need the ultra graphics of UE5 though
And I do like you can code in C# for Unity bc I already am familiar with that more or less.
UE5 still uses their proprietary ActionScript or whatever I assume?
odd sand
I want to make an isometric SRPG like Disgaea, except change up the formula a bit.
Have spells or abilities default to X nearest targets or select specific targets in range for aoe spells rather than having to monkey around with exact placement as much.
Have some basic tactics orders like "Get to cover" letting your deployed units within range move in behind the tank to block large aoe attacks, etc.
And some destruction physics allowing units to scale walls or blow holes through them to advance to the next section of the map.
In general try to make the pacing faster so it feels more like a hybrid between an SRPG and regular RPG
paper tusk
Are there even skeletons in FF14? I don't remember them
central shroud and labby (dragon exploding skellingtons)
might be dusk vigil
quarn hard has teh mummy
hmm
torpid kayak
I meet fatal directx error so often
void dove
someone killed kupobot again
royal forge
God damn it
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
royal forge
Kupobot returns
cerulean talon
He has a 5 minute nap, y'all hit it earlier
royal forge
Ah
cerulean talon
He doesnt need much, but he needs some beauty sleep
royal forge
!hank
opal pantherBOT
wraith agate
Swooord
hard drift
https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-unveils-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-mega-gamer-gpu-with-five-fans 
i kinda like the design
i hate the mega gamer bar though 😭
hard drift
idk lol, but i don't mind the aesthetic of the shroud 
umbral moss
is this like putting one of those giant airglider wings on a bone stock 1986 honda civic
"hey man, it might go fast one day"
sharp star
https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-unveils-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-mega-gamer-gpu-wi...
It's so smooth. I hate it.
hard drift
umbral moss
It's so smooth. I hate it.
very early 90s vibe
you have no idea how weird it is to be old enough to remember the first time something was in fashion
royal forge
!hank
opal pantherBOT
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
cerulean talon
Ah yes, morning purple. Excellent choice kupo
royal forge
Towaaaaa sama
hard drift
!hank
opal pantherBOT
royal forge
!hank
opal pantherBOT
cerulean talon
Aw, I love this one
royal forge
Very intricate and colorful
wide hill
https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-unveils-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-mega-gamer-gpu-wi...
where are the 2 other fans?
modest moss
!hank
opal pantherBOT
modest moss
Angsty teen cat
cerulean talon
Quality angst
wraith agate
That's gonna be me
Dad said I need to get on python more, I already knew some of it
But maybe there's a job opportunity
modest moss
python does still seem pretty widely used
wraith agate
Not a surprise
On gods, I'm not sure if I wanna dip into regular software development but I need money
A lot of it
inland mauve
my company has a bitch of a time attracting new IT architects because their salary indications are much higher than our payment scales
modest moss
On gods, I'm not sure if I wanna dip into regular software development but I nee...
you should try
wraith agate
Yes I should, I need money
inland mauve
you can do it 
wraith agate
I see
inland mauve
if you need a goal setting, look into certifications
modest moss
code dull shit for money while you work on the fun shit in your spare time, until the fun shit becomes a viable income
inland mauve
there is bound to exist some acknowledged certifications for Python
wraith agate
Shue gets it
modest moss
@tame fulcrum Amy needs your pep talk about coursera and learning to code
inland mauve
that tells you what to study, it gives you an exam to aim for, and it gives you something to show to potential employers
wraith agate
I also need to swallow a sour pill
I need to be prepared to do favors for my dad which is bad because he's actually very transphobic
He doesn't know I'm trans
Wew
Thanks
modest moss
Ice is pretty evangelical about helping people into tech tbh
I expect he'd even help you with the content if you get stuck
wraith agate
Thankfully I don't need much convincing I already have a good foothold on C/C++
modest moss
he did this himself and has ended up fairly successful
still a fuckin nerd though
I thought you retrained like this
welp, still a fuckin nerd
also Ice be careful learning UE5
if you actually get good at it you might end up dragged into a project
golden stream
is there any diff w UE4? Heard that some port 4 to 5 is a bit brokey?
eh I start w UE5, not 4
golden stream
^
golden stream
ya hack is a poor term
modest moss
Amy, if your dad wants you to learn python, ask if he'll fund a course
wraith agate
well he won't
but he is helping with meeting a friend of his working in software development using python
modest moss
that's cool, make contacts
odd sand
The most hackerman thing I did back then was install the JP version of Playonline so I could type in Japanese with the IME and get in 
all the sweet JP exp groups
Because the EN version of POL had the IME disabled.
wraith agate
ngl I wish I had enough money to just exist and make games on my own
odd sand
So JP players could spot the EN players by the fact their profile description was always English and romaji
wraith agate
I am not the best at working with people
odd sand
There should probably be a decent number of free videos on python on Youtube. Otherwise Udemy also has sales where you can get coursework for like $15
wraith agate
well I am not sure if I need courses and stuff
I wrote a simple math bot back in 2019
modest moss
if you don't want to get certification you need to build up a body of work to show
githubs etc
odd sand
And it's a lot easier these days when you can just install addons in VS Code for syntax checking and linting.
wraith agate
if you don't want to get certification you need to build up a body of work to sh...
that's true
odd sand
Yeah if you don't have a degree or certs, you need to make things to show off your skills. Write some apps for mobile, help on some open source project, make some utility etc.
That said, most basic certs are like $100-150 to take so its not that bad
inland mauve
what you need to do is determine where you want to be in 2 years and then work backwards to figure out what steps you have to take to get there
modest moss
I want to say Amy is in a country where exchange rates might make that feel expensive
Hungary?
I think
wraith agate
yes
plus rn I don't really have money and I probably need to be ready to present skills at an interview instead of portfolio or certs as there's a chance I will have that within a month depending on what my dad can y'know do
modest moss
Yeah you need to start smashing any free courses and yt tutorials you can find, but document it all so you can translate those skills in an interview
that is very you
real edge
do learner
wraith agate
I learn when I do things
modest moss
yeah that's what I meant with github, start a project, make something, document and comment it
golden stream
you also can contribute other projects, write plogon, document it etc
like Blender or Krita or whatever (that's more in art side tho and they use python)
modest moss
and there are a bunch of actual pro coders in here, they're pretty likely to offer help if you ask about specific things
golden stream
Shue, which is quicker if for portfolio? making a project full from scratch or making plogon?
wraith agate
in my experiences making small apps is faster, that and contributing to open source projects
golden stream
hmmm yeah, contributing is quicker for portfolio
need to know on which and which tho and some projects are fookin fast
am lookin at u Blender
modest moss
Shue, which is quicker if for portfolio? making a project full from scratch or m...
I'm not the one to ask about that, I am trash at code
I'm better at yelling at programmers
wraith agate
are you a production manager?
modest moss
nah just a jerk
wraith agate
what's the difference? /s
odd sand
Mangadex Discord has a #dev-talk channel with a lot of experienced people as well.
odd sand
You could maybe help contribute to MD website code if they're looking for ppl I dunno
inland mauve
I love designing new mechanics for D&D
I want to try my hand at video game design 😩
wraith agate
oh on that I can help
golden stream
oy call me when you need tester 
potent arrow
Aaaaaa
wraith agate
oy call me when you need tester <:owocarby:588388854587719681>
actually will do, testing is very important
golden stream
ya I can do some UX/UI works
mostly design prototyping stuff and possibly finetunning things
potent arrow
Wanna do me a favor and name all of my Photoshop layers for me? I think I have an entire drive full of psd, and none of them have named layers -____-
wraith agate
I can tell you UI is one of those fields that people don't notice until it is bad, makes it rather underappreciated
umbral moss
Because the EN version of POL had the IME disabled.
windower had an IME plugin, so JP players used to automatically report any EFG players using JP characters because Muh Gaming Purity
also, the real reason I came all this way:
umbral moss
imagine the N74 with this level of performance tuning in the ECU
it's a mule car, not a production unit
they always use an obscuring texture to prevent people from getting any good photos of the body panels
inland mauve
iirc that technique is called Razzle Dazzle
umbral moss
In the RN22e on tarmac, the fake noise and fake shifts felt like gimmicks that, as with the seven-speed manual transmission in a Porsche 911, admittedly increased driver engagement but did so at the cost of outright speed and performance. On a low-traction surface in the Ioniq 5 N, however, both proved their worth as genuine driving tools.
this is why I always defend stick shift, the ability to manage wheel spin manually is insanely powerful
golden stream
Wanna do me a favor and name all of my Photoshop layers for me? I think I have a...
ya just pm me the file/folder or so
Imma also intro you somes of the tools for UI ya
UX also plays a big part tho
potent arrow
ya just pm me the file/folder or so
I don't think you can go through 6-8 years of my work lmfao
It's literally 30% of my NAS
It's such a bad habbit of mine
potent arrow
Between photography and graphic design things and memes
The PSDs have been piling up.....
golden stream
memes
ngl good choice lel
potent arrow
I just need to Ctrl+a del em
hard drift
where are the 2 other fans?
In the front by the gamer thing
wraith agate
UX also plays a big part tho
oh yeah
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
royal forge
Cute Aqua
sly elk
Yay catgorls are back!
hard drift
!hank
opal pantherBOT
sly elk
!hank
opal pantherBOT
sly elk
nice
opal pantherBOT
modest moss
Only time I'd take away catgirls is to punish shue or hank.
you like them just as much as we do
so you'd only be hurting yourself
cerulean talon
Yeah. But Ive got kupodev :3
sly elk
hehe
cerulean talon
Gotta have redundant moogles.
sly elk
hehe
modern iris
wrote a python script that basically just cancels print jobs on a ghost printer on prod server every 30 mins or so but
can’t put it on prod server bc gotta install python on it and that requires a week long+ approval process
just backdoored it by throwing it on a dev server and remoting into prod server instead to do what it needs
security be damned
potent arrow
.......................
.............................................................................
This is prime example of what not to do
wraith agate
sounds dangerous
sly elk
ice sounds like the wolfman
potent arrow
ice if we ever meet irl, I call dibs on living in that shed
modern iris
This is prime example of what not to do
testing in production is how I live
the neat part is that our company didn’t feel like paying for some software they use that communicates with our primary seller, so if a windows update boops our prod servers before next week we’ll have a learning experience
!hank
opal pantherBOT
sly elk
!hank
opal pantherBOT
modest moss
kindred brook
dang I should have gootten this dad
I donb't think I will use a steamdeck
often enough
to justify it
sharp star
https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1636399936924434434 I think we deserve a Butlerian Jihad by now
Twitter
wraith agate
A what now
wraith agate
Ah
sharp star
tl;dr they destroyed all computers and AI, wiped out all machine-based technology, and erased a bunch of historical texts
odd sand
english/french/german
Ah, well I guess it helps then that I was good at my class rather than baka gaijin-tier like they dread. I remember we would get like XP chain 12 or 15 or something like that at times, which was really good (for the time?)
sly elk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agMrewRJTow
Imma be the luddite and say they're both awful
awful bad no good ideas
just no
I barely even like electronic throttle bodies
and generally dislike electric steering because it usually doesn't have the same road feel as hydraulic assist did :\
celest violet
I was helping a kid with his pc cause he didn't hook up the motherboard properly, and when it finally posted it gave a overheat error, and the kid flat out told me he used no thermal paste to mount the cooler
His 11700k was a trooper
modest moss
@potent arrow it worked great
sly elk
gg hehe
sly elk
!hank
opal pantherBOT
modern iris
gf brought home her coworker's laptop from work and asked me to look at it bc not working
guess hospitals really do be having an it shortage
sly elk
yikes
modern iris
but it was a dell laptop, i ran diagnostics and learned that dell likes to play this uncanny tune before giving you beep codes
sly elk
LOL
modern iris
so cute little tune + motherboard failure beep code
sly elk
the euro ambulance sound
modern iris
modern iris
yeah something's wrong with the motherboard, this laptop is old too. windows 7 going by the sticker because I can't get into the os
i allowed her to pronounce the laptop's time of death and told her to tell her friend to get a new laptop
she had 0 faith in the it support at work lol, or maybe it's budget issues bc I know my company is the same way
trying to pry money out to get a new work laptop takes forever unless it's one of the engineers that need it
modern iris
i could probably try replacing the ram and see if that does anything, it definitely wasn't giving me beep codes over ram but 
doesn't seem like anything's physically broken, and it doesn't stay on long enough for me to see if it overheats
the little dell tune that plays glitches out a bit before it gives the beep code too
wraith agate
maybe water spill?
modern iris
it's the weekend and i don't wanna work 
her buddy just needs a new laptop or just a used replacement with (hopefully) an os that's up to date
letting these nurses run around with windows 7 smh
yeah I thought that too maybe, but can't tell just by looking at it
no dust either
wraith agate
you don't wanna know what OS we used to use for a machine that manufactures critical components like airbag safety
modern iris
when i had an old laptop with windows 7, i remember it running hot the older it got
that's why I was thinking overheat maybe
and we use some kind of windows nt embedded thing for ours
my company does the seating for nissan cars 
well a mix of things, some stuff is up to date os and then we have a few stray windows nt based stuff or XP/7
modern iris
bet you can't replace them because the software was made by some dude that probably isn't there anymore and it just isn't compatible with newer os
among other reasons but that's the one I get pushback on whenever I try and bug them about it
wraith agate
exactly
favorite is the oldest one that used a win 95
some engineer built it and the company later had to literally reverse engineer it to build more of it
wraith agate
Ahem... it is
well technically an internal network but it has a gateway to the WORLD WIDE WEB
wraith agate
Man I wish I had balls like this
wraith agate
Seems real to me
sly elk
I have definitely turned down a recruiter for not offering enough $$ before, but I did appreciate that they were willing to give me a ballpark range
sharp star
joycons
sly elk
oh right!
nice!
what do you play on there?
my switch really doesn't get much use at all
I bought it to play ring fit adventure, and I did. for a while.
sly elk
turns out too many of the exercises in the rpg part of the game depend on smashing the ring-con into your abs and turning side to side
and that....
I feel like that may have led to me having some intestinal issues
or at least, I had pain down in my stomach for a while and couldn't quite figure out why, but it happened after playing it 3 times a week for a few weeks >>
there was one map that like outright depended on doing that
stupid game -_-
sharp star
I couldn't find any of the viscous thermal paste similar to the one Nintendo used
So I used a 0.5mm thermal pad
torpid kayak
I couldn't find any of the viscous thermal paste similar to the one Nintendo use...
lubricant themal paste
sly elk
torpid kayak
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/11tuouw/took_a_while_but_i_finall...
what is on top of the case? melting component?
sly walrus
a mouse
torpid kayak
so a mouse get turned hot red 😄
sly walrus
rgb
torpid kayak
😛
sly walrus
razer had one of those around when wow cataclysm was coming out
sly elk
probably has a dead skin problem
torpid kayak
I have hair problem :3
sly elk
https://www.reddit.com/r/macsetups/comments/11sptqr/6_months_with_this_set_up_upgraded_from_macbook/
I can't get over the window in the background with the notch
it looks like a toilet
dull garnet
Is it
sly elk
From the original ad when those were announced there's no way in hell I'd want it
But let's start with the simple part
It's 45 inches and still 3440x1440
It also looks kinda tacky
real edge
ye overall its bad but the bend is interesting
bendable monitors would be nice for those that want the best of both worlds, curve for gaming but flat for other work or content
sly elk
Speaking onlu of my experience with 34", I think in a 34 the curve is a silly gimmick
It looks nicer I guess
Yeah but after about a month or so your brain gets used to the curve
Just like using crt monitors
real edge
I appreciate the aggressive curve on my G7 for games tbh
sly elk
The g9 has a rather crazy curve but it's also very big
real edge
I can see more of the games HUD and such on my field of vision
sly elk
Yeah that's nice
My curved 34 isn't that much diffrttnrt from my old flat one
It's fine though
Non gaming I want a pro display xdr lol
I'm never buying one
real edge
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
modest moss
Purple cat
cerulean talon
Kupo knows my love for purple. nods
hard drift
!hank
opal pantherBOT
modest moss
!hank
opal pantherBOT
deep sapphire
LMAO
opal pantherBOT
fair parcel
!hank
deep sapphire
!hank
opal pantherBOT
one day my goth catgirl will return
@opal panther you don't like me
deep sapphire
I programmed it to recognize Nissan owners
fair parcel
sly elk
!hank
opal pantherBOT
deep sapphire
hard drift
<a:fuming:967888433055936622>
sly elk
yet again happy i'm still running windows 10
sly elk
lol getting pictures out of icloud was a tiny bit of a shit show 😄
I had the macos photos app download everything to its local library and then opened the 'library database' file and yanked all of the pictures out of it .,for some reason it groups them into folders 0-9,a-f
but with no particular rhyme or reason
luckily a mv */ all_pictures/ fixed that 😄
sly elk
😮 that's surprising
looking at what places would offer for our car if I sold it
carmax offered more than carvana and vroom
mild wigeon
I have a 144hz monitor but for some reason I'm unable to select 144hz in ff14, does anyone know a fix
deep sapphire
Yeah check nvidia
Make sure adaptive refresh is enabled (G Sync)
If using AMD make sure Freesync is enabled
sly elk
LOL
That’s partly why the new Chevy colorado is off my list because they moved the headlights controls to the touch screen only
I wanna assume it's because the headlights are automatic now but,... wtf?!
EW
IM FUCKING TIRED OF THIS SHIT
i'm surprised they didn't stick the parking brake control in there too
mild wigeon
like here?
Yes, It's configured to use at 144hz
Ok, turns out I had my game on the wrong resolution (was using a different monitor for a while)
sly elk
ahhh
mild wigeon
thanks for the help tho
sly elk
on a darker note
the comments in an arstechnica article about google laying off moms on maternity leave
Disclaimer: 1 of 12000, and the leader of the Layoff Discord Server
This article doesn't even touch on the actual organizational impact that these firings have had either. Half of my old team was wiped out and now the rest of the team is left to pickup pieces and have been on constant fire-fighting since the layoff.
this reply to that comment is just an absolute burn
At this rate it could be six years before we get around to discontinuing our team's product.
(it's a dig at how google often makes products, leaves them to rot, and cancels them)
sly elk
oh nooo
google fi on my fold4 refuses activate any sim cards lmao
GG google
oh wait maybe
ha there we go
forgot to turn the sim card back on
sly elk
looks like my google voice line is going to forever be a google voice line
royal forge
Is it true that torrenting damages SSDs?
sly elk
I don't know, I've never heard of that before
when you download torrents they're downloaded in many tiny fragments and assembled together
someone suggested using ramdisk for it, and I do think that's a nice idea if you can
well, now that I have a data plan on my fold4, I tested its 5g speed lol
107mbps down, 1.08mbps up
oh i see the problem is speedtest.net used a server in arizona
chose something in los angeles instead and now I get 204mbps down and 0.7mbps up 😄
oh that's surprising. switched back to my wifi and I'm only getting 237/210mbps....
sounds like it might be on 2.4ghz
hmm nope it's using 5ghz
weird
odd sand
I've figured out how to prevent my computer from waking from sleep constantly for no reason 
Fuck you modern standby!
wraith agate
Yeah windows used to wake my computer up at 3 AM and so did me
Since my computer is bright enough I use it as lamp at night
odd sand
Mine would sleep for 3 seconds and wake up every time and the event log always said "unknown" for what woke it from sleep so
inland mauve
I shut my computer down at night
wraith agate
Needless to say I was cursing like a sailor but I found a way to prevent it
odd sand
So I checkmarked to only allow the magic packet (wake on lan essentially) and it stopped the sleep from dropping
Otherwise I assume if you unchecked the box for allow this device to wake the computer it would also work.
wraith agate
I turned off everything, nothing wakes my PC up except me pressing the power button
odd sand
I don't like shutting down my PC fully bc I have docker and VMs and other shit running and its too annoying to start all that back up every morning
Couple VS code windows connected to containers or VM volumes etc.
wraith agate
I hate reopening everything and I do not want everything to boot again
Even with SSD steam takes too much time to start up
kindred brook
modern iris
!hank
opal pantherBOT
deep sapphire
!hank
opal pantherBOT
royal forge
!hank
opal pantherBOT
analog aspen
any suggestion for a good gpu fan curve other than msi?
FanControl doesnt work in AMD GPU
sly elk
!hank
opal pantherBOT
sly elk
FanControl doesnt work in AMD GPU
amd is pretty specific in wanting amd software
deep sapphire
!hank
sly elk
yea, amd adrenalin has a pretty nice fan curve setting thing in it
deep sapphire
!hank
opal pantherBOT
deep sapphire
odd sand
sly elk
Whoa
Ooooh
Discord kinda works better on my fold 4 now!
Sweet!
I don't have to restart it anymore
dull garnet
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
cerulean talon
Little pink, but I'll accept it this morning kupo
royal forge
That seems like the wrong link for the pic
I thought it might have been by nabi, an artist
dull garnet
adrenalin crashes randomly
celest violet
Don't think I understand the people who have issues with adrenaline. Used it for years no problem. Prefer it much more to Nvidia control panel
golden stream
I think I had it borked my bluetooth driver on w10
Linux is fine tho
celest violet
Adrenaline shouldn't do anything to your Bluetooth. Probably windows just being a flop like usual
Adrenaline was really only bad at radeon vii launch
But it got fixed fast
golden stream
It was on my usual Wed-Thu update day
W10 kinda gives me more headache, nuked from the orbit
celest violet
Windows is a fragile pos sometimes
celest violet
adrenalin crashes randomly
Have you tried ddu and then installing the most recent stable?
royal forge
I've convinced my house owner to just run a CAT 5 cable from the router downstairs to a secondary one on the first floor
I didnt even ask her to bury the cable or anything
Just get a fuckin 20m cable, and put in a plug
opal pantherBOT
fair parcel
deep sapphire
<:peepoWaterbottle:757356443878948944>
LMAO
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
celest violet
^ Cat girl mumei crazy
dull garnet
!hank
opal pantherBOT
cerulean talon
!hank
opal pantherBOT
potent arrow
@deep sapphire
sly elk
!hank
opal pantherBOT
wide hill
zzz
is there anything interesting to watch?
https://schedule.gdconf.com/
254 pages xd
too much to find to know what is the interesting parts
oh, showing just panels is a bit easier to see
celest violet
oh, showing just panels is a bit easier to see
Square enix president gonna be there to fight in the "do videogames need the blockchain" panel
wide hill
and integrated machine learning models to improve player engagement. Tatsuo Yoshida, Director of Data Science,
demonstrates the use of machine learning for major titles such as Final Fantasy XIV```i think this is for marketing though
most of these Square Enix speakers are just AI focused
* AI Summit: The Dimensional Curse of AAA Game Balancing: Data-Efficient and Robust
Reinforcement Learning
* AI Summit: Let Your Agents Plan Together: Multi-Agent Cooperation With GOAP
* AI Summit: Developing Adventure Game with Free Text Input using NLP
* Google Developer Summit: Scaling data & AI to increase player engagement & satisfaction at Square
Enix (Presented by Google)
* Emerging Issues at the Intersection of Film, TV and Video Games (Presented by Perkins Coie)```well AI is the future until something else trots along
wide hill
ff16 gdc next year? 
torpid kayak
AI replaces FF14 players when :3
a few months ago, I saw people laughing at AI being bad at drawing hands and feet
now, it seems improved
cant wait for SE's AI-developed game
deep sapphire
This world baseball classic is amazing
It’s nice to see team USA actually give a fuck
sly elk
murica!
modest moss
This world baseball classic is amazing
Team gb qualified bruh
And for 2026 too
That's all I know
deep sapphire
Team gb qualified bruh
modest moss
We were 40000-1 to win it apparently
deep sapphire
Japan is always tough, be interesting how the Mexico vs Japan game will turn out tomorrow
modest moss
Mexico beat us in our last game
You beat us 6 2
Canada beat us 18 8
We beat Colombia 7 5
Mexico beat us 2 1
modest moss
Shouldn't you be winning this easily
deep sapphire
Nobody gave a shit about it for some reason
modest moss
Weird
deep sapphire
You’d think right, Japan takes it extremely seriously and have the most titles
Japanese baseball culture is something else, they are obsessed
deep sapphire
Lmao this is like the biggest insult ever
Ichiro was furious
I think he said that was the biggest disgrace to him in his entire career
modest moss
I can't imagine gb ever being actually good
Anyone with bat and ball skills we be encouraged to play cricket instead
deep sapphire
Yeah, no fault to anyone there it’s just not a big game so hard to compete against Latin American and eastern Asian teams
Japan and Korea both have their own baseball leagues
Lmao
https://youtu.be/dzE0LGb6xLw baseball is good drama
sly elk
note to self: the camera on the fold 4 is atrocious
just utterly atrocious
like damn
it's a shame because you can take advantage of the folding aspect to make the phone stand on objects to take pictures
but the picture quality is awful
potent arrow
kyanche
out of curiosity does the gcam port work on it?
I had to install them on my samsungs because their processing tech is just better
Doesnt work on some of my phones tho
sly elk
idk i haven't tried it lol
i was just beating the hell out of a vw jetta in autonista XD
trying out that shifter i bought
i'm laughably terrible trying to race with a stick shift lmao
-totally wrecks car- -hits clutch and gas- -car missing bumpers jiggles back to life- XD
it's like those stupid youtuber videos except it's all fake woot
carmine osprey
anyone here uas. moba mouse
sly elk
that is one sketchy looking mobo
wraith agate
It's just lot of passive cooling
sly walrus
do they not sell 95cm closets?
analog aspen
Have you tried ddu and then installing the most recent stable?
yes
analog aspen
Don't think I understand the people who have issues with adrenaline. Used it for...
1st time installing after fresh W11 install now and this pop i have to ddu and re install xd.
torpid kayak
dip into white paint
torpid kayak
1st time installing after fresh W11 install now and this pop i have to ddu and r...
ddu?
torpid kayak
I heard windows update can screw your PC up if you do something funny during the update time
my PC at office suffered that fate. It seemed to shut down or something during a windows update, so it just gives me blue screen on booting
talking about windows update, I heard that a time when if you update amd driver the same time with window update, it prevents booting
conclusion: just turn off the damn thing lol
analog aspen
i have to do fresh install of w11 just to eliminate the gpu driver bug issue
im guessing ddu mess up or msi afterburner.
i just boot to safe mode to uninstall the gpu driver and use ddu then after that i installed the full installation and amd bug report pops.
atm im currently using the adrenalin manual fan curve and one multiple 3dmark dx11 benchmark
so far no crashes
and i didn't use ddu and no msi afterburner installed in my machine.
hopefully it will fix the issue.
celest violet
Afterburner not a necessity if it's stable
Win 11 just may not like the combo
11 is kinda rough around the edges
celest violet
ddu?
Ddu stands for Display driver Uninstaller.
It's a good way to make sure your drivers are completely uninstalled.
uneven spade
conclusion: just turn off the damn thing lol
turning off windows update is also a terrible idea tho
not to mention that you can't really turn it off fully on 10/11
uneven spade
1st time installing after fresh W11 install now and this pop i have to ddu and r...
I would suggest also disabling Core Isolation after every fresh install of Win11 as well
11 22H2 enables it by default and it might cause some issues with specific drivers + performance loss
which card you are running btw?
uneven spade
11 is kinda rough around the edges
I'm running the new OS since the Insider days tbh. ironically more stable than 10 in my case
even on unsupported rigs
also the Driver ABI between 10 and 11 hasn't changed at all
celest violet
Unfortunately have had basically the opposite experience with 10 being the more reliable one.
Where I work so many clients insist on getting windows 11, and it usually doesn't play well with their stuff
uneven spade
I remember dealing with 11 specific problems but this was on mostly AMD based platforms. tho those were also fixed through OS updates and BIOS updates
yep, if someone is running 11 on ryzen. then they need to make sure that they are on agesa 1.2.0.7 minimum
as AMD had a bug with their fTPM implementation
analog aspen
I would suggest also disabling Core Isolation after every fresh install of Win11...
it seems w11 home doesn't have core isolation features
uneven spade
it seems w11 home doesn't have core isolation features
should be on home as well
its on Windows Security
cerulean talon
Ah, windows, protecting me from my maximum performance.
uneven spade
Ah, windows, protecting me from my maximum performance.
the thing is, it does exist on Win10 as well but MSFT never enforced it until Win11 came around
HVCI/VBS is mostly a feature for the enterprise
for the normal user its virtually useless
cerulean talon
Yeh, my roomie turns all that stuff off via GPO so I don't have to think about it.,
Turn on a new machine, throw it on the domain, wait 2 hours for GPO to sync, and it's magically much nicer.
uneven spade
I just do everything with my own script
installation complete? Windows runs my own script, restart and ready
cerulean talon
Sensibly, roomie likes to run a domain tho, so why not be maximum-tier lazy?
uneven spade
Yeah I see 
I deal with GPO all the time at work but never bothered to make it at home
cerulean talon
The household is in a continual war, he's windows, I'm linux, and our network looks like hell due to it.
hard drift
cerulean talon
And yeah, I'd never setup a domain personally, but if he wants to run it, I'll mooch off it 100%
uneven spade
The household is in a continual war, he's windows, I'm linux, and our network lo...
Gentoo+Windows through QEMU/KVM here
analog aspen
cerulean talon
We've both got windows desktop, I use a janked up x10 forward to send shells from my main jumpbox to my desktop which gives me infra access to my linux nodes across the house.
I'm currently considering how to balance my want to video game + my want for a full linux desktop now that linux is imo reaching a state where running it full time desktopping wouldn't be awful.
Gentoo is a special level of suffering, I applaud your efforts tho.
:D
potent arrow
Turn on a new machine, throw it on the domain, wait 2 hours for GPO to sync, and...
Waiting 2hrs for GPO to sync
I've never felt a sentence more in my life
cerulean talon
>>Waiting 2hrs for GPO to sync
I've never felt a sentence more in my life
When we migrated from one domain to another, it took him 2 days to work out why the new domain wasn't pushing GPO to my desktop.
uneven spade
Gentoo is a special level of suffering, I applaud your efforts tho.
I played league of legends for over 10 years before quitting. nothing will amaze me at this point
cerulean talon
I played league of legends for over 10 years before quitting. nothing will amaze...
I've played eve-online for longer, there's still ways to suffer past the toxcity of LoL. :P
I'm almost retired at this point tho, probally gonna end that gaming addiction this year.
uneven spade
pretty much had enough with league. I still play CSGO with friends but shifted towards full time FF14
cerulean talon
Yeh, I dropped eve for savage raiding in XIV mostly. Did pick up D2 recently, though Factorio and Modded MC will always be my goto drug of choice.
inland mauve
back when I played EVE, I didn't realize how elitist and gatekeepey the community really is
cerulean talon
The group I play(ed) with is very EU centric now and it's a different world some days I don't enjoy as much now.
inland mauve
Modded MC is amazing
yesterday the BounceSMP modpack was finally released, a modpack built specifically for server play
I'm trying to drag my friends into playing it together but they're not exactly jumping with excitement
but because it's designed for server play, you have to choose a job the first time you join a world, and you cannot do everything by yourself
cerulean talon
I'm aiming to do iskall's pack here soon-ish.
inland mauve
so I cannot play it on my own 😔
cerulean talon
That's unfortunate, hope they come around.
uneven spade
Yeh, I dropped eve for savage raiding in XIV mostly. Did pick up D2 recently, t...
Actually, the person who suggested me to play the game was my mother
not even joking XD
cerulean talon
XIV or LoL?
uneven spade
XIV
cerulean talon
Haha.
uneven spade
yep. dad plays dota 2 and wow. mom is ffxiv and hots
cerulean talon
I did Eve with my father for ~5 years or so, I'd dabbled in XIV ~7-8 years ago, played through HW, left, then someone in my eve group started getting me interested again near the end of EW, and now I'm whole-hog savage raiding, while being bad, it's perfect.
Now he just plays Stars!, which is nearly as old as I am.
uneven spade
topkek
inland mauve
I'm trying my hand at ultimate raiding atm
started with uwu of course
it's intense but fun 😩
deep sapphire
!hank
opal pantherBOT
hard drift
https://videocardz.com/press-release/asus-officially-launches-geforce-rtx-4080-noctua-edition-at-1650-e1699-99 
at that price point might as well buy a 4090
odd sand
not to mention that you can't really turn it off fully on 10/11
You can delay it by like 2 months I think on Professional, and if you're domain joined you can actually postpone indefinitely bc they assume the device is being managed by WSUS
odd sand
Now he just plays Stars!, which is nearly as old as I am.
Oh shit, I never thought I'd find someone else that knew about that game If your dad really loves that game I could send you the original box as a present. I was going thru my stuff in my parents basement a few months ago and I still have the original box and everything (In very good condition if I remember correctly)
I remember always running out of fuel and having a fleet stranded somewhere for years while I tried to get another refueling fleet out to them.
uneven spade
You can delay it by like 2 months I think on Professional, and if you're domain ...
for domain, you need to have a WSUS server set up at first and define in GPO that WU should look at the "Intranet" as its primary source of updates.
odd sand
I didn't say it was easy, I said it was possible
potent arrow
When we migrated from one domain to another, it took him 2 days to work out why ...
Aaaaaa
uneven spade
and didn't notice to delay updates on Pro. neither in the settings. it might be hidden in GPO but not in the settings anymore since about 10 1703
uneven spade
<:omegabruh:700947094239969301>
Yeah, I def don't see that option and I'm running 11 Pro (might be because I'm on the Insider program)
Its possible to add more time options through regedit tho
odd sand
Also you can modify things here. This is where I set my parents PC to stick with Win10 bc it was trying to offer them 11 upgrade automagically
uneven spade
Also you can modify things here. This is where I set my parents PC to stick with...
ahh some of my friends went through the simpler way
disable the TPM in the BIOS 
cerulean talon
Oh shit, I never thought I'd find someone else that knew about that game <:haha:...
Hah, nice! Dad and I played many many years ago, he was very sad when supernova didn't come out.
cerulean talon
Aaaaaa
Just changed from a /24 to support the house's internal traffic to a /22, and jumbo frames broke on all our switches. 
We first detected the error when SMB stopped mounting properly, and the universe just kept collapsing from that point on, it was fun, do not suggest.
potent arrow
We first detected the error when SMB stopped mounting properly, and the universe...
I actually hate samba lmfao
It's just fucked
potent arrow
cerulean talon
Linux-linux NFS? Golden child of the universe. Linux-Windows? Hell.
cerulean talon
P.much.
That moment my roomie and I are both taking /24's for our personal traffic in the house.
cerulean talon
@potent arrow I need your opinion on my HP Apple MacBook Air - 2017 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690323050675306778/1087421123894972436/image.png
Ubiquiti is such a meme some days.
potent arrow
Well
I see one thing
And it makes me scream
It's hp
How did you fucking do this
cerulean talon
No idea.
cerulean talon
It's a printer