technology-discussion

[modest moss]

I have ordered a multiseed uncut loaf

[dull garnet]

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/268579198

[modest moss]

wife better come through

[dull garnet]

2 for 90p down the local express, criminal

[bitter girder]

omg cherry bakewells

[dull garnet]

yes bro

[modest moss]

I don't have a panini press

not posh enough

[bitter girder]

https://tenor.com/view/takes-glasses-off-deal-with-it-gif-9227031

[dull garnet]

Haven't had bagels in forever

[bitter girder]

neither

[modest moss]

homie

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/303351662

on offer

1.25

ordered!

fuck that thin bagel nonsense

[bitter girder]

YES LED AHAHA

LAD*

fuck called you an led

[dull garnet]

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/292885006 these are the best bagels

[bitter girder]

oooooo

[dull garnet]

i don't even cut em open

eat em raw

[bitter girder]

those with Philadelphia cheese

[modest moss]

those are good but they're full price

[bitter girder]

mmm

[modest moss]

I always toast bagels

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/treat-yo-self-treat-your-self-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-retta-gif-5540972

[modest moss]

nah the cinnamon and raisin are on offer

[bitter girder]

its time

[modest moss]

@hardy sparrow CINNAMON AND RAISIN BAGELS ON OFFER https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/303351662

[dull garnet]

sovl

i went for the kick ass anime ones though

[modest moss]

weebs

[bitter girder]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-the-chip-chips-chip-eating-chip-man-eating-three-chips-gif-18885184

[dull garnet]

bring back irc channel adverts in fansubs

i guess fansubs don't really exist anymore

[royal forge]

They do

[bitter girder]

lets sync epissode 14

[royal forge]

They still kickin

[bitter girder]

fuck its 15

[dull garnet]

who would even bother nowadays. karaoke subs too

[bitter girder]

[dull garnet]

[royal forge]

I mean, why not? They're faster than official ones at times

And better

[modest moss]

baking is a scientific process ma'am

[dull garnet]

no

[bitter girder]

i accidentally signed out of prime video my family and i pay halfs on and im not the owner

[modest moss]

why would you microwave a bagel over toasting it

yo my wife made me bagels toasted under the grill, but she melted cheddar, double gloucester and brie on them

fuck me that's tasty

[bitter girder]

im coming over

[modest moss]

you're rough without being warm

[dull garnet]

i'm not watching a 30 second clip

[paper tusk]

oh joy another windows 11 update (fixes shitty game performance from debug symbols being left in)

[dull garnet]

my attention span is 7 seconds

[modest moss]

Dec 1st now, I'll allow it

[dull garnet]

which is why vine was perfect

[modest moss]

It has begun

[bitter girder]

pig

[modest moss]

I'm playing fallout 4, I should install the mod that adds christmas songs

you do

or tinsel round her neck, whatever

[hard drift]

i need to animate a christmas hat on mine

Maybe I’ll do a snow floor instead

[modest moss]

ok mr fancy nitro

[hard drift]

😭

[hard drift]

american ISPs fucking suck ass

supposed to be getting 1Gbps but instead i'm getting 240ish all the time these days

[potent arrow]

I only get 80 down............

[hard drift]

i want my canadian internet back 😔

was cheaper for 1Gb and was unlimited without paying extra per month for it

[potent arrow]

[modest moss]

I'm getting 35 atm, should be 40 but I cba to deal with support

[hard drift]

unlimited costs an extra 100 usd per month

[potent arrow]

Ur old tho shue

[hard drift]

otherwise the cap is 1TB

[modest moss]

I think fttp is coming to my town this year though

[potent arrow]

Old people don't know the diff between internet speeds

[hard drift]

lmfao

[modest moss]

I strongly disagree

[potent arrow]

Y'all just do crosswords and wordle

[hard drift]

i still want to try wordle

it seems fun

[modest moss]

wdym try

just go do it

[hard drift]

i couldn't figure out where to play it lol

i didn't try too hard though tbf

instead, i played mahjong/solitaire while i waited for my shift to start 🙏

[modest moss]

https://www.nytimes.com/games/wordle/index.html

also ffs, we talk about internet connections and mine drops out

THANKS SARAH

[hard drift]

wait wtf am i supposed to be doing

[jaunty light]

Drugs

[hard drift]

Wordle 529 5/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛🟨
🟩⬛⬛⬛⬛
🟩⬛⬛⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

i did horribly lol, i figured it out though

[jaunty light]

Gamer

[hard drift]

WTF IT'S ONCE PER DAY

never touching that shit again

[paper tusk]

yeah i can't even put in bullshit to reduce the letter count

(I cheated for the word. zero regerts)

[jaunty light]

🟨⬛🟩⬛🟨
🟩⬛🟩⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Gaming

W for my big dub bossman

[hard drift]

lmfao

[outer sand]

Which one is the correct way of doing it? The 2nd or 3rd picture?

GPU usually doesn't need a power supply plug yeah? Just the motherboard

Or this one is for the GPU??

My power supply previously was not full modular, no idea how to plug into the psu

[modest moss]

GPU usually does need power, unless it's very low end

and it's too hard to guess from those pics, you should read the manuals

[outer sand]

What's atx power1??

Yeah power supply manual doesn't say anything zzzz

[modest moss]

your motherboard and gpu manuals will

[paper tusk]

if you have eps (8 pin) that's usually better than old 4 pin but depends on the mobo setup

usually atx1 refers to the main 24 pin connector

feels like something missing in general picture wise

vga1/2 are the gpu power plugs

[outer sand]

What's perif?

Idk which is going which.. 🥲

For the CPU

[paper tusk]

looks like eps so the one block of 8 to cpu, and the pair of 4 pin to mobo

[outer sand]

Ok

Eh what?

[paper tusk]

it's split for older motherboards that only have 4 pin extra power

[outer sand]

You mean 8 to psu?

The cable I posted is only 1 cable

Ohh I get it

Ok

[paper tusk]

this clearerer? (in ms paint glory)

24 pin is a separate connector

[outer sand]

Ok

GPU doesn't seem to need a PSU plug. It's GTX 1050

[modest moss]

yeah 1050 is weak enough that pcie can supply enough power

if there's no obvious plug fitting on the gpu it's fine

[deep sapphire]

[sly elk]

https://jalopnik.com/these-are-the-cars-with-the-longest-potential-lifespan-1849835369

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

[deep sapphire]

its fuckin an Australia exclusive

[sly elk]

#11 is a ford expedition

[deep sapphire]

[sly elk]

what the hell are they smoking

[deep sapphire]

its Jalopnik

so a lot

[sly elk]

iSeeCars analyzed over two million cars produced and sold for at least 10 of the past 20 model years, ranking each model by its highest mileage-achieving cars. All 20 models had at least 2.5 percent of the top-ranking 20 models clear 200,000 miles, and the top 1 percent of these vehicles delivered between 230,000 and 297,000 miles over the last two decades. For example, 1% of Toyota Sequoias on the road have at least 296,509 miles on the odometer.

I wonder how they get the highest mileage records

you know what, I think I know how/why toyotas rule this list

what this list really is, is a list of cars most likely to be driven to high miles and still serviced at the dealer

when viewed that way it makes perfect sense

because farmer joe driving a clapped out s10 to 680k miles never took his truck to the dealer

[deep sapphire]

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/z/2/6/8/6/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700.25robo.png/1669756752005.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium

[sly elk]

the fact that #1 is a toyota sequoia screams it loudly

[deep sapphire]

haha

those had the 2UZ-FE right

[sly elk]

who the hell buys a toyota sequoia

[deep sapphire]

nobody,

[sly elk]

yea it had the 2uz-fe

currently has a v6 hybrid

[deep sapphire]

yeah built on that new truck platform

[sly elk]

hmm actually surprised

[deep sapphire]

boy thats been a real shit show

[sly elk]

i thought it was the fwd full sizer

nah that's the highlander

[deep sapphire]

im in a tundra facebook grip

[sly elk]

that kinda ruins my point

[deep sapphire]

so many quality control issues

trim pieces literally falling off

the cameras on the mirrors keep falling out

dash rattles

[sly elk]

gee what happened?

is it just that they're only good at making simple cars?

and not fancy ones full of features?

[deep sapphire]

no idea, I thought toyota was pretty strict with suppliers and shit but I guess due to covid its been hard to find good talent

[sly elk]

to... be... fair

I would have a hard time trusting anything built after 2020

especially 2021 model year vehicles

they probably had parts supply until like june-october-ish of 2020, so when the 2021s started being made

i wonder how many 2021-2022 F-150s spent their first year sitting in a field waiting for parts

[deep sapphire]

haha probably full of rust and shit

[sly elk]

oh man it seems to have affected gm real bad, too

[deep sapphire]

nah man thats just a cars and coffee /s

[deep sapphire]

I find it hilarious that they wanna charge you 70 grand for a new truck thats been sitting in a field for 6 months waiting on a sensor

god I cant wait for the market to crash

[sly elk]

The poster of the images, who has since deleted the photos, claims GM is using a skid loader with a fork attachment and a bulldozer to get trucks out of the mud. While no photos of the forklift or bulldozer were provided, GM-Trucks.com has confirmed from a GM dealer that they’ve been instructed to inspect all inbound HD’s for forklift damage and have noted increased frame rust on trucks stored in the field.

[deep sapphire]

omfg

[sly elk]

so the real problem here

is that they were cheap and content using old stock parts

and didn't pay any attention whatsoever to the potential parts shortage

until their supply of 10 year old ARM chips dried up

[deep sapphire]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/2cb811b832fdb322978d76c09f68bac1.png damn the impala beat out the camry

probably because the latest camry isnt that great

[sly elk]

and whatever else

I wonder if that includes the epsillon 2 impala, or just the w body

[deep sapphire]

probably both, I think the W body was produced until 2012?

maybe it was later

[sly elk]

nope. 2016! as a fleet model.

2013 for the regular model

[deep sapphire]

god damn

those W bodies were work horses

slap a buick 3800 in it

[sly elk]

they started making the epsilon 2 version in 2013 and killed it in 2020 when they shut the factory that made everything based on that platform down

now the worst part

Engine 2.4 L LUK Ecotec I4 eAssist
2.5 L LKW Ecotec I4
3.6 L LFX V6

[deep sapphire]

yeah I dont think it sold very well which is a shame, I thought it was a great looking car

[outer sand]

1 or 2?

[deep sapphire]

fuckin high feature 3.6 what a turd, I think the newer ones are alright though

[outer sand]

Idk where should I face it to

[deep sapphire]

2

you want it facing towards the rear

[sly elk]

i think it depends on the case

and the airflow setup

[deep sapphire]

well in that case, it would be blowing the hot air right at the GPU

[sly elk]

lol

[deep sapphire]

there isnt enough room to mount the fan

[sly elk]

or sucking hot air off the gpu

[outer sand]

It has airflow both on top and at the back where the fan is facing

[deep sapphire]

on the bottom side

do 2

[sly elk]

but the way airflow is in most cases

[deep sapphire]

and that is a tight fuckin fit

[sly elk]

it doesn't matter if you do 1 or 2, it'll still get plenty of that toasty gpu air

i don't think the fans push enough air to get from the front of the case to the heatsink. now they can exhaust out the back or the top just fine

[deep sapphire]

you might wanna consider moving the GPU to another PCI-E slot if available

you might not even be able to mount the fan lol

[sly elk]

i think it'll be fine

[deep sapphire]

they should just get rid of the golden bowtie and keep it black on everything

[sly elk]

yea

[outer sand]

1 or 2?. Picture 3 indicates where the airflow is going (I have no idea where it's sucking and blowing)...

No other PCI option is available, so this is the only way. I have no idea that it's considered a tight setup 🥲

Does it matter??

Should the fan blow toward the inside part of the system unit or outside?

[modest moss]

fan should blow out, exhaust

suck the heat off the heatsink and yeet it out the back

[outer sand]

There's an arrow here just realised, silly..

I guess I'll just face the arrow to the top and rear of the airflow

[modest moss]

you can swap that bracket round I believe

[outer sand]

Ok

Should I move this front fan to the back?

Which one is more important, front or back?

Picture one is front fan

Or do I need the front one to suck cool air from outside to inside the system unit?

[odd sand]

It's worse than that, they did it to themselves. They were using parts on incredibly outdated 130-180nm nodes that were only kept active due to their orders. When they cancelled the orders in 2020, those companies scrapped the lines finally. So when they came crawling back to them for chips like 6-9 months later, it was too late and they had to commit to qualifying all new parts

[odd sand]

200k for a Civic seems low even

[deep sapphire]

depends on the generation of civic

not all of them were great

[outer sand]

Ok I'll just let the intake fan there and buy the rear exhaust fan later

[deep sapphire]

no

put that fan back on the exhaust

where you have it now, it looks like its mounted directly infront of nothing

make sure that sticker is facing outward

[outer sand]

Sticker??

[modest moss]

Hank that's a different fan

[deep sapphire]

on the fan

[modest moss]

leave this alone

[deep sapphire]

oh

okay then

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-lee-super-kazuya-kazuya-gachimuchi-gachi-gif-22029354

[modest moss]

that's intake, you're right, suck in cool air at the front

[outer sand]

I can't believe I only been running this PC with just 1 intake fan for the past 10 years. I have no idea about airflow back then

[modest moss]

then use the one on the heatsink to push it out the back

it's fine

[outer sand]

Ok

[modest moss]

you're running a 1050

it's low power, nbd

[outer sand]

Ok. Planning to upgrade to 6700xt later hehe

Just upgraded the psu first from 500 to 650 😹

[modest moss]

when you do that you might want more cooling, but what's your cpu

[outer sand]

Right now i3 6th generation I think I can't check atm

[odd sand]

Did you redo the thermal paste on that thing since it seems ancient?

[modest moss]

oh yeah you need hardly any cooling, you're fine

Shinon raises a fair point

[outer sand]

Redo? I just added a little on top of the previous one

[odd sand]

[modest moss]

that isn't ideal

ideally you clean the old shit off with iso

[outer sand]

Can thermal paste expire? I think the one I just use now is 10 years old

It's hardened lol

[modest moss]

it goes crusty and useless

[odd sand]

As long as the tube isnt dried out it should be fine

[outer sand]

Aaaaaa

[odd sand]

If it is dried out then yeah its ded

You can get a tube of Thermaltake stuff from Best buy for like $8

Guess you didn't cap the end of it before storing?

[modest moss]

and a little bottle of isopropyl alcohol

[odd sand]

The stuff in that container is all dried up?

[outer sand]

Can I use pharmacy alcohol? I remember electronic has their own alcohol

[odd sand]

Yeah anything 70-98% is fine, just let it dry afterwards

[outer sand]

This one is dried up?

I forgot how the texture was supposed to be

[sly elk]

and anyone could've seen it coming a mile away

but the cheap ass company wanted to minimize R&D

[outer sand]

Uh accidentally put microfibre cloth there, now the colour has changed

Is it still ok?

[paper tusk]

hard to tell but should be fine as long as it's not dirty or manhandled (bent pins)

[modest moss]

that paste looks janky to me

[analog aspen]

what should i test before buying a gpu used for crypto?

[outer sand]

Too much? Lol

[royal forge]

MUST you buy a used mining card?

[modest moss]

uh, hard to tell but I'd buy some new paste

[royal forge]

Cuz it really depends

Professional miners who undervolt cards are ?kinda ok?????? But ymmv

I think its a bad idea to

[modest moss]

also this doesn't look clipped down right, that bit on the left should be tucked under that screw I think

[outer sand]

Yeah it wasn't like that before I took the photo

Now I'm re screwing it back

[royal forge]

[modest moss]

that paste might be ok, but it looks crusty and maybe too much

[analog aspen]

gpu cards where i live still high af probably the store can't bring down prices because they bought it during high prices.

[royal forge]

Ah

Depends i guess... i'd watch them sweat tbh

Where r u based btw

[analog aspen]

Philippines

[royal forge]

Can you try buildapc discord?

[analog aspen]

im in the point of i will buy PNY gpu now since its cheap.

[royal forge]

PNY is ok

If u can wait, AMD is comin

[analog aspen]

ah good to know i read a mix reviews about PNY so not sure. I'm waiting till next year im hoping AMD can be a game changer.

[royal forge]

Ye. Might as well

Try the buildapc discord

There are few philipine bros there

[odd sand]

Got a can of airduster to blow it out just in case?

[outer sand]

Yeah I just did it

[odd sand]

PNY is very basic bitch. I doubt it would outright fail, but it's very much the least desirable of the western AIBs. Even below Zotac

[modest moss]

PNY is the kind of brand I'd be fine buying if it was for a budget build

wouldn't use them for anything high end

[odd sand]

Irony is they've had that rep forever, even going back to when all they did was RAM

Now I would say most ppl know them for their thumb drives

[paper tusk]

pny is ok but it tends to be way overpriced for the quality

[sly elk]

my little PNY

[sly elk]

if you qualify for samsung epp

or edu

[outer sand]

Dam, just installing a PSU and it's already more exhausting than going to the gym...

Monitors doesn't turn on, rip..

Aaaaaaa

[sly elk]

-gives a cookie-

have patience

[outer sand]

Do you think this is why it doesn't turn on?

The monitor I mean

PC seetms working ok. But monitor just have orange light

Btw my heat sink fan doesn't seem to be working

Does it always wait till the heatsink is hot?

What's going to happen if the pins is bent?

This is what actually happened

#technology-discussion message

I mean the PC is turned on but the monitor doesn't work

PC is working and has white light

Yeah

[sly elk]

what's written next to the white light?

[sly elk]

that's not good

[outer sand]

This just because i tried to redo that stupid thermal paste

[sly elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/macsetups/comments/z6ov61/i_was_moving_things_around_on_my_desk_and_got/

[potent arrow]

NOOOOOOO

[outer sand]

Tbh idk what's going on. None broken pin here

[potent arrow]

Didn't that photo you show earlier had them bent...

[outer sand]

But it's still showing white light debug led 🥲

[void dove]

you have 3 fucked pins

[potent arrow]

Yeah

I don't have glasses on

Cuz I'm in bed but the earlier photos show bent pins

[void dove]

at least, if not more

[outer sand]

Yeah I took a photo again, but doesn't seem to show anything now

[void dove]

if the pins aren't perfect, they mat contact the wrong pads

so CPU wont work, so computer doesn't work

even pins slightly bent, will cause issues

[outer sand]

🥲

I'll never redo thermal paste ever again

[bitter girder]

Ahahahahahahahha omg

[void dove]

well, you just need to be very careful about reseating a cpu

[potent arrow]

What's your cpu again?

[outer sand]

Seems like a very dangerous move over such a little gain

[void dove]

you can try and fix the pins with some very fine tweezers

[potent arrow]

They dropped their microfiber on the socket

[void dove]

but if they snap

its fucked

[potent arrow]

Noot I would really not suggest that lol

[outer sand]

Yeah it was microfiber cloth

[void dove]

nope

[potent arrow]

Like absolutely would not

[void dove]

BUT most vendors wont freely warranty replace bent pins

[potent arrow]

Why did you even take out the cpu

[void dove]

unless things have changed

[potent arrow]

You don't necessarily have too to wipe off the paste

[potent arrow]

Had not unfortunately

[outer sand]

Ic ic

[void dove]

yeah, should just leave the cpu in

and wipe the top

[potent arrow]

Still falls under user error

[outer sand]

Ok 🥲

[void dove]

unfortunately 😦

[potent arrow]

Vielen out of curiosity what is your cpu

[outer sand]

Let me check

[potent arrow]

Intel....something

[sly elk]

are there even pins there?

it's an i3 of some sort

[potent arrow]

Yeah just bent

One time I took off a clients heat sink cuz it wasn't booting

[void dove]

theyt kinda look like they are bent backwards

[potent arrow]

And the dude put the IHS facing down towards the pins and clamped it down....

[void dove]

oooooof

[potent arrow]

That was like....5 months ago and they wouldn't take the board rofl

[void dove]

yeah no shit

[potent arrow]

I can fix like...10 pins max

Before it's futile, personally lol

I use a jewelers visor and a sewing needle

[void dove]

so not advised, but if desperate and know the vendor wont fix it
you need a Very steady hand, and fine tweesers, and some kinda scope to zoom in while you are working on it, makes it easier
board repair shops do it, but i wouldn't advise the average person do

[potent arrow]

Lmfao people call me bubbles

[outer sand]

Oh it's gen 7 I thought it's 6

[sly elk]

i3 7100

ya know

[outer sand]

But this PC is very young according to my standard 🥲

[sly elk]

you can just straighten the pins out lol

[void dove]

cpu is like 5 years old

[sly elk]

I mean

[void dove]

considering theyve been bent straight back, they may snap

[sly elk]

there's a good chance this will just make things worse

[void dove]

but what do you have to lose?

its not like its usable

and ive not closely looked at the other pics, not sure if there are more

[outer sand]

So the pin is gone basically yeah

Rip no way of bending it back then

[void dove]

rip then

new mobo it is

[outer sand]

Didn't think I would upgrade so soon

[void dove]

if you can even buyt a 7th gen mobo

[potent arrow]

Oof yeah I'm looking at FCLGA1151 pin outs

[void dove]

or just do a full upgrade

[potent arrow]

That's ddr or vss

[sly elk]

idk

[potent arrow]

Ya yer fucked

[outer sand]

I'm planning to upgrade to i512 yeah

But didn't think I have to upgrade soon, rip

Waa I guess back to work laptop

[potent arrow]

MMMMMM

[outer sand]

Will my GTX 1050 work with i512600f?

[potent arrow]

Ya smack dab in the important bits

[void dove]

yes, there is no cpu compabiltity for graphics cards

[outer sand]

Not sure how it works, or do I need to upgrade the GPU as well?

[void dove]

an older will work with a newer motherboard

[outer sand]

Ok ok

[void dove]

well, at least not in this case, you can keep it

[potent arrow]

Peep my friend running a sick ass 1030 with his 9900k

[void dove]

if you get a DDR4 based motherboard, you can probably keep your RAM

[potent arrow]

Shits fucked

[outer sand]

Yeah

I'll get ddr4

[void dove]

so really only technically need to replace, the cpu and mobo

[outer sand]

Newest is ddr4 or 5?

[void dove]

ddr5 is newest

[outer sand]

Ok I'll stay 4. 5 seems pretty rare still

[potent arrow]

Well you can just replace the motherboard

[void dove]

but is still fairly expensive

yeah, IF you can get an older motherboard

[potent arrow]

No reason to replace the CPU if it's fine

[void dove]

i can't find any at my local retailers

for a 7th gen compatible

if you want new

maybe someone has it

otherwise, ebay

[potent arrow]

I'm biased cuz I still have inventory of my 1151 collection

eBay is fine if you need a cheap fix

[void dove]

need a compatible mobo for a LGA 1151 socket

[potent arrow]

Buyer protection is OP there

[sly elk]

definitely ebay

in fact

[potent arrow]

Slowly but surely I'm thinking about switching all of my builds to that weird Phase change Honeywell material everyone is talking about

[sly elk]

i3 7100s work with b150, h110m, z170, z270, h170, b250

[potent arrow]

PTM7950? I think

[void dove]

yeah so not just any lga1151 board, needs one made for 7th gen

[potent arrow]

Going to figure out a good supplier and test it out

[void dove]

the 8/9th gen boards dont list 7th gen compat

😦

[potent arrow]

From everything I've seen and heard it's basically better then normal thermal paste

But less effective then Liquid metal

[sly elk]

ugh

[potent arrow]

It'll save me so much time if I can just slap it on CPUs lol

[sly elk]

cheapest working board i found is 65 new? i think? that's silly

[potent arrow]

Also I've been considering liquid metal for my next pc

But given how fucked sff PCs are I'm not sure I want too lol

So if I can use something that is juuussst under LM but better then paste...why not

[void dove]

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007627 601409932 4814 4131&Order=1
have a look here, if you want to try and just get a replacement motherboard, and replace nothing else,
you may even find the exact same motherboard you already have.

if you wanna look somewhere else, make sure its an intel 100 or 200 series chipset

[outer sand]

why there are so many different motherboard?

how do I differentiate it

[outer sand]

willing to upgrade, but confused on what to choose 😹

how about gigabyte brand for motherboard

are they ok?

micro atx is ok?

performance wise, is there any pros and cons for micro and normal atx?

[potent arrow]

No performance diff

It's just sizing

Gigabyte is one of the brands I trust

[outer sand]

im just afraid my chonky heatsink fan won't fit

[potent arrow]

Hmm?

Coolers are tied to the socket

Not board size

[outer sand]

This thing 🥲

[potent arrow]

Well unless you count ram clearance but of you are using prexisting ram it's fine

[outer sand]

I think mine right now is not micro

Micro is cheaper or?

[potent arrow]

Sometimes

Just go with what's there if you are inexperienced

[outer sand]

if im planning to get rx 6700xt in the future, will my new gpu fit?

[potent arrow]

Also that's a tinnnnyy heatsink

[outer sand]

just from my 1050 itself, it's already packed like that

[potent arrow]

Pcie slot is basically standarised it'll be like that

The only thing that'll effect spacing is the case

Notice how the pcie slot is in the same spot

[outer sand]

ok how about if I want to upgrade from 2 monitors to 4 monitors, does it only requires GPU change or?

mobo as well?

[potent arrow]

GPU outputs

[outer sand]

or do people just use those ultra wide monitor instead?

ah ok

[outer sand]

would you recommend me getting micro atx or standard?

[potent arrow]

Personal choice

[outer sand]

there's no performance difference between these brand and type differences right? just how many slots it have for memory, gpu, etc

[potent arrow]

I only build SFF

[outer sand]

what's SFF? 🥲

[potent arrow]

Small form factor

I use mini itx most of the time

That black box is my pc, soda cans for scale lol

[outer sand]

oh I bought my parents intel nuc the other day, I'm guessing it's the same type of mobo? but this one is customised

like higher performance than nuc

I'm not sure, but can this mini atx reach the same performance as the other 2 atx? or does it sacrifice performance for size?

for example using it for video editing and such

hmm interesting

[potent arrow]

No

The nuc is a custom motherboard

[potent arrow]

Once again, size basically effects nothing performance wise

Same components

Only thing that would effect perf is inadequate cooling

Because it's smaller you need to plan it out more for better airflow

Otherwise it'll cook itself

[outer sand]

do you mind sharing how difference it is? is it that dangerous?

[potent arrow]

I basically almost exclusively work with sff PCs these days

[potent arrow]

Wdym dangerous

[outer sand]

like if I messed up, it will cook all the components cause not enough space between them

and if 1 fan died, and I didn't notice it, what will happen

[potent arrow]

I do not recomend a sff for people with very little experience

[outer sand]

also I'm guessing my chonky heat sink isn't ideal?

[potent arrow]

It's a lot more stressful because of routing and stuff

[outer sand]

ic ic, how about micro atx?

[potent arrow]

Computers are smarter then that, if it gets hot it'll just shut itself down

Or slow itself down

[potent arrow]

It's all how comfortable you are with it

Also sff is a lot more expensive because the parts are designed to be smaller

Here is a budget sff I built for a client recently rodl

Very very little working room

And no your Evo 212 won't fit in most sff cases

Most of us uses custom loops or AIOs

There are low profile air coolers but eh

For beginners I recomend sticking with an ATX case with an ATX or mATX motherboard

Budget efficient and easier to build in

[outer sand]

oh yeah I forgot I think my case can't fit micro atx, i ned to look for that as well

[potent arrow]

mATX will fit in a ATX

Mounting holes and position are standarised as long as it's atx

[outer sand]

ok

DisplayPort 1.2

2.5GbE

what are these 2 numbers?

I'm looking at various mobo right now

asrock brand is ok?

[potent arrow]

I only use ROG and Gigabyte

[outer sand]

I'm looking at this right now https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MicroATX-Motherboard-B660M-HDV-Compatible/dp/B09NZDGH1W

[potent arrow]

MSI and ASRock are on my personal shitlist for multiple reasons

[outer sand]

will it fit this https://www.amazon.com/Intel-12400F-Desktop-Processor-Cache/dp/B09NPJRDGD/ref=sr_1_3?crid=M6ABGDJOFAP9&keywords=i5+12400f&qid=1669885664&sprefix=i5+12400f%2Caps%2C308&sr=8-3

ok

I'll check out gigabyte

[real edge]

why the 12400f?

[outer sand]

cause it's currently on sale

[outer sand]

is it a bad cpu?

[real edge]

no, was just curious

[dull garnet]

That motherboard looks trash

[real edge]

personally on a short budget I would rather go AM4 but

[outer sand]

how about this? https://www.amazon.com/B660M-DS3H-DDR4-Micro-ATX-Motherboard/dp/B09QH5MFMN/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3OH7FHRIH2HAE&keywords=Gigabyte%2BB660M%2BD3H%2BDDR4%2BMotherboard&qid=1669885813&sprefix=gigabyte%2Bb660m%2Bds3h%2Bddr4%2Bintel%2Blga%2B1700%2Bmatx%2Bmotherboard%2Caps%2C324&sr=8-1&th=1

how do i determine trash/non-trash mobo? 🥲

[dull garnet]

That looks more acceptable

Some vrm cooling is big

Historically I've owned a good few ds3h boards and they've been alright

[real edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3o1Ebk_jCA

watch that

[dull garnet]

But yeah, vrms are important

[real edge]

^

let that video guide your motherboard choice

and please tell the person/company you are buying the motherboard from to flash you the latest bios

so that you can have a 13k option to upgrade to down the line

[potent arrow]

ASRock in a nutshell.

[dull garnet]

Surprised every manufacturer doesn't have a flashback feature now. So good

[outer sand]

ok I got it, as long as it's B660, It will fit my i5 yeah?

[real edge]

any b660 z690 board will

watch the vid and see what is on sale based on what they say

and what you want

I'd rather go am4 tho on a small budget

personal choice

[outer sand]

what's am4? 🥲

[real edge]

[outer sand]

oh amd

[real edge]

amd platform

[outer sand]

i see something like r5 7600x

[real edge]

that is am5

[outer sand]

double the price

[real edge]

am5 is too expensive

[outer sand]

oh

[real edge]

a 5700x is like 190$ and has 8 cores, 16 threads

and am4 motherboards are dirt cheap

[outer sand]

hmm yeah, a lot of them are on sale, even more than the intel lineup

not sure why, is there any reason?

[real edge]

bonus points if you score yourself a 5800x3d cpu

but that is over budget

[potent arrow]

AM4 is just historically cheaper

5800x3D is honestly such a game changer if you can afford it

[real edge]

^

am4 is the budget platform of choice

[outer sand]

yeah unfortunately that's double the price, over budget 🥲

[potent arrow]

That's alright there's still a ton of processors you can go for

How much are 5600 rn

5600/5600x are my budget CPU options

[real edge]

5600x/5700x price?

[potent arrow]

5700x are ridiculous where I am

How about 5700x vielen?

Ergh

[real edge]

5800x?

[potent arrow]

I would personally go for the 5600x in this case...

[outer sand]

$200 AUD for 5600
$260 for 5600x
$299 for 5700x
$399 for 5800X

[potent arrow]

Just take the 12400F off the table honestly

[outer sand]

I just had a good experience with intel hehe

[potent arrow]

I would choose between the 5600x/5700x

I don't have access to my numbers for my personal benchmarks rn cuz I'm in bed, but I don't remember the difference between the 5600x and the 5700x being that big

5700x just being more consistent iirc

Maybe a 8-10 frame difference

Feel free to chip in nhadala

4:30 am brain rn lol

[real edge]

5700x is better than the 5600x by a few frames

[outer sand]

hmm interesting the more expensive option in the b660 video above, B660M D3H Gigabyte is currently on sale and has the same price as the DS3H

👀

[outer sand]

so would your ecommend getting 5600x?

is there any problem with 5600x to play the SF5/Tekken 7/FFXIV?

what would these games prefer, amd or intel?

[royal forge]

Ur main concern should also be the gpu

[real edge]

I do not know about fighters

[royal forge]

Or have we already went past that

[real edge]

but there are ff14 benchmarks that I can fetch real quick

[potent arrow]

FF14 will run on a potato shoved into a microwave and tossed into the fucking sun

It'll be fine lol

[outer sand]

also if I'm planning to get RX6700XT in the future, combining AMD CPU and AMD GPU is better yeah?

instead of mixing intel cpu and amd gpu

or there's no difference?

[potent arrow]

Given that their computer was an i3 with a 1050, they'll be fine

[outer sand]

ty ty

[potent arrow]

No difference

Intel GPUs barely exist and they are all shit.

[outer sand]

yeah my pc is having a difficulty recently, i'm doing more difficulty these days, and the boss animation with lowest setting ruin my stable 60 fps

[potent arrow]

People complain and bitch about AMD GPU drivers, but I think it's over exaggerated

[outer sand]

with i3 and 1050

[dull garnet]

I'd go with the newer intel chip personally

[potent arrow]

Your basically going from mum's clapped out minivan to a nice Honda civic SI

[real edge]

doesn't matter what you mix and match tbh

but yeah personal advice would be to invest in a better cpu

13600k/5800x3d

[royal forge]

New Ryzen

4090

[outer sand]

ah hmm

[royal forge]

8k monitor

[outer sand]

so staying with 1050 is ok for xiv?

[royal forge]

Ye

[real edge]

assuming you

[outer sand]

by upgrading this CPU, will I have 60 fps stable?

[royal forge]

1050 shud be ok

Dependin on 1080p

[real edge]

1050 is shit tier

[royal forge]

Well, true

[outer sand]

ah ok, yeah then ill upgrade that next

[royal forge]

But it'll work

[outer sand]

8gb ddr4 is still ok yeah?

[real edge]

assuming you upgrade to the 6700xt then you should get a good cpu to match

no

[potent arrow]

No

[real edge]

16gigs minimum

[royal forge]

Heck no

Even im runnin 32

[outer sand]

wow, i'm lacking everything 🥲

[potent arrow]

Ryzen likes good speed ram
And 16gb minimum these days

[outer sand]

ok

[potent arrow]

Overkill

[royal forge]

Well

[potent arrow]

16 is fine for everyone

[royal forge]

I am simming boobies :3

Tbh i should get 64..

[real edge]

what is the maximum budget for all the upgrades?

[royal forge]

No sale yet

[real edge]

for everything total

[potent arrow]

Ngl your old pc is kinda...lacking in everyway

[outer sand]

yeah, the game that I used to play didn't require much performance

[potent arrow]

I3, 1050, 8gb of ram ._.

[royal forge]

How viable would it be as a NAS setup?

[potent arrow]

No

[royal forge]

Heh

[real edge]

I can build you a 1k dollar pc for example

[potent arrow]

I mean you can go 600-700$

And be fine for what they play

[real edge]

yeah

[potent arrow]

Like I said ff14 will run on a pregnancy stick

It's just nice to have some power

[real edge]

so what is your maximum budget?

[outer sand]

not a lot, under 1000 would be nice

and this is aud, not usd, part is more expensive here 😹

I already chosen 2 piece, gigabyte B660m D3H and Ryzen 5600x

just choosing memory now

[potent arrow]

How much is left in Budget

[outer sand]

this one https://youtu.be/r3o1Ebk_jCA?t=397

[potent arrow]

And do you have an ssd

[real edge]

b660m is for intel

[outer sand]

yeah ssd

[potent arrow]

Lol wait yeah

[outer sand]

🥲

[potent arrow]

See if you can afford some vengeance 3600mhz 16gb kit

im biased and only trust vengeance kits these days

[outer sand]

what's the code name for 5600x mobo

instead of b660m

[real edge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zz4sfv there

should be around your budget

[outer sand]

b550m

[potent arrow]

Nhadala on the quick draw

[outer sand]

b550m?

[real edge]

model can be any 6600xt/6650xt

not necessarily that one

b450/b550 boards

[potent arrow]

Reminds me I need to rebenchmsrk the 6600xt...

[outer sand]

this is the video? https://youtu.be/wuPH9pCCK-E

[real edge]

yeah

I just chose the cheapest one on pcpartpicker from that video

[potent arrow]

Just grab the aorus boards

Trust me

Rofl they are my fav

[real edge]

as for ram

any 3600mhz cl16 kit will do

16gigs

its cheap nowdays

[potent arrow]

Once again, hand gestures

[potent arrow]

Everything is in comparison to ddr5 🥲

[real edge]

feel free to ask us any questions you may have

[potent arrow]

I've spent more stocking for Intel Mobo+CPU this generation then GPUs alone

[outer sand]

yeah the parts listed there isnt available

I'll have a look around

[real edge]

australia moment

[potent arrow]

Isn't Newegg in aussie

Babaahahh yes

[outer sand]

yeah, the b550 aorus master, double the price of b660m d3h

[real edge]

basically you want:

b450/b550/b550m board with latest bios flashed
3600mhz cl16 ram kit, 16 GB
5600x/5700x ryzen
deepcool ak500 cpu cooler
any 6600XT/6650XT gpu, 6700XT if its cheap enough in comparison to the 6600xt/6650xt

[potent arrow]

https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h-ac/p/N82E16813145250

There

[potent arrow]

Great thing is that all gigaboob boards have qflash so bios ain't much of an issue

[outer sand]

difference between b450/b550/b550m? there are a lot of gigaboob selection now haha

[real edge]

just age

all of them can support the ryzen cpus

with the latest bios flashed

ofc get one with a decent vrm

my motherboard is 4 years old and I got a 5800x3d, which is prospected to last another 3-4 years, I sure do hope motherboards do not die with age

[potent arrow]

https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h-ac/p/N82E16813145250
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236538
https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/deepcool-ak500-zero-dark/p/N82E16835856231

Australia pricing

[real edge]

cheap

[potent arrow]

Jesus fuck

5600x is double the 5600 on Newegg aus

[outer sand]

yeah

[potent arrow]

https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/amd-ryzen-5-5600-ryzen-5-5000-series/p/N82E16819113736

5600

[outer sand]

is it good or bad? what's the performance difference? 😹

[potent arrow]

What's happening in Aussie

Why y'all parts the cost of my liver

[real edge]

cause australia has high salaries

[outer sand]

huh weird

[real edge]

and is in the middle of nowhere

[outer sand]

double the price = more expensive? lol

[potent arrow]

Canada is fucking grawful but this is something else

[potent arrow]

Yesh

[outer sand]

b450 is not recommended?

there's one currently on sale right now, but not auros

[real edge]

b450 can run all ryzen cpus, but make sure you get one with the latest bios flashed and watch a video about b450 board vrms

[outer sand]

bios flashed means? what happened if it's not bios flashed? it won't support 5600x?

[real edge]

yes

ask the person you buy it from

to flash the latest bios

[potent arrow]

And if you can't, remember if the board has qflash or whatever is the equivalent you can do it yourself

Just put the file on a USB stick, plug it in and press the button according to the manual

No need for a CPU to be in or anything

[real edge]

^

[potent arrow]

Honestly one of the biggest reasons why I buy gigabewbs

Qflash is nice for when the vendor fucks up and gives me a none Apu enabled board ._____.

[outer sand]

aorus pro and ds3h price difference is almost double ._.

is it that worthed?

or should I just follow your recommendation to go for ds3h

why did you add this one? https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/deepcool-ak500-zero-dark/p/N82E16835856231

is the current one i'm using is bad or?

[sharp star]

late to the convo but you're paying about $30 MSRP more for a letter with the 5600 vs. the 5600X

[outer sand]

the deepcool ak500 seems popular? is it necessary for the upgrade?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zz4sfv converted to AUD = $1k 🥲

[real edge]

what are you currently using

[potent arrow]

Looks like an Evo 212

[real edge]

meh

[potent arrow]

Yep

Ak500 is basically the new 212

As in the cooler that you default too if you are on a budget lol

[real edge]

^

[outer sand]

i dont know how to check mine

but it's written coolermaster lol

[real edge]

go for a 5600 non-x if your budget is tight, there is not much of a difference

[potent arrow]

It's a 212

I don't even question it

It's a 212

[outer sand]

ok

[real edge]

5600 is dirt cheap

[dull garnet]

If you got an am4 bracket for a 212 it'd cool a 5600x ez

[real edge]

yeah also true

it will cool it

[potent arrow]

Just...

[real edge]

just not that well tbh

[potent arrow]

Why....

Also the 5600 comes with a cooler

And you can definitely just use that

[real edge]

^

[potent arrow]

It'll be better then a 212

[real edge]

if you do not want to spend money on a new cooler

[outer sand]

oh 212 is too outdated?

ic ic

[real edge]

just use the stock one or get an am4 bracket for the 212

[dull garnet]

No way is it better than a 212

The wraith stealth is trash

[potent arrow]

It is

[dull garnet]

I'd be more concerned about noise

[real edge]

I

[potent arrow]

It's quiet enough speed lol

[dull garnet]

TOO LOUD

[potent arrow]

Suffer

[real edge]

stock one is definitely free tho so on a budget use that

[dull garnet]

I used it for a bit when my am4 bracket was arriving, it's fine if you're on a budget ofc

[sharp star]

just go with Noctua brown then

[real edge]

just disable pbo in the bios

[outer sand]

wait so I need to buy a new bracket to use my 212? 😹

[sharp star]

yes

[real edge]

yes

[dull garnet]

Coolermaster may send you one if you email

[potent arrow]

Noctua is money

[sharp star]

if you somehow can't just find one of the new 212 models

or similar

[dull garnet]

Noctua is silly money

[sharp star]

yeah it is silly money

[real edge]

the new 212 models are more expensive, like 50$ for nothing

[sharp star]

oh right yeah

[potent arrow]

At that point just get the ak50

[real edge]

better just use the dual tower cooler ak500 then

[potent arrow]

Not to mention the 212 mounting method belongs in the very depths of hell itself

Cursed ass garbage

[outer sand]

yeah, I had a difficulty taking it off..

maybe that's why I broke the pin in the first place 🥲 cause I spent too much energy on taking it off

[real edge]

so options are:

1. Get an AM4 bracket, send coolermaster an email. (may cost some money)
2. Use stock one and disable PBO in the bios(free)
3. Get a deepcool ak500 (costs 50$ but its very good)

[outer sand]

lik 90$ in aud 😹

[potent arrow]

Eh you don't reeeaaallly need to disable pbo imo

But that's a different debate lol

[real edge]

90$ wat

[outer sand]

for deepcool

[real edge]

no way lmao

[outer sand]

instead of $50

[real edge]

wtf

[outer sand]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zz4sfv this

[real edge]

those prices the fuck

[outer sand]

that's already cheaper than google 😹

I'm not sure if those shops are legit as well

cause the DS3H is like $50 cheaper than the newegg, ebay and other online shops

[real edge]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/MyJMxs

988$

better gpu

you can use the stock cooler OR get an aftermarket one if you have a leftover budget

[outer sand]

I think you choose 5600 for the one you just posted

[real edge]

btw

what is your power supply

[outer sand]

evga-ga 650w

[real edge]

that should be alright

[outer sand]

that 450m is good? hmm

so many great reviews, hah

ok ty ty, so many options, I'll continue tomorrow

[real edge]

that motherboards vrm is bad but

for a 5600

meh

[lost python]

if you can squeeze in another 20-30$ you can get a much better board

if thats worth it, is up to you

[real edge]

the next best with aus prices is the aorus elite

whish isn't that much better sadly

ill look online and see if there is a b550 vrm tier list

[outer sand]

ty ty

[real edge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14-CZ8-a4-UBMN5-0x_QYOrvLk4EfI4Kn2jmIG70CAss/edit#gid=666643422

[real edge]

^

use that and cross-reference it with your local prices

obviously the higher the tier the better

[outer sand]

any for gpu/cpu as well? 🤔

[real edge]

you're looking at the b550, a520m and x570 boards

[outer sand]

ok

[real edge]

that is only for motherboards

so go down the tier list and check the price of every motherboard that supports am4 and get the one that you can get for the best price , with a b-tier vrm or better

[outer sand]

these 3 boards work for 5600x yeah?

I thought I only need to look for 450/550/550m

[real edge]

yes

I did not recommend x570 because its pricey

but if you can find one for cheap from that tier list then why not

[outer sand]

It's getting into the territory where I rather spend more than researching 😹

[real edge]

the tier list has everything you need but

it takes time

[outer sand]

maybe I'll just pick up the stuffs that linked much earlier by you and Sarah

[real edge]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/MyJMxs this? sounds good

the motherboard is trash so if you can spend some time with that tier list

[outer sand]

ohhh

this one https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zz4sfv

[real edge]

you would appreciate it

[outer sand]

how about the 2nd link?

[real edge]

first ones better

2nd one is with US prices

not AUS

first is AUS prices

with the AUS market in mind rather

[outer sand]

I think both link are AU, cause I know these online stores

the 2nd one got a green check on compatibility list however

[real edge]

I meant the AUS market in mind in terms of prices

just spend some time with the tier list and cross-check prices

to get a better mobo

[outer sand]

alright, so better with 5600 yeah

cause small difference in performance and 50$ price difference

[real edge]

yes

I spent what I saved

on the gpu

6700xt

from the motherboard and memory as well

if you want a better than stock cooler

then get an ak500

or vetroo V5 if you are on a small budget

but stock should suffice for that 5600

do you have an SSD on your current system?

if not, buy one

[outer sand]

yeah I have it

[real edge]

ahh ok

[outer sand]

corsair vengeance and ripjaw difference?

why you picked vengeance the first time and ripjaw the 2nd?

I remember you said you are biased towards vengeance @real edge

price seems the same though

[real edge]

again, AUS market

[outer sand]

oh ripjaw is better? ic ic

[real edge]

I made the first list with US part picker and chose based on US prices

[outer sand]

yeah in AU, both ripjaw and vengeance has the same price

[real edge]

the one with the better gpu is with the AUS market and prices in mind

[outer sand]

oh ic ic

[real edge]

you yourself know your country better than me

[outer sand]

not the pc parts price difference 🥲

[real edge]

the only thing that is the red flag rn is motherboard which is why I told you to cross-check the tier list with your local market prices to see what b-tier or above vrm motherboard you can get for a reasonable price

from B520M, B550, B550M and X570 boards

[outer sand]

for memory just stays with ripjaw yeah? i just googled and someone mentioned that it works with ryzen better

ok yeah I'll just pick up that 550m sd3hc

[real edge]

yeah just whatever 3600mhz, cl16/18 16GB kit is cheaper

[outer sand]

this one is ok? that red compatibility list though https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jpd9Ls

price is over $1k but I can buy the GPU later 😹

I'll stay with 1050 for now

[real edge]

its just telling you

to flash the latest bios

[outer sand]

I only need the CPU to run atm, performance improvement comes later 🥲

[real edge]

remove the cooler

if it allows you to get

the gpu

this is for 89

[dull garnet]

idd, cooler is a cheaper upgrade later