#Founder Flower Rework

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spare cloud
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This is going to be quite controversial, and I doubt it would happen but it’s something that maybe DE could think about if it becomes a popular idea…

I’ve heard from many people that the Eternium Gardens get full too quickly because of people who plant all 4 flowers (me included) and it takes away from new founders who are going to buy the pack and want to place a flower. And I’ve also noticed we are close to almost 300 different Garden Servers.

This is my thoughts and solution… I agree that seeing 4 flowers in a row is quite rough. Especially in all of the gardens that were there on the 25th. My proposal is that every person who got/gets a flower can only have 1 plot, and if you buy more than one pack or the Paragon, you’re able to go back and cycle through flowers at your plot.

For those that have all 4 (or 5 if cursed) flowers planted, your spot would be the first flower you planted, and then you can cycle through on that plot. If you just bought one pack, then you just see your one flower, and if you get more, an option to swap flowers becomes available. This opens up new plots for people that bought the packs on day 1 but had to wait cause of all the issues that occurred, and allows new founders to not feel like they have to scroll a mile to see/plant their flower.

I know Steve was thinking about possibly adding a system where you could go and watering your flower and gaining a buff from it. Maybe the buff could be flower specific (besides cursed), can only be used once, has a daily cooldown, and the cooldown applies to all flowers. I think it gives a reason to go back to your flower and interact with it on a daily basis, and a reason to switch through different flowers depending on your needs or wants at the time.

My thoughts is that this would allow DE to cut back on how many Garden servers they have to run, as well as create, as more people get founders throughout the coming months, and when it releases on consoles.

But there are also a couple issues I see doing this as well though…

  1. Cut off server to begin with. This raises the issue that A LOT of people would have to replant their flower. Which I know many people wouldn’t want to do. But would it be worth it if it means you don’t have to scroll so far, and you get a spot that feels closer to a release day garden rather than garden 263?

  2. The date of the flower planting for people who have to replant. I would assume you could tie the flower date to the day of purchase of the founders pack, but it’s a large assumption as I don’t know who the system works.

But what are your thoughts? Obviously this isn’t what DE has to do, and I know there are lots of people that want all of there flowers next to each other, in a row. But just thoughts, ideas, and a solution that I came up with.

I also know they have FAR more things to worry about fixing and doing and this would take away time from hot fixes, and upcoming updates. This is definitely NOT priority #1 in anyway. But just thoughts.

shut vigil
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There was another long thread about this. In general I think the system is badly designed. The numbered instances have left a lot of people feeling bad about being so far down the list. I would like a rework of just random instances that you load into which Ch show your flowers and then a random selection. Potentially priority to friends flowers.

I say this as someone with flowers in stance 1 2 and 3. So not for my own benefit. But I really dislike all systems which leave some players feeling they missed out through no fault of their own. All founders should be equal. Not have a numbered hierarchy

spare cloud
onyx vault
spare cloud
onyx vault
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It's okay. The more feedback, the better 👍🏻

undone grove
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I appreciate your putting your thoughts forward on this issue OP! it does get controversial and sometimes quite uncivil at times 😅
but everyone deserves to have their thoughts heard and you were also proposing alternative implementation ideas :3
maybe it would help though if DE could have a way somehow to let us know about the issues they do have visibility on atm or at least planning on revisiting in the future or for a future hotfix imo

left moth
bronze vortex
left moth
storm heath
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honestly jsut the fact that instsances are how they are is a little much because odds are no one'll see em, once all the flowers are planted they should make a habit of shuffling the instance numbers

bronze vortex
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Combined with a static location in the garden to view your own flower(s) if you are a founder.

storm heath
shrewd cargo
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+1

bronze vortex
pine edge
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It probably won't happen, but I'd love if instead of the Eternity Gardens you could place them in Alca itself, like Dark Souls signs.

Of course I completely understand that it'll suddenly turn areas into fields of flowers in no time.

limber igloo
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Oh look it's this thread again.

storm heath
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I mean its a reasonable want. As it stands while the flowers are neat, the way they're displayed is pretty bada

north yarrow
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+1

left moth
spare cloud
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I’ve also read a bit of the other thread about this… and I’ve tried to come up with more ideas that we could all come together on possibly.

So I see back and forth comments about cycling through flowers, and whether they should be a bouquet or separate. - I think separate is a better choice, as each flower is pretty beautiful as it is, and I feel as though putting it into a bouquet would diminish the beauty of each one a bit. But that’s my opinion.

What about the idea of making 1, bigger Eternium Garden (which has been said before), with 50-100 flowers in a circle around a “tree of life,” or something, and those flowers cycle through ALL of the founders every 10 minutes or so. And the flower that appears in rotation is the one they planted (or changed to if they have multiple).

But, there is a special spot that allows you to always see your flower in the Garden no matter what. Maybe a hole in the center of the tree? Then when you plant/water your flower, the tree shines even more to life… I don’t know haha. But this also gives you the option of cycling through while in the Garden.

EVERYONE would have to replant, but if we have a certain spot that allows us to always see our personal flower. That spot itself can have its own blooming animation, and it occurs each time you water/change your flower. Giving a reason to go back.

As for a buff to specific flowers, I’ve been thinking about it and I feel like that would become a FOMO situation as well. Because if you don’t have a certain flower, you don’t get the buffs of another flower. Unless you water someone else’s flower that’s in the garden… which could be a great way of community interaction and knowing people actually saw your flower? But not too sure about it yet.

EDIT: I also like the idea of your flower being in the Nightfold somehow. That way, if you want to show future players/friends your specific flower and date, you can invite them to your nightfold and they can see it. Without having to wait for the rotation and having to guess when it comes up

undone grove
# spare cloud I’ve also read a bit of the other thread about this… and I’ve tried to come up w...

I like the idea of watering other's flowers in that garden idea you proposed, though personally I'm not sure about knowing whether other players actually seeing your flower. I think it'd be nice to just know your flowers are in the rotation somewhere.

and the idea of your own flower being planted in a tree's hollow is interesting, because the current world trees do already have a hollow in its trunk that you clear of gunk! I think it'd look cool to have a flower inside it compared to just a shiny thing :3

cedar helm
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+1 (cursed founder here)

coral glacier
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I share the opinion that all founders should be equal.

I have multiple flowers and yet am reluctant to plant them all, to let others have a spot too
I planted my favorite one in the earliest relay I could

And now I am sitting with the others not knowing if I want to plant them years later or on like my birthday or something

I feel it's not clearly explained what happens to the flowers you haven't planted when the program ends.

The "relay" for now is not used for anything. So it's essentially like you said a founder hierarchy.
Who was there first type of deal

The founder names in wf relay take a while to appear since the order is alphabetical, you could wait for yours forever

I think the idea of adding a new relay where flowers are on cycles is a good idea, and keeping the system we have now as a separate (secret) location you can access to see the gardens as they are

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So for that big relay with centralized founder flowers near a fountain or some other landmark..
Say we have a 30 player maximum capacity for the relay.
And so we can have 30 flower spots, an assortment of random founder flowers, that change every day.

But when a founder joins a relay one of the flowers is replaced by one of theirs, and as long as the founder is in the instance the flower has some fantasy effects and particles.
So for example when a big update comes out, and founders join the relays, the landmark will be glowing like crazy with all the energies

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And so maybe the founder can approach and swap the flower to another one they own. This way founders can mix and match flower order, colors, a/symmetry as they do now.
More gameplay, social, but still gameplay.
I believe something like this to be more valuable to founders as a whole.
More valuable than a "I was there before you funny founder" situation. It will still be there, just not as the only appeal

left moth
# spare cloud I’ve also read a bit of the other thread about this… and I’ve tried to come up w...

I believe it would be a great idea to add a "world tree" with the only plot inside where flowers can be planted (kind of a single station where you could swap your flower if you have more than one) that looks like/similar to the one you have in your nightfold from the beginning.
The flowers in the eternium garden itself would be rotated/cycled through (perhaps with glowing/blooming animations) so everybodies flower will show up from time to time and we all could feel equal.
If you are in a squad all of you will see the flower from the host in said world tree plot in order to show it without having to search or going to instance-xyz.
In addition it would be great if you could water the flower sitting in the world tree plot for a buff and to avoid fomo for those who do not have any/certain/all flowers you could ask somebody to host and let you join them in order to water their flower to get said buff which would add another little friendly social interaction.

deft axle
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Yeah I have no idea why they let us plant flowers up to 4 times, that feels... unplanned, to be honest. You only need the ONE flower. It took me 3 hours to find a plot I could use, no joke. Its kind of absurd. Consolidating the flowers would also make it much easier for people to browse the gardens in the first place

mystic basalt
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+1

Particularly, I love the idea of one big garden/relay, but like this:

Let's assume one instance equals 100 players, so we have 100 plots where Founder's flowers cycle randomly.

Now, when a Founder enters the relay, one of the plots, randomly again, changes to the Founder’s flowers. Where the Founder can interact to change the type of flower, and if the Founder hasn’t planted yet, the plot will remain open for planting even after the prelude ending.

Finally, we shouldn't have a date of planting, just the name is enough. Because as a Founder, we’re all the same!

prisma dirge
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+1