#technology-discussion

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real edge
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the jump from 900$ 4070ti to a 1000-1050$ 7900xtx might be worth it

inland mauve
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4070Ti is €989, 7900XTX is €1200

real edge
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and the 4080 is 1400 then?

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what about the 7900xt

inland mauve
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the XT is €950

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the 4080 is €1400

real edge
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hm

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6950xt/6900xt?

sharp star
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XFX RX 7900 XTX EX Edition

real edge
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1000euro for the 4070ti is too much

inland mauve
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7900 XT - €950
4070 Ti - €990
7900 XTX - €1200
4080 - €1400

real edge
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the 6900xt is 770euro in my country

inland mauve
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the 6950 XT is €790

real edge
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ohh huh

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consider that then

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if you do not care about rtx

inland mauve
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the 6900 XT is €1140

lost python
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lol what

real edge
inland mauve
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I care a little bit about ray tracing

lost python
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yeah unless you can somehow get your hands on a 3090 for the same price, but i highly doubt that

inland mauve
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but from what it sounds like the tech isn't quite there yet

sharp star
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3080 (Ti)?

torpid kayak
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weird case

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I love it :3

inland mauve
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I would love to play a game like Control with RT enabled

lost python
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its implemented like ass in most games and barely works right, but in those games it actually works decently though... 👀

inland mauve
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from what I heard, Control does it really well

lost python
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metro exodus too

real edge
lost python
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actual proper global illumination makes such a giant difference in how a game feels. much more than reflections imo

inland mauve
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well an upgrade is not a must buy for me

torpid kayak
inland mauve
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it's more that I'm getting a bit worried about my current system because it's been acting up a few times

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and the newest generation of games are causing some issues with it

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Elden Ring likes to stutter

lost python
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what kinda issues?=

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oh yeah but thats elden ring

inland mauve
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yeah but none of my friends have those issues and they have systems that are younger than five years old

lost python
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even i still have stutters here and there

inland mauve
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I mean stuff like hard crashes to desktop on loading

real edge
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ohh oops

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well

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but you get the point

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50-60fps in that game

inland mauve
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yeah an upgrade would be a pure luxury thing

lost python
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also dont get the 4070ti

inland mauve
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I'm not in the situation that I was five years ago, where my computer was a failing laptop with a GT 755M and a barely functional screen

real edge
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7900xtx is like 1120euro in greece and the 4080 is 1230 but its still crazy not worth it

lost python
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CTD on loading is such an unusual and hard to pinpoint issue though

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could be ram, could be the ssd, could be the gpu and/or its drivers

real edge
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4090 is 1730

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surprising for my dogshit country lmao

lost python
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cheapest is 1780 for me

real edge
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some of the cheapest gpu prices in the EU this generation

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but still overpriced as fuck

inland mauve
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cheapest for me is €1920

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what the fuck

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why is it so much cheaper for you Rob

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you're my neighbour 😠

real edge
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tbh the average wage here is 700euro

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no wonder gpu prices are cheaper than the norm

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despite EU

inland mauve
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Greece I can kind of understand

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but in Germany?

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it's just hopeless in the Netherlands, they probably think we all work for ASML 😔

real edge
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netherlands usually has had some of the best prices in the past

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from what I remember

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so this is unusual

inland mauve
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if all parts are cheaper in Germany, it might actually be cheaper for me to order parts there and have them shipped to my nanna, then go pick them up there

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it makes sense they'd be cheaper here

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we have an incredibly dense population, incredible infrastructure and a ton of webshops

lost python
inland mauve
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what is a good German electronics store?

lost python
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mindfactory and alternate

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ye

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mindfactory is usually the cheapest

real edge
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7900xtx is

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slightly better rasterization than 4080

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with ampere-like ray tracing

lost python
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also if you check out mindfactory, make sure to also check the mindstar and damn deals tabs for sales and cash-back/bundle promos

real edge
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the 4070ti is a 3090 with less vram and less memory bandwidth

inland mauve
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oh damn

real edge
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still not worth it imo

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4070ti price was as low here as 850 at some point

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its memory bandwidth is too shit

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192bit bus is dumb

sharp star
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Tie

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Tee Aye

lost python
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yeah fuck the 4070 honestly

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you are better off saving up for anything else or going with previous gen

real edge
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6950xt if you MUST BUY something right now

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otherwise wait

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amd drops the prices of its GPUs

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so the 7900xtx might become worth it eventually

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maybe at 1000$?

real edge
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also some problems disappear on their own

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my 1070 had some artifacting

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but I disabled shadowplay and DDUd my drivers

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they went away

outer sand
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soo seeing this ranking, what would be my GPU FPS on Forza Horizon 4 VR gaming? 🤔

real edge
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hm?

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just look at benchmarks on youtube

outer sand
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ah ok ty ty

real edge
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but

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my guess would be

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that you will have to lower settings and use FSR

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but ull be fine

outer sand
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so VR need more power yeah? 🤔

real edge
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a bit

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depends on the resolution of your headset

outer sand
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ohh there's a resolution on the headset as well, ic ic

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should I aim differently? like I think I read somewhere that 6600XT is made for 1080p gaming

golden stream
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I think ya

sharp star
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Please tell me it's not.

outer sand
outer sand
sharp star
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oh lol

outer sand
real edge
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VR headset has its own resolution

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read up on what res it is

outer sand
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ok ty ty

real edge
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if its close to 1440p then you will have to lower some settings

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but ull be fine

lost python
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VR headsets usually have 2 small screens that need to be powered so yes they eat a lot more resources than playing the same game non-vr

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But there are some open source projects that add FSR to VR games and that helps a little with performance if you are struggling

inland mauve
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if I look at benchmarks, the 13600K performs only slightly worse than the 13700K, but it's €110 cheaper

lost python
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13600k is a good cpu for the money for sure

inland mauve
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is there any reason to go for the 13700K instead then

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because from what it looks like the small increase in performance is absolutely not worth an extra €110

real edge
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what are you using the CPU for

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you need good DDR5 ram for the 13600k to outperform the 5800x3d in some games

deep sapphire
real edge
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and even then the difference is small

deep sapphire
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Gotta love companies releasing meaningless products

inland mauve
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well basically this is a list of components that I have currently compiled

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I haven't added any GPU yet

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so this combination of CPU and DDR5 RAM will outperform the 5800X3D but only in some games?

umbral moss
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I mean, consider how many of "those games" you care about

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if you're just going to play, like, FFXIV you can buy either lmao

real edge
inland mauve
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and cost about the same

real edge
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in games where vcache matters

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the 5800x3d wrecks everything

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but in games that do not use it

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they are about the same

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and in games where cpu IPC matters a lot

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the 13600k is a bit ahead

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it all depends on the type of game

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for every CSGO

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or plague tale requiem

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you have a factorio

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in some games they are neck and neck

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it depends on the games you play

rigid hill
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Damn Ruben 9 that goodbye

real edge
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sim games? mmos?

inland mauve
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kind of a mix

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action games like Elden Ring

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management games like Cities: Skylines and Satisfactory

real edge
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ohh

modest moss
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do you do much that isn't gaming?

real edge
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5800x3d destroys cities skylines

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lol

inland mauve
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yeah I do a lot

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I am often multitasking on my PC

modest moss
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things like video editing I'd bet the 13600k would win, but I could be wrong

inland mauve
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lately I have a heavily modded version of Minecraft called Nomifactory open at the same time as Twitch and BlueStacks with Arknights

real edge
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yes

deep sapphire
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How is a half disabled 7950X such a massive leap

real edge
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productivity workloads the 13600k is much better

real edge
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so disabling one CCD removes latency

deep sapphire
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AMD really shot themselves in the foot making that design choice

real edge
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improving performance

modest moss
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I think I'd go 13600k at this point, but you'd probably be happy with either

deep sapphire
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The 7950X and 7900X make almost no sense for the price point

inland mauve
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the 13600k seems like a good pick

real edge
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it is

deep sapphire
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Wait for the 7800X if you want an X3D chip

inland mauve
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great performance vs price ratio on the high end

real edge
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that type of multitasking ain't much tbh

inland mauve
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so the only thing that I am in total doubt about is the GPU

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I really don't know what to go for

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the 4070 Ti is hampered by that weird memory bus

real edge
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in sim games you are going to run them with the 5800x3d a lot faster than the 13600k

inland mauve
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but the 4080 and 4090 seem like they're priced too high

real edge
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like factorio or cities skylines

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but some games like plague run better on the intel cause they never use vcache

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theres quite some variance

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do not buy a cpu right now

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gpu*

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and if you have to get something used

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the used market is rife with 6900xts and 6950xts

inland mauve
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so that is the conclusion? it's just not a good time to buy a GPU?

real edge
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ye

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too expensive

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unless used

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and if you HAVE to

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then the 6700xt

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is cheap

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350euro or sth

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for decent to good 1440p performance

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or

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a used 6900xt/6950xt

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this is cyberpunk where both vcache and IPC matter

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check the used market

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see if you can find a 6900xt or 6950xt somewhere cheap

modest moss
inland mauve
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impatience is high, need not so much except for just certain games to be honest

inland mauve
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because of the aforementioned issues with the DIMM slots on my mobo and the risk that it is going to break down one day

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do I give in to my mind goblin dracnervous

real edge
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if you have to then getting a used GPU is a good idea

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more performance per dollar

modest moss
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you have to decide whether fun now will put you at an unacceptable financial position

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not a fan of buying used components personally, I like a warranty

real edge
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some used gpus are sold with a warranty still available

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but only some

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it depends

inland mauve
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oh no my financial position is fine

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like, I don't have infinite money, but it's not like I won't be able to eat if I buy a 4090 or something like that

modest moss
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I don't expect tech to ever be reasonably priced again

inland mauve
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but at the same time I don't want to overspend

modest moss
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if you buy a 4090 you probably need to buff the whole build and go above i5

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would add a ton of cost

real edge
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tbh

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if you want a brand new gpu right now

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your best bet would be that 6950xt you told me about for 770euro

inland mauve
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I wish I could justify the 4090 but the cheapest one is €1900

modest moss
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that doesn't sound like a horrible price

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the 6950xt I mean

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I'd normally prefer nvidia, but eh if the price difference is extreme

real edge
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or a used gpu

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the current gen gpus are too highly priced

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not worth it

inland mauve
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€990 for a 4070Ti, €1360 for a 4080, €1910 for a 4090

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siiiigh

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if those prices were even 30% less each I would've probably already hit the purchase button

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but them being so inflated is the main thing holding me back

real edge
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the 6950xt has the performance of the 4070ti or around that except in ray tracing

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with better memory bandwidth

inland mauve
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yeah but the raytracing is a selling point for me

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even though I know that it's still not quite there yet

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if I am going to upgrade, I would like it to be a setup that can handle raytracing up to some level

modest moss
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what can you get a 3080 for, and what resolution do you use?

real edge
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the only gpu that handle ray tracing well enough is the 4090

golden stream
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ya ^

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and also maybe the av1 format handling

real edge
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the 4080 is below par in raytracing even if its a good step up

inland mauve
modest moss
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I mean, I played cyberpunk with a bunch of rtx settings on with dlss at 1440p and it looked great and performed pretty well, so it depends on your expectations

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with 12700k and 3070ti

real edge
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that too ^

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what I consider up to par might be a high standard

modest moss
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if money isn't an issue like you say, it might be worth looking at spending the extra and going 13700k and 4080, that should last a good few years

real edge
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buy a 7900xtx from germany

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if you think the 4080 is too expensive

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1100euro or so

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and you get 4080+ raster with the ray tracing of a 3090 or so

modest moss
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just be aware if you buy amd you'll get bullied by the tech mentors manderville

real edge
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true

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price to performance is king for me so this gen I cannot recommend nvidia with enough conscience

inland mauve
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I'm not opposed to AMD, the problem is that I don't know anything about AMD products

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with Intel and Nvidia, I at least have an inkling of how it all works and compares

modest moss
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I'm not sure I'd recommend gigabyte gpus though so if you buy AMD from where Nhad is suggesting probably go Sapphire, afaik they've always had a solid rep for AMD GPUs

celest violet
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Sapphire is goat

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I had a sapphire rx 590 and a sapphire radeon vii

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both still run

modest moss
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friend of mine had a gigabyte 3090 die after 18 months and found a bunch of reports of gigabytes dying

celest violet
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I was honestly sad that when I 'upgraded' to my 3080 I had to turn down settings from my radeon vii cause of vram

modest moss
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I bought my wife a sapphire (I think) 4850 back in the day and it was great

real edge
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with rtx in mind the 7900xtx is the only product with a price that is not absolutely nuts that still has reasonable ray tracing performance

celest violet
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only game I rtx on is minecraft

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if we dont count reshade raytracing

modest moss
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personally if I were Rad I'd find the extra and nab the 4080 I think

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but the 7900 would be great anyway most likely

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4080 does cost a lot but feels quite a safe bet to get 4-5 years from

celest violet
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4080 plugs are scary frfr

real edge
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the 7900xtx runs on 8pin connectors mind you

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while the 4080 runs on new connectors

celest violet
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if I upgraded from my 3080 i'd go to a 7900

modest moss
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god I hate tech, it's all so complicated and unreliable now

celest violet
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if only i could get a decent price for my 3080

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I do like that my 3080 is liquid cooled tho

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never have to worry about the temps

restive bobcat
odd sand
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I have no idea what my GPU temps are. I like to leave it as a black box that just works /s

deep sapphire
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Quality control has gone to total shit in the last couple years

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Doesn’t help that a massive amount of senior employees retired during the pandemic and you have all these new employees who don’t know shit

modest moss
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I sometimes wonder if it's us getting older and grumpier, but back in the day you might spend a little more time setting up windows or your LAN, but once you had it'd work for ages rather than windows randomly shitting the bed on a forced update

deep sapphire
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There’s this old guy at my work named George he’s been here almost 50 years and he always teaches me something I’d never know.

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Having people like that around is invaluable

deep sapphire
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In windows 8 it worked wonderfully now it can’t find shit

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I’ll type in an application in the search and it’ll show a bing result

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Like ???

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The start menu has become essentially useless

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You use to be able to glance at all your applications real easy now you gotta scroll forever to find shit

modest moss
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bring back 98se

sharp star
odd sand
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Bc clicking on desktop shortcuts is so 2005

torpid kayak
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is a mesh PC case must-have? Or as long as the front can let air in, it works?

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Fractal is not welcomed cuz I cannot access them, btw XD

real edge
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a pc case is mostly about

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airflow and looks

sharp star
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oh my 2 AM ass misread

sly elk
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fractal too normie for me

inland mauve
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anyone here have experience with NZXT cases

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I'm looking at the NZXT H5 Flow, looks like a nice case

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and not as expensive as the Fractal Defines

jaunty light
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oh im sorry mr. antec 900, i have a silverstone tj07

sly elk
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lol

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lian lis were always cool, what are you talking about?

jaunty light
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didn't realize these custom builds were so pedestrian

sly elk
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i remember when like 90% of pc builds were chieftec dragons

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and the forum thread was like

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ahhh yes another one

jaunty light
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theres cool and theres mainstream cool, nobody was affording lian li then

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at least if i remember right, the dude that always had a lian li had the 400, 500usd ones

sly elk
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go get a fractal north and act like you're better than anyone who bought an o11 haha

jaunty light
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basically, what everyone doesn't have

sly elk
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i hear it comes with a fake shrubbery for the desk

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dw I'm not serious about cases 😄

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a computer build is a computer build and I like them all the same 😉

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but if you talk shit about rgb imma grumble!

jaunty light
umbral moss
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RGB is the worst

jaunty light
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rgb is another tool in the toolbox ur just old

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back to unsleeved rainbow PSU cables and brown pcb for you fool

sly elk
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I am older than most of the people that complain about rgb haha

umbral moss
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it just makes everyone around you hate you

jaunty light
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thankfully nobody sits around my pc but me

sly elk
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yea some punk ass 20 year old walks by me and atlks about how trashy rgb is, imma clock them

sly elk
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preferably with their stupid fractal case with the beige noctua fans

jaunty light
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love my noctuas

sly elk
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if ya want retro fans get some delta fans!

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like it's 1995 all over again

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seems GM's having problems with their batteries catching on fire again

umbral moss
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GM quality as usual

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can't wait for honda EV sales to eat shit because they're using the same platform

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Apparently, the sealing won't keep water out at 24 inches deep.

sly elk
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to be fair, 24" of water is a lot to ask for a car. a honda anyway.

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for a hummer it should be nothing though lol.

umbral moss
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ultium is the underpinning for both GM and honda EV platforms

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so if the hummer pack can't handle 24 inches of water, none of them can

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0-60 3.0s, 9000lb, handles like a Hummer on 305/70/18s, 211 ft stopping distance (from 70), 540 ft from 100.

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211 foot stopping distance lmao

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I can stop sooner than that using my goddamn transmission alone

torpid kayak
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how hot a 5800x3d can be for non-overclock gaming? 🤔

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I heard it is toasty

sharp star
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I ran it under both air and liquid, both are fine

inland mauve
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why are Gigabyte GPUs like 100-200 euroes cheaper than the other brands

modest moss
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it's not bad, bit small for my fat fingers but I got it done

inland mauve
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I haven't decided yet whether to build the new PC in the NZXT or move my old PC over into it and build the new one in my existing Define R6

torpid kayak
inland mauve
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the Define R6 is bigger and has more room

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but that NZXT supports the latest USB standards for its external ports

real edge
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idk what peerless assassin is

modest moss
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H5 is apparently 3/4 inch wider allowing better cable wiggle room, I'd have like that

torpid kayak
real edge
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I just go with the deepcool ak500 cause I know it works

sharp star
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Thermalright

modest moss
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I went with noctua, no regrets

inland mauve
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noctua is great

torpid kayak
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I would go for it but I wish there is another color 😦

inland mauve
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there is

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they released a version in total black

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but it's a bit more expensive

torpid kayak
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I see a black Noctua, but it is kinda smol

inland mauve
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there should literally just be a black version of the NH-D15

sharp star
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I just went AIO instead and got a Liquid Freezer II

modest moss
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I have the black

torpid kayak
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too smol?

real edge
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that is too old

torpid kayak
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at this price I would just go AK620 :shy:

real edge
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it will not cool the cpu

modest moss
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the black NH-D15 was actually cheaper than the regular version when I bought it

torpid kayak
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$150 roughly

real edge
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too expensive

modest moss
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that's overpriced for sure

sharp star
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yikes

torpid kayak
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I fear one day it will fall and crush the card XD

sharp star
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nah the mounting is actually really good

modest moss
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the price has gone up here, I paid £87 and amazon want £105 now

torpid kayak
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$88.91 for DeepCold Ak620

real edge
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still pricey when compared to its normal price

modest moss
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much better buy, but yeah you're still getting stung

torpid kayak
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if I don't use Noctua

modest moss
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Momo what cpu are you buying?

inland mauve
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the temptation to whale on a 4090 dracnervous

torpid kayak
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5800x3d

torpid kayak
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and budget get streched again XD

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I want 60 FPS hunt train!

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and full glory Limsa cat dancers

modest moss
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quick google makes it look like that thermalright would be fine

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although Vietnam probably has higher ambient temps than a lot of places I'd guess

torpid kayak
torpid kayak
sharp star
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I swapped back to my Torrent because it’s getting toasty

modest moss
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theoretically, as long as you don't mind noise, you could push the fans hard and expect to replace them a little sooner

real edge
torpid kayak
real edge
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im watching some benchmarks to see how that thing performs

modest moss
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I bet it's fine

torpid kayak
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the ID-Cooling one looks okay 🤔

sharp star
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I think the ID-Cooling Pinkflow is one of the most unfortunately-named cooling products on the market

real edge
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most reviews have it as good performance but noisy

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so if noise does not bother you go for it I guess

lament pine
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1 minute catgirls for the tech nerds

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modest moss
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if you do this I'll behave forever

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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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modest moss
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!hank

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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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modest moss
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Gist loves tech

dawn cave
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Lmfao

modest moss
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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lament pine
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i knew this would happen

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dont ask me how i knew

modest moss
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we promise not to let it ruin any actual tech chat

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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jaunty light
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hank is a cute OL?

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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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sly elk
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bet the dude has no problem producing doujins though 😛

torpid kayak
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what doujin :3

opal pantherBOT
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torpid kayak
deep sapphire
umbral moss
umbral moss
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we're one step past replacing "fuck" with "duck" now

uncut cape
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Welp, got another speaker after the one I bought yesterday broke, and this time I spent a little more for a better quality one

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Of course the speaker looking like a boom box was obligatory

uncut cape
#

Probably due to the angle

jaunty light
uncut cape
jaunty light
#

if (PAIN) because (TOUCHED SURFACE) is (HOT), then (END TOUCHING)

uncut cape
umbral moss
#

let's find out

jaunty light
#

our creators programmed that into us

uncut cape
#

You know, if according to religion pain was invented as a punishment or something, what does that make of masochists

modest moss
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
げる | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/89246347
jaunty light
modest moss
#

pitiful cat girl, not enough fur

uncut cape
#

!hank

jaunty light
#

shue morphed into a real furry.. lose a bet?

uncut cape
#

How did this movie even pass

inland mauve
#

I placed an order for the PC parts

#

that was too much money nervous

#

but thank you all for your advice over the past few days

#

it helped me put together a well-informed list of components

#

and justify some of the more expensive ones to myself

modest moss
inland mauve
modest moss
#

13600k and 4090?

inland mauve
#

13700KF and 4090

modest moss
#

shiny

inland mauve
#

in return I've decided to finally go through some of my old subscriptions and cancel them

#

so that should earn itself back by the time it becomes outdated

modest moss
#

of course now you need a fancy 4k monitor too

inland mauve
#

maybe at a later date

#

for now I have a 1440p 165hz with very low latency

modest moss
#

you'll cap that in just about everything, and then some

inland mauve
#

maybe this machine can finally run Crysis

#

and the next space program of the NASA

real edge
#

but congrats

#

enjoy

lost python
#

god damn

#

i hope your PSU is ready for that

inland mauve
#

I thought about it really long and really hard

#

and then I realized that we are probably all dead in five years anyway

lost python
#

fair

#

better get a big TV then too for some actually good HDR gaming

inland mauve
#

I ordered a more powerful PSU as well

real edge
sly elk
#

I can't wait to see the results!

real edge
#

waiting for the 7800x3d might have been a good choice there

sly elk
#

I think maybe that'll be my cue to upgrade haha

real edge
#

but still good

torpid kayak
#

too many x3d. Time to put my PC into a freezer

sly elk
#

i want the best balance of performance per watt because I don't need my computer getting hella loud when gaming

torpid kayak
#

try mineral oil submerging build :3

odd sand
# deep sapphire

To be more lifelike, all the Then statements need to be tied to an odds table powered by rand(int) where instead of doing the logical thing, they do something else that's probably less efficient or self-inflicting vivsmug

#

Average college student: Exam is coming up in a week, you need to study. Odds table where 75% of the choices are Wait(86400); haha

sharp star
#

yeah

#

GN called the 7900X3D a waste of sand without using those exact words

#

I think someone called the 5800X3D AMD’s GTX 1080

#

something so good and priced so well

umbral moss
#

the 7950X3D is absolutely something designed to coast on the success of its predecessor, like the 2080 over the 1080

#

just more expensive and somehow significantly worse

inland mauve
wide hill
#

doesn't 7950x3d sound like the top-end chip?

lost python
#

Imagine a time in the future when you can spend a lot of money on top end hardware and it just works.
No funky drivers, no weird issues that cause it to spontaneously combust, no overheat because the card is horizontal instead of vertical...

sly elk
#

I kinda want an actual usb-c hub

#

not a thunderbolt laptop dock

#

just a regular usb3 hub that has usb-c ports

#

oh they DO exist

#

I might have to grab one of those so I have some convenient usb-c ports on my desk

cerulean talon
#

They're super nice.

sly elk
#

yea it's kinda stupid that for the most part, monitors and keyboards and stuff aren't using them.

#

i mean, some are. maybe even a growing number lol. idk.

#

to be fair....

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derp and now I'm on that nostalgia kool-aid

#

I miss when they actually advertised that hahahaha

dusty otter
#

sorry is 13600k + 6700 xt good enough for Diablo 4 ARPG and FF14 MMO?

modest moss
#

easily FFXIV, idk about D4

dusty otter
#

cheers tyvm

modest moss
#

should run great

potent arrow
#

nice pfp shue

modest moss
#

which one do you prefer

#

I got 12 AI cursed versions of the one Gin drew

potent arrow
#

this

modest moss
#

sold

torpid kayak
#

hm go back to 12600k or 5600
5800x3d looks nice, but it is x2 the price and I gotta invest more in airflow case and cooler/fans to keep the heat down
Plus I dunno buying a CPU only for FF14 justified the trouble :shy:

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
#

It’s okay I have a 6700K

#

Old PC buddies

#

Either option is fine, the AMD setup would be much more efficient

#

You’ll see massive gains regardless

torpid kayak
#

uh huh

deep sapphire
#

I’d choose whatever is more affordable for you if you’re in a tight budget

torpid kayak
#

12600k is usually get a discount to 5600X price when I build a PC with it

#

my budget is weird. It can stretch, but every time it stretches, it hurts my kokoro

deep sapphire
#

Well my suggestion to you is to save your money until you are ready to buy every part at once

torpid kayak
#

yeah that's my plan. I give myself a month or two to research. My build changes a lot from 3060 to 3070 to 3070 ti to 3080 to 6800 XT, from 12600k to 5600 to 5800x3d

#

I stop myself at 3080/6800 XT

deep sapphire
#

!hank

#

Yeah good idea

#

Kupo is slow tonight

torpid kayak
#

too much cat girls logging the data flow

opal pantherBOT
#
かえで | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/88682108
torpid kayak
#

add some fox girls to smooth it out :3

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
#

LMAO

torpid kayak
#

hm are games made by Unity CPU or GPU bound?

#

google said they CPU-bound :d

deep sapphire
#

@hard drift

#

Didn’t you say the new X3D chips would BLOW Intel out of the water

hard drift
#

If both ccds used vcache it would’ve been great

#

But to keep the same price they were fucking dumb

deep sapphire
#

AMD IS DONE

#

INTEL IS THE BEST

hard drift
#

nah, they just need to not promise to launch at the same price point as current products

deep sapphire
#

7800X will be a good chip

#

7950 and 7900 feel like scams

hard drift
#

yeah, but the 7950x3d could've been great had both ccds had fucking vcache

#

not this one has it one doesn't and applications may fail to select the one they need

rigid hill
hard drift
#

or guarantee that the user gets what they pay for not this stupid "up to 1gig" BS

deep sapphire
#

It just seems like AMD used this to offload chiplets

#

The excuse of “costing too much” sounds more like “tooling would cost too much”

hard drift
#

i have a feeling next gen they'll do both with x3d rather than this current gen and gamers will see it and be in awe

#

what they did this time around, 7800x3d just makes sense over the whole lineup

#

the greatest things these new chips have over intel is damn powerdraw because holy shit the x3d chips are efficient

deep sapphire
#

At full core load sure

#

At idle and average load Intel is slightly better

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
hard drift
#

not just idle/average

#

amd just did right for powerdraw dorime

torpid kayak
#

be one with Apple

#

when Westwood still existed and EA Games was not suck.

hard drift
#

what is a westwood HMM

deep sapphire
#

KS is a niche sku designed for overclocking and nothing else

hard drift
#

and the 7950x3d is a niche sku smugdori

deep sapphire
#

Just add 100 MHz to a 13900K there you go

hard drift
#

go ahead, argue it SCGgun

deep sapphire
#

Yeah it’s niche in that nobody should buy it

hard drift
#

not wrong this time

#

FUCKING HORRIBLE CHOICE AMD

torpid kayak
#

I see a used Inno3d 3080 that claims to "have exchanged for a replacement". Make me wonder why it gets a replacement in the first place 🤔

hard drift
#

now the next thing that's going to kill me is if nvidia keeps making money moves on these features namazuconcern going to make me go team green with all these features i'd actually use 😭

torpid kayak
#

Nvidia is temporary, AMD is fleeting, Integrated graphic Intel is forever

hard drift
#

integrated intel runs like shit haha

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
#

AMD is just bad

#

Scams customers

torpid kayak
#

mobo's intergrated graphic

deep sapphire
#

Requires Xbox app to even work

hard drift
deep sapphire
#

It’s true

#

It runs like shit without it

hard drift
odd sand
odd sand
#

Yeah, like that.

#

They remastered RA1, I'd like to see RA2 remastered with the ability to play pvp without the expan units and modern non-dogshit matchmaking.

#

That was the biggest problem with RA2 back then was it took like 5mins to load and someone would get dropped during loading 75% of the time lol

sly elk
#

Soooooo it's basically a Chevy haha

#

it runs like shit but it never breaks all the way

#

somewhere, somehow, someone's still using a gma950 for gaming

paper tusk
#

and probably screaming on twitter that the most modern game they can play is Omori

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
torpid kayak
#

I keep reading people doing cinebench and heating their 5800x3d to 90 Celsius degree. I wonder normal gaming like FF14 would make the CPU hit that kind of temperature 🤔

modest moss
#

no

torpid kayak
#

I assume they test it for overclocking potential?

modest moss
#

I don't think you can OC that chip, but not sure

#

they're likely just benchmarking the system as a whole with storage/ram I'd imagine

torpid kayak
#
#

roughly US$360 + a free AIO 🤔

hard drift
sly elk
#

i like how they put away their steering wheel but left the shifter attached

#

they should use it to select virtual desktops or something lol

wintry drift
#

it's a c clamp to undo that shifter iirc

#

pain in the ass to do it every time

sly elk
#

yea that's.. why i want a wheel stand xD

odd sand
#

I mean, so is the wheel...

torpid kayak
#

7700x is like $15 higher than 5800x3d. Performance seems roughly the same, save for that 7700x seems to less hot? 🤔

#

but it only uses DDR5 RAM. Meh, nvm :shy:

real edge
#

DDR5 ram is cheaper but

#

its still kinda sorta pricey

#

need DDR5 6000mhz to get maximum performance

#

and a 6000mhz ddr5 cl30 kit is about

#

200 euro here?

golden stream
#

^ and also the issue of DDR5 mobo are expensib as HECC

torpid kayak
#

hm the more I check 5800x3d, the less impressive it becomes in my eyes 🤔
5800x3d - $378.97
12600k - $210.35
5600x - $201.92
5600 - $158.08

#

nearly x2 the price, but FPS gain is only noticeable in a few games like FF14. Don't see the worth :shy:

real edge
#

well what other games do you play

#

also 5600x to 5800x3d is a big jump

#

what is the price of the 13600k

torpid kayak
#

I play FF14 but in unsub for now. Other games are often non-AAA games

torpid kayak
real edge
#

the jump to intel is pretty big in terms of motherboard cost + ddr5 ram

#

depends on local pricing

dusty otter
#

r u aloud to use ddr4 for intel? or too much bottleneck?

real edge
#

too much bottleneck

torpid kayak
#

well I plan 16GB DDR4 3200mhz RAM

real edge
#

tbh I'd recommend 32gigs

dusty otter
#

ohh good choice momo

#

nvm 32gb betterhaha

real edge
#

for 5 years

#

the corsair kit I gave you seemed neat for the price

#

yea

#

local pricing for intel boards seems shit over there

dusty otter
#

sorry is there bottleneck if use 12th gen intel board with 13th gen CPU?

real edge
#

z690 boards are overkill

royal forge
#

Uhh

#

Ye

#

Z series are... overkill

real edge
#

if you use one with 13th gen cpus its fine

torpid kayak
real edge
#

some games also suck up quite some ram as of late

#

16gigs is still ok but I doubt its longevity for 5 more years

torpid kayak
#

currently, my PC is eating 6.7 GB 😄

#

btw, I think B660 mobo can host 13th gen? Require some bios upgrade, I believe

real edge
#

they can but ehh

dusty otter
#

any thoughts if I should pair 6700 xt (used market) or 7900 xt with a 13600k chip?
I only play ff14 mmo and diablo 4 arpg atm. at 1440p

if I go with 6700 xt I dont have to upgrade my PSU yet, and can upgrade again sooner
when a shooter title ie. CoD or Battlefield or GTA6? catch my interest.

if I go with 7900 xt I would pretty much upgrade everything all at once.
(some youtubers keep saying current gen gfx card not great value, not sure if they are just haters though)

I am coming from 7th gen Intel i5 7600k and gtx 1060 6gb.

lost python
#

depends on how much money you want to spend honestly
but if you just play those games rn and if you want to save a little, then id just go with the 6700

real edge
#

definitely not the 7900xt

#

the 6700xt is great value

#

go with that

dusty otter
#

ok cool cheers ty both!

lost python
#

with a bit of luck you might be able to find a 6750xt or 6800xt for a similar price

real edge
#

^

dusty otter
#

its weird i dun think the xx'50 series launched in my country hong kong xD

#

like no one has them, but ya ill see if can fit 6800 in budget

real edge
#

if its worthwhile value for money

sharp star
inland mauve
#

bruh yesterday my package tracking code said it would be delivered today but today it suddenly says the package wasn't received yet and has no estimated delivery time

#

it's going to be a saturday delivery for sure

proven spade
#

hey guys, so I got hit hard from asus QC

#

dark kingpin isn't available, can you suggest me an enthusiast or at least high-end motherboard? budget is 600EUR max

lost python
real edge
#

not surprising

#

its not good value at all

#

if if was 600 then it would be

#

it dropped here as well

#

by a big amount

sharp star
#

I think they should drop the price more and that’ll be a final nail in the coffin for the 4070 Ti

dapper nymph
#

decided to check up what's on the back of my motherboard, turns out it was a common thing for the msi series of x570, using the gaming plus.
well, i don't have the alcohol to clean up the vrm "oil" it has on the back

real edge
sly elk
#

Huh

sly elk
real edge
#

uhh

#

I guess it was on your end?

modest moss
#

lag shows me some usernames in white sometimes, I check and they're still in the server

#

thanks discord

torpid kayak
lost python
#

lol

potent arrow
#

@grand ibex GUESS WHAT'S MISSING

torpid kayak
lost python
#

oof

torpid kayak
#

it certainly shows its age

#

my PC

potent arrow
#

960...

sly elk
#

https://nuphy.com/products/air75
been seeing that in mac setups on reddit a lot lately

NuPhy®

NuPhy Air75 is an innovative 75% ultra-slim wireless mechanical keyboard. With the world’s thinnest PBT spherical keycap, low-latency 2.4G wireless connection, and hot-swappable function, Air75 aims to become the new standard for slim mechanical keyboards.

#

or should i say, I've seen it a few times now *

potent arrow
#

Ewwww compact boarrrdsss

torpid kayak
deep sapphire
potent arrow
#

LOL

#

Ugh

#

I hate discord

deep sapphire
#

Ikr

#

It’s so bad

potent arrow
#

Does that Hank have my 10mm

deep sapphire
potent arrow
#

Please

wraith agate
#

Maybe they should have made them better

#

It's like what... 3% gain over the 3000 series?

dull garnet
#

No...

real edge
#

its a big gain over the 3000 series

#

but they are overpriced

#

so nobodys buying em

sly elk
#

I don't understand that

#

aren't they on paper worse spec-wise?

#

like narrower data bus for the ram or something?

real edge
#

better nanimeter process

#

but yes bus widths are lessened across the board

#

but still the 40 series has some big gains over the 30 series, its the price that is the problem

sly elk
#

meh. the only thing that would make me upgrade right now... is a quieter gpu.. omigosh this thing's too loud

real edge
#

I have a 1070 so I want to upgrade but these prices prohibit me from doing so

sly elk
#

man i wonder if there's any water cooling option that doesn't cost $300+

#

sadly an nzxt kraken adapter won't work on these

golden stream
hard drift
dull garnet
#

keeb = asmr youtuber lingo

paper tusk
#

3080 is a much better value (in the settled down post scalping price) but it's obviously not exactly an option anymore (edit: as new old stock)

dull garnet
#

Kinda messed up a 2 year old video card is a good option

kindred brook
deep sapphire
hard drift
deep sapphire
#

The basic contemporary form of socket is hexagonal, referred to as "6-point" for the pointed intersections where its six solid sided facets meet. These are attached to the driving tool via a male/female square connection fitting (called the square drive). Standard sizes of square drives around the world include 1⁄4, 3⁄8, 1⁄2, 3⁄4, 1, 1+1⁄2, 2+1⁄2 and 3+1⁄2 in (6.4, 9.5, 12.7, 19.1, 25.4, 38.1, 63.5 and 88.9 mm) square drive sizes (a de facto international standard with no metric equivalents)

#

USA USA USA

#

why

#

its a bad video card

hard drift
#

i never said anybody should buy it but it's actually in stock deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp

deep sapphire
#

so why are your advertising it

#

AMDGUy

hard drift
#

😒

deep sapphire
hard drift
deep sapphire
#

the world is funky when it comes to standards

hard drift
deep sapphire
#

like oil viscosity being measured in SAE globally

#

THATS A BIG SOCKET BABY

hard drift
deep sapphire
#

120 bucks

#

for that one socket

hard drift
#

JESUS CHRIST HANK

#

free delivery tomorrow gotta order now

deep sapphire
#

we have some 3/4 drive sockets at work

#

largest is only 2"

#

never used it for anything

#

koken sockets are the best looking

hard drift
deep sapphire
#

you just do everything opposite of me

hard drift
#

nah, i prefer darker less shiny metal lol

deep sapphire
#

impact sockets are ugly

#

chrome sockets are nice and easy to clean

#

impact attract shit and rust

hard drift
#

i don't like chrome though 😭

deep sapphire
#

wow

#

I thought AMD was the best

sharp star
#

Xbox Game Bar is a crappy way of making use of that extra CCD

deep sapphire
#

amirite

#

🤣

#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
汰 | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/95282300
royal forge
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
花糸Kashi | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/79565443
deep sapphire
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
Nannung | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/92388600
modest moss
#

@vestal crane cat girls here, 60s cooldown

vestal crane
#

Oh shit

#

I saw it in Hankshell but its finally here

cerulean talon
#

The fact it got pulled to 60s is a meme.

#

!catgirl

opal pantherBOT
#
UNKNOWN | https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5585042
cerulean talon
#

A meme I approve of, but a meme none the less.

modest moss
#

my legacy

cerulean talon
#

Time to hardcode a 1 s increase any time it's called. nods

vestal crane
#

Do it

cerulean talon
#

Mod approval for command abuse confirmed.

#

Do need to add a timeout edit command at some point, but :effort:

hard drift
#

nooooo not meara too

deep sapphire
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
桃稚ちあ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/92250862
royal forge
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
タン塩 | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/97993202
#
karory | https://yande.re/post/show/705365
royal forge
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
剣時 | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/87952761
royal forge
#

Nice

deep sapphire
hard drift
deep sapphire
hard drift
#

you heard me smugdori

sly elk
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
森乃ヒグマ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/96927690
sly elk
#

cute

sly elk
#

when you get your spark plugs done at jiffy lube

torpid kayak
#

I used to use userbenchmark site for fun (mostly to see how outdated my build compared to a more recent build). Didn't notice they are now full anti-AMD

real edge
#

they are

#

they are turds who spread misinformation

#

and the sad thing is, because of people ignorant for tech googling for "vs" stuff, they are continuously at the top of google results

royal forge
#

yep

paper tusk
#

I've been doing some cpu comparing lately (since need a new bed side laptop) and most of the top results are complete shit

torpid kayak
#

hm this shop is so lacking of product diversity. Some items that have to choose as replacements are overpriced compared to other shops, and they even have a fanless case, which is supposed to have pre-installed fans. (perhaps plucking them out to sell to other customers). The only thing you can give them a thumb up for is that they offer 2 years of warranty for used VGA cards. A used 3080 at $631.82, btw

In the end inflated costs of other items get offset so much to the same amount of just buying a brand new 3080 in another shops D:

paper tusk
#

if my budget wasn't shit would probably get a mini pc or something with a 3050 in case my desktop explodes or something (re: driver problem i had a week ago)

sly elk
#

brutal

torpid kayak
real edge
#

I would highly recommend getting a tiny ssd for your windows cause if you ever need to reinstall windows for whatever reason, everything on the main windows drive will get wiped

torpid kayak
#

but well, I used to have an optical drive that gets short-circuited for no reason

real edge
#

so its best to have it isolated somewhere for easy reinstalls

sly elk
#

or at least, have a secondary ssd for storing your documents and pictures and stuff

torpid kayak
real edge
#

ye

#

not HDD, a very cheap SSD

paper tusk
torpid kayak
#

used kingston 64 GB 😄

real edge
#

if your case has built-in fans you do not need aftermarket ones

torpid kayak
paper tusk
#

500gb tends to have better usable performance and write endurance so would suggest it as minimum for a boot drive

#

but that's my dmub 2 cents

sly elk
real edge
#

my windows is on an old 250gb ssd and its fine

sly elk
#

worry about getting additional SSDs later

real edge
#

and I got a 500gb m2 ssd later and a 1tb HDD

#

1tb hdd for old games and visual novels

#

m2 for modern games

sly elk
#

i have 2 1tb ssds in my machine right now

#

and tempted to get a 2tb lol 😄

#

but i uninstalled some stuff that was eating up more space than I cared for

paper tusk
#

same. only 2 m2 slots because thanks msi sofieLost

sly elk
#

yea you can always do HDDs as well

#

as long as you don't mind the noise

torpid kayak
sly elk
#

(and slower, but not horrible read times)

torpid kayak
#

perhaps I should make it my C: drive

sly elk
#

dangit I

#

screwed up here lol. I was looking at getting a wheel stand for my racing wheel

paper tusk
#

reminds me to remove an old sata cable from the spinner drive I decommissioned when upgrading to a 8tb storage drive

torpid kayak
#

just not sure if I should put my windows OS in Gen 4 one or in SATA one

sly elk
#

now i'm pondering if i should just go full psycho and buy a sim frame with a chair too haha

paper tusk
#

for a boot drive it doesn't matter as long as it's reliable

sly elk
#

lol getting me nostalgic for the old hard drives

royal forge
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
SAHARA | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/92080261
sly elk
#

bah as sleek as they look, I think the playseat trophy** is too small for me

#

the challenge looks ridiculous xD

sly elk
#

-ordered the wheel stand-

#

if I decide I absolutely must do a sim rig instead I'll just send it back ><

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also this usb power blocker makes me sad haha I guess I can use it for my kvm or something

golden stream
torpid kayak
royal forge
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the ISP technician came over

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he's been fucking with the router for the past 30 minutes

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even tho i told him the meshwifi is fucked cuz the router is trash

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sly elk
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lol

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ISP owns the router?

royal forge
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ye

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im just renting

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so.. my power to do anything is limited

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and obv the house owner wont drill a hole in her flooring to thread an ethernet cable

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so

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ye..

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(even tho im p sure I can give a very good idea how to fix it)

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Ah

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he's fuckin with the connection again

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he has to walk upstairs to test the wifi

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even tho a smarter way would just be to walk to the front of the house

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just sayin

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also, remind me to install CAT 6 all over my house in the future

sly elk
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meh

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at the very least, I'd have wiring installed for the spots where I want APs

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that's it.

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having wiring in every room is great and all

torpid kayak
royal forge
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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alright

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SO

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This so called superior d-link mesh wifi

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cant deal with one layer of cement

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or two

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you need open air between the two routers to "propagate" the mesh wifi

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holy shit

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this is like

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top tier jank

real edge
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My router from 4 years ago has signal through cement to the kitchen and one mesh wifi does not?

royal forge
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wifi works

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but the fuckin mesh wifi wont

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dont ask me the reasoning for such stupidity

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i miss when i had a 1Gbps to myself

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i think after they """fixed""" it

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it got worse