technology-discussion

[dreamy chasm]

what is your current parts list looking like

[potent arrow]

Idk why I am either

[modest moss]

RIP Cyan's sanity

[dull garnet]

can't help yourselves

[potent arrow]

Prayge for cyan

[dreamy chasm]

i'm bored

[potent arrow]

Rookie mistake

[dull garnet]

aoi seems like 6 months away from buying anything anyway

[modest moss]

godspeed old friend

[dull garnet]

[dreamy chasm]

are you ready to buy aoi

[royal forge]

Im currently approachin vendors with my request for 7700 and a 3090. But they will give me combos to choose

My bday is soon so yeah

[potent arrow]

Aoi I'd always 6 months away from buying anything

[modest moss]

Aoi has been talking about buying for literally months

[potent arrow]

Moving goal post

[dreamy chasm]

Do you need a 3090

[dull garnet]

isn't 7700 ddr5 only

[dreamy chasm]

That shit gets hot

yes

[dull garnet]

[modest moss]

this is out soon, that is out soon, etc

[dull garnet]

that's that sorted then

[royal forge]

I would like a 3090 cuz i like 3d rendering

[dreamy chasm]

am4 D5 only

Fair enough

[dull garnet]

2 year old video card? cringe...

[royal forge]

But im flexible on CPU. So thats why i saw that ddr 4 had a much cheaper price

So i started looking at alternatives that supported ddr4 but was still a good pairing

[dreamy chasm]

Get a 13600k

And, I hope you're not paying launch price for that 3090

[dull garnet]

5800x3d
$100 on ram
decent psu
cheap motherboard
rest of your budget on a gpu
run it on the motherboard box

[royal forge]

Well.. its cheaper than launch but not by much

Another choice is OEM 3090

Dell oem

Two fans

[dull garnet]

barf

[royal forge]

I dunoe how they got it. But /shrug

[dreamy chasm]

the dell 3090's surprisingly decent from what i've been told

probably just

harvested it from a dell oem rig

[royal forge]

It IS cheaper

By quite a fair margin

[dreamy chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8k5PCmFm7c&t=519s

[potent arrow]

....don't buy an OEM gpu please

[sharp star]

get a Reddit case like one of the O11s or the Hyte Y60

[dreamy chasm]

Issue is the lack of aftermarket warranty

[potent arrow]

You want no grief

And you get an OEM gpu

Sick.

[dreamy chasm]

OEM gpus are usually dogshit

this thing's actually ok

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-mouth-full-awkward-kate-lambert-gif-10560193

[dreamy chasm]

if its the same one

[dull garnet]

get a sexy founder card

[potent arrow]

I'm not trusting it cyan

[dreamy chasm]

shrug

[royal forge]

I actually worked out its cheaper to buy a zotac 3090 from amazon and have it sent here. But theres no warranty

[potent arrow]

I've been around the block too many times and with too many clients

[dreamy chasm]

I see

[sharp star]

I think that Bae Y60 is still in stock but I have to import it via a proxy service

[royal forge]

I can even pick up an ex mining 3090 for half msrp

[potent arrow]

I give up

[royal forge]

Im not sayin i will

[dull garnet]

you could do a lot of things

[royal forge]

Im lookin at zotac or colorful

[potent arrow]

If you don't want trouble of grief don't cheap out on the stuff that matters. Wether you take our advice(you won't) or not is up to you.

Imma go play with my car, have a good day.

[dreamy chasm]

What did you tell them to get?

[potent arrow]

Just look at the channel history we've been talking to aoi for months.

[dreamy chasm]

I'm going back to gposing ig

[royal forge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But before ya go, do u happen to know if there is anything to look out for in a mobo?

[dreamy chasm]

Non shit vrm, the connectivity you need

thats abt it

Most people don't really end up needing more than a basic motherboard with a few nvme slots and a solid vrm

[royal forge]

Alright. Thanks. No particular brand to be wary of, right?

And the cpu u recommended was an i5, yes?

[sharp star]

Gigglebutt

[dreamy chasm]

Not in particular, just get one that reviews well

[dull garnet]

i5-2500K

[sharp star]

lmao that's ancient

[dull garnet]

huh?

[sharp star]

my first build had a Sandy Bridge

[dreamy chasm]

13600k if you can get it close to launch price

[royal forge]

Alright

Thanks

[umbral moss]

you don't need 99.99999% of the XXXTREME OVERCLOCKAN features on the ultra high end boards

like it's easy to be like "wow 430 phase power supply to the CPU socket" but the grim reality is that you're paying a 500% markup for VRMs that will largely sit idle and never really get pushed near their redline

[royal forge]

I figured as much. I just see some rather plain looking ones and some with armor shit on it

So i just wonder what to pay attention to

[umbral moss]

I avoid the gaudy looking stuff because it tends to get in the way of good cooling and parts installation

[sharp star]

I think my board is a Crosshair VIII Hero

[umbral moss]

I remember one board I had required me to bend the northbridge heatsink because the stupid design on the board made it sit too close to the GPU

[sharp star]

I got it before the 5800X3D dropped so when I got mine

no overclocking except for the RAM

[umbral moss]

so when you installed a full-size GPU on the board the GPU PCB shoved the heatsink out of the way

[dull garnet]

I can't imagine paying more than £100 for a motherboard

what a scam

[royal forge]

I remember when i got recommended a mATX board for my ATX case. And i bought the thing to save a few bucks

Because the clown in the local forum told me."best value"

[sharp star]

idk the debug code display is nice

[dull garnet]

there's nothing wrong with mATX

[royal forge]

I know. It just looks empty

Das all

[dull garnet]

doesn't matter

you may end up with worse VRM but really that is true of ATX too, its a per board thing to look into

[umbral moss]

this should be a standard feature on every board, honestly

[sharp star]

I turned off all RGB LEDs otherwise

[royal forge]

A pterygium doesnt matter but people still want it removed

[umbral moss]

that VFD display costs what, like $3 to include?

[sharp star]

god yes

[dull garnet]

simply don't have PC issues

my motherboard didn't let me disable LEDs in the bios so i desoldered the LEDs

[sharp star]

I would like built-in IO shields on every motherboard but that seems to be reserved for the XTREME GAMER boards

[royal forge]

Why?

As in, what is the, uh, reasoning for built in?

[sharp star]

it looks nice and you don't forget about it

[royal forge]

Ah

[dull garnet]

plastic shrouds are a bit naff

imo

[royal forge]

Das fun. Where u headed

I dont know if JP has the same thing as SG

Where u can get a day trip

[umbral moss]

that layover is long enough to climb fucking mt fuji

what the hell

air travel is getting shitty enough that I'm considering getting a pilot's license so I can fly whenever I want

[royal forge]

Sounds fun

That works

But

Akihabara and hokkaido are.. p far

👏👏

Akihabara is fun

Lmao

Ask for old SMN while ur at it pla

Pls*

[bitter girder]

im going to japan for my birthday next year

[royal forge]

U wanna get DMCA-ed?

SE will nuke

[hard drift]

People have already done some of it

[umbral moss]

SE hasn't gone after the XI privserv as far as I know

mostly because it's a "you need to know someone to get in" type thing

[royal forge]

Ah

OH. That reminds me. I gotta find out how the bionicle game is doin

[bitter girder]

nft games

[dull garnet]

[eager sandal]

its a ryzen 3 3250u so its pretty old

[dull garnet]

hardly

[hard drift]

I mean that’s not super old but it’s usable atleast

[eager sandal]

its by no meeans ancient

[hard drift]

It’s new enough that i would swap my laptop for it lmao

[eager sandal]

no way lol

it can run a multitude of stuff on 720p but dont expect to get good frames on anything

[hard drift]

This is my laptop lmao

[eager sandal]

mmmmm

well it could be worse

[hard drift]

I mean it’s dual core and lags doing excel lmao

[eager sandal]

mine's also dual core

[hard drift]

It has a better igpu

[eager sandal]

oh true

[hard drift]

Intel igpus have been extremely lacking vs amd

And continue to be such lol

[bitter girder]

agreed

[potent arrow]

BAHAHAHA

[hard drift]

And even more so now that rdna is going into the igpus

[bitter girder]

thats cool

[hard drift]

Ketchup and mustard cables

[bitter girder]

ugleeee

[dull garnet]

stop being cringe

[umbral moss]

wonder if arc is going to replace iris in igpu

[sharp star]

Intel Arc iGPUs with even shittier drivers

Intel hire me

[hard drift]

Eventually

[dull garnet]

A400

[umbral moss]

I'm still a bit surprised that AMD never leveraged HSA with APUs

[hard drift]

What’d i do

[dull garnet]

🤢

[hard drift]

Hsa?

[umbral moss]

so you could have like, a 2P setup with two igpus that are run in tandem

heterogeneous system architecture

they wanted to merge CPU and GPU functionality into one monolithic structure

which is kind of how APUs are designed

but you can't scale APUs into 2P+ setups

[hard drift]

Ah

[umbral moss]

although apple does this with M1/M1 ultra lmao

"we need more performance"

"just add a second M1 on the die"

[bitter girder]

m1 my beloved

[umbral moss]

oh yeah, the old unguarded fan design

with the fucking wires 0.4mm from the blades

[bitter girder]

poke your finger in it

[modest moss]

just use an adult case instead of those toddler sized ones

petition to change sff to tff

toddler form factor

[bitter girder]

tff cases are cool

[dull garnet]

here's my sff pc

[sly elk]

o_O are those side rails 80/20?!

[hard drift]

[sly elk]

I hate the way Apple did the M1 🙂

[dull garnet]

why is it half naked

[sly elk]

the heat spreader doesn't cover the ram chips

you just hit why I hate the SoC design.

what kinda jackass puts the ram on the chip

[dull garnet]

the biggest pc company in the world

[sly elk]

lol a chip mounted on a chip

it even looks half assed

because of how goofy the heat spreader looks 😄

[dull garnet]

that's a 3 cent saving per unit!

[sly elk]

they're basically using the ram like a fat l3 cache I think?

or something in between ram and an l3

but the real reason to hate that, is there's no way to just add more

but apple loves soldering things on

for a company that goes on and on about how green they are, I mean, they produce the greenest ewaste in the industry for sure

[dull garnet]

mainly for creating products that are desirable until eol basically

Mindless self indulgence

[devout nexus]

to my fellow canadian peeps

https://www.memoryexpress.com/Brand/intel/13thGenPCGiveaway.Offer.aspx

may as well enter, hope you win GL

free contest

a shit that msi PSU sells well too

i won a headset once at the stampede thats about it

[devout nexus]

where did you get that pic from icehunter

of the msi psu

[umbral moss]

https://novelkeys.com/products/cherry-mx-black-clear-tops

this might be the key for me

I prefer the separate loops for higher surface area and less cross-contamination

🤔

you want to use both rads in parallel?

you'll probably need both pumps to keep the pressure up then

that's how I have my single loop set up, the reservoirs feed the CPU and the outlet from the CPU goes to the GPU

GPU returns to the reservoir

🤔

this is how I have mine configured

pumps in series, at the lowest point in the loop to have gravity assist them in feeding water from the reservoirs

CPU, GPU, radiator, reservoirs, return to pumps

I don't have a lot of surface area (only 1 2x200 radiator) but I have a fucking ton of water volume so I don't see big changes in temperature without a huge heat load

I don't know what you're thinking of, separate loops is the most efficient so you don't share heat

a big part of my loop's issue is that the CPU dumps hot water into the GPU so I don't get the true reservoir/radiator temperature water going to the GPU

[sly elk]

you still have room for another 360 and a 120

[umbral moss]

your setup is probably a little more efficient for a single pump configuration since you're cooling the water between the CPU and GPU

[sly elk]

get cracking!

[umbral moss]

I always prefer two pumps for the extra pressure and head

the reservoir should be the lowest point in the loop with a drain plug

so gravity just pulls all the coolant instead of having to sit there playing shake weight with the fucking case to get all the liquid out

when I pull the bottom fitting out of my reservoirs all the water comes out

I also have a drain inside the case for the same purpose

you don't have enough pressure

open a port on top of the line and introduce some air

yeah

[jaunty light]

Is your pump d5 or ddc

[umbral moss]

water hammer that shit

looks like you need to add one

you're getting pressure diffed on the other end of the circuit so there's no follower to push the rest of the water out

yeah, you just want to open the ball valve and add air

so as the water drains it doesn't get hydrolocked somewhere since you reach pressure equilibrium

it also lets you bleed air quickly from the circuit

you can just pressurize the pump for a bit and let the air escape as it reaches the top of the loop

all you need to do is make sure there's no air bubbles in your blocks

it's just cleaner because each pump has its own res and rad

so you don't need to worry about head or pressure

it's a simple loop with only one heat source so you can tune the cooling system closer to the heat load you expect

[bitter girder]

Asda did not have any cinnamon buns

I'm fucking fuming

[jaunty light]

Come over i am a cinnamon bun

[bitter girder]

i am coming to do you

[modest moss]

tesco my dude

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/276132657

get this big chonker

[bitter girder]

TESCO WAS A 2 MINUTE DRIVE AWAY FUCK

i completely forgot

[modest moss]

go now it'll still be open

[bitter girder]

tired

[hard drift]

Slacker

[bitter girder]

its half 9

leave me be

and its rare for me to be tired before 2am

so this is good

[hard drift]

😒

[jaunty light]

I need some hot vanilla cream

[bitter girder]

damn shawty

fr?

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-has-a-hidden-ambient-temperature-sensor neat 😮

[jaunty light]

Frfr ive been a bad bun and need frosting now

[dull garnet]

oh my god a hidden temp sensor 🤯

how will nvidia recover

[hard drift]

???

[bitter girder]

just your average cinnamon bun

[umbral moss]

why would it? you leave the valve closed 🤔

[jaunty light]

[umbral moss]

the only time it ever opens is if you're bleeding the loop so who cares if there's a little splash

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/nekopara-cinnamon-cinnamon-minaduki-cinnamon-nekopara-sayori-gif-22992112

[bitter girder]

right i've consumed enough sugar

time to rearrange the attic for no reason

this is tech related because im typing this from a computer

[hard drift]

Smh

[dull garnet]

debatable

[bitter girder]

exactly

[jaunty light]

Im on a phone its tech discussion

[bitter girder]

exactly

[potent arrow]

The fluid coming out of my car tastes like shit

[hard drift]

???? Why’re you tasting it

[sharp star]

why are you drinking the car juice

[late basalt]

Same reason they fondled caps hooked up to mains

[hard drift]

Cause sarah is insane?

[potent arrow]

Trying to determine if it's like

Oil, atf or coolant

[umbral moss]

is your tongue a gas chromatography mass spectrometer?

[potent arrow]

I think it's gas.

[umbral moss]

like, why would you put any of those things in your mouth lmao

[potent arrow]

It's gas...

Smells like gas

Tastes like shitty gas

Prob gas

[jaunty light]

Weld the leaky spot

[potent arrow]

Leaky fuel line from rust

Probably...

Thanks cananmda

[jaunty light]

Shrimply rub maple syrup on it

[potent arrow]

I'll try that

[hard drift]

Can’t be any worse than the salt

[umbral moss]

you can fix almost any part of a car with jb weld so

[jaunty light]

Ive got some weld thatll fix your holes

[hard drift]

???

[jaunty light]

Dont worry about it bidi

[hard drift]

😐

bidi smh

[jaunty light]

BIDorI

Bidi

[hard drift]

😭

[bitter girder]

dori dori dori dori dori

[sly elk]

helping this guy at work

he's kinda hopeless X_X

[jaunty light]

Hey dont say that about me

[sly elk]

-gives a cookie-

not you XD

[bitter girder]

how hopeless

[boreal surge]

What they said

[deep sapphire]

weeb

[old jetty]

Caught in 4k

[royal forge]

@nocturne harness What do ya think

[nocturne harness]

wrong ping, idk these computer things

[royal forge]

whoops sorry bud

Hahah my bad my bad

[nocturne harness]

all good

[royal forge]

@dreamy chasm

[modest moss]

obviously you have been chosen, go research and get back to us

[royal forge]

tbh, cutely greeding cast and failing mechanics is the same thing, really

[nocturne harness]

[modest moss]

it's easy, just say "AMD bad, Intel and Nvidia good" and you'll fit right in

[hoary crater]

im definitely not considering going full AMD

[dull garnet]

Get a pcie4 nvme

[royal forge]

500 ringgit

give or take

[royal forge]

Don't cheap out on cooler. Get at least Deepcool Assassin III. Look for MSI Z790-A Pro Wifi. It has beefy VRM for the price. RTX 3090 isn't value. You can find RTX 3080 Ti at RM3699 from Lazada with a bit less performance. Also, single Kingston KC3000 2TB at RM935 will trump that 2 SSDs.
This was the feedback i got

on my local forum

the 3080ti as value was..

odd

The mention of VRM sorta goes against what @umbral moss mentioned

in that I likely wont really benefit from the VRM

[deep sapphire]

wym

omg

😭

[hard drift]

over 2 hours

[deep sapphire]

wow what a great game

[hard drift]

the OWL is so nice right now, it's 1/1 and really tight games

[royal forge]

hank, look, im goin intel

maybe

[deep sapphire]

dont break my heart

[royal forge]

go play ur weeb game

[dull garnet]

He even has the fancy launcher info

[deep sapphire]

yeah

[dull garnet]

La di da

[deep sapphire]

whjat

is that spanish

for

video gamesxa

games

[dull garnet]

Yes

[deep sapphire]

okay good

where are the cat girls

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/catgirl-come-on-already-cat-gif-24598868

[real edge]

it is true that the 3090 isn't value normally

but you are using it for 3d stuff, right?

[royal forge]

Ye

[real edge]

ssd speed does not matter much unless you're moving huge files

beefy vrm usually means better vrm cooling which means your mobo can handle better cpus

[royal forge]

But if im goin i5

I dont THINK thats too bad?

[real edge]

check if people have built pcs with that board and that cpu

[royal forge]

Ok

[real edge]

wait, isn't this motherboard an amd one

[royal forge]

Is it? I didnt look at it yet

I'll check later

[real edge]

I googled the b550 one and it keeps bringing up amd results

[hard drift]

you mean b560?

[royal forge]

U mean the one i listed? Odd. Cuz pc partpucker doesnt show a problem

[real edge]

the one I replied to but

[hard drift]

50 is amd, 60 is intel

[real edge]

b660 is indeed the correct one

[royal forge]

Oh. Misclicked

Lmao my bad

[hard drift]

i was confused because they had b660 in their pc part picker lol

[real edge]

bxx boards on intel do not allow for overclocking

[royal forge]

Haha sorry. My local site has p funny search algos

And i didnt check properly

[hard drift]

[real edge]

so keep that in mind when getting a B board

[royal forge]

I search 3090 and they suggest ?1650

Aite

ooo local msi has an offer for the z board

[hard drift]

also isn't this mostly true, wasn't there some boards that allowed you to adjust it essentially overclocking it

[hard drift]

690 or 790?

[royal forge]

Z690

[hard drift]

nice

[royal forge]

Nice

[hard drift]

😒 not what i meant fucker

[royal forge]

Hehe

[hard drift]

[royal forge]

790 has better vrm?

I assume

[hard drift]

idk about the vrm but it's a basically pointless chipset unless you really need the extra PCIE

[royal forge]

Sli 3090ti

[hard drift]

don't pull an ICE 😭

[royal forge]

SLI 4090

[hard drift]

doesn't exist

[royal forge]

[hard drift]

sli is not present

[royal forge]

NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE

[hard drift]

only through dx12/vulkan could you do it

and even then... why

[royal forge]

Cuz i like the smell of melted cables

[hard drift]

[royal forge]

Some people like smoked meats

I like smoked plastic

[hard drift]

don't worry, why get a 4090 when you can get 3 4080 and have even more burning cables

[royal forge]

Damn

[real edge]

https://youtu.be/I7-2ArdYvfA?t=860 cooling performance of the chip you are trying to buy

looks like you may need to undervolt it?

[royal forge]

OH

I WAS told i should get a better cooler

[real edge]

you can set a different power profile for the cpu

to make it run cooler

idk if that counts as "overclocking" though, I am not familiar with intel B boards

anyways the 13600k is a good cpu

its one step above am4 in price but better performance if you do not count the 5800x3d

[royal forge]

5800x3d is a bit too expensive here

Iirc

I'll have to check back

[real edge]

in the US its 330$

here its like 350euro

[royal forge]

I'll look at it later

Im out at subway

[real edge]

x3d is only worthwhile in games

not workloads

[royal forge]

Ah

I was wonderin if my choice of the i5 might hamper me in physics sims

I'll have to check the blender database later

Haha. Even tho im prob commited to ddr4

I see the ddr5 havin double the speed and get monkas

FOMO

[modest moss]

13600k is very similar to my 12700k, shade better

so depending on availability and prices you might want to look at that

sounds like the 13600k is poggers

[real edge]

ddr4 has far better timings which make up for the lack of speed, until ddr5 gets better timings or gets much faster, it will only be 4-5% faster

ddr4 can reach speeds up to 4000mhz at the highest end

but timings get iffy up there

much better to keep solid timings for it at 3466-3600

[royal forge]

Might get 64gb

Hyperx is p good right?

G skill is quite hard to find here u less u like rgb

[sly elk]

tbh my current build is the first time I've bought ram in ages

the last time I bought ram before that was a friggin 512mb chip for my powermac g4 lmao

[odd sand]

There are ddr4 kits well above 4000, they just cost more than buying ddr5

Think the top kits are over 5000 even for something silly like $500+

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/xzibit-its-xzibit-gif-13153028

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-27-2015/JoQ0Jk.gif

tbh whatever this is

is more accurate lmao

[sly elk]

corsair ram?

there are a few reasons that can happen besides defective ram

[odd sand]

Ice has some terrible PC hardware luck

[sly elk]

one is if you slam your cpu at 100% and icue can't keep up

another is if two programs are trying to control the ram's rgb

motherboard software has a bad habit of doing that

try disabling the software theme and just using the hardware one?

[modest moss]

wanna know how to never, ever have rgb issues?

[odd sand]

Yeah if you use icue you probably want to run it all thru the corsair controller and not the mobo headers

[sly elk]

lol

[modest moss]

zero rgb, zero issues

[sly elk]

no but seriously, you can use hardware lighting themes and just disable icue

[real edge]

timings?

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-unicorn-rainbow-gif-12911499

[sly elk]

lol

see here's my thing

my asus motherboard's software is useless garbage shit

[jaunty light]

where ddr5 royal wryyyy

[sly elk]

(just like the firmware on ice's asus board)

so I uninstalled that shit

and I use icue for everything

[odd sand]

My cpu is now being delivered Sat instead of Monday, so I sure hope my friend is home to pick it up that day and its not sitting on the porch to be stolen

I'm out of town but Newegg had more in stock so I jumped on it and delivered it to them

[sly elk]

that said

corsair's engineers are mostly in taiwan... but...

but they do have a senior software architect job in the US

https://edix.fa.us2.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX_1/requisitions/preview/6740/?location=United+States&locationId=300000000361862&locationLevel=country

sexy

[odd sand]

Is that soft tubing or hard?

[jaunty light]

[sly elk]

-chuckle-

[odd sand]

Dismantle the loop for the 6th time? /s

[sly elk]

-does a custom build with quick-disconnects EVERYWHERE-

[jaunty light]

Ya

[sly elk]

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT0yaWp7G_A

[sly elk]

TBH I didn't know they existed outside of alphacool

now that I know they exist.. maybe i'm a little less apprehensive to do a custom loop

yea they're not even that horribly expensive, for water cooling fittings

looks like $40-50 for a set

oh alphacool sells theirs separate as well

it's $14 lol

https://www.amazon.com/Alphacool-17359-Quick-Release-Connector/dp/B01HQ8KUHQ

they're huge and ugly and plastic though

yea now that I know these have huge variety i'm not sure why they're not more popular

[late basalt]

adds complexity

more failure points

[sly elk]

i suppose because people who do custom loops are really doing them for aesthetics

[sly elk]

pft any fitting is a failure point 😄

[jaunty light]

real men fully drain and disassemble 10 hard tubes every time they need to do anything

[sly elk]

-gets out some copper and some shark bite fittings-

[late basalt]

what would make sense for QCs is for ease of refilling or draining the loop when necessary

[sly elk]

^

[jaunty light]

pay me to make your hard loop and I will bend the tubes in such a way you cant get to any NVMe slots on the mobo

[sly elk]

^ I'd be tempted to put them on the rads if i wanted to play around with different loop configs

i wanna learn how to do it

because if I did it

if I did that I'd make a spiral loop

[late basalt]

no horny in #technology-discussion ice

[jaunty light]

i will vigorously bend your tube

[sly elk]

like i would want a big case and just

have 2 spiral sippy tubes coming off my cpu waterblock

lol

[jaunty light]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803857516542.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US

[sly elk]

my pc would look like those mcdonalds playground things

[late basalt]

mini organ, but it's actually an "open air" watercooled pc

[sly elk]

ahahhaha

open loop watercooler

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-fountain-water-splash-gif-14478045

[jaunty light]

help me

[sly elk]

as a kid, i thought organs were scary

as an adult i think they're awesome

like half the reason i wanna learn to play piano

is so I can learn how to play an organ

[jaunty light]

I thought were were talking about organs, not organs

[sly elk]

can you imagine making music on one of those fuckers

[late basalt]

considering the mechanics of how they operate? yea, pretty fucking interesting things

🤔

[sly elk]

it's like the aircraft carrier of musical instruments

[late basalt]

i'ma youtube somnething real quick

[jaunty light]

here we simp for rob again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQHdFAm7g7E

[sly elk]

aw what's the fun in that

[late basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BHVr3FQZc4

[jaunty light]

NO TUBES ONLY FITTINGS

maybe i shoulda just bit the bullet and bought the gold ones

[sly elk]

pft lol

shape that tube like a man

[jaunty light]

glass would be cool

i still dont know why fools are out here (cough jay) recommending PETG

[modest moss]

MYSTERY BAG

[jaunty light]

yes it was november and they still giving me a mystery bag

[late basalt]

🤔 ok, so this guy's pretty fucking good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ5W-yrB9_I

guy basically transcribed Hans Zimmer's INTERSTELLAR soundtrack to an organ

without sheet music to go off

[sly elk]

tbh i would

not necessarily

it's just not something you wanna keep in there forever and ever without checking them

but if they're good i doubt they're any more likely to leak than a regular connector

the thing i'm not buying is the 'dry disconnect' lol

[jaunty light]

maybe I should go buy a 4090 and somehow bring it back in japan

their electronics are probably 2x the price though

300k base price

[jaunty light]

thick

[jaunty light]

theyve done this b4

pay $49.99 a month to unlock ALL the P cores!

[sly elk]

LMAO

OH GOD NO

[jaunty light]

pay $10 now to unlock 24 hours of P core use this month!

[sly elk]

so they've done this before

[jaunty light]

pay $10 now to unlock +200MHz boost!

[sly elk]

I mean

intel has literally done this before

but it wasn't a pay-per-use thing

[jaunty light]

yea i dont remember which gen it was but it was a.. pentium? or celeron

[sly elk]

yea it's sad as fuck lol

it's just a low end shitbox

[jaunty light]

@tame fulcrum how did u purge ur rads

if I put distilled water in that bitch and shake it real hard does that count

[jaunty light]

aight cuz i could do it with the d5 but i dont want the muck getting into the plate

[sly elk]

ya know

you should consider one of those thermaltake things

[jaunty light]

how much fluid do you want?

yes

[sly elk]

or maybe

this one could be kinda fun

i wonder what inwin's been up to

[jaunty light]

he straight up built this loop and did no leak testing

then turned it on

[sly elk]

sadly nothing

now that's confidence 😄

[jaunty light]

i like this case

[sly elk]

i'm sure it's a nightmare to build inside 😄

like every other inwin is

[jaunty light]

probably

[sly elk]

they are fun to look at though

https://builds.gg/builds/triple-rad-hard-line-itx-cm-nr200p-nimbus-29438

i wanna see an o11 with 5 radiators :]

[jaunty light]

i can see how you'd fit 4 in there but 5?

[sly elk]

120mm on the back

[jaunty light]

top bottom side back? 4

[sly elk]

front

[jaunty light]

glass in the front

[sly elk]

if you use the mesh panel

[jaunty light]

could you even fit enough fluid in there

be hard to fill up that many

[sly elk]

lol

[jaunty light]

its weird cuz all of EK builds with conqueror are 2 rad.. but the one on site is 3

but guess im sticking with 3

will put a 120mm fan in the rear though I think that'll be needed

makes sense with the 2 rad since they have 3 cold air intakes

[sly elk]

fuck it

this could be nice

I could put it under my desk

use it as a foot warmer

5.25" DRIVE BAYS

https://tenor.com/view/brock-pokemon-heart-eyes-in-love-gif-12390499

[jaunty light]

is that a..

its not a 932 but also not an atcs?

[sly elk]

cm stacker?

[jaunty light]

definitely CM they love their ugly front panels

[sly elk]

it's a cm stacker

no doubt

[jaunty light]

840 was a baller's case

I CAN REMOVE MY MOTHERBOARD TRAY TO GO FROM BUSINESS MODE TO GAMER MODE

[sly elk]

oldschool coolermaster was fun

[jaunty light]

230mm intake fan?? HOW ABOUT ADD 2 MORE 120S BEHIND THE HARD DRIVE CAGE FOR SUPERIOR AIRFLOW!!!

[sly elk]

fake glass fan surround

[jaunty light]

i am once again asking for discord to fix the double upload

[sly elk]

didn't someone here have one of those

[jaunty light]

i had a pretty boring case selection now that i think about it

[sly elk]

the coolermaster i always wanted was this one

[jaunty light]

antec 300->haf 932->750d->meshify c->4000D->O11D XL

its circular

build with water in it is gonna weigh so fuckin much

probably more than my 932/750ds did

[sly elk]

lol hey one of those cms on hardforum

i loved all-aluminum cases thouhg

they were pretty inside

daamn

https://hardforum.com/threads/the-coolermaster-gallery.833100/page-42#post-1035985490

this dude's build lol

[jaunty light]

everyone rockin out with rattlecans

[sly elk]

there was a phase when people were airbrushing pc cases a lot

I totally forgot

[jaunty light]

blue fire fuz it runs cool

taking you to flavortown

[sly elk]

whyyyy

[jaunty light]

Reasons

Random hyte in the corner

[sly elk]

i think their o11 has a 40xx in it

the hyte clearly has a 30xx

[dull garnet]

Look no further than the TJ-07

[sly elk]

never seen that color before lol

[analog aspen]

seasonic focus plus 750 gold (ssr-750fx) 750w 80 gold is this a good psu for 5700x?

[sly elk]

what kinda gpu do you wanna use with it?

it's fine for a 5700x

totally fine

[analog aspen]

Im going to use 3080 once i have a budget

[sly elk]

hmmmm

yes, but you'd be better off with an 850w

[analog aspen]

850w most store are out of stock damn

[sly elk]

what about 1000w? 😄

i think that's funny. when I bought my 1000w the 850w were always going on sale

[analog aspen]

3070 or 3070 ti would that psu work?

[sly elk]

but yea you can use a 750w. that's actually the recommended minimum psu for using a 3080

i used a 3080ti and a i7 9700k with a 750w and it got unstable. Might have been issues with the PSU itself but I tossed it in an old machine and it's been working great in there

[analog aspen]

Hmm

Well i guess its good for now since im still using 1050 ti

[sly elk]

they are good 750w psus

that much is for sure

[dull garnet]

i use a 650 for my 3060 Ti

the way components are heading i would probably spend a little more on a 1KW at this stage

[sly elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/ymghot/can_i_uninstall_edge/

[royal forge]

@deep sapphire https://youtu.be/4xOEIpbxM4w

[real edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-l8dJRvb3c

@royal forge cost per frame might be relevant so I will ping

[royal forge]

Thanksss

Wow. The i5 does indeed benefit from ddr5 then

But im aimin 64gb

So might not be THAT greedy

[real edge]

seems like i5 is good performance per frame if paired with ddr4

[royal forge]

Ye

[real edge]

with am4 stuff being the best value as expected but hm

I still think ddr5 is too expensive

the best stuff is like this

[royal forge]

G skill is less common here

Vs hyperz

HyperX

[real edge]

6000 is 210

[royal forge]

Lemme open me spreadsheet

I actually did a big ole spreadsheet

[real edge]

but generally speaking the i5 is great for mixed gaming and workload stuff

but its more expensive to game on for not much gain if at all vs an x3d

since you are doing mixed stuff the i5 is good for you

[royal forge]

Msi is offerin me an i7 so im lookin at prices

Them cpu mobo combos

[real edge]

how much $$?

is the offer

[royal forge]

just got back

gime a mo

the mobo @tame fulcrum suggested

with an 13600k

with a 13700k

with an i9 13900k

im just currently browsing the prices and spreadsheeting it out

i even did one for RAM prices

[real edge]

280euro for a motherboard seems a bit much

[royal forge]

Top kek

[royal forge]

true

but im trying to find an average regular price of the CPU

to see if I get savings or not

the 280 euros are about par tbh

other sellers are selling the same model for arnd the same price

[real edge]

you do not really need a z790 board

unless you are planning to OC

[royal forge]

the 5800x3d costs ABOUT 380 USD, 13500k costs AROUND 330 USD

ye. I was thinkin a B series board is enough?

but as you can see, there is a fair bit of price diff here v US/EU

iirc

i think i saw prices on amazon for the 5800x3d and the 13500k to have a bigger diff?

[real edge]

5800x3d here is 340-ish euro

[royal forge]

UHH gimme a mo to convert

[real edge]

13600k ix 370

but I already have an am4 platform so the upgrade is straightforward for me

[royal forge]

ah

the 13600k is cheaper here

maybe its cuz we have a foundry here?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real edge]

will you be doing cpu workloads as well?

[royal forge]

just some physics sims stuff in blender

or CPU heavy games

not too crazy

i would think

[dreamy chasm]

5800x3d launched at 380-400, Asia pricing tends to be more rigid than in the west

[sharp star]

yep

[royal forge]

so ye, the i5 is cheaper here.

vs the 5800x3d

RAM is more of HyperX stuff

i will prob settle for a H board, cuz.. Z boards seem.. excessive?

[dreamy chasm]

Just get a random 3600 cl16 kit

[royal forge]

i was told better vrm but

thats not really benefiting me?

[dreamy chasm]

You want a non dogwater vrm

Shitty vrms overheat and throttle your cpu

[real edge]

as long as the vrm is decent you will be fine

[dreamy chasm]

You can find b series boards with decent vrms, and z series boards with shitty ones

[real edge]

you do not need anything godly for a 13600k

[dreamy chasm]

It's less the chipset and the actual vrm itself

[royal forge]

i see the MSI B 660 tomahawk is well reviewed

so i thought the vrm was aite

[dreamy chasm]

Should be fine

[royal forge]

just fired off some emails to the tech stores

asking for quotes

and offers

[dreamy chasm]

You lose out on overclocking, but the chip does fine stock anyway

[royal forge]

which board has overclocking then

z series?

[dreamy chasm]

Just be sure to ask if they're able to flash the bios on your cpu to make it compatible with 13th gen for you

[royal forge]

i could tell them im open to overclocking and see what boards they offer me

[dreamy chasm]

Sure

[royal forge]

gonna take a while

gotta vet the companies too

cuz i got such amazing brands like

dotatech

etech

and it's competitor e-tech

Yes IT

CastleIT

[dreamy chasm]

I've heard none of them

[royal forge]

hahahaa

ye

these are local stores

there isn't an amazon equivalent here

apart from a rando place that jacks up the price to 20%

and got shocked when i asked for a price list cuz they usually just sell prebuilts

[dreamy chasm]

Oh, thought you meant hardware brands

[royal forge]

we literally have a building with multiple shops where you can go haggle for components

[dull garnet]

who even overclocks anymore

[royal forge]

OH

god no

[dreamy chasm]

Overclocking is a

For fun thing, at this point

There's practically next to no point with how high cpus boost

These days

[royal forge]

i see

[dull garnet]

good vrm and psu will let the cpu boost better i guess

[royal forge]

any mobo variant to recommend then?

like Z or B or?

or a brand

[dreamy chasm]

The tomahawk you wanted earlier is fine

[dreamy chasm]

Just keep this in mind

Because b660 is an older platform, it might not have support out of box

[dull garnet]

i would go for that B660 Tomahawk

surely it can flash without a CPU like my B450 Tomahawk tho

[dreamy chasm]

Good motherboards these days let you run boost clocks indefinitely if your cooling is good enough

[royal forge]

Don't cheap out on cooler. Get at least Deepcool Assassin III. Look for MSI Z790-A Pro Wifi. It has beefy VRM for the price. RTX 3090 isn't value. You can find RTX 3080 Ti at RM3699 from Lazada with a bit less performance.

Also, single Kingston KC3000 2TB at RM935 will trump that 2 SSDs.
This was word for word what I got as a reply in my local forum

i mean

[dull garnet]

yeah that's trash advice

[sharp star]

yeahhhhhhhh uh

[royal forge]

but he's like, THE person everyone asks for opinion on builds

[sharp star]

questionable at best, garbage at worst

[royal forge]

so i was confused when he'd tell me one thing

and i go online and see other shit

[dull garnet]

that's the fun thing about opinions

don't waste money on a z790

[royal forge]

he told me 3090 wasnt value.. but netiher is the 3080ti

Im unfamiliar with DeepCool too.

is it good?

i was eyeing up beQuiet cause of the looks

[dull garnet]

deepcool is fine but weren't you looking at that bequiet

they're basically on par

lol.

[royal forge]

alrighties

and the Kingston he mentioned

its QUITE pricey

[dull garnet]

storage is whatever

not of importance

just grab what you can get a decent deal on

[dreamy chasm]

The 3080ti advice is fine

[royal forge]

i mean, i suppose so

but the diff is the VRAM

which im focusing on

[dull garnet]

except aoi explicitly wanted the 3090 for the mass vram

[royal forge]

ye

[dull garnet]

so disregard that person

basically

[royal forge]

ah well

im flying over to a place near the big electronics store place

soon

so i'll go there with my price list

and haggle

fun

fuck i've not even looked at the cases or monitors

this build SHOULD be able to do 1440p two monitors right

[dull garnet]

ofc

[royal forge]

aite. Time to look at monitors Nhadala linked me a while back

and pick up some offers

[dreamy chasm]

how much is the

970 evo plus

there

[royal forge]

you mean the SSD?

[dreamy chasm]

ssd

[royal forge]

gimme a mo

[dreamy chasm]

yea

[royal forge]

evo or evo plus

no clue on the diff

[dull garnet]

one is plus

[royal forge]

what

[dull garnet]

they're both gen 3 pcie so whatever

[dreamy chasm]

either or

[royal forge]

costs RM699.80, uhhh 150 USD?

970 evo plus 1TB

[dull garnet]

that seems a lot

[royal forge]

ah. Is it?

well

everything is..

[dreamy chasm]

the 2tb is 200 bucks in the US, but pricing is fucky in other countries

[royal forge]

The KC 3000 he recommended is AROUND 93 USD?

2TB is around double that

[dull garnet]

that's gen 4 too

zoom zoom

[royal forge]

oh

good choice for that then

[sharp star]

gotta pay for that Samsung premium

[royal forge]

ah

[dreamy chasm]

Is the kc3000 just 200 where you are?

[royal forge]

2TB ye

AROUND that price

so that might be a good idea i suppose

[dreamy chasm]

It's a good price for that capacity-- compared to what it launched at anyway

[dreamy chasm]

They're a really old cooler manufacturer, they still make good stuff

[royal forge]

ooo fancy

[royal forge]

ah. i see! thanks

oof 3200 Mhz

[dull garnet]

3200 is fine, but 3600 cl16 is generally recommended because there's not much of a premium. less of a big deal for intel either way

[royal forge]

RAMs isn't THAT big of a deal on which manufacturers, right?

i mean, Cosair, G skill, HyperX

[dull garnet]

nope

[royal forge]

anything is fine ?

[dreamy chasm]

It only really starts mattering once you start wanting to overclock

[dull garnet]

unless you plan on overclocking or something and want samsung chipz or whatever

[dreamy chasm]

Yea

[royal forge]

Lmao

theres even ADATA XPG RAM

i forgot

damn

[dull garnet]

i use an adata nvme

[royal forge]

i dont know what that bolt does

[dreamy chasm]

I have rgb ram

[dull garnet]

satisfies autism

[dreamy chasm]

except I have it set to always off

because I only bought it due to how cheap it was on sale at the time

[dull garnet]

[royal forge]

damn

armored RAM

[dreamy chasm]

I wish they just sold high performance ram sticks without the heatsinks so I didn't have to pay as much

[dull garnet]

that reminds me of some geil DDR2... except i don't think it was any cheaper

BLACK DRAGON

[dreamy chasm]

you know

that actually

looks pretty cool

[dull garnet]

it does

[royal forge]

Very punk in a way

[dreamy chasm]

i want my bare sticks of ram

[dull garnet]

could always pry your heatsinks off

[dreamy chasm]

it's probably glued on

man

[dreamy chasm]

im looking through my e-tailers and they all have dogshit sites

[dull garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAGHK0xozRc anyone else watch this channel? its great

[royal forge]

i...

dont know what to think about this

[dull garnet]

💸

[hard drift]

They’re great OC cards

[jaunty light]

Galax hof are always gaudy like that

[royal forge]

im currently being offered an Inno 3D or a galax 3090

[jaunty light]

The design is good its just thr crown thing that looks godawful

[royal forge]

for a cheaper price v the zotac

[jaunty light]

I would go galax

[royal forge]

may i know why

[jaunty light]

Zotac is poverty brand

[royal forge]

and vs zotac, which would you go?

cuz i dont mind payin a bit extra for ease of mind tbh

[jaunty light]

Imo if you offer nothing over FE (to be fair, nvidia is basically cannibalizing AIBs) i wouldnt really buy unless the warranty is really good or they are kinda local

[royal forge]

Wdym

[jaunty light]

Zotac heatsink designs are mid af

[royal forge]

Ah

And galax?

[jaunty light]

And they usually just use ref pcb anyways

[royal forge]

Asus or msi are like.. uhh 250 USD more?