Sirin buffs

[thin torrent]

Sirin isn't in an amazing place. I don't think it's unplayable at all but compared to the other pacts def feels weak/limited.

Shrouded is a cool thematic passive though it doesn't add any combat benefit maybe add a dodge chance to it? Or enemies have a natural harder time aiming and hitting you scaling based on your points in it.

Pickpocket is great and feels like where a lot of the flavor comes from. It doesn't have huge combat benefit but since you can pickpocket health potions it's not useless for combat either.

Picktrix powder: this simply does not do as advertised the ability description claims that enemies you use it on will be vulnerable to sneak attacks but it's actually the opposite enemies become immune to sneak attacks while effected by picktrix powder. So I recommend fixing this bug.

Trick of the light: the clone taunt is insane inconsistent and it's damage and range feels that way too inconsistent as well. It's nice when it does work because unlike picktrix it actually does enable sneak attacks.

Glamour: a stealth ability is cool but this one is pretty limited and the only thing it really has is ability to be used in combat but you can be instantly knocked out of it. Also currently you can get a rune that is just glamour++ and you could us eit on a stronger pact like tethren or borimus. I'd recomend getting rid of some of it's limitations. Allow sprinting and jumping while glamoured. Give it an iframe when you cast it so you can't be instantly knocked out of it. And most importantly have it buff the damage of your next attack including sneak attacks/finishers (or just any attack so that it's not useless on enemies immune to sneak attacks).

On paper sirin wants to stack grace but the abilities don't benefit huge from it. Spirit is much more valuable. But even then. No stat really shines on this pact.

[serene quail]

I main Sirin, and I mostly only use it to avoid combat. Since I usually play solo, doing things in a round-about way to avoid fighting big groups of enemies is just my go to.

Honestly I only really use Shrouded when tracking friend(s) when the map stops showing them and Tale icons are blocking their compass icon.

Trick of the Light is very finicky, with enemies sometimes only going after the clone when the timer is almost up (meaning they aren't close enough to be damaged).

Glamour is nice for opening chests or stealing plans for Faction Tales, but that's if you're avoiding combat.

TLDR: Sirin is great if you're trying to avoid or delay enemies, but agreed that it isn't quite so great for actual combat use.

[nocturne jackal]

I disagree with pickpocket being great. The only time pickpocket is relevant is when DE has added a new shitty farm for a new item. Like the Thawtide gear. It was way faster to complete that grind if you Pickpocket farmed it. Hilariously faster. That’s not a good thing.

We should not have loot abilities in this game. It’s already too late for Warframe, but DE has an opportunity to not make the same mistake in Soulframe.

[safe hamlet]

Sirin is strictly a loot farming pact in my eyes. Pickpocket for extra loot, backstab, and be on your way

[dawn dagger]

Sirins 1 is easily the biggest issue imo. It just straight up doesn't work. It either needs to be fixed or have the description change to say it is just a cc.

After that, I do agree that pickpocket isnt great for the game and should be removed, with the drop rates being adjusted to somewhere between current and current with pickpocket to compensate

[nocturne jackal]

Like the one thing in this game that Sirin does well in this game is the “Steal Intel” step in faction tales, because you can use glamour to go up to the guy carrying the scroll, yoink it, and be on your way. That’s it. That’s the ONE thing Sirin can do.

[magic token]

I think that Sirin is good for crowd control has 2 abilities for it, and a 3rd one to disengage and avoid getting hit and since it is grace the range will increase affecting more enemies.

BUT there is no need for that in the current game 😅

And the pacts which are more rewarded is for doing more damage. So unless some core game modes change and require variety in roles we are better changing all pacts to dps. And compete to see if 3 Oscelda can run all Cogah bosses before 3 Tethrens

[spice moat]

where comparison?

[bitter plover]

Pickpocket should not do fragments and that'd fix the issues. Being able to steal potions give sirin much needed survival, starting a combat by looting all the enemies and leaving a bunch of potions everywhere allows you to potion heal much more often. Oscelda has elderbloom and tethren heals on kills so I think Pickpocket for potions is clutch.

Picktrix podwer used to open up all for backstabs and do some solid damage, especially with courage investment.

Trick of the light used to agro very hard and open up all distracted to finishers.

And can we ditch big head, it sucks and doesnt fit thr game at all. I wouldn't mind it if it appeared 1-5% of the time, but the novelty wears off when its every time.

Shrouded just really needs to be better, I like the flavor but increase the radius by a lot.

[sharp spade]

Remove everything except potions from pickpocket drops, buff other 2 abilities - easy fix

[pallid mango]

+1

[slender oracle]

Personaly I do feel that Serin needs to change because it is weak my recommendation is the following,

Passive 1: preforming a sneak attack does 2x damage when leveling it up it goes to 3x then 4x.

Passive 2: sirin gets less agro to them, such as harder to detect and easy to get away.

Pitrix powder its fine on paper just fix it.

Trick of the light, remove the big head and make the damage scale with courage and range scale with grace so with enough points can be a add clear bomb.

The butterfly ability just replace it with you teleport behind the enamy your looking at and automatically assassinate them.

[magic token]

Nope, a ability that 1 shot enemies for the butterflies too broken for this kind of paced game and also basically what is being proposed is just a copy of Ash.

Lets bring new things to the game and not just copy everything from Warframe.

[slender oracle]

The butterfly ability also 1 shots level 50, it litraly would be instead of floating around to kill the one enamy just click and done its one enemy, when you have alot of alternatives ingame that can kill mass groups and do upto 5k damage in one hit.

[magic token]

Yeah but those number are by things busted like Torrent, Tethren and Flintsmoke the rest of the game can't balanced based on those since that isn't the style of the game when we have 3 enemies per camp. And yeah the butterfly 1 shot lvl 50 enemies so it is good but is slow and can be knocked out of it, so it requires skill and is not press a button and kill everything skill.

And I agre with making it move faster and that it scales with grace could help the ability, but no need to make it broken

[slender oracle]

I personally just dont like it, or even make the ability a weaker flint smoke or torrent and remove the runes, this will also make siren the archer assassin instead of my pet hate Tetheren, but yet it is hard to say what to change due to the mid and endgame not being in yet

[serene quail]

I honestly like using the butterfly to be a sneak thief. Makes my loot goblin heart happy.

[tawdry hill]

I love how sirin has an invisibility ability and you could tell DE was being very cautious with invisibility, since invisibility trivializes so much content in Warframe. They made glamour very restrained, no running, no jumping, locked into walk speed. Then they made flitsmoke… incredibly powerful, trivializing and no restraints 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[bitter plover]

You can dash/dodge with glamor for a speed boost btw.

[tawdry hill]

Ok you dash/ dodge in glamour and attack a single target. I’ll sprint, jump over obstacles and kill everything while never leaving flitsmoke. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[humble herald]

Glamour is genuinely useless. If I try to dodge, it breaks. If I try to jump, it breaks. If I try to sprint, it breaks. If I take any damage or any stagger in any way whatsoever, it breaks. Even if I miss and it doesn't even do an assassination, it breaks.

I just find it really frustrating the way it is right now.

I definitely get the strength of the flitsmoke, but at the same time, it does in fact only work on ode and may require multiple assassinations, especially in parties. Oh right, which is another reason that Glamour is useless.

For now Torrent is more powerful because of the exploit that it triggers on arrow hail.

Also, please don't forget that I am assuming you are meaning level 50s from the thawtide event. They are very weak and have basically no armor.

[novel basalt]

One of the most baffling things about Sirin is that despite being touted as the "archer pact," it doesn't have a single ability or passive that makes it better with bows. And despite obviously being themed around stealth, it has little to no synergy with that playstyle. Like you said, picktrix powder actually prevents stealth finishers, and the fact that you can spam it every few seconds and it works in combat makes Sirin more of a CC/debuff pact than anything. You can definitely have a fun and effective archery/stealth build on Sirin with torrent and flintsmoke, but despite feeling very on brand for the pact, that build would actually be much better on Tethren (like most builds are rn). Just give Sirin exclusive access to something stealth or archery related. This would be like if Tethren was no better than the other pacts at dealing melee damage or Oscelda was no better at healing. Sirin's identity just isn't reflected in its kit rn.

[keen sage]

+1 on all of the above. I love Sirin (because of its fantasy) and use it as much as I can, but I'll admit it does not feel very archery.

I am either just having fun in Glamour to double-loot, or I am spamming 1 & 2 and AoE archery which is... not that fun.

I'd love something that encourages me to actually properly aim with my bow more often.

[glad epoch]

I stopped using sirin solely because they made the decoy a bobblehead, lol.

[sudden escarp]

I agree mostly with this, pickpocket only serves a purpose when the player needs loot from a specific enemy. If the player has everything then it is useless.
As for Shrouded, why does this passive even exist??
I would rather it make you foot steps quieter and increase dodge window.

You get booted out of Glamour all of the time and enemies that are already committed to an attack will still lock in on you and boot you from it. I feel like you should be intangible to attacks with exception to magik.

And Picktrix is great for CC but it is littered with bugs. Can't finisher the enemies, enemies will still block, they are stagger immune so they won't knock down, and opening them to finishers by breaking stagger still won't allow you to finisher them.

Trick of Light has less agro than the player but the only way to finisher those enemies is if they are agro'd onto the clone. So, the only way to use finishers with it anymore is by using Picktrix to unagro yourself from enemies.

And as said, the only stat worthwhile on Sirin is Spirit, with a minor attribute to courage if you're using Trick of Light. If finishing an enemy afflicted by Picktrix caused AOE damage with falloff then it would be worth while investing in other stats.

[sudden escarp]

real

[bitter plover]

Just want to say that pickpocket works for potions. Using glamor to steal from every enemy in a camp before you fight is wise so there are extra potions when you need them.

[bitter plover]

Dodge does not break glamor. You can mash it for a speed boost

[humble herald]

It does for me because sprint is hold and dodge is tap.

My fault but still crazy that the tiniest amount of sprint breaks it

[bitter plover]

While I mostly agree that sirin is dirt with bows, whe. Trick of the light actually worked its great for grouping enemies for a arrow hail, and pixttix powder is good for sniping headshots as enemies stand still.

[bitter plover]

Is that a special keybind? I play on controller and sprint and dodge are different buttons. I just mash B to zip around in bug mode

[humble herald]

Yes, it's my mouse and keyboard layout. I also forgot to mention that Glamour is a negative synergy with flitsmoke. It will not only break your invisibility, but prevent you from going invisible again at all until the rune runs out.

[thin torrent]

pickpocket almost always steals health potions which is pretty huge in itself.

[thin torrent]

I like turning into a butterfly so I do not want it to be a single one and done and automatically assasinates them would make it a dead ability on bosses.

[slender oracle]

Just to clarify not bosses, mainly trash adds doing up to 500 damage which is the same as it is now

[thin torrent]

that's what I mean, it would be a dead ability on bosses cuz it does nothing. It's already a problem with orengal we don'tneed more abilities like that.

[slender oracle]

We don't need anything to be good at bosses, im my opinion bosses should be hard and take time, be a reason to bring a whole team not just a tetheran with a spoon, all abilitys on siren and most abilitys on most pacts are useless on bosses

Also as the passives suggest it will be still good at bosses as a whole just promoting stealth and strategic shots with a bow, its literally what we have now just that you skip the flying part and just get to the kill, like pickpocket is not good because you kill the enemies and get the same loot, its only good at the start of the game but once you have a decent amount you no longer need it

[thin torrent]

not "good". I don't want bosses to be cheesed with abilities. I want abilities to WORK on bosses. All abilities should work on bosses even if it's a reduced effect. Orengal werewalker is currently the only ability that is completely ineffective on bosses and that alone is a mistake. we don't needmoreof that.

[slender oracle]

Does all of siren abilities not work on most bosses?

[thin torrent]

they all work. 1 works with reduced duration, 2 works about as inconsistently on any money, and the stealth works on bosses but the sneak attack it enables does not.

unless the boss can be sneak attack

[slender oracle]

Intresting, maby the pitrix powder only lasts 1 second

[thin torrent]

it's veyr useful for interupting annoying attacks

[slender oracle]

Whats your opinion on buffing the speed on the butterfly or make it on the same level as flint smoke

Its annoying that some enemy's can simply walk away from you and your not fast enough to get there

[thin torrent]

making it as strong as flintsmoke might be bad but I think it should be stronger than flintsmoke so flintsmoke needs a huge nerf it is basically perma invisibility. I do think you should not only be able to sprint and jump but probably run faster and be immune to direct damage (but not aoe) but get like 0.5-1 second iframe when you first cast it.

I also think adding sneak attack to ALL enemies would be beneficial even if boss enemies take reduced damage.

[slender oracle]

What do you think of the passives i put? Thats the main thing I want changing because shrouded has no place

[thin torrent]

shrouded is cool but just that cool. I think it should also give us a passive dodge or make us harder to aim at/attack so it has a combat useage. I actually like the pickpocket theme a lot but maybe make it so you can't get frags that way and ensure that at least one health potion drops so it becomes a survability functins

[sudden escarp]

Yeah, just tried this for coga recently, I will give it that at least.

[bitter plover]

Tethren heals from kills, oscelda has an incredible healing skill, sirin needs to be the potion thief, its the only form of healing they have other than sympathy. Imo potions should be a gaurenteed drop from pickpocket and fragments shouldn't be in the pickpocket pool.

[thin torrent]

agreed

[slender oracle]

But sympathy and life steal is enough to stay at max health

[sudden escarp]

I would say the benefit would be more useful if it weren't for it only working on unalerted enemies.

[bitter plover]

Every pact has access to sympathy and it only works on smites. I think the 3 starters should each have built into their kit a form of healing.

[slender oracle]

I generally never use my potions due to i am usually on full health or die instantly by 4 granades thrown at me by 2 enamys

[bitter plover]

I prioritize magic defense, grenades do nothing.

[slender oracle]

Yeh but i don't have the armour yet

[thin torrent]

if it procs. health potions are still useful

[slender oracle]

And coger is not nice 4 hrs in

[thin torrent]

agreed it should always steal health potions

[bitter plover]

Lol yeah hard.mode is rough if you only have 4 hours of play. Totems give really good armor

[slender oracle]

No as in doing 6 ish boss runs, I have way more than 4 hrs

[bitter plover]

It used to, you could just be near an enemy and they'd start dropping stuff, no stealth no problem, you'd have to be by then for like 5 seconds though

[thin torrent]

just reset cogah. one cogah run gives you enough argaric to make a new potions

[slender oracle]

It speeds up with more points into it, i found in the time I stab them with flint smoke a second time it drops 2 to 3 items this is just touching them for a second

[slender oracle]

Its the honey, besides I don't need to do it now

[thin torrent]

I just pick up 10 when I am in that boss cluster durring every run. It's just 3-4 trees and you always go in the area

[split wren]

Sirin should be nerfd mate xD

[thin torrent]

buffed*

ftfy

[serene quail]

I don't know if this is anyone else's experience, but I do find I (playing Sirin) am less visible to unalerted enemies than my friends playing the other starters, even when running.
So there does seem to be some extra stealth.

[thin torrent]

other then pickpocket sirin has nothing that other pacts don't do better. CC? any frame with cc has better cc. a summon that taunts and deal damage? Orengal's is better. invis? any frame can just use that invis rune for perma invis. So other then farming frags with pickpocket is one of the weakest pacts in the game. Particularly on bosses. The only thing sirin has for bosses is the 1 has a very short cd and while it's stunduration is low it can interupt boss attacks which is useful but with cogah increasing cd considerably it's still not as impactful as saw ocelda's stun which also gives a huge damage multiplier

[magic token]

Just finished a full Cogah run with 2 sirin players (player ranks 4 and 7) no flintsmoke and no torrent, just Alcas and me with Oscelda (broken heals btw). Just hails with slowing and amor strip totems plus the splinter arrows raising the stagger bar the bosses were unable to even move. Add to that back to back powder for stuns, decoys for dps/aggro and finishers with the butterflies. We didn't die even once the "hard" mode and pretty much was not much different from normal, playing with 2 relatively new players with starting gear.

So I don't get the weak part about the pact, like I mention in the post is weak if the bar is set by Tethren.

Maybe is weak refers to being harder to solo Cogah but even that is possible

Another trick is to manage the abilities cooldown better by going into butterfly while they recharge and do the finisher seconds before it runs out. If you alternate between them pretty much always have the abilities available.

[slender oracle]

So i have thought more about this and my opinion has changed from last time,

So shrouded needs to be replaced since seeing enamys through walls yes is a cool idea but is one of the least picked passives in the game and we could have something better tbh, not only that but it dosent appear to work effectively with all points put into it, you need to be close and be looking at them for them to glow, this could be replaced with maby a damage modifier if your undetected such as 2x damage e.g Could be level 1 is 0.5x then 1.0x, 1.5x and maxed out 2x which will mean we will have a combat passive and a none combat passive bringing it inline with other pacts,

Trix powder they just need to make it so you can do finishers on those effected, I hate to say this too but slow down the cool down the fact you get it back before it's over is insane but the trade off is you can make it last longer with spirit.

The decoy, please remove its goofy head, other than that make it scale with the virtues better such as courage increases the damage ect and make it get the agro more consistently,

Butterfly, keep it just make it so you can move at a decent speed since the current speed means enamys can walk away from you, and with the sneak bonus will also make it stronger for higher level enamys.

All this will buff sirin but keep the pace of the game and will bring it in line with all the other pacts, sirin is good just one passive is useless and alot of mechanics with it is broken, as for viruses scaling I assume that is in the next patch

[thin torrent]

yeah but everything is cheese in co op because things dont' scale harder withmore players

Sirin is weak if the bar is set by oscelda or rood

[thin torrent]

tbph seeing enemies through walls and highlighting them could just be an envoy power for all pact that'd be cool

[magic token]

You can go faster as the butterfly just learned recently and is pretty good just dodge while flying

[magic token]

Same thing as solo you can rotate between the 3 abilities with 0 cooldown pretty much if timed perfectly, and since you can finish most of the bosses in that context butterfly is pretty good,the 1st solo a cogah I saw was a Sirin.

[slender oracle]

I see it being useful for finding team mates and faction reps so yeh could be for all envoys

[slender oracle]

It would be good if it was default run speed since most players including me dont know about the roll

[magic token]

Yeah that part don't make sense to do the boost with dodge and not sprint which is why majority me included didn't knew about it 😑. But yeah try It changes a lot the ability and makes it more viable to repotionate and to make finishers easier.

[slender oracle]

Yeh what do you think of the passives idea in my rant, I do feel that it will stick to the theam and also when you do a finisher they just don't turn around and slap you because you did not do enough damage

[unkempt shell]

My thoughts- The blind feels like its missing a bonus to next hit damage. I want to trade places with the decoy ala Loki teleport. And the butterfly move needs to move faster, but its pretty useless vs non-human opponents, due to no sneak attack animations.

[trim wraith]

Whatever else happens with sirin, pickpocket badly needs to go away.

[thin torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

but I would be okay with removing frag drops from it and increase the chance of extracting hp potions

[trim wraith]

Sorry, but yes. If Sirin is worth running for pickpocket, that's just the canary in the coal mine that a farm is dogshit.

It also eventually leads to the Nekros problem where it's just not even allowed to work on some resources.

Thawtide is ingame right now literally proving this point lol

It is infinitely faster with Sirin which tells you the drop rates are terrible.

[thin torrent]

maybe read what I said. It shouldn't drop frags. and other resources are so plentiful it's not a big deal. It's a huge part of the fantasy for sirin and I'd rather it not go away.

[trim wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[thin torrent]

well if you aren't going to read what I have to say there is no conversation to be had. Have a good day I guess.

[trim wraith]

Can say the same of you, see ya. 🤷‍♂️

[thin torrent]

all I can do is pray they don't ruin another pacts fantasy.

it's bad enough the TEMPEST pact does no voltiac damage.

sorry if I am being kind of a b-word today I guess I wokke up on the wrong side of the bed. Disagreements are possible without getting heated 😅

[trim wraith]

Sorry as well, perhaps the gifs were the wrong way to go

I did read what you said fwiw and it sounds like functionally getting rid of pickpocket tbf

The frag farms are what I was saying is the issue

[thin torrent]

not really it'd give you some extra common drops but it should MOSTLY be used for health potion imho as one of the ways to help sirin heal.

[thin torrent]

agreed

I could also see a "deeper pockets" passive that lets sirin have up to 7 health potions instead of 5 as well. that'd be better than shrouded which has no combat purpose and is kinda meh out of combat passive

[trim wraith]

But that said, I would want something a lil better for Sirin than just extra resources that are already plentiful as you said

Nor do I want to incentivize devs to make them un-plentiful just because sirin could get extra

[thin torrent]

I think for me health potions are so useful and it's like the only reason to bring sirin instead of another frame in cogah. so if you also gave him higher potion limit stealing potions is even more useful

[thin torrent]

true, good point. I do 100% think shouldn't drop frags.

[hallow rampart]

Sirin is not weak

What is this about

At the low levels yes like everything else

But once you go over level 20 with sirin you a god

Nothijg can remotely hope to touch you

U go stealth and pull extra loot from enemies

Execute enemies from stealth

Stun

Use bunnies to draw attention which opens enemies for executes

[thin torrent]

bunnies huh?

[hallow rampart]

Dummies

[thin torrent]

But yeah if you are fighting low level stuff sirin is good and fun

[hallow rampart]

Autoincorrect.exe

[hallow rampart]

Level 34+

Ez

1 shot

Straight up onetap just about any enemy with executes

Even tier 3 barrenets get 3 tappped

[thin torrent]

but sirin doesn't do much against bosses. some bosses see through invis, the taunt from 2 is inconsistent. 1 doesn't enable sneak attack and most bosses are immune to sneak attacks. and 1 is by far their best ability a stunw ith a short cd but only lasts liek a second on bosses but is useful for interupting annoying abilities

[thin torrent]

you only get 2 executes if you play right. the sneak in one (if you don't butterfly in) and then another if you butterfly assuming you aren't instantly knocked out of it as you usually are in big group fights because enemies will sitll attack you for the first 0.5 seconds of it.

[hallow rampart]

Ok what part of this is in any way shape or form waranting of a block

[thin torrent]

and 2 technically allows for sneak attack but rarely in practice as the taunt is inconsistent and the duration is short

but I am not even asking for damage buffs for the most part.

[hallow rampart]

3

[thin torrent]

If you had read my recommendations/suggestions it's mostly bug fixes QoL changes

[thin torrent]

if you get a grace smite sure

[hallow rampart]

I roll backwards to create distance and immediately sprint forwards to execute

Tho the way that taunt works could be reworked sp that I dont need to change my ip address for the enemies to pay attention to my 2

[thin torrent]

this is my post. I don't find any of these to be unreasonable. Make shrouded have a combat purpose. fix bugs/inconsistencies. and make glamour less clunky by allowing full/normal movement.

[hallow rampart]

Stealth...execute from behind....use her 2 to distract..execute again...stun them with the 1 to hit them a couple times before Stealth unlocks again...execute 1 last time

[thin torrent]

yeah the 2 sneak attack almost never happens and again keep in mind almost none of this works on bosses.

also sirin is a guy fwiw

[hallow rampart]

But on boses I can just use a shield and trow it and knock them down and execute them while they are on the floor

[thin torrent]

right... but we're talking about pacts, not weapons.

All pacts should do something to bosses and not rely on weapons.

[hallow rampart]

Kinda like this

[thin torrent]

wow you'r emore naked then me

[hallow rampart]

Lmao

[thin torrent]

anyways that's what I do on bromius in cogah cuz bro has a lot of neat passives and doesn't rely on active abilities as hard.

but sirin's passives just don't do anything in combat

[hallow rampart]

Stealth....loot

[thin torrent]

regardless if you read my op none of my suggestions are unreasonable.

[thin torrent]

does not work in combat

pickpocket does not work on alerted enemies

[hallow rampart]

That could be changed ngl

[hallow rampart]

Not always i do have a sense of fashion

SOMETIMES

Im trying to level up bromius

And mf...3 armies

Sirin would be awsome there

[thin torrent]

you kinda fubar'd your 2. You could've grouped them up hard and then crashed on them

[hallow rampart]

At low level the 1 doesn't do jack squat

I only used it to break them up cus they were surrounding me leaving me with no space to not die

[thin torrent]

it's based off your armor. but still would've been good to aim your 2 in a way to group them all up. ESPECIALLY if you have fire rune and proc it as that will just aoe nuke them down hard

[hallow rampart]

Rank 7 or 8

It wasnt gonna do a whole lot as you saw

Bromious got nerfed recently...massively

It doesnt 1 tap boses anymore with minimal effort

It doesn't even 1 tap normal enemies with max level pact and full courage

[hallow rampart]

Yes with the 3 active

[thin torrent]

I never played him pre nerf. He's my fav in cogah by far.

[thin torrent]

no one should do that and tethren nerfs ar einevitable

[hallow rampart]

Try him again

[thin torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[thin torrent]

??? he's been nerfed since yesterday?

Bro is meant to be a tank pact. No one should be one shotting bosses but least of all the tanky pacts

[hallow rampart]

Hm....no

Couple days

[thin torrent]

where you find the patch notes?

[hallow rampart]

It was one of the suggestions

And the op confirmed it had being changed

I trust them since they had a fully leveled and upgraded bromious

[thin torrent]

huh? please post the link

I have no idea what you're saying

[hallow rampart]

Uh...hold on

Seems it was taken down

https://discord.com/channels/998758139405029478/1446580376268181566

[hallow rampart]

Found it

[thin torrent]

the oldest of that is from before I even got bromius so I've been playing him exclusively post nerf

[hallow rampart]

lmao

[thin torrent]

???

[hallow rampart]

just funny that youv only ever had the enrfed version

adn i thought u played it before the nerf

[thin torrent]

ah, I enjoy him a lot even post nerf. idk what pre nerf was like but he's my go-to for cogah Iw ouldn't mind reduced damage a bit more for increase tankiness.

[hallow rampart]

It was broken