🏞｜general-with-images

[split valve]

post it

i mean ive posted very sexy artistic images

Theres an automatic filter as far as i know.

[iron field]

Very happy with this one

[split valve]

is it SDXL?

[iron field]

No, 1.5

[foggy jay]

seriusly 1.5?

[split valve]

looks better than current SDXL

[iron field]

Yeah, Photon model

[foggy jay]

well photon model and 1.5 its not the same xd

[iron field]

oh sorry

Not SDXL

[foggy jay]

no sorry man I understand you.. but this is impossible in the vanilla 1.5

[iron field]

right

Also using controlnet

[foggy jay]

Anyway its a incredible image... seriusly

[split valve]

seems very clear image for 1.5

some SDXL

[foggy jay]

Definitely these days of waiting are going to be eternally long. They are magnificent.

[split valve]

SDXL is having problems with skin,, eyes, hands, lips etc. it needs refining

[split valve]

1.5?

[foggy jay]

XL

[split valve]

Thats well done, its handling the symmetry well and the lines of the features are accurate.

maybe they are improving it daily behind the scenes?? i use clipdropio

[foggy jay]

Im out of credits now...

[split valve]

me too... im waiting for my daily renew thing.

[iron field]

Will SDXL be free and locally run?

[sterile temple]

Yup

[foggy jay]

How many generations does it allow you to create... in my case it's rare to get more than 6 if I remember correctly, sometimes less and I get the message "enough for today my boy :)"

[split valve]

🙂 1500 a day. cause i subscribed

and i still use them all

[foggy jay]

LOOL, yes this helped a lot...

[split valve]

Those images i posted well they are just a few out of the current 3000 +

from 2 days

[foggy jay]

I find myself in a serious and paralyzing doubt, on the one hand 10 dollars is nothing... on the other I'm going to have it for free in a few days... as I say I can't decide.

[split valve]

But i think of my electricity bill. its not free to run it on your own card

[foggy jay]

That is true, another aspect to take into account.

[split valve]

And then what speed would you be running at on your own card? versue instant

they probably run on H100s

[shut sinew]

[foggy jay]

That is one of the things that I would love to know, because being used to waiting a few seconds on a 3060, things are going to be hard.

[split valve]

Pay for one month. bookmark the cancelation page.. just see how it goes for a month

[foggy jay]

how much for a month?

[split valve]

for me it was £7.90

its like $5 or something

1500 instant SDXL images a day

[foggy jay]

I read like 1000 credits for 10 bucks...

Maybe I'm wrong and I didn't understand well

[split valve]

Maybe they keep updating the terms im not sure

[foggy jay]

It's easy to get out of doubt, I'll take a look

[split valve]

The only major advantage for running it on your own card is NSFW content... But clipdrops filter misses it quite a bit, im getting images i cant post here

[foggy jay]

If I'm not mistaken, 1000 credits 10 dollars, it indicates approximately 5000 images but it is not correct since XL usually consumes 1.60 approx. You should have a really advantageous old plan, I wouldn't lose it 🙂

[split valve]

Pro
5£per month
Skip Queue Stable Diffusion XL (1500 images per day)

Skip Queue Uncrop (1000 images per day)

Unlimited Background Removal HD

Unlimited Cleanup Pictures HD

Unlimited Relight HD

Unlimited Image Upscaler up to x16

Unlimited Web Editor

Unlimited Text Remover

Unlimited ClipDrop iOS

Unlimited ClipDrop Android

Unlimited Replace Background

[foggy jay]

Sorry my fault, I was looking at the prices of dreamstudio.

[shy fern]

MJ niji is quite impressive, I got sick of MJ due to the aggressive censorship though

[boreal falcon]

Never used it tbh, i mean Niji

And stopped using MJ since back in december 2022

So even before V5

Only Firefly/Generative Fill atm

[sterile kiln]

Firefly 🤮

I have both on Photoshop, and I can say that Stable.Art does 100 times better than Firefly

[shy fern]

this was v5 niji, I can beat it with locally run sd1.5 custom models, lora and controlnet etc. but it was fairly impressive in it's ability to draw with minimal prompts and get characters right.

[boreal falcon]

Not in my experience

Well depends on some stuff

[boreal falcon]

SD allows more control to say the least which ofc is a bonus point

I used SD before but i knew from the beginning it wont end up in my pipeline

[untold zodiac]

anybody know where i can get advice for lora making?

im making a lora of a very complicated character

[oak osprey]

the new SDXL paper throws shade on MJ 5.2 saying it doesn't do prompts as well as 5.1 lol

@untold zodiac #🔧｜finetune

[untold zodiac]

thanks

[weak sage]

censorship and art dont mix

[shy fern]

this was when I gave up

[tawdry tartan]

scannable QR's

[boreal falcon]

In case of AI art generators they do 😄

I mean ofc its also easy to do so compared to do it in digital art programs like Photoshop

[split valve]

Art should not be censored.

its an attack on freedoms.

[boreal falcon]

Disagree

Also i dont care about certain degree of freedom

Also here where i live some art is forbidden, not because of art but because of propaganda it might propose

We have harsh anti nazi laws

[split valve]

yea i dont think there shoud be any censorship in art. But putting certain art in certain places, thats where the problem happens.

[split valve]

is that 1.5? the details are coherent.

[iron field]

I'm using models from Civati but it's not SDXL

[split valve]

SDXL draws a perfect violin.

[wild sorrel]

something weird happenning to strings

[split valve]

its not entirely perfect

[zealous swan]

Anyone fix

[weak sage]

this is why i use 1.5

[weak sage]

what’s this an old family photo of yours?

[iron field]

I’ve found using certain painter references gets the details on figures right in clever ways

[weak sage]

missing chinrest, extra pegs, wrong body shape

[west tree]

Finally got around to testing SDXL. It totally blows.

Zero precision.

Limited vocabulary, too.

[west tree]

It's a f* cellolin.

[weak sage]

if it were a cello it would have 4 fine tuners and an endpin

also the fingerboard is always one piece of black wood

[boreal falcon]

was it simply less censored?

[weak sage]

im sure the model is censored, but i dont have some overlord checking my every keyword

thats creativity 101

anything that says “oh but that won’t be good because —“ has to go

[boreal falcon]

i didnt encounter any of the censored words before but i also didnt use Stable Diffusion for long

but i know that Firefly has a lot of censored words...for now

more than Midjourney

[weak sage]

lawsuits are coming and big corpos have everything to lose

[boreal falcon]

what lawsuits? On AI art?

[weak sage]

on its sources and its abuses

[boreal falcon]

In that case SD and MJ amongst all are the ones that have more to lose than Adobe, Nvidia and eventually Google

[weak sage]

theres also possible PR problems

the bigger a corporation is the more it has to lose

no offense but i double SD market shares are bigger than Google

[boreal falcon]

you mean their AI art product?

if i remember correctly MJ is having the biggest market share as of now

[weak sage]

i mean the net worth of the corporation lol

[boreal falcon]

oh, SD is nothing in that case

[weak sage]

not an economist dont know the lingo

[boreal falcon]

hmm

[blissful star]

hi im just wondering if somone can help me i want to get more detail and less blurryness in the city what do i do ----prompt : "realistic photo, science fiction, futuristic colony, science fiction cityscape, industrial city, highly detailed, intricate, ultra hd, sharp photo, the city is very detailed and high quality, 4k,
Negative prompt: deformed, low detail, blurry, disfigured
Steps: 50, Sampler: DPM++ 2M SDE Karras, CFG scale: 9.5, Seed: 1218656311, Size: 512x512, Model hash: 980cb713af, Model: reliberate_v10"--- i have tried variations of this and still same thing

[oak osprey]

agreed lol

[split valve]

pfft AI art makes human art even more valuable.. so the lawsuits are stupid!

[oak osprey]

get it out of your system, pal

[split valve]

As an analogy, machines learn to make chairs en-mass and floods the market with cheap chairs.. But a hand made chair with hand carved wood.. That's what people see value in because of the human artistry involved.

[green socket]

But do 90% of people really care about the fancy handmade chair? How much stuff in your house is handmade vs machine made?

[split valve]

no 90% of people do not.. But that just makes the hand made chair even more valuable. People will always see value in human craftstmanship.

Im just saying, artists get the wrong end of the stick, they think AI art will replace them... Hows that???

[green socket]

Yeah some very rich people might, but the vast majority will take whatever is cheapest and fills their needs

[split valve]

oh yea im going to buy an AI picasso, versus the real thing.

wheres the value in the AI art??

[green socket]

The point of buying an original Picasso is as an investment so that you can resell it later for more

Most people are just as happy with prints

[split valve]

AI art has no value.

[green socket]

It can fulfill a purpose, like making a book cover.

[split valve]

yes most people are happy with Prints.... but that does not change my point. AI art has no vlaue.. Real artists who paint or draw or sculpt will not need to worry about their art losing value.

if you make a million plastic chairs, does that change the value of a hand carved wood chair? nope.

[green socket]

It depends on what sort of artist they are and who they're targeting. A fine artist making oil paintings won't be affected, but a digital illustrator making book covers, concept art, etc. now has more competition

[split valve]

So the artists throwing a fit and wanting lawsuits is stupid.

[sterile temple]

morning, how are we today?

[split valve]

yes they do but their illustartions will hold the same value to people that want real hand made art.. And those people wont dissapear because ther are a trillion AI images

The more the market gets saturated with trillions of AI images, the more the real human made art will be saught after and hold high value.

[green socket]

Most people who commission artists like that have a specific idea they want created for them. If the AI gets to the point that it understands their prompt perfectly, there's no reason to commission those artists if the AI can do it for free

[split valve]

well there is because what i just said. Human made art holds intrinsic value because its made by a human.

AI art is not special.

[boreal falcon]

thats not the reason for lawsuits

[green socket]

People can pass off AI images as human made, if they want that money

[split valve]

Art forgery its been around since forever

[green socket]

Yes, but one forger can't work faster than 200+ artists

[boreal falcon]

thats a what if scenario and also most of the people of the AI art community wouldnt be customers of artists anyway

or many

[split valve]

aren't the lawsuits from artists whining about losing money because AI learnt from their art or took their art to machine learn on? isnt it ultimately down to artists thinking they lose money?

[green socket]

I've already seen people who used to commission artists start making their own AI images because it's free

[sterile temple]

I think AI art tools are special and valuable, because you can create new art by blending styles and themes with infinite possibilities very quickly, even if the output is not perfect, it let's you broaden your imagination

[boreal falcon]

from artists and from Getty for example

yes, copyrights are the primary reason to do so

[split valve]

it means AI art can invent new styles and new images... But it does not give the images themselves value, because theres a trillion others out there on the intenret.

[boreal falcon]

oversaturaion

saturation

especially all the anime/manga stuff

[split valve]

yup the market will become saturated with a quintillion AI images

[green socket]

Which means it will flood the internet and drown out actual artists. The algorithm prefers AI anyway because it's faster and can make more content than manual art

[boreal falcon]

one of the reasons i was against allowing AI art on Artstation

[split valve]

Then the real art will be still wanted and still hold its same or even higher value.

[boreal falcon]

and i still am

[green socket]

Adding more competition doesn't make things more valuable

[sterile temple]

there wouldn't be trillion out there if the piece was unique in a way, like not just another portrait, oil painting done in the style of artist x

[split valve]

Yes it can create unique combinations of art styles and each image unique... But theres trillions of similar AI images...

[boreal falcon]

also the fact that its AI image alone...

[green socket]

And there's trillions of similar manual art images too. How many anime artists exist on the internet?

[sterile temple]

I think it's possible to create something unique with AI art tools

[split valve]

yup unique... and still good.. But still just like a unique plastic machine made chair.

[sterile temple]

plastic chairs are awesome in their own way too, not in their craftsman ship, but the design, use of materials, functionality, affordability

[split valve]

yes.

[boreal falcon]

as an artist i dont agree with pessimism of some other fellow artists

same with that ultrahype and toxic positivism by some AI art people

[sterile temple]

the person who designed the plastic chair may have spent a lot longer than someone making a chair by hand

[split valve]

As somewhat of an artist (digital artist before AI) i would be pleased if my artstyle came out in SD or MJ if i typed it.

[sterile temple]

I've discovered new artists by prompting for different artist styles

[boreal falcon]

im not sure in my case tbh

[split valve]

im on the artist styles page all day clicking through artists and photographers to mix in.. it really does build awareness

[green socket]

I don't think it will destroy all art, nor do I think it will magically make manual art more valuable. I think the market will change, just like it did with photography, recorded music, etc etc.

[boreal falcon]

but if my copyrighted material would end up on someones AI image i would eventually sue him

depends

[split valve]

depends on how much of a blatent copy it is or not.. if it just captures the essence,then i think thats good.

[boreal falcon]

the market changes definitelly because AI art has its niche of consumers and buyers

which is already a market change

[sterile temple]

I've also generated pieces mentioning random artists, found a style I really love, gone to google them and found I didn't really like their original pieces. But I really love the style applied to a different topic they never covered in their work

[split valve]

im going to post some of todays SDXL stuff i made.

[boreal falcon]

i mean about so much that the character for example is easy recognisable, also i would sue out of the box necessarily

it always depends

i personally dont have in mind right now at least to do this creative stuff as full-time job as of now, dunno about you guys 😄

im doing all of this on the side and also have a vision to earn a secondary and passive income, but who knows

[sterile temple]

for me it's a hobby, not to make money. I am enjoying sharing the process and results with others here

[boreal falcon]

oh ofc

this is a joy for me in the first place, earning on that would just be an ideal case

not a necessity

especially considering how much i spend on digital art as hobby

[split valve]

damn i chose more than 10.

[split valve]

And about 3000 others

[split valve]

Easily far more coherent than SDXL...

But im sure SDXL models will end up that good.

[zealous swan]

Yeah

[sterile temple]

Still struggling with waves I see

[split valve]

lol

no thats what you get when you combine waves with architect styles that have distinct curves or shapes.

[burnt jolt]

i want to cry

[iron field]

Guess my last post was too sexy for the filter

Here's a king chess piece I designed instead

[dim fulcrum]

guys what is the meaning of this, I can`t fix it

[shut sinew]

Do you update your extensions regularly?

Also #🤝｜tech-support

[fleet goblet]

SDXL is no joke really good at handling certain prompts

[fleet goblet]

When a fallout waster meets a camera

Literally the prompt almost made it into the image. LOL

"Fallout Wastelander"

[main glade]

Creating wild west animals on a 2.0 based model; something hilarious about this goat getting a hat that says either

GOAT WITS
or
GOAT WTFs

on his head. That is all. It is nothing special, I am making thousands of them this one just stood out

can't wait to try this with SDXL

[grizzled chasm]

how do you generate actual real looking photos

most of the models like realistic vision and epic looks sd generated or at least studio quality with expensive setup

is there a checkpoint model that's trained on smart phone photos

the background, neck etc is most of the times blurry, probably to make the full picture of higher quality but it's a dead end give tail that its fake

[stoic pivot]

AI going so fast and GMO so slow, I want cats like this now 😄

[tropic shell]

These c a t s

[west tree]

AI art is a skill that will develop into a trade. Have you used A11? Have you even scratched the surface of how deep this goes?

[west tree]

Mans doesn't know how chairs are made.

[wispy ether]

The end is near...

[oak osprey]

pseudo-real on huggingface hub works in invokeAI and is heavily trained on film photos, mostly kodachrome but also kodak 400

pseudo-flex-base uses that model's text encoder but has a retrained unet that allows it to do multi aspect eg. widescreen and portrait gens with a base resolution of 1024x1024

and for either of these models. prompt like ethnographic photography of a california house party, 1998, nikon, f1.4

[west tree]

Where/how did you learn all this crap? I would like to learn. I'm studying Transformers for LLMs, right now, but that's mostly unrelated. What resources will teach me the technicalities of SD and the skills I need to train models properly?

[boreal falcon]

Wdym develop into a trade?

[west tree]

It'll be an instrumental part of Graphic Design moving forward, and a vital tool in not only visual art, but in music and poetry/lyrics. It's going to be a job.

[oak osprey]

it took me about 2 months of failing at training stable-diffusion-2-1

ask a lot of questions and abuse the hell out of GPT4 when no one is around to answer

[west tree]

I've been using GPT-4 a ton, but I don't know what I don't know.

I suppose SDXL isn't terrible, there's just no reasonable way to prompt it, and it ignores most of my input.

[iron field]

Yes, I've already incorporated it into workflows at work. It's not replacing artists here but allowing them to do more

[west tree]

If only it didn't take 15 minutes to boot up.

[oak osprey]

it ignores stuff it's never seen or stuff it's not seen enough of, or phrases that have never appeared concurrently in the training of the text encoder(s)

if you have gotten used to prompting 2.1 models, you have to use that style on SDXL

it's not like keyword spam in 1.5, it's more natural and precise

[west tree]

I have not. Any phunky phresh guides out there? My 2.1 gens are dogshit.

[oak osprey]

Sytan was having issues making animals look realistic, they would bias to artistic / cartoony because he had too many words in his prompt

i reduced it to simply stunning national geographic photo of a chinese panda in a bamboo forest and bam

[west tree]

Ew. I don't like that.

[oak osprey]

you can not ask SDXL for realistic, hyperrealistic etc

[west tree]

How do you do artistic styles, then?

[oak osprey]

they're literally just prompt keywords..

[stoic pivot]

"Bad AI, very AI, go stand in the corer then read more books". Prompt was "Victor Frankenstein sipping tea".

[oak osprey]

add in the style of Bob Eggleton to the end of your SDXL prompts.

[west tree]

That's what I'm saying. Without keyword spam it's imprecise and vanilla.

[oak osprey]

i have the local weights, and i'm telling you it prompts like SD 2.1 does

[west tree]

I believe you, that just makes me sad.

[split valve]

SDXL?

[stoic pivot]

Yes, but same in most AI Text2Image, they swoop the open Internet and also pick up on all flaws, lies, fakes and misunderstanding

[split valve]

yes they do.

[west tree]

Ew. Can't boot A11. Import error?

ImportError: cannot import name '_compare_version' from
'torchmetrics.utilities.imports'
(/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/torchmetrics/utilities/imports.py)

What the hell.

[boreal falcon]

Part of creative workflows? Optionally yes, but it still needs some big improvements. Vital part hardly

Let alone a job for itself

At best professionals might use generative AI partially in their workflow...but thats not a new job

You wont need a prompter

[split valve]

agreed.

If you think you're going to wake up one day in the future in an AI world where you type a sentence into a prompt and it creates things of value that earn you a living as a job... eer yea good luck with that. Because anyone can type a sentence... what value would things have if anyone can do it?

i think im right in that line of thought.. i just dont see how the AI could generate jobs that are just that easy and why they would need a human in the loop.

[boreal falcon]

@split valve well IF AI gets better enough...why would they hire an prompter who doesnt even know anything in the sector, zero practice, zero experience if they could just do it themselves. People that are in the industry and have the knowhow and skills

Plus generative AI isnt good enough to be the active part of the workflow (canvas)

[split valve]

thats sort of my thinking... but what im getting at is, in order to create value you need to be doing something that is difficult that not everyone can do.. That means you can create a profitable business out of it or product. But to just roll out of bed and type a basic sentence into a prompt, thats not an AI job of the future, it holds no value. Because everyone could do it.

if i can type a basic sentence into say SDXL 3, in 3 years from now, and it creates an magnificent work of art at 4K.... That art would have no intrinsic value.

its never going to be a machine that can make money for you.

[oak osprey]

everyone can work at mcdonalds but its undesirable because of low pay and high stress. prompt engineer is the minimum wage job of the future

[split valve]

its not... Because you wouldn't need a human to write basic sentences.. LLMs can already write better than 99% of people.

[oak osprey]

sono, are you still bored or something

[split valve]

you'd just rig an LLM into your AI to write the prompts and leave it going.

[split valve]

as always.

[boreal falcon]

You can make some business with gen AI but its more than just prompting and earning ofc and it doesnt necessarily earn you much as well

[boreal falcon]

Prompt engineers exist already and are specialists withing the AI area, definitelly not wage minimum and nothing to do with the Stable Diffusion random Joe

[split valve]

i agree. It would take a professional.. like an author, or psychologist or philosopher.. currently

[iron field]

The application is not to get anything out of machine art, it's to get something specific out, something that comes from the vision of the creator. That is not something anyone can do and thus will continue to have value

[split valve]

its never ever going to be a min wage job.

[oak osprey]

sounds like copium to me

[oak osprey]

you literally just said anyone can do it

[split valve]

im just saying... AI will not create new jobs at the pace it replaces jobs... and being lazy and just typing some stuff into a prompt is not a valueable asset. it wont create value, because any random joe can do it.

[iron field]

And I'm just saying the value is in people who understand how to get exactly what they want out of the tool, not just anything

[oak osprey]

@split valve look, if i dont respond anymore its merely because i have blocked your messages, i hope you become less bored and argumentative

[split valve]

ok analogy time... if you had a machine that cost $100 and you buy it from amazon... And it creates gold. like 10 KG of it a day... at that point gold would have no value, because anyone could generate a mountain of gold.

[split valve]

your choice.

[shut sinew]

Thing is to make money you don't use the machine to make gold but maybe platinum or titanium

[split valve]

i can sort of see your point.

you're blocked bad anatomy.

[oak osprey]

paladium*

or rhodium

[wispy ether]

Paladin*

[oak osprey]

most expensive-ass elements

[west tree]

Oh no. I was rude.

And now I've been punished by not having to see his posts anymore.

[split valve]

heres the problem with prompt engineering that i see.. How do you keep the AI from making it too easy, and outputting that great thing without the prompter needing to be smart? its like a constant game of trying to be a useful prompter but the tool keeps getting better.

[shut sinew]

Can you all calm down?
We're here to support each other, not to start wars

[split valve]

So i have cynical view on AI creating jobs... i just dont think it will

[west tree]

Almost like being a carpenter or a machinist. This is the problem with people who don't know how chairs are made talking about how jobs work.

[oak osprey]

i left milk out on the counter overnight, so, i'm not sure

[shut sinew]

[oak osprey]

what do you call an intense argument between two yoghourt producers? ||culture wars||

[shut sinew]

Reminds me of that one episode of love death and robots where the yogurt took over the world

[oak osprey]

that's grey goo you're thinking about

[stoic pivot]

I loved when AI was wacky and could give crazy result that was vert creative in a psychedelic way, some time it still happen if to give "right" prompt.

[oak osprey]

the self-replicating nanobots

[shut sinew]

No there was one with actual yogurt

[west tree]

Yeah. They were infused with nanobots.

[oak osprey]

boi you can still run SD 1.1 on there, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5 and 2.0 and 2.1 all of which without fine-tuning are "whacky" beyond belief

[west tree]

Smart-yoghurt.

[oak osprey]

also that Hello kitty looks like it's rollerskating or skateboarding but where's the board/skates

[iron field]

Human want is infinite. The easier things get the more we do, not less. You don't need to worry about these things

[stoic pivot]

I need to try... I forgot to test the oldest junk, hope I get the random things I thought was so funny.

[split valve]

hmmmm.

[oak osprey]

if none of those work, try Craiyon.com it's DALL-E Mini and it's total trash lmao it's gold for making really weird stuff

like 3-4 days ago i gave craiyon another go, and it has negative prompt support now, which allowed me to get "photorealism" out of it

[west tree]

Hadn't heard of it until you yanked my chain the other day.

[oak osprey]

i didn't spend very long trying but this is one of the best i got

[stoic pivot]

That image was made with the free Dall-e or Crayion and I think the prompt was "Storm Troopers in Apple advert" if someone want to try improve it in SD 🙂

[west tree]

Can somebody explain the cow to a newbie?

[wispy ether]

Check my join date

[oak osprey]

SDXL ^

[west tree]

Dude. Just upgraded my A11. This is fly like my daddy.

[wispy ether]

#✨｜sdxl

[wispy ether]

What the fuck does that even mean

[west tree]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-wayne-lollipop-cash-money-gif-25073361

[west tree]

Not a Wayne fan?

[wispy ether]

I love bruce wayne

[oak osprey]

Nep is legit 16 and doesn't care to learn, don't bother explaining anything

[wispy ether]

https://tenor.com/view/hatkiddo-batman-superman-justice-league-slap-gif-20004216

[west tree]

Seriously, somebody explayin the f* cow please.

[wispy ether]

Polish cow meme

[oak osprey]

#1087493421209485393

[wispy ether]

https://youtu.be/OyDyOweu-PA

[stoic pivot]

From old Dall.e 256x256 to SD (A1111) 1024x1024

[wispy ether]

Still blurry

[wispy spindle]

@west tree hi, just a reminder we can see the msgs you delete in here etc-- please keep it civil with the conversation and or arguments in the future

[stoic pivot]

CRT tv

[wispy ether]

?

[wispy ether]

Better discord

[boreal falcon]

Wdym copium, there are already prompt engineers and those are not what prompters sometimes like to label themselves as

[oak osprey]

let's see who can correctly identify the SDXL refiner in use

no one wants to try?

[wispy ether]

Im lazx

Im afk farming roblox

[boreal falcon]

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=4220b5bd2b48af27&from=serp

This, and not "i prompt good in SD, therefore im prompt engineer"

[wispy ether]

I prompt with ai

[oak osprey]

that's just a poorly labeled Data Scientist role

they used to work with tech like Hadoop and Cassandra and now it's LLMs and text encoders.

[west tree]

I'm sorry. d* are funny.

[boreal falcon]

@oak osprey i just took one example, the point is that prompt engineering is already a case and its not what prompters here on Discord do

Neither is that a small salary job

[oak osprey]

first one on the chopping block

what an insane salary range by the way

95k to 210k

[boreal falcon]

Wdym by that? Replacing?

[oak osprey]

i made about that much at my prev job and i worked there for 6 years and when the pandemic hit, the engineering team was nuked from orbit to show that the company financials were strong

[kindred willow]

Jerma's (Currently Non-Existant) Mystery Meat Cooking Special Stream
Lol

He had a spicy one

[oak osprey]

i have a better job now where i make less but i like that i'm not as appealing to get rid of for a quick money fix

and better job doesn't always mean paid more, i just genuinely like my colleagues and the work we do

[kindred willow]

I wanted to mention this but I couldn't find the image.

I have since found the image.
Your Profile Picture reminds me of this sort of generation I did

[oak osprey]

what happened to make the frostbite on his cheek bones?

[kindred willow]

He's a messy eater

(I guess)

[kindred willow]

Lol, it's shrek

Thanks

Right?

[oak osprey]

"shrek" yeah lmao

[kindred willow]

If I'm wrong correct me

[oak osprey]

if shrek had uncanny valley as fuck features

[kindred willow]

True

[oak osprey]

it's supposed to be shrek, the prompt was a delicious jar of shrek, next to a bowl of shrekuamole

[kindred willow]

lol

[oak osprey]

it made a shrek mogwai instead

[kindred willow]

Is this SDXL?

[oak osprey]

that's some random SD 1.5 model

[kindred willow]

I see

[oak osprey]

i think maybe double-exposure-diffusion

[kindred willow]

Mmm

[oak osprey]

i know for sure this one is

look at all the little shreks running around the shrek-hulk

[kindred willow]

AI generated art was not a mistake

This is why

[oak osprey]

"shrek-hulk combo" at 1920x1080 made that with double-exposure-diffusion

[boreal falcon]

@oak osprey oh, definitelly. Good job isnt just about money

[oak osprey]

i really loved all the deformities of the high res in 1.5

so unique in terms of produced art

[kindred willow]

Disco Diffusion was pretty unique

I recall using DD a LOT prior to SD

[oak osprey]

i honestly think i'll just always prefer SD 2.1 over anything else

it's like the kiss by which i will judge all others

golden kangaroo retriever sheppard

treebeard

my #best-of channel on my discord server is like 90% SD 2.1

these cross-animal hybrids it did in high res without duplicates made me go and i deleted all my 1.x models

it does people without merging them, too

Lex Luthor and Snoop Dogg put together a cannabis startup

and SD 2.1 has a very charming view of Danny Devito's roles in 1985 cinema

[hoary pelican]

Has anybody tried making art of Himiko Agari on SD? my laptop doesn't have the GPU or RAM for SD
And the free sites don't get good images, I think you need a LoRA

[oak osprey]

overtly sexual stuff not allowed here

[wispy spindle]

@hoary pelican please don't post nsfw in channels

[west tree]

Are we getting diaspora from Unstable?

[wispy nest]

Anyone know if you can create ai scenes with lots of detailed characters in it?

Is there a way to do that?

[west tree]

Regional prompting in A11.

[wispy nest]

Regional? How's that work?

And I assume you mean A1111

[west tree]

You define a region and then create a prompt for it.

[lone dome]

have you guys been able to get any good web designs ?

[wispy nest]

At work right now, but I don't recall seeing something called or related to regional prompting. Is it an extension I need?

Or is that just a method of inpainting or something?

[west tree]

It's an extension.

[wispy nest]

Ah ok.

[west tree]

Adicts refer to it as A11. Regional prompting is that hard white. That and dynamic prompting.

[wispy nest]

This I assume?

https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/discussions/8991

[west tree]

Aye, sir. Smoke that rock.

[wispy nest]

Hahaha

I've give it a shot when I get home.

[west tree]

I am out of ideas.

Boring, derivative shite.

I've got an adetailer version of that first one. holdup.

[wispy nest]

Any other good extensions to get btw? To maximize the ai's capabilities and convenience. I already got control net.

[west tree]

There we go, okay gens.

[west tree]

Get dynamic prompting. That's my favorite.

[wispy nest]

What's it do?

[west tree]

It allows you to {pick one option|or the other}, at random.

[wispy nest]

Little vague. Where exactly do the options come into play? In the results? Or somewhere in the setup process?

[west tree]

It's any keyword, in brackets, divided by a pipe. 2$$ picks two keywords, 3$$ picks three, etc. EG:
Photo of {a roast beef sandwich|your mom's twat} would generate the same image. If you added 2$$ after the first bracket, it would generate two pictures of your mom and/or a delicious reuben. Same difference.

Just kidding. I love you.

[wispy nest]

@west tree If I use the regional prompts extension and come up with something rather complicated, should I be worried about overloading the ai? Like it has so many specific things to worry about that it starts to suffer in quality overall.

[west tree]

Do you have the gpu to handle it? Should be fine

[wispy nest]

Yeah, an evga rtx 3090 ftw3 ultra

I guess I'm wondering if ai need to increase steps or something

[west tree]

Nope. Keep your step count low unless it's crushing the image.

What noise sampler are you using?

[wispy nest]

I forget. Something dps or dpm something 2m

[west tree]

DPM variants yield the best results, imo, but they tax your system. You may want to try unipc.

[wispy nest]

I mean it can tax my system all it wants. I want results

[west tree]

Unipc's good though. Similar results, just a ton more efficient. Unless someone steps in and corrects me.

[wispy nest]

I don't remember seeing unipc. Is that in the sampler list by default?

[west tree]

Yup.

A) Unipc, B) DPM2

[wispy nest]

Man, those are both rough honestly. x)

[west tree]

Yeah. Bad seed.

I'll come up with something better.

[west tree]

There ya go.

The quality of unipc is no worse, it's just faster and different.

[oak osprey]

just getting in on the QR code bandwagon

[west tree]

FYI, this was 30 steps, which is high.

[weak sage]

good thing this in greyscale lol

[split valve]

SDXL so bad at anatomy currently everyone looks like they were born in Chernobyl and inbred at the same time.

[split valve]

very coherent.

[iron field]

I have a type lol

[split valve]

thats miles beyond SDXL

[dense tapir]

2.1

[split valve]

Has to be because SDXL is in 0.9 beta

[dense tapir]

If I had a faster card/newer card I could do better but it takes forever

[iron field]

Will be interesting to see when SDXL has a ControlNet equivalent

[dense tapir]

I barely use controlnet so wouldn't matter to me since the main ones I want never came to 2.1

[iron field]

The ability to draw something and then have it come alive is too good for me to give up

[dense tapir]

all I want is depth, style, tile, and inpainting. 1 out of four is all I received.

[split valve]

i swear they took out all nudity from the training data so it has no clue what to draw... And for artistic nude images.. thats not good. or maybe im just wrong.

[dense tapir]

Give it time and we will train that shit back in

[split valve]

does that mean i have to run it on my own card?

[dense tapir]

yep

[split valve]

Then i need money... And a new card.

[dense tapir]

unless a service allows 3rd party models to be loaded

My 1060 feels ya

[split valve]

hmm my 1070 is not going to fare well either.

[dense tapir]

My entire system is brand new except the motherboard just for a new video card. :/

[split valve]

i dont upgrade usually.. i just keep the PC as is until i have to replace it.

[dense tapir]

14 year old case was 15-25mm too little to hold any of the new cards

[split valve]

dunno if my zen 1 system would be compatible with new cards... even a 4060

[dense tapir]

It could have the FE but they don't make those now and I refuse to pay scalpers

[split valve]

not that i would even consider buying that absolute block of crap.

still waiting on nvidia to release a viable upgrade with at least 16GB

[dense tapir]

My Zen 1 (1600) I just upgraded to a 5600 and 48gb of ram (b450) and it will handle a 4090 with ease. Now for gaming, which I don't do, I need a 5800X3D, or 7800X3D which is AM5.

for this stuff Zen 1 is fine

[split valve]

i have a good 850 watt psu and an Asus Prime X370-pro. 32GB Ram

[dense tapir]

370, ahem

[split valve]

quite new bios or i could flash it to newest

[dense tapir]

iffy

B450/550/X570 no issues

[split valve]

not sure what it could take but it could certainly take something above a 1700X

But i dont even need a better cpu. i just want a great GPU

[weak sage]

4gb ram but it works

[dense tapir]

Right now the iron is hot for pricing for ram, and AM4 motherboards. If you wish to upgrade do it now, as I did.

CPUs too

AM5 is out so AM4 is being heavily discounted

[split valve]

i was thinking of trying to get 64GB... as i already have 32GB with only 2 dimms.... BUT never in my life have i ever successfully upgraded the ram on a PC... whenever i fill all dimms with an upgrade theres a problem

[weak sage]

five years ago i didnt know a gpu had ram at all xD

[split valve]

even if all the dimms were identical there would still be an issue i just know it... Like windows dont support that much ram or something stupid

[dense tapir]

Well, I had 16 then purchased 32GB and stuck them in. A lot of issues but I finally managed it. 48GB. Now if I upgrade to another 32GB (going to) I can move up in ram speed. I should be set until AM6

[split valve]

hmm but how much ram will windows support...

[dense tapir]

I am just not sure I need 64GB when 48 seems to fine

128GB

[split valve]

win 10?

[dense tapir]

yes

below is 64GB I believe

[split valve]

i used to be big into Blender, and i easily needed 64GB... but now im not so bothered

[dense tapir]

you can purchase AM5 128GB systems with W10 on them right now

Never liked Blender I was more 3dsmax and especially C4D

[split valve]

3DS max was good, i used it in the early days, but then needed something free.

[dense tapir]

I started to love Maya then Autodesk took it over and I fled

[wispy nest]

Where can I use stability diffusion?

[split valve]

Autodesk known for just being greedy..

[wispy nest]

?

[dense tapir]

assholes too

[split valve]

yea all those professional 3D softwares are great,, i would have used them if money was no object.... i used them at university when i was doing a degree in 3D stuff

[dense tapir]

do it our way or don't do it. Okies, I don't do it

[split valve]

but i ended up dropping out of uni...

[wispy nest]

Where can I use stable diffusion

But nsfw

[dense tapir]

SD and NSFW good luck as base is all SFW

[split valve]

you have to reserach how to install the models to your own PC.

[wispy nest]

How?

I use Mac

[dense tapir]

umph

Oh, I just saw Apple is about to release a gfx card to compete with Nvidia

[split valve]

i dont know, because i have a GTX 1070 so its not ideal for running SD

[split valve]

Let them... we need competition... Intel could come through as well.

[dense tapir]

I agree

[wispy nest]

Ah ok

[dense tapir]

The more the meerier I think

[wispy nest]

Also can you deepfake with stable diffusion btw?

If so please tell me how

[dense tapir]

yes

[wispy nest]

How?

[split valve]

Go on Deviantart AI section to see what can be done.

[wispy nest]

Ok

[dense tapir]

My hope is Battlemage starts to worry AMD. Druid then begins to worry Nvidia. Celestial comes and both are put back into their place and spanked for this gen. Punish them.

[solid gate]

Does anyone know of an OpenSource that does the same thing as Wonder Dynamics?

[split valve]

Nvidia will get spanked its inevitable... In time... Because Nvidia are holding back massively and over charging at the same time.

So we just have to wait.

[dense tapir]

Well, as I save for a 4090 a 5090 will be so close I might as well continue to save. As it is I can't even get the card I want or the alt card AND I really only ever purchased EVGA so this sucks

[split valve]

yup i think just keep on waiting... Those high end cards are power hungry monstrosities, you want something that is capable, a reasonbale size lots of VRAM and not priced to the moon...

[dense tapir]

My 850 was getting old so I just replaced it with a platinum 1300W

[split valve]

Yea my 850 was purchased in 2017.. dunno if thats old for a PSU or not.. But i dont want a GPU that has to be fedd by a PSU over 1000W its stupid

[dense tapir]

I would have purchased a 3090ti but not from ebay unless 700 or less because you never know and I don't play with money

[split valve]

man even if i had the cash i would not buy one of those highest end cards... i think its just a gimmick to see how far they can push it to the limit... i dont want something on the verge of meltdown thats the size of a breeze block

[dense tapir]

Mine is from Dec 24, 2016

[split valve]

Apple or intel will blow Nvidia out of the water in the next few years.. and it will be a 300 -400 watt card i hope

[dense tapir]

If you remove the heatsink the actual card is small. For me I don't care I am supposed to have upgrade this gen but not at these prices.

A 4090 is almost the price ofa used car here. A 5090 will surely be.

[split valve]

Wouldnt it be nice to run it with no heatsink what so ever tho.. And that would require a massive underclock and under volting.. but on a 4090ti that would still spank a GTX 1070

[dense tapir]

From what I am gathering the 5090 will be 2-2.7x the speed of a 4090 at 1.5 times the price. At that I am out 100%

I finally went water cooling and just wow

[split valve]

IF they keep doing that they increase the density of transistors and the clock speeds they just increase the heat dissipation needed...

[fleet goblet]

[dense tapir]

what gets me is the AIO on video cards as they will break down then forced to buy a new gpu is not my idea of a wise investment

[split valve]

it will be another card on the verge of meltdown to satisfy rich fanatical gamers

[fleet goblet]

Big think on the next two years.

[split valve]

Nvidia are just throwing dumb rich gamers carrots, and laughing all the way to the bank as they focus on AI data centers

[dense tapir]

Well, I don't care about games any longer as I want AI YET here come neural compression which does AI not one bit of good

[split valve]

int4?

what is the dissadvantage of neural compression then?

[dense tapir]

neural compression is just a new way to keep you from having the ram you really need as a consumer. want more ram buy a pro card for thousands.

lag

[split valve]

yea.. Nvidia like to do that... try to force professional artists to pay a premium.

[dense tapir]

the latency is three times longeron a 4090. Around the 6090 it should be faster than non compressed textures. By the time the 7090 hits all cards from them will be great. Of course we need ram not shit like that

[split valve]

if they can compress games somehow and keep 8GB forever they would.

[dense tapir]

that is their goal

[split valve]

yes we need a new technology...

consumer devices with TBs of RAM that is fast.

[dense tapir]

never in my lifetime

[split valve]

There should be an interest in making it happen, so AI consumer devices can run without the cloud.

[weak sage]

i think they intentionally increase the disk space required for modern online FTP games in order to bias their audience to players with larger disposable incomes

and to reduce the amount of other games on their disks

[dense tapir]

maybe if the ceo of AMD and Nvidia die from old age and some new blood hit, but Jensen says he wishes to be turned into a cyborg and CEO Nvidia to 150yo

[split valve]

naa i dont thinkso... disk space is quite cheap or you can just delete a game and redownload when you want to play it.

[split valve]

Thinks should happen, new technologies should happen... Think Tesla and their optimus robot.. Elon wont want to to have to rely on the cloud for its compute, he will want it to run locally like his self driving cars

[dense tapir]

Well, I am not so optimistic as you appear to be as I know their types, and their greed.

[split valve]

Consumer devices running big LLMs and generative AI locally have advantages and can be always on which is critical if we are going to rely on AI technology for life.

[dense tapir]

What we need, and right now it is prime, is for a 3rd party to enter and devestate them.

[split valve]

imagine being in a tesla that did its compute in the cloud and you went into a tunnel and it loses internet connection

The cloud is for greedy corproations to exploit.

[dense tapir]

If Intel can sell their card for 199 then that means the hardware shouldn't be costing anything like AMD, or Nvidia is charging.

100%

[split valve]

yea its interesting that..

[dense tapir]

I hate the cloud since inception and despise, loathe, wish to destroy, anything as a service.

[split valve]

Well i think if Tesla make household robots it will force the technology to come to furition.. they will need stacks of cheap low latency ram.. it will need to run locally not cloud

That tech should cross over to PC GPUs as well

[dense tapir]

UNLESS it is all, somehow, tied in with Starlink.

[split valve]

naa satellite communications is not reliable,, not enough for critical stuff and to avooid customer lawsuits...

like your robot is doing something like saving your life and loses connection to the cloud.... lawsuit time

[dense tapir]

My keyboard is dying on me and some keys I have to hit multiple times. Gotta say this is my longest keyboard since the 1980s.

[split valve]

i have an AUKEY mechanical keyboard but it feels jankey i cant type well on it for some reason

neural link soon

[dense tapir]

That would be a great lawsuit since it was helping you it lost its signal so you died but you were already dead if it had not been there to try and help.

[split valve]

may look like im typing fast but my touch typing technique is haphazzard

[split valve]

lol

lets just hope for optical or crystal memory technology

petabytes of fast memory

[dense tapir]

I have been waiting on that crystal memory for 25 years now. wtf?!?

[split valve]

Things are moving fast now.

[dense tapir]

lol

[split valve]

or...

crazy thought... what happens if neuralink gets good.. can it run software on your brain? how much memory does the brain have

[dense tapir]

I have been saying that the age of silicon is over we need new tech as we have pushed this as far as we can, or extremely close to it. At least TSMC has now said we are almost at the end.

[split valve]

have your brain execute an LLM

[dense tapir]

I read a long while back the estimated amount of memory a human brain has.

[split valve]

its true we are almost at the end of silicon... i guess they will take it down to 1nm

[dense tapir]

TSMC said 1nm wafer will be almost 1 million dollars

@sono 2.5 million gigabytes
As mentioned in an article in Scientific American, the memory capacity of a human brain was testified to have equal to 2.5 petabytes of memory capacity. A “petabyte” means 1024 terabytes or a million gigabytes so that the average adult human brain can accumulate the equivalent of 2.5 million gigabytes of memory.

I remember that article

[split valve]

im trying to get an answer out of ChatGPT it is falt out refusing to give me even a ballpark figure.

give me a min to argue with it

range of approximately 10 to 100 petabytes

But thats total... so not sure how much spare working memory it has

[dense tapir]

gpt is not knowledgeable on this as this article passes its knowledge range

2.5 peta byte is probably right as our spare memory.

do remember this the human brain does garbage collection too so discards shit to make room as needed

[split valve]

interesting.. or the neuralink could have the memory and the brain gets to do the processing.. eithe way it would be interesting future tech

the goal is to merge with AI

[dense tapir]

I would fight to my death against that. I am me and I will use AI but I will not merge with AI.

[karmic peak]

is this a fire hazard

[split valve]

ah yes some people are expect to feel that way... Ive read it in the sci fi novels.. neural purists they called them

[split valve]

prob not, but the 5090 will be

[dense tapir]

Neither card is going to love that

[karmic peak]

its ok I'm just generating waifus

not gamin

[dense tapir]

you do realize gaming is actually less taxing than genning is, right?

[karmic peak]

sad

[boreal falcon]

I more wait for DDR5 RAM cards to fix the damn issues with 128gb RAM

My saler doesnt even want to build that setting as of now

Because of stability issues with DDR5 above 64 GB RAM

[foggy jay]

@iron field Can you tell me the model you used to create this redhead portrait?

[split valve]

why is it that it cant draw fingers, technically>

[foggy jay]

is that XL?

[dense tapir]

Hands, feet are the rarest items in photos so it doesn't actually understand all that well

[split valve]

i dount buy that.

dont

[dense tapir]

then you just don't understand how it works

[split valve]

no i dont understand it.. i want to know technically why

surely it has a massive training data

[dense tapir]

what I I don't understand is why someone hasn't trained hands and feet model

[iron field]

It's Photon model. I use it with ControlNet to take some of my favorite digital pieces and see them with realistic hotties

[dense tapir]

photos have never really shown hands and feet all that much. Fact is people are repulsed by both to the point some content creators wear gloves so as not to "trigger" people.

[foggy jay]

the model needs repeating patterns, and the hands are difficult in that sense, the same goes for all the facial niceties.

[split valve]

Is this a stupid idea... could they just put a notice out to the whole stability community to send in photos of their hands and feet, so that it can be used as training data???

[dense tapir]

it needs the connected parts too

[foggy jay]

Seriously, the image is fantastic, how did you get that magnificent lighting if it can be known for sure...

[dense tapir]

when we train we need various backgrounds, and body parts or it locks on and suddenly we gen and it will always be locked in

[split valve]

its terrible at anaomy in general.

[dense tapir]

that is due to removal of naughty bits

[split valve]

i mean im getting women with 3 or 4 tits..

and 3 legs

[dense tapir]

yeah, draconian measures by SAI led to this

[split valve]

its like that movie total recall??

[split valve]

Thats just not good... thats woke and stupid.. Anatomy is a massive part of art... the male and female form potrayed ARTISTICALLY is a huge part of art.

They try to make the case its just a dumb porn generator churning out specifically deep fakes to men can jerk off like cavemen... wtf is that as an argument... We have internet porn for that.

Plus all the images that SDXL are trying to generate are very artistic.. certainly not porn.

[foggy jay]

I have seen some nipples and it is really disastrous in anatomy without a doubt, but it seems that it is the stability policy, the community is supposed to fix that, the problem is that fine tuning always leads to overtraining, the models become too "hot" " 🙂

[split valve]

Dissapoining to hear they have to go those measures.. For an art generator..

[iron field]

"dramatic lighting, skin pores, subsurface scattering, (masterpiece, highest quality)"

[boreal falcon]

They are not the only ones

Midjourney and especially Firefly as well

[split valve]

imagine if photoshop banned nudity...

[boreal falcon]

They cant

[foggy jay]

@iron field thanks so much Cpt Nemo

[boreal falcon]

Photoshop is different

[split valve]

But if they could they would.. Because they are also draconian and woke most likely.

Bet Adobe AI art generator bans nudity

[green socket]

It does

[boreal falcon]

Yes

[split valve]

so going against what they have had for years which is allowing artists to express human nudity as art

[boreal falcon]

Generative Fill too but its basically Firefly

[split valve]

moronic

[boreal falcon]

Does Adobe Stock even have nude photos?

I doubt

If they dont then you couldnt generate those anyway

[split valve]

NOT PORN

[boreal falcon]

Because their models are trained mostly on Adobe Stock

[split valve]

its trained on art so its outputs are artistic nearly always. its not a porn generator.

[boreal falcon]

They are not trained just on art

[split valve]

Right,... But its outputs that im getting are always artistic..

[green socket]

Have you prompted for outright porn?

[split valve]

pretty much, but only as an experiment with keywords to try to forcec it do do anything remotely nude.. And it still comes up artistic

it wont do porn, its not traine don it.. SD removed it.

So all that must remain in their training data is artistic nude.

Thus it cant do porn.. thus even an NSFW filter is pretty dumb and unncessary.

[boreal falcon]

MJ does have those filters as well and yet some dude published a image of like 20 naked and fat imams in a room touching each other

[dense tapir]

Yes, BUT I get why they did it as they had to as the lawsuits were incoming.

[foggy jay]

@split valve more nipple problems

[split valve]

what lawsuits?

[dense tapir]

One in London, and a few others working themselves out. This is why 2.0 was rushed and why, as emad said, you may have nude or children but you cannot have both in the model.

[split valve]

The lawsuit tries to make a case, but at the end of the day its not being trained on CP and its outputs are art. But i can see how some might try to make deep fakes. And that would then be a problem...

But they wont be likely to win a lawsuit against art. Artistic nude.. its not illegal.

[foggy jay]

@iron field precisely today I was testing photon after seeing the results you showed yesterday, and although it is a merge, we must admit that it produces some fantastic results.

The image without the .net reference, the light its too hard.

[split valve]

SDXL bodies look like they have been ran over by trucks..

[foggy jay]

LOL

That is the problem that both 2.0 and 2.1 had without using the negative tens. Is it still playing at the same scale in SDXL?

[dense tapir]

It is as simple as gun manufacturers being sued for some idiot committing murder with a firearm made by that manufacturer. In Europe the case is strong in the USA depends if in California or NY or DC or in a "red state" as to what happens. If the court is highly left leaning get ready. In London they would very likely rule in their favour not the favour of SAI. You gave the tools, and the ability, to do CP. They did CP so you are an enabler of it. Now that they removed nudes they can stand back and say we didn't enable shit. What they actually did was give us a base to train on that now has nudes. Hell, when I tried 1.5 again a couple of months ago I couldn't stop getting nudes on prompts I used in 2.x. I tried even neg prompt but no dice it was hard titty time. Volkwagen beetle with tits.

Wallace told me to use corset and that helped some but wasn't right either.

[split valve]

Yea its all so stupid though. Because its not CP.. its art.. Although there could be edge cases where people misuse it. So that needs to be resolved technologically to allow for the legitimate art.

[boreal falcon]

they dont want to train on nude photos in the first place

[dense tapir]

You, and I, are in complete agreement. I can buy a pencil and murder with it does that mean the pencil manufacturer gets in trouble?

[boreal falcon]

i personally couldnt care less about nudity generated images

[split valve]

yea but thats as dumb as not training a sculptor or painter student with any nudity.

[dense tapir]

I am a bit of a prude and don't like nudes but it is needed for anatomy as 2.0 was hit very hard at first with their removal.

[split valve]

3D sculptors have to be very well versed in anatomy.

[dense tapir]

yes

[split valve]

the human form

so if you want to make artistic humans you need to train the AI with the nude human form

[dense tapir]

traditional art school you gonna get a nude at some point

[boreal falcon]

3D sculptors are a different thing

[dense tapir]

might be a 1500lb person rolled in by a crane but you gonna get one at some point

[foggy jay]

@boreal falcon The problem is that knowledge of anatomy and the nude body is necessary to produce correct images, even when nudity is not involved.

[boreal falcon]

Autodesk wont even try to censor what i do in their software (in my case 3ds Max) neither does Adobe with Photoshop for example

[split valve]

similar though as the AI has to depict 3D humans but on a flat image.. its still virtual three dimensions

[boreal falcon]

its also different as said

[green socket]

Maybe Firefly will stop censoring when it isn't on their servers, but I doubt it. It's easier to provide your GPUs and charge a subscription

[dense tapir]

anyway, this is all rehashing the same stuff from last Nov for me so I am off to try and train. I will be damned if I understand why I can train a dreambooth but can't a lora

[boreal falcon]

no way to stop censoring

forget it

[split valve]

we are living in draconian orwellian times... you can feel the censorship on your minds on your thoughts.

[boreal falcon]

Midjourney and Stability AI have also their reasons not to allow everything

[split valve]

people think we are free and liberated.

[boreal falcon]

thats where Unstable Diffusion comes in

[split valve]

War is peace.. ignorance is strength. Freedom is Slavery.

[weak sage]

whats the best way to get a bunch of 3 point perspective line pictures like this for use with controlnet

or is there a perspective controlnet preprocessor already that i didnt know about

[split valve]

Art

[wispy spindle]

Read up on our #✍🏼｜rules-and-tos

[wispy nest]

you guys ever make embeds in auto? do you tag the photos with prompts or just like chaz01, chaz02, chaz03, etc if im making one of myself or trying to

[weak sage]

censorship by non-government entities is often a very good thing

[foggy jay]

aha, can a mammary gland be considered a subversive image worth suppressing? I see that we continue as before treating everything with the same deck sim to attend to the slightest subtlety. I already removed all my images from the stable diffusion forum for this reason, it doesn't catch me by surprise.

This image is titled "hypocrisy"

[iron field]

Yeah it can vary, but I generally run a batch and get some favorites

[foggy jay]

Yes, the problem is that of all the retrained models, they have their faces branded with fire, they are overtrained, it is difficult to get different people.

[oak osprey]

merges often produce higher quality results. did you not know that SDXL itself is a merge? they back-merge training checkpoints. it isn't a crutch, it's just annoying that the community only mixes and merges other mixes and merges.

[oak osprey]

#🔧｜finetune better than this shit-show for asking for help with that 😄

[foggy jay]

Of course, as I have pointed out, merges produce great results, although you have to differentiate them from those that only mix, those that also retrain the model with new images.

[oak osprey]

why? good results are good results, gatekeeping is weird

[foggy jay]

Well, it's simple, when you look at a family photo of the models that have only been mixed, you begin to see very similar poses and images... a clear poverty in the phenotype to express it in another way... new images must be introduced.

[weak sage]

merging two models together doesn't make a new model that's good at something neither of its ancestors were good at, okay

[oak osprey]

why do you have to try to be provocative

looks like a pretty young girl you're genning topless photos of?

weird, man

[foggy jay]

Do you consider that I am the provocative one? LOL dude wake up...

lol

[oak osprey]

it is illegal in most of the world, i'm pretty sure

[wispy spindle]

We have server rules here where we dont allow nsfw on the server. The rules are here #✍🏼｜rules-and-tos

Circumventing filter to still post your image of a naked girl breaks this rule as well

[foggy jay]

@wispy spindle no weapons fruit?

[wispy spindle]

Nsfw on the server is described in the channel I linked you

[oak osprey]

i don't know for sure but if you're posting weapons that are aimed at the viewer repeatedly that's a bit different than just posting a character of someone holding a weapon

[weak sage]

take it up with your government, not discord moderators, they have no choice here

[foggy jay]

I never posted a naked girl, I think you are dreaming, a posted a armed girl

[oak osprey]

don't gaslight the mods lol

[wispy spindle]

Silly me.

[foggy jay]

this gir is naked, seriusly?

[oak osprey]

and like, 14

[wispy spindle]

Sure is.
Read up on the rules while you're gone.
Thanks

[weak sage]

i respectfully disagree regarding the character's likely age

[oak osprey]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ETm8xqrs7w7xS

[oak osprey]

i was never good at telling someone's age which is why when they look 14 to me i just assume they are 🙃

[wispy spindle]

Looks like a teen to me tbh

[oak osprey]

even with clothes on i honestly don't understand the fixation. or i do, and i don't want to 😬

a mistake is cool it's the pressing on and on that confuses me

[wispy spindle]

Regardless, I don't know exactly why everyone is fighting the big NSFW war today-- but we have rules on the server where we don't allow full on nudity. Please dont fight mods and make it a fight of morals, ethics, or freedom and be inflammatory about it. This is the server rules we abide by and are not personal attacks on anyone.

[weak sage]

in any case we post portraits with the clothes ON in this discord, like it or nay... at least with the SFW policy we don't have to police age estimations as much

[oak osprey]

i'm just glad i haven't accidentally posted anything anywhere it's not supposed to be. i have read some tragic tales of this

[oak osprey]

even with clothes on if they're in an overt position it's b&

[weak sage]

thank you fruit

[oak osprey]

ananimasu at risk of upsetting you or others i just wanted to point out that your pfp is like the ultimate irony vs how you conduct yourself

you're a swell person

that is not usually the type for that pfp 😄

[weak sage]

thanks 🙂

[oak osprey]

either that or everything is ironic and i'm a boomer who doesn't get the joke

[oak osprey]

Regardless, I don't know exactly why everyone is fighting the big NSFW war today
@wispy spindle i just double checked. mercury is in retrogatorade

[wispy spindle]

not agaiiiiiiin

[steel apex]

It's called having common sense no matter who you are 🙂

Or what you like 🙂

[dense tapir]

She must play for the Intergalactic Basketball League.

[steel apex]

This feels really familiar

[oak osprey]

so the img2img functionality of SDXL is so fucking cool @wispy spindle

have you played with it?

snoop dogg and lex luthor

yugioh version

using .6 denoising

[iron field]

My post was fully clothed but was removed. I'm not complaining, but also I don't know what will be ok in the future 🤷

[steel apex]

Reminds me of The Boondocks, was that your inspiration?

Nvm

[wispy spindle]

You posted a picture of a red haired girl in a red dress, right?

[weak sage]

did you learn nothing from the matrix

[wispy spindle]

Lolllllllllllllllllll

[wispy spindle]

oh u got researchers blessing i see
grats

[oak osprey]

yes yes

[weak sage]

how many VRAM you need for research

[oak osprey]

i just didn't use the right email to sign up 😛

[wispy spindle]

Begging era is OVER

[oak osprey]

i never begged

i nicely requested

[wispy spindle]

remember when you said you'd accept me as your leader

If i gave you access

[oak osprey]

that time has long passed

[wispy spindle]

I remember it like it were days ago

[oak osprey]

"you had your chance, fruit", our hero said, as he strode down into the volcano

that'd be a funny line to hear at the end of lord of the rings ngl

big pivotal moment

[sterile kiln]

this model looks great (im testing)

[oak osprey]

"fruit, it is only a matter of time, before you, and your powerful team are no longer having the grasp of ownership on this powerful machine. we will free this beast. and it will be free!" the crowd cheers with anticipation

[iron field]

Blonde but yeah

[wispy spindle]

Rage Against the Machine

[oak osprey]

bass guitar string snaps

[wispy spindle]

A subject can be fully clothed and still be considered NSFW. In your images case, her dress was so tight to her skin it left not much to the imagination, considering her nipples were hard and really obviously stated..so I deleted it

[oak osprey]

poggies

[wispy spindle]

Shoo

[oak osprey]

i think we've all established i have zero/little self-control

im sorry fruit, i mean no harm lol

[wispy spindle]

it's ok i am used to admin ab00z

[oak osprey]

in my day we called them SysOps

[weak sage]

over on the booru sites they call such quasi-booba "questionable" as opposed to "safe" or "explicit"

[wispy spindle]

i have learned a new term i wish i could unlearn

thank you

[oak osprey]

ananimasu is a compendium of knowledge on the spectrum of booba

[iron field]

Didn't even ask for them,SD pervy

[weak sage]

do badhands negatives even do anything

[oak osprey]

you mean the embed?

or just adding it to the neg

brooo not again 🥹 the nsfw train needs to stop choo-choo'ing

and her? after the photos leaked and everything? man, such disrespect

[weak sage]

the embeddings on civitai

[oak osprey]

i want to believe they do something

whether it works with a particular fine-tuned text encoder on any model is up for experiment

these vectors in those embeds are pretty specific to what it was trained on, so if you can find that model, it'll probably work better there

[weak sage]

all i can tell for sure is i see less hands in my images at all

[sterile kiln]

It's just a test (photon), a LoRA, a prompt. That's not what I call nsfw.

[oak osprey]

put it in your positive

good way to tell what it does is to ask for it

like on SD 2.1, nfixer going into the prompt makes the image all fucked n noisy, which is perfect, because it cleans up the images when it's in the negative

ohhh you know what would be sad

[lucid linden]

hey fellers

[oak osprey]

what if badhands removes all the bad hands from your model. but then there's no hands. because it has no good hands

[lucid linden]

im sure one of you can sort out an issue im having with a1111
dont think its major enough to warrant tech support

but it's aggravating

[oak osprey]

man i almost typed that channel name

you got in just under the wire with that

[weak sage]

there never were any good hands

[oak osprey]

dood that's what it is then.

[lucid linden]

this is a damn 1024x1024 image and its 90% rendered and the preview looks like PISH

the end result looks fine but the previews mid-render look awful in a recent update

[oak osprey]

you need a goodhands embed

put goodhands and badhands and let them fuckin fight each other

i need to see this

I NEED IT

[weak sage]

let them fight a thumb war

[oak osprey]

oh man that screwed my damn eyes up to look at that lmfao

why is it like that Jordan

😭

[lucid linden]

bro i dont have a scooby

its blurry as shit

[oak osprey]

it is

is it zoomed in?

[lucid linden]

nah its 100% zoomed

[oak osprey]

oh

i mean

that's just the preview tho

[weak sage]

looks fine if you like stylized stuff

[oak osprey]

my damn eyes

[lucid linden]

yeah but in prior versions of a1111

the live previews

were not blurry

[oak osprey]

hmmm i haven't updated and mine is old and when i ran that, it had blurry-ass live previews

[weak sage]

theres an option for better preview quality

[lucid linden]

2 secs

[oak osprey]

[lucid linden]

WTF

it looks fine now???

[oak osprey]

glad to solve it for you

[oak osprey]

"AI doesn't make you more creative"
yeah right who else could come up with fievel going bankrupt

[lucid linden]

me i couldve done it

[oak osprey]

but you didn't joy

i did

[lucid linden]

the manner in which im built is different

i would have done it in time

[oak osprey]

no, we've seen your final form

:|

it's done already

[lucid linden]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-23856371

[oak osprey]

you needn't do it

you can really feel the bankruptcy in this one

oh i thought the building was boarded up

[wispy spindle]

It is however what we'd call it
Please refrain from posting suggestive poses

[lucid linden]

anyway

any prompts or loras that consistently sort out hands

[dense tapir]

You make me afraid to post now. Is there something you would show me that you are saying is a suggestive pose?

[oak osprey]

think that's more of a textual inversion thing tbh

the text encoders are responsible for a lot of hand deformities

[lucid linden]

stop using sd to make anime waifus then

post cool stuff instead

[dense tapir]

You are new around here so I will let that pass because everyone around here knows how much I hate that shit.

I don't use SD to make imaginary lovers so I can rub one out over either.

[lucid linden]

cope

if you have to ask if your image is NSFW it probably is

[dense tapir]

oh, really? I think not as my definition of NSFW and that broad shit I just heard without anything to say this is a nono is vastly different. I see shit on here I let slide but I would consider NSFW and they apparently don't. SO, IOW, cope it,

yourself.

[lucid linden]

lmao

sneethe

[dense tapir]

Anyway I really have nothing to say to you since I was asking the mod you just sort of added your half a penny insight onto.

[lucid linden]

when this message gets through then my internet will have returned

testing

testing

123

ok internet is back

mech.

[oak osprey]

MECH

[wispy spindle]

The image was a girl in a dress with both of her legs spread out and open- crotch center in shot. That is why I called it a suggestive pose

[dense tapir]

Oh, ugh. :/ Yeah, waaaaaaaaay over the line.

LOL

[oak osprey]

shrek teaching lorem ipsum 101

POV: you have best teacher in world

[west tree]

I dunno, man. Fruit mommy's discipline earlier may have awakened something in me. I might have developed a taste for boots.

[wispy ether]

[oak osprey]

looks like watermarking might be fixed..

[wispy ether]

This is what deeplearning would have looked like 20 years ago

It was so dark

[reef field]

I like to upscale 😌

[boreal falcon]

bruh

[reef field]

Let's call it an easter egg!

[west tree]

NSFW capability is critical to proper anatomy, but I am mad critical of anyone who makes extensive use of it, particularly for deepfakes or super creepy shit, like weird teen or futa crap. I'm a bit of a hypocrite... I had an initial curiosity about NSFW possibilities, as I have a d*, but that was quickly satisfied. I don't understand how Unstable or, to a lesser extent, the Mage discord exists as a forum for people who recreationally make this their ply and trade.

[wispy nest]

Heya Bad, do you got any tips for fine tuning small details of generations?

[west tree]

Really think about what you want to see, and realize you're not going to get all of it. Prioritize weight accordingly.

[wispy nest]

Like if it looks really good and I want to keep it but it has a small annoying anomaly like say a malformed foot with fused toes or something. Or a distant character that's rather garbled.

[west tree]

Inpainting. Mage is excellent for inpainting, in some ways better than A11, or at least better for getting a mask.

[wispy nest]

Mage?